#16 What Is Your Creative Outlet?

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Chelsea (00:00):
And welcome back to the Brighter Podcast.
My name is Chelsea,

BatSheva (00:03):
My name is Batsheva,

Chelsea (00:05):
and my life is so much brighter thanks to Batsheva

BatSheva (00:08):
my life is super brighter.
Thanks to Chelsea.

Chelsea (00:10):
We love to come on here and share our stories, our tools
and techniques, our lifeexperience, and sometimes really
get vulnerable with you in orderto brighten someone's day and to
hope that these episodes reachall that they're meant for.
And today we're gonna be talkingabout our creative outlets.

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Last week we talked about how wecomfort ourselves and, but
Batsheva and I have both foundthat creativity is a huge part
of that.
so that's what we're gonna bediving into today.
But before we do that, we liketo arrive in the.
Space together.
So if you're able to close downyour eyes, I invite You to do
that.
If not, please keep them open,especially if you're driving or

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doing something where eyesclosed is not safe.
And we'll begin by taking a deepbreath in the nose and exhaling
out the mouth.
Another deep breath.
And exhaling out the mouth.

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Last breath, deepest one, andexhale.

BatSheva (01:26):
Nice.

Chelsea (01:28):
Beautiful.
Sometimes just doing that reallycan change the whole
perspective, so.
Diving into our creativeoutlets, we would love to hear
what you all do for creativeoutlets.
for me personally, I have foundthroughout my life, it's
definitely changed.
there was a time where I wasreally into pottery and throwing

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on the wheel, which I stilllove, and I hope to get back
into the one lady who does it ather house.
She like always has a wait list,but I'm hopeful that I'll be
able to get in there soon.
I've found that through sound,through the Tibetan singing
bowls and crystal singing bowlsand the tuning forks that I've

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been getting into recently.
That's been a really bigcreative outlet and creating
gifts for people.
whenever we go on these trips tosee our favorite band, the
string cheese incident, or we goon Jam Cruise or something like
that, everyone's always handingout stickers or trinkets or

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something that they've made,whether it's leather or magnets.
And so coming up with somethingcreative like that has also been
fun.
I went through a phase of beingcatchers and friendship
bracelets.

BatSheva (02:52):
That reminds me, my cousin, who lives on the East
coast in Connecticut, she justposted online, someone had
posted this picture of thesebeautiful crocheted roses of all
colors that I guess she hadgifted her friend and she had
made, and my cousin, I thinkshe's in her seventies, but it
was just like the most gorgeouscool craft.

Chelsea (03:11):
I love that.
I love crafting.
I feel like that's one of thethings, as I have gotten a
little older, it's really takingthe time and dedicating that
time to creativity, because youcan find your schedule so filled
with so many other things, andit's like coming back to that
creativity, to that play toreally enjoy life and to make it

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fun.

BatSheva (03:33):
And it's funny'cause one of the reasons Chelsea and I
really wanted to put thisepisode up had to do with the
fact that.
We wanna specifically call outcreativity as a technique and a
tool for making our daysbrighter for self love, for
self-compassion, self care,because as she mentioned, our
last episode was on how wecomfort ourself.

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Sometimes we do that in waysthat is a little self-harming,
even though in the moment it,soothes us like, we'll use
substances or whatever, or food,to overcompensate for some
negative feelings My own journeywith creativity in my adult
life, in my later adult life ledme to ultimately incorporate it

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and weave it into the methodthat I created that I coach
with.
And that was like anon-negotiable deal breaker.
Like working with someone as acoach, I do have them doing the
daily Ws with me, likeexchanging, you know, their wins
was and wishes or notexchanging, sharing them with me
and I give them the reply and wedo some other techniques, but

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the creative writing or doingwhat lights them up creatively.
It could be crafting, it couldbe DIY projects.
It could be like singingkaraoke.
it's integral to the programbecause I coach from what I
lived and experienced, and whathappened to me is that after
being a super creative child,mostly in the realm of

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performing if it was writing,singing, acting, I mean, I even
love standup comedy, like all ofthat.
every single kind of creativewriting.
and I did it very consistentlythroughout my entire life,
including through college.
Although as I've, I think, saidhere on the podcast before, I've
definitely written about it, Idefinitely shut down a part of
myself.

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That used to love to sing andact once I got to college.
'cause I got, you know, rejectedwhatever, and I was so sensitive
and all I really wanted was,approval I guess, and
acceptance.
So when I didn't get that, itjust shut me down completely.
So I kind of pivoted todirecting, being a little bit
behind the scenes.
And then when I had.
Something akin to kind of like anervous breakdown in my early

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twenties, moving out here to LAand rebuilding from that.
I rediscovered creativity.
At that point.
In my twenties, I wrote, acted,and sang in a one woman show.
I had this explosion ofcreativity.
I had a band we played aroundtown.
I was writing screenplays.
I wrote a novel, and all of thatwas like an explosion of amazing
creativity.
It was like the main.

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Goal of my professional life wasto be professionally creative,
and I pivoted so sharply.
Oh my goodness.
Like, I don't know whatastrologically my chart had in
store for me, but I guess I knowbecause I did live it for the
past 20 years, but I chose.

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This path of diving into aspiritual life.
In my case, it was through thetools and techniques as laid out
by the Kabbalah Center, but Itook it so seriously.
I went as deep as a person cango, which they don't necessarily
advise, but I wanted it.
I chose a man to marry who wassuper intense in that world.

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Like following all theguidelines, almost like modern
Jewish Orthodox life, althoughthe way we were celebrating it
and the way we were, like ourintentions were very spiritually
focused.
and then having a family, whichI really at that point wanted so
desperately I wanted to be amother.
I had this dream of having twoboys and two girls, and I

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fucking fulfilled that dream.
I have two boys and two girls,you know, knock on wood.
they're healthy and happy andit's all good.
But in the process of havingchild after child and doing this
spiritual system that meant likefollowing all these rules and
guidelines and kind of likesubjugating.
My own independence to likerules and someone else's

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guidelines.
I really began to lose mycreative spark.
Little by little by little, Istill would keep up, you know, a
little bit here, a littlewriting there.
I had a blog, a mom blog for awhile.
But by the time the fourth childhit and we opened our coffee
shop, the retail store, whichwas like 24 7, needed attention
and mothering.
It was like a fifth child.
my creativity had, shrunk tozero, I think like literally

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zero.
And I was, that was probably thebeginning of like my low point
in my marriage, because I wasjust sacrificing that spark
within myself.
In order to support and helpeveryone around me, especially
my husband, the business of mychildren, and they didn't notice
or care, it was like kind of upto me.
I would've needed to assertmyself and I didn't, I did not

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assert my own needs and desires.
I didn't even, I wasn't even intouch with them.
So, you know, cut to five yearslater, I had.
Begun to miss it so much and Istarted to take some guitar
lessons and begin to learn howto accompany myself.
The songs I had written, I hadnever been able to accompany
myself on guitar.
So I learned enough to be ableto like perform a couple of them

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at like our five year coffeeshop, celebration, anniversary
of being open and one of myclients at the time.
Who worked in a jewelry storearound the corner.
She's, she's this wonderfulRussian girl, Natalia.
She said, oh my God, you're bornto do that.
Why aren't you doing that?
I used to be in a band in NewYork, like, I'm a drummer.
We should be in a band.
And I was like, oh my God.
Yes, yes, yes.

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But in the back of my head, Iwas like, eh, fuck that.
I have four kids, a coffee shop,a husband.
Like there's no way in theworld.
Like I literally knew I waslying to her when I was like,
oh.
And I was flattered, but I waslike, oh my God, not gonna
happen.
And then.
I would sort of tell my husband,like, I wanna do this.
Like, I wanna go on like,America's got talent, you know?
'cause there's no like age limitthere.

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And I was like, I wanna do, andhe was like, he was looking at
me like, I'm crazy because we'reso busy.
It wasn't that he actuallydidn't want that for me.
I mean, he really wasn't tryingto shut me down at all
creatively, but he just, heneeded his coffee, our coffee
shop.
Of course it's now his again,'cause I needed out of that
world.
But at the time, you know, wedid found it together.
He was like.

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Looking at our life, the coffeeshop, the kids, his own life,
and.
He did not see where that wouldfit.
And I also, I saw it through hiseyes.
I'm like, yeah, it doesn't fit.
So I kept subjugating.
But at the meantime, and as I'vesaid, I started to support
myself in more,self-compassionate and loving
ways using all the tools we'resharing on all these podcasts,
literally, which is again, whatI built into the program that I

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coach with because it finallyworked for me so well.
it created a baseline for me to,you know, grow and be happy.
And, so finally.
After the separation, after thedivorce.
And if you wanna hear more aboutthat story, you gotta go back to
the previous episodes where I'vetold a little bit more of that
story.
a friend of mine out of the bluewas like, I'm taking this
writing class in the valley, whydon't you come take it?

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And I was like, oh, the valley,it's kind of far from where I
live.
And I literally decided last.
Minute I'd missed the firstclass.
I went to the second class andthis wonderful teacher, her
name's Robin Finn and sheteaches on Zoom and she's got a
book out now.
She's a wonderful method thatI've actually since incorporated
into the coaching method, and Ido it with a little group myself
every week.
We have like our own littleWhatsApp group that kind of spun

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off from her class, but sheteaches this technique that,
it's.
Definitely a known technique.
And actually Chelsea mentionedit during our, journaling
episode, I think episode 10,where you just set a timer and
you write, but in this case, shewould give a prompt.
So, whatever the prompt was, ifit was a photograph, a memory, a
phrase, we would start with thatprompt and then.
Not think, no rational thoughtand either type or write for 10

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or 15 or 20 full minutes.
And then it was a group of moms.
It was a very safe andsupportive environment.
And then we would share, wewould read it to each other and
I was so real, I just put it allin the paper and I would be like
sobbing reading my piece andlike kind of mortified beyond
belief internally.
Literally mortified like I'm notan exhibitionist and yet.

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I just was somehow driven to belike, you know, I don't know
these people.
My friend didn't even end uptaking the class.
I'm like, I just, I'm just gonnalay it all out there.
Because I felt, I guessintuitively there was like a
therapeutic element, which therecompletely was and it was
received with so much love, somuch warmth.
Actually, like my very firstclient as a coach ended up a

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year later coming from that'cause she kind of.
Approached me and asked me liketo mentor her as a writer.
And so it was like my wholetechnique was born out of that
like relationship.
And then we, I would do thatweek after week and then, and it
was, like so re reinforcing,like it literally was.

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Giving to me this nourishmentand joy I was being seen and
witnessed and loved for mycreative output.
And you know, obviouslycreativity, it's just ourselves
reflected in art.
So it was, yes, it was oftenbeing real and telling stories
about myself, but it was art, itwas written word, it was essays.
It wasn't like journaling.

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It was stories and In the end,we had like a reading wine and
cheese that we were gonna readthe story that we loved the
most, publicly to this audienceof friends and family.
And then we had to do our biosfor this event.
And I had this like, I was likeat a crossroads'cause I was
like, my first impulse was to dowhat I'd been fucking doing for

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20 years.
Just write like, BatSheva is amom of four and you know, blah
blah, blah, And then I was like,I.
Forced myself to dig deep withinand find the courage to write
what was not exactly true atthat moment.
But it had been true in mytwenties and I wanted it to be
true again.

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So I said, you know, went toYale, you know, plug my school.
And then I was like, she's awriter.
I.
Singer songwriter, an actress,performer.
I wrote it.
I put it on the page, and Imean, nobody would've cared one
way or the other, but for me itwas a big act of courage.
And of course, it's an act ofcourage just to share one's
writing publicly or even in asmall class or group.

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And it's one of those actsthat's transformative in a very
positive way, is assuming thatit's like a positive audience.
You know, that small environmentand.
That was for me, a turning pointand I can look back and that
was, I don't know, two, two anda half years ago.
That my whole life is now again,back on track and going in the

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direction of full creativity,and I include the podcast within
that.
You know, singing, acting,writing, and living, and just
believing in the creativeprocess as the most important
tool to elicit joy and to shareourselves like the joyful.

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Heart that we have within andconnect with others through what
we create.

Chelsea (14:28):
Wow.
You literally are like livingcreativity.
I love it.
I love how much you play andallow yourself the
opportunities, and I.
You know, gift that to yourselfto do that on a daily basis.
And it's amazing.
And over our relationship, Ihave definitely watched your joy

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and happiness grow with the morecreative things that you get to
do.
And it's not even necessarilythe success of them.
I mean, of course everyone wantsto be successful.
You want, you know, especiallyin our society.
you know, which kind of bringsme, I guess to where.
I was gonna lead about.
we have a group that meets liketwice a month.

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We call ourselves the consciouscrew and we create our little
homework and it's maybe somequestions along with it and send
that out.
We changed who's gonna assignthe homework every time and
whose house is gonna be hostedat.
And this last time the topic wascreativity and it was actually a
video that our friend Sydney,who assigned the homework, she

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posted it was a conversationbetween Brene Brown and.
Oprah and they were talkingabout creativity, and Brene was
saying that essentially alongthe lines of you have all this
creativity inside of you, and ifyou don't express it, it
manifests into something elseand that something else can be.
Anger.

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It can be resentment, it can bedisease and illness.
It can be pain.
She was just saying like allthese different things, you
know, it can be grief, it can bedepression, and I was actually
coming off of a pretty highcreative endeavor going on jam
cruise, which like I had, Ithink I'd mentioned before.
In the previous episode, it'slike this adult Playland, you

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know, there's different themedays and everyone dresses up and
it's just incredible.
And for me, it was probably themost creative I've ever gotten
with my makeup and.
Face decor, I guess I'll callit.
because I used all thesedifferent jewels and these
temporary flash tattoos and thisglitter, and it was just

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layering on layering.
But I like, for the first time,I allowed myself to sit down in
front of the mirror and justlook at my face like a canvas of
what, what can I do with this?
What, you know, what does this?
character that I'm playingtonight.
What did they look like?
And it was so much fun andpeople loved it.

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They're like, oh my gosh, yourface is so cool to look at.
And it was like pure joy andgiving myself that gift of
creativity in that momentwhenever there's so much.
I mean, there's creativityeverywhere there.
The whole thing is built bycreative minds and musicians and
artists.
And just everyone that goes is acreative.

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I mean, I believe that everyoneis creative, but these people
really like to shine.
So it was really fun.
But yeah, thinking about thatand thinking about, if we don't
let this creativity out, whatdoes it turn into?

BatSheva (17:36):
That's amazing.
What was the group that you guysmet?
Like how did you direct thatmeeting that was about
creativity?
Like what did you guys do inyour conscious group?

Chelsea (17:47):
I think it was like, how do you express yourself
creatively?
has creativity been somethingthat has been encouraged
throughout your life andcultivated?
do you find it easy to becreative?
What's your go-to creativeprocess?
Do you.
encourage others to be creativeand it was really interesting to

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see a lot of the men in thegroup were just like, this was
not something that was given anyattention to.
Kind of back to like thesocietal norms.
If you're not good at it, thenmove on.
if you're not gonna be the bestartist in the class, then you,
you're not gonna be an artist.
Like, what are you doing?
And so it kind of reminds me ofthe phrase, the process is the

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point, and you're like.
Being creative, just to becreative, not to be the best.
I mean, you know, obviously wewant success on the podcast, but
the reason for me putting thisinformation out there for doing
this podcast is for me and forthose that it may help, that may
listen to an episode and getsomething out of it.

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Like that's what it's about forme.
And so of course I wanna see itbe successful and have lots of
followers and all that stuff.
And also I'm just enjoying doingit.

BatSheva (19:03):
Totally.
That's so interesting.
It's so true that it'screativity isn't even on the
radar for like so many peoplewho are just in different, I
think men and women.
But I think it is interesting inyour group it was mostly the
men, although I know for sure itwasn't your husband.
'cause he's super creative,right?

Chelsea (19:17):
Yes, but he actually shared because his older brother
is really, really creative.
I mean, he is, he's always likemade things and decorated for
parties and events and I mean,he is just, he's got an eye for
it Hunter had shared thatgrowing up, you know, kind of
like in his shadow that hewasn't as good as him.

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So he kind of disregarded thatand was just like, ah, I'll find
something else.
But now he's kind of come backto it and also like not
comparing himself to his brotherbecause there, and that's the
other thing too with creativity,is that we're all so unique and
different, and that's what makesdifferent artists.
Appealing is their uniqueness,like what makes their style

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theirs?
And recognizing that and justcelebrating that in yourself and
not looking to copy someoneelse.
There's that famous quote, it'slike, why be so and so they're
already taken?
Just be

BatSheva (20:17):
Hmm.
That so speaks to me as a child.
My older sister Tara, was aballet dancer, for years.
Took it very, very seriously.
And as a competitive middlechild, I did every single other
type of creative class.
Music.
Singing, acting, writing.
The only dance I would do wouldtap dance'cause it was so wildly

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far from ballet.
I was so competitive.
like just like you said withHunter, like that was her thing
and she was amazing at it and Iwasn't gonna be second best and
that's so sad now.
And actually as an adult, Ifinally started taking ballet
classes just to enjoy it, like,you know, as a sport

Chelsea (20:57):
Touching base on like the creativity, like it doesn't
have to be art or singing orpottery or.
You know, I mean, we weretalking about it because one of
the other people in the crew, heis like, you know, I, he has
like a daughter and a wife, andhe is like, yeah, they don't,
you know, they're not reallyinto it.
And, but it's like everyone'sinto something, like whether

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they're into makeup or whetherthey're into, you know,
beekeeping or gardening, likeeverything is You like you can
make anything creative.
It's like what is your, likewhat speaks to you though?
what are you drawn to?
What do you like?
Do you like being outside?
Do you like being inside?
Do you like working with yourhands?
Do you like working withdifferent materials?

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Do you like speaking?
Do you like performing?
do you like making things andgifting?
It's just so many different waysto do it.

BatSheva (21:48):
Cooking is another one.

Chelsea (21:50):
Oh yeah, that's actually something that people
talked about in the group.
'cause Hunter and I like toexplore, especially if we're
not, the thing is, is like notputting pressure on it.
If you put the pressure on itof.
like you're having to, like,you're making something for a
group and you're like worriedabout how it's gonna turn out.

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That for me, kind of like, takesa little bit of the fun out of
it because I like to just, youknow, do it and then try it and
see what it's like.

BatSheva (22:20):
Well, yeah, and for sure mothers too have that
problem.
I know like many mothers who aresuper creative when it comes to
food cooking and baking, butthey definitely burned that
candle at both ends, you know,just having to churn out food
day in, day out, like all the,plus all the cleaning and you
know, the pressure, like yousaid.
So it's true.
It is important for people toreconnect with their creativity,

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in the environment that allowsfor that self-expression and
without the pressure.
That's such a good point.
I really, by the way, love,love, love what you said that
Brene Brown shared, which I hadnever heard, that creativity, if
not expressed, manifests intosomething worse, something more
painful.
That's, I totally believe that.

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I hadn't heard it said that way,but yeah, that is my experience.
That's really powerful.

Chelsea (23:06):
And I think of it just like as energy also.
I mean, we are energetic beings.
It, it is not something woo woo.
There actually is so muchresearch.
Your heart has an electricalbeat that has it going.
So we are these energetic beingsand so energy is flowing through
us, and unless we're giving thatenergy out into something that

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we're choosing to be productivewith, then it's gonna be
expressed in some way.
energy is not created nordestroyed, it's just
transferred.

BatSheva (23:37):
And you know what else I was thinking to share?
And it's kind of like a little.
Not embarrassing, but I wannashare it because it's not easy
to share, which is that I hadthis realization even just
yesterday about performing andbeing creative on the scale that
I'm doing it right now.
Especially as a performer who isnot in her twenties or thirties

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or even forties anymore.
I have.
Over and over experienced thesebouts of self-doubt and
self-criticism regarding beingtoo old.
Or like, will I be judged for,my appearance or for just my age
in those realms of creating inpublic, in front of an audience.

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Once I change that, I have afeeling I'll be free, freer.
I won't care as much.
And luckily, I really don't careas much like I did in my
twenties when I really, andanyway, I was super young in my
twenties, you know, like theperfect ingenue age.
But no, in college I shut allthe way down because I was so
freaked out by anyone judging meor.

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You know, overly like thinkingthat I'm not good enough or
whatever.
So luckily I have had thepleasure of seeing that shed,
and that's what anyone who's notas old as I am or anyone who is
as old as I am knows the othersI'm saying, you can look forward
to.
The older you get it is a realthing.
You literally just like, it's somuch easier just to let that go.

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But I'm still, you know, I foundthis like little chunk of
judgment that I'm nourishing.
And I would like very much helpto let that go, let that go, let
that go because I believe that,I'll free myself in the process

Chelsea (25:23):
That's really vulnerable and beautiful.
So many times our society islike, oh, like they're older
people are like, not worthsomething, or they don't have
anything to contribute, or likethey're slow or whatever it is.
But it's like there's so muchmore, there's so much more
wisdom, there's so much moreexperience.

BatSheva (25:45):
We're such a visual culture, you know what I mean?
And like our.
Cultural standards of beauty arestill so youthful.
And I do believe that there'sdefinitely a movement to shift
and change that.
And I think bottom line, ittakes each one of us to do it
personally, right?
Like as well as shift thenarrative and be the role model
you want to see in the world.

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But I feel like this is alsogreat.
Preview because we did talkabout that we wanted to do an
episode on aging.
At least one.
I feel like, we could fillseveral episodes about it, but
I'm happy that it came up.

Chelsea (26:19):
Maybe that will be the next one.
Who knows?
So as of now, we encourage you,be creative, and do it just for
the sake of doing it, notbecause of the outcome, not
because of what you're gonnacome up with, not because of the
praise you're gonna receive.
But do it just for the joy ofsomething that you love to do.
And if you don't know what thatis, then maybe just take some

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time and think about like whatyou enjoyed whenever you were a
child.
Because a lot of the times thosethings.
Are still enjoyable for people.
People still find those thingslike, oh yeah, I did like to do
that.
Or something.
Maybe, maybe it was, playingwith Clay or something.
Play-Doh whenever you wereyounger and now maybe it's

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moving up to a different form ofthat,

BatSheva (27:05):
or Barbies

Chelsea (27:07):
or Barbies.

BatSheva (27:08):
dressing them up.

Chelsea (27:10):
Maybe you used to play with your Barbie's hair and now
you get like a mannequin and youstart braiding it and then you
can do your own hair.
Who knows?

BatSheva (27:18):
Be creative and allow yourself that leeway to be a
child as you create, becauseit's more fun and it'll feed
you.

Chelsea (27:27):
yeah, it reminds me too, of my mom.
She would always say the phrasethat like, my dad was a big kid,
and it's like.
Fuck yeah.
Be a big kid.
Always like enjoy life untilit's no more.
'cause tomorrow's neverpromised.
So live it up, have fun, smile,laugh, bring joy to others.

BatSheva (27:48):
Yes.

Chelsea (27:49):
play.

BatSheva (27:50):
Mm-hmm.

Chelsea (27:50):
Yeah.
All right.
Well, shall we wrap it up withour dubs?

BatSheva (27:55):
Let's do it.

Chelsea (27:55):
Okay, so let's see.
I will start win number one isthat, speaking of creativity, we
were watching a couple the last.
Couple nights, hunter had chosena movie that he wanted, but
they've been playing a littlelate.

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And so I, where I fell asleepwatching them and I was just
really bummed that I hadn't gotto see the ending.
And so the win is that lastnight I had some time and I
watched both of the endings ofthe two movies that I had missed
out and I'm really, I, it wasnice closure and I feel good

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about doing it and Wow.
Number one, or wow, the firstwow, wow.
For me today is that I am reallygrateful.
Oh my gosh.
We got snow this morning.
Snow again.
It's March 5th whenever we'rerecording this and we had just

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been in like 64 degree weatherand we woke up to snow this
morning and I'm grateful thatHunter got up and took Gypsy
outside because it was freezingcold and I do not like taking
her in the morning.
First thing I like, I like totake her at night before we go
to bed, but first thing in themorning.

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I'm so grateful that he iswilling and loves to do that.

BatSheva (29:20):
You know, it's funny, I have children and cats and of
course when the kids are young,there's like very little sleep
happening for years, which is afucking problem.
But once they get older, I.
I can sleep in.
I mean the sleep, you don't haveto wake up and walk anybody.
And my mother, my 80 somethingyear old mother was saying the
same thing.
Like she was exhausted comingback home from visiting me back

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east, but she could not allowherself to go to sleep'cause her
dogs needed to be walked late atnight in the cold.
And I was like, gosh, likethat's like it's, I had
forgotten that dog.
Parents like actually like youhave to get up at the crack of
dawn to walk them and it doesn'tmatter the weather.
And that's a thing.
So yeah, I get that.
think

Chelsea (29:59):
I think everyone has to pee as soon as they wake up.
Animals and humans.
Ins and yeah, you gotta get'emoutside.

BatSheva (30:07):
Oh my gosh, that totally makes sense.
Well, thank you for sharing.
I love that.
And I'm going to share my wish.
I think I decided to go aheadand wish, for what I mentioned
in this episode, which is I amwishing to really be changed
into a person, a version ofmyself that no longer even

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notices unless I'm celebratingsomebody's age, and instead I
just really receive them for whothey are and what they're
transmitting and what they'redoing, and especially
performers.
I found myself judging them.
or kind of like looking at froma beauty perspective.
And so I'm just wishing formyself to really shed and

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release that old programmingcompletely and instead look with
fresh eyes, loving eyes,appreciative eyes, happy and
grateful eyes at all thewonderful variations of women
who are out there performing inall stages of life.

Chelsea (31:10):
So heartfelt.
Yes.
Let's all love each other.
Love, love, love, radiate love.
Well, thank you for joining us.
Again, we'd love to connect withyou if you have a creative
outlet that you love orsomething that you're thinking
about diving back into.
We would love to hear about it,comment direct, message us,
shoot us an email, visit thesocial media platforms that we

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have.
And yeah,

BatSheva (31:37):
Subscribe and keep listening, and we hope your
world is brighter and brighterand brighter.
Thanks to the podcast and allthe things you're doing.

Chelsea (31:45):
Thank you.
We love you.