August 31, 2024 • 61 mins
In this episode, I sit down with Landy Peek, a success coach for OT and PT entrepreneurs. We dive deep into the unique challenges therapists face personally and professionally. Landy and I work with similar clients in different ways and we share some of thedifferent ways that we use our backgrounds as therapists in working with the clinicians we coach. We talk about somatic practices, acceptance and commitment therapy, and other ways we help therapists get unstuck.
We also discuss the importance of balancing our professional responsibilities with personal wellbeing, and the sometimes overlooked power of group support and shared stories in fostering growth. Landy opens up about her journey from occupational therapist to coaching, her move to Colorado, and the value she places on authenticity, bravery, and embracing one's true self.
You'll hear practical strategies for tackling overwhelm and realigning with your values, as well as candid insights into the bravery it takes to step into something new. Whether you're a therapist, a coach, or someone on a personal growth journey, this conversation is filled with just the nuggets you need.
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To connect with Landy, you can visit her website LandyPeek.com where you can find links to her Facebook and Instagram profiles as well as her free resources.
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And I see it as therapists, as I'mworking with them, a lot of them are
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kind of keeping this container of I'mokay, but I'm not going to extremely
excel and be who I want to be andbe that superpower of ourselves.
And we are our own superpower.
And it's really letting ourselvesbe like, I can be my superpower.
Because just being you is going toattract people who are like you.
Like attracts like.
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And you're going to find yourtribe by really being you.
And you're going to have ahell of a lot more fun in life
doing that.
But it's hard if that's notyour, how you were brought up.
Yes.
We were brought up to reallysuppress the reality of things
and, oh, and dull your shine.
I so feel that it's been amazing to metoo how many big problems can be solved
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after trying to tease them out and pullthem apart and look at it from all angles.
And the answer very often in theconversations I'm having with people,
the coaching conversations or peerconversations is to be more yourself,
like lean more fully into you.
And it resolves a lot of thestuff that's haunting people.
It's the, clarity in your business.
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Okay, well, if I can build a businessaround exactly who I am, the right
people will easily come to me and Inever have to try to be anything else.
Like how easy is that?
100%.
Yes.
Yes.
you're listening to the BraveOT Podcast with me, Carlyn Neek.
This podcast is all about empoweringoccupational therapists to step up,
level up, blaze some trails, and maybeengage in a little conscious rebellion.
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In service of our profession, ourclients, our work, our businesses,
and living our mission wholeheartedly.
We are all about keepingit real, doing hard things.
Things unhustling, being curious,exploring, growing through our
challenges, and finding joy,fulfillment, and vitality as we do so.
Really, we're OT ingourselves, and each other.
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I hope you love this episode!
I have a confession to make, and Ihope that sharing this confession
with you helps you to see thatI'm truly walking the talk.
So just as I encourage therapybusiness owners that I coach to adjust
their pace, tend to their needs,and make sure that they are running
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their business to add fulfillment totheir life rather than having their
business run their life, I do this too.
Landy and I recorded this conversationalmost exactly a year ago, after the
OTs and Pelvic Health Summit 2023.
We were energized by being ona panel together at this live
event, and by the fact that we dosimilar work in different ways.
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We had this conversation, and thenlife piled up, business piled up,
and I had to slow down the paceof my podcast episode releases.
I had recorded many episodes lastspring and summer, and getting
them out every three to fourweeks was the pace I could handle.
Here's the thing.
That's okay.
Actually, it's more than okay.
It's why I started my business.
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So that I could be flexible and adjust tomy needs, the needs of the people I love.
Let me assure you, thisconversation is just as relevant
today as it was a year ago.
In this episode, I sit downwith Landy Peek, a success coach
for OT and PT entrepreneurs.
We dive deep into the uniquechallenges therapists face
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personally and professionally.
Landy and I share some different waysthat we use our backgrounds as therapists.
In working with our coaching clients.
We talk about somatic practices,acceptance and commitment therapy, and
other ways we help therapists get unstuck.
We also discuss the importanceof balancing our professional
responsibilities with personal wellbeing.
How fitting!, and the sometimesoverlooked power of group support and
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shared stories in fostering growth.
Landy opens up about her journey fromoccupational therapist to coaching,
her move to Colorado, and the valueshe places on authenticity, bravery,
and embracing one's true self.
You'll hear practical strategies fortackling overwhelm and realigning
with your values, as well ascandid insights into the bravery it
takes to step into something new.
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journey, this conversation is filledwith just the nuggets you need.
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Landy thank you so much forbeing here on my podcast.
I've been looking forward to this.
Yay.
Thank you so much for having me.
I'm so excited to continueconversations with you because I
absolutely adore talking to you.
Oh, I'm so gratefulthat we got to connect.
Lindsey Vestal introduced us when we werepreparing to be on a panel together at the
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OTs in Pelvic Health Summit in Phoenix.
And it was so great to meet you in person.
I know it was so fun to have thatvirtual relationship and then actual
in person and that happened witha lot of people at that summit.
So it's so neat to see peoplein full body and be able to have
that interaction versus just zoom.
But it was fun to bethere on a panel together.
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And we had so many things that overlapin what we talk about and how we
support people, but also such differentviewpoints around the same topic.
So it's fun to just diveinto those conversations.
Totally, and I think that's when we thinkabout even therapeutic modalities, right,
that quite often people need a varietyof approaches to solve their problems.
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And similarly, you and I respect eachother's perspective on things, we
offer some different tools and peoplecould take a little bit of this and a
little bit of that and mix it togetherin their own custom way and that
works.
Absolutely.
Because we're all, we eachhave our own different nervous
system, different experiences.
So we're going to be attractedto different types of modalities,
different ways that we're working withpeople, different ways that we work
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with ourselves and think and respond.
And so yeah, the more tools that youhave, the more availability that you
have to find something that works foryou and then do more of what works
for you and less of what doesn't.
And that's really going to get momentum.
Well, first, tell us alittle bit more about you.
Yeah, so, Landy Peek, I am a success coachfor OT, PT entrepreneurs, and I'm also a
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mom of two, and a chicken lover, I havebackyard chickens, um, live in Colorado,
love to hike, and be outside hiking,camping, all of that kind of stuff.
I'm an OT by background, started outas a peds therapist and then after my
second kiddo transitioned to pelvichealth to really support my own
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postpartum needs because I lived in arural area without a pelvic therapist.
So when I was struggling, I had the,luckily, degree that could get me the
training to start helping my body.
Oh, smart.
In that,
I was like, oh my gosh, this is magicand fell in love with pelvic health.
Yeah.
In that journey, I realized themajority of my public health
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clients were struggling with trauma.
And so
really dove into somatic experiencingto support my clients around trauma
and began having other therapists say,oh, can you work with me too on that?
Oh, this is something that isreally, I'm hitting a block.
There's something I know that Iwant to do something different or
shift, but there's a block here.
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And so really stepped big intothe mental health and then
stepped into coaching from there.
So it's been a lovely journeyas each step has built upon the
next to get me where I am today.
I love that.
So currently your OT clinicalpractice isn't active.
Is that correct?
Yes.
I moved to Colorado a year ago andin the move decided not to start a
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new clinical practice as my coachingbusiness was really overtaking my time.
And I only want to workduring school hours.
So I'm not
looking to expand past that becauseI love my family time as well.
So this gave me that greatbalance and I absolutely love
working with the therapists.
Their so much fun.
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And it's just really neat to beable to see the really monumental
shifts people make in their lives.
As you're with a therapist, theirnervous systems are at a different
level than in that acute somethingis wrong with my body area.
And
so we go further, we go deeper, there'sbigger transitions, and there's that
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ripple effect of you're supporting thetherapist who then is supporting all
of those clients, who is then impactingtheir community and their families,
and it's like, whoa, this is huge.
So it's really funworking with a therapist.
I love working with therapists toobecause there's, like there's a
difference in a mental health clientthat's coming to you perhaps they're
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funded in some way for your serviceor somebody told them they should see
you or have to see you in some casesin my work with return to work stuff.
And it's a different game when it'sa therapist who's invested, right?
They're actually putting money on thetable to say, hey, I am doing okay.
I'd like to do better.
And they're just like, they runwith it and that's really exciting.
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It is.
And it's that sweet spot where asa clinical therapist, I was working
with people who were struggling to getto that place where they were okay.
And so they're at that survival.
Like I'm finally feeling like I'msurviving that next level in that
coaching is the survival to thriving.
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It's I'm good and I want great.
Yes.
It's that difference in they reallywant this because this is something
that they see as a value and it'sgoing to shift things in our life
instead of like, I really needthis because I just can't function.
Yeah.
And that next step,
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it's just fun to work with.
Yeah.
What do you think about, because thework of helping the people who are
in survival mode, who are trying toget to okay, is really important.
And it's rewarding and we pull out a wholedifferent set of tools for those people.
And I still see them.
And I'm really glad I do, but there isthat sense like I think, I don't know,
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maybe it's my own perception or, my ownkind of little neg in the back of my head,
but that sense that, are you really doingthe real work of making a difference if
you're only working with these people?
I know I have a way that I, conceptualizethat and feel really good about it.
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But what are your thoughts on it?
I'm really excited to hear you bringthat up because it's like, oh, I'm not
the only one that has struggled with it.
And as I've helped my own coachingclients step into coaching or
different ways to serve people
it is a common thing when people docome with this, I mean, I was working
with significant trauma before Istepped into coaching and I was doing
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it like we had a private practice anda coaching practice, but you're working
with people who really, really need helpand are really struggling and I had a
huge value in that is actually serving.
And how can I be serving if Iam working with somebody that
doesn't desperately need my help?
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This is that I want the icing on the cake.
I want my life to be better,but it's already good.
How do you justify stepping into that?
And for me, it was lookingat that ripple effect.
Yes.
Looking at, in helping the therapist
I have a greater impact in the worldthan if I'm helping that client.
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Because I have my caseload of therapistsand each of those therapists then have a
caseload of their own clients, and they'realso in the community, and they have a
family, and so you're impacting this hugenetwork then, being that clinician that
is supporting therapists versus the oneon one, and both have value, and both
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are needed, but I really allowed myselfto step into, I am creating a bigger
ripple effect, supporting that therapist.
And also knowing that that therapistdoes need a lot of support because as
therapists, we have a lot of stress.
We have a lot riding on our shouldersand many of us are stepping into our
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caseload and we are holding space andwe are holding that healing energy
for our clients, which is a lot.
And then we are also holding space forour families and being in our communities.
And you look at like, wow, the typicaltherapist has a lot going on in their life
and they need someone to support them.
And that was a big shift and like,okay, they really do need someone
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to support them and being thatsupport and seeing what that support
does with my coaching clients.
It's phenomenal where it's like, okay, Inow can help hold 10 percent of that load
for that therapist and they can then stepin and do something bigger or different
or even see things differently becausemost of my coaching is asking questions.
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I had a client earlier and she reallywas coming up against a problem.
And I said, okay, it's likelooking at the trunks of a tree.
Like all you see is the trunk.
It feels very big.
It feels like you're stuck.
What if you just shift and lookfrom an eagle's view, you're still
looking at the tree, you're justlooking at a different perspective
and just putting that out there.
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She was like, oh my gosh, newpoint of view, and she came up
with it, but it was just thatguidance of shift that is so big.
I'm
curious, as I turn the question toyou, what is that justification in
really supporting the therapist?
How are you seeing thatvalue and stepping into that?
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It's very much the same.
It's the ripple effect, and Iwork in mental health as well.
And so there's that sense that I havefelt the weight of holding tenderly,
and holding space empathetically forpeople's most painful experiences.
And that can, you know, as much aswe have boundaries and things like
that, it can still feel really heavy.
It's a lot of responsibilityand I cherish the honor.
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I am grateful for it, but it alsoallows me to do it in just that
right amount that I don't have tospend all day, every day doing that.
That I can do the amount that issustainable for me and my mental
health, and I can have that rippleeffect with the therapists who are
going out and impacting the world.
Especially in this kind of COVID,
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I don't even think we can say postpandemic at this point I think all
the numbers are picking up again,but there's just been so much stress
and so much change, and I found toothat the, a lot of my friends, a lot
of my therapist friends, OTs, PTs,psychologists, they held it together
pretty well through the crisis part of thepandemic, that first kind of year or two.
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And it was sort of, as we werein 2023, that the wheels started
falling off because we all wentrunning in, we're helpers, right?
Running in, we're going to help.
And then that just becamenot sustainable, right?
Our nervous systems aren't setup for persistent ongoing stress.
We're set up for acute periodsof stress and recovery.
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And so I found that, yeah, a lotof people's mental health, a lot
of therapists mental health havebeen struggling more in the last
several months and they need us
now
more
than
ever.
Absolutely.
And just bring in that light that Ifyou are struggling, it's really common
and we don't talk about the struggle.
I think too, as therapists, we havethis set that we need to be the leader.
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We need to be the guide.
We need to be okay so that we cansupport those that are not okay.
And we don't always talk about,it's okay to not be okay, and
you can still support others.
Like, you can have your whole freakout, you can feel stressed, and still
be there for others and strengthen.
And it makes you more human,and it makes you more relatable.
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And absolutely, it is important toget that support, so that you can
continue supporting without burning out.
Yes.
Because that's a huge part of burnoutis really going full in and not
listening to what your own needs are.
I remember I was sitting in myown therapist's office one day and
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she was in problem solving mode.
She was like, well, what if you did this?
And what about that?
And what about this?
And I was sort of in, well, yeah,I don't think I could like, that's
workable for me right now, or I don'tthink I can logistically I can't,
like I've got a lot of responsibility.
I can't drop things and go do whatyou're suggesting or what have you.
And then she gave me a coaching questionand it was like, okay, no problem.
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Like I get it.
What are you willing to do in orderto keep doing the work you do?
In order to be able to keepdoing the work that you do?
And I was like, mic drop, right?
Like in order for me to keepgoing, I need to choose something.
And it's an interesting kind of shift fromsolver to coach to kind of go, yeah, so
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how are you going to solve this problem?
I'm here to help you, but there'sthis go or no go spot, and it's your
responsibility without saying it like
that.
Exactly.
Yes, absolutely.
I had a client that was, I mean,she's an incredible human being
and she's doing so much for hercommunity, but she's doing so much.
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And so she was really stressedand she's a physiotherapist.
And so I said, okay, let'sput everything on the plate.
What do you all have onyour plate right now?
And how heavy does that feel?
And she's like, oh my gosh, it's so heavy.
What can go?
And she's like, nothing.
I'm like, okay.
And two weeks later, she Voxers me.
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Because I use Voxer in my coaching andshe's like, okay, I get what you're
saying, and I now know what needsto go and there was the wants and
the needs and she wanted to do allof this big community outreach, but
looking at that's not sustainable.
Yeah.
And so, what can we pare backand instead of like taking
things necessarily off the plate.
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We also can shrink the plate, so youcan still do some, but not at the
biggest capacity that you can do.
It's like, you know, when you'regoing to a buffet, you're getting
a smaller plate, you're going tostill enjoy everything, but you're
not going to overwhelm yourself.
Yeah.
Same thing in life.
Let's shrink the plate a little bit orsee what needs to come off if that's okay.
Yeah.
But
it's those questions that turn back,I think are so powerful when you
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as the client, as the person whois looking to change your life is
coming up with the deep answers.
Yeah.
You need someone else askingthose questions so that you
have a shift of perspective.
And that's why I have a therapist.
It's why I have a coach because Ineed somebody asking me those too.
And I also need someone likewhen things are feeling big and
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heavy to go, okay, this is okay.
It's totally like common to haveall of the stress coming in.
What do you need to shift?
How do you need to look at it different?
How are you not stepping intothe person that you want to be?
A lot of my work is you have to have thatidentity of the person that you want, the
life you want to create before you createit, or you're just going to keep creating
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those same patterns that you have.
So my coach is askingyou those same questions.
And are you being thatperson that you want to be?
And in what ways are you not?
And that's like the aha momentsof like, oh, okay, I really want,
and I say I want whatever it is,but I'm not stepping into that.
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I'm not being, having that self integrityfor my word of even working out.
You know, I'm going to work,get up and work out every day.
If I don't, then I'm notbeing integral to my word.
So it's like, okay, that'smy goal for the next morning.
Even if it's 10 minutes I'm goingto make sure I do that and that's
the shift, but it's somebody tappinginto and asking you those questions
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so that you can get a better ideaof what's going on inside of you.
I like that.
I want to go back to this being thing,but first I wanted to say I love the plate
analogy because I find that a lot of thetherapists I work with, like therapists
who've chosen to become entrepreneurstend to be pretty ambitious, right?
They tend to be achievers.
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They've got things they want to do.
They've got brilliant ideas andthings to share with the world.
And it's hard to see thatthey can't do it all at once.
And so there's that senseof, yeah you can do it all.
It's just maybe not all right now, likein this season, which things can you do?
And so often there needs tobe some sort of boundary set.
And I know for me, it oftenis I do not work on Fridays.
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So that's one boundary andI don't work after four.
That's another boundary.
Sometimes I'll work a long, long daystarting early, but being able to kind
of shrink the plate that, okay, well, ifI, if it can't, if it has to fit in, it
has to fit in here, there's no more room.
And also that self discovery oflike, here's, I talk so much about
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planting the seed and that's a job.
I think it's a job as a therapist and it'sa job as a coach is to plant those seeds
and allow people to come and to let thoseideas grow at their own space and place.
Because if you're not ready,you're not going to hear it.
If you're not ready, you can'tpush somebody into something.
And looking as a therapist, workingwith clients, if you have a client
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that's just not making progress.
Sometimes it's that identity of, I am hurtor broken, and I get something from that.
I get support from family.
I get empathy from family thatmaybe I haven't gotten before.
So maybe I subconsciouslydon't want to let that go.
And they hold on to that so they don'tdo the homework and they don't do the
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things that we want them to do and theydon't make progress because subconsciously
they're getting something from that
space of being hurt.
It's the same for us as therapists.
You know,
we cling to things because it'sfilling a need in some way, or it's
filled a need in the past in some way.
And we just haven't updated to get to,oh, this is no longer working in my life.
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It was really functional at onepoint, but it's no longer working.
But it
takes that outside person to reallyplant that seed and say, huh, I wonder
if this is still working for you.
I wonder if you are getting somebenefit from being in this space, even
though you say you want that change,what are you getting from being here?
Because we're getting something if we're
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staying in that same space.
And if we're looking at it that way,then it's like, oh, okay, this is okay.
It is giving me something.
It's okay to side note, you know,it's not functional anymore.
But then you have a lot of empathy foryourself instead of berating yourself
for not getting up and working out.
It's like, oh, what is this giving me?
This is giving me something.
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That's okay.
I can be soft and kind to myself.
And then I can decideto shift when I'm ready.
So how do you approach that with peoplewhere there's this an outdated operating
system that keeps kind of coming, peekingup and this thing that goes way back.
You don't even believe in it anymore.
You don't even agree with it anymore.
You don't want it as partof how you're operating.
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You do everything to tryand not be that person.
often it's around worthinessor often money too.
So that sense of, well, you justhave to work a little harder
than everybody else, right?
How do you help people with thosethings where it's not at the forefront.
They don't actually believe it anymore,but it's just an old pattern that keeps
creeping back in.
Yes.
So working with the subconscious andour subconscious creates something
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like 95 percent of our reality.
And it is because it's comingback to that old programming.
And, let's see if I can think ofthe stat now, but, I think the
subconscious creates your answersomething like seven seconds before your
conscious brain creates that answer.
So if you have a problem, you'relooking at your subconscious has
already figured out the answer beforeyou've rationalized through it.
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And that's why we have all thatold patterning coming back up
because we're responding to thesubconscious, even though we can
consciously go, okay, this should bethis, and this is going to be this.
And I'm going to do this.
Yeah.
And if you don't have thatinner identity to back what your
conscious brain is creating.
You're going to derail to thatsubconscious pattern and those old
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life patterns So when I'm workingwith clients I'm really getting
curious about what are those patterns?
And so we're diving into what are thosesubconscious beliefs and patterns so
that we can identify them and be reallyclear on oh, I think this is still here.
And then there was a couple of differentways that I work with clients and it
depends on the client's nervous system.
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It depends on who theyare and what they like.
So whether it's diving into some hypnosisor some rapid resolution therapy, or I'm
going back and doing some inner childwork, it really depends on what's coming
up with the client and what feels good.
Because I've had clients that arelike, I'm not open to hypnosis.
We're not going to go there because you'renot going to get benefit if it's not
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something that feels safe and comfortable.
And so it's looking at coming towhat are those outdated beliefs.
And then who do you want to be inthis life that you want to create?
So if you want to be an entrepreneurbut you are a therapist now, and your
identity is a therapist, you have toshift to, I see myself as an entrepreneur,
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I see myself as a business person, Isee myself as a marketer, I see myself
in all of those roles, and I have thatinner identity, or you're going to keep
working as a therapist, banging yourhead, trying to create a business, but
you're not thinking like a business owner.
So I'm looking at the subconsciousbeliefs that are just the blocks for
the specific things they're looking at.
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Because we can go through and look atall of our programming and we'll get lost
in the programming and go, oh my gosh.
There's a lot of stuff.
And I think sometimes in therapy, wego there where we start going down
a, well this is an issue and thisis an issue and this is an issue.
But is that issue reallyimpacting where you want to go?
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Because you can let that old programmingjust be there if it's not impacting
what you currently want to do.
So it's finding the subconscious beliefsthat specifically are blocking that
progress that you want to make, knowingwho you need to be, and then working
backwards to talk to the subconscious andsay, oh, how are we going to shift this?
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You know, what is that outdated story?
And sometimes it's as simple as.
I don't want to say logically, butshowing the story and the pattern to
the person and kind of those thoughtbusters as you're coming through.
And sometimes it's coming throughand sometimes it's even using a story
of someone else and saying they canlook at it through somebody else and
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go, oh my gosh, that's ridiculous.
And then link it back to them and they'relike, oh, well, if it's ridiculous
for them, it's ridiculous for me too.
And then you can shift it.
So there's so many ways to reallyshift that subconscious belief.
And it really comes down to the personand how we're going to tackle it.
So how about you?
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How do you shift it?
Well, I love that last bit you said thereabout telling the story of someone else.
And I definitely find thatthe power of my group.
So I've got a group of therapists who areworking together and sometimes they show
up on a call just going, I don't know whyI needed to be here, but I'm here today.
And I don't have a question.
I don't have a problem to bringto the table, but then they hear
somebody else's story and go,hot damn, that was what I needed
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to hear.
100%!
This is, I also have a group.
And this just happened in one of mygroups where the client, she's like, I
said maybe three words the whole time,but my world got rocked just listening
to what this other person had to say.
And I have found our deepest, darkestsecrets, the things that we think are
like, oh my gosh, nobody can know aboutthis are the most common struggles.
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And when we start diving into, and youhear that, there is social healing.
As we are going through and hearingother people's stories, we sometimes
connect the dots within ourselvesthat we never would have connected
if we had not heard that story.
There is that power in that group.
But absolutely, sometimes sittingand hearing you're like, aha,
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and this now makes sense andI've got it and let's shift it.
But you wouldn't have gottenthere if you hadn't heard it.
And I think that's such, sucha powerful thing in group.
And I think as therapists,sometimes with our clients, we're
not really valuing the group.
We're so into, it needs to be one onone and we lose sight of that social
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healing and having that value of beingable to, not only hear I'm not the only
one but hear a different perspectivethat connects so deeply to yours.
You're like, ah, that makes sense.
And I can shift it because I'veheard someone else go through it.
Yes.
And you can see people who are alittle further down the road in
their transformation, you can see howpeople are practically implementing
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these things, which ways that like,even we've had great conversations
in my group around setting boundariesin your auto reply on your email.
And people are like, oh my gosh,I never thought to do that, but
sort of giving yourself space togo, hey, I don't reply right away.
Exactly.
And it's huge, but thoseboundaries are huge.
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And I think there is that lovelyjourney that you get to watch
and you see those people that arejust a few steps ahead of you.
If I want to grow my business to thatlevel, if I want to do this in my
life, I start watching for those rolemodels and start really analyzing,
okay, so what are they doing?
How are they interacting with the world?
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And I think in those nice groups,you have more of that visibility
instead of like social stalkingsomebody, you have that ability to
say, okay, so how are you doing this?
And what does this look like?
And as this is unfolding, and thenyou also have the resource of that
person within the group that you canask questions and they can give you
that encouragement and say, oh mygosh, I was there three months ago
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and this is how it unfolded for me.
And it gives you that constant motivationthat you can do it, that this, you know,
you see someone else and you're like,and I always believe if the universe
shows you something it's not to make youjealous is to say, see, it's for you too.
You can do this too.
Somebody else did this.
And within that group network,
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you get
to see that and say, okay, this ispossible for me too, because they did it.
And you have some, I think more rapidgrowth because you have those visuals
and all of the other sensory stuff thatcomes in and just being with other humans.
Totally.
That really supports your own growth.
Yeah, for sure.
So you were asking me actuallyhow I address some of those things
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where that little ghost comes backup to haunt you and you're like,
I thought I was done with this.
And I love what you were saying there too.
Because I do quite often approach itfrom more of a, okay that can come up,
but you still get to choose your action.
And so it aligns morewith, how do I need to be?
How do I need to show up?
How do I, so what's important here?
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What's my value?
Yep.
I can have this little nigglythought come up and go, yeah, right.
Okay.
Thanks.
Thanks the ghost of Christmas pastor whatever you want to call it.
I'm going to choose my action anyhow,like that kind of thought coming up or
that emotion coming up doesn't need tocontrol my behavior and so I work using
a lot of acceptance commitment therapyACT to unhook from those things so
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they're not controlling our behavior.
And people can make values-alignedchoices in their actions.
And I think though, there's alsoan element of, that unconscious
that ACT doesn't address.
And so I know for me, I've got allthe ACT tools in the world and I don't
get too hooked by those things, butman, I'd like them to not keep coming
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up and getting in the way before Inotice them or that sort of thing.
And so I love how you're talking aboutaddressing them at a nervous system
level, yeah, talking about somaticexperience or I also, I do accelerated
resolution therapy as well, but Ihaven't incorporated in coaching.
So that is interesting.
Yeah.
Which for people who don't know, there'san eye movement, kind of a cousin of EMDR
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working at this at a nervous system levelwhere you can reprogram some of those
stories or images in the case of ART, buthadn't thought to bring it to my coaching.
Yeah, it's so fun.
And I love how you tap into values.
I have a huge module and focus in mygroup program around values because
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one of the biggest trip ups in mypersonal and professional life was I
was trying to work and create a businessthat was misaligned with my values.
And so it is now such a thingthat I bring awareness to.
So one of my big values is freedom.
And I like to have my ownfreedom and my own choices.
And I don't like to be contained and toldwhat I wanted to do or what I should do.
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Motherhood
was a huge challenge for me.
Because I lost a lot of freedombecause you have this little
being that you no longer caneven shower on your own schedule.
So it's like, oh my gosh.
And then I'm trying to grow abusiness and I'm not doing the
actions that I knew would help me.
Because I felt like if I took thatstep, I would lose more freedom.
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And since I was growing my business,really, when I was starting into
motherhood, I had two things thatfelt like they were taking my freedom.
And so in being aware of like,oh, this is a huge value.
How do I A, support myself as amother in getting myself freedom?
Babysitters were huge.
I hired her nanny that I love andtrust and my kids still talk about her.
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But it gave me space whereit wasn't just work hours.
It was, I can have some mehours that she can cover too.
And then in my business growing it so itreally, you know, tuned into my values
in that I was looking at how can Icreate a business that gave me freedom.
And when I was feeling blocked,coming back to, is this butting
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up against one of my values?
And if it is, what can I do to shift it?
So that either the business shiftsor I look at, is this value still
aligned with who I want to be?
And I can look at, do I needto reprioritize my values?
But I love that you tap into it.
Cause I think it's an, it's a hiddenblocker for so many therapists.
And if we're not in tune with our values,we continually hit up against the wall
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and we're not looking at oh this is why.
And sometimes it's such an easyshift, but we never see it.
Totally.
So often when a person, it feels reallyreactive to a situation, it's because
it's highlighting a value that's beingcompromised and it's trying to figure
out how to do the opposite of that.
Stop reacting.
So you can pause, slow down the reaction,so you can figure out what it is.
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What's that feeling there to tell you?
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah.
I think the biggest like reactor fora lot of parents is that respect.
Yeah.
And like I need to be respected.
And then when you feel at alldisrespected and in personal lives
with partners and parents and all ofthat, then it has that big reaction.
You know, I'm angry because I don'tfeel respected, but it's, what is this?
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What am I really upset about?
is it that I'm not beingrespected or is there something
bigger or different in line?
Yeah.
And
it's like, okay, so what am I, andthis is one of the things, like I
really talk with my clients aroundis looking at what's coming up.
And I had a client who did a reallylovely big public speech and she
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said she was walking out the doorand she had huge wash of anxiety
and as she had this wash of anxiety
she stopped and she's like, Iheard your voice in my head and I
turned and I said, what is this?
Because I think that's such a key questionto say, okay, so I'm being reactive.
What is this first?
But as she sat there, she's like,oh, this is a huge thing of anxiety.
And she's like, there's excitementthough, in there because I
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just did this big speech.
And there's a lot of energythat's coming from that.
There's also the fear of judgment becauseI just did this big speech and what
are people going to say about me now?
And then she just pulls out all of thisthing that she'd lumped as anxiety.
And she's like, oh wow,there's such a mix.
She's like, just being able to sitthere and go, oh, this is all it is.
She's like, then I could walk out.
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And I didn't spin my wheels and gointo, oh my gosh, all that judgment
and everything that kind of comes upsometimes when we put ourselves out
there, instead it's like, what is this?
And what's really underlying that?
And then you can start deciding, isthis something I want to shift or not?
And don't you find that there's thatwork first too, for a lot of people of
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a negative feeling, I must erase it.
I must avoid it.
I must turn away.
I must distract all bad feelings are bad.
I'm going to make that feeling go away.
And if we can't sit with the feelingsand get curious, you can't sit
there and turn toward them and startto go, oh, what's actually here?
It's uncomfortable, especially if youhave a lifetime of avoiding feelings.
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But it's so key to be able to sit with itand get really curious and feel it all.
That is hard work, but it's important.
It is hard work.
But also knowing that it's okayto sit with all those feelings.
Because a lot of us grew upwhere it's not okay to be angry.
It's not okay to be sad.
It's not okay to, you know,
to be jealous about something.
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You should be more positive.
My little guys in kindergarten.
So you know, the you get whatyou get and you don't get upset.
I'm like, oh wait, no, we get upset.
You don't have to throw a fit overit, but we get upset and that's okay.
It's okay to feel that.
And that's what I want both as a clinicaltherapist and a coach, you to feel the
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breadth of emotions because that's,human that is ideal is to be able to feel
all the way down to the sadnessand all the way up to the bliss.
But that neither one of them takes overthat you have that flexibility that
if you go down to a deep sadness, youswing back up and you allow yourself
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go, oh my gosh, this is crushing.
Yeah.
But then it's temporary andyour nervous system can pull
you back into, okay, I'm okay.
I'm regulated those ups and those downs.
Same with the bliss we want youto go into those high spaces
and feel so incredibly amazing.
But I also want you to be able to regulateand come back down without a crash.
Because sometimes we hit the high ofthe highs and then we have that huge
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crash and it's where we withdraw andwe're like, oh my gosh, I did too much.
And whatever it is, it's coming up.
But we want to have that flow andthat flexible flow is ideal, but
we're not taught to have that.
We're not taught thatit's okay to have that.
But we want to really come into, it'sokay to feel, it's okay to cry, it's okay
to be upset, and it's okay to be happy.
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That was a hard one for me, is toallow myself to really be like,
oh, I see this a lot in therapists,
oh my gosh, life is amazing,because I wanted to tamp it down.
Because I don't want to hurt somebodyelse that is having a hard time by being
ecstatic and having a really amazing life.
And so I was toning down mywhole existence to try to be
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more empathetic to someone.
Approachable, yeah.
Exactly!
And I heard a quote and Ihave no idea where I heard it.
But you can't be poor enough, tomake the poor rich and it was in a
financial thing, but I'm like, ohmy gosh, I'm doing that emotionally.
I'm trying to keep myself so containedand I can't keep myself contained
enough to make someone who is reallydepressed or somebody who's going
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through a really traumatic event happy.
I can be happy and be in a better spaceto support them, but bringing myself
low is not going to make them happy.
And I see it as therapists, as I'mworking with them, a lot of them are
kind of keeping this container of I'mokay, but I'm not going to extremely
excel and be who I want to be andbe that superpower of ourselves.
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And we are our own superpower.
And it's really letting ourselvesbe like, I can be my superpower.
Because just being you is going toattract people who are like you.
Like attracts like.
And you're going to find yourtribe by really being you.
And you're going to have ahell of a lot more fun in life
doing that.
But it's hard if that's notyour, how you were brought up.
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Yes.
We were brought up to reallysuppress the reality of things
and, oh, and dull your shine.
I so feel that it's been amazing to metoo how many big problems can be solved
after trying to tease them out and pullthem apart and look at it from all angles.
And the answer very often in theconversations I'm having with people,
the coaching conversations or peerconversations is to be more yourself,
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like lean more fully into you.
And it resolves a lot of thestuff that's haunting people.
It's the, clarity in your business.
Okay, well, if I can build a businessaround exactly who I am, the right
people will easily come to me and Inever have to try to be anything else.
Like how easy is that?
100%.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
And it's huge.
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Just, it's hard and it's scary tobe your authentic self because,
at least my upbringing, therewas that like community judgment.
You better be this type of person and notact out because the whole community's,
and I grew up in a small, small town.
So like the whole communitydid know what I was doing.
If I skipped school, itgot home before I got home.
So there was that sense ofeverybody's watching everybody.
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So it's hard sometimes to be yourauthentic self because it feels
scary because it feels like arepeople really going to love me and
value me if I am authentically me?
yes, stepping into your authentic selfis absolutely going to resolve things.
That's also a reallyscary journey sometimes.
And so just knowing that and knowingthat there's people that will walk beside
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you and keep cheering you on and keepplanting seeds and keep asking questions
to make that journey easier is huge.
So good.
Yeah, there has to be a sense ofcoming to love and respect yourself
as you are.
Oh my gosh, I think that's,yeah, nail on the head.
That is number one, isyou have to value you.
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And once you value you there is apoint where you do just stop caring.
Not in a bad way, and like, I reallydon't care if I piss people off.
But in, I don't have that sense ofjudgment hanging over me anymore.
I really just want to be me,and just do the things that I
want to do in a supportive way.
I had the conversation inmy group the other day where
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I had said that to someone.
She's like, oh, but I can't do thatbecause I want to be a good mom
and part of being a good momand being a good therapist is
watching out for somebody else.
I can't just wholeheartedlylive my life for me.
It's like, no, we're not like,ignoring everybody else and
just like bulldozing through.
The heart of standing up and livingyour life for you and being your
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authentic self is if you're alreadykind, you're going to amplify being kind.
If you already have thosetraits, you're not erasing those.
You're just peeling off all of thelayers of bullshit that have been put on.
And allowing you to truly be you.
So we're not changing you.
We're just letting go of all thestuff that's no longer serving
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you so that you can be you.
And you don't have to worryabout somebody not liking you.
You're just going to amplify you.
And I think that's huge, is to givethe permission of like, you're not
going to turn people away, and youmight, because they might not be
aligned with you anymore, but thosearen't people in your tribe anyway.
But the people who absolutely adoreyou are still going to be there and
excited to see as you bloom even more.
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Oh, I love that.
This brings up a question.
I so in the coaching industry, there'sa lot of things I don't like in the non
therapist coaches, a lot of the way theycan use mindset work in a manipulative
sort of fashion that really bothers me.
It gets my nervous system all riled upbecause it's taking away from safety.
I've been on sales coaching calls whereit's like, well, your program is not
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overpriced, it's that they don't see thevalue, they don't value themselves enough.
And I see that at times where a personisn't valuing themselves enough to
invest in themselves., but sometimesit's a little bit weaponized too.
So there's this sense of needing tobelieve in yourself enough to invest
in yourself to hire the coach, to jointhe group, to invest in the resources
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that you need to start that business.
And I find that when there is that senseof self worth being problematic, that
can sometimes come out in, well that'stoo expensive or that sort of thing.
And that's not to say that everybody canafford the top end coaching programs.
that might not make financialsense for some people at the
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point that they're starting, butwhat's your experience with that?
Oh, yes, because, I am aligned withyou and I do a no pressure sale.
I'm not here to talk youinto working with me at all.
I'm here to say this ishow I can support you.
And I truly do believe that it ismy, duty to share how I can support
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someone as a therapist, as a coach,you don't know if I can help you
if I don't say I can help you.
It is then your choice whetheryou want to take that step or not.
And you can, I don't think there is atie to your self value and you valuing
yourself and spending that money.
I think there's fear there, but I don'tthink, and I think there are coaches out
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there that use that oh, you don't valueyourself enough to spend that money.
It's manipulative.
That's it is.
And that's BS because you can100 percent value yourself.
And I have sat in coaching callswith, potential coaches and I'm
like, no, I 100 percent value me.
What I don't feel is aligned.
Yeah.
And I think that's the biggest thing.
If you are not, and I'm like,I want a hell yes for people
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that are going to work with me.
If you're not, and I will flat outtell people, if you're not a hell
yes, this isn't the right time.
I'm not going anywhere, socome back and circle back.
And I've had people circleback three years later and
be like, okay now I'm ready.
But you're not ready.
And it's coming, it's lookingat your nervous system too.
We're not going to push anybody todo anything they're not ready to.
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Yeah.
Your nervous system isn'tat that space to work.
And there might be some subconsciousthings that are red flags.
Maybe spending thatmoney isn't feeling safe.
That doesn't have anythingto do with your value.
That's not feeling safe.
It's okay for it not to feel safe.
You'll come to a point whereyou're like, I'm going to risk
this and I'm okay with that risk.
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That's where I want you to be.
Not, I'm going to push this andfreak out because you're not going to
get the benefit of working together
if you were freaking out over themoney, it's not worth it and I, in
every single contract that I havewith my clients, it is, this is not
putting you, in any financial risk.
You are saying this is okay because Idon't want anybody to feel like they
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need to push themselves out of that box,risk financial to grow in different ways.
You can continue to grow withoutputting yourself in any financial risk.
100%.
There's a coach out there for youthat will absolutely support you.
You can do your own self work.
Absolutely.
There are going to be points inyour life where you're like, nope.
I want this.
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And because I want this, I'm ready todo a little bit of financial stretch.
I'm ready to push myself alittle bit, but I also know I'm
going to get gain from this.
And I think that's the sweet spot whenyou're signing with a coach is that you
want to have that confidence that yes,this might be pushing my boundaries.
Yes.
Not boundaries as in, that structure, butin like, this is pushing my comfort zone.
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This is pushing me.
out a little bit in growth.
This is scary, but I'm also confidentin myself that I can get that return
on investment in whatever way that isemotional growth or a financial growth.
But a hundred percent, if somebody ispushing you to sign and tapping into all
of those little trigger points, that'ssomebody to turn away from, because
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if they're getting you inthat way, they're going to
coach you in that way too.
And you're not goingto feel good and safe.
Honestly, to grow, you have to feel safe.
So it's why I work with thenervous system as well, because
we're creating that safety.
And then we're stepping in a pace.
Each person I work with is ontheir own individual journey.
Nothing is like cut and pasteblanket across the board because your
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experiences in your nervous systemare different from mine are different
from the other people in the program.
So we have to take itstep by step for you.
So you don't freak out like that's thegoal is you grow without the freak out.
Yeah.
I love it.
Thanks for sharing that.
Absolutely.
I have a few questions I ask everybody.
Yeah.
Sidebar.
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We didn't get to one of the topics, butwe, but this was a perfect conversation.
This is
a great conversation.
Like those organic things.
This is what needs to come out.
Totally.
And it's the same, I think in coachingand therapy is we can try to be
organized in our sessions and youcan try to say, I'm going to hit this
topic, but we're missing the boat.
When we come in andsay, okay, what is here?
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Let's work with this.
We're going to nail it every single time.
Yes.
So this is perfect.
Yes.
Perfect.
Good.
What does being brave mean to you?
I love that one.
Being brave is doing the things thatinternally feel scary or intimidating, but
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consciously making that choice to do them.
So you're not just pushing through,but you're saying, okay, it scares me.
And oh my gosh, swinging back to whenwe met in person at, the OTs for Pelvic
Health Summit, there were so many speakersthat were speaking for the first time.
Yeah.
And
it's like I want to do this.
I have this message and I am so, speakingin public because so much of us have,
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we have spoken so many times virtually,but that live audience is different.
But they were all individually bravebecause they had a message they
wanted to share, and even though itscared them to be up there, they were
consciously choosing to share theirmessage, even though it was scary.
And I remember, and I can't eventhink of which speaker, but I
remember one speaker there startedand their voice was quavering.
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And they were scared, but it didn't stop.
They kept speaking.
They kept going and their voicegot stronger as they got through.
That's bravery.
And it's that conscious choice to steppast something that intimidates you.
Yeah.
And I think there's so such a beautiful,there's a beautiful thing in other
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people doing it with the quiveringvoice, other people doing it for the
first time, other people messing up.
And losing track of their notesbecause it teaches everybody else
that, okay, so it doesn't have tobe perfect because I totally valued
what that person had to share.
Even
when they screwed up, even maybeI even valued it more because
they were being so brave.
Oh my gosh.
It's the human experience.
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And I think we are craving as a societyto see, especially with so much social
media and everything looks perfect.
Yeah.
Craving to see people be humanbecause we are all human.
And absolutely.
I would bet that there were people inthe audience that were listening to
her and saying, I could do that toobecause she was so authentically brave.
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And I think that's it is when we areauthentically brave, even if we're doing
it as our voice is shaking, even ifwe're doing it as we are feeling like
that anxiety buzz through us, we areshowing people that they can do it too.
And it doesn't have to be thatyou're completely perfect.
And you have this nailed.
No.
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That opens the doors for more peopleto step out in different ways, more
people to show their bravery, morepeople to change the world because
of the humanness that we're showing
Common humanity.
Absolutely.
What is something braveyou've done recently?
Oh, recently.
Oh, let me think.
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Recently, just in the lastyear, speaking at the summit.
Yeah.
It was my second timespeaking to a big group.
And that's always intimidating when you'relike, oh my gosh, I'm sitting there.
But also just in looking at how,oh my gosh, there's so many things.
I moved to Colorado.
That was really brave.
Putting myself out there, choosingto shift in how I'm showing
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up in my business is brave.
Also letting go of my practice has beenbrave looking at, that was a big one.
Because I'm like coming backto that initial conversation.
What are people going to think?
I remember
resisting telling one of mymentors because she helped me so
much get into the pelvic healthworld and get to where I was.
And I'm like, oh my gosh,what's she gonna think?
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And she's like, oh, this is fabulous.
How do I support you now?
But looking at some of those bigconversations, I think are the
brave ones where I'm stepping outof who I have typically been as a
character and stepping to somethingdifferent and new, and those are all
the brave moments, so it's a ton of
ones that were big in the moments,but you look back and you're
like, oh, it wasn't that bad.
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Yeah.
It feels huge though.
When you're on that verge ofnot doing the brave thing.
Oh my gosh.
and that's a lot of it.
It's just having that faith that you step.
One of my favorite quotes is, weoften stay stuck because we can see
what we will lose with more claritythan we can see what we will gain.
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And it's Sandra Chuma.
I have it literally on my board.
Sandra Chuma said that.
But I love that becauseyou can see so much.
We can see what we're going to lose.
And that keeps us standing still.
And it's so much scarier tolook at what we're going to lose
versus what we're going to gain.
Oh, that's so true.
That is so true.
It's this intangible thing we'removing toward in the future that's
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not guaranteed, but we know thatletting it's, I think of often letting
go of the shore in order to swim Orletting go of the side of the pool.
You can't get to the otherside of the pool by holding on.
But if you can't see the other side ofthe pool and you can see that you're
letting go here, that is frightening.
It is really frightening.
Absolutely.
And we do, there is that real senseof fear of loss and sometimes I
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think as humans, we stay where we arebecause we like that predictability.
We know, and our brains, neurologically,we, our brains like the predictability.
We like the rhythm.
We like knowing what's coming next.
And so exactly.
And it's like, I can stay stuck here, butI know exactly what's going to happen.
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I know what my businessis going to be like.
I know what clients are going tobe like, but if I want to step into
something different, I have to let goof all of the safety to create that
step into that something different.
And oh my gosh, I don'twant to let go of safety.
And that's where having that support,having a coach is huge because they are
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that get to be that life preserver thatsays, okay, I'm going to catch you.
I'm going to support you.
And I can see the other side.
And
then if you have someone that cansee the other side and has helped
other people across to the otherside, You can go, okay, I can let go.
and there's that self trust too, like,okay, I trust that I can do this too.
Especially if I have somebody tosupport me, then I know I can do this.
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How would you like to see OTs get alittle more brave in the coming years?
Oh, own the skills that we have.
I'll tap back into the summit becausejust as that came up, Tiffany Lee,
who is absolutely phenomenal with thepelvic health summit, when she was
presenting, she said, stop asking forpermission for if we can do pelvic health.
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Yes.
And I was like, yes, that's it.
But that's the mindset of so manyof us, as OTs, me included when
I first started, was we're notreally owning our own skills, but
we're almost asking permission.
Like, can I step into mental health?
Absolutely.
Mental health is our background.
This is how we got started.
Can I step into pelvic health?
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Can I step into other areas of practice?
Can I step into coaching?
We're asking, can I, versus,I'm doing this and I have been a
firm believer of like do and askfor forgiveness for a long time.
But we need to step into that areawhere you know your skills and your
skill set is phenomenal as an OT.
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Yes.
And it might be that, if you're,I went from peds therapist to
pelvic health, so whole new skillset, but I wasn't starting over.
I wasn't a brand new therapist.
I had 10 years of work with peopleand more than that before I became
an OT, all of my skills and workingwith peds transferred to pelvic health
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because I'm working with humans.
I'm working in, and I have somany different ways that I can tap
into how my therapeutic self andthat relationship and all of that.
So own what you have, really beproud and stand in that space as
an OT, and you might be new to anarea, but you're not a new therapist.
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And even if you're a new therapist, you'renot new in working with people because I
guarantee if you're stepping into OT, asa human, you have worked with other humans
because you wouldn't be attracted to thiswork if you didn't work with other humans.
So really own what you have and thenlook at, okay, so what's that next step?
And come to the table in whatcan I learn and what can I give?
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Because even if it's just an energy and aexcitement, you're still giving something.
Awesome.
So if people want more ofyou, how do they find you?
What do you, what would youlike people to do right now?
Oh.
You can always find me on Instagramand Facebook, at Landy Peak.
I'm pretty easy to find there.
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and then I have Landy Peak,peek.com for my website.
And then I will also giveyou a link to my freebie.
What I love, it's a worksheet that willwork you through your thought shift.
And so, it'll literally walk you throughthe process of who do you want to be,
what circumstances are you currentlyworking from, because that's huge.
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So many of us are working from a set ofcircumstances, but they're not, they're
often stories and not absolute fact.
And so what circumstances, whatthought block is coming up.
And so it's just a way that it'llask you questions to go through.
And start planting the seeds to shift.
So I'll give you the link to thatand then you can, get that freebie.
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And be able to tap into justwhat are some of my blocks.
And who do I need to step in to beto create whatever I want to create.
I love that.
I love that.
Well, thank you so much for being here.
Oh, This has been a great
conversation.
Yeah.
This has been awesome.
I try to have shorter conversations.
It never works out.
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We go too deep.
This
is the deep, yeah, kitchen conversation.
Absolutely, 100%.
Well, thank you.
I so appreciate your time.
I hope the power of seeking supportwhen you need to break patterns that
are keeping you stuck rang clear,Whether it's through therapy, coaching,
group coaching, and mastermind,or simply allowing yourself to
feel and process your emotions.
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If you'd like to connect withLandy, you can find her on Instagram
and Facebook at Landy Peek, orvisit her website, landypeek.com.
And I'm not sure if you heard inJune as part of my adjusting pace,
I closed the door on entry to mysignature program, ACTivate Vitality,
which is a group coaching programfor therapy business owners to help
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them thrive without the hustle.
I am preparing to open the doorsagain after a pause on all of the
sales and marketing stuff thatgoes with running such a business.
So I am going to put a link in theshow notes to book a call with me.
I would love to talk to you if youare a therapy business owner who is
looking for connection, community,collaboration, and co regulation with
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a group of therapists who get it andwho are trying to find their way in
this lonely world of private practice.
Thank you for listening.
And as always, Be Brave, OTs.
And I see it as therapists, as I'mworking with them, a lot of them are
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kind of keeping this container of I'mokay, but I'm not going to extremely
excel and be who I want to be andbe that superpower of ourselves.
And we are our own superpower.
And it's really letting ourselvesbe like, I can be my superpower.
Because just being you is going toattract people who are like you.
Like attracts like.
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And you're going to find yourtribe by really being you.
And you're going to have ahell of a lot more fun in life
doing that.
But it's hard if that's notyour, how you were brought up.
Yes.
We were brought up to reallysuppress the reality of things
and, oh, and dull your shine.
I so feel that it's been amazing to metoo how many big problems can be solved
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after trying to tease them out and pullthem apart and look at it from all angles.
And the answer very often in theconversations I'm having with people,
the coaching conversations or peerconversations is to be more yourself,
like lean more fully into you.
And it resolves a lot of thestuff that's haunting people.
It's the, clarity in your business.
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Okay, well, if I can build a businessaround exactly who I am, the right
people will easily come to me and Inever have to try to be anything else.
Like how easy is that?
100%.
Yes.
Yes.
you're listening to the BraveOT Podcast with me, Carlyn Neek.
This podcast is all about empoweringoccupational therapists to step up,
level up, blaze some trails, and maybeengage in a little conscious rebellion.
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In service of our profession, ourclients, our work, our businesses,
and living our mission wholeheartedly.
We are all about keepingit real, doing hard things.
Things unhustling, being curious,exploring, growing through our
challenges, and finding joy,fulfillment, and vitality as we do so.
Really, we're OT ingourselves, and each other.
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I hope you love this episode!
I have a confession to make, and Ihope that sharing this confession
with you helps you to see thatI'm truly walking the talk.
So just as I encourage therapybusiness owners that I coach to adjust
their pace, tend to their needs,and make sure that they are running
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their business to add fulfillment totheir life rather than having their
business run their life, I do this too.
Landy and I recorded this conversationalmost exactly a year ago, after the
OTs and Pelvic Health Summit 2023.
We were energized by being ona panel together at this live
event, and by the fact that we dosimilar work in different ways.
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We had this conversation, and thenlife piled up, business piled up,
and I had to slow down the paceof my podcast episode releases.
I had recorded many episodes lastspring and summer, and getting
them out every three to fourweeks was the pace I could handle.
Here's the thing.
That's okay.
Actually, it's more than okay.
It's why I started my business.
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So that I could be flexible and adjust tomy needs, the needs of the people I love.
Let me assure you, thisconversation is just as relevant
today as it was a year ago.
In this episode, I sit downwith Landy Peek, a success coach
for OT and PT entrepreneurs.
We dive deep into the uniquechallenges therapists face
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personally and professionally.
Landy and I share some different waysthat we use our backgrounds as therapists.
In working with our coaching clients.
We talk about somatic practices,acceptance and commitment therapy, and
other ways we help therapists get unstuck.
We also discuss the importanceof balancing our professional
responsibilities with personal wellbeing.
How fitting!, and the sometimesoverlooked power of group support and
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shared stories in fostering growth.
Landy opens up about her journey fromoccupational therapist to coaching,
her move to Colorado, and the valueshe places on authenticity, bravery,
and embracing one's true self.
You'll hear practical strategies fortackling overwhelm and realigning
with your values, as well ascandid insights into the bravery it
takes to step into something new.
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Landy thank you so much forbeing here on my podcast.
I've been looking forward to this.
Yay.
Thank you so much for having me.
I'm so excited to continueconversations with you because I
absolutely adore talking to you.
Oh, I'm so gratefulthat we got to connect.
Lindsey Vestal introduced us when we werepreparing to be on a panel together at the
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OTs in Pelvic Health Summit in Phoenix.
And it was so great to meet you in person.
I know it was so fun to have thatvirtual relationship and then actual
in person and that happened witha lot of people at that summit.
So it's so neat to see peoplein full body and be able to have
that interaction versus just zoom.
But it was fun to bethere on a panel together.
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And we had so many things that overlapin what we talk about and how we
support people, but also such differentviewpoints around the same topic.
So it's fun to just diveinto those conversations.
Totally, and I think that's when we thinkabout even therapeutic modalities, right,
that quite often people need a varietyof approaches to solve their problems.
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And similarly, you and I respect eachother's perspective on things, we
offer some different tools and peoplecould take a little bit of this and a
little bit of that and mix it togetherin their own custom way and that
works.
Absolutely.
Because we're all, we eachhave our own different nervous
system, different experiences.
So we're going to be attractedto different types of modalities,
different ways that we're working withpeople, different ways that we work
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with ourselves and think and respond.
And so yeah, the more tools that youhave, the more availability that you
have to find something that works foryou and then do more of what works
for you and less of what doesn't.
And that's really going to get momentum.
Well, first, tell us alittle bit more about you.
Yeah, so, Landy Peek, I am a success coachfor OT, PT entrepreneurs, and I'm also a
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mom of two, and a chicken lover, I havebackyard chickens, um, live in Colorado,
love to hike, and be outside hiking,camping, all of that kind of stuff.
I'm an OT by background, started outas a peds therapist and then after my
second kiddo transitioned to pelvichealth to really support my own
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postpartum needs because I lived in arural area without a pelvic therapist.
So when I was struggling, I had the,luckily, degree that could get me the
training to start helping my body.
Oh, smart.
In that,
I was like, oh my gosh, this is magicand fell in love with pelvic health.
Yeah.
In that journey, I realized themajority of my public health
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clients were struggling with trauma.
And so
really dove into somatic experiencingto support my clients around trauma
and began having other therapists say,oh, can you work with me too on that?
Oh, this is something that isreally, I'm hitting a block.
There's something I know that Iwant to do something different or
shift, but there's a block here.
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And so really stepped big intothe mental health and then
stepped into coaching from there.
So it's been a lovely journeyas each step has built upon the
next to get me where I am today.
I love that.
So currently your OT clinicalpractice isn't active.
Is that correct?
Yes.
I moved to Colorado a year ago andin the move decided not to start a
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new clinical practice as my coachingbusiness was really overtaking my time.
And I only want to workduring school hours.
So I'm not
looking to expand past that becauseI love my family time as well.
So this gave me that greatbalance and I absolutely love
working with the therapists.
Their so much fun.
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And it's just really neat to beable to see the really monumental
shifts people make in their lives.
As you're with a therapist, theirnervous systems are at a different
level than in that acute somethingis wrong with my body area.
And
so we go further, we go deeper, there'sbigger transitions, and there's that
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ripple effect of you're supporting thetherapist who then is supporting all
of those clients, who is then impactingtheir community and their families,
and it's like, whoa, this is huge.
So it's really funworking with a therapist.
I love working with therapists toobecause there's, like there's a
difference in a mental health clientthat's coming to you perhaps they're
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funded in some way for your serviceor somebody told them they should see
you or have to see you in some casesin my work with return to work stuff.
And it's a different game when it'sa therapist who's invested, right?
They're actually putting money on thetable to say, hey, I am doing okay.
I'd like to do better.
And they're just like, they runwith it and that's really exciting.
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It is.
And it's that sweet spot where asa clinical therapist, I was working
with people who were struggling to getto that place where they were okay.
And so they're at that survival.
Like I'm finally feeling like I'msurviving that next level in that
coaching is the survival to thriving.
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It's I'm good and I want great.
Yes.
It's that difference in they reallywant this because this is something
that they see as a value and it'sgoing to shift things in our life
instead of like, I really needthis because I just can't function.
Yeah.
And that next step,
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it's just fun to work with.
Yeah.
What do you think about, because thework of helping the people who are
in survival mode, who are trying toget to okay, is really important.
And it's rewarding and we pull out a wholedifferent set of tools for those people.
And I still see them.
And I'm really glad I do, but there isthat sense like I think, I don't know,
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maybe it's my own perception or, my ownkind of little neg in the back of my head,
but that sense that, are you really doingthe real work of making a difference if
you're only working with these people?
I know I have a way that I, conceptualizethat and feel really good about it.
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But what are your thoughts on it?
I'm really excited to hear you bringthat up because it's like, oh, I'm not
the only one that has struggled with it.
And as I've helped my own coachingclients step into coaching or
different ways to serve people
it is a common thing when people docome with this, I mean, I was working
with significant trauma before Istepped into coaching and I was doing
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it like we had a private practice anda coaching practice, but you're working
with people who really, really need helpand are really struggling and I had a
huge value in that is actually serving.
And how can I be serving if Iam working with somebody that
doesn't desperately need my help?
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This is that I want the icing on the cake.
I want my life to be better,but it's already good.
How do you justify stepping into that?
And for me, it was lookingat that ripple effect.
Yes.
Looking at, in helping the therapist
I have a greater impact in the worldthan if I'm helping that client.
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Because I have my caseload of therapistsand each of those therapists then have a
caseload of their own clients, and they'realso in the community, and they have a
family, and so you're impacting this hugenetwork then, being that clinician that
is supporting therapists versus the oneon one, and both have value, and both
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are needed, but I really allowed myselfto step into, I am creating a bigger
ripple effect, supporting that therapist.
And also knowing that that therapistdoes need a lot of support because as
therapists, we have a lot of stress.
We have a lot riding on our shouldersand many of us are stepping into our
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caseload and we are holding space andwe are holding that healing energy
for our clients, which is a lot.
And then we are also holding space forour families and being in our communities.
And you look at like, wow, the typicaltherapist has a lot going on in their life
and they need someone to support them.
And that was a big shift and like,okay, they really do need someone
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to support them and being thatsupport and seeing what that support
does with my coaching clients.
It's phenomenal where it's like, okay, Inow can help hold 10 percent of that load
for that therapist and they can then stepin and do something bigger or different
or even see things differently becausemost of my coaching is asking questions.
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I had a client earlier and she reallywas coming up against a problem.
And I said, okay, it's likelooking at the trunks of a tree.
Like all you see is the trunk.
It feels very big.
It feels like you're stuck.
What if you just shift and lookfrom an eagle's view, you're still
looking at the tree, you're justlooking at a different perspective
and just putting that out there.
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She was like, oh my gosh, newpoint of view, and she came up
with it, but it was just thatguidance of shift that is so big.
I'm
curious, as I turn the question toyou, what is that justification in
really supporting the therapist?
How are you seeing thatvalue and stepping into that?
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It's very much the same.
It's the ripple effect, and Iwork in mental health as well.
And so there's that sense that I havefelt the weight of holding tenderly,
and holding space empathetically forpeople's most painful experiences.
And that can, you know, as much aswe have boundaries and things like
that, it can still feel really heavy.
It's a lot of responsibilityand I cherish the honor.
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I am grateful for it, but it alsoallows me to do it in just that
right amount that I don't have tospend all day, every day doing that.
That I can do the amount that issustainable for me and my mental
health, and I can have that rippleeffect with the therapists who are
going out and impacting the world.
Especially in this kind of COVID,
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I don't even think we can say postpandemic at this point I think all
the numbers are picking up again,but there's just been so much stress
and so much change, and I found toothat the, a lot of my friends, a lot
of my therapist friends, OTs, PTs,psychologists, they held it together
pretty well through the crisis part of thepandemic, that first kind of year or two.
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And it was sort of, as we werein 2023, that the wheels started
falling off because we all wentrunning in, we're helpers, right?
Running in, we're going to help.
And then that just becamenot sustainable, right?
Our nervous systems aren't setup for persistent ongoing stress.
We're set up for acute periodsof stress and recovery.
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And so I found that, yeah, a lotof people's mental health, a lot
of therapists mental health havebeen struggling more in the last
several months and they need us
now
more
than
ever.
Absolutely.
And just bring in that light that Ifyou are struggling, it's really common
and we don't talk about the struggle.
I think too, as therapists, we havethis set that we need to be the leader.
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We need to be the guide.
We need to be okay so that we cansupport those that are not okay.
And we don't always talk about,it's okay to not be okay, and
you can still support others.
Like, you can have your whole freakout, you can feel stressed, and still
be there for others and strengthen.
And it makes you more human,and it makes you more relatable.
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And absolutely, it is important toget that support, so that you can
continue supporting without burning out.
Yes.
Because that's a huge part of burnoutis really going full in and not
listening to what your own needs are.
I remember I was sitting in myown therapist's office one day and
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she was in problem solving mode.
She was like, well, what if you did this?
And what about that?
And what about this?
And I was sort of in, well, yeah,I don't think I could like, that's
workable for me right now, or I don'tthink I can logistically I can't,
like I've got a lot of responsibility.
I can't drop things and go do whatyou're suggesting or what have you.
And then she gave me a coaching questionand it was like, okay, no problem.
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Like I get it.
What are you willing to do in orderto keep doing the work you do?
In order to be able to keepdoing the work that you do?
And I was like, mic drop, right?
Like in order for me to keepgoing, I need to choose something.
And it's an interesting kind of shift fromsolver to coach to kind of go, yeah, so
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how are you going to solve this problem?
I'm here to help you, but there'sthis go or no go spot, and it's your
responsibility without saying it like
that.
Exactly.
Yes, absolutely.
I had a client that was, I mean,she's an incredible human being
and she's doing so much for hercommunity, but she's doing so much.
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And so she was really stressedand she's a physiotherapist.
And so I said, okay, let'sput everything on the plate.
What do you all have onyour plate right now?
And how heavy does that feel?
And she's like, oh my gosh, it's so heavy.
What can go?
And she's like, nothing.
I'm like, okay.
And two weeks later, she Voxers me.
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Because I use Voxer in my coaching andshe's like, okay, I get what you're
saying, and I now know what needsto go and there was the wants and
the needs and she wanted to do allof this big community outreach, but
looking at that's not sustainable.
Yeah.
And so, what can we pare backand instead of like taking
things necessarily off the plate.
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We also can shrink the plate, so youcan still do some, but not at the
biggest capacity that you can do.
It's like, you know, when you'regoing to a buffet, you're getting
a smaller plate, you're going tostill enjoy everything, but you're
not going to overwhelm yourself.
Yeah.
Same thing in life.
Let's shrink the plate a little bit orsee what needs to come off if that's okay.
Yeah.
But
it's those questions that turn back,I think are so powerful when you
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as the client, as the person whois looking to change your life is
coming up with the deep answers.
Yeah.
You need someone else askingthose questions so that you
have a shift of perspective.
And that's why I have a therapist.
It's why I have a coach because Ineed somebody asking me those too.
And I also need someone likewhen things are feeling big and
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heavy to go, okay, this is okay.
It's totally like common to haveall of the stress coming in.
What do you need to shift?
How do you need to look at it different?
How are you not stepping intothe person that you want to be?
A lot of my work is you have to have thatidentity of the person that you want, the
life you want to create before you createit, or you're just going to keep creating
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those same patterns that you have.
So my coach is askingyou those same questions.
And are you being thatperson that you want to be?
And in what ways are you not?
And that's like the aha momentsof like, oh, okay, I really want,
and I say I want whatever it is,but I'm not stepping into that.
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I'm not being, having that self integrityfor my word of even working out.
You know, I'm going to work,get up and work out every day.
If I don't, then I'm notbeing integral to my word.
So it's like, okay, that'smy goal for the next morning.
Even if it's 10 minutes I'm goingto make sure I do that and that's
the shift, but it's somebody tappinginto and asking you those questions
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so that you can get a better ideaof what's going on inside of you.
I like that.
I want to go back to this being thing,but first I wanted to say I love the plate
analogy because I find that a lot of thetherapists I work with, like therapists
who've chosen to become entrepreneurstend to be pretty ambitious, right?
They tend to be achievers.
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They've got things they want to do.
They've got brilliant ideas andthings to share with the world.
And it's hard to see thatthey can't do it all at once.
And so there's that senseof, yeah you can do it all.
It's just maybe not all right now, likein this season, which things can you do?
And so often there needs tobe some sort of boundary set.
And I know for me, it oftenis I do not work on Fridays.
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So that's one boundary andI don't work after four.
That's another boundary.
Sometimes I'll work a long, long daystarting early, but being able to kind
of shrink the plate that, okay, well, ifI, if it can't, if it has to fit in, it
has to fit in here, there's no more room.
And also that self discovery oflike, here's, I talk so much about
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planting the seed and that's a job.
I think it's a job as a therapist and it'sa job as a coach is to plant those seeds
and allow people to come and to let thoseideas grow at their own space and place.
Because if you're not ready,you're not going to hear it.
If you're not ready, you can'tpush somebody into something.
And looking as a therapist, workingwith clients, if you have a client
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that's just not making progress.
Sometimes it's that identity of, I am hurtor broken, and I get something from that.
I get support from family.
I get empathy from family thatmaybe I haven't gotten before.
So maybe I subconsciouslydon't want to let that go.
And they hold on to that so they don'tdo the homework and they don't do the
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things that we want them to do and theydon't make progress because subconsciously
they're getting something from that
space of being hurt.
It's the same for us as therapists.
You know,
we cling to things because it'sfilling a need in some way, or it's
filled a need in the past in some way.
And we just haven't updated to get to,oh, this is no longer working in my life.
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It was really functional at onepoint, but it's no longer working.
But it
takes that outside person to reallyplant that seed and say, huh, I wonder
if this is still working for you.
I wonder if you are getting somebenefit from being in this space, even
though you say you want that change,what are you getting from being here?
Because we're getting something if we're
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staying in that same space.
And if we're looking at it that way,then it's like, oh, okay, this is okay.
It is giving me something.
It's okay to side note, you know,it's not functional anymore.
But then you have a lot of empathy foryourself instead of berating yourself
for not getting up and working out.
It's like, oh, what is this giving me?
This is giving me something.
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That's okay.
I can be soft and kind to myself.
And then I can decideto shift when I'm ready.
So how do you approach that with peoplewhere there's this an outdated operating
system that keeps kind of coming, peekingup and this thing that goes way back.
You don't even believe in it anymore.
You don't even agree with it anymore.
You don't want it as partof how you're operating.
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You do everything to tryand not be that person.
often it's around worthinessor often money too.
So that sense of, well, you justhave to work a little harder
than everybody else, right?
How do you help people with thosethings where it's not at the forefront.
They don't actually believe it anymore,but it's just an old pattern that keeps
creeping back in.
Yes.
So working with the subconscious andour subconscious creates something
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like 95 percent of our reality.
And it is because it's comingback to that old programming.
And, let's see if I can think ofthe stat now, but, I think the
subconscious creates your answersomething like seven seconds before your
conscious brain creates that answer.
So if you have a problem, you'relooking at your subconscious has
already figured out the answer beforeyou've rationalized through it.
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And that's why we have all thatold patterning coming back up
because we're responding to thesubconscious, even though we can
consciously go, okay, this should bethis, and this is going to be this.
And I'm going to do this.
Yeah.
And if you don't have thatinner identity to back what your
conscious brain is creating.
You're going to derail to thatsubconscious pattern and those old
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life patterns So when I'm workingwith clients I'm really getting
curious about what are those patterns?
And so we're diving into what are thosesubconscious beliefs and patterns so
that we can identify them and be reallyclear on oh, I think this is still here.
And then there was a couple of differentways that I work with clients and it
depends on the client's nervous system.
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It depends on who theyare and what they like.
So whether it's diving into some hypnosisor some rapid resolution therapy, or I'm
going back and doing some inner childwork, it really depends on what's coming
up with the client and what feels good.
Because I've had clients that arelike, I'm not open to hypnosis.
We're not going to go there because you'renot going to get benefit if it's not
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something that feels safe and comfortable.
And so it's looking at coming towhat are those outdated beliefs.
And then who do you want to be inthis life that you want to create?
So if you want to be an entrepreneurbut you are a therapist now, and your
identity is a therapist, you have toshift to, I see myself as an entrepreneur,
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I see myself as a business person, Isee myself as a marketer, I see myself
in all of those roles, and I have thatinner identity, or you're going to keep
working as a therapist, banging yourhead, trying to create a business, but
you're not thinking like a business owner.
So I'm looking at the subconsciousbeliefs that are just the blocks for
the specific things they're looking at.
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Because we can go through and look atall of our programming and we'll get lost
in the programming and go, oh my gosh.
There's a lot of stuff.
And I think sometimes in therapy, wego there where we start going down
a, well this is an issue and thisis an issue and this is an issue.
But is that issue reallyimpacting where you want to go?
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Because you can let that old programmingjust be there if it's not impacting
what you currently want to do.
So it's finding the subconscious beliefsthat specifically are blocking that
progress that you want to make, knowingwho you need to be, and then working
backwards to talk to the subconscious andsay, oh, how are we going to shift this?
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You know, what is that outdated story?
And sometimes it's as simple as.
I don't want to say logically, butshowing the story and the pattern to
the person and kind of those thoughtbusters as you're coming through.
And sometimes it's coming throughand sometimes it's even using a story
of someone else and saying they canlook at it through somebody else and
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go, oh my gosh, that's ridiculous.
And then link it back to them and they'relike, oh, well, if it's ridiculous
for them, it's ridiculous for me too.
And then you can shift it.
So there's so many ways to reallyshift that subconscious belief.
And it really comes down to the personand how we're going to tackle it.
So how about you?
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How do you shift it?
Well, I love that last bit you said thereabout telling the story of someone else.
And I definitely find thatthe power of my group.
So I've got a group of therapists who areworking together and sometimes they show
up on a call just going, I don't know whyI needed to be here, but I'm here today.
And I don't have a question.
I don't have a problem to bringto the table, but then they hear
somebody else's story and go,hot damn, that was what I needed
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to hear.
100%!
This is, I also have a group.
And this just happened in one of mygroups where the client, she's like, I
said maybe three words the whole time,but my world got rocked just listening
to what this other person had to say.
And I have found our deepest, darkestsecrets, the things that we think are
like, oh my gosh, nobody can know aboutthis are the most common struggles.
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And when we start diving into, and youhear that, there is social healing.
As we are going through and hearingother people's stories, we sometimes
connect the dots within ourselvesthat we never would have connected
if we had not heard that story.
There is that power in that group.
But absolutely, sometimes sittingand hearing you're like, aha,
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and this now makes sense andI've got it and let's shift it.
But you wouldn't have gottenthere if you hadn't heard it.
And I think that's such, sucha powerful thing in group.
And I think as therapists,sometimes with our clients, we're
not really valuing the group.
We're so into, it needs to be one onone and we lose sight of that social
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healing and having that value of beingable to, not only hear I'm not the only
one but hear a different perspectivethat connects so deeply to yours.
You're like, ah, that makes sense.
And I can shift it because I'veheard someone else go through it.
Yes.
And you can see people who are alittle further down the road in
their transformation, you can see howpeople are practically implementing
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these things, which ways that like,even we've had great conversations
in my group around setting boundariesin your auto reply on your email.
And people are like, oh my gosh,I never thought to do that, but
sort of giving yourself space togo, hey, I don't reply right away.
Exactly.
And it's huge, but thoseboundaries are huge.
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And I think there is that lovelyjourney that you get to watch
and you see those people that arejust a few steps ahead of you.
If I want to grow my business to thatlevel, if I want to do this in my
life, I start watching for those rolemodels and start really analyzing,
okay, so what are they doing?
How are they interacting with the world?
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And I think in those nice groups,you have more of that visibility
instead of like social stalkingsomebody, you have that ability to
say, okay, so how are you doing this?
And what does this look like?
And as this is unfolding, and thenyou also have the resource of that
person within the group that you canask questions and they can give you
that encouragement and say, oh mygosh, I was there three months ago
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and this is how it unfolded for me.
And it gives you that constant motivationthat you can do it, that this, you know,
you see someone else and you're like,and I always believe if the universe
shows you something it's not to make youjealous is to say, see, it's for you too.
You can do this too.
Somebody else did this.
And within that group network,
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you get
to see that and say, okay, this ispossible for me too, because they did it.
And you have some, I think more rapidgrowth because you have those visuals
and all of the other sensory stuff thatcomes in and just being with other humans.
Totally.
That really supports your own growth.
Yeah, for sure.
So you were asking me actuallyhow I address some of those things
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where that little ghost comes backup to haunt you and you're like,
I thought I was done with this.
And I love what you were saying there too.
Because I do quite often approach itfrom more of a, okay that can come up,
but you still get to choose your action.
And so it aligns morewith, how do I need to be?
How do I need to show up?
How do I, so what's important here?
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What's my value?
Yep.
I can have this little nigglythought come up and go, yeah, right.
Okay.
Thanks.
Thanks the ghost of Christmas pastor whatever you want to call it.
I'm going to choose my action anyhow,like that kind of thought coming up or
that emotion coming up doesn't need tocontrol my behavior and so I work using
a lot of acceptance commitment therapyACT to unhook from those things so
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they're not controlling our behavior.
And people can make values-alignedchoices in their actions.
And I think though, there's alsoan element of, that unconscious
that ACT doesn't address.
And so I know for me, I've got allthe ACT tools in the world and I don't
get too hooked by those things, butman, I'd like them to not keep coming
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up and getting in the way before Inotice them or that sort of thing.
And so I love how you're talking aboutaddressing them at a nervous system
level, yeah, talking about somaticexperience or I also, I do accelerated
resolution therapy as well, but Ihaven't incorporated in coaching.
So that is interesting.
Yeah.
Which for people who don't know, there'san eye movement, kind of a cousin of EMDR
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working at this at a nervous system levelwhere you can reprogram some of those
stories or images in the case of ART, buthadn't thought to bring it to my coaching.
Yeah, it's so fun.
And I love how you tap into values.
I have a huge module and focus in mygroup program around values because
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one of the biggest trip ups in mypersonal and professional life was I
was trying to work and create a businessthat was misaligned with my values.
And so it is now such a thingthat I bring awareness to.
So one of my big values is freedom.
And I like to have my ownfreedom and my own choices.
And I don't like to be contained and toldwhat I wanted to do or what I should do.
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Motherhood
was a huge challenge for me.
Because I lost a lot of freedombecause you have this little
being that you no longer caneven shower on your own schedule.
So it's like, oh my gosh.
And then I'm trying to grow abusiness and I'm not doing the
actions that I knew would help me.
Because I felt like if I took thatstep, I would lose more freedom.
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And since I was growing my business,really, when I was starting into
motherhood, I had two things thatfelt like they were taking my freedom.
And so in being aware of like,oh, this is a huge value.
How do I A, support myself as amother in getting myself freedom?
Babysitters were huge.
I hired her nanny that I love andtrust and my kids still talk about her.
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But it gave me space whereit wasn't just work hours.
It was, I can have some mehours that she can cover too.
And then in my business growing it so itreally, you know, tuned into my values
in that I was looking at how can Icreate a business that gave me freedom.
And when I was feeling blocked,coming back to, is this butting
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up against one of my values?
And if it is, what can I do to shift it?
So that either the business shiftsor I look at, is this value still
aligned with who I want to be?
And I can look at, do I needto reprioritize my values?
But I love that you tap into it.
Cause I think it's an, it's a hiddenblocker for so many therapists.
And if we're not in tune with our values,we continually hit up against the wall
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and we're not looking at oh this is why.
And sometimes it's such an easyshift, but we never see it.
Totally.
So often when a person, it feels reallyreactive to a situation, it's because
it's highlighting a value that's beingcompromised and it's trying to figure
out how to do the opposite of that.
Stop reacting.
So you can pause, slow down the reaction,so you can figure out what it is.
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What's that feeling there to tell you?
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah.
I think the biggest like reactor fora lot of parents is that respect.
Yeah.
And like I need to be respected.
And then when you feel at alldisrespected and in personal lives
with partners and parents and all ofthat, then it has that big reaction.
You know, I'm angry because I don'tfeel respected, but it's, what is this?
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What am I really upset about?
is it that I'm not beingrespected or is there something
bigger or different in line?
Yeah.
And
it's like, okay, so what am I, andthis is one of the things, like I
really talk with my clients aroundis looking at what's coming up.
And I had a client who did a reallylovely big public speech and she
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said she was walking out the doorand she had huge wash of anxiety
and as she had this wash of anxiety
she stopped and she's like, Iheard your voice in my head and I
turned and I said, what is this?
Because I think that's such a key questionto say, okay, so I'm being reactive.
What is this first?
But as she sat there, she's like,oh, this is a huge thing of anxiety.
And she's like, there's excitementthough, in there because I
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just did this big speech.
And there's a lot of energythat's coming from that.
There's also the fear of judgment becauseI just did this big speech and what
are people going to say about me now?
And then she just pulls out all of thisthing that she'd lumped as anxiety.
And she's like, oh wow,there's such a mix.
She's like, just being able to sitthere and go, oh, this is all it is.
She's like, then I could walk out.
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And I didn't spin my wheels and gointo, oh my gosh, all that judgment
and everything that kind of comes upsometimes when we put ourselves out
there, instead it's like, what is this?
And what's really underlying that?
And then you can start deciding, isthis something I want to shift or not?
And don't you find that there's thatwork first too, for a lot of people of
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a negative feeling, I must erase it.
I must avoid it.
I must turn away.
I must distract all bad feelings are bad.
I'm going to make that feeling go away.
And if we can't sit with the feelingsand get curious, you can't sit
there and turn toward them and startto go, oh, what's actually here?
It's uncomfortable, especially if youhave a lifetime of avoiding feelings.
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But it's so key to be able to sit with itand get really curious and feel it all.
That is hard work, but it's important.
It is hard work.
But also knowing that it's okayto sit with all those feelings.
Because a lot of us grew upwhere it's not okay to be angry.
It's not okay to be sad.
It's not okay to, you know,
to be jealous about something.
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You should be more positive.
My little guys in kindergarten.
So you know, the you get whatyou get and you don't get upset.
I'm like, oh wait, no, we get upset.
You don't have to throw a fit overit, but we get upset and that's okay.
It's okay to feel that.
And that's what I want both as a clinicaltherapist and a coach, you to feel the
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breadth of emotions because that's,human that is ideal is to be able to feel
all the way down to the sadnessand all the way up to the bliss.
But that neither one of them takes overthat you have that flexibility that
if you go down to a deep sadness, youswing back up and you allow yourself
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go, oh my gosh, this is crushing.
Yeah.
But then it's temporary andyour nervous system can pull
you back into, okay, I'm okay.
I'm regulated those ups and those downs.
Same with the bliss we want youto go into those high spaces
and feel so incredibly amazing.
But I also want you to be able to regulateand come back down without a crash.
Because sometimes we hit the high ofthe highs and then we have that huge
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crash and it's where we withdraw andwe're like, oh my gosh, I did too much.
And whatever it is, it's coming up.
But we want to have that flow andthat flexible flow is ideal, but
we're not taught to have that.
We're not taught thatit's okay to have that.
But we want to really come into, it'sokay to feel, it's okay to cry, it's okay
to be upset, and it's okay to be happy.
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That was a hard one for me, is toallow myself to really be like,
oh, I see this a lot in therapists,
oh my gosh, life is amazing,because I wanted to tamp it down.
Because I don't want to hurt somebodyelse that is having a hard time by being
ecstatic and having a really amazing life.
And so I was toning down mywhole existence to try to be
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more empathetic to someone.
Approachable, yeah.
Exactly!
And I heard a quote and Ihave no idea where I heard it.
But you can't be poor enough, tomake the poor rich and it was in a
financial thing, but I'm like, ohmy gosh, I'm doing that emotionally.
I'm trying to keep myself so containedand I can't keep myself contained
enough to make someone who is reallydepressed or somebody who's going
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through a really traumatic event happy.
I can be happy and be in a better spaceto support them, but bringing myself
low is not going to make them happy.
And I see it as therapists, as I'mworking with them, a lot of them are
kind of keeping this container of I'mokay, but I'm not going to extremely
excel and be who I want to be andbe that superpower of ourselves.
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And we are our own superpower.
And it's really letting ourselvesbe like, I can be my superpower.
Because just being you is going toattract people who are like you.
Like attracts like.
And you're going to find yourtribe by really being you.
And you're going to have ahell of a lot more fun in life
doing that.
But it's hard if that's notyour, how you were brought up.
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Yes.
We were brought up to reallysuppress the reality of things
and, oh, and dull your shine.
I so feel that it's been amazing to metoo how many big problems can be solved
after trying to tease them out and pullthem apart and look at it from all angles.
And the answer very often in theconversations I'm having with people,
the coaching conversations or peerconversations is to be more yourself,
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like lean more fully into you.
And it resolves a lot of thestuff that's haunting people.
It's the, clarity in your business.
Okay, well, if I can build a businessaround exactly who I am, the right
people will easily come to me and Inever have to try to be anything else.
Like how easy is that?
100%.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
And it's huge.
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Just, it's hard and it's scary tobe your authentic self because,
at least my upbringing, therewas that like community judgment.
You better be this type of person and notact out because the whole community's,
and I grew up in a small, small town.
So like the whole communitydid know what I was doing.
If I skipped school, itgot home before I got home.
So there was that sense ofeverybody's watching everybody.
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So it's hard sometimes to be yourauthentic self because it feels
scary because it feels like arepeople really going to love me and
value me if I am authentically me?
yes, stepping into your authentic selfis absolutely going to resolve things.
That's also a reallyscary journey sometimes.
And so just knowing that and knowingthat there's people that will walk beside
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you and keep cheering you on and keepplanting seeds and keep asking questions
to make that journey easier is huge.
So good.
Yeah, there has to be a sense ofcoming to love and respect yourself
as you are.
Oh my gosh, I think that's,yeah, nail on the head.
That is number one, isyou have to value you.
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And once you value you there is apoint where you do just stop caring.
Not in a bad way, and like, I reallydon't care if I piss people off.
But in, I don't have that sense ofjudgment hanging over me anymore.
I really just want to be me,and just do the things that I
want to do in a supportive way.
I had the conversation inmy group the other day where
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I had said that to someone.
She's like, oh, but I can't do thatbecause I want to be a good mom
and part of being a good momand being a good therapist is
watching out for somebody else.
I can't just wholeheartedlylive my life for me.
It's like, no, we're not like,ignoring everybody else and
just like bulldozing through.
The heart of standing up and livingyour life for you and being your
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authentic self is if you're alreadykind, you're going to amplify being kind.
If you already have thosetraits, you're not erasing those.
You're just peeling off all of thelayers of bullshit that have been put on.
And allowing you to truly be you.
So we're not changing you.
We're just letting go of all thestuff that's no longer serving
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you so that you can be you.
And you don't have to worryabout somebody not liking you.
You're just going to amplify you.
And I think that's huge, is to givethe permission of like, you're not
going to turn people away, and youmight, because they might not be
aligned with you anymore, but thosearen't people in your tribe anyway.
But the people who absolutely adoreyou are still going to be there and
excited to see as you bloom even more.
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Oh, I love that.
This brings up a question.
I so in the coaching industry, there'sa lot of things I don't like in the non
therapist coaches, a lot of the way theycan use mindset work in a manipulative
sort of fashion that really bothers me.
It gets my nervous system all riled upbecause it's taking away from safety.
I've been on sales coaching calls whereit's like, well, your program is not
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overpriced, it's that they don't see thevalue, they don't value themselves enough.
And I see that at times where a personisn't valuing themselves enough to
invest in themselves., but sometimesit's a little bit weaponized too.
So there's this sense of needing tobelieve in yourself enough to invest
in yourself to hire the coach, to jointhe group, to invest in the resources
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that you need to start that business.
And I find that when there is that senseof self worth being problematic, that
can sometimes come out in, well that'stoo expensive or that sort of thing.
And that's not to say that everybody canafford the top end coaching programs.
that might not make financialsense for some people at the
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point that they're starting, butwhat's your experience with that?
Oh, yes, because, I am aligned withyou and I do a no pressure sale.
I'm not here to talk youinto working with me at all.
I'm here to say this ishow I can support you.
And I truly do believe that it ismy, duty to share how I can support
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someone as a therapist, as a coach,you don't know if I can help you
if I don't say I can help you.
It is then your choice whetheryou want to take that step or not.
And you can, I don't think there is atie to your self value and you valuing
yourself and spending that money.
I think there's fear there, but I don'tthink, and I think there are coaches out
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there that use that oh, you don't valueyourself enough to spend that money.
It's manipulative.
That's it is.
And that's BS because you can100 percent value yourself.
And I have sat in coaching callswith, potential coaches and I'm
like, no, I 100 percent value me.
What I don't feel is aligned.
Yeah.
And I think that's the biggest thing.
If you are not, and I'm like,I want a hell yes for people
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that are going to work with me.
If you're not, and I will flat outtell people, if you're not a hell
yes, this isn't the right time.
I'm not going anywhere, socome back and circle back.
And I've had people circleback three years later and
be like, okay now I'm ready.
But you're not ready.
And it's coming, it's lookingat your nervous system too.
We're not going to push anybody todo anything they're not ready to.
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Yeah.
Your nervous system isn'tat that space to work.
And there might be some subconsciousthings that are red flags.
Maybe spending thatmoney isn't feeling safe.
That doesn't have anythingto do with your value.
That's not feeling safe.
It's okay for it not to feel safe.
You'll come to a point whereyou're like, I'm going to risk
this and I'm okay with that risk.
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That's where I want you to be.
Not, I'm going to push this andfreak out because you're not going to
get the benefit of working together
if you were freaking out over themoney, it's not worth it and I, in
every single contract that I havewith my clients, it is, this is not
putting you, in any financial risk.
You are saying this is okay because Idon't want anybody to feel like they
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need to push themselves out of that box,risk financial to grow in different ways.
You can continue to grow withoutputting yourself in any financial risk.
100%.
There's a coach out there for youthat will absolutely support you.
You can do your own self work.
Absolutely.
There are going to be points inyour life where you're like, nope.
I want this.
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And because I want this, I'm ready todo a little bit of financial stretch.
I'm ready to push myself alittle bit, but I also know I'm
going to get gain from this.
And I think that's the sweet spot whenyou're signing with a coach is that you
want to have that confidence that yes,this might be pushing my boundaries.
Yes.
Not boundaries as in, that structure, butin like, this is pushing my comfort zone.
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This is pushing me.
out a little bit in growth.
This is scary, but I'm also confidentin myself that I can get that return
on investment in whatever way that isemotional growth or a financial growth.
But a hundred percent, if somebody ispushing you to sign and tapping into all
of those little trigger points, that'ssomebody to turn away from, because
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if they're getting you inthat way, they're going to
coach you in that way too.
And you're not goingto feel good and safe.
Honestly, to grow, you have to feel safe.
So it's why I work with thenervous system as well, because
we're creating that safety.
And then we're stepping in a pace.
Each person I work with is ontheir own individual journey.
Nothing is like cut and pasteblanket across the board because your
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experiences in your nervous systemare different from mine are different
from the other people in the program.
So we have to take itstep by step for you.
So you don't freak out like that's thegoal is you grow without the freak out.
Yeah.
I love it.
Thanks for sharing that.
Absolutely.
I have a few questions I ask everybody.
Yeah.
Sidebar.
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We didn't get to one of the topics, butwe, but this was a perfect conversation.
This is
a great conversation.
Like those organic things.
This is what needs to come out.
Totally.
And it's the same, I think in coachingand therapy is we can try to be
organized in our sessions and youcan try to say, I'm going to hit this
topic, but we're missing the boat.
When we come in andsay, okay, what is here?
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Let's work with this.
We're going to nail it every single time.
Yes.
So this is perfect.
Yes.
Perfect.
Good.
What does being brave mean to you?
I love that one.
Being brave is doing the things thatinternally feel scary or intimidating, but
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consciously making that choice to do them.
So you're not just pushing through,but you're saying, okay, it scares me.
And oh my gosh, swinging back to whenwe met in person at, the OTs for Pelvic
Health Summit, there were so many speakersthat were speaking for the first time.
Yeah.
And
it's like I want to do this.
I have this message and I am so, speakingin public because so much of us have,
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we have spoken so many times virtually,but that live audience is different.
But they were all individually bravebecause they had a message they
wanted to share, and even though itscared them to be up there, they were
consciously choosing to share theirmessage, even though it was scary.
And I remember, and I can't eventhink of which speaker, but I
remember one speaker there startedand their voice was quavering.
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And they were scared, but it didn't stop.
They kept speaking.
They kept going and their voicegot stronger as they got through.
That's bravery.
And it's that conscious choice to steppast something that intimidates you.
Yeah.
And I think there's so such a beautiful,there's a beautiful thing in other
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people doing it with the quiveringvoice, other people doing it for the
first time, other people messing up.
And losing track of their notesbecause it teaches everybody else
that, okay, so it doesn't have tobe perfect because I totally valued
what that person had to share.
Even
when they screwed up, even maybeI even valued it more because
they were being so brave.
Oh my gosh.
It's the human experience.
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And I think we are craving as a societyto see, especially with so much social
media and everything looks perfect.
Yeah.
Craving to see people be humanbecause we are all human.
And absolutely.
I would bet that there were people inthe audience that were listening to
her and saying, I could do that toobecause she was so authentically brave.
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And I think that's it is when we areauthentically brave, even if we're doing
it as our voice is shaking, even ifwe're doing it as we are feeling like
that anxiety buzz through us, we areshowing people that they can do it too.
And it doesn't have to be thatyou're completely perfect.
And you have this nailed.
No.
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That opens the doors for more peopleto step out in different ways, more
people to show their bravery, morepeople to change the world because
of the humanness that we're showing
Common humanity.
Absolutely.
What is something braveyou've done recently?
Oh, recently.
Oh, let me think.
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Recently, just in the lastyear, speaking at the summit.
Yeah.
It was my second timespeaking to a big group.
And that's always intimidating when you'relike, oh my gosh, I'm sitting there.
But also just in looking at how,oh my gosh, there's so many things.
I moved to Colorado.
That was really brave.
Putting myself out there, choosingto shift in how I'm showing
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up in my business is brave.
Also letting go of my practice has beenbrave looking at, that was a big one.
Because I'm like coming backto that initial conversation.
What are people going to think?
I remember
resisting telling one of mymentors because she helped me so
much get into the pelvic healthworld and get to where I was.
And I'm like, oh my gosh,what's she gonna think?
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And she's like, oh, this is fabulous.
How do I support you now?
But looking at some of those bigconversations, I think are the
brave ones where I'm stepping outof who I have typically been as a
character and stepping to somethingdifferent and new, and those are all
the brave moments, so it's a ton of
ones that were big in the moments,but you look back and you're
like, oh, it wasn't that bad.
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Yeah.
It feels huge though.
When you're on that verge ofnot doing the brave thing.
Oh my gosh.
and that's a lot of it.
It's just having that faith that you step.
One of my favorite quotes is, weoften stay stuck because we can see
what we will lose with more claritythan we can see what we will gain.
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And it's Sandra Chuma.
I have it literally on my board.
Sandra Chuma said that.
But I love that becauseyou can see so much.
We can see what we're going to lose.
And that keeps us standing still.
And it's so much scarier tolook at what we're going to lose
versus what we're going to gain.
Oh, that's so true.
That is so true.
It's this intangible thing we'removing toward in the future that's
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not guaranteed, but we know thatletting it's, I think of often letting
go of the shore in order to swim Orletting go of the side of the pool.
You can't get to the otherside of the pool by holding on.
But if you can't see the other side ofthe pool and you can see that you're
letting go here, that is frightening.
It is really frightening.
Absolutely.
And we do, there is that real senseof fear of loss and sometimes I
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think as humans, we stay where we arebecause we like that predictability.
We know, and our brains, neurologically,we, our brains like the predictability.
We like the rhythm.
We like knowing what's coming next.
And so exactly.
And it's like, I can stay stuck here, butI know exactly what's going to happen.
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I know what my businessis going to be like.
I know what clients are going tobe like, but if I want to step into
something different, I have to let goof all of the safety to create that
step into that something different.
And oh my gosh, I don'twant to let go of safety.
And that's where having that support,having a coach is huge because they are
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that get to be that life preserver thatsays, okay, I'm going to catch you.
I'm going to support you.
And I can see the other side.
And
then if you have someone that cansee the other side and has helped
other people across to the otherside, You can go, okay, I can let go.
and there's that self trust too, like,okay, I trust that I can do this too.
Especially if I have somebody tosupport me, then I know I can do this.
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How would you like to see OTs get alittle more brave in the coming years?
Oh, own the skills that we have.
I'll tap back into the summit becausejust as that came up, Tiffany Lee,
who is absolutely phenomenal with thepelvic health summit, when she was
presenting, she said, stop asking forpermission for if we can do pelvic health.
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Yes.
And I was like, yes, that's it.
But that's the mindset of so manyof us, as OTs, me included when
I first started, was we're notreally owning our own skills, but
we're almost asking permission.
Like, can I step into mental health?
Absolutely.
Mental health is our background.
This is how we got started.
Can I step into pelvic health?
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Can I step into other areas of practice?
Can I step into coaching?
We're asking, can I, versus,I'm doing this and I have been a
firm believer of like do and askfor forgiveness for a long time.
But we need to step into that areawhere you know your skills and your
skill set is phenomenal as an OT.
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Yes.
And it might be that, if you're,I went from peds therapist to
pelvic health, so whole new skillset, but I wasn't starting over.
I wasn't a brand new therapist.
I had 10 years of work with peopleand more than that before I became
an OT, all of my skills and workingwith peds transferred to pelvic health
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because I'm working with humans.
I'm working in, and I have somany different ways that I can tap
into how my therapeutic self andthat relationship and all of that.
So own what you have, really beproud and stand in that space as
an OT, and you might be new to anarea, but you're not a new therapist.
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And even if you're a new therapist, you'renot new in working with people because I
guarantee if you're stepping into OT, asa human, you have worked with other humans
because you wouldn't be attracted to thiswork if you didn't work with other humans.
So really own what you have and thenlook at, okay, so what's that next step?
And come to the table in whatcan I learn and what can I give?
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Because even if it's just an energy and aexcitement, you're still giving something.
Awesome.
So if people want more ofyou, how do they find you?
What do you, what would youlike people to do right now?
Oh.
You can always find me on Instagramand Facebook, at Landy Peak.
I'm pretty easy to find there.
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and then I have Landy Peak,peek.com for my website.
And then I will also giveyou a link to my freebie.
What I love, it's a worksheet that willwork you through your thought shift.
And so, it'll literally walk you throughthe process of who do you want to be,
what circumstances are you currentlyworking from, because that's huge.
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So many of us are working from a set ofcircumstances, but they're not, they're
often stories and not absolute fact.
And so what circumstances, whatthought block is coming up.
And so it's just a way that it'llask you questions to go through.
And start planting the seeds to shift.
So I'll give you the link to thatand then you can, get that freebie.
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And be able to tap into justwhat are some of my blocks.
And who do I need to step in to beto create whatever I want to create.
I love that.
I love that.
Well, thank you so much for being here.
Oh, This has been a great
conversation.
Yeah.
This has been awesome.
I try to have shorter conversations.
It never works out.
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We go too deep.
This
is the deep, yeah, kitchen conversation.
Absolutely, 100%.
Well, thank you.
I so appreciate your time.
I hope the power of seeking supportwhen you need to break patterns that
are keeping you stuck rang clear,Whether it's through therapy, coaching,
group coaching, and mastermind,or simply allowing yourself to
feel and process your emotions.
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If you'd like to connect withLandy, you can find her on Instagram
and Facebook at Landy Peek, orvisit her website, landypeek.com.
And I'm not sure if you heard inJune as part of my adjusting pace,
I closed the door on entry to mysignature program, ACTivate Vitality,
which is a group coaching programfor therapy business owners to help
(01:00:47):
them thrive without the hustle.
I am preparing to open the doorsagain after a pause on all of the
sales and marketing stuff thatgoes with running such a business.
So I am going to put a link in theshow notes to book a call with me.
I would love to talk to you if youare a therapy business owner who is
looking for connection, community,collaboration, and co regulation with
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a group of therapists who get it andwho are trying to find their way in
this lonely world of private practice.
Thank you for listening.
And as always, Be Brave, OTs.
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