Trove: Taps & THC

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SPEAKER_02 (00:00):
Yeah, I'm gonna tell you right now, like my like my
whole life, my hobby, brewing.
I work, brewing.
Everything.
Always brewing.

SPEAKER_00 (00:09):
Welcome to the Brewery Adventure.
I'm Courtney.

SPEAKER_07 (00:12):
And I'm Dan.
We're here to dive into theworld of your local brewery.

SPEAKER_00 (00:15):
It is not just about the beer, it is about the vibe,
the people, and the storiesbehind every tap room.

SPEAKER_07 (00:20):
From small neighborhood spots to big
bustling brew houses.
We'll bring you along for theride.
So grab a pint and join us onthe brewery adventure.
Cheers.

SPEAKER_00 (00:30):
Oh shit, I almost missed it.
That reminds me of a joke.

SPEAKER_04 (00:36):
That was a wonderful intro.
It was great.

SPEAKER_02 (00:39):
That was pretty good.

SPEAKER_04 (00:39):
Classic.

SPEAKER_00 (00:40):
Solid.
Well done.

SPEAKER_07 (00:42):
We're a well-loiled machine, folks.

SPEAKER_00 (00:44):
We do this all the time.
We are at Trove Brewing inBurnsville, Minnesota this
evening.
We are here with Jeffrey andwith Nate.
And Nate, I don't know if I say,are you from Trove or are you
from breweries?
You're from multiple breweries.

SPEAKER_02 (00:58):
From breweries, too.

SPEAKER_00 (00:58):
Jeffrey, I can say Jeffrey.
From breweries.

SPEAKER_05 (01:01):
I just exist in the ether at this point.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03):
I'm just a born out of the flames of other
breweries.
That's right.

SPEAKER_07 (01:09):
Forged in the spent grains.
Yeah, exactly.
Anywhere USA.

SPEAKER_05 (01:15):
Depending on when it is this is released, uh my my
existing title.
As it sits today on uh what dayis it the 12th?
November 13th.
The 13th.
The 13th.
Oh, November 13th.
As it says today, November 13th,I am the vice president of
Invictus Brewing Company.
That'll change.
I am the owner of Credo BrandsLLC.
I am part owner of Trove BrewingCompany.

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I am doing a food truck thingand a bunch of other nonsense.
Yeah, the list gets longer, butthat's that's the quick clip
notes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:44):
I like this.
That's the first one.
Can I ask a question?

SPEAKER_07 (01:46):
I want to ask a question.
So uh you have for a long timebeen involved also with the
Minnesota Craft Brewers Guild.

SPEAKER_05 (01:52):
Yes, I'm the the existing I am I am the sitting
treasurer of the Minnesota CraftBrewers Guild right now.

SPEAKER_07 (01:57):
Okay.
And is your when is that termover?

SPEAKER_05 (02:00):
Uh so I got elected on for two years originally, and
this is my second term.
So I'm wrapping up my third yearright now at the end of this
year, which means I've got onpaper one more unless I you know
run again or that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_07 (02:13):
Sure.
Okay.
Yep.
Well, thank you for helping outwith that.
That's a big deal.

SPEAKER_05 (02:16):
That has been one of my favorite things.
I love being part of theMinnesota Craft Brewers Guild.
It's such a cool community, andlike it's a it I'm not trying to
like pitch it right away, butlike it's a great way to ingrain
yourself more into the industry,learn more about what's going
on, fix some stuff at yourbrewery just off of like the
networking of what's going onand the organic part of it.
I mean, I've said it before onthis bot or well on one fight

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stand, Jeff Ziert is really goodinsight.

SPEAKER_07 (02:40):
Yeah, yeah.
He's a font of good information.
Absolutely.
And also, we're recording thison November 13th.
Happy Veterans Day.

SPEAKER_05 (02:47):
Hey, thanks, man.
Thank you for your service.
Thank you for your service.
Very important.
I got my high V breakfast.
Oh, yeah.
Nice.

SPEAKER_02 (02:53):
Didn't make it to Applebee's, but yeah, it's
because you're you're doing somefree pints.

SPEAKER_05 (02:57):
I was also, yeah, I was here.

SPEAKER_07 (02:59):
Yeah.
I love that there's so manyplaces that really go all out
for veterans on Veterans Day.
Like, you know, come in, get afree meal, a lot of free drinks,
coffees, you name it.
That's really cool.

SPEAKER_05 (03:11):
The rabbit hole that conversation, um, absolutely,
what's really fun for me,anyways, is all of my military
buddies are like further downsouth, like Hastings, Minnesota.
And so I don't really get tolike connect with them very
often.
But on every Veterans Day, I'llgo to like a high V or a Chili's
or I don't know, Cracker Barrelor whatever it is.
And I wind up talking to thecoolest 70, 80-year-old men

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about like old war stories andnonsense.
It's so much fun.
It's like just walking into aLegion organically and just like
chatting with folks.

SPEAKER_07 (03:39):
Yeah, such a camaraderie.

SPEAKER_05 (03:40):
Absolutely that, you know, like everybody wants to
share immediately.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (03:45):
Very special.

SPEAKER_00 (03:45):
I love that.
And Jeffrey, Trove.
Yes.
I get to see you all the time.
Yes.
Because I come hang out herebecause I this is one of my
favorite places to come.
And I'm actually I'm so excitedthat we're finally doing an
episode down here because I'vewanted to come down here and do
one since we started thispodcast back in January.
January, yeah.
So this is all my dreams arecoming true today.

SPEAKER_02 (04:08):
Yeah, no, it's a fun spot.
You know what I mean?
Dan's been down here before, andyou know, for us it's really
important to have you guys downhere to just help us spread the
word for Trove and for theindustry and to keep, you know,
small businesses alive.
Um, I'm sure we're gonna get ina lot of that, but uh, you know,
we're struggling like everybodyelse.
It's you know, it's you knowkind of tough out there in these

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worlds.
So for us, it's like, you know,anything we can do to help out.
So we're glad you're here.
So thanks for coming down.

SPEAKER_07 (04:34):
I mean, it doesn't take much to get us out to a for
a fun evening of conversationand loudmouth soup.
Cheers.

SPEAKER_05 (04:42):
Loudmouth soup.

SPEAKER_00 (04:43):
Loudmouth soup.

SPEAKER_05 (04:44):
I'm hearing new terms today.
I like it.
Biscuit over 21 was a new one.
Loudmouth soup.
I'll take that one.

SPEAKER_00 (04:49):
Are we gonna talk about the other one?

SPEAKER_05 (04:51):
I don't understand the other one, but I heard it.

SPEAKER_00 (04:56):
We do need to get through what is everyone
drinking.
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (04:59):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (05:00):
I I am drinking the in-between, the cherry vanilla
porter.

SPEAKER_07 (05:04):
I've got the I'm on the home stretch of this Kolsch
served in the nice Kolsch glass.
Yes.
And I just love a Kolsch.
It's uh I know it's a littlebalmier out, and most people
would say, don't you go for theheavier stuff?
No.
Yeah.
Kolsch time is all the time.

SPEAKER_02 (05:19):
Yeah.
I love the Kolsch.
It's a great style.
Yeah.
What are you drinking?

SPEAKER_05 (05:23):
Traditionally, and you'll get tired of me saying
it, the Hefeweisen is the bestway to go at Tro Brewing Company
when it's available.
When it's available.

SPEAKER_02 (05:30):
I had a nickel.

SPEAKER_05 (05:31):
If you had a nickel, it's highly requested for a good
reason.
But I think that Jeffrey does areally, really good job of a
hazy IPA.
And I know that Minnesota's likehazy IPA central, but he hits
the nail on the head.
The oddity is what it's called.
Yep.
It's fantastic.

SPEAKER_02 (05:44):
Yeah, and I'm also drinking the oddity normally.
I'm drinking the goon.
Um, but we're a little low onthat.
So I'm gonna let that let theguests have that, and uh, I'm
gonna drink what we have themost of, which is the oddity
right now.
Excellent.

SPEAKER_07 (05:56):
Is the goon the West Coast IPA?
Yes.
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (05:59):
Can you clarify really quick why it's called
this horrible term in uh TheGoon?
Dan's a teacher, he understandswhy it's not a good term.

SPEAKER_02 (06:08):
Well, it it's a it's a it's a comic book that I love.
Um it's called the Goon and thenI named it after that.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (06:14):
So nothing nefarious.
Nothing nefarious.
Just uh good old-fashioned,wholesome comic book.

SPEAKER_02 (06:19):
Yes.

SPEAKER_05 (06:23):
I I bring it up because when he named it that
originally, I kind of likeside-eyed, and I was like,
either you're a hockey fan oryou're like jabbing at me
because you think it's funny.
And then he explained, he'slike, no, this is an obscure
Dark Horse comic book from itwas like 2002.

SPEAKER_08 (06:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (06:39):
I I could be wrong on that one.
Since then, I've acquiredseveral of them.
Yeah, several issues.
It's really cool.
It's basically just this likerough and tumble thug anti-hero
story.
He just drinks and beats upzombies.
There's no reason why thezombies exist in the world of
the comic book.
They're just walking through thestreets.
It's it's obscure.

(07:00):
It's great.
It's awesome.
Yeah, cool artistry.

SPEAKER_00 (07:02):
Yeah.
How do you normally go aboutnaming your beers?

SPEAKER_02 (07:05):
Uh I have a uh list of on my phone of things that
inspire me, but usually comeseverything from music, TV, pop
culture, stuff like that.
But the main thrust of it iseverything has to kind of tie
around either uh vaudeville orum like speakeasy type of 1920s
culture.
So most things, not all, butmost of the beer names like the

(07:25):
curtain call, cream ale, oddity,sideshow, goon, all that kind of
stuff kind of ties back tothings that you know, like
vaudevillian.
So yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_00 (07:33):
I like a good theme.

SPEAKER_02 (07:34):
Yeah, I like to keep it consistent, you know,
building a brand here inBurnsville, Minnesota.

SPEAKER_00 (07:40):
Well done, Jeffrey.
Well done.
I'm gonna slip up at some point.
You go by Jeffrey.

SPEAKER_02 (07:44):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (07:45):
I was always introduced to you as Jeff.

SPEAKER_02 (07:48):
Yeah, only my parents call me Jeff, but they
name me and call me whateverthey want.

SPEAKER_00 (07:52):
I'm sorry.
I'm I'm just sorry if it comesup for Jeffrey.

SPEAKER_02 (07:54):
No, it's all right, no problem.
Yeah, Jeffrey it is.

SPEAKER_00 (07:57):
It wasn't until recently when Grant has always
called you Jeffrey, and Ithought he was just being very
formal, and that's my boss, soI'm gonna call him by a formal
name.

SPEAKER_05 (08:06):
My full name is Nathaniel, by the way, Grant,
just so you know.

SPEAKER_02 (08:09):
Please don't call him.
I like full names, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (08:12):
I just always thought that was a Grant thing,
but that's actually you're aJeffrey and not a Jeffrey.

SPEAKER_08 (08:18):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (08:19):
We are gonna dive into some things that are new
and upcoming at Trove.
Give people a reason to comedown and visit you guys, other
than all the reasons why I comeand visit you.
Part of this, too, we're gonnatalk about some some kind of
current events that are going onright now.
You guys have a plan to startTHC drinks, hopefully January
1st.

SPEAKER_05 (08:36):
No, in like two weeks.

SPEAKER_00 (08:37):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 (08:38):
Next week.
Well, it's happening in 15minutes if the guy in the
parking lot has anything to dowith it.

SPEAKER_06 (08:44):
Is he not affiliated with you?
Why did I give him my car keys?
He's the result of the ban.

SPEAKER_02 (08:51):
Sir?
That's gonna happen quick, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (08:53):
Do you want do you want to talk to that person?

SPEAKER_02 (08:54):
No, you start.
You start.

SPEAKER_05 (08:55):
Yeah.
So so that that is uh a projectthat I'm kind of spearheading
that Jeffrey's helped me outwith quite a bit.
The the current markets or Idon't know, the the area where
craft breweries are at rightnow, we are all equipped really
well to manufacture what is uhabbreviated as LPHE, low potency
hemp edibles or beverages.
I have been involved in themanufacturing and that with

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Invictus.
Sorry, there's a bunch of likeaspects to this.
Here I'll I'll backtrack alittle bit.
Some news, breaking news,however you want to look at it.
Invictus Brewing Company isgoing away.
Hasn't been super public.
We'd announced that we weregonna relocate and we aren't
anymore after a big decisionwith all the owners and how
difficult it is to buy realestates just with the market
where it's at.
Decided we're gonna shut ourdoors.
I've been involved in their THCprogram since 2022.

(09:38):
I've been seeing the growingtrend of what that is, and I
gotta see firsthand the benefitsof what these hemp drinks can do
for folks in the realm of like,I don't want to drink alcohol
anymore, or I need a differentsupplement or whatever.
I get a little personal for asecond.
My dad just got diagnosed withcancer three months ago, stopped
drinking alcohol entirely.
This has been a great supplementfor him.
Yeah.

(09:58):
Dude lost a bunch of weight,doing pretty good, but it's been
a really good alternative forhim.
And there's a bunch of peoplelike that where it's, you know,
it could be a cancer thing, itcould be restless leg syndrome,
it could just be like to getstoned, whatever it is.

SPEAKER_02 (10:09):
And that's great.

SPEAKER_05 (10:10):
Yeah, absolutely.
So I'm taking that energy andI've created this new company,
which is called Credo BrandsLLC.
If you want to ask me why I gotthe name, it's a really fun
story.

SPEAKER_00 (10:19):
I do want to ask you.
I want the story.

SPEAKER_05 (10:21):
I I know I started this by saying I'm not a big
Cinephile, but have we all seenWe're the Millers?

SPEAKER_00 (10:25):
I know what it is.
I don't know that I watched it.
I've seen it.

SPEAKER_05 (10:27):
Hey, Grant's over there in the back corner of the
hand.
Grant's got it.
Yes.
So that was Jake, Jason Sodakis,Jennifer Anderson, and some
other kids going on a road tripbecause they were trying to like
move drugs, um, which ties tothe city.
What year did that come out?
Was that like a decade ago?

SPEAKER_02 (10:41):
Somebody use your their Google machine.

SPEAKER_05 (10:43):
I want to say I want to say like 10 years ago.
But in the movie, in a veryspecific scene, um, the daughter
brings back a carney to their uhmobile home.
His name is Scotty P, and theyhave this like sarcastic back
and forth of like, so Scotty P,tell me about you.
And he goes, Ah, like he's gotthis dumb retort, and they
notice a tattoo across his chestthat says, no regrets, that's

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spelt wrong.

SPEAKER_00 (11:05):
No regrets.
It's exactly right.

SPEAKER_05 (11:07):
It's like with the letter A.
McGret.
And so Jason Stadeka says, like,so what's up with that?
And he goes, Oh, no regrets asMcCredo.
The best way I could do that,laugh.

SPEAKER_09 (11:19):
Oh my God.

SPEAKER_02 (11:20):
Don't ever do that again.

SPEAKER_05 (11:22):
And I thought it was.
I'm scared away the guy sellingTHC in the parking lot, though.

SPEAKER_07 (11:26):
So it's not always not all bad.

SPEAKER_05 (11:28):
And so I thought that was a hilarious line.
I loved it.
And so I wanted to take that andturn it into like an actual
thing.
And so Credo Brands got formed.
Credo Brands is this overarchingbusiness that we're
manufacturing.
We got our wholesale licensethrough uh the Office of
Cannabis Management, and we'regonna be doing some retail stuff
in the later term, but we'llfigure that out with new things
that are going on with thegovernment.

SPEAKER_00 (11:48):
When you say the name in your head, do you have
the laugh that goes on with it?

SPEAKER_05 (11:51):
All the time.
It's in great.
It's like when I close my eyes,it's in the back of my eyelids.

SPEAKER_04 (11:56):
So that movie came out in 2013.
2013?
Yep.
Hey, check that out.
I was one year out of highschool.

SPEAKER_01 (12:01):
Oh god.

SPEAKER_07 (12:04):
Dan's looking for the I slipped my first disc in
2013, and I'm not talking abouta C D.

SPEAKER_05 (12:15):
And I named it.
So that's a very long-winded wayof saying there's been this like
build-up to this, and withJeffree's help, we are gonna
start manufacturing THCbeverages through here is like a
contract.
Okay.
So he's gonna be the guy whodoes all of the work and helps
me out with it, and then I'll bethe guy who retails or sells it
out in the whole or in theworld, wholesales.

SPEAKER_02 (12:35):
Yes.
And so, you know, I mean, Ithink that breweries these days
need to diversify, especiallysmall breweries like ours.
You know, the people, the amountof people that are drinking beer
is shrunk.
Um, they're drinking THC, um,they're doing other things, or
just abstaining completely.
Um, and so for us it's reallyimportant to have several irons
in the fire, and this is a bigone that I was able to, you
know, do my Jedi mind trick andget him, mate, to do this with

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us is, you know, not only, youknow, I think a good
partnership, but you know,really important for us as a
small business to be able to dothis kind of thing.
And, you know, when we first setout, you know, we wanted to be
very beer centric, and that'sgreat, and we are, but the
problem is is like we have a lotof spaces not being used, so we
can do things with otherbreweries, we can make more THC,
we can do all this stuff in theback and utilize the space in

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the back of the house to createrevenue, and that is gonna be
really important for us movingforward.

SPEAKER_07 (13:26):
One question I have is that you know, there's also
some small breweries, and kindof getting back to something you
said, Jeffrey, that you know,breweries need to really get
creative if they're gonna stayafloat in these like uncertain
kind of you know, when the thegoalposts keeps moving kind of a
time.
Oh my gosh.
Yes, you have a lot of space.
I know there's there's smallerbreweries that are doing well,

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but they're at capacity.
Right.
Do you think that a viablesolution for some places to kind
of like weather the storm isstart pooling resources?
Like if you have extraproduction space or time,
contract brewing or like Iremember way back when there was
it was bad weather, I think itwas Excelsior, and they all

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brewed out of uh the same placeover in like the western birds
off of like Baker Road, kind ofvery close to where Boom Island
is.
You know, and they started outthat way, and it was three
breweries operating out of onebrewhouse.
I wonder if that's not asolution, you know, for some
people, because I knowpaddlefish, when I interviewed

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them in the summer, they werelike, Yeah, we're kind of maxed
out, we can't brew more.
So they were like trying to talkabout like what are what are
some you know contract brewingoptions and things like that.

SPEAKER_02 (14:41):
Right.
And we have explored that.
I mean, you hit the nail righton the head.
We are definitely doing that,and there are breweries that you
know we're not totally allowedto talk about yet, or Facebook,
you know.

SPEAKER_05 (14:52):
Facebook official.
That's an old term too.
Wonderful.
All right.

SPEAKER_02 (14:56):
I told you I was old.
This also happened way back inlike the 90s.
So I've been in the beerindustry way back then when a
lot of breweries were pooling,buying each other, doing those
other kind of stuff, and itfeels like that now, but in a
smaller sense where a lot ofsmaller breweries can get
together and help each otherout.
Yeah.
I have the space, you know whatI mean?
So I guess it's a little bit ofan advertisement.

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I have the space to do that kindof thing, and we have the
skilled employees to do thatkind of thing, and we can you
know, shout out to Grant.
And to us, that is anotheravenue of revenue, and we are in
talks with another brewery to dothat kind of thing.
We already have paperwork intothe TTB to do uh contract
brewing with them, but of coursethe government shut down.

SPEAKER_07 (15:36):
Oh, sure, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (15:37):
We had it in two, three weeks, and then the
government shut down.
And so I had to call thisbrewery and be like, well, we're
just kind of waiting to see.
And so now I don't know what'sgonna happen.
We gotta start things back upagain, the government's back up
and running.
But it has been extremelyfrustrating because, like you
said, the goalpost keeps moving.
Yeah, and for us, it isinfuriating because we're just

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small business trying to makemoves to make us, you know,
profitable.
And right now, you know, thereare certain parts of the
government that are helping, andwe're doing our best.
Yeah, but yes, we are doingthat.
We are looking at otherbreweries to brew in this
facility for sure.

SPEAKER_05 (16:13):
Yeah, and it is to what you said, it's really
important for everybody rightnow to be looking at what other
opportunities exist out there,whether that is THC, taboo now,
whether that is uh foodconcepts, whether that is
co-packing, contracting.
We are implored now more thanever to really stretch our mind
and figure out what is gonnabring an audience in here and
how we're gonna find some money,you know?

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Right come up with a new I meanenergy energy drink's a bad
idea, but like monster one or alot of people are moving to the
brew pub model.

SPEAKER_07 (16:42):
Brew pub model makes sense too.

SPEAKER_05 (16:44):
Absolutely.
You know, gauge your community,what makes sense in the area
that you're at?

SPEAKER_02 (16:47):
Dirty soda.

SPEAKER_05 (16:50):
He's gonna listen to this.

SPEAKER_02 (16:54):
I'll let no one is that here's yeah, you should be
called.

SPEAKER_07 (16:56):
Isn't it like a combo of a Mr.
Piv and a martini?

SPEAKER_02 (16:59):
Yes, it's very much like that.

SPEAKER_07 (17:01):
My name is Bond.
James Bond.
I'll take a dirty soda if youknow what I mean.

SPEAKER_02 (17:05):
It's a whole thing.

SPEAKER_07 (17:06):
But right now it's like Mormon James Bond, just so
you know.
Okay, sorry.
It's pretty good.

SPEAKER_01 (17:18):
That was great.

SPEAKER_02 (17:19):
But for me, it's like I don't want to do anything
else.
I want to do this.
I want to be the beer industry.
I've been in it my whole life.
And so, you know, the river runsdeep for me, and I want to make
this work.
Um so I'm gonna do everything Ican, and that means, you know,
THC and you know, bring food inhere and maybe do the Rupa model
and all that kind of stuff.
Those are all things that we'redoing.

SPEAKER_00 (17:40):
I do want to get back to the THC stuff because
there's some legislation thatwas passed and is going to be a
concern for THC in Minnesotagoing forward.
I don't even know the specificsof all of it right now.
I've heard that it's kind ofdumbing down the amount of THC
that you can put into beveragesdown to 0.4 instead of like
normally a can.

(18:00):
Yeah, normally you get a can ofTHC and it's like five
milligrams or ten milligrams.
I feel like things are veryheavily regulated in Minnesota,
and even talking to you in thepast about the things that
you've had to do to prepare fordoing THC out of here, there's a
lot of hoops to jump through.
There's a lot of stuff that youhave to do, there's a lot of
regulations that go into it.
Maybe it's not like that inother states, but for us here,

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it's that's kind of a big deal.

SPEAKER_05 (18:24):
It's a very long-winded conversation.
So, yes, absolutely.
Minnesota specifically did agreat job of being the forefront
of THC in the United States.
We built with the Craft BrewersGuild, with all the brewers that
did this, we built the frameworkand like the artificial
regulation on how to do thissafely, responsibly.
We did a great job in otherstates.

SPEAKER_02 (18:44):
They did a great job.

SPEAKER_05 (18:45):
And other states recognized that.
You look at Tennessee, you lookat New Jersey, everybody looked
over to Minnesota as a frameworkfor how it is they should be
doing this.
And then at the beginning ofthis 2025, this year, Minnesota
changed that and respectfullybastardized it.
With the best of intention, theywanted to make sure that things
were really safe, but they justmade it so much more difficult.
And adding unnecessary licenses,compliance, regulations that

(19:08):
kind of just made it worse andredundant.
And redundant, yeah.
That that's a good way ofwording that.
They I don't want to saybankrupted businesses, but they
put a lot of folks right at theedge of like, we don't know if
we want to do this anymorebecause of new compliance
issues.
And that was two weeks ago.

SPEAKER_07 (19:24):
What were some of those things?
Or like what were some of thethings that that changed
financially?

SPEAKER_05 (19:30):
So I I can give three really good examples right
away.
A label compliance was a reallybig one.
There are folks that heavilyinvested in printed cans, have
like a lot of schools of labelsof things that have been selling
for the past two years.
OCM came down, legislature camedown saying what's on your label
now is no longer in compliance.
You need to have these two iconson here, you need to have all
this specific verbiage, you needto redo all of this in a way

(19:51):
that's not convenient.
If it was just like a littleline, easy, this is a makeover.
And so folks that were doingwell that had a stock of
inventory already either had toburn that inventory or add a lot
of expense to it.
So that made it difficult.
Then they added licenses, whichthe deadline for licenses for
both or for manufacturing,distribution, and retail uh got
cut off on October 31st.

(20:11):
And I'm gonna come across likeI'm complaining, but I am.

SPEAKER_02 (20:13):
Um It was tough.
I mean, and it's hard tonavigate, but the websites
aren't very clear, and there'sjust a lot of yeah, there's just
a lot of bad hoops to jumpthrough.

SPEAKER_05 (20:22):
Yeah, on the license side, you had to file for a
manufacturer's license, whichokay, that can kind of make
sense, right?
You need to make sure thatyou're going through the right
channel.
If you were a self-distributionbrewery or entity, that was no
longer really an option becausethe wholesale license is ten
thousand dollars.
That's a pretty big chunk ofchange for a lot of small
businesses to go and fork thatover.
And so the smaller guys, I don'twant to name names, but said,

(20:43):
you know what, I'm not gonnafork over that because I only
get this percentage of mybusiness from this.
It's just too difficult.
I'm not gonna do that.
And so that gives more power tothe distributors or to the
outside folks to come in.
The last one is and the mostimportant is the testing
requirements.
And so, up until this new thingpassed, you were able to test in
whatever like accredited THC labexists in the United States.

(21:05):
I know uh up until this point.
So you can send it out to umColorado or Wisconsin or
whatever it is, whatever yoursample is, and make sure that
you get the right dosage insideof your package, make sure that
you don't have any heavy metals,pesticides, whatever it is, and
then you get cleared.
You've got your certificate ofanalysis, your clearance.
You're good.
You are two thumbs up.
Moving forward, it has to betested in the state of
Minnesota.
Oh there are two labs currently,one on the way, supposedly.

(21:28):
Can't speak for all of that.
I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_10 (21:29):
We don't know now, though.

SPEAKER_05 (21:30):
I don't know why this is all the stuff leading up
to the new van, right?
So so it got difficult first andit's getting more difficult.
So the lab or the testingrequirements will make it so
taxing because it's gonna bethis bottleneck effect.
Everybody's gonna go to thesetwo entities saying, Hey, I've
got a new batch of whatever itis, I need to be able to sell it
so that I can make some money.

(21:50):
There'd be backlog three weeksor more.
Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_07 (21:53):
I was talking to another head brewer who was
saying that part one of thethings was that any THC beverage
that was sold here would need tobe tested here.
Their take was that so some ofthese THC producers from out of
state wouldn't pay like extramoney to have their beverages
tested in a different state, sothey were gonna pull out, so

(22:14):
that might be like a silverlining, but it it could thin
they're a double-edged sword, itcould thin them out because they
don't want to test in Minnesotabecause it's gonna be so
backlogged.

SPEAKER_05 (22:22):
Also, if they're manufactured outside of the
state of Minnesota, they don'thave to get a manufacturing
license, they didn't have to gothrough all the hoops that we
did.
So they've got a quicker way in,oh sure, but a little bit of a
difficulty to continue.
So depends on how you look atit.
Yeah, so all of that's going on,and we felt these constraints.
Again, reiterating, I thinkregulation is important for
health, safety, absolutely, allthat.
Like I'm I'm not opposed to it,it was just done in a really

(22:44):
uncomfortable way.

SPEAKER_07 (22:45):
Well, just I mean, this is like everything, you
know.
What when something good happensand everybody's doing it,
somebody comes in to make it, sothe only people who can really
play in the pool are the peoplewith the resources and the
bigger companies.
Correct.
That's the annoying part.

SPEAKER_02 (23:00):
That's the annoying part.
Yeah, yeah.
The exact same thing with theTHC ban.

SPEAKER_05 (23:04):
And then, fast forward to yesterday, last
night, two days ago, I'm kindalosing track of time at this
point.
For me, last Friday, when it allgot proposed, hemp ban
throughout the United States ofuh America.

SPEAKER_07 (23:14):
Yeah, thanks, Mitch McConnell.

SPEAKER_05 (23:16):
So Mitch McConnell and some other folks decide to
like weasel into anappropriations bill, a federal
hemp ban for specifically lowerpotency hemp edibles in what
they were calling a way to closethe loophole.
Because they saw 2018's ag billas like not okay.
Like, oh well, it's you guysjust got drugs in here and it
shouldn't be our and we not justMinnesota, but a bunch of other

(23:37):
states now have, like I said,built a framework and we've
shown that not only can we dothis responsibly, but that is
all this benefit, there's allthis tax revenue, there's all of
this good that comes from it.
And there's always gonna be ayou know a bad egg out there or
two, right?
Bad players, whatever, andthere'll be some incidents.
I don't want incidents tohappen, but a large swath of
them doing this the right way.
Yes, and so that came down.

(23:57):
And now, as it was passed theother night, we have a 365-day
deferment until an actual ban isput in place.
So we got a year, and that yearmeans either sell as much
low-bote zamp edible as possibleor fight.
Or fight.
Yeah, and I think thatMinnesota, I think that all the
other states, I think that thestakeholders in this will do
exactly that and prove that wecan do this the right way, that

(24:20):
we have a space in the markets,and we're just gonna proceed
forward as if we can fight theright way.

SPEAKER_02 (24:26):
I think there's a whole bunch of politicians, you
know, putting their will intothis bill, and I think that the
will of the people actually, youknow, from Texas, everybody,
this is not a left or rightissue.
I think that everybody inbetween wants hemp and they want
TC dry beverages, you know,smoking it is one thing, but
everybody wants, you know,edibles, they want seltzers.
I think that uh there's gonna bea big movement to change this.

SPEAKER_05 (24:49):
So one of the things that I think Minnesota did right
early on was the provision tomake sure that we could sell
these things in liquor stores.
And what I think we did rightabout that was I know this is
like a political conversationwhere like, you know, not not as
upbeat and funny, but what whatit's like the benefit to the
liquor store specifically wasGladys or Bertha or whoever it
is who's been buying vodka fromthere.

(25:09):
Gladys?

SPEAKER_01 (25:10):
Gladys, Gladys or Bertha.

SPEAKER_07 (25:12):
You said you're 31 years old.
How do you never have you evermet a Gladys or a Bertha?
I'm calling bullshit on that.
Those names.
Where'd you get those names?

SPEAKER_02 (25:22):
We're retired in like 1920, I think.
Patsy.

SPEAKER_05 (25:26):
I would like some of that.
THC.
She's been buying vodka from thesame liquor store forever.
Yeah, and she finds all of asudden that she can buy a like
THC beverage.
She won't think as much aboutthat as she would if she had to
go to a dispensary.
She sees dispensary, she seesdrug store, drugs are scary.
She sees this and she goes, Oh,this is comfortable because Mark
behind the counter has beenserving me forever.

(25:47):
They wouldn't do me wrong.
That's right.
And that helps with her restlessleg syndrome.
Yeah, yeah.
The anxiety that's out there,the shoulder pains, the whatever
that is.
We're not here to cure.

SPEAKER_02 (26:00):
Right, yeah.
It is not one of those thingswhere you know people feel like
they need to hide from itanymore because people come in
here and they, you know, allwalks of life, 21 up to like in
their 80s, ask me if I haveteachy beverages.
Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (26:12):
That's a very long-winded way of saying that
we've got a a new challengeahead of us, and I think that we
can handle it and we know whatwe're doing.
So we'll see what happens.

SPEAKER_07 (26:21):
I also wonder how much of the distiller lobby was
in McConnell's ear, because heis from Kentucky.
There's a lot of things.
And they see that like thiswhisper about pie, yeah, cutting
it.
Oh, I'm absolutely sure that'sit.

SPEAKER_00 (26:34):
Their pie's already gone.
It's already gone.

SPEAKER_05 (26:36):
That's the tough argument.
Is like, and we've said thishere, is if people are drinking
less alcohol, would they go backto alcohol if DHC is illegal?
Probably not.

unknown (26:44):
No, I don't.

SPEAKER_07 (26:46):
Gonna find something else.
Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_05 (26:48):
Everybody's watching Joshua Block on TikTok and
they're like, oh, I'm not gonnadrink another beer in my life.
If anybody gets that reference,no, really, there'll be one
listener in this who's like, Iknow what we're talking about.

SPEAKER_00 (26:56):
I would like to hear from that one listener, please.

SPEAKER_05 (26:59):
Like, I don't want to drink anymore.
Joshua Block.

SPEAKER_00 (27:02):
I'm not gonna go look this up.
It's gonna improve my life.
I can tell already.
It will.

SPEAKER_07 (27:07):
I just I just wish like we should be able to
decide.
The consumer.
Give us choice.
Correct.
Let us pick what we want.
Like, if I do research and Ifind out that, okay,
health-wise, alcohol isn't forme, I should have the option to
choose something else, but stilloccupy spaces like breweries so
I can hang out with my friendsand experience that like social
part of it that I think we allreally love.

(27:28):
But it just, I don't like theokay, I'm gonna take my ball and
go home so none of us can play.
That's the frustrating part.
That's a good metaphor.
And Mitch McConnell can suck it.
I hate that guy.

SPEAKER_02 (27:38):
I don't understand how he's even still there making
those kind of decisions.

SPEAKER_07 (27:42):
I know.
Remember that one time he justlike deer in the headlights at
like uh the one time.
Yeah, like you can.
Oh, Mitch McConnell.
I can't remember my name, yes.
Like, screw him.

SPEAKER_02 (27:53):
But again, I don't know.
I think that this will actuallyend up being, I think that we
watched this one gentleman on uhInstagram, but I think it'll be
a good opportunity for everybodyto kind of get together, get
this done for everybody once andfor all, and just make it legal
and just settle it.
You know, I think that we're upto the challenge and we can do
it.

SPEAKER_05 (28:12):
I think so.
Yeah, we're we're gonna see abig influx of folks that once
the consumer realizes what'sbeen proposed, the liquor
stores, the the retail that'sout there, they're all gonna get
flooded, people are gonna panic,they're gonna buy a bunch of it.
The ones that want to stickaround and say, hey, we're here
to stay, it'll be the ones thatwind up winning.
And it'll also help to provethat you know people want to
continue buying this, they cando it in a I'll keep saying
responsibly, but in aresponsible manner.

(28:33):
And if we build a cap that'suniversal, then we can do it in
a way that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 (28:37):
I feel so much better about this now because as
soon as I started seeingheadlines and reading articles
about all of this, all I couldthink of was you at Trove
because I know this has been abig we're gonna do this.
This is so exciting, this iscoming up, this is happening,
and then this is what comesthrough.

SPEAKER_02 (28:52):
I just couldn't I like my reaction to it at first
was like, you know, I throw myphone through a wall type of
thing.
I was like, what is that?
Why why?
Like, how does this all of asudden happen in the universe?
Like, why?
I just didn't get it in.
And so for me, it was just likeone of those things where then
and then the next reaction wasyou know, get this and you know,
modified it and like do otherthings, and you know what I
mean?
So then these guys came back tome and they're like, We're still

(29:15):
in it, let's do this.
And I was just like, I don'tknow if I can cuss on this
podcast, but I was like, fuckyeah, let's do this.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (29:22):
W when I heard the news, I like immediate panic
went through my eyes reallyquick as like you kind of go
through like all of the what ifsand that kind of stuff.
Yeah, and I wanted to go down tomy basement to grab like the
de-stressing drink.
The only alcohol in my house wasa bunch of champagne left over
for my wedding.
So I had to go up to my wife andbe like, I'm really pissed off.

SPEAKER_02 (29:43):
Let's celebrate.

SPEAKER_07 (29:45):
He's fancy.

SPEAKER_01 (29:47):
Right.

SPEAKER_10 (29:48):
He's fancy when he's pissed.

SPEAKER_02 (29:55):
Yes.

SPEAKER_08 (29:56):
Blue, blue, blue, blue, blue.

SPEAKER_02 (29:58):
But yeah, I know, it's very frustrating.
But it's like you know, Nate,you know, wants to push through,
and I think that he's right.
So we should do that.

SPEAKER_00 (30:05):
I'm getting in line behind you, Nate.
Heck yeah.
Lead the charge, man.

SPEAKER_05 (30:08):
So look look for uh stuff from Credo Beverages,
Credo brands.
Um, really soon here.
We should be uh packaging stuffin the next like two weeks here.
I brought some examples of thefirst iteration of what's going
on.
Is uh I bought the brand Voltagefrom Invictus, so that is my
concoction now.
So going forward, that is gonnabe mine uh amongst a couple
other brands, and then I'll bedistributing a few other uh
folks, friends of mine as well.

(30:30):
So we'll hopefully be a leadingforce.

SPEAKER_00 (30:32):
I love this.
That's exciting.
That's very cool.
I didn't realize when youbrought these out to the table
that that's what I thought youwere just like handing Grant
some beverages for him to takehome.
Here's drugs.

SPEAKER_05 (30:41):
No, yeah, so yeah.
Um I'm not that kind of friend,unfortunately, yet, but I'll get
there too.

SPEAKER_07 (30:47):
Uh Black Tar heroin shelter we've got in the works.
And this pack's a punch, I'lltell you.
If you thought uh putting adouble shot of uh espresso in
your drink was wacky.

SPEAKER_05 (30:56):
If I can talk about fun names for things that I'll
never get cleared, when whenTrove first got like put
together the look on Jeffrey'sface.

SPEAKER_06 (31:05):
Well man, we're gonna get sued.

SPEAKER_05 (31:07):
If you remember this or not, I've run the idea by
this uh spot more than once, isa beer called Oops All
Microplastics.
And it hasn't and it hasn'thappened yet, and I think it's
wonderful.

SPEAKER_02 (31:18):
Oops all micro.
Can you just add it?
I can do it.
It's you know, a chalkboard, Icould change it.
No problem.
I can change any beer to thatright now.
Oops, all micro plastics.

SPEAKER_05 (31:30):
I understand the stigma behind it, people would
be concerned, but I think it'dbe funny.

SPEAKER_00 (31:34):
Or at least you're being upfront about it.
You're not just sneaking him in.

SPEAKER_05 (31:40):
The idea is to put him on the spot now, so he has
to say yes.

SPEAKER_02 (31:44):
That's never gonna happen, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (31:48):
I mean, it could happen.
You guys do here at Trove, youdo some collaboration beers with
regulars in your Geeks and Gurussmall batch beer series.

SPEAKER_02 (31:58):
Yeah, that's one of my favorite things that I've
hatched a very long time agowhen I was coming up with Trove.
Uh Geeks and Gurus was supposedto be a special series that we
did, but it didn't start out aswhat it is now, as most things
do.
So it just started out assomething fun for me to be able
to express myself and dodifferent things when it came to
beer styles and stuff like that.
So that's how it started.

(32:18):
But then once we got here and weopened, I started working with
other like home brewers andregulars and just customers that
wanted to brew things for crazyass reasons.
Like a like a like their catthat passed away.

SPEAKER_00 (32:34):
The dead cat beer.

SPEAKER_02 (32:35):
Yep, the cube.
And so all of these things kindof snowballed themselves into
this thing that was just kind ofawesome and wonderful, and where
we, you know, bring people inthat are regulars.
Like today, we brewed a batch ofbeer.
We brewed a Belgian goldenstrong ale with some regulars,
Nate and Anna.
Um, they're huge fans of ours,just fantastic, wonderful

(32:58):
people.
And they, you know, wanted toget in on the action and we're
like, okay, we'll schedulesomething.
I had a recipe of a favoritebeer that they really liked, and
and we brewed that today.

SPEAKER_00 (33:07):
Other other things, iterations have been, you know,
the cue of the cat the the thiscouple wanted But I'm sorry, I
call it I called it the Dead Catbeer because they told me the
story about it, and that's all Ican think of when I think of
that beer.
I get it.

SPEAKER_02 (33:18):
I know, I get it.
It's a very like, you know,different, off-the-wall reason,
but at the same time, we'relike, okay, let's sound kind of
fun.
Let's do this, you know what Imean?
So we came with a recipe, uh,Saison, that's it's our favorite
kind of beer, and then we put itup on the board and named it the
cube and all that kind of stuff,and it sold out and you know,
like really fast.
Um, other other ones were fine.

SPEAKER_07 (33:38):
What's the batch size on these?

SPEAKER_02 (33:39):
I mean, just 10 gallons, like super small, yes.
But I mean, for us, it's notabout you know making money or
anything like that, it's justmore about experimentation.
So the whole slogan around geeksand gurus is F around to find
out.
To me, it's like, let's just dosome fun things, let's just do
some different things, and in2026, we're gonna get a little
more jiggy with it.
Um, so you don't know that.

SPEAKER_07 (34:01):
So that was a song, Nate, back in the back in the
name.

SPEAKER_10 (34:07):
I don't even know what that was.

SPEAKER_03 (34:08):
I I've heard the term.
I actually don't I can't I can'tidentify.

SPEAKER_02 (34:12):
Maybe DJ Jazzy Jeff.
I don't know.
Um Will Smith, yeah, that's whatI thought.
DJ Jazzy Jeff, yeah.
But I mean we're gonna be we'regonna be doing some new things
and fun things in 2026 and doingmore of that, but it's just a
small batch because you know oursmall batch is a lot different
than other people's smallbatches.
Some people are doing 10 barrelsmall batches, we do 10 gallon
small batches, that's what wedo.

(34:32):
Super proud of it, and you know,um we put out some really good
recipes, like we had a chokecherry sour um that we did with
fish stream, which is not abrewery.
I get it, but at the same time,it was really good.
Yeah, it was turned out great.
So to me, it's just a way tobuild community in beer, to get
people in here to engage andthen to, you know, work from the

(34:53):
tap room out.
So word of mouth is alwaysbetter.
We build the love in here whenpeople care, be like, you know,
we brewed a beer with uh trove,you gotta come, and they bring
their family and their friendsand the people with the cat
beer, they brought family andfriends in for four days
straight.
That's awesome and broughtpeople in.

SPEAKER_00 (35:13):
They also made you a really nice plaque.

SPEAKER_02 (35:15):
Yes, they made it a really nice plaque.
It was pretty awesome, and youknow, it's just one of those
things there's just like a sweetmoment where it's just like
really cool, and that's the kindof stuff that we want to do
because we've never wanted to belike a big regional brewery, we
just want to be your local brewpub.
That's what we wanted when weopened this up.
Yeah, the community center.
Yeah, community center, yeah,absolutely.

SPEAKER_07 (35:34):
The elusive third space.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (35:36):
That's my second space.

SPEAKER_07 (35:37):
Yeah, the second space for recording.

SPEAKER_00 (35:41):
I heard you talking about the the different spaces
in one of the a one pint standepisodes.
Yeah.
And you were talking about youryour spaces are your home space,
your workspace, and then thebrewery is like your third
space.
Yeah.
Well, I work from home, so I getto count work and home as one,
and then the brewery space is mysecond space.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (36:00):
Oh my god, all three of them are a brewery for me.

SPEAKER_00 (36:03):
No, it's your first space.

SPEAKER_02 (36:06):
I know, don't yeah, I'm telling you right now, like
my like my whole life, my hobby,brewing.
My work, brewing, everything,always brewing.
So I get it.

SPEAKER_00 (36:17):
Did you have any like any problems?
Like you're turning your yourpassion into your profession.
Has there have been any issueswith that?
Oh my god, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (36:25):
I can name like a 50 right now.
I mean, every everything frommoney to personal to all this
stuff, you know what I mean?
It's all tied together.
Sort of sacrifices you have tomake to be able to, you know,
run a business yourself andcertain things that you know
that are coming.
I mean, I've been runningbreweries and tap rooms for
since I was like, you know, 25.

(36:46):
So it's like for me, it's justlike, you know, there are
certain things that you stillhave to do.
Like I still have to bartend andstuff like that to, you know,
pay the bills and make surelabor is good and all this kind
of stuff.
So there's a lot of things thatI've learned.
But I mean, would I do it anydifferently?
Probably.
I probably do it differently,but I would still do it.
Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 (37:06):
So strong words, I like it.

SPEAKER_00 (37:07):
But you seem to enjoy the the beer tending side
of things though.
You seem very comfortable.
You interact with everybody likeyou've known them for years.
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (37:15):
Well, I mean, it's easy, either to me, because our
regulars are phenomenal, soshout out to all of my regulars.
They're wonderful.
Yeah, I mean I like bartending,absolutely.
But at some point in time, Ithink for me, sooner or later
it's gonna come to running thebusiness side of things, to make
sure we're profitable, to makesure that Trove is around for a
while.

SPEAKER_00 (37:30):
So you guys have some other things upcoming.
We we talked about food a littlebit, but there will be a food
situation here at Trove.

SPEAKER_02 (37:38):
Yep, so right now, I mean, I don't know how far you
want to go in it, but umbasically we're, you know, we're
lit again and we're looking atdoing some food here.
Um, yeah, I can't I I don't wantto get like ahead of ourselves
because you know there's still alot of permitting and also that
kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_05 (37:52):
But yeah, definitely talk about the concept, what
we're thinking.
I just don't want to take up toomuch of the microphone time
because I get chatty.
Oh, do it.

SPEAKER_00 (37:58):
Do it.
It's okay.
We're here for chatty.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (38:00):
Uh so I've I've got two really cool passions of my
own that are kind of gettingdriven through Trobe Brewing
Company, which is really cool.
The THC thing is great.
The food truck.
Well, so it's what's the rightterm we would want to use?
It's like semi-permanent food.

SPEAKER_02 (38:13):
I'm just calling it our kitchen.

unknown (38:16):
Kitchen.

SPEAKER_05 (38:17):
That's a good word.
I like that one.
What a concept!

SPEAKER_02 (38:21):
I know, but instead of uh, you know, a$400,000
kitchen.

SPEAKER_05 (38:26):
Yeah, so the idea was we wanted to bring food to
Trove Brewing Company because ofa multitude of reasons, but
financially it's tough to dobecause it's a huge build-out,
and like getting the quotes andrealizing what it like what goes
into it's a little deterring.
A lot of brewery space ispre-built for that, but still
it's a lot that goes into it.
We had seen some other examplesout in the world, and we came up
with the idea of buildingbasically a food truck into a

(38:49):
wall.
So if I guess nobody can reallysee this, but on the east side
wall, the idea is to park atrailer, carve a hole into the
wall of like a big order here.
Um it is part of thepass-through window.
Pass-through window.
Yeah, I like that.
It's part of the structure, butit's not at the same time.
This way the cost goes downquite a bit, and we can do the
things that we really want todo.
Right.
And what's my my goal, whatwe're working really hard

(39:12):
towards, and what's been movingpretty well, actually, it
everything just takes time, issomething that me and my
father-in-law have been like weconceptualized like a year ago.
It all came from like tacos alpastor out in the backyard.

SPEAKER_07 (39:22):
And so if I'm listening, yes, so was I.
You said tacos al pastor.

SPEAKER_05 (39:30):
Tacos al pastor.
Absolutely.
My wife and her family therefrom Guadalajara, specifically
her stepdad, my father-in-law,is a very well-trained cook.
He went to like Spain and hewent to Italy, and he's good at
what he does.

SPEAKER_10 (39:43):
Yes, he is.

SPEAKER_05 (39:43):
We had one day out in the backyard where we were
invited over right after hebought his house, three houses
away from mine.
It's really cool.
It's like everybody lovesRaymond, there's no problems
with that whatsoever.

SPEAKER_07 (39:51):
Um interesting.
That's a whole nother podcast.

SPEAKER_05 (39:56):
That's a whole other podcast.
But they invited us over to doEl Pastore, and I was like, I've
heard that word before.
I've been the Chipotle, I knowwhat I'm envisioning here.
No, not a clue.
So he had like manufactured,welded this.
Uh, it's called a trumpo.
It is, if you've ever had like aeuro before, it's like a side
heating element on a spindle.
Yeah, but the side wall, it'sall charcoal.
So he has to like hand fillthat, and that is the heating

(40:18):
element.
So you get that kind of likesmoky mesquites, like all that
kind of flavor that goes intothe meat.
Marinated stuff for a goodamount of time, his own
marinade.
It was phenomenal.
I still have a photo on myphone.
I sent it to him that day.

SPEAKER_02 (40:30):
He sends it, he he shows it to me like every other
time we see each other.
He's like, Look at this.
I'm like, I know.

SPEAKER_05 (40:36):
Me, his name's Richie.
Me and Richie were like, This isgreat.
We need to figure out a way toturn this into something that's
like more commercial.
And then the Opportunity Trovecame about where we were talking
about like doing food, and allof these things just kind of
like welded together in a waywhere it was like, this just
makes sense.
Yeah.
So since then, we've found uhfood truck manufacturer, we've
gotten all of our food supplierslike lined up, we've got a menu
put in place, we're doing a mockmenu next week over at um one of

(40:59):
our suppliers' places.
It's tracking along really well,and so we're hoping I'd love to
give a timeline.
I really wish I'd give you atimeline, man.

SPEAKER_10 (41:05):
There's just no way.

SPEAKER_00 (41:06):
Yeah, I just want to be able to style a date on my
calendar to be I'm going toTrove on this day because
there's gonna be food.

SPEAKER_02 (41:12):
I mean, we'll let y'all know, but I mean at the
same time, it's just like youknow, I think it's harder, it's
been harder to get this goingthan it has to open up the
brewery.
I'll be honest with you.
It's just like crazy, like thepermitting, all that kind of
stuff.

SPEAKER_07 (41:24):
It's just crazy because Is it was the city
pretty like receptive like tothe that idea?

SPEAKER_02 (41:29):
I wouldn't say there they weren't opposed.
Okay, you know, but they had alot of safety concerns, and I
get it, you know what I mean?
Uh it's like I don't want topiss off Burnsville, you know
what I mean, because they wantto make sure that it's safe
because they're like this couldbe uh you know something that
other people want to do.
This could become very popular.

SPEAKER_07 (41:46):
And then they'd have to like get rid of all the chain
restaurants that you drive bythose are real awesome, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (41:54):
Those are awesome.
I love microwaves.
But uh uh order up 30 seconds ora minute.

SPEAKER_07 (42:02):
Your coconut shrimp is ready.

SPEAKER_02 (42:04):
Like, oh my god, yes, no, but this would be like
something that they want to makesure the permits are correct
for, and so they're using thisprobably as like a guinea pig,
making sure that all of thesafety concerns are dealt with
before we move forward.
So it's been it's been a chore,but we're you know moving
forward, and so but it's likemoves like molasses.

SPEAKER_05 (42:23):
Absolutely, yeah.
But it's been super fun.
Like the the idea when all thisis ironed out, this is gonna be
like such a such a cool space.
Yes, yeah, THC on retail, someof the best beer that you're
gonna find in the South Metro,if not in Minnesota.
Yes, I I do like sincerely meanthat instead of just like a plug
for you.
Like I appreciate I appreciatethat.
Part of the Minnesota Crafters.

SPEAKER_02 (42:41):
Flattery will get you everywhere, I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_05 (42:43):
Drink for free, anyways.
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (42:45):
Um he comes in on he tells me he's coming in for his
free pint on Veter's Day.
I'm like, when have you everpaid for a get out of town?
Never.

SPEAKER_00 (42:56):
This is like a ceremonial free pint, though.

SPEAKER_05 (42:58):
Fair enough.
Yeah.
We didn't drink it.
Sorry, go ahead.
Go ahead.
I I offer to pay for myself.
But anyways, um, but no, butsincerely, so like it's some of
the best beer that you're gonnafind.
Um, the space is superwonderful.
It's cozy, it's great.
And then if we can have foodthat's made in this beautifully
authentic way from a man whoknows exactly what he's doing,
if we can have THC manufacturedin the back with a little bit of
retail space over here so youcan pick what your poison is,

(43:21):
whatever you're comfortablewith, so that way it's open to
all audiences, whether that'sthe non-alcoholic, the THC, the
beer, all that.
Like we're we're crafting aspace that's right, we're we're
right, we're right on theprecipice of it.

SPEAKER_02 (43:31):
And we're very, very excited because it's like for
us, it's like we want to berelevant, we want to move
forward in this space, and youknow, we want to do all this
stuff and we understand thechallenges of it and what you
have to do to do it these days.
Like the, you know, having food,that's a big deal in the
suburbs.
You just have to have it.
Yeah.
I thought originally I was gonnabe able to get away with it.

(43:53):
You know, just doing the beer,all that kind of stuff, and I
thought that that would be agood thing, but after COVID,
things changed.
I just didn't realize it yet.
And so you have to change or youhave to die.
So you have to move, and we'regonna we're gonna move.
So we're gonna make thingshappen.
So with nature.

SPEAKER_05 (44:09):
Flexible rigidity.
Yes.
That's what they call me incollege.

SPEAKER_02 (44:13):
Nick name a high school.

SPEAKER_00 (44:14):
You guys have another amazing element down
here though.
You you've got the beer, you'regonna have the THC, you're gonna
have the food.
The community that gathers inthis space is really not like
anything I've seen in otherplaces.
It's incredible walking in thedoor.
There are familiar faces.
Now, when I come in, I recognizethese people.
They they come here regularly,they know each other, but

(44:35):
they're not like a clicky kindof group that you can't just
walk up and start talking tothem.
They will start talking to you.
Oh, yeah, they will invite youin, you are part of their
conversation.
It's such a welcoming communityspace.

SPEAKER_02 (44:48):
Yes, and I and that's all in part to our
regulars who just are wonderfulpeople.
They're just fantastic, you knowwhat I mean?
I'll I'll shout out to Amberbecause I know she'll be
listening.
Um, she's an amazing humanbeing, but uh just all the
people that come in here andhang out and support us, you
know, they you know, not only dothey help us keep the lights on,

(45:08):
but uh they help build what weare doing here and just spread
the word for our beer and ourtap room, and you know, Angie
and I, you know, trying tocreate something that is just
fun and relaxed and a little bitdifferent than your normal tap
room.
And so I feel like you know, thecommunity here that we built has
been I don't know, beyond myexpectations.

(45:30):
I didn't really realize, youknow what I mean, within two
years that it was gonna do that,but I feel blessed.
I mean, we have our birthdayparties, we had what's that?
Wedding receptions, weddingreceptions, yes, you know what I
mean.
It's like all I mean, just likethe game.
The Navy has been here.
It's crazy in Minnesota.
I know they bought out the wholeplace, they drake their face

(45:50):
off.
It's awesome.
Uh, but uh, I mean, we justthey're building a space here
that you know what I mean.
I'm I'm sure that every breweryaspires to and wants to do it,
just a community space.
It's super fun, exciting, andyou know, just like their their
home spot.
That's what we want to do.
And I feel like we are slowlylike building that, you know,
and all walks of life.

(46:10):
I want to say that because it'strue, it's very important.
I'm sure, Courtney, you canattest to it.

SPEAKER_00 (46:16):
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (46:16):
And like all walks of life, you know what I mean?
So left, right, center, whateverit is, doesn't matter.
So we're not known for TVs here.
We have two TVs hidden in thecorner, so I know it's I know
we're not really, you know.
It's not why you come here.
I know it's not why I come here.
You bring your own entertainmentand you're entertained while you
are here.
So it's like bring your mixtureand your microphone.
That's right.

(46:36):
Exactly, yeah, exactly.
And so it's like, you know, it'sconversation, it's you know, you
know, just camaraderie and allthat kind of stuff.
And there are people from allwalks of life and all ideologies
that uh get along here and Isupport it.

SPEAKER_00 (46:49):
It's just it's very welcoming.
I've walked into other places,and there is a community that
you kind of have to workyourself into.
Yeah.
You can see the regulars thatare in that space and they're
having a good time, and youthink that can be really
intimidating.

SPEAKER_07 (47:01):
It can be intimidating.

SPEAKER_00 (47:02):
Like I I want to be a part of that, but it doesn't
feel like I can just walk up andstart talking to those people.
But here you're gonna walk inand they're gonna be like,
that's someone new.
They should come over and talkto us.
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (47:12):
If you're here more than if you're here like two or
three weeks in a row, it's like,forget about it.
They're coming over.
Yeah.
And they're gonna want to knoweverything about you.
Yes.

SPEAKER_05 (47:20):
When people understood what like my full
name was, and I'm not here veryoften.
We're like, Nathan Schneider,and I'm like, oh my god,
Nathaniel Bertha Schneider.
Nathan forgot your middle name.

SPEAKER_07 (47:33):
Middle name in the beer business business.
Not many people know it.
That's why they call them BigBertha.
Ooh.

SPEAKER_08 (47:41):
Sorry.

SPEAKER_02 (47:42):
But yes, yeah, they're I mean, they're fucking
amazing people, so I'll tellyou, you know, and so we
wouldn't be here without them.
And I think that for us, it'slike we're gonna continue to do
that, grow our tent.
That's what we're looking to do.
Grow our tent.
So, not just financially, but inthe community.

SPEAKER_05 (47:58):
Coming off of that, I'd give you another plug
because not to stroke your egotoo much, but I'm out in the
market, I get to see what'sgoing on, like across the the
greater state of Minnesota,especially even here in the
South Metro.
And the general consensus ispeople feel comfortable here,
they get to talk to the owner,and you get along with folks.
Yeah, like one of the bestreviews among or like aside from

(48:18):
the beer aspect is Ben, we getto talk to what's his name, to
do with the salt and pepperbeard.

SPEAKER_10 (48:24):
Thanks.
You do Jeffrey.

SPEAKER_05 (48:26):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Super friendly guy.
Yes.
And everybody loves that.
Yes.
I hear that over and over again.

SPEAKER_02 (48:31):
Yeah, and that's definitely there is value in
that for sure.
Be bartending and hanging out topeople and getting to know
people.
So yeah, I'm great.

SPEAKER_07 (48:38):
I mean, I also think it's when I go to a brewery
often and I don't see the owner,that's a problem.

SPEAKER_06 (48:45):
I agree with you.

SPEAKER_07 (48:46):
Like, I think in from a business standpoint, I
think like if you own the Yougotta be around, yeah.
You need to know what is workingand what's not working.
And you know, the feedback thatyou get, whether it's solicited
or otherwise from your regulars,they will tell you everything
you need to know.
Yes, they do what you're doingwrong and what you're doing
right.
They don't hold back.
Yeah.
Because we have thatrelationship.

(49:07):
And I think that's importantbecause that that shows that
they care.
Now they don't always go aboutit the most tactful manner, but
you know, like when I go into abrewery, I'm like, where is
so-and-so?
Like, oh, you know, he just likehere, there, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (49:19):
You can't expect everybody to be around all the
time, but like still having someaspect of your business, you
know, some some role in there.
Yeah, but like every time.
Some social role.

SPEAKER_07 (49:28):
Yeah, yeah.
Like in the in the in the placeswhere I frequent where things
are going really well, likeJuno, yeah, Garth, Josh, they're
always at Arbiter.
Jeff Ziert is always at Lupulin.
Like, that's important.
And I think there's like otherplaces.

SPEAKER_02 (49:43):
I know, I don't know if I have a story about that.
I don't know if it's Jeff.
I don't remember.
Some magical nights like 10years ago.
Some magical night at Lupulin.
I love this.
It was it was a magical night atLupalin.
I'm like, I am at Lupin, I'mworking for Grand City, and my
boss and I stopped in, goingfrom St.
Cloud, stopped in, and then I'mlike, I'm like peeking back in

(50:03):
the brewery, and all of a suddensome guy taps me and like, You
want a tour?

SPEAKER_04 (50:08):
That sounds like he peeked up in the corner of the
window.
That sounds like one finger.

SPEAKER_02 (50:13):
But I was like, I was like, I would love one.
And then I brought my boss in,and then he brought us to the
back, and he's like, and notonly this 10-barrel brewery, but
back where they're expandingbefore they, you know, I mean,
they were just in the midst ofgoing crazy, and he was generous
with his time, and just it wasan awesome experience, and it's
just one of those things thatsolidified my like love for this

(50:36):
kind of stuff.
When you meet people along theway like that, you just want to
do more.
So it was awesome.
Yeah, it was great.

SPEAKER_05 (50:41):
I I I could give another example of that just to
like name drop because I'mreally good at that.
Jen from Spiral Brewing Companywas a really good example of
that for me early on, likeearlier in the career.
She's great.
Is I remember I ran into herover uh off of Selby at um not
the muddy pig, what's the thebar that's right next to it?
Oh, the happy gnome?
No, uh, close to it.
It's got the really cool likehidden patio.

SPEAKER_07 (51:01):
Oh WA Frost.

SPEAKER_05 (51:03):
Nah, but we're we're in the same area.
Anyways, I remember I rememberit vividly, but that place that
I can't remember.

SPEAKER_07 (51:09):
Big Bertha's Fun Emporium in the home of the
Midwest back scratch.

SPEAKER_05 (51:13):
I don't know what you home of the Midwest back
scratch.

SPEAKER_07 (51:16):
That's right.
Now it's different than an EastCoast back scratch because
please not only do you get thesalt water, you also get the
abrasive accent.
The Midwest is just like, youknow, Midwest.
Instead of small fit, instead ofthe small fit, sweaty, your
skin.
Man, I'm full.
I that I need an app.

SPEAKER_02 (51:35):
I don't know what that means, but I'm up I'm up
for it.
Let's do it.

SPEAKER_07 (51:39):
Mashed potatoes were used.
That's all I'm gonna say.
Comfort food.

SPEAKER_05 (51:43):
Oh my god.
Tato hot dish.
Um I love it.
But I remember running into Jen.
We're at an account, it's anon-premise one, it's right over
in that area, and I can'tremember the name of the bar,
and it's gonna kill me becauseI've been there so many times.

SPEAKER_07 (51:54):
Fug me.
I know it's still open?

SPEAKER_05 (51:55):
Yeah, yeah.
It's driving me crazy.
They did the mystery shot allthe time.
It was like$3.
I don't know.
It's right next to where thebunny pig was.

SPEAKER_07 (52:02):
Moscow on the hill?

SPEAKER_05 (52:03):
It's it's the same area, but really close.

SPEAKER_07 (52:05):
Sweeney's.

SPEAKER_03 (52:05):
Sweeney, sweeney.

SPEAKER_05 (52:06):
Oh my god, me and God, yes.

SPEAKER_07 (52:09):
Oh god, my sister-in-law used to work
there.

SPEAKER_05 (52:11):
Sorry to Sweeney's.
That's I love you, and I justthat was a little misfire in my
brain.
But I remember like sitting downthere.

SPEAKER_07 (52:17):
That is a great patio.
It's awesome, yeah.
The fireplace.

SPEAKER_05 (52:20):
It's beautiful, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I remember sitting down at thebar, and then Jen sits down.
I've never met her before, andshe just starts like chatting
with me in this really pleasantmanner of just like we're
friends immediately.
I was like, oh, cool, great.
What do you do?
She's like, Oh, I'm just part ofSpiral.
I just sell for them.
I'm like, oh, that's neat.
And then like a few monthspassed, and I'm like, you're the
owner of Spiral.
Like, you're you're modest,you're easygoing, and you're

(52:42):
super pleasant.
And since then, I mean we getalong great.

SPEAKER_07 (52:44):
Her and Aaron Ziert went to college together.
No way, really.
They lived in the same atGustavus, they lived in the
Swedish house.

SPEAKER_05 (52:51):
I didn't realize they went to Gustavus.
Okay.

SPEAKER_07 (52:52):
Yep.
Yeah, they're gusties and reallyobsessed with the Swedish chef.

SPEAKER_08 (52:56):
From what I can the popcorn is popping, bork, bork,
bork, you know, that guy.

SPEAKER_07 (53:00):
Yeah.
You don't know how the SesameStreet thing?

SPEAKER_02 (53:04):
Hey.

SPEAKER_07 (53:05):
Oh my god.
What is a Swedish chef?

SPEAKER_02 (53:07):
Just us ganging up on nature at this point in time.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (53:09):
Well, I'm gonna kidnap you and show you a bunch
of stuff so you can be more thanthese situations.
How do you not know the Swedishchef?
That's a Muppet.
That's yeah or Kermit the Frogor something.
Kermit the Frog or something.
We need to end this.
This is crazy.

SPEAKER_01 (53:28):
I don't know what's happening.

SPEAKER_07 (53:30):
Yes, the Muppets.

SPEAKER_05 (53:31):
Yeah.
Okay, all right.
All right.
We got there.
I said Sesame Street.
You could have given me a pointfor that.
Yeah.
It's close.

SPEAKER_00 (53:37):
A biscuit over 21.
A biscuit over 21.

SPEAKER_04 (53:40):
My three-year-old son is doomed.
You got some work to do.

SPEAKER_07 (53:45):
You need to watch all the Muppet movies.
And they're good.
They're good, good, funnymovies.
The kid will love them.

SPEAKER_05 (53:51):
Right now I'm force-feeding him ancient
aliens, and it's okay.
We need to call it socialservices.

SPEAKER_07 (53:58):
You traded in the Muppets from I don't know what
that what did you say?

SPEAKER_05 (54:02):
Ancient Aliens, yeah.
Is that a collection it was a itwas an old history channel show,
oldish being like quiet?
For your three-year-old old.
Yeah, where they tell you thatthe pyramids were made by
aliens, and so it's a goodthing.

SPEAKER_00 (54:15):
I had a college course that told me that.
Like an entire semester collegecourse.

SPEAKER_04 (54:24):
I watched the show, they said the world was flat.

SPEAKER_05 (54:27):
I just keep one record that's got the globe like
imprinted on it, and I'm like,this is a globe.

SPEAKER_10 (54:32):
Don't do that.

SPEAKER_05 (54:34):
Dave, if you wind up listening to this in like 10
years, I'm sorry.
I'm joking.

SPEAKER_07 (54:38):
My whole childhood was a lie.

SPEAKER_05 (54:40):
That's what happens when you get to the end of
Malax.
It just drops off.
Oh no.

SPEAKER_09 (54:46):
The end of Malax.

SPEAKER_05 (54:47):
Those poor fish.
I haven't made it very far inMinnesota.

SPEAKER_00 (54:51):
We have some work to do with Nate.
Yes, we do.
This is what I'm sensing.
We're working on it.

SPEAKER_07 (54:55):
Muppet movie marathon.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (54:58):
I mean, there are well, there are movie nights in
the future, perhaps here atTrolls.

SPEAKER_02 (55:02):
I mean, we're on to do all that kind of stuff, like
movie nights, and I mean we'rewe're gonna be doing all kinds
of different events here, but Imean, I don't I right now I
cannot think of a single one.
Why is that?
Movie?

SPEAKER_00 (55:12):
Well, I think movie nights are now gonna be directed
toward what we need Nate to see,and he has to attend them.

SPEAKER_05 (55:18):
You have to tie to like this like Bod Villian like
old school era we were talkingabout earlier, where it is like
the blob or like son of Frank.
Well, son of Frank is signed,but like you know, like really,
really like go far back in theyeah fun.

SPEAKER_02 (55:30):
Or Strange Brew.
Does anybody know that movie?

SPEAKER_07 (55:32):
That's a that's a solid one.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (55:34):
I've been told I need to watch the movie.
We're getting the glassy eyedlook from Nate.

SPEAKER_07 (55:37):
He clearly hasn't seen it.

SPEAKER_00 (55:39):
I'm I'm with Nate though.
I haven't watched it either.
It's good.
I know it's a problem.

SPEAKER_07 (55:42):
It's good.

SPEAKER_02 (55:43):
Yeah, I mean, it's one of the first actual beer
movies, you know, around.
Oh.
Have you seen Beer Fest?
Oh my god, absolutely.
Yes.
Okay, good.
Yeah.
All right.
We're okay then.
Faith in humanity restored.
Yeah, we'll do like we're gonnado like outdoor.
Next year is gonna be a littlebit more outdoorsy for us, so
we're gonna do outdoor moviesoutside, you know, drive-in
style.
But um, you know what I mean?

(56:04):
It'll be, you know, if you needa ficus, I know a guy.
Uh a ficus?

SPEAKER_07 (56:07):
Yeah, ficus trees.
It's a weird pitch.
They're all the rage.
Yeah.
It's a comforting, crazy.
Comforting tree.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Indoors or outdoors.

SPEAKER_10 (56:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (56:14):
Are we starting with Strange Brew though?

SPEAKER_02 (56:16):
I don't know.
We haven't seen.
I haven't decided yet.
So it might be uh more familyfriendly.
Oh, yeah.
So, you know, toy stories,something like that.
So we'll see.
Just to bring everybody outbecause where the kids go,
parents go.
That's true.
That's what I was gonna tellyou.
Yeah.
Next door, they're gonna beopening up a 70,000 square foot
trampoline park.

SPEAKER_05 (56:35):
Yeah, it's like a big entertainment center for
kids.

SPEAKER_02 (56:37):
Big entertainment center for kids.

SPEAKER_00 (56:39):
When you tell me this, you tell me it's
trampolines and a climbing wall.
It is.

SPEAKER_02 (56:43):
It is like a huge climbing wall, like all kinds of
stuff.
But mostly for kids.

SPEAKER_05 (56:51):
Well, I'll stay on this side of the wall.
It's a great incentive for folksto come down where it's like,
hey, hang out, bring your kidsover here, kick them to the
curb.
Or no, come come over here withyour kids.

SPEAKER_07 (57:01):
Um show them a record, tell them it looks this
is what Earth is like, and havea beer.

SPEAKER_02 (57:08):
Exactly.
I mean, if I could have apass-through wall right here, I
would.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I don't know.
We'll see.
But they're definitely buildingit to be open by in a March.
Uh but the good thing aroundhere is they're building other
things.
They built the Zupas, they'redoing a coffee shop and a
dentist.
Super fun.
Well, yeah, I mean, so it canall be exciting.

SPEAKER_00 (57:25):
What I like most after visiting the dentist is
going to have a beer.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (57:28):
I like the folks that go to the brewery first
before the dentist.
Oh, that's a good idea, too.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (57:33):
All right, fair enough.
Yeah.
Are they all relaxed, right?

SPEAKER_05 (57:36):
I don't know if I'm more relaxed, but I'm just
spiteful towards my dentist.

SPEAKER_07 (57:39):
Are they also revamping Burnsville Mall?
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (57:44):
It's a loaded question, but yeah.
So they they are.
So they're having an Asian mallgonna be opening up, but there's
like three cool.
There's three different, whichit looks pretty cool, but
there's three differentcompanies going to be or have
purchased the mall.
And they're all doing their ownthing.
And so we don't all know what'sgonna be happening.
There people were, you know,passing around of like you know,
pickleball, all that kind ofstuff.

(58:06):
So right now, the biggest thingwe know is Asian mall is about
to open.
Okay.
And so that would be prettyawesome.
So I don't know, like EdenPrairie, when they're yeah,
which is one of my favoriteplaces to be.
I love that place.

SPEAKER_07 (58:18):
I have a hilarious story about that.
So when my last year at thejunior high in my district, I
teach in Hopkins, they have aXingjing program, which is like
Chinese immersion.
Cool.
And they brought the kids to theAsian mall for field trip.
And this one kid who I had ineighth grade, he bought a live
Dungeness crab.
He like, he's like, hey, when Iwas there when he was there, and

(58:39):
so like the kids came back, I'mlike, Oh, what'd you get?
He's like, Chuck it up, Mr.
B.
I'm like, Jesus Christ, thatthing's moving.
What are you gonna do with that?
He's like, I'm gonna bring ithome and my mom will cook it.
And it was I'm like, okay,great.
This is awesome.

SPEAKER_08 (58:53):
Did he bring it directly from yes?

SPEAKER_07 (58:55):
And I'm like, that thing is not gonna survive.
You have like three more hoursof that.

SPEAKER_05 (58:58):
That needs to be like in a cooler, like also it
had a containment unit for himto like, it wasn't like in his
like the foot out.

SPEAKER_00 (59:06):
It was picturing like a goldfish bag.

SPEAKER_07 (59:08):
No, essentially that.
Oh my god.
This same kid also one time whenI had a seventh grade?
He well, he was a ninth grader.
Ninth grader.
Ninth grader with dungeons crabmoney walking around.
Well, no, this is because thisguy should be a salesman because
he had like five bucks.
But he got all his other friendsto chip in money so he could buy
a dungen as crab.

SPEAKER_02 (59:28):
He should be a salesman.

SPEAKER_07 (59:29):
Yeah, yeah.
He had charisma.
Also, one time when I got achurch is what he did.
I had a sub.
When you have a sub in school,sometimes they leave notes
behind, and he was very funny,but also didn't understand time
and a place.
So he had like some sort of hecalled he said, Hey, do you have
any tape?
And the sub wrote this all downlike verbatim.

(59:50):
She's like, Yeah, one of yourstudents asked for tape and he
had a very phallic display.
Uh, he claimed it was for ahealth class project.
So he just had a card.
Board ding dong that he was likepassed off as some health health
project and like well did yougive the tape like it's just
like like that is you know don'tdon't stand in the way of

(01:00:11):
progress Miguel's scholarlypursuits artistic expression
yeah he was he was a goofballthat is amazing story though
yeah I don't know where we goafter that but I don't know
either so yes Asian malls openup over here and if you want to
buy a crab um and bring it tothe brewery pets are allowed
yeah yeah um I mean there's thatthat's right throw it in the

(01:00:33):
throw it in the work they areallowed yes they are yes hey I
I've had an oyster beer or twoin my day ew no all right well
Darren from Rapids BrewingCompany sorry Jeffrey disagrees
really I don't know I've neverheard of such a thing but I
don't know prove me wrong I'lldrink it if I like it no one
time when I got a tour back whenuh the the big distribution
center uh right by insight wasJohnson brothers yeah yeah we

(01:00:57):
got Johnson JJ Taylor JJ Taylorthat's what I meant yeah so we
got a tour of JJ Taylor and itwas so crazy but there was a
spot yeah I was amazed at howlike robotic like they have this
robot arm that just goes andgrabs pallets and like organizes
them but there was a like afirkin of an oyster stout and it
just had like a tapedhandwritten piece of paper in

(01:01:18):
Sharpie and it said pearlnecklace.

SPEAKER_05 (01:01:20):
I love that and I was like oh that's interesting
what sort of a tour are wegetting ourselves into here
folks what have we stepped intoit was a little white this is
why we do small business yeah soI've had oyster stouts though
they're good are they goodthey're a little briny I've
never had one I had my my firstone was at uh Red Light Red
Light in Orlando Florida I wentwith uh Lance Asher from the

(01:01:42):
Growler magazine way back lightred light light red light do you
know what no oh great littlelike uh like brew pub I don't
know import goofy stuff this isgreat we need to do this every
week I didn't make the nameswear to god it's real I'm
believing you ask Lance Lance isa real person as well I swear
but yeah it was a good stout itwas exactly what Dan just said

(01:02:04):
it's got this kind of like brinymineralic like I mean because I
love oysters there's no oystersin it is that what you're
worried about no I wasn'tworried about that I just
worried about the flavorcombination but you know it
works with the with the stoutkind of like now right fair
enough I was picturing an actualoyster as well oh no I've known
that Jeffrey what you're whatI'm hearing is like folks can

(01:02:25):
look forward to a Dungeness crabstout as soon as that would be a
great collaboration geeks andgurus geeks and geeks geeks and
gurus that's and possibly ashellfish allergy that is effing
around a little too much that'swhat I think but I mean for me
it's like the oysters like Ithought that that would be a
interesting flavor.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:42):
But I don't I don't know if I ought to do it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:02:44):
I love oysters but I think they just put the shells
yeah I'll say so I rememberspecifically with the I'll give
Darren another shout out becauseyou know how expensive oysters
are so I know a guy.

SPEAKER_07 (01:02:54):
Same guy that sells me the Fikus stuff I he does
oysters too.
Alright he's a deep sea diver.
I love oysters in Millax hedoesn't go to the edge though so
he's never fallen off here.
I feel like all this is code forsomething we've come full circle
no we'll keep going the Britishaccent has come out the geeks
and gurus is in full effect.

SPEAKER_05 (01:03:14):
Oh that was the beer offer thank you grant um I was
gonna say so like one thing thatopened my eyes up like it was a
year or two ago I was over at uhSir Ben's in Duluth it totally
off tangent of like our Ben'smagical place.
Sir Benz is fantastic.
Josh does such a great job ofjust having this like cozy
little vibe with good beer and Imean I can say a Ruben tastes
good.
A Rubin tastes good is anywhere.
Soggy Ruben at Arby's two thumbsup but but at Sir Ben's it's

(01:03:36):
really great.
Oh no but I was up there like Isaid like a year ago one of his
bartenders like yeah I just gotdone with a dive over in uh
superior I was like fucking whatand he's like yeah you know it's
nice outside it's summer it'ssun's shining whatnot just jump
in the water do a little deepstuff they do that apparently
yeah it's it's frigid in thereyeah Minnesota people are crazy

(01:03:57):
yeah I was freaked the fuck outI was like we're like my wife
and my daughter and I were upthere and all of a sudden some
people came out of the lake Iwasn't expecting people to come
out of the lake and then up andthen into saunas I was like okay
the Atlantis invasion ishappening.
I was like that was tell themayor that was all pines north

(01:04:18):
last year where it was like a 90degree day and everyone's like
oh we wrapped the festival we'regonna go jump in the lake like
that's wild I understand it'slike July but still I heard
stories about this yeah speakingof All Pines I missed the beer
party that St.

SPEAKER_07 (01:04:31):
Ben's would have on All Pines Eve.
Remember that they'd get all thebeer trailers in their parking
lot they don't do they haven'tdone that in a couple years.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:38):
No it's been a little bit well so it's that's a
another very long conversationbut like Duluth is getting
really weird with having AllPines North it's just so
expensive.

SPEAKER_07 (01:04:45):
Well yeah because it's like Vegas prices for
hotels.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:48):
It's Vegas price for hotels and so it's like really
restrictive on the consumersreally restrictive on the
breweries.
It's tough to get up there to dothe actual thing.
We love doing it up in Duluthand I don't want to like give
too much information or likethoughts for the guild itself
because it's not my place to sayit.

SPEAKER_07 (01:05:02):
But despite the fact that you are on the board.

SPEAKER_05 (01:05:04):
I I'm on the board but I don't want to like
publicly say too many thingsbecause like because like it's
it's a point of contention wherewe're we're just concerned
because we want to do it becausewe love it and we're trying to
find a way to continue doing it.
Yeah.
And so it's that makes sense.
Yeah and it's tough because yeahit used to be where it's like
all these big grandiose likefestival parties pre-parties
like nonsense I used to sleep inthe back of my Jeep or the back

(01:05:25):
of my party band yeah it was agreat time yeah that was my way
of cutting the cost to make ithappen.
It's getting exorbitantly moreexpensive to come up there.
And so the parties are superfun.
Nonsense I met my wife up theretechnically that's awesome.
That's cool.
I didn't know that I met my wifeup there because after ingesting
an entire festival's worth ofthings as as well as some

(01:05:46):
tincture from another brewer ofa place that I'm really fond of
that I won't name drop today Ihad enough liquid courage which
is a lot of liquid courage toInstagram DM a very attractive
Hispanic woman on my Instagram.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:58):
Wow you gotta risk it for the biscuit absolutely
your wife is amazing by the waysuch a nice such a nice person
she's a big fan of yours yeahyeah so message her that night
didn't remember messaging herwhen I woke up and wow thank you

(01:06:19):
all pints north yeah and nowwe've got a three year old true
story true story the circle oflove yes and it's all tied into
beer yes it is it is yeah Iwould and I've never as a I know
this is gonna sound really crazybut never been all pints north

(01:06:40):
really Jeffrey because I've seenyou at like other beer festivals
I've asked them like what didyou say?

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:44):
I know that's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:46):
I've seen you at like other stuff from my brewery
has but I have not personal Imean so it's like one of those
like realities that you have tokind of like gut check a little
bit when it's like you need todo it here like you know ma
manage the tap room all thatkind of stuff and then you know
get up and then get up there andlike do all the kind of stuff we
have volunteers and all thatkind of stuff people already up
there so and then last year thislast year Nate meant for us in

(01:07:09):
May which was uh amazing uh butit is it's cost prohibitive and
I would love to see that comedown so more people would go you
know I mean so that's the trickypart to talk to the Duluth board
for that one.
Yeah no maybe I'll go put my twocents in because I think it's
cost prohibitive and you knowpeople could be having a lot of
fun and you know expand thisexperience.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:31):
So this year was my first all heights I feel like I
booked it kind of late so thatthe hotel was ridiculously
expensive.

SPEAKER_05 (01:07:39):
But I thought it was just because I booked it no it
would have been if you were ninemonths in advance like they know
and like I think it was like twoor three years ago um the finish
fest yeah started happening atthe exact same time too so like
they know an audience is showingup and before they just jack up
the prices.
Absolutely yeah and and likeprice sucks and it sucks
spending that much but it issuch a good time.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:00):
It is such a good time I almost feel like it's I
want to say it's worth it.

SPEAKER_07 (01:08:04):
The cost is totally worth it.
I I had no regrets afterwards Ihad absolutely no regrets
because it was like the I almostlost an eye for multiple reasons
I almost lost an eye left it allout there folks my my mission
for you next year you need toattend all pines yeah I would
love to go absolutely whateveryou need to make that happen I

(01:08:27):
want to help with a differentyear for us you know we're gonna
fund it with a Dungeness crabstout yep we have we have our
struggles but we also have ourexpectations and we're gonna
make it Scott Fitzgerald ScottFitzgerald isn't that a new
documentary just came out rightthe Edmund Fitzgerald oh yeah

(01:08:49):
what did he call it Dan's gonnalose it Dan's already lost it
yeah that's my bad I've neverseen his face this red before
Scott Fitzgerald he's gonna useI'd like to hear Gordon
Whitefoot do a song about thathe wrote a lot of books and they
were about people who drank inthe nice places all in St.

(01:09:12):
Paul F.

SPEAKER_05 (01:09:16):
Scott Fitzgerald wrote the Great Gatsby I
realized the error of mysentences after you started
laughing on the oh god that'sgood oh man you're gonna make an
error that was that was a reallygood one that one is going on
the poor one out for theinfrastructure anniversary of
that too like the other day andeverybody's posting about I

(01:09:36):
should have gotten that down.

SPEAKER_07 (01:09:37):
Well you know that guy was kind of a prick he had
his wife committed to a mentalinstitution in Louisville the
boat or no in Asheville no notthe Edmund Fitzgerald F.
Scott Fitzgerald I learned thiswhen I went to Asheville and the
Airbnb host I stayed with hadhorses at the Biltmore estate
and she was like do you want togo to the Biltmore?
I'm like yeah I was thinkingabout it like well I could keep

(01:09:58):
my horses there we could go inthe back like we drove in the
back way the Biltmore estate andthen she told me like yeah F F
Scott Fitzgerald had his wifecommitted here so he could like
live his best life you know notwith her.
Yeah not with her it's kind ofsad.
That's rough yeah also sad whathappened with the Edmund
Fitzgerald as we all know if youdidn't pay attention to social

(01:10:21):
media.

SPEAKER_08 (01:10:21):
Did it sink?
Oh it sank yeah I'm justchecking that's gonna stay with
me for a long time between thatand the joke you told before we
started recording I'm gonnagiggle myself to sleep tonight.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:37):
I don't doubt it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:38):
And with that we are gonna wrap things up here at
Trove in Burnsville Minnesota.
Good lord unless you want tojust keep the mics rolling I
mean we could keep the micsrolling who knows what's going
to happen at this point.

SPEAKER_07 (01:10:53):
I don't think anything productive got some
other boat and literaryreferences combined and
biscuits.

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:00):
And biscuits you know for Christmas we're theming
our actual Christmas party aspirates and that that's not a
gimmick off of the conversationlike that's very literally we've
got like 20 people coming to ourhouse dressed as pirates this
year.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:11):
That's awesome.

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:12):
Are there any blind prostitutes I'd like to see some
photos nobody heard thereference to that's a strange
question.
Just Courtney come on just putit in the family show.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:22):
Courtney Hunting my sister's showing up yes oh my
god she doesn't listen to thispodcast I went on record that
Jeffrey invited me to come downto this I did.
It's not my fault.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:36):
Alright we are gonna wrap this up where can we find
Tro Brewing on social media sopeople can follow you and do all
the things well you can find uson Facebook Instagram obviously
and that's where we do most ofour posting these days so you
can find us there.

SPEAKER_07 (01:11:51):
Excellent Dan where can people find you people can
find me at a one pint stand onInstagram Facebook Blue Sky
Mastodon and TikTok it kills meevery time you say Mastodon.
Yeah it's a new thing I have oneof my one of my Patreon
subscribers is like that's hispreferred method of social media
so I'm on there now just forhim.
Nice there you go and uh if youwant to find my written content

(01:12:14):
go to a onepintstand.com.
Lots of good stuff on there.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:17):
Lots of good stuff.
And I am Courtney you can findme at the brewery adventure on
Instagram orthebreyadventure.com or Courtney
at the breweryadventure.com ifyou feel like sending me a
message about this episode oranything that you heard here
today.

SPEAKER_07 (01:12:31):
If you are a relative of F.
Scott Fitzgerald or EdmundFitzgerald direct your comments
to livecredo biscuit21 atMySpace.

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:42):
I caught the tail on that if I get to plug any of my
stuff as well so very nearfuture look for voltage THC out
on your store shelves look foramper THC, botanic THC it's all
under Credo brands our partnerswith Green Elevator THC as well.
Look for those and uh come ondown to Tro Brewing Company to
try out Carbon Bites.
That's the name of our foodtruck and we're pretty stoked.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:02):
I am so excited for that to come out here.

SPEAKER_07 (01:13:04):
I love Alpa store tacos I'm very excited I can't
wait to eat them all the time.
Oh god that's gonna be great I'myeah I can't wait mostly for
selfish reasons because I'mhungry all the time so you're
gonna have to put in like alittle bit of a real Fiesta del
Chacha around here it's like ohboy I'm excited.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:25):
Yes that's gonna be great yes door and it's gonna
smell amazing in here so yeah Ican't wait.

SPEAKER_07 (01:13:31):
So because when you do it the right way you get that
like crust that from the youknow the pork gets crispy so
then in those you get the thattextural difference from like
the fat drips down and then it'sthe combination of the fat
dripping down then also you haveto skewer the pineapple on the
top and the bottom so that wayyou're getting the sweetness
that comes down from it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:13:50):
And then you're making me way too hungry.
This is all Richie stuff butlike the Meridade he has too it
everything soaks down to thebottom it's it's really awesome.
Yeah um and it El Pastor is justone of the things that we got
going on.
I mean we've got influences itthis is a better pitch for
earlier in the conversation butwe've got influences from
Argentina Venezuela Korea.
This is not a Hispanic specificfood truck.

(01:14:13):
We're taking influences fromkind of all over and turning
into fusion.
I don't want to say fusionentire but yes yeah it's it's I
just like the word influencedit's it's we're not doing Korean
food but we've got some flavorsof these different things that
are tying into the the smallplates we're gonna be serving.
Yeah that's exciting I haven'thad his food it's amazing
basically everything's charcoalcooked so that that is the

(01:14:34):
biggest push is it's carbonbites yeah got it carbon bites I
love it I'm so looking forwardto this carbonbitesgrill.com
Instagram Facebook Twitter uhnot Twitter no sorry TikTok all
right that's it for us gosupport your local craft brewery
support some THC drinks go checkyeah local ones go check that

(01:14:59):
out and we will see you nexttime on the brewery adventure I
also didn't walk the table afterthat Ralph I know

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