July 25, 2025 • 33 mins
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What happens when you trade financial security for soul-fulfilling work? Pamela Pope's transformation from tech sales executive to fitness professional offers a masterclass in following your intuition despite fear and uncertainty.
In this deeply personal conversation, Pamela shares how two corporate layoffs became the catalyst for embracing her true calling in the fitness world. Though initially intimidated by the financial implications, she discovered that the ability to witness her direct impact on clients' lives provided a satisfaction that no sales commission could match. "I finally feel like I'm doing what I was meant to be doing," she reflects, capturing the essence of vocational alignment.
Fitness enthusiasts will appreciate Pamela's insights into the Legree method—a challenging Pilates-inspired workout focused on time under tension rather than flow—and how this training modality became her gateway into full-time fitness instruction. As both a personal trainer and master Legree instructor, she brings a unique perspective on sustainable health practices that prioritize long-term lifestyle changes over quick fixes.
What truly distinguishes Pamela's approach is her commitment to authenticity. Rather than positioning herself as an untouchable fitness guru, she openly shares her own struggles with food and body image, creating deeper connections with clients. This vulnerability extends to her recent participation in the Hyrox endurance competition, where despite feeling intimidated by elite athletes, she embraced being outside her comfort zone and formed meaningful community connections.
For anyone contemplating their own fitness journey, Pamela offers refreshingly practical advice: start absurdly small. Drawing from James Clear's "Atomic Habits," she advocates for micro-goals like taking a five-minute walk rather than attempting dramatic transformations that quickly fizzle out. Her philosophy centers on extending your "health span" to match your lifespan—maintaining functional independence and joy throughout your entire life.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Do you want to lose weight but struggle to stay
committed to a meal plan becauseyou constantly feel hungry?
Does food provide you comfortwhen you're bored, angry, lonely
or sad?
If so, you are in the rightplace.
My name is Kristen Jones andI'm a life coach specializing in
emotional eating and weightloss, and I'm also a lifelong
(00:24):
emotional eater.
I want to provide you withinformation, motivation and
support so you, too, can learnto manage your issues with food
and develop a healthyrelationship with yourself.
Welcome to the BreakthroughEmotional Eating Podcast.
(00:58):
My name is Kristen Jones andthank you so much for joining me
this week.
So you all know that if I'm inthis studio, I'm interviewing
somebody.
Studio, I'm interviewingsomebody, and I'm interviewing
somebody that I love and respect, because I am interviewing
somebody that I work with alifetime.
So welcome to this week'spodcast.
This week's podcast is sospecial.
I don't know how long has itbeen that we've been trying to
plan this Like a month and ahalf, two months At least, at
(01:20):
least.
At least and it's not my fault,y'all.
She's just like at the busiest,she's the hardest working woman
in America.
I tell her that all the timeshe is so busy.
So my guest today is mywonderful, dear friend.
Do you want me to call you Pamor Pamela?
Which one would you prefer?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Either or Either one.
I call her Pam.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
So I'm just going to go Pam I like either or Pam.
So this is my friend, pam Pope,and she is a trainer and a
fellow Pilates instructor and,even better, she is a master
Legree instructor.
So if you don't know, if you'renot aware of what Legree is,
she will explain what it is.
But it's a style of, I wouldsay, a style of fitness or style
(01:59):
of exercise that is popularhere in the United States, in
California, and um.
So she is a master trainer inthat she has got all sorts of so
many crazy, crazycertifications and so many
amazing things that she does.
Um, but I wanted to bring heron because I wanted all of you
(02:20):
to meet her and, again, she'sgoing to share her philosophy
when it comes to how she workswith clients in the way of
eating and food and that sort ofthing, and how she encourages
her clients to just live theirbest lives, and so we'll talk
about that as well.
So, pam, it's so exciting tohave you here.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I'm so excited to be here Again.
This was in the works,Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
A long, long time coming.
So you all know that I used tobe a teacher and I was in kind
of mainstream work and Pam wasin mainstream work as well, and
so we have so many.
Our paths have been very, verysimilar, so I will let her
explain.
So tell us what.
(03:05):
How did you get into fitness?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
I mean, it's kind of like where does it begin so?
Well, first off, I, in highschool, I ran track and cross
country.
Oh, I didn't know that.
Yes, Long distance runner, soalways loved running.
In my twenties I ran marathons,which was great, was great which
(03:28):
was great, but it's hard onyour body, right, it's a lot on
your body.
Um, also, during that time, Igraduated college, got into tech
, got into tech sales.
You know how it goes right intech sales being in san
Francisco, everything's,everything's there, right.
So I was working software salesat a company and I saw a studio
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in San Francisco that saidLegree studio and I was like, oh
, what is this, what is this allabout?
And it was after I made adecision to stop running
marathons or take time off fromthem, which ended up not doing
them again, just because, somany stress fractures so many
run-ins harm your body.
Now don't get it twisted.
I still do run.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Right, right, right.
It's just a huge timecommitment too.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I mean, you got to schedule 20 mile runs.
It's a lot.
So I wanted to go into thestudio and I was like, oh you
know, I'm fresh off runningmarathons, I'm going to be good
at this.
I was humbled.
I was humbled.
So, for those of you that don'tknow what Legree is, legree is
a Pilates inspired type workout.
(04:32):
It's so hard, it's verychallenging.
So, as opposed to Pilates,that's more of a flow.
Legree is more time undertension.
So Pilates, everything that wedo is a flow.
Everything builds off of onething to the next, whereas
Legree is just more about beingin movements for a long time,
right and little movements.
Yes, little movements, tinymovements, small, itty bitty
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movements.
So, needless to say, I was notgood and it was humbling.
It was very humbling and that'skind of when I started to
venture out of just running andI fell in love with the gray.
I loved it, um, I, there wasstudios that I went to all
throughout San Francisco and Iand were you in Brad living in
San Francisco?
No, okay, so this is when I wasin Texas, commuting, commuting
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back and forth and throughdifferent jobs in tech.
I still was loving LaGree andabout, think, I would say, four
years into it, I, there was aninstructor that I really, really
liked who ended up opening astudio out here in Walnut Creek
like, oh, this would, this,would be fun, as a side side
hustle, you know this was.
(05:39):
I mean, this was what eight,yeah, eight years ago now, when,
like the whole side hustlething, right, that was like a
buzz term, right, like what'syour side hustle?
Uh, so I started teaching and I, I loved it even more.
It made me respect the methodeven more.
It made me, um, feel even moreconfident in my method, doing it
myself and then also teachingit.
(06:00):
Um, so still was in tech.
Then, about two, three, threeyears in I've I've got laid off
from my first, my first tech joband it was a bummer, right,
like it was tough, like anyonewho's been fired or uh, how do
(06:23):
you say it?
Laid off either way.
Without a job it sucks, it hits, it hits your ego, right, it
makes you feel like crap.
So I was like okay, I'm gettingmy husband.
My boyfriend at the time waslike why don't you do fitness
full time?
Speaker 1 (06:34):
And I was like so sweet of him to do that, oh my
gosh, because most of the timethey're like no, no, you have to
have a regular paycheck,exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Exactly.
But he knew like how much Icame alive in the fitness sphere
and I was like no, no, no, I'mstill going to keep it a side
gig.
And I did and it was great, andthen flash forward to about
maybe two years after that.
I got laid off again After that.
I got laid off again, and it wasaround the time that our
(07:06):
current place of employment,where you and I work, was
opening and I was, like you know, I got to take the leap.
I got to take the leap.
I'm not happy in tech.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I'm not happy in tech and a lot of it was just I was
over the rat race of you know,you're only as good as your next
sale and I was just really justburnt out from it, like
completely burnt out and turnedoff from it.
And were there a lot of womenin tech sales Not really
Fighting against, I mean?
Speaker 2 (07:41):
that's.
I mean that's.
I don't want to say therewasn't any right, but it was a
few and far between Right, right.
It was so that that made itdifficult, because I connect
with women very, very well, moreso than men most of the time.
Um, yeah, so I, I, I took theleap and I was like you know
(08:01):
what, um I?
I was introduced to Kristen andI's current place of employment
and I started group fitnesshere.
I was like, oh, this is awesome.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
And then so before we started working together, you,
you were, you were just then.
You were still in tech at thattime when you started working.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
When I started?
No, when I started working here, I was already out.
Okay, I was out.
How long had you been out?
Like a month.
Oh, my God, it wasn't long atall, wow yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I didn't know that.
I didn't know it was that soon.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
It wasn't, it wasn't long at all.
And, yeah, personal trainingcame up and I was like, oh, wow,
that could be something that Iwould really like.
It sounds great, like I connectwith people, like I love
connecting with a group ofpeople, but what would it be
like to have a deeper connectionwith people, one-on-one?
(08:48):
I thought of it as a challengeand I thought of it as obviously
a career change for me and kindof, the rest is history.
Yeah, right, so I teach here atour current place of employment
still love Legree ended upbecoming a master trainer in
Legree and I, I just it's.
I finally feel like I'm doingwhat I was meant to be doing and
(09:10):
I've said this before, but youcan't.
I mean, do I miss the money?
Sure, yeah, I do.
I mean I do, but I wasn't happy,right, right, I wasn't happy, I
wasn't, I wasn't doing what Iwas meant to be doing, and I
feel like, ultimately, my mainpurpose has always been to be at
service to people and in techsales, and when you're selling
(09:32):
software, it's just really hardto see your impact, right, right
.
And so here, when I'm workingwith people, one-on-one or even
a small group setting, or even alarge group setting, I can see
my impact right in front of meand there's nothing to me that
is more gratifying and more um,more enriching to my soul and my
(09:53):
being than, ultimately, beingat service to people.
And I think fitness is just onepart, one way to do that, and
that's where I've found thatthis is my niche and, like I
said, my husband time boyfriendfor years was telling me do
fitness do?
Fitness and I think a lot of ittoo, is like oh, I'm not good
enough.
You know how am I going to doit.
(10:15):
It's not.
It's not as consistent, as youknow, having a nine to five job.
Like that's scary, that's scaryand and you know I'm I'm not 25
anymore, so like that, that partof it too is very scary.
Um, but it just worked out, itjust worked out.
It just worked out when, like I, just when you find something
(10:37):
that you know is right for you,the work you put into it yeah,
it's work and yeah it's hard,but it doesn't feel like soul
taking, like taking away yoursoul, right.
It's like, yeah, I getexhausted doing 10 hour days,
but I'm much happier.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Right, exactly Right, and that's one of the things I
know, that I, I y'all, I'll tellyou she works and so she has a
ton of clients, and she has aton of clients in both Pilates
and in personal training, andit's because she works really
hard and she does a great job.
But she also is out there, sheputs herself out there, and the
(11:16):
other thing I have to say andshe would never say this is so
she has a Pilates fusion classthat she teaches on Mondays, and
Fridays.
There is not a week that goes bythat her class is not
wait-listed.
There is not.
And you have like regulars andI've subbed the class and I'm
like y'all aren't here but yourbest cause, pam's not here, not
(11:37):
the people I know, and I'm likeyou're coming to see you.
So I know you have such, youhave such a huge following and
you have so many people thatyou've connected with.
But you've also taken a hugeyou.
You've kind of put yourselfinto a leadership role here and
you and you're in second incommand in personal training and
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that's something, by the way, Inever thought I would get into.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Leadership is always something like when I was in
software sales that seemed likeI could never do that and I
didn't want to at that time.
But it was something that waslike why would I ever want to?
How could I do that?
I don't even have my shit stufftogether, like I don't even
have, like how could I lead?
(12:22):
How could I lead people, right?
So when that opportunity cameup I was like what?
Yeah, no.
But then I was like, wait,maybe I can do that Absolutely,
and so that's been.
Another part that's been very,very, um, very gratifying is
being able to share how Iconnect with people and how that
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others can do that in their ownway.
Right, like uplifting others toconnect with people Right, and
it just it takes.
It takes a lot, but once you getto a point where you really
like thrive on connecting withothers, it becomes a almost like
they're giving you somethingright Like it's like and I tell
(13:08):
clients that all the time wholike they'll come in and they'll
be like oh my gosh, I don'tknow what I would do without my
time without you.
And I'm like I don't know whatI would do that my time with you
you like, you know, like thisis an equal right and equal
relationship, but yeah,absolutely Part of taking a leap
is that other things happenthat you think couldn't happen,
right.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
And that you might not have had the.
You might not have had thecourage or the confidence when
you were in tech sales.
But then because here and now,this presented to you, it was
like, oh well, yeah, maybe.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I could yeah.
I could do that and maybe Icould be even good at it, yeah
she's so good at it.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
I saw some notes that she took on one of her staff
meetings and I was like manshe's so good.
She had so many greatsuggestions for the other
trainers.
That was amazing.
So where do you see yourbusiness?
Because you are like your ownbusiness, you are your own, your
own personal brand, your ownpersonal business.
Um, so you have all thesedifferent things that you're
(14:01):
doing.
So you have your, your personaltraining, you have your Pilates
and, and you and those arethings that they don't have to
be within these four walls.
They could be any place andthen you have your Legree master
trainer as a, as a Legreeinstructor.
Where do you see, where do yousee your business going?
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Where would you like your business to go?
It's so funny Cause I I getasked this like semi often and I
, honestly, I just want to keepdoing what I'm doing.
I don't really see like, when Iwas in tech, I was always
chasing after the next thing,the next thing, the next thing,
and it started to feel like Iwas in a dark alley just running
in the dark.
And right now I'm just at aplace where I want to keep doing
what I'm doing.
I want to keep being at serviceto people.
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I want to keep making people,leaving an impact on people.
I want people to feel differentwhen they walk away from a
session with me.
I want them to feel, wow, I didthat and I'm glad I did it and
I am a different person becauseof it.
So I don't really it sounds bad,but I just want to continue
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what I'm doing and kind of takeit one day at a time, because in
tech, like I said, I was alwayslooking for the next thing, the
next thing, the next thing, thenext thing, the next thing, and
you know, as my mom always,always says, one day at a time.
Right, I just want to keep keepdoing, keep doing what I'm
doing and keep buildingconnections with people, because
ultimately, that's how I growas a trainer, as an instructor,
as a woman, as an adult, as anindividual, and I feel like, as
(15:30):
long as that's happening, I'm ina good place, right.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Right.
So that's kind of where I willand I will say, and I, uh, and
you and I have not not talkedabout this, but the way it's
interesting that you would talkabout your impact on your
clients and what I see assomebody who works with you, I
see your impact on the othertrainers because you are in a
supervisory role and I and sowhen I say that, because I have
seen the notes that she writesit from these staff meetings and
they're, they're really, I mean, you're giving such good,
(16:00):
you're giving such goodinformation to your other
trainers and you're likeinspiring them to be better.
And so it's not just the impactthat you have on your, your
actual clients, but it's theimpact that you have on these
other people that are justtrying to do what you're doing.
They're trying to up-leveltheir game and make as much
money as they can and servepeople and all of that.
But but you're, I don't, Idon't even know if you're even
(16:22):
aware that you, that that's that.
That, as an outsider, I seethat where your huge impact is
is on those other trainers.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Well, and that's all I mean, ultimately that's,
that's something I would like to.
I mean I would like to lead.
Mostly, I like to be a leader atservice right so you'll never
catch me the kind of leaderthat's sitting in an office or
not doing the work, that peopleI don't want to say below me,
but people subordinates.
I want to be in there, I wantto be doing it all with them
(16:49):
right.
I want to be seen as a partner,I want to be seen as an ally to
them, but I can speak to itbecause I'm doing it Right.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
And that's the only way that it's really authentic
and that's where people aregoing to respect you and listen.
Yeah Is if you're in thetrenches.
Yeah, you're in the trenches,exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
So ultimately, that makes me feel happy because I do
want that.
I do want people to see look,she's happy doing what she's
doing, doing what she's doing,she's confident in what she's
doing.
Let me like how is she doingthat?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Right, Like just just by watching, right, Just by
watching.
Yeah, absolutely so.
When you work with, with people, whether it's in Pilates or
whether it's in personaltraining most of the time I'm
quite sure, more so withpersonal training than anything
else, but Pilates is probablythe same you probably have
people coming in who are sayingI want to change this about my
body, this is what I want towork on, blah, blah, blah.
So when you, as a trainer, what, what is your philosophy when
it comes to, you know, to togetting in, to being the best
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person that you can be, orgetting in the best shape that
you want to be in?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
So the way I, the way I work with my clients, is like
how do I say this?
I'm looking more to work withpeople who want a long-term, who
are looking.
I mean, sure, I work withpeople who say have certain
goals and like, hey, I want tolose 20 pounds before this event
, or oh, I want to do this.
And like it's not that I don'twant to help them, I do, but I
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want to to.
I want them to understand thatit goes beyond that 20 pounds,
right.
So what, what?
What happens after we lose that20 pounds?
What, right?
Like, what more do are welooking for, right?
So for me it's like it's, it'sa lifestyle thing.
Right, it's a lifestyle.
And I'm a big person that's bigon slow and steady wins, the
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race, celebrating the small wins, right, one thing at a time.
Oftentimes I'll have people comein for personal training
sessions who haven't worked outmaybe ever, and they're in their
later 60s and they're talkingto their physician and their
physician's telling them like,hey, listen, you got to work out
.
And for those individuals it'shard for them, right, because
(18:50):
they haven't done it before andit's frustrating.
They're like why can't I dothis?
Like I'm, I'm, I'm older, butlike why, why can't this happen?
So for me, I like to keep it avery um, a relationship type
thing, right.
So I want to educate them.
I want them to feel like theycan go out into the gym floor
and I mean this is particular inpersonal training but I want
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them to feel like they could dothe workout without me.
I don't want them to feel likethey have to.
I want to empower them,especially women, that hey, you
can come out on the gym floorand you can start lifting, like
you can do this.
I mean, obviously I want towork with you know my clients
forever, but I also want them tobe.
I want to empower them to dothat Right, and still work with
(19:31):
me.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah, exactly Right.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
So for me, again, it's more about the long run,
right, the long.
And some, some of those peopleare like, hey, I just want to
lose this 20 pounds, okay, I canhelp you get there.
But just know that, like, whatelse do we want?
Because after that it's kind oflike well, what else?
Right.
So I'd like to have it like afull, full scope, right, like
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full.
Like like the mental healthaspect is very, very, very
important to me, um, and I thinkall of those things come
together right and they lead toa healthy lifestyle if you're
given the right tools and you'regiven the right support.
And so a lot of what I do isoutside of exercise and
nutrition and all.
A lot of it's mental health.
(20:16):
A lot of it is like I just hadthe worst day of my life at work
, okay, or I just got fired,right, right, I just had the
worst day of my life at work.
Okay, or I just got fired Right,right, got laid up.
Okay, let's sit and talk aboutthat for a little bit and let's
go work out.
Okay, let's, let's, let's putit all together, let's put it to
something good.
But I think that to be asuccessful trainer and to be
successful in anything that'sinterpersonal or where you're
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being at service to people, isto really show your
vulnerability right andvulnerability I guess it is kind
of like a buzzword, you know,but it's it's true though, right
.
So I like to share, you know,some of my struggles, right,
I've I've had struggles withfood, I've had struggles with
body image and things like that,and I think that when I share
that with my clients, I used tothink, oh, I can't share that.
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That makes me seem like I don'tknow what I'm talking about,
but really it shows that they'renot alone, absolutely, and
we're all human Right Right, andthat's why we do what we do,
because we want to help people,because we've been there.
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
At the end of the day, I'm justa girl too, trying to survive
in this male-dominated world,but we're just trying to survive
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here, so I think that that'ssomething that really, really
makes people feel comfortable.
So I mean, yeah, for me, I'm init for the long haul with them.
I want them to feel like theycan do it.
They can do it, we can do it.
But those people that wantthose short fixes, I try to like
dig a little bit deeper, right,right, I.
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But those people that wantthose short fixes, I try to like
dig a little bit deeper, right,right.
I definitely want people to seeand feel results, but I want
them to understand that true andlasting results takes years.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Oh yeah, years, Absolutely Years, years, years,
maybe even longer.
Right, and the truth is, mostpeople don't want to hear that,
but it's the truth, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
The longer something takes, the more chance it has of
lasting Absolutely, absolutely.
So that just made me think of,um, your you just recently, well
recently in February, did a, uh, a competition an athletic
competition.
So tell tell, tell the audienceabout that.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
So Hyrox is, oh wow, so Hyrox is.
It's an endurance competition,uh, where there's a lot of
running involved and thenthere's different stations.
So you run 0.6 miles 10 timesand in between those runs you do
things like a sled pole, uh,farmer carriers, lunges, all
sorts of things, and very out ofmy comfort zone, very, very out
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of my comfort zone.
And I was asked because a wholebunch of people at our place of
employment were doing it andI'm a huge, big person on
community right.
I mean, I was like Whoa,everyone's going together, and
it was in Vegas.
So say no more Um, but yeah, andI, I ended up doing it with um.
I got paired up with a girlhere who now is a good friend of
(23:03):
mine.
We're doing another competitiontogether, but it was just so,
so, so fun to do something thatwas so out of my comfort zone,
right, a lot of the people thatwere doing it were people who
are their fitness level is a lothigher than mine and I was like
God, how am I going to do this,how am I going to do this?
But it doesn't matter, right,like, and you go to these things
(23:25):
.
I mean, it's even like when Iwas running marathons, you see
people all shapes and sizes.
Right, and that's the beauty ofit, right, is that everybody is
welcome?
Right, but it was just, it wasan amazing experience to be
alongside coworkers anddifferent members of our place
of employment and just beingtogether like that.
To me, it gets me the most,most excited.
And then you know, obviously,the, the, the runner's high you
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get and all that.
Oh, yeah, it's wonderful, butit was, it was great, and aren't
you gonna do it?
Are you gonna do it?
She's gonna do it, she's gonnado it you guys, she's gonna do
it, I'm gonna do it.
I'm a little old, but she'sgonna do it.
She's gonna do it.
No, but you have to.
You hear they just announcedVegas in February.
Oh, it's in February again.
Well, no, there's supposed tobe one in Anaheim.
Okay, that's right.
(24:07):
Do you guys want to go toAnaheim in December?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
And then there's one in Vegas in February and then
some people are doing Chicago,want to do it to try to get
certain times Like I want it tobe fun and I feel like if I do
it too much I'll get a littletoo obsessive.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah, you know I can understand that Um and so and
that kind of falls in line withthat, with that long-term of
like you're looking for.
They're looking for morelong-term, like health, to be
able to do these things that youdidn't know that you could do,
to challenge yourself, to getyourself to that point where you
feel like, okay, I can, I cando this, I can use my body.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yes, and it's an endurance race and I love
endurance.
Endurance is my, my, myfavorite, but um it was a little
intimidating at first there'ssome really high up there
athletes that do it.
But again it was all about theexperience and everyone's
together.
You know I met a great friendout of.
Again it was all about theexperience and everyone together
.
You know, I met a great friendout of it and it was just, it
(25:05):
was a blast.
It was a blast and I can't waitto do it again.
There's something to be saidfor, you know, physically dying
not really dying, but you know,working out to the point where
you feel like you're going todie a little bit.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Right, it was kind of good yeah absolutely Not every
day, and most of the time when Isee her and she's gotten off
the treadmill, she's like I'mout there fighting for my life.
I'm not a treadmill or thestepper.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, it's so true.
I think people have thismisconception that exercise, if
you work out a lot, becomes easyand it's like no, no, no, no,
no, no, it's still hard.
In fact, it may it harder,right, exactly.
So that's why I try to relaythat to my clients and people I
meet that, hey, I'm just a girlthat's trying to work out too
(25:49):
and, you know, stay fit and beable to live a life as I age in
a way that I don't have to relyon people.
Right, right, exactly.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Exactly.
So what would you?
What would you tell somebodywho, somebody who's who's
listening to us, to have thisconversation and and it's like,
oh, but that's you know, that'syou guys are already in fitness.
Like you guys already.
Like you, you do that stuff allthe time.
Like I can't do that.
I, I don't know where to start,I don't know what to do, or I
can't belong to a gym because Idon't have, you know, I don't
(26:17):
have the finances.
What would you like, what wouldbe your suggestion to somebody
who's just like knows this wouldprobably be a good thing for
them to do, but they just don'tknow where to start?
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah, yeah, I would say everybody had to start
somewhere.
I mean, like, when I came, camehere, I had very little
strength training backgroundbesides Liguree, which is on a
machine with springs, but Ididn't and my running background
.
I came in here not not knowinga whole ton, but what I did was
I immersed myself in it and Iwanted to learn it and I wanted
(26:48):
to be to be knowledgeable in it.
And I think it starts with justdoing it.
Just doing it like anythingLike, even if it's if it's
getting outside walking for fiveminutes, right.
I don't know if you've heardthis book and probably have, but
atomic habits yes, absolutelyFantastic book, right?
So I think it's about makingsmall, tiny goals for yourself.
And I struggle with this myselftoo, because I'm like I'll make
(27:11):
a goal for myself.
I'm like, oh, that's such aneasy goal, Like.
It's like getting in your carand going to the gym, right.
But it's, but you have to startthere.
You can't bypass that part andgo to the running 10 miles.
You can't.
It just doesn't work that way.
I mean you can, but then guesswhat?
You're going to hate it andyou're never going to do it
again, right?
So I'd say small, small, tiny,tiny little bits, small micro
(27:33):
things that are totallyachievable.
In the book I think he talksabout too, the gym going,
parking your car not getting outof the car, but just parking
your car there and then leaving,and then the next time, okay
maybe, walking in towards thosedoors.
But for folks who can't affordthings like gyms, these things
(27:55):
that we unfortunately areexpensive, get outside, get
outside.
There's something to be saidfor going for a walk, right,
like, go for a walk five minutesfive minutes, five minutes,
that's it.
And then every day just add alittle bit more, Add a little
bit and you might be like ohwell, that was just a five
minute walk, that doesn't count.
I didn't do anything.
No, it does count, because thisis, this is slow and steady,
(28:18):
wins the race here because we'regoing for life, right.
And if we just look at, yeah,events can kind of kickstart us,
which are great, but like, ifwe need to get out of the oh,
this is I'm doing this for thisor I'm doing this for that, no,
no, I'm doing this for life, forlife, right.
I love that.
Just do it.
Just do, just do something, youknow.
And small, small, do it.
(28:38):
Just do something.
And small, small, small, tinymicro ones.
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Awesome.
So this, you know, my podcastis.
I have people who listen to mypodcast all over, but for
anybody who's in our area,anybody who happens, any of our
members who are listening tothis, if they want, if they
would like to be, if they wantto learn more about you and
they're interested in workingwith you, what do they need to
do?
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Okay, well, we can leave.
Maybe, like my Instagram,absolutely Leave my Instagram.
I'm always looking to meetpeople, right?
I'm always looking because,again, it's the kind of thing
where I feel like I'm getting asmuch out of it as others are.
My Instagram is a great placeto find me here at our place of
(29:24):
employment is a great place tofind me, but I'm always always
give me a holler, always say hi,always say hi.
Yeah, but I'm around a lot.
I mean, I live in the area too,so I know that you have
listeners from all over, but I'min the area and I think that
also helps being in thecommunity and living in the
community that you work in.
Not that you have to, but Ithink that that helps too.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Right, she's so healthy she walks to work.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
I mean, she's so lucky, she's not so close, but
she walks to work.
I mean, that is a perk, that isa perk All those years of
taking public transportation.
Godspeed to all of you thattake part over in the Bay Area.
Exactly, exactly, yeah, always.
Come say hi, okay, instagram.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Good.
Well, thank you so much fortaking the time to come do this,
and I just think that I thinkyour philosophy and everything
that you're doing is so is, andyou're just such a great example
of somebody who, yes, you werein a position where you were,
yeah, you were probably makingreally good money, and but it
was, but you weren't happy, andyou just can't put a price tag
on that Right, I could have keptdoing it.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
I could have kept doing it, but like, at what
point is it like?
And then what, right, and thenwhat, and then what.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Right, right, well, and that's where, and that's the
way I was.
I was like how many, how long?
When is it ever going to bethat I'm not working to the
weekend or I'm not working forsummer vacation, and then,
halfway through the summer, I'mdreading the fact that, like, oh
, I only have five weeks leftand I have to go back to work.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
What am I going to do ?
And it's like I just knew thatthat wasn't how I wanted to live
my life, and I also do want toclarify I'm not hating on tech
or software sales by any means.
It's a great living, but itwasn't for me Right.
And I stayed in it too longbecause I was scared.
Yeah, Because I was scared,Because I was scared of getting
outside of my comfort zone,scared that I might fail at
something even though I wasalready failing at something
Right, right, because youweren't listening to your heart.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
It's so true.
It's so true, so true yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Good.
I love you too, so thank you,thank you all for joining us
this week.
I'm so, so honored.
I will continue to highlightthe people that I work with and
the amazing things that they'redoing, and just share some
different philosophies anddifferent ways of looking at
fitness and movement and ahealthy lifestyle, because I
think everybody has to pickwhat's going to work for them
and and really what's going tobe something that's going to be
sustainable, Because that'sreally the bottom line is that
(31:44):
it's not just a quick fix.
It's something that you reallywant to incorporate in your life
for the long term, because it'sgoing to extend your life and
somebody was talking to me aboutthere's our lifespan and then
there's our health span.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
It's kind of the new buzzword yes, and having a
health span that is as long asyour lifespan, and that they're
equal, so you're able to doexactly what you want to do for
as long as you, as long asyou're living, and that's what
we really want to do.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
So that's the ultimate goal right it's to keep
living.
Right it's to keep living andkeep living a lifestyle where we
can be with our family, we canbe with our friends and we keep
doing what makes us happy.
Yeah happy.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Yeah, absolutely All right y'all.
Thank you so much for joiningus and I will see you all next
week.
All right, Take care Bye.
Thank you for listening to thisweek's episode.
If you are interested inlearning more about how I can
help you understand and manageyour emotional eating, including
the use of hypnosis to uncoverthe root cause of your eating,
(32:45):
go to my website,kristinjonescoachingcom.
Do you want to lose weight but struggle to stay
committed to a meal plan becauseyou constantly feel hungry?
Does food provide you comfortwhen you're bored, angry, lonely
or sad?
If so, you are in the rightplace.
My name is Kristen Jones andI'm a life coach specializing in
emotional eating and weightloss, and I'm also a lifelong
(00:24):
emotional eater.
I want to provide you withinformation, motivation and
support so you, too, can learnto manage your issues with food
and develop a healthyrelationship with yourself.
Welcome to the BreakthroughEmotional Eating Podcast.
(00:58):
My name is Kristen Jones andthank you so much for joining me
this week.
So you all know that if I'm inthis studio, I'm interviewing
somebody.
Studio, I'm interviewingsomebody, and I'm interviewing
somebody that I love and respect, because I am interviewing
somebody that I work with alifetime.
So welcome to this week'spodcast.
This week's podcast is sospecial.
I don't know how long has itbeen that we've been trying to
plan this Like a month and ahalf, two months At least, at
(01:20):
least.
At least and it's not my fault,y'all.
She's just like at the busiest,she's the hardest working woman
in America.
I tell her that all the timeshe is so busy.
So my guest today is mywonderful, dear friend.
Do you want me to call you Pamor Pamela?
Which one would you prefer?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Either or Either one.
I call her Pam.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
So I'm just going to go Pam I like either or Pam.
So this is my friend, pam Pope,and she is a trainer and a
fellow Pilates instructor and,even better, she is a master
Legree instructor.
So if you don't know, if you'renot aware of what Legree is,
she will explain what it is.
But it's a style of, I wouldsay, a style of fitness or style
(01:59):
of exercise that is popularhere in the United States, in
California, and um.
So she is a master trainer inthat she has got all sorts of so
many crazy, crazycertifications and so many
amazing things that she does.
Um, but I wanted to bring heron because I wanted all of you
(02:20):
to meet her and, again, she'sgoing to share her philosophy
when it comes to how she workswith clients in the way of
eating and food and that sort ofthing, and how she encourages
her clients to just live theirbest lives, and so we'll talk
about that as well.
So, pam, it's so exciting tohave you here.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I'm so excited to be here Again.
This was in the works,Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
A long, long time coming.
So you all know that I used tobe a teacher and I was in kind
of mainstream work and Pam wasin mainstream work as well, and
so we have so many.
Our paths have been very, verysimilar, so I will let her
explain.
So tell us what.
(03:05):
How did you get into fitness?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
I mean, it's kind of like where does it begin so?
Well, first off, I, in highschool, I ran track and cross
country.
Oh, I didn't know that.
Yes, Long distance runner, soalways loved running.
In my twenties I ran marathons,which was great, was great which
(03:28):
was great, but it's hard onyour body, right, it's a lot on
your body.
Um, also, during that time, Igraduated college, got into tech
, got into tech sales.
You know how it goes right intech sales being in san
Francisco, everything's,everything's there, right.
So I was working software salesat a company and I saw a studio
(03:51):
in San Francisco that saidLegree studio and I was like, oh
, what is this, what is this allabout?
And it was after I made adecision to stop running
marathons or take time off fromthem, which ended up not doing
them again, just because, somany stress fractures so many
run-ins harm your body.
Now don't get it twisted.
I still do run.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Right, right, right.
It's just a huge timecommitment too.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I mean, you got to schedule 20 mile runs.
It's a lot.
So I wanted to go into thestudio and I was like, oh you
know, I'm fresh off runningmarathons, I'm going to be good
at this.
I was humbled.
I was humbled.
So, for those of you that don'tknow what Legree is, legree is
a Pilates inspired type workout.
(04:32):
It's so hard, it's verychallenging.
So, as opposed to Pilates,that's more of a flow.
Legree is more time undertension.
So Pilates, everything that wedo is a flow.
Everything builds off of onething to the next, whereas
Legree is just more about beingin movements for a long time,
right and little movements.
Yes, little movements, tinymovements, small, itty bitty
(04:54):
movements.
So, needless to say, I was notgood and it was humbling.
It was very humbling and that'skind of when I started to
venture out of just running andI fell in love with the gray.
I loved it, um, I, there wasstudios that I went to all
throughout San Francisco and Iand were you in Brad living in
San Francisco?
No, okay, so this is when I wasin Texas, commuting, commuting
(05:18):
back and forth and throughdifferent jobs in tech.
I still was loving LaGree andabout, think, I would say, four
years into it, I, there was aninstructor that I really, really
liked who ended up opening astudio out here in Walnut Creek
like, oh, this would, this,would be fun, as a side side
hustle, you know this was.
(05:39):
I mean, this was what eight,yeah, eight years ago now, when,
like the whole side hustlething, right, that was like a
buzz term, right, like what'syour side hustle?
Uh, so I started teaching and I, I loved it even more.
It made me respect the methodeven more.
It made me, um, feel even moreconfident in my method, doing it
myself and then also teachingit.
(06:00):
Um, so still was in tech.
Then, about two, three, threeyears in I've I've got laid off
from my first, my first tech joband it was a bummer, right,
like it was tough, like anyonewho's been fired or uh, how do
(06:23):
you say it?
Laid off either way.
Without a job it sucks, it hits, it hits your ego, right, it
makes you feel like crap.
So I was like okay, I'm gettingmy husband.
My boyfriend at the time waslike why don't you do fitness
full time?
Speaker 1 (06:34):
And I was like so sweet of him to do that, oh my
gosh, because most of the timethey're like no, no, you have to
have a regular paycheck,exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Exactly.
But he knew like how much Icame alive in the fitness sphere
and I was like no, no, no, I'mstill going to keep it a side
gig.
And I did and it was great, andthen flash forward to about
maybe two years after that.
I got laid off again After that.
I got laid off again, and it wasaround the time that our
(07:06):
current place of employment,where you and I work, was
opening and I was, like you know, I got to take the leap.
I got to take the leap.
I'm not happy in tech.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I'm not happy in tech and a lot of it was just I was
over the rat race of you know,you're only as good as your next
sale and I was just really justburnt out from it, like
completely burnt out and turnedoff from it.
And were there a lot of womenin tech sales Not really
Fighting against, I mean?
Speaker 2 (07:41):
that's.
I mean that's.
I don't want to say therewasn't any right, but it was a
few and far between Right, right.
It was so that that made itdifficult, because I connect
with women very, very well, moreso than men most of the time.
Um, yeah, so I, I, I took theleap and I was like you know
(08:01):
what, um I?
I was introduced to Kristen andI's current place of employment
and I started group fitnesshere.
I was like, oh, this is awesome.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
And then so before we started working together, you,
you were, you were just then.
You were still in tech at thattime when you started working.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
When I started?
No, when I started working here, I was already out.
Okay, I was out.
How long had you been out?
Like a month.
Oh, my God, it wasn't long atall, wow yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I didn't know that.
I didn't know it was that soon.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
It wasn't, it wasn't long at all.
And, yeah, personal trainingcame up and I was like, oh, wow,
that could be something that Iwould really like.
It sounds great, like I connectwith people, like I love
connecting with a group ofpeople, but what would it be
like to have a deeper connectionwith people, one-on-one?
(08:48):
I thought of it as a challengeand I thought of it as obviously
a career change for me and kindof, the rest is history.
Yeah, right, so I teach here atour current place of employment
still love Legree ended upbecoming a master trainer in
Legree and I, I just it's.
I finally feel like I'm doingwhat I was meant to be doing and
(09:10):
I've said this before, but youcan't.
I mean, do I miss the money?
Sure, yeah, I do.
I mean I do, but I wasn't happy,right, right, I wasn't happy, I
wasn't, I wasn't doing what Iwas meant to be doing, and I
feel like, ultimately, my mainpurpose has always been to be at
service to people and in techsales, and when you're selling
(09:32):
software, it's just really hardto see your impact, right, right
.
And so here, when I'm workingwith people, one-on-one or even
a small group setting, or even alarge group setting, I can see
my impact right in front of meand there's nothing to me that
is more gratifying and more um,more enriching to my soul and my
(09:53):
being than, ultimately, beingat service to people.
And I think fitness is just onepart, one way to do that, and
that's where I've found thatthis is my niche and, like I
said, my husband time boyfriendfor years was telling me do
fitness do?
Fitness and I think a lot of ittoo, is like oh, I'm not good
enough.
You know how am I going to doit.
(10:15):
It's not.
It's not as consistent, as youknow, having a nine to five job.
Like that's scary, that's scaryand and you know I'm I'm not 25
anymore, so like that, that partof it too is very scary.
Um, but it just worked out, itjust worked out.
It just worked out when, like I, just when you find something
(10:37):
that you know is right for you,the work you put into it yeah,
it's work and yeah it's hard,but it doesn't feel like soul
taking, like taking away yoursoul, right.
It's like, yeah, I getexhausted doing 10 hour days,
but I'm much happier.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Right, exactly Right, and that's one of the things I
know, that I, I y'all, I'll tellyou she works and so she has a
ton of clients, and she has aton of clients in both Pilates
and in personal training, andit's because she works really
hard and she does a great job.
But she also is out there, sheputs herself out there, and the
(11:16):
other thing I have to say andshe would never say this is so
she has a Pilates fusion classthat she teaches on Mondays, and
Fridays.
There is not a week that goes bythat her class is not
wait-listed.
There is not.
And you have like regulars andI've subbed the class and I'm
like y'all aren't here but yourbest cause, pam's not here, not
(11:37):
the people I know, and I'm likeyou're coming to see you.
So I know you have such, youhave such a huge following and
you have so many people thatyou've connected with.
But you've also taken a hugeyou.
You've kind of put yourselfinto a leadership role here and
you and you're in second incommand in personal training and
(11:58):
that's something, by the way, Inever thought I would get into.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Leadership is always something like when I was in
software sales that seemed likeI could never do that and I
didn't want to at that time.
But it was something that waslike why would I ever want to?
How could I do that?
I don't even have my shit stufftogether, like I don't even
have, like how could I lead?
(12:22):
How could I lead people, right?
So when that opportunity cameup I was like what?
Yeah, no.
But then I was like, wait,maybe I can do that Absolutely,
and so that's been.
Another part that's been very,very, um, very gratifying is
being able to share how Iconnect with people and how that
(12:45):
others can do that in their ownway.
Right, like uplifting others toconnect with people Right, and
it just it takes.
It takes a lot, but once you getto a point where you really
like thrive on connecting withothers, it becomes a almost like
they're giving you somethingright Like it's like and I tell
(13:08):
clients that all the time wholike they'll come in and they'll
be like oh my gosh, I don'tknow what I would do without my
time without you.
And I'm like I don't know whatI would do that my time with you
you like, you know, like thisis an equal right and equal
relationship, but yeah,absolutely Part of taking a leap
is that other things happenthat you think couldn't happen,
right.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
And that you might not have had the.
You might not have had thecourage or the confidence when
you were in tech sales.
But then because here and now,this presented to you, it was
like, oh well, yeah, maybe.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I could yeah.
I could do that and maybe Icould be even good at it, yeah
she's so good at it.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
I saw some notes that she took on one of her staff
meetings and I was like manshe's so good.
She had so many greatsuggestions for the other
trainers.
That was amazing.
So where do you see yourbusiness?
Because you are like your ownbusiness, you are your own, your
own personal brand, your ownpersonal business.
Um, so you have all thesedifferent things that you're
(14:01):
doing.
So you have your, your personaltraining, you have your Pilates
and, and you and those arethings that they don't have to
be within these four walls.
They could be any place andthen you have your Legree master
trainer as a, as a Legreeinstructor.
Where do you see, where do yousee your business going?
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Where would you like your business to go?
It's so funny Cause I I getasked this like semi often and I
, honestly, I just want to keepdoing what I'm doing.
I don't really see like, when Iwas in tech, I was always
chasing after the next thing,the next thing, the next thing,
and it started to feel like Iwas in a dark alley just running
in the dark.
And right now I'm just at aplace where I want to keep doing
what I'm doing.
I want to keep being at serviceto people.
(14:42):
I want to keep making people,leaving an impact on people.
I want people to feel differentwhen they walk away from a
session with me.
I want them to feel, wow, I didthat and I'm glad I did it and
I am a different person becauseof it.
So I don't really it sounds bad,but I just want to continue
(15:05):
what I'm doing and kind of takeit one day at a time, because in
tech, like I said, I was alwayslooking for the next thing, the
next thing, the next thing, thenext thing, the next thing, and
you know, as my mom always,always says, one day at a time.
Right, I just want to keep keepdoing, keep doing what I'm
doing and keep buildingconnections with people, because
ultimately, that's how I growas a trainer, as an instructor,
as a woman, as an adult, as anindividual, and I feel like, as
(15:30):
long as that's happening, I'm ina good place, right.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Right.
So that's kind of where I willand I will say, and I, uh, and
you and I have not not talkedabout this, but the way it's
interesting that you would talkabout your impact on your
clients and what I see assomebody who works with you, I
see your impact on the othertrainers because you are in a
supervisory role and I and sowhen I say that, because I have
seen the notes that she writesit from these staff meetings and
they're, they're really, I mean, you're giving such good,
(16:00):
you're giving such goodinformation to your other
trainers and you're likeinspiring them to be better.
And so it's not just the impactthat you have on your, your
actual clients, but it's theimpact that you have on these
other people that are justtrying to do what you're doing.
They're trying to up-leveltheir game and make as much
money as they can and servepeople and all of that.
But but you're, I don't, Idon't even know if you're even
(16:22):
aware that you, that that's that.
That, as an outsider, I seethat where your huge impact is
is on those other trainers.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Well, and that's all I mean, ultimately that's,
that's something I would like to.
I mean I would like to lead.
Mostly, I like to be a leader atservice right so you'll never
catch me the kind of leaderthat's sitting in an office or
not doing the work, that peopleI don't want to say below me,
but people subordinates.
I want to be in there, I wantto be doing it all with them
(16:49):
right.
I want to be seen as a partner,I want to be seen as an ally to
them, but I can speak to itbecause I'm doing it Right.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
And that's the only way that it's really authentic
and that's where people aregoing to respect you and listen.
Yeah Is if you're in thetrenches.
Yeah, you're in the trenches,exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
So ultimately, that makes me feel happy because I do
want that.
I do want people to see look,she's happy doing what she's
doing, doing what she's doing,she's confident in what she's
doing.
Let me like how is she doingthat?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Right, Like just just by watching, right, Just by
watching.
Yeah, absolutely so.
When you work with, with people, whether it's in Pilates or
whether it's in personaltraining most of the time I'm
quite sure, more so withpersonal training than anything
else, but Pilates is probablythe same you probably have
people coming in who are sayingI want to change this about my
body, this is what I want towork on, blah, blah, blah.
So when you, as a trainer, what, what is your philosophy when
it comes to, you know, to togetting in, to being the best
(17:41):
person that you can be, orgetting in the best shape that
you want to be in?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
So the way I, the way I work with my clients, is like
how do I say this?
I'm looking more to work withpeople who want a long-term, who
are looking.
I mean, sure, I work withpeople who say have certain
goals and like, hey, I want tolose 20 pounds before this event
, or oh, I want to do this.
And like it's not that I don'twant to help them, I do, but I
(18:05):
want to to.
I want them to understand thatit goes beyond that 20 pounds,
right.
So what, what?
What happens after we lose that20 pounds?
What, right?
Like, what more do are welooking for, right?
So for me it's like it's, it'sa lifestyle thing.
Right, it's a lifestyle.
And I'm a big person that's bigon slow and steady wins, the
(18:29):
race, celebrating the small wins, right, one thing at a time.
Oftentimes I'll have people comein for personal training
sessions who haven't worked outmaybe ever, and they're in their
later 60s and they're talkingto their physician and their
physician's telling them like,hey, listen, you got to work out
.
And for those individuals it'shard for them, right, because
(18:50):
they haven't done it before andit's frustrating.
They're like why can't I dothis?
Like I'm, I'm, I'm older, butlike why, why can't this happen?
So for me, I like to keep it avery um, a relationship type
thing, right.
So I want to educate them.
I want them to feel like theycan go out into the gym floor
and I mean this is particular inpersonal training but I want
(19:11):
them to feel like they could dothe workout without me.
I don't want them to feel likethey have to.
I want to empower them,especially women, that hey, you
can come out on the gym floorand you can start lifting, like
you can do this.
I mean, obviously I want towork with you know my clients
forever, but I also want them tobe.
I want to empower them to dothat Right, and still work with
(19:31):
me.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah, exactly Right.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
So for me, again, it's more about the long run,
right, the long.
And some, some of those peopleare like, hey, I just want to
lose this 20 pounds, okay, I canhelp you get there.
But just know that, like, whatelse do we want?
Because after that it's kind oflike well, what else?
Right.
So I'd like to have it like afull, full scope, right, like
(19:56):
full.
Like like the mental healthaspect is very, very, very
important to me, um, and I thinkall of those things come
together right and they lead toa healthy lifestyle if you're
given the right tools and you'regiven the right support.
And so a lot of what I do isoutside of exercise and
nutrition and all.
A lot of it's mental health.
(20:16):
A lot of it is like I just hadthe worst day of my life at work
, okay, or I just got fired,right, right, I just had the
worst day of my life at work.
Okay, or I just got fired Right,right, got laid up.
Okay, let's sit and talk aboutthat for a little bit and let's
go work out.
Okay, let's, let's, let's putit all together, let's put it to
something good.
But I think that to be asuccessful trainer and to be
successful in anything that'sinterpersonal or where you're
(20:37):
being at service to people, isto really show your
vulnerability right andvulnerability I guess it is kind
of like a buzzword, you know,but it's it's true though, right
.
So I like to share, you know,some of my struggles, right,
I've I've had struggles withfood, I've had struggles with
body image and things like that,and I think that when I share
that with my clients, I used tothink, oh, I can't share that.
(20:59):
That makes me seem like I don'tknow what I'm talking about,
but really it shows that they'renot alone, absolutely, and
we're all human Right Right, andthat's why we do what we do,
because we want to help people,because we've been there.
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
At the end of the day, I'm justa girl too, trying to survive
in this male-dominated world,but we're just trying to survive
(21:22):
here, so I think that that'ssomething that really, really
makes people feel comfortable.
So I mean, yeah, for me, I'm init for the long haul with them.
I want them to feel like theycan do it.
They can do it, we can do it.
But those people that wantthose short fixes, I try to like
dig a little bit deeper, right,right, I.
(21:43):
But those people that wantthose short fixes, I try to like
dig a little bit deeper, right,right.
I definitely want people to seeand feel results, but I want
them to understand that true andlasting results takes years.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Oh yeah, years, Absolutely Years, years, years,
maybe even longer.
Right, and the truth is, mostpeople don't want to hear that,
but it's the truth, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
The longer something takes, the more chance it has of
lasting Absolutely, absolutely.
So that just made me think of,um, your you just recently, well
recently in February, did a, uh, a competition an athletic
competition.
So tell tell, tell the audienceabout that.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
So Hyrox is, oh wow, so Hyrox is.
It's an endurance competition,uh, where there's a lot of
running involved and thenthere's different stations.
So you run 0.6 miles 10 timesand in between those runs you do
things like a sled pole, uh,farmer carriers, lunges, all
sorts of things, and very out ofmy comfort zone, very, very out
(22:41):
of my comfort zone.
And I was asked because a wholebunch of people at our place of
employment were doing it andI'm a huge, big person on
community right.
I mean, I was like Whoa,everyone's going together, and
it was in Vegas.
So say no more Um, but yeah, andI, I ended up doing it with um.
I got paired up with a girlhere who now is a good friend of
(23:03):
mine.
We're doing another competitiontogether, but it was just so,
so, so fun to do something thatwas so out of my comfort zone,
right, a lot of the people thatwere doing it were people who
are their fitness level is a lothigher than mine and I was like
God, how am I going to do this,how am I going to do this?
But it doesn't matter, right,like, and you go to these things
(23:25):
.
I mean, it's even like when Iwas running marathons, you see
people all shapes and sizes.
Right, and that's the beauty ofit, right, is that everybody is
welcome?
Right, but it was just, it wasan amazing experience to be
alongside coworkers anddifferent members of our place
of employment and just beingtogether like that.
To me, it gets me the most,most excited.
And then you know, obviously,the, the, the runner's high you
(23:46):
get and all that.
Oh, yeah, it's wonderful, butit was, it was great, and aren't
you gonna do it?
Are you gonna do it?
She's gonna do it, she's gonnado it you guys, she's gonna do
it, I'm gonna do it.
I'm a little old, but she'sgonna do it.
She's gonna do it.
No, but you have to.
You hear they just announcedVegas in February.
Oh, it's in February again.
Well, no, there's supposed tobe one in Anaheim.
Okay, that's right.
(24:07):
Do you guys want to go toAnaheim in December?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
And then there's one in Vegas in February and then
some people are doing Chicago,want to do it to try to get
certain times Like I want it tobe fun and I feel like if I do
it too much I'll get a littletoo obsessive.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah, you know I can understand that Um and so and
that kind of falls in line withthat, with that long-term of
like you're looking for.
They're looking for morelong-term, like health, to be
able to do these things that youdidn't know that you could do,
to challenge yourself, to getyourself to that point where you
feel like, okay, I can, I cando this, I can use my body.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yes, and it's an endurance race and I love
endurance.
Endurance is my, my, myfavorite, but um it was a little
intimidating at first there'ssome really high up there
athletes that do it.
But again it was all about theexperience and everyone's
together.
You know I met a great friendout of.
Again it was all about theexperience and everyone together
.
You know, I met a great friendout of it and it was just, it
(25:05):
was a blast.
It was a blast and I can't waitto do it again.
There's something to be saidfor, you know, physically dying
not really dying, but you know,working out to the point where
you feel like you're going todie a little bit.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Right, it was kind of good yeah absolutely Not every
day, and most of the time when Isee her and she's gotten off
the treadmill, she's like I'mout there fighting for my life.
I'm not a treadmill or thestepper.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, it's so true.
I think people have thismisconception that exercise, if
you work out a lot, becomes easyand it's like no, no, no, no,
no, no, it's still hard.
In fact, it may it harder,right, exactly.
So that's why I try to relaythat to my clients and people I
meet that, hey, I'm just a girlthat's trying to work out too
(25:49):
and, you know, stay fit and beable to live a life as I age in
a way that I don't have to relyon people.
Right, right, exactly.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Exactly.
So what would you?
What would you tell somebodywho, somebody who's who's
listening to us, to have thisconversation and and it's like,
oh, but that's you know, that'syou guys are already in fitness.
Like you guys already.
Like you, you do that stuff allthe time.
Like I can't do that.
I, I don't know where to start,I don't know what to do, or I
can't belong to a gym because Idon't have, you know, I don't
(26:17):
have the finances.
What would you like, what wouldbe your suggestion to somebody
who's just like knows this wouldprobably be a good thing for
them to do, but they just don'tknow where to start?
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah, yeah, I would say everybody had to start
somewhere.
I mean, like, when I came, camehere, I had very little
strength training backgroundbesides Liguree, which is on a
machine with springs, but Ididn't and my running background
.
I came in here not not knowinga whole ton, but what I did was
I immersed myself in it and Iwanted to learn it and I wanted
(26:48):
to be to be knowledgeable in it.
And I think it starts with justdoing it.
Just doing it like anythingLike, even if it's if it's
getting outside walking for fiveminutes, right.
I don't know if you've heardthis book and probably have, but
atomic habits yes, absolutelyFantastic book, right?
So I think it's about makingsmall, tiny goals for yourself.
And I struggle with this myselftoo, because I'm like I'll make
(27:11):
a goal for myself.
I'm like, oh, that's such aneasy goal, Like.
It's like getting in your carand going to the gym, right.
But it's, but you have to startthere.
You can't bypass that part andgo to the running 10 miles.
You can't.
It just doesn't work that way.
I mean you can, but then guesswhat?
You're going to hate it andyou're never going to do it
again, right?
So I'd say small, small, tiny,tiny little bits, small micro
(27:33):
things that are totallyachievable.
In the book I think he talksabout too, the gym going,
parking your car not getting outof the car, but just parking
your car there and then leaving,and then the next time, okay
maybe, walking in towards thosedoors.
But for folks who can't affordthings like gyms, these things
(27:55):
that we unfortunately areexpensive, get outside, get
outside.
There's something to be saidfor going for a walk, right,
like, go for a walk five minutesfive minutes, five minutes,
that's it.
And then every day just add alittle bit more, Add a little
bit and you might be like ohwell, that was just a five
minute walk, that doesn't count.
I didn't do anything.
No, it does count, because thisis, this is slow and steady,
(28:18):
wins the race here because we'regoing for life, right.
And if we just look at, yeah,events can kind of kickstart us,
which are great, but like, ifwe need to get out of the oh,
this is I'm doing this for thisor I'm doing this for that, no,
no, I'm doing this for life, forlife, right.
I love that.
Just do it.
Just do, just do something, youknow.
And small, small, do it.
(28:38):
Just do something.
And small, small, small, tinymicro ones.
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Awesome.
So this, you know, my podcastis.
I have people who listen to mypodcast all over, but for
anybody who's in our area,anybody who happens, any of our
members who are listening tothis, if they want, if they
would like to be, if they wantto learn more about you and
they're interested in workingwith you, what do they need to
do?
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Okay, well, we can leave.
Maybe, like my Instagram,absolutely Leave my Instagram.
I'm always looking to meetpeople, right?
I'm always looking because,again, it's the kind of thing
where I feel like I'm getting asmuch out of it as others are.
My Instagram is a great placeto find me here at our place of
(29:24):
employment is a great place tofind me, but I'm always always
give me a holler, always say hi,always say hi.
Yeah, but I'm around a lot.
I mean, I live in the area too,so I know that you have
listeners from all over, but I'min the area and I think that
also helps being in thecommunity and living in the
community that you work in.
Not that you have to, but Ithink that that helps too.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Right, she's so healthy she walks to work.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
I mean, she's so lucky, she's not so close, but
she walks to work.
I mean, that is a perk, that isa perk All those years of
taking public transportation.
Godspeed to all of you thattake part over in the Bay Area.
Exactly, exactly, yeah, always.
Come say hi, okay, instagram.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Good.
Well, thank you so much fortaking the time to come do this,
and I just think that I thinkyour philosophy and everything
that you're doing is so is, andyou're just such a great example
of somebody who, yes, you werein a position where you were,
yeah, you were probably makingreally good money, and but it
was, but you weren't happy, andyou just can't put a price tag
on that Right, I could have keptdoing it.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
I could have kept doing it, but like, at what
point is it like?
And then what, right, and thenwhat, and then what.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Right, right, well, and that's where, and that's the
way I was.
I was like how many, how long?
When is it ever going to bethat I'm not working to the
weekend or I'm not working forsummer vacation, and then,
halfway through the summer, I'mdreading the fact that, like, oh
, I only have five weeks leftand I have to go back to work.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
What am I going to do ?
And it's like I just knew thatthat wasn't how I wanted to live
my life, and I also do want toclarify I'm not hating on tech
or software sales by any means.
It's a great living, but itwasn't for me Right.
And I stayed in it too longbecause I was scared.
Yeah, Because I was scared,Because I was scared of getting
outside of my comfort zone,scared that I might fail at
something even though I wasalready failing at something
Right, right, because youweren't listening to your heart.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
It's so true.
It's so true, so true yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Good.
I love you too, so thank you,thank you all for joining us
this week.
I'm so, so honored.
I will continue to highlightthe people that I work with and
the amazing things that they'redoing, and just share some
different philosophies anddifferent ways of looking at
fitness and movement and ahealthy lifestyle, because I
think everybody has to pickwhat's going to work for them
and and really what's going tobe something that's going to be
sustainable, Because that'sreally the bottom line is that
(31:44):
it's not just a quick fix.
It's something that you reallywant to incorporate in your life
for the long term, because it'sgoing to extend your life and
somebody was talking to me aboutthere's our lifespan and then
there's our health span.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
It's kind of the new buzzword yes, and having a
health span that is as long asyour lifespan, and that they're
equal, so you're able to doexactly what you want to do for
as long as you, as long asyou're living, and that's what
we really want to do.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
So that's the ultimate goal right it's to keep
living.
Right it's to keep living andkeep living a lifestyle where we
can be with our family, we canbe with our friends and we keep
doing what makes us happy.
Yeah happy.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Yeah, absolutely All right y'all.
Thank you so much for joiningus and I will see you all next
week.
All right, Take care Bye.
Thank you for listening to thisweek's episode.
If you are interested inlearning more about how I can
help you understand and manageyour emotional eating, including
the use of hypnosis to uncoverthe root cause of your eating,
(32:45):
go to my website,kristinjonescoachingcom.
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