David Weiss & Matt Long - Flat Earth Advocates and Crypto Innovators - The Brandon Davis Show

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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(00:25):
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
Ladies and gentlemen, joining me today are two of
some very prominent voices inthe Flat Earth community.
You guys know David Weiss,known for his absolute passion
and advocacy, compellingarguments on his Flat Earth Sun,
moon and Zodiac Clock app onthe App Store, by the way.

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And we've got Matt Long as well.
Content creator.
Flat Earth advocate.
Excited to have a conversationwith these gentlemen.
Flat Earth Advocate.
Excited to have a conversationwith these gentlemen.
Now we're going to exploreeverything from the origins of
their beliefs to the evidencethat they find most convincing

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and, additionally, the questionsthat they think everyone should
be asking.
And this isn't just aboutwhether the Earth is round, it's
not about if the earth is flat.
It's about questioning thenarratives that we've been
taught.
And we're going to explore thedepths, with these gentlemen, of
what we actually believe to betrue.

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Or you're just curious aboutwhat drives this movement?
Stick around, this is going tobe eye-opening.
This is going to be a coolstream, and I know that there's
some of you that say, brandon,what the hell are you doing?
And, quite frankly, I don'tcare what you think.
I will talk to anybody that Iwant to talk to, and I'm excited

(01:58):
to talk to these gentlemen,let's go ahead and bring these
guys up here.
Make sure they're unmuted first.
What's up?
Oh, hold on, we got three.
Hold on, I gotta do this.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Right there it is, hey wait before, before you tune
out, before the people that aretuning out tuning out three
bitcoins.
If you can come up with oneglobe proof, when we're done,
all you got to do is send oneglobe proof to me and you win
three bitcoins.
Stick around.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Love it, love it.
And how long have you had thatchallenge?

Speaker 3 (02:29):
now it's been over five years, maybe six, six years
, yeah, and it was.
It was.
It was one Bitcoin, and thenBitcoin crashed whenever it
crashed, so I upped it to threeand now we're back up.
What are we at?
60.
And and so, but it's still atthree.
You know, and because this is acrypto hex, loving pulse chain,

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loving community, for yourviewers, if they say, when they
give me their globe proof thatthey're a fan I know you don't
like fans, but if they tell methey're a fan, which is against
your policy, they get sixbitcoins just for you.
Wow, that's impressive.
They will also get banned fromthe channel for life you also
get banned if you say you're afan, right?

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Yes, you guys know that already.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
So yeah, they know, do not like comment subscribe.
Yeah, don't, okay, guys.
Um, uh, all right, I'll startwith you, dave.
Um, let me give some backgroundhere.
When I first started streaming,I had unbeknownst to me.
I had quite a few flat earthersin my chat, okay, and this was

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kind of like the cryptocommunity, hex and PulseChain,
and I started getting someinquiries.
They said, hey, you shouldreally stream with David Weiss.
And I said who is this guy?
Who's flat ear Earth, dave here, and what was interesting about
it was they started baiting mewith very controversial
questions while I was streaming,and they know that I'll answer.

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I didn't realize it, but Davehere was, and whoever's in
charge of his social media?
They're clipping these answersthat I was making and he's
hyping his crew up.
He's like we're streaming withthis guy.
Next week we're gonna chew himup and spit him out no, we're
not, we're gonna.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
We're gonna.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
We're gonna softly teach you the truth and bring
you to the light from the darkwell, and so what was
interesting about this, aboutthis stream, was I was like I
had the intention in my mind totruly listen to you and and
understand and learn.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
That's so.
That's how you become a flatearther.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
And it was the community man.
I've not seen a stronger onlinecommunity than the community
that you have.
It's absolutely insane.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Yeah, which is going to lead into the other thing
we're going to talk about today,which you haven't mentioned,
but the strength of ourcommunity is going to be insane.
It's going to be insane.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, we'll get into that right after these intros.
So, dave, kind of tell peoplewho you are, what you're all
about and why you're doing whatyou're doing here.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah.
So I grew up on the East Coast,went through college, corporate
America, I rose to the top ofthe companies that I worked for
and then I kind of left andstarted my own solar commercial
power development company withtwo partners and we were doing
incredibly well.
I was making more money than Iever thought I'd make and at the
same time, I was doing aconspiracy podcast looking into

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some things.
And people said, dave, you gotto look in the flat earth and,
just like any smart person, Isaid you're an idiot and I just
banned them for life.
You know, I'm not going to lookat your stupid video.
But then I was forced to lookby a researcher that I like very
much and I went in with a badattitude.
I wasn't like you, brandon.
I went in.
I said I'm just going to debunkthis shit and embarrass these
people and tell them to take ahike.

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And I tried and I tried.
That was 10 years ago and hereI am.
You know Flat Earth, dave.
I created this app.
These are the people that havemy app, which represent less
than 1% of the Flat Earthers.
Take a look, these are thepeople that have my app.
These are the people that knowthe earth is flat and all of
these people are waking up,people that are next to them.

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So this you know, soon we'renot gonna be able to see United
States at all.
Here's the UK.
I mean, this is a worldwidearound the world.
You know, you can make thatjoke if you like, just like
going around town, it's the samething.
They're all over the place.
So I realized and any of youthat are listening that have
never really looked into FlatEarth after your proofs are

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taken away, you know what aboutseason sunsets, airplanes,
everything you want to say.
After that's taken away, you'regoing to throw your hands up in
the air because you're smartand you're going to say well,
what difference does it make?
I still have to go to work onMonday.
Well, the truth is I don't haveto go to work on Monday.
That change and when.
This is the most importantsecret in the world, because

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when you unplug from theheliocentric satanic model, you
unplug from their matrix.
You know we have to get offtheir fiat currency.
We also have to get off theirplaying field and get back onto
the real playing field thatwe're on, and then we don't have
to abide by their rules.
So that's who I am.
I go out on a on podcasts.
I just did Roseanne bar.
I was on Alex Jones info wars.

(07:09):
I did Stu Peters and a 1300other interviews since 2021.
I've been, I've been all overthe place.
I got some other big interviewscoming up that I'm not going to
mention yet and you know, trump, trump, trump, trump, trump's
going to interview me next.
You know I'll do it.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Oh, that would make people's heads pop, that's for
sure.
Uh, dude, hey, thank you somuch, man, for hopping on here.
I appreciate you.
Uh, I'm excited about thisconversation here.
Uh, Matt, um, kind of tell,tell us who you are.
Um, you know, tell us yourbackground.
How'd you get interested inFlat Earth?
Sure?
What was the point that madeyou take it seriously?

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Talk to me about that too.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
Yeah, Normally I'm introduced in public settings as
Dave's friend, Matt Long.
Dave and I co-hosted the FlatEarth podcast for a number of
years.
We still co-host it and the bigjoke is we'll be coming out
with a new episode anytime.
Now it's just it was abi-yearly podcast, and now and
then yearly, and then now I'mnot sure, maybe.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
I think we're going to be coming out with one
actually within the next week,hopefully before September 11th.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
Yes, before September 11th we will ideally be coming
out with another one.
So I was just normal guylooking into things like the
Nephilim and I kind of became aChristian later in life.
I started reading the Biblelater in life and I was looking
into Genesis six, wheresupposedly angels come down from

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heaven and have children withearthly women, and it wasn't
something that I ever rememberedhearing about in Sunday school
or my pastor talking about inchurch and it was crazy.
And so I started like ingestingeverything that I could find on
it and I found a podcast or,excuse me, a YouTube video from
this guy who I'd been watching alot and I didn't look at the

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title of the interview and a lotof times you can't see the full
title of the video on YouTubeanyways.
So I start watching it and hestarts talking about flat earth,
which I thought was crazy.
But I had recently been lookinginto all kinds of stuff in the
Bible, whether it's like youngearth, creationism, age of the
earth, things like that Noah'sflood and alternative

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explanations as to what sciencetells us, geology tells us, and
things like that Noah's floodand alternative explanations as
to what science tells us,geology tells us, and things
like that, and he startedtalking about how you could
still circumnavigate the flatearth, how the United Nations
map was the map of the flatearth.
And then he started referencing.
Who was this?
What was?

Speaker 2 (09:40):
the name.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
It was a guy named Rob Skiba the late Rob Skiba and
he started referencing Biblescriptures and I was instantly
like smacked in the chest, likefelt like the hand of God
literally punching me, and Iimmediately felt like, oh man, I
am hearing truth and I don'tthink it hits everybody like
that, but I do feel like Godkind of gave me a flattery of

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ministry, kind of on thebiblical side, and so I feel
like he hit me harder with it.
But I spent the next two yearsinvestigating it, doing some
experiments of my own to try toprove to myself I wasn't crazy.
I then started putting outcontent on YouTube and other
platforms.
I met Dave.
We started doing the podcasttogether.
I wrote a book.
It's called the House thatJesus Built, the Biblical Shape

(10:23):
of the Earth, an IntelligentAlternative Design.
You can go to mattlongbookcomand it'll take you to the Amazon
link there, move on to otherthings.

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But I just feel like God keepspulling me back into this arena
and so I've recently rewrittenthat book to um.
Whereas before the previousversion was mostly to like a
Christian flat earther and likea tool for them to evangelize
with, now it's a book that couldreally be given to anybody
who's never even heard of thetopic.
It'll take you through 14logical reasons why it's okay to
doubt what we see on screensand in textbooks.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yeah, here's what's interesting.
A large swath of the flat earthcommunity ties in biblical
reasons for thinking that theearth is flat and also you hear
quite a bit about, like you evensaid, Dave, there's satanic
forces at play here.
So I found it interesting whenI got into this to understand

(11:33):
that that was also an angle.
It's like we seek the truth, wethink the truth is, the truth
is from God and God says thatthe earth is flat.
You see, like for me it was thebooks.
The book of Enoch, for example,was absolutely mind blowing and
wild to me.
Now you know I ask your guysopinion on that shortly here,

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but I found that interestingalways and have you guys shared
that experience to see otherfolks who believe in God kind of
tie this together with FlatEarth as well.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
Sure, yeah, I think from my perspective and love to
hear Dave's next.
But for me, when trying to tellpeople about Flat Earth, the
only thing worse than Christiansare pastors, because those are
the people that think they knowtheir scriptures and think outer
space is in their scriptures.
They also don't understand thatit is a salvational issue for

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someone who has never heard itbefore.
So someone who's a Christianand has their salvation.
In my opinion, flat earth isnot a salvational issue for them
.
But in my twenties, when Ididn't believe page one of the
Bible, thus I wouldn't read pagetwo, it was.
It was the heliocentricscientific model that was my
stumbling block.
Because of my university levelastronomy, physics and geology

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classes, page one of the Biblelooked like a fairy tale.
So there was no reason for meto read page two.
Jesus loves you wouldn't havedone anything for me because
there was no credibility behindit.
So when Romans talks aboutpeople can get to know God this
is Romans one 20, you can get toknow God through the things
that were made.
So if that's the case, if youcan get to know God through the

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creation, then in my opinion, ofcourse, there's going to be an
evil agenda to dilute what thatcreation is.
And the way you dilutesomething is you poured into
something bigger, like infinitespace, and teach people that
they're just insignificantprobabilities of an
ever-expanding, potentiallyinfinite universe.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
David, yeah, it went, once you see the flat earth.
So I was pretty much an atheistmy whole life and I'll tell you
this, the quick story of howthat happened.
Um, but then I found out aboutflat earth after trying to
debunk it and I, you know, Ilooked at the evidence.
At the evidence, and once youunderstand that this place is
intelligently designed, you haveno other choice but to

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understand that there's acreator, whether you like it or
not.
There's no other choice.
In the heliocentric model, youknow, God created, you know the
big bang and then all theplanets and everything, all the
whole stupid story about thewhole cosmos.
God did that or God didn't doit.
It was just a big bang, Right.
So you have a choice.
But in the flat earth, when youunderstand it's intelligently
designed, you have no choice andthat's what they're afraid of.

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They're afraid of peoplefinding out that this place is
intelligently designed and thenthere will be no atheists.
When I was a little kid, born ina Jewish family, non-practicing
, you know, never really went totemple or anything, you know I
got a pseudo bar mitzvah when Iwas 16, because my father got
remarried to some crazy Jewishwoman and and she's like you,

(14:33):
gotta do it, you know, and Ijust I was like whatever, and so
it wasn't right.
But in high school or juniorhigh school, everyone was going
on these trips called Young Life, which was a Christian
organization, and they're allgoing to Bermuda and mother's
like just go, it's okay, you cango.
And so I went.
And the first day we were there, we go on this hike and we go
out to a cliff and we all sitaround and the guy leading us is
going to do a little Biblestudy.
I'm like, okay, Bible study.
I was like I've never, you know,I know nothing about it.

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And he opens up the Bible andthe first thing he reads was a
verse where the stars fell tothe earth.
And I'm like that's a fairytale.
Stars are, like you know, thesize of a city and the earth is
the size of a marble.
Right, you know, how could astar fall to the earth?
And I, right there, I said Idon't believe any of that.
I I just, like Matt, said Inever looked at the Bible for

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another 40 years.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Interesting.
Okay, so logically in your mind, you're like these, these
things are supposed to be.
I've been taught that they're ahundred times the size of Earth
, or a thousand or ten thousandmillion, millions and millions
and millions of times bigger,just a speck and there's no way
it could fall to Earth.
So you're, you're thinking thatthese Well, we'll get into that

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.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
I just said that I just disregarded the whole Bible
and most religions, or allreligions because of that.
I looked at all differentreligions, I looked at, you know
, I kind of investigated themall and I just like, nah, I'm
not buying it.
I, you know, I I it's.
It's really hard for me to saynow.
I used to believe in evolutionand the big bang and and, uh,
you know, we, we came from pondscum.
One time lightning struck andmade something out of nothing

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and then it turned into a fishand a fish grew legs and it
climbed out of the water andfound another sexy fish with
legs that had a monkey and thatmonkey had a human.
Okay, I mean, that's, that'sliterally the story that they
want you to believe.
And, um, you know, and Ibelieved it.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Interesting.
All right, so before we getinto digging into the flat earth
basics and like what you guysactually believe here, I want
you to talk to me about a prettyexciting announcement that has
to do with your app, and we kindof talked about it before here.
It has something to do withdome.
So what's this all about?
Talk to me about it.
Go ahead, matt.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Lead the way.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
Oh, my goodness, okay .
Well, so in crypto, it's allabout going to the moon, right?
Well, in the flat earth model,which we can talk about later,
the moon is actually not thehighest thing in the sky.
The dome is the highest thingin the sky, right?
So we've created a crypto tokencalled DomeShot.
Okay, it's basically a memetoken, except there's some

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pretty awesome utility that goeswith it, and it has to do with
Dave's app.
So we're going to be doing anairdrop to all the users of
Dave's app.
Ok, first of all, we're alsogoing to start paying for
referrals in Dome Shot.
So, dave, you want to take itfrom there?

Speaker 3 (17:14):
Yeah, so.
So on the app, when you go intothe friend finder, there's a
referral section and you openthat up.
You have a referral code hereand you can customize it.
You know it's just a randomnumber, um, and you you put in
your code and then when you'retalking to somebody about flat
earth, you're showing themthings on the app from the
images or videos and stuff.
Everyone says the same thingwhen do I get that app?
And you say, here, get it, butuse my code D, I, t, r, h or

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whatever your code is.
It could be anything up toseven characters and um, and
when they do it you get a pointright and those points you can
trade them in for.
There's a subscription on theapp for some of the higher
functions, if you want to beable to do calls and videos and
all sorts of stuff with otherpeople.
And there's a date.
There's a dating section onthere, or a true matchmaker, we

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call it, and there's a meetupmaker.
So you got the meetup maker,matchmaker, those things.
You have to have thesubscription.
It's eleven dollars a year orjust eleven referrals.
So we were doing that for awhile.
It's been going really well.
But now, with the referrals.
You're going to get dome tokensand we'll go over the numbers
with you in a second.
We kind of just we're justfinalizing it now and there's

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going to be an airdrop and I'lllet matt tell you most about
that.
But the airdrop is going to befor anybody that has entered
their metamask zero referrals.
It doesn't matter, all you haveto do is put a metamask in
there.
So you go to the friend finder,which is the handshake button,
you go to the middle button uphere, which is your referral
status, and right here you justpaste in your metamask address,

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right you have a metamask.
You have a metamask address,brandon.
Yeah, yeah, just post it inthere.
And now you, you're in for theairdrop matt, take it away yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:55):
So what we're going to do is, on september 11th,
we're going to airdrop 33million tokens to anyone that
puts in their wallet address,and from that point on we're
also going to start paying forreferrals, and so every referral
is going to get 1.5 millionDome, and then every Christmas

(19:18):
we're going to reset that.
We're going to have aflattening, we call it where the
amount of Dome that getsreferred out for every referral
lessens, so that we can continueto cycle for about four years
so if we look at, if we look onthe app here, um, I'll go to the
.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
This is um, the leaderboard.
These are the top 100 people.
There's people with.
You know tons of referrals hereand um.
So all of the referrals thatyou have from the beginning of
time, all the way throughDecember 25th, christmas 2024,
are going to get Whoops.
You know what I forgot to dothis?

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Here we go.
Now I can see it better.
All of those, all of those, aregoing to get one point five
million per referral.
After December 5th we have aflattening and it goes down to
one million for the next yearand then that gets flattened
again next Christmas.
After we do that for three moreyears until the tokens are gone

(20:13):
or the time passes.
Go ahead, matt.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
Yeah, I think that subs it up pretty good.
The idea is that we've createda token that has an unbelievable
community behind it that you'vealready mentioned the Flat
Earth community so a loyalcommunity as well as extreme
utility.
This is the first crypto tokenin the history of the world that
has figured out how to monetizetruth, in our opinion, right.
So we're spreading the truthabout the Flat Earth and, at the

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same time, we're also gettingrewarded in the future of
currency.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
We're almost at 200,000 people on the on the
Dome token and we've juststarted right on the on the
friend finder.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
So we have a solid community of very passionate
people.
And what does everybody that'sa flat earther.
All you want to do is wake upyour friends, right?
So wake up your friends, earnpoints, earn dome and unplug
them from the matrix and free usfrom this.
You know this satanic worldthat we're living in, with all
of these insane rulers.

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We don't need those rulers, wedon't need government.
You know government.
Government is to control, andmeant is the mind is to control,
and meant is the mind.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
Yes, and one more thing that we forgot to mention
that's involved in thetokenomics is that, inevitably
because there are people thatare on the app that have
referrals that don't give ustheir MetaMask address, oh yeah,
those unclaimed dome are goingto go into a pot and sit there
for the year and then everyDecember 25th, on Christmas,
we're going to distribute thoseto anyone, to everyone who's

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provided their MetaMask address,regardless of referrals, and
it's going to be distributedbased on the amount of dome that
you have in that wallet.
So the more dome you have inthat wallet, the more freedom or
freedom you're going to receive.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Right, if I had, if I had just for a number of 10
million in mine and he, matt hadone million in his MetaMask
wallet, I'm going to get 10times as much of that pot
because I have 10 times theamount of tokens.
So this is encourages people tokind of lock up their tokens.
It's kind of like staking yourtokens.
You know, the longer you hold,the more, the more you earn, and

(22:23):
and and.
The other thing is how many?
How many will that be?
Well, let me tell you somethingRight now there's only about
one hundred and fifty to onehundred and seventy five people
that have put their MetaMaskaddress in there.
The amount of people that havedone referrals is in the
thousands, in the tens ofthousands.
So I think that a vast majorityof the people are not going to

(22:45):
put their MetaMask in there, andthat pool is probably going to
result in you more tokens thanMatt and I are expecting
actually.
But that's OK.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
All right, so let's sum this up.
So here's what I like aboutthis, and I'm going to speak to
my audience here too.
You know, I did something witha partner of mine where we
tokenized a nonprofit in Texas,and you basically take an
organization that already hasinfrastructure in place and you
give them the gift of theblockchain, and I believe that

(23:18):
we're probably about five toeight years ahead of the curve.
I think that every majororganization across the world is
going to eventually betokenized.
I think that nonprofits aregoing to be tokenized.
I think that large companies,enterprises are going to be
tokenized.
I think that sports teams are,and I think that you guys making

(23:39):
the decision to tokenize ishuge, huge, huge, huge, because
it's going to make a lot ofsense in a short amount of time
here.
Now you guys are launching onthe pulse chain network, correct
?

Speaker 4 (23:51):
Correct.
That is, that is correct.
That was another reason that wewanted to do this was because
one I, I'm a day three hexagon,I've, I've, I've sacrificed for
pulse and pulse X, and so I wantto see that community grow, and
so trying to bring the FlatEarth community over to the
Pulse Chain community, I believe, will definitely help that.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
And the other thing, brandon, doing it on the
Ethereum side.
We couldn't do it.
It costs too much the gas fees.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, but here's the cool thing if you have an
Ethereum wallet, I believe thatyou can put your Ethereum wallet
in this as well, and then yougo to pulse chain your your
tokens are there.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
Yep, yep.
And if you go to domeshotio,we've got some videos on there
on how to do that.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
Right, and for those of you I mean your listeners 99%
of them know how to set up awallet.
But if you have no idea whatany of this is, just go to
domeshotio.
We have instructional videos.
It's simple.
You download the app, youcreate the wallet.
Simple, simple Copy the address, open up your Flat Earth Clock
app, paste it in.
33 million dome is yours, ifyou do it before September 11th.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Very interesting, and how many users do you have on
that app again?

Speaker 3 (25:05):
We're almost 200,000.
We're going to hit 200,000 bythe end of September.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
And there's utility in this token, because you're
going to be able to use thistoken to unlock features on the
app, correct?

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Well, you can.
First, when you unlock, whenyou get, when you're in Dome,
you're also earning a point.
The points are different, soyou can use those points to
unlock the subscription.
The subscription is $11 a year,but it's so easy.
Everyone you show the app to tohelp wake them up.
They're all going to say wheredo I get the app?
It's available on iOS, on theApple App Store, on the Google

(25:37):
Play Store, and you can alsodownload it direct for all
Android phones on my websiteDirect download, and you can do
it that way.
But, um, where are they goingwith that?
What was your question?
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
No, I just.
I was curious about the utilityof this token, because most
don't have utility, but thisdoes.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Well, we're going to add also, there's gonna, you
know, as our store grows, as ourshopping grows and as we do,
events.
There's going to a big eventnext year in Texas Matt doesn't
even know about it for FlatEarth and the old world, and
you'll be able to use your Dometokens to get a discount off of

(26:16):
tickets and other things.
So advertising, yeah, on theapp Great, yeah, if you want to
advertise on the app, you can.
You can purchase it with withDome tokens and we're going to
make it kind of fun.
Like, hey, if you want topurchase an ad, it costs you
$5,000 us or a ridiculous lowamount of dome.

(26:37):
Right, yeah.
So cause we don't want yourfiat currency, we want dome, we
want you to use the crypto.
So, you know, some people mightlook at that and go, wow, does
that mean that dome's worth thismuch?
Well, not really, but it couldbe.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
What percentage of your organization after five
years do you think is going tohold some sort of dome?
If you could just ballpark it.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
That's a great question.
I really got to think aboutthat.
But you know, we have 200,000people on the friend finder.
There's more people on the app,I don't know.
It could be half of them, youknow.
Yeah, it could be.
I don't know.
It depends on you know how wellwe get the message out there.
But we're going to be talkingabout this more and more.
We're going to be making videos, tiktoks and uh.
You know the, the.

(27:19):
The airdrop is kind of like thebig payday, um, and so you know
it's.
It's kind of fun.
And we're not even tellingpeople don buy dome.
Don't go out there and buy hugebags of dome right now.
Don't, because that will be alot of dome.
Just take the airdrop, sit onit, have fun with it.
And you know what, if you're aflat earther, you'd do this for

(27:41):
free.
You would do all of this forfree.
That's all you want to do whenyou're a flat earther is wake
other people up to reality,because when you unplug from the
matrix, uh, it is a much morebeautiful world than uh, than
living in there well, what'sinteresting about?

Speaker 2 (27:55):
oh sorry, go ahead, matt well I was just going to
say.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
One of the things that we're hopeful that this
brings within the community,within the the fe clock user
community, is that someone whowas maybe uh, you know too too
tepid to get into crypto.
This is a freeway, risk-freeway.
You literally just give us thewallet address, we send it to
you for free, and now you have achance to experiment in this

(28:19):
world of crypto that maybe theywouldn't have been able to
before.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Great.
I think this is so cool.
It's on PulseChain too.
Pulsechain's a system statecopy of Ethereum.
If you guys aren't familiar,you can check out.
You can go to PulseChaincomCheck out that information.
You can go to YouTube.
Put in PulseChain.
We probably have more YouTubersthan anybody else out there any
other cryptocurrency community.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
Let me tell you, if I can figure it out, then anybody
could do it.
I mean because when I firstheard about you know crypto, it
was like I'll never learn thisand now I'm teaching other
people about it.
Right, and we came up.
You know the dome, we themining.
It's not proof of work, it'snot proof of stake, it's proof
of mind.
We're minding.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
We're minding people yeah, proof of mind and proof of
truth, right, yeah love it allright, yeah, super fun well guys
, this is this is really cool.
I can't wait to share it withthe pulse chain community,
because you know, adoption'severything.
It's a brand new layer one, andyou're bringing this massive
community, uh, over to pulsechain, so I'd like to thank you

(29:26):
for that.
Um, that's, that's really cool,guys just just remember.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
If you forget everything, go to flat earth
davecom.
Everything is there.
You can find the app there.
You can find links to dome.
You can find everything fromthe old world to flat earth.
Proofs to to this interview.
It'll be on the interviewsection.
Um, so everything is at flatearth davecom.
Everything you need in theworld is there great, great.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Okay, good information here.
I'll actually let me go aheadand put this in here.
I can put in the tickerDomeShotio and FlatEarthDavecom,
right?
Yep, okay, flatearthdavecom.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
And there's a giant banner right near the top that
says you know Dome and click it,and then you're at DomeShot.
Says you know Dome and click it, and then you're at Dome Shot.
So you know it's hard.
People have a hard timeremembering my social media is
this, my Facebook's this, myInstagram's this.
They forget everything.
Flatearthdavecom.
That's it.
Everything's there, cool.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
All right, guys, let's get into this.
And the idea here is I I'mgoing to play kind of a
semi-skeptical role here andjust press in a little bit and
we're going to talk about FlatEarth because my community, this
podcast picking up a whole lotof different viewers from across
the world, because I'm notnecessarily advertising to the

(30:40):
crypto side, so these are goingto be brand new folks and I want
to dig in.
So maybe the Flat Earth Theorybasics.
Dave, I'll start with you.
For those who may not befamiliar, maybe you can break
down the core principles of flatearth and what is the flat
earth model.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Yeah, so when you, if you Google flat earth, you're
going to get nothing.
You're going to.
You know you're going to get adisc floating in space.
This is a balloon at 120,000feet.
The earth is supposedlyspinning at a thousand miles an
hour below them.
It was up here for three and ahalf hours.
It should have landed 3000miles away, but it landed
actually east of where it tookoff.
But the earth is spinning tothe east.

(31:24):
It should have landed west butit outran the earth and then it
landed.
So you can see here, andwhenever we send a balloon up
this high, the sun is neverabove it.
It's always almost at the samelevel and it's kind of a local
light.
You can see that it's kind oflit around there, um, and it's.
You know it's darker over onthe side, right, but if you

(31:44):
google flat earth, you're goingto get this.
This is a false model.
This is what they want you tobelieve, right?
Because this is stupid andyou'll never look at it again.
You know it looks cool.
It looks cool.
Well, it does look cool, butit's stupid.
It's stupid.
You know you're not stupid.
It's stupid when you try topeople like think I can't figure
that out.
No, you know their own system.

(32:18):
When I talk to somebody that'snew, thinks flat earth is stupid
, I start asking them questionsabout their own model.
I say how fast is the Earthspinning?
They don't know.
How fast is it orbiting?
66,000 miles an hour?
They don't know that.
How fast is it chasing the sun?
Because the sun's moving atalmost a half a million miles an
hour.
You cannot fathom what thesespeeds are.
Let me show you what they are.

(32:38):
This is called the hypersonicsled track.
I don't have sound on it, butif you look it up yourself, the
sound is shocking.
Watch this Can't even see.
It Goes by at Mach 8.6.
You can't fathom that speed.
Could you fathom double thatspeed?
You have to believe that thelumpy rock world, surrounded by
smooth, curved water, surroundedby air, adjacent to a vacuum,

(32:58):
which is impossible is going 10times faster than this around in
an elliptical curved patharound the earth and chasing the
sun around the sun, chasing thesun a hundred times faster than
that.
And then, when we go out intonature, we see stuff like this.
All of this is going on atspeeds that you can't even

(33:20):
comprehend, and we can go outand we can see a flat water like
that.
Right, we can see, we can seethis.
Right, what is that?
What are your senses tell youstillness, yeah, it's absolute,
absolute stillness, absolutely,100, still, right, this, this is

(33:42):
where you live.
Large bodies of water, at rest,lie flat.
Water needs containment.
If you had a pond and you tookaway part of the side of the
pond, the water is going to flowaway.
Take away the part of the sideof the, of the, of a giant lake,
it's going to flow away.
If you took away the side ofthe earth, what side?
The earth is a ball right.
Well, this is what the earthlooks like.

(34:04):
This is.
We live in a pond, andeverything outside of this,
which some people call the icewall I just call it the
shoreline of Antarctica isAntarctica.
We don't know what's out here.
We can speculate I love doingthat and there's lots of

(34:27):
evidence but this of thecontinents, antarctica, hold on
um, if we look at the at theaverage elevation, can you guess
let me get rid of that can youguess which one is antarctica?

Speaker 2 (34:42):
I didn't know that.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
That's yeah and antarctica is over double any
other height.
That's because it's theshoreline of our world
Antarctica.
This is the average height ofthe plateau on Antarctica.
Antarctica also has the highestmountains in the world.
Wait a minute.
What about Everest?
Higher than Everest?
Right, but they don't want youto know about it.
They don't want you to knowanything about Antarctica, and

(35:04):
anything they tell you isusually just a lie.
And there's so much evidence.
I want to go into one thing andI'm going to throw it over to
Matt because Matt has anotherway to look at it.
But I'll show you one of my newfavorite proofs, and there are
so many now.
Each one by itself debunks theglobe, debunks the globe 100%.

(35:27):
So during World War II theGermans used the Knickerbein
system, which basically shot amicrowave radio signal for
hundreds of miles and it's aline of sight transmission, and
the plane would fly in that beamand they'd hear beep.

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And if they went off course itwould go beep, beep, beep, beep,
beep, beep, and so they couldfind the center of that beam.
And that's the way they couldfly at night and get to their
target.
The problem is it wouldn't tellthem where their target was.
It would just tell them, it wassomewhere on that line.
But then they get another beamand they, they make a cross,
that, and when it gets to thatcross it can hear the tones.
It drops the bombs and theysuccessfully blew up some

(36:10):
manufacturing plants that theywanted to get and it worked.
But when they, when they plannedit, the, some of the generals,
you know some of the people, thescientists were like nope, it's
not going to work, the earthcurve is going to block it.
And the general in charge goesforget it, do it anyway, do it
anyway.
And they're like the, like thescientists, like it's not going
to work, the earth curve isgoing to block it, right?
So we found one.
This is uh, this, this is thetransmitter right here, 205 feet

(36:33):
.
It was in ringstead and it shotthe.
The where they were going was,uh, where they were the.
The plant they're going for wasthen, uh, whatever,
matagromandi, right, this is 631feet.
Oh, no, 3,631 feet, 205 feet,right, with uh, 515 miles.
Now, if you use the Earth CurveCalculator, not the Flat Earth

(36:53):
Calculator, the Earth CurveCalculator, the hidden part
behind the bulge of the Earth is129,000 feet, that's 24 and a
half miles.
There's no mountain high enough24 and a half miles of Earth in
the way, 24 and a half miles ofa bulge of earth in the way.
So that is impossible, 100%.

(37:15):
So the plane would fly, go beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep,
beep, and I would hear it andwould drop the bombs right there
and it worked.
Okay, that's like saying, youknow, and we'll go over and go
oh, refraction, refraction,right, that would be like hey,
this guy here, he's standingbehind that house, but the house
refracts down and he refractsup and you can see.
You can see the person again.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
That's how stupid it is.
So let's go back to this realquick, because in the, in the
military, we learn about line ofsight.
So line of sight means you havea transmitter that is directly
pointed to a receiver and therecan't be any obstruction.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
Essentially, that is directly pointed to a receiver
and there can't be anyobstruction.
Essentially right.
515 miles.
The amount of curvature is all24 and a half miles, including
that extra height.
They were up, right, includingit.
People are well, you can't seethe bottom of the mountain, you
can't see the whole mountain.
You know, when we look at, whenwe look at, um, you know things
in the distance it is, it isunbelievable.
And then submarines.
Same thing on the bottom of theocean.

(38:11):
They could see anothersubmarine.
100 miles away.
There should be a mountain ofdirt over a mile high between
them.
Right, it's impossible,impossible.
One other quick one, and they'llgo to matt.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, frozen lake,right, so we got a guy.
He goes on this lake and he'sgot his camera six inches off
the ground.
He verifies everything, he putsthese lights at eight miles,

(38:32):
seven, six and five miles awayDoesn't seem that far, but at
that height the horizon shouldbe at a specific distance, the
horizon, and that's something weshould talk about, and this one
should be third, and this I'maccounting with magical
refraction.
So it's more than this 30 feetbelow the curve, 22 feet, 15

(38:53):
feet and nine feet below aphysical curve, right below a
physical curve.
You can't see my mouth becauseit's behind a physical curve.
On a ball.
The horizon is a physical curvebut for some reason these
things all refract up and stopexactly at eye level.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Do me a favor, bring that ball back up, yeah, and put
it up on the camera.
Put your finger behind thehorizon.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
So here's my finger now.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Here's my finger now and it's going away and it
disappears from the bottom up soif there's, for example, if
there's a line of sight sensorright there, or if there's a
camera, then you should not beable to see it because it's
going to run into the curve.
Now, the, the excuse and andwhat they're talking about here
is well, electromagnetic energyrefracts and propagates and

(39:33):
travels through the atmospherein a weird way, and it bends
over the horizon.
What do you say to that?

Speaker 3 (39:39):
It can't because it would scatter, it would spread
out, so it would have to skipand skip and skip again.
It would just be an incoherentmicrowave and Globers have no
explanation.
So they ignore this, they won'tacknowledge it, they won't even
try to debunk it, because theydo.
That means they have toacknowledge it and they can't.

(39:59):
There's no, there's no, youcan't.
They can make up stories aboutanything, but they won't even,
they won't even talk about thisone.
It's absolutely ridiculous.
Check this out, right, check itout.
So you got your horizon here,and the horizon is supposedly
the Earth curve.
But we zoom in, we zoom in, wezoom in, we zoom in and all of a

(40:20):
sudden we see this these aredolphins, ok, that are beyond
that line.
They're miles beyond that lineand they're jumping.
So are they jumping from behindthe ball and going hey, look at
me, look at me, they're,they're way behind that line.
This is just the, the, how youreyes see.
You can only see to a certainpoint.
Right, when I look down at thefloor, we're down on my feet.

(40:42):
I'm looking 90 degrees down.
If I look at something 10 feetaway, that's kind of like a 45
degree angle.
If I look at something 100yards away.
It almost seems like a straightline from my eyes, but the
truth is on a flat surface, theground is always below you.
It appears to rise to eye levelbecause that's how your eyes
work, but it's always six feetbelow your eyes.

(41:04):
If you're six feet tall, it'salways six feet below your eyes,
but in the distance a couplemiles away it looks like it's at
your eye level, and then youreye cannot resolve anything.
If you go up higher, yeah, youcan.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Now you can resolve things better.
Love it, matt.
What do you?
What do you say about all this?
Do you have a different opinionon this or what's?

Speaker 4 (41:24):
this all about?
No, it's very similar.
I do approach it from kind of adifferent standpoint in that
when I was finding out aboutflat earth, I was very involved
in discovering that the Bible isactually a true document, that
it's a historical documentationof things that have happened in
our past.

(41:44):
And so when, when I found outone, we experience a flat,
non-rotating Earth, all of usNone of us have seen the curve,
none of us have experienced themotion.
Yet it's going to be up to meto explain why I believe the
Earth is flat and motionless.
That's a little bit weird,right?
It's like the burden of proofshouldn't be on me, because I'm
just explaining what I see andwhat I feel.

(42:06):
So we experience a flat,non-rotating earth.
The Bible describes a flat,non-rotating earth in over a
hundred verses and science, asyou've seen, proves from what
Dave's talking about, proves aflat, non-rotating earth with
the lack of curvature, with thelack of motion.
The only thing that is inopposition to these things that

(42:27):
we see and feel are what we seeon screens and textbooks, and
all the people who write thosetextbooks and do those Discovery
Channel specials all have thesame worldview, and it's the
worldview that nothing explodedand created everything without
the help of an all loving, allpowerful creator.
So I come at it from more of abiblical mindset and think about

(42:48):
well you know, if the earth isa spinning ball flying through
space, how did God stop theearth when Joshua asked him to
do it?
When Joshua was chasing downthe Amalekites?
God stops the sun and the earthover specific places.
How is it that the earth wascreated three days before the
sun in the Genesis account?
Because the earth is supposedto be revolving around the sun.
That doesn't work.

(43:08):
Genesis account because theearth is supposed to be
revolving around the sun.
That doesn't work.
How is it that the devil takesJesus up to a high mountain and
shows him all the kingdoms ofthe world if he's on a ball?
How is it that the whole worldis going to see Jesus when he
comes back on the clouds ifwe're on a ball?
And over and over and over, theBible over 70 times talks about
the sun, moon and stars ismoving and never once talks
about the Earth is moving.
In fact, it says the Earth isfixed and immovable.

(43:31):
So all of these things combineto say that we live on a flat,
non-rotating Earth system wherethe Earth is encapsulated under
a dome which is inside of water,actually, and the North Pole is
at the center, as Dave showedyou, and the South Pole doesn't
exist.
At the edges is Antarctica,which is not a continent at the

(43:55):
bottom of the ocean, but rathera continental ice shelf.
And this can be proven in theway that compasses work, because
the compass always points north, and the further you get away
from north, it doesn't now startto point south.
Actually, the further away youget from north, the worse a
compass works.
In fact, when you're in art inantarctica, they say you might
as well not even bring a compassbecause it's so wacky when it

(44:16):
should be more accurate justpointing to the south.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
So I think that's proof that we only have a north
pole at the very center of ourworld compasses should not work
on the equator because it'd beequally pulled from the north
pole and the South pole.
Good point, it wouldn't knowwhich way to go.
Let me, let me show you this.
A lot of people say um, whatabout Polaris?
Yeah, our North star, you can'tsee it in, in, in, uh, south
America?
True, well, that's not ahundred percent true.
It has been seen as far as 30degrees South, which completely

(44:42):
rules out the ball.
But about the equator is whereyou lose it.
So here's a guy.
This is the North Star over thecenter of our circle, our world
, right, and so that's at a 90degree angle.
And then, if he moves over here, that's about a 45 degree angle
, if he moves over here, that'sabout 25, we'll say and if he

(45:03):
keeps on going, it'll get lessand less and less, however,
it'll never smudge into thehorizon.
It'll get less and less, less,however, it'll never smudge into
the horizon.
You know why?
Because this is what's calledan orthographic view.
You never see the world thisway this is.
You can never see the side ofyour face, except in a picture
like this, right, so you can'tsee it.
So this is what happens.
Here's 90 degrees.

(45:24):
He moves away.
It goes down to 45 degrees.
He moves away.
He moves away.
He keeps on going, and this isjust going to merge into this
horizontal eye zone.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
So you're saying that that's what happens with the
flat Earth model?

Speaker 3 (45:39):
A hundred percent.
That's what happens.
It would also happen on a globe.
Here's the thing we'reterrestrial beings, we're on the
flat Earth, we're on that,we're on the Earth.
And then you have theatmosphere.
Let's say it's 10,000 feet ofatmosphere.
Well, when you are lookingstraight up, you're looking
through 10,000 feet and thenit's kind of clear.
So we have a clear shot ofwhatever is above the atmosphere

(45:59):
, right.
But when you're looking away,straight across, you're looking
through all atmosphere and itbecomes opaque.
Like if you're looking througha pane of glass, great, put
atmosphere.
And it becomes opaque, like ifyou're looking through a pane of
glass, great, put another paneof glass, put another pane, put
50 panes together.
You can't see through it, eventhough they're all clear.
It's the same thing with theatmosphere.
The atmosphere becomes opaque.
And not only does it becomeopaque, it, it converges top to

(46:19):
bottom, left to right.
Let me show you.
Here is it.
Can you know how?
The perspective grid, you know?
The sides come together, thetop and the bottom go down and
everything goes into that line.
Well, that 10 000 feet ofatmosphere gets compressed into
um, a line which looks like it'sat your eye level.

(46:40):
Now the ground.
Remember I said it's always sixfeet.
Believe you're standing at theedge of calm water.
The water is always six feetbelow you, but it looks like it
rises to eye level, or almostRight.
The sky, that 10,000 feet, allcompresses into that same line,
so it all to you, looks likeit's at eye level.
So if this is the 10,000 feetof atmosphere, right, the sun

(47:01):
just goes beyond.
It Got it.
And this here looks like it'sat your eye level.
I know I'm talking a lot, butI've got some graphics and let
me just show you this.
So this is, this is.
Let me show you this.
All right, so this is.
Where is it?

Speaker 5 (47:22):
Excuse me, all right.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
All right.
So here's our, here's theperspective grid that we're
talking about and everything youknow this guy's.
Here's his eyeline, right here.
You can follow it to the back.
We put this mountain here.
It said, say, it's 3000 feetabove him and here's the sun.
The sun is moving away Now.
It looks like it's going down.
It's just moving away.
Is the sun below the horizon?
No, it's just beyond themountain.
It's just beyond the mountain,right, Just like here.

(47:47):
If we're looking up at this,it's 12 o'clock noon.
We're looking straight up at abuilding and now it's like one
o'clock and the sun is not belowthe horizon.
It's just beyond the building,right, If this person went
backwards, they'd be able to seethe sun, because the building
would get smaller and smaller.
Let's go back to this.
The sun is just there.

(48:07):
If this guy moved backwards,we'll move him back.
There's the sun again.
Now the sun goes farther away.
Again, it goes beyond this lineright here.
This line is still 3, 3000 feetabove his eyes, but it looks to
him to be at eye level we hadthe clouds.
Yeah, so we had the clouds right10,000 feet of clouds.

(48:29):
They're all merging into thatline.
Also, the sun is above it.
The sun goes beyond it, notbelow it, right?
So this line, here is the.
The part of it is 3000 feetabove his eyes.
The atmosphere is another fiveor 10,000 feet on top of that,
but to him it all looks likeit's at eye level.
It all looks like it's at eyelevel.
That's how we see people fightthat left and right.

(48:52):
Globers will deny it.
Right?
And just one more thing.
I haven't shown this yet, sothis is a, this is a shot from.
Uh, my well, first, before Itell you what it is, what is
more space?
From here to here or from thisarrow to this arrow?
Which one is more space?
it, it looks like yeah, it lookslike yeah, obviously the bigger

(49:14):
space yeah, so here we have anisland which is about a quarter
of a mile away from me.
Here, ok, I'm standing here.
This mountain is a quarter mileaway.
I don't know if you can seeright here, but this line here,
if I zoom in, you can see thatit's New York City.
You can see all the buildings,the trade tower, and that's 25
miles away.
So that's a hundred timesfarther than from here to here.

(49:36):
From here to here is a hundredtimes this distance.

Speaker 5 (49:40):
so not only the, thing are you so dumb?

Speaker 3 (49:47):
what's so dumb?
brandon, he didn't get it rightoh yeah, yeah, you're so dumb,
so so, so, like we have thisboat here and the boat gets
smaller and here, at a quartermile away, it's really small,
it's got to go a hundred times.
It's got to reduce in size ahundred times to go from here to
here, right?

(50:08):
So people say, well, how come,so when?
So, basically, right, here isthe limit of how far you're
going to see, but things willstill smaller, right?
Let's say, it's 25 smaller here, 25 smaller there.
It's got to do that a hundredmore times.
So it's going to disappear andyou're going to think it went

(50:28):
over a curve because ofprogramming.
All right, I want to wait.
Last thing I just want to saythis is crap that you have to
think about.
They teach you in school tomemorize, get the a and forget
it.
Okay, yeah, but this is stuffthat you, you have to think
about.
They teach you in school tomemorize, get the a and forget
it okay, yeah, but this is stuffthat you actually have to think
about.
And you know your community arethinkers, right, because
they're getting off the fiatsystem and they're they're.

(50:49):
You know they're listening toyou.
Let me maybe don't think thatmuch I know gosh, don't go that
far yeah, but but you knowthinking is actually really good
.
It's exercising.
You got to do it a lot or ithurts.
So you know flat earthers do alot of thinking.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Absolutely.
Now.
I wanted to show you guys thistweet.
I'll pull it up here, yeah, andI put this out a while back,
maybe, like I don't know, amonth ago or so, and I said why
are people so mad?
But I mentioned the use of fisfish eye lenses in space, faking
curvature, but when neil tyson,neil degrasse tyson mentions it
, no one bats an eye.

(51:25):
And I and I specifically saidyou don't have to be a flat
earther to speak the scientifictruth about this topic, and I
want to play this for theaudience here and then we'll
kind of talk about it.

Speaker 5 (51:37):
Okay, guys, go All right, and that dude who jumped
out of a perfectly good balloon.
What's his name?
Felix Felix Bumgardner.
He would have been about twomillimeters above the surface of
this globe.
That's his edge of space.
Jump of space, jump.

(52:00):
Now you know, I don't.
It's funny, he wants to.
I don't have a problem if hedoes it, but the honesty of it
would greatly diminish what Ithink people thought he was
actually doing.
And not only that, they madesure to photograph him standing
there with a really wide anglelens which curves horizontal

(52:22):
lines.
So in the photo you see thiscurvature of Earth's surface and
he's like wow, he's in space.
Look at that.
No, he's not At that height.
You don't see the curvature ofthe Earth.
If you are two millimetersabove this beach ball, you just
don't All right so.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
Hold on, play the last line.

Speaker 5 (52:46):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
You guys know All right.

Speaker 5 (52:48):
That stuff is flat.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
There you go.
You took away the punchline.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Come on, I'm part of the resistance.

Speaker 4 (52:59):
Yeah, so what that does?
I actually think he did that asa response because there was so
much flat earth content comingout around that time and people
using the lack of curvature as aproof that we're not on a ball,
which I obviously take that asproof and so they had to come
out with some misinformationbeyond that.
But it's telling that thefarthest we can go, supposedly

(53:23):
right now off the surface of theearth is about 250 miles if you
believe the narrative, andthat's like driving from dallas
to houston.
It's not very far.
You know they want us to thinkoh, you know, outer space is, is
achievable, and galaxies beyondgalaxies, and what is reality

(53:44):
is everything that's portrayedas space is actually what's
called computer generated images.
Right, there's a differencebetween photos and images.
And because we can't go veryhigh off the surface of the
Earth that's why they say we'renot able to produce an actual
photo of the entire Earth theyhave to stitch together low

(54:06):
altitude balloon footage of theEarth and create what's called
the Blue Marble Series, which onNASA's website, almost verbatim
, it says we had to take theflat map, wrap it around the
ball and add photos and addclouds and Photoshop, and that's
how they create.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Yeah, dave, I want to point this out real quick and
then this is going to be coolhere.
It gets me so frustrated tohear, for example, pilots.
Pilots say that, yeah, we'recruising along at 40,000 feet
and we can definitely seecurvature.
We can see it bending over thehorizon.
And then they say all you gotto do is look out the window.

(54:42):
And I'm like dude, I've lookedout the window, I can't see it.
And then you have.
What was funny in that tweetwas the comments.
Which is these people?
They're so against eventhinking on their own that
they're attacking neil degrassetyson, their lord and savior.
Right so it.
It was very interesting for meto watch.
Go ahead, dave.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
Yeah.
So you know.
What people don't understand isyou can only see a certain
distance in all directions.
So if it, let's say, just for adistance, a hundred miles at
one o'clock, two o'clock, threeo'clock, that's a hundred miles.
Connect all those points,that's creating a flat circle.
But your programming seessphere right.
You don't see a straight lineacross.
You can only see the samedistance.
So if you had a string 100miles long and you ran it around

(55:25):
, it's going to make a circleand that's the curve that you're
seeing, if you can even see itat all.
This is Felix, this is a fisheyelens.
And you know they said, oh, youcan, have you ever been in
airplanes?
And we said, no, no, you can'tsee it in airplane.
And they're like oh, have youever been in a mig fighter?
70 000 feet?
The myth busters that went upthere.
But one of their cameras wasnot a fisheye and it showed a
perfectly flat horizon.

(55:46):
So we debunked that.
Then then they're like then thered bull jump.
Uh, you know stuff came out andwe proved that that was a
fisheye lens.
And then neil did the damagecontrol all of this land.
Now look at this how much ofthe earth is this, brandon?

Speaker 2 (55:58):
that's.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
That would be such a small amount of earth like, yeah
, if it were real no, no, ifthis was the curve of the earth,
this would be about a third ofthe earth, correct?
Yeah, this is all new mexico.
This is all new mexico.
We looked at all of the linesand stuff in here.
It's all new mexico.
Right that that is impossible,but that represents?

Speaker 2 (56:16):
that represents, uh, almost, you know, 30 or 40
percent of the northernhemisphere, if you believe me,
right, of course.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
Now this is the camera inside the capsule.
When he got in, was here thehorizon 10 feet off the ground,
and this is at 127,000 feet.
The horizon doesn't move.
Yeah, as you go up, you can seefarther.
The Earth should be dropping,dropping, dropping.
At three miles, there's a sixfoot drop.
At 100 miles, there's a miledrop and then it exponentially

(56:44):
gets worse from there, right,right.
So he's at 127,000 feet and thehorizon does not change.
Yeah, the horizon does not drop.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Here's what I would.
I'm going to ask my listenershere, guys, I'm not begging you
to believe flat earth and I'mgoing to make my opinion clear
on on this here in a second butI'm not begging you to to
believe in it.
I'm just telling you to lookand look at the facts, like look
at what it actually is and thenstart asking your own daggone
questions about it.

(57:17):
Uh, because they're right here,they're right in front of you,
and a regular person who doesn'tbelieve in flat earth, for
example, can ask these questionsand then challenge people who
are quote unquote smarter thanthey are to answer these
questions and see what they comeup with.
And I'll tell you, you know, alot of times, man, people just
don't have good answers, theydon't even try to answer, they

(57:38):
just kind of ad hominem and theycall you stupid for even asking
very legitimate questions.
So I wanted to let the audienceknow, kind of, where I stand on
this.
Dave, the stream that you didreally thrust me in a completely
different direction, which I'msure it does with a lot of
people, and there are extremelylegitimate questions that do not

(58:00):
have answers to them.
Nobody, no matter how muchresearch I've done, how many
times I've asked people.
There's just not answers tosome of this stuff.
So where does this fall in mymind?
Well, it's frustrating becauseI can never see with my own eyes
.
I can't ever see with my owneyes.
I can't go out into space, Idon't have the resources or

(58:20):
capability to do it, but we cansend cameras up, and everything
that I've seen from the camerasthat aren't manipulated indicate
that there is a much biggermystery out there than what
they're leading on to.
So that audience, I want to letyou know.
That's where I stand, and I'mcertainly I'm a, I'm a huge
skeptic about everything thatI've been fed at this point, on

(58:42):
the app.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
If you just go to images section, I just put in
fisheye and you have.
This is, you know, taken by anamateur balloon, and this is
nasa, right same same heightit's.
You know how many times youneed to see something like this
to understand away, would you?

Speaker 2 (58:57):
you'd have to be a million miles away from the
earth to see that sort ofcurvature.
If.
If that were the case, like ifthat was a legitimate picture,
right, they don't send thingsout that far, they don't.
They just don't do that, right?
Yeah, so?

Speaker 3 (59:12):
they, they, uh, they had, uh.
There's a shot of the earthfrom a million miles away and
then the earth, the, the moongoes in front of it.
It's so stupid.
It's literally like they wouldprobably reject that as a clip
on south park because it looksso stupid.
It's too stupid for south parkI love it.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Uh, all right, let me .
Let me kind of move this here.
Um, okay, let's talk about this, because this is and this is
something that I don't know muchabout.
Uh, I I have shifted myopinions on it, though.
So, gravity and physics Gravityis almost a curse word.
If I go into Twitter space,flat Earth, twitter space and I
start talking about gravity, Iget laughed out of the space.

(59:51):
Not really, but you know what Imean.
So what's the theory of gravityin Flat Earth?
How do you account for thingslike tides and things like that
as well?
So, let's start with gravityfirst.
Yeah, what are your thoughts?

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
Why don't I start with it and I'll pass it over to
Dave.
So gravity mathematically, likeif you're trying to solve for
the force of gravity between twoobjects, okay, you've got.
The force of gravity is equalto the gravitational constant,
6.67 times 10, to the negative11th times the mass of the first
object times the mass of thesecond object, divided by the

(01:00:30):
radius between the two objectssquared.
Okay, so let's say we're tryingto calculate the force of
gravity on me from the Earth,okay, well, we've established
that the radius of the earth issomething that is in question
because we don't think the earthis a ball, we think it's flat
and obviously the flattersomething gets, the larger that

(01:00:54):
radius becomes.
Right, do we agree?
As as something?
As the radius gets larger andas the radius is approaching
infinity, that thing is gettingflat.
So if radius is infinity andthat's in the denominator, then
what that creates is somethingthat's equal to zero.
So any mathematical formulathat has the radius of the Earth

(01:01:14):
or the radius between twopoints that involves the Earth
has to equal zero.
So the force of gravitymathematically equals zero if
you can disprove curvature,which I believe that we've done
so, beyond that, if, if gravityisn't what regulates us if it's
something else, like we allagree that things close to the
surface of the earth tend tofall at 9.8 meters per second,

(01:01:37):
squared right seems likesomething that you can repeat.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
I don't think we can measure it for the most part
right, but it does it does notmean that gravity exists.

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
And I'll give you an example.
So they say that they've proventhe existence of gravity
because they've proven theexistence of gravity waves,
which they call ripples in spacetime.
So there was something calledit was liga, it was in like the
arizona desert or something likecalled it was Liga, it was in
like the Arizona desert orsomething like that.
It was this huge array that wassupposedly observing two black
holes a billion light years away, orbit each other and

(01:02:07):
eventually collide.
Ok, a billion light years, yeah, and if you want to, so if you
want to, if you want tocalculate what that is, so the
sun is eight light minutes away,so multiply that times sixty
five thousand to get to a lightyear, and then multiply times a
billion to get to a billionlight years, and then turn out
the lights because it's a blackhole.
So I don't even know how youfind it Right.
So it observes these two blackholes combined, and then they

(01:02:31):
were going to measure theripples in space time as they
come back to the earth.
Now, they did not measure thegravitational waves or ripples
in space from the moon, which isonly 240,000 miles away.
Supposedly, they measured itfrom two black holes a billion
light years away, and they saidthat they proved the existence
because the ripple in space timethat they measured was less

(01:02:54):
than the diameter of the nucleusof an atom.
Ok, this is what they claim tohave recorded and proven the
existence of gravity with sodave.
Why don't you explain what wedo believe, then?

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
since, yeah, so just real quick, the a billion light
years away, that means it's beenthat gravity wave.
Does it go to speed of light?
Matt, it goes.
It's been traveling for abillion year, for a billion
years yeah, it's so stupid.
So, brandon, do you believe inmagnets?

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
but do I believe in them?

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
yes, you feel the force, they can pull or push
right.
Right, uh, do you?
Uh, do you understand whatelectrostatics is?
That a positive and a negativewill track, then two negatives
will push away.
When you have somethingelectrically charged, like a, a
balloon, you know you get anelectric charge on it.
It sticks to the wall.
All right, walter Lewin, mitprofessor, says that everything

(01:03:46):
in our world is held togetherwith electrostatics.
Ok, so just keep that in mind.
Everything the air we breathe,us plants, animals, everything
our houses, the ground and theground has a measurable negative
charge and the sky has apositive charge.
So anything that's touching theground is connected to the

(01:04:06):
ground and it has its weight dueto buoyancy and density.
But once you're in the air,you're surrounded by a positive
charge.
The ground is not moving, soit's attracting you down.
It says down is this direction.
Electrostatics can be measured,tested, manipulated, can
actually be tested.
Gravity is just a theory, solet's just look at a quick test.

(01:04:30):
So here we have some leftoverballoons, right, and they're
holding this.
This is just a button here.
It's about two inches off theground, and we have this wire
that goes to a Van der Graaffgenerator which allows us to
change the charge of this.
So we're not changing gravity.
We're going to add a positivecharge and when we add a
positive charge it's moreattracted to the ground and it

(01:04:51):
pulls the balloons down and thenwhen we discharge it, it goes
back up.
Now do we manipulate gravity ordo we manipulate electrostatics
?
Here we can do the same thingTinfoil we put a negative charge
into it, it goes up.
We turn it off, it goes down.
Right, turn it back on, it goesup.
It stays up because negativeand negative are pushing away

(01:05:11):
from each other.
Are we manipulating gravity orare we manipulating
electrostatics?
Clearly, testably, provably,repeatably, we're manipulating
electrostatics.
Let's pretend gravity is real.
The globalist scientists saythat the electrostatic force is
10 to the 36 power stronger thangravity.
Brandon, I can't even fathomwhat that is.

(01:05:33):
This is MIT, not MIT.
Is this MIT?
No, not MIT.
Where was this?
Harvard?
I think at MIT.
This is called the silent drone.
It has no moving parts.
It's flying with electrostatics.
It has no moving parts.
It can fly due to changing itselectrical charge.
Are we manipulating gravity orare we manipulating

(01:05:53):
electrostatics?
During lightning storms, thingsweigh different.
Things fall at different speeds.
Sometimes, when lightningstrikes next to somebody, the
person goes flying in the air.
Did gravity disappear or didthe charge in the ground turn
positive for a split second andsend that person flying?
Okay, so that is provable.
But let's pretend gravity isreal 10 to the 36.

(01:06:15):
Brandon, you can't fathom what10 to the 36 is.
If you were standing here nextto me and I punch you I gave you
up just a solid punch, like youknow, like, like you called me
dick and I punch you you'd belike ouch.
If I punch you a hundred timesharder, it'd probably really
hurt.
If I punch you a thousand timesharder, probably break your
shoulder.
If I punch you a hundredthousand times harder, you'd go
to the floor.

(01:06:35):
You'd probably break your back.
A million times harder, you'redead.
A billion times harder, you'dprobably explode.
A trillion, a trillion timesharder.
It would probably blow up thewhole neighborhood, something
you know.
You can't fathom what thatamount of force is.
That's 15 zero, 15 zeros or 12zeros, 12 zeros, yeah, it's it.
That that's.
We have to get up to 36.

(01:06:55):
We have to go times, a thousandtimes, a thousand times.
It's so stupid how big it isRight.
And so if gravity was real,it's zero because 10 to the 36,
that's something that we canmeasure, which is a weak force
in itself.
It just makes that zero.
If gravity was, if I had a 45pound, you know, barbell, here,

(01:07:16):
and gravity was the only thingpulling it down, it would never
pull it down, it would just sitthere.
Electrostatics pulls it rightto the ground.
Um, it attracts it to theground.
Grit down is this way.
It's a weak force.
Buoyancy and density sorteverything and sort everything
else out so let uh.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Can you guys hear the air conditioning unit in the
background here, or no?
No, no, okay, cool, so let'ssegue into this.
So what's the force of a vacuumand thinking that this is, you
know, uh, how's their airpressure if we're not in an
enclosed environment, right?

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
well, they say that gravity is holding the earth
down, right, holding the airdown, and the air is spinning
with.
This is the official story thatthe bumpiness of the earth over
millions and millions of yearshas gotten all of the the air to
spin, with the earth at athousand miles an hour at the
equator, 500 miles an hour, likein, you know, in north, and
that's far.
The farther you go, the slowerit's going, because it's making

(01:08:10):
a smaller circle on the ball.
It's all stupid, it's allridiculous.
There's actually 300 mile anhour circular winds going out
running the speed of the earthabove, uh, at like 40 000 feet
out running the speed of theearth.
If the earth was spinning, someof that air up high would be
lagging back.
It wouldn't be out running theearth.

(01:08:31):
Right, it's all, it's allinsanity.
You have to believe this isgoing on, right it's.
It makes they make it soconfusing here and this is
important.
We're going to, we're going toback up with just a little bit.
A trillion, right, speaking ofa trillion, that's how many
don't earn supply?
Yeah, so there's not 100trillion, how many?

(01:08:51):
How many Doge tokens are there?

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
You know, renan Bill, I think it inflates five
billion per year actually.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
But there's tens of trillions of them, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
We have 1 trillion.
1 trillion is a great number.
How big is 1 trillion Brandon?
How long do you think 1trillion seconds is?
I have no idea.
Take a guess and I'll give youa Bitcoin if you guess it within
two days.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Oh, how many days worth?

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
How about if you guess it within two weeks?

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
32,000.
Yeah, how many seconds, yeah,how about if you guess it within
two weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
Thirty two thousand years.
You know the answer, but it'sthirty one thousand years.
Oh no, I just guessed, I didn'tknow.
That's funny that no one's everguessed it before Thirty one.
Think about it One trillionseconds is thirty one thousand
years.
You can't fathom what that is.
The star other than our sun,which they say is a star, is 25
trillion miles away.

(01:09:44):
So if you and I were in aspaceship going a thousand no,
going a mile per second, fasterthan anyone's ever gone, and we
went for one trillion seconds,we've gone one trillion miles,
mile per second, one trillionseconds, one trillion miles.
We've been together for 31 000years.
We have to do that 24 moretimes to get to the closest star
, right?
But I'm good friends with elon,right?
You know we're we're brother,we're brother, we're brothers.

(01:10:05):
And, uh, he's gonna lend me arocket ship that goes a hundred
thousand miles an hour.
It's gonna cut some time off.
It's only gonna take us 28 000years to get to the closest star
.
I don't think the earth is 28000 years old right, guys the
interview's over.
I like elon the interview's over, okay well, I said he lent me a

(01:10:25):
rocket.
I'm just talking about how farit is.
Don't think anything bad aboutelon.

Speaker 4 (01:10:29):
All right, I'm not saying anything bad, the only
thing I would add to the gravitydiscussion is that gravity is
needed to stick things to a balland to have that ball revolve
around other balls.
If you don't have that, ifeverything is flat and
motionless, you don't needgravity.
There's only one up and there'sonly one down.
And dave, what you didn'tanswer was the fact that, um, he

(01:10:50):
was asking about the force of avacuum and, oh yeah, live in an
encapsulated environment butyeah, so so how, if gravity is
holding it down from the tor 17vacuum, which is a vacuum we
can't even create on Earth, ofspace?

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
vacuum, the vacuum of Earth that they talk about.
Right, the vacuum of space isspace, rather is is the
strongest vacuum.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
Like we do it.
We have a vacuum chamber here.
Nasa has it.
The walls are 10 feet thick ofsteel and concrete so it doesn't
collapse upon itself.
And they can't.
They can only get down to likea tour 10 or a tour seven,
something like that, and sothat's like not even a full
vacuum.
But we can't even recreate thathere.
But I can, with the weak lowpressure of my mouth and lungs,

(01:11:32):
hold a straw downwards and suckair and water up and away from
gravity.
But the tour 17 vacuum can't.
Once you think about it, you,it makes no sense.
But the problem is most peopledon't want to ever think about
it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
So the thing that maybe you brought up, or another
guy that I talked to to askquestions, it's you know, how do
we?
Do you believe that we're in apressurized system?
Do you think that we're in anenclosure?
Because, like, how do we haveair pressure?
How can air pressure exist ifit's not in a closed system?
That was one of the big thingsthat popped my mind.

Speaker 4 (01:12:08):
Yeah, you're exactly right, you're exactly right, and
so I would describe that as thefirmament that was created on
day two, basically the dome thatencapsulates our world and
likely comes down to rest in theAntarctica ice wall region.
And, if you can picture, likean upside down bowl going into a
bathtub, right, so thefirmament was created to

(01:12:30):
separate the waters above fromthe waters below, as the Bible
describes, and so you take thatupside down bowl, you put it in
a bathtub and it captures airinside that, inside that bowl,
right, that upside down bowl.
And so that's what we're in,we're inside that pressurized
system.
You can't have a positivelypressurized system without some

(01:12:50):
kind of structure encapsulatingit.
And the interesting thing isthat a lot of Bible translations
on day two will call thefirmament an expanse, like an
empty expanse of air, and that'sthem trying to work outer space
into the equation.
But Psalm 19.1 says that thefirmament shows God's handiwork.

(01:13:12):
All right, so if I was toinstall a door in my office,
okay, and I wanted to show youmy handiwork, my craftsmanship I
wouldn't open the door and showyou the empty space between the
two jams as a display of what agreat craftsman I am.
No, I'd, I'd show you the hardsurface.
In fact, the word firm, theword firmament, has the word
firm in it.

(01:13:32):
It's called his terriblecrystal, it's his strong looking
glass.
Over and over and over in theBible this is talked about as
something physical, right.
And something really cool thatI've recently come across in the
Bible is when, when we hadNoah's flood, okay, god opens
the windows of heaven and thefountains of the deep burst
forth.
And so not only was rain anissue in the great flood, but

(01:13:56):
also the fact that the waterswere rising from underneath.
So if you had that bowl, okay,and you sunk it in the bathtub
and you cut a hole in the top,like opening the windows of
heaven, not only would water goin, but air is coming out, that
air pressure is coming out, sothat water is rising, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
Yeah, that's an interesting thing.
I used to live in an apartmentcomplex when I was growing up
and they built the apartmentcomplex so the river was
actually higher than theapartment complex.
So when things started to flood, the apartment complex was kind
of in a bowl and the apartmentcomplex would flood from the

(01:14:33):
manholes up.
The water would shoot upinstead of the river spilling
over into the complex Verysimilar to what you're talking
about that's exactly what'shappening, and so I then started
to look and see.

Speaker 4 (01:14:44):
Well, after the flood , was there an incident of god
basically putting air pressureback into the system?
There actually was?
At the end of the flood, thebible says that a great wind
blew over the entire earth andthe flood waters receded, the
windows of heaven were closed,and and that was that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
So that's oh cool, genesis, can I tell them?
Can I tell them the story?
What happened in tennesseeafter uh?

Speaker 4 (01:15:09):
yeah, one, one more, but the only thing I would say
after that is the fact that, um,this whole thing is created
because pressure is being letout, right, right, we're
creating a low pressure system,and that's exactly what a
hurricane is.
A hurricane is a low pressuresystem.
So it's likely that the floodwas literally the largest
hurricane to ever happen on theearth because of the air

(01:15:33):
pressure being let out, and Ibelieve that, when the pressure
was put back in, that the levelof the water is actually higher
now than what it was originally,because I believe we live in a
lower pressure system.
Now.
that's why people aren't livingas long, because the bible talks
about people living forthousands of years, almost
thousands of years prior to theflood all of those uh cities
we're finding underwater now.

Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
They're because the water levels are higher.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
Yeah I've read some.
I've read some, uh, somescientific experiments where
they put plant life in highpressure systems and these
things just grow to begargantuan and much much longer
yeah yes, here's a.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
Here's a enclosed system that has, you know it's
self-sustaining.
This has been closed for over40 years and there's all sorts
of life in here and it's just aself-contained system.
Uh, try that on a ball with awith a burning sun, next to a
space vacuum.
All of the stuff that you knowthe helio nonsensical system is
is is absolutely mind-numbinglystupid all right, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
You heard it there first.
Absolutely mind-numbinglystupid.
Are you offended yet?
I hope so.
Uh, here's the challenge.
Here's the challenge go.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
Go to my website, flatter at davecom you can get
the app is the best way.
Uh, because every day on theapp there's a featured video
right here and I just say watchthe featured video every day for
two weeks.
At the end of that two weeks,send me your one globe proof and
you win six bitcoins for thisshow.
If you say you're a fan ofbrandon and he bans you, all
right, um, and, and you know thearchives are right here.

(01:17:05):
The frequently asked questionsare under the question mark.
There's all sorts of stuff onhere.
Again, you'll set up, if youget the app set up, your dome.
But if you don't want to getthe app, that's fine, scroll
down to see a big picture me.
It says crash course and watcha minimum of three videos.
I say the first three, and youtoo will lose the respect of
your family and friendstemporarily, until they become
flat earthers too.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
Especially during the holidays, right, how's?
That flat earth doing Brandon,yeah, hey all right, are you
guys doing okay on time?
I forgot to ask you, are youokay?

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
I'm running a little low, maybe 10 minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
All right, 10 minutes here, All right.
So I want to ask you this uh,Dave and Matt, if you've been in
the situation, what's the mostdifficult question that you ever
had to to overcome when it cameto somebody who who believes in
the opposite of what youbelieve?
So maybe in a debate oranything like that, like, can

(01:17:56):
you give any credit there?
Like, what's the most difficultquestion that you you've had
that you struggled to?

Speaker 4 (01:18:03):
I'll start.
I'll start.
I don't think it's a questionso much as it is a mindset,
because there's nothing liketrying to talk to someone about
this.
That is like they just won'thave it, like it's almost like
you can't say the right thing tothe wrong person.
You can't say the wrong thingto the right person.
It's someone who will ask you aquestion.

(01:18:24):
You answer the question andwhile you're still mid answer,
they're now asking you anotherquestion what about this?
What about that?
As opposed to actuallylistening to you speak, because
I do think this is this is likeany other argument out there.
There's evidence and thenthere's interpretation of
evidence.
So we've all seen that memewhere I'm standing on one side

(01:18:47):
and I see a number six on theground.
Dave's standing on the otherside and he sees it as a nine.
We're both looking at the sameevidence.
What we have is differentworldviews that are approaching
that evidence.
So when you watch the HistoryChannel and you watch the
Discovery Channel, you're notwatching unbiased evidence.
You're watching theirinterpretation of the evidence
In a murder trial theprosecution and the defense.

(01:19:10):
They are arguing over theirinterpretation of the evidence,
not the evidence itself.
They're trying to get the juryto adopt their version of the
evidence to either convict orexonerate the client.
So what I run into is, like youknow, satellites are a
difficult question.
You know different things likethat.
Gravity is even a difficult onejust because people are so

(01:19:32):
programmed.
But really it's the mindset ofsomeone who just will not listen
to the fact that, like I don'tthink we have to have every
question answered, I think thefact that we can disprove motion
and curvature disproves aspinning ball, like done Dave's
Dave's point about theencapsulated system that
disproves the ability to have aspinning ball flying through
space.
Dave, what do you think?

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
Yeah, the falsification is independent of
replacement, so if we falsifythe globe, we don't need to come
up with a replacement althoughwe do have replacements for most
of this.
There is not any hard questions.
The hardest part is gettingpeople to listen without them
galloping from question toquestion to question, because
they'll just go well, what aboutthis?
They won't even listen, andthen, after they go through five

(01:20:15):
or six or 10 other things, theygo back to the one that you
already explained, because theydidn't hear it and that the
hardest thing is getting peopleto understand.
But when they get to the pointwhere they're like well, why the
lie right here?
Why the lie If they hit?
Why the lie?
Whoops, why the lie?
Up comes a list of unbelievablevideos that are all being hidden

(01:20:38):
from you.
And these are the ones.
These are hidden from you andthese are the ones.
These are my favorite videosand these are the ones that will
get you.
But on here the second one downthis woman, laura Ashley, laura
Ashley, I think that Laura,laura Nina sorry, laura Nina she
does this 10 minute rant on whythey lie.
It is the best, best thing everas far as that, and so those

(01:20:59):
videos there to me are worth, uh, worth their weight in gold,
and there's a lot of them.
So you know, that's, uh, thatthe hardest thing you know I
agree with matt is um is isgetting people to actually
listen, uh, to the answers,because we have answers for all
of them.
So there really is, um, therereally is no hard question there

(01:21:21):
.
Lots of times we say we don'tknow what is the sun, how far is
it?
Is it?
We don't know.
Well, flat earthers say it's 3000 miles away and 30 miles
across.
Some say that I think it's way,way closer.
I think it's closer than thesun that we see.
I don't think it's physical, Ithink it's way closer, um, but
that's a whole nother thing.
We can't touch it, we can'tmeasure it, we can't triang.
Think it's way closer, butthat's a whole nother thing.
We can't touch it, we can'tmeasure it.
We can't triangulate it.

(01:21:42):
We can't explore Antarctica, wedon't need to to prove the
earth is flat.
That is easy.
Everything measures flat.
Everything measures flat, right, it's just angles to stars is
how they made the globe, right.
You're standing under Polaris, Ithink I showed you before.
So there's a point you move 50miles away and now Polaris is at
a little bit of an angle.
You draw a circle around thatcenter point.

(01:22:04):
You go farther away, you draw abigger circle, you go farther
away.
You get to the point where youcan't see Polaris anymore.
They say that's the equator.
And they take all those circles, they wrap them around the ball
and they say the South does thesame thing.
But it doesn't.
When you start looking into theSouth and plane flights and
everything, the South actuallygets bigger and bigger and
bigger.
And there's so much evidence ofthat.
There's hours worth of evidenceand I tell people, if you're

(01:22:30):
interested, go to my website, goto go on the app.
On the app, if you just hit theweb button, there's a button
called Dave's interviews, calledinterviews.
Right here, bam and I have.
There's over 1300 interviewsthere, I think, and if you just
follow them and take the timeand listen and think, it will

(01:22:50):
change your life.
It'll change your life forever.
It changed mine, changed Matt'sand it changed yours.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
Yeah, it did.

Speaker 4 (01:22:59):
It put my mind into a completely different direction,
and I'm thankful for that,thank you, that's all you, man,
I think something that Davebrings up and his app solves
this is the fact that, first ofall, people weren't taught the
globe, they were programmed withthe globe.
So you're not trying to justunlearn knowledge, you're
literally trying to help themunlearn something that they feel

(01:23:20):
like is a part of them.
You know, like the, thepatriotic idea of landing on the
moon, like that's some of thestuff.
Yeah, it's part of theiridentity, right, and so one it's
tough to find the correctinformation when you go on
YouTube, which is why you needDave's app, because Dave's app
is literally a flat earthapproved app that only has
genuine flat earth content,right?

(01:23:42):
So people have to unlearn theglobe, and then you have to
unlearn them this idea that welive on a flat, square shaped
rock in the middle of the solarsystem that you could just sail
off of into the emptiness ofspace.
So like there's like a doubleunprogramming, because not only
are you programmed with theglobe, you're also programmed
with the false version of theflat earth, and so that's why

(01:24:05):
Dave's app is so great, becauseyou can get in there and
actually get some info.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
Thank you, Dave.
I know you got to go soon.
I have a question from a fan Ifyou guys are willing to field
that you have absolutely 100,100, all right and I told him
that I was gonna uh, you know, Iwas gonna highlight his, his
twitter, because I think that'sfair.
Okay, this is facing reality atuh for people on the podcast at

(01:24:31):
erwin jansen's four and erwinwanted to know here, let me see
here.
Yeah, he said I want to askDave how he feels about all the
newcomers, a lot of reallybrilliant minds that have
entered the space, and he talksabout Alan Toby Shane, crypto

(01:24:54):
Keys, aka Sacred and Proud.
I don't know if you know whothose people are I know every
single one of them.
That's amazing.
But he says, uh, what he says,how do you feel about those
folks?
And then he asks what could hedo and what could your community
do to combine, uh, to combineyour powers and reach, to, I
guess, spread your message.

Speaker 3 (01:25:13):
Essentially, you know it's all about joining forces.
They want to divide, divide,divide.
They divide us by countries,sports teams, political parties,
everything you know.
Anti-crypto, crypto just.
They want us fighting races.
You know systemic racism isfalse.
They just they're creating it.
They want us divided becausedivided they win.
You know, divide and conquer,right, if we just come together.

(01:25:33):
Like you know, those guysSacred.
He's got a thing called ontwitter space on fridays called
uh, flat earth fridays.
It goes through the night intosaturdays and um, they, they
entertain people coming aboardtelling their stories and they
love it when globers come on andthey have really interesting
conversations.
I've been uh, do it jump,jumping on that a lot.

(01:25:54):
So look for that flat earthfridays on twitter space um and
uh, and you'll go there.
What can, can we do?
We can all work together, likewhen there's another flat
earther, jaron great flatearther.
I don't agree with some of thethings that he says.
That makes us better, by theway.
Okay, because we can work offeach other, right.
We all know the ball isridiculous, but we have.

(01:26:16):
Some of us have different ideas, but that's okay, cause we're
trying to figure this thing out.
It's okay to to to disagree.
There's other people that sayyou know that there's some.
There's a group now that saysthe earth is rising upwards
ridiculous, right, but they havethe right to say that.
Just here's the thing.
The truth is the truth andit'll never change.
A lie can only live in yourmind, right?

(01:26:38):
So the truth side has themassive advantage.
Right, we are at the center ofcreation.
They don't want us to know thatour thoughts create our reality
.
Look at your life, brandon.
Guess what?
It's your fault?
It's the way that you think,right, no matter what it is good
or bad, it's your fault becausethat's the way you think, right
, your thoughts literally createyour reality and people don't

(01:27:00):
know that.
Like, if people are afraid ofbeing broke, they're going to be
broke, right, you know?
And that's saying oh okay, I'mgoing to be rich and stuff.
You have to actually manifestyour life and it and it works,
matt, look at your life, right,you're crazy.
I mean that Matt, Matt goes.
You know I want 10 kids.
Where are you at 12 now?
Okay, we're almost there.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
Yeah, Modern day Genghis Khan, except with with
one wife.

Speaker 3 (01:27:27):
Matt figured you know .
And so here's the thing Ifyou're a flat earther, help
other people find the truth,because what's the greatest
thing that happened to changeyour life?
It's usually discovering thefalse reality and unplugging
from it.
So help somebody else do that.
That's a godly thing to do.
Help somebody else see thetruth.
And then when they see thetruth, you draw the line right
there.
You say now you know there's acreator.

(01:27:49):
Your relationship with thecreator is your own business.
Right, you can set an examplefor them.
Matt sets a great example.
I set my example, and that'sthat's where I kind of draw the
line and I say you know that nowyou see it.
And then move on.
Matt has a different uh formatfor making new flat earthers.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
He just makes new flat earthers, okay kids, kiddos
, yeah, yeah, soccer teams, yeah, whole soccer teams of them.
Um, well, guys, uh incredible,uh incredible podcast here.
I think we could have gonelonger.
I got so many differentquestions.

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
We haven't even started.
We haven't even started.
Maybe we'll do round two.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
Yeah, we do round two and you know, for the audience
out here, you guys could sitthere and you can listen to some
comedian be stupid for two orthree hours on a podcast, or you
can listen to some flat WallStreet guy talk about technical
analysis.
But you got a very, veryinteresting podcast today and I
hope I presented it in such away that allowed these guys to

(01:28:45):
talk about their perspectives,share their opinions on this, so
you can get an actual idea.
And, dave, you were talkingabout something a second ago.
We're going to cut this offhere.
But when you get in aconversation with these people,
they don't ask you questions tounderstand.
They ask you questions to paintyou in a box.
They try to put you in a box andthat's like with anybody that

(01:29:07):
disagrees with somebody.
These days that's the techniquethat kind of happens, and I
wish we had more of a Socraticmethod, where we ask a question
because we don't understand andwe just we want clarification on
that.
I hope that, hope that peoplecan do that more and I hope that
this podcast kind of helps outwith that.
So here we one thing.

Speaker 3 (01:29:24):
One last thing I want to say is for those people that
are like God, this is stupid,you're still here, that's great,
you know.
And if you're here and youthink it's stupid, awesome, come
collect your six bitcoins.
If you think it's stupid, youshould be able to come up with
one.
I'm not asking for 100 proofs,I'm asking for one globe proof.

(01:29:45):
Right, and you could.
You can email me info at theFlutter podcast dot com, but I
recommend please watch a bunchof these videos first, please
watch crash course videos firstand please check the FAQs before
you send me your same oldquestion that I get a hundred
times.
You know seasons, whatever,it's all answered there and once
you do that, everything changes.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
Love it.
Well, guys, this is the BrandonDavis show.
Do not like, comment orsubscribe, and the only thing we
aim to change is your mind.
Guys, thank you so much forcoming out here.

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
See ya All right.

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