Prof. Deborah Lawrence on De-Fragmentation

Professor Deborah Lawrence is a pioneer in tropical forest ecology, but also in integrating a broad variety of academics and real world experiences to better understand environmental problems and solutions. In this episode we talk from the theme of "de-fragmentation" as a fundamental solution for people, socially and environmentally. We divide the interview into three sections. In part 1 Dr. Lawrence shares an overview of her scientific work distinguishing tropical forests as having greater influence over global climate than other ecosystems. In part 2 she talks about her “awakening” to animals and rainforests and the Indigenous people in them, during college, which led to roughly six years of research in remote Borneo. That experience had a tragic end, but 15 years later a beautiful resolution. She shares about that journey and its value today. In the third segment, Dr. Lawrence talks about her vision for an optimal future for everyone.

About Deborah Lawrence
Deborah Lawrence, Ph.D., is Director of the Environmental Thought & Practice program and Professor of Environmental Sciences at the University of Virginia, Charlottesville. Her extensive research focuses on nutrient cycling, Indigenous peoples, the links between tropical deforestation and climate change, and the impacts of forest conversion on our climate around the globe. She is an adviser to the US Forest Service and US AID. She has spent more than twenty-five years doing field-based research in Indonesia, Costa Rica, Mexico, and Cameroon. She and her students work with partners in hydrology, atmospheric science, economics, anthropology, ethics, engineering, law, and more, to understand the drivers and consequences of issues related to ecosystem destruction. Dr. Lawrence has earned numerous awards, including a Guggenheim Fellowship, a National Academy of Sciences fellowship, and a Fulbright Scholarship. She earned her undergrad at Harvard, her Ph.D. at Duke, and was a post-doctoral fellow at Harvard. Learn more about Dr. Lawrence's work here and here.

Notes -- This episode explores its topics under the theme of De-Fragmentation.

• Section 1: Tropical Forest “Teleconnections”. We begin by discussing Dr. Lawrence’s breakthrough 2014 study on Tropical Forest teleconnections: AKA, tropical forests' influence on global moisture cycles. Tropical rainforests are better at stabilizing global climate than any other land-based ecosystem. Dr. Lawrence shares: 
  • Definition of tropical forest teleconnections
  • Her biggest takeaways from that study, today 
  • How trees' leaves serve the whole planet. “Leaves are tiny pumps.” (Chris)
  • Whether or not tropical re-forestation can reduce heat and drought around the world
  • The power of thoughtful reforestation and deforestation
  • Two recommendations for how to protect tropical rainforests. 
• Section 2: Lessons learned in Borneo. Dr. Lawrence tells us how she ended up living and working in a remote village in Borneo for roughly six years until “getting kicked out.” She shares general as well as very profound, personal lessons learned from that time. Check "Quotes" below for some takeaways. 
• Section 3: Envisioning an Optimal Future. Professor Lawrence expands on her earlier statements from this interview: that we need to work to be connected to each other and the planet, know all we can about how to protect the rainforests, change our economy, recognize the environment as our life-support system, feel the miraculousness of photosynthesis, conserve more, and help more because we care more. See Quotes for takeaways. 

Quotes

“Tree cover stabilizes climate."

"There are certain scale effects of deforestation. Scale matters. If you can think through the local climate and the local atmospheric dynamics you can figure out how to manage rainfall through deforestation."

"The atmosphere is all connected. Forests move a lot of moisture through their leaves... That sets up a bunch of dynamics in the atmosphere that come out of the Tropics and ultimately have ripple effects across the globe... We need to protect large, large patches of forest."

"Know all you can about the products you consume. Address climate through the political system. We need to act."

"Work together. Try to be connected."

"The first thing that struck me from almost the get go, is that people are the same everywhere. They wanted to eat, a decent house, schooling for their kids, care for their family when they were sick, and enough money to throw a great wedding for th