August 28, 2025 • 30 mins
The transition from college to adulthood has dramatically transformed over recent decades, with financial independence, full-time employment, and independent living occurring much later for today's graduates than their 1980s counterparts. Yet despite these shifting timelines, Sallie Mae's latest research reveals that higher education continues to deliver tremendous value for Gen Z.
According to Annat Shrabstein, Senior Director of Consumer Insights & Brand Strategy at Sallie Mae, their "How America Succeeds After College 2025" report uncovers interesting insights about what success truly means for recent graduates. Research reveals a significant shift in how Gen Z defines post-college success, balancing financial health, mental wellbeing, and career satisfaction in a world where traditional adulthood milestones are happening later than ever. The data challenges common assumptions about higher education's value while highlighting critical opportunities to better prepare students for life after graduation.
• Only 25% of 21-year-olds in 2021 were financially independent, compared to 42% in 1980
• 90% of recent graduates report positive college experiences, with 70% believing education was worth the cost
• 74% of grads who used student loans say they would have rather borrowed than not gone to college
• Students who use career services are significantly more likely to find jobs in their field
• 64% of graduates wish they had fully engaged in all their college had to offer
• Having a mentor is the attribute most strongly associated with post-college success
• Almost two-thirds of recent graduates are living with parents two years after college
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Dr. Lisa Hassler (00:00):
What does life really look like after college
for today's young adults, andhow far is it from what we had
imagined for them?
In a world where financialindependence, full-time work and
even moving out are happeninglater than ever, understanding
how Gen Z defines success is thefirst step in helping them
thrive.
(00:26):
Welcome to The Brighter Side ofEducation, Research, Innovation
and Resources.
I'm your host, Dr.
Lisa Hassler, here to enlightenand brighten the classrooms in
America through focusedconversation on important topics
in education.
In each episode, I discussproblems we as teachers and
parents are facing and whatpeople are doing in their
communities to fix it.
(00:46):
What are the variables and howcan we duplicate it to maximize
student outcomes?
Let's start today's episode byexamining a critical question
many families and educators areasking, "what happens after
college and how well are wepreparing our students for that
transition?
For years, the emphasis ineducation has been on getting to
college, but as more studentsgraduate into an uncertain
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economy and shifting workforce,it's essential to ask what comes
nextIn 2021, a Pew Research study
found that 61% of young adultsfelt that their college
education was very or somewhatuseful in preparing them for
their job or career, but nearly40% expressed concerns about
their readiness for the realworld, including financial
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independence and emotionalresilience
.
These concerns are grounded inmeasurable generational shifts.
A 2023 analysis of CensusBureau data by the Pew Research
Center revealed that today'syoung adults are less likely to
reach early adulthood milestonesthan their counterparts in 1980
.
Just 25% of 21-year-olds in2021 were financially
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independent, compared to 42% in1980.
Only 39% had full-time jobs,down from 64%, and significant
gaps remain in areas likeindependent living, marriage and
parenthood, even by the age of25.
Still, it's important to notethat these comparisons aren't
always apples to apples.
Life choices today are shapedby a complex mix of economic
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conditions, shifting societalnorms and evolving personal
priorities.
What's defined as success in1980 may not hold the same
relevance or feasibility for GenZ navigating today's realities.
That's where Sallie Mae newreport How America Succeeds
After College 2025, becomesessential.
It captures how recentgraduates are defining success
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on their own terms, what theywish they had done differently,
and what role educators andfamilies can play in helping
students transition moresmoothly into life after college
.
Today's conversation is aboutbridging that gap between a
rapidly changing world and thetools we give young people to
succeed in it.
To help us make sense of theshifting post-college landscape
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and what it means for students,families and educators.
I'm thrilled to welcome AnnatShrabstein to the podcast.
Annat is the Director ofConsumer Insights at Sallie Mae,
where she leads efforts tobetter understand how students
and families are experiencingthe journey through and beyond
higher education.
Their latest national reportHow America Succeeds After
College 2025, offers a timely,in-depth look at how the recent
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Gen Z graduates are navigatinglife after college, from their
evolving definitions of successto their financial and academic
decisions that shape theiroutcomes.
What's particularly compellingis how this research doesn't
just present the data.
It gives us actionable insightinto how we can better support
students before they even stepfoot on campus.
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Annat, thank you for being heretoday and for bringing such
valuable research to theconversation.
Annat Shrabstein (03:43):
Thank you so much.
I'm thrilled to be here withyou.
Dr. Lisa Hassler (03:46):
So we're going to start with the basics, the
foundation of Sallie Mae, andwhat it is that you do?
Annat Shrabstein (03:52):
Sure I'd love to share.
Sallie is an educationsolutions company and we provide
information, tools and productsthat help students and families
as they're navigating theirhigher education journey.
I've been with Sallie for about10 years now and for the last
five years I've led the ConsumerInsights team.
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I think my job and my team'srole is to make sure that the
consumer is at the table whenbusiness decisions are made,
Because really all we're tryingto do here is translate the
opportunities and needs thatexist on this higher education
journey and identify spots wherefamilies are really struggling
and encourage our organizationto create solutions for those
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challenges.
Dr. Lisa Hassler (04:37):
You've been doing research in higher
education for quite some time,so what kind of things drive
that commitment and how doesthat shape your work?
Annat Shrabstein (04:46):
Sallie Mae has published research for about 20
years, but research is reallycentral to delivering on our
mission of powering confidence.
It really helps us build anunderstanding of the journey and
Understanding of what familiesand students are working through
and dealing with as they planfor and pay and succeed with
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higher education.
And those insights really helpshape our strategy, inform
product design and define thekinds of experiences that
families are really looking forto help them make informed
decisions confidently.
Dr. Lisa Hassler (05:23):
Your latest report was the how America
Succeeds After College 2025.
What are some major takeawaysand were there any surprises?
Annat Shrabstein (05:31):
Yes, we published how America Succeeds
After College this past May, andthis was a brand new study for
us.
It's complemented otherresearch that we've published,
like How America Pays forCollege, How America Completes
College, but this in particularis a research that looks at how
college graduates are doing.
The study had three mainobjectives.
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One was to figure out whatsuccess means today for recent
grads, who most of whom are GenZ essentially, what is success
for Gen Z?
Two is to figure out howthey're doing against that
definition and also askquestions about areas of life
that we hypothesized would beconnected to their definition of
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success.
And the third objective was toidentify behaviors and traits
and attitudes that separategrads who feel very successful
after college from those thatdon't.
And so the study is rich withinsights and learnings and I
encourage everybody to read thereport on Sallie slash leading
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research.
But to me there's really twomain themes that are prominent
in the research.
One is around value ofeducation.
Clearly, higher educationcontinues to deliver for recent
grads and I know there arequestions about what higher
education means, some questionswhether we trust in higher
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education or other institutionsin the United States, but our
research shows that it reallycontinues to deliver, and it
shows up in the data in a coupleof different ways.
The first is that nine out of10 recent grads between 2019 and
2024 feel they had a positivecollege experience, and that's,
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I think, is a great outcome aswe think about what the college
experience really means.
And for seven and 10, they saidit was worth the cost, so the
value that they derived fromtheir education was worth the
cost that they paid.
And, more interestingly, 74% ofrecent grads who borrowed which
represented about half of allof the recent grads that we
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surveyed said that they wouldrather have borrowed than
skipped college.
So this, to me, is anotherindicator of the value that they
draw from this experience andreally it's paying off in career
opportunities.
More and more students arepursuing higher education, not
for the sake of getting intocollege, but really for college
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can get for them.
They view it as an investmentin their future and as a way to
open up opportunities thatwouldn't be available otherwise,
and so we see that play out.
82% of recent grads said they'reemployed and vast majority 74%
were actually employed in afield related to their studies.
About as many said thateducation contributes to their
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work success.
And, speaking of success.
The majority of recent gradsactually feel successful.
Just 14% told us that they donot.
So the theme here is thathigher education delivers.
That's theme number one.
The second theme that is reallypersistent is about proactive
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planning, because it connects tofeeling successful
post-graduation.
And when we say planning, wemean planning for the college
admissions process, having thoseconversations with your family,
planning for the financialaspects of college so looking at
the cost of all four years ofeducation and making a plan for
how the student or the familywill cover those costs and also
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being proactive about planningfor the future once you are in
college.
So figuring out what is it thatI want to do and taking active
steps to utilize careerresources, to get internships,
to start building your resumeahead of leaving college
Dr. Lisa Hassler (09:20):
Were there any surprises with it?
Annat Shrabstein (09:22):
Well, many surprises, but the one that I'll
highlight is around careerresources.
The research showed that itreally can be a game changer,
but not many students utilizethis resource when they're on
campus.
We found that 37% of recentgrads said that they did rely on
career services on campus, 50%said that they did not, and the
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remaining group just didn't evenknow if their college offered
something like this.
And we see a very clearconnection between utilizing
career services and securing afirst job in a field that's
related to your degree isconnected to success.
Recent grads who are employedin a field that's related to
their studies feel significantlymore successful than those who
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do not, and grads who utilizedcareer resources are
significantly more likely tosecure their first job in their
field than those who don't usethose resources.
Dr. Lisa Hassler (10:16):
So we often picture success after college as
getting a good job, moving outof the basement at home or you
know out of your bedroom whenyou were a kid, maybe even
starting a family, but is thatstill what success looks like
today for these Gen Z students?
Annat Shrabstein (10:34):
Almost
Dr. Lisa Hassler (10:34):
.
Annat Shrabstein (10:34):
This was one of the more critical objectives
for the studies defining successfor Gen Z for recent grads, and
so we asked about this in twodifferent ways in the research.
One was just an open-endedquestion.
We said what is success at thisstage of your life?
And we asked a follow-upquestion where we presented a
list of attributes and eachrespondent had to select as many
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as three from this list thatthey associate most with success
.
The results were veryconsistent, and the major theme
is that Gen Z views success in amore holistic way than
generations prior, and what Imean by that is it's not just
about money, it's not just aboutcareer, it's also about this
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idea of well-being and mentalhealth.
So the top three factors thatrecent grads associate with
success is financial health,mental health and career
prospects, and I think it trackswith the recent importance and
rise of mental healthconversations, and this just
solidifies the importance ofviewings and supporting students
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in a holistic way.
It's not just about academics,it's not just about setting them
up for the best job, but italso is about helping them
imagine the kind of life thatthey would like to have, and
this life inevitably includesfinancial stability, a job that
they enjoy doing, not just thatpays well, enabling them to do
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meaningful work, and an idea ofa balance.
We have great quotes in thereport that really talk about
striking this balance.
I am a little older than Gen Z,you could say, and I remember
very clearly how, after I leftcollege in early 2000s, it was
really cool to work for aconsulting company and work like
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80 hours a week, and I did that, and I remember talking to my
friends and bragging about that.
Right, this is not what younggraduates want today.
This burnout, all of that isout, and so that is really a
meaningful finding.
As we think about how tosupport students coming out of
college and as employers, thatis something that we should
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think about as well when we setexpectations and hire,
Dr. Lisa Hassler (13:01):
able to count how many hours I had on my two
hands and I just was exhausted,right.
But I was a mother and I hadlittle kids and I was traveling
an hour and a half to work everyday and it was just a lot on me
, a lot on everybody, let's faceit.
And so I could see wherestriking that balance, not
having to like oh, I've beenworking so many hours, it's kind
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of refreshing, honestly, and soit's kind of like, oh, that's
nice, I hope they get it.
Annat Shrabstein (13:26):
Yeah, I think we all want that.
I don't think anybody likes towork 80 hours a week.
Dr. Lisa Hassler (13:30):
That is very true, right?
You know you can start it whenyou're, like you know, starting
to climb the ladder and it'sjust you.
But after a while you're likeI'm kind of done with it.
Yeah, so the research showsthat many graduates or I wish I
would have known moments whatwere some of the most common
things that they said they wishthey would have done differently
to feel more prepared for lifeafter college?
Annat Shrabstein (13:50):
This was actually another area where I
thought the results would lookdifferent.
There is definitely an elementof hindsight.
What we found is that 64% ofrecent grads wish that they had
fully engaged in all of theircollege experience, in all that
their school had to offer, andthat was the largest category of
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regrets.
And so what that includes isabout a third wishing they had
spent more time buildingrelationships, 33% regretting
not joining more activities,almost three in 10 wishing they
used campus resources to preparefor that life after college,
and about a quarter wishing thatthey had invested more time in
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studying.
Very few people wish theysocialized less.
Let me tell you that.
So nearly two-thirds ofstudents wish that they just
partook more on all of whattheir school had to offer, which
I thought was really surprising, I guess, until I thought what
do I regret about my collegeexperience?
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And I had a great one, except Inever lived on campus, and it
would certainly fit square inthis category of oh, I wish I
took full advantage of thatcollege experience.
After this category, the largestitem on the list, named by
about a quarter, by 24%, wasrecent grads wishing that they
had spent more time researchingand applying for scholarships
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and grants.
So paying for college regretsis not the first category, is
not the largest category by far,and really looking for
scholarships and looking forfree money is an ever-present
theme that we see in both HowAmerica Pays for College
research and conversations withfamilies, and in this research
as well.
(15:38):
What I think this means rightis families are just figuring
out how to make college moreaffordable.
Right, and surfacing thoseopportunities is really
important, yeah.
But I think what students andfamilies can take away from the
hindsight of recent grads isreally the importance of fully
understanding and using the widerange of resources that may be
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available to them and make themost out of their time in school
and increase even further theperception of that return on
investment too, while alsohelping them get ready for a
career after school andsucceeding while in school.
Dr. Lisa Hassler (16:15):
You know, when you're a kid and you're
thinking I'm just, I want topick out the college, or, you
know, getting through highschool, thinking about
scholarships maybe more of anadult minded thing, you know,
because they're not reallypaying for anything on their own
at that age it makes you thinkabout the parent side of this,
to find sites that connect theirchild to those scholarships and
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then encouraging them to dothis.
Our local high school has areally great scholarship lab set
up with people that really helpstudents be able to find the
different scholarships and applyfor them.
They do a really good job withthat, but it is just one in the
district.
That becomes a little bit morechallenging for people who are
not on that campus.
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But you guys do some of thatright?
Annat Shrabstein (17:00):
We do.
We have a scholarship searchtool on Sallie which is called
Scholly Scholarships and it's agreat free resource that doesn't
have any paywalls, doesn't askyou to log in or create an
account or anything like that,and it has thousands of
well-vetted scholarships thatfamilies can filter through.
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So you can say, hey, I live inthis state and I want to major
in engineering, and the toolwill show you scholarships that
you are most likely to qualifyfor.
Dr. Lisa Hassler (17:31):
There's some very unique ones out there.
How do you find those odd,unique ones?
I mean obviously not the rightword, but it's not something you
would normally just think of.
Like you know, you're thinkingof all of your accomplishments,
but sometimes it's somethinglike I'm left-handed, I get a
left-handed scholarship, or Ihave a problem with hearing.
You know what I mean, and sothere's something for that, and
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so sometimes they're really kindof out of the box.
Are there any sort of filtersthat help students or families
be able to find those kinds ofniches?
Annat Shrabstein (18:01):
That is a great question, and you're
definitely onto something,because in our How America Pays
for College research, we findthat about half of the families
think that scholarships are onlyfor exceptional students and
exceptional athletes, when thereality is that there's millions
of dollars of scholarships forpretty much anything from being
tall to being left-handed, tosomething maybe less esoteric,
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and they're all in our databaseof scholarships.
I don't know if I can answer ifthere are specific folders that
will help you right, becauseit's very personalized, it's
very individual to who you are.
And one other thing that I wantto mention is that scholarships
are not just for high schoolseniors.
About a third of familiesbelieve that you only apply for
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scholarships when you are anincoming freshman, which is
entirely inaccurate.
Families should look forscholarships every year while
they're in school.
There's hundreds or maybe eventhousands of scholarships that
anyone can apply for, as long asthey're enrolled in college.
Dr. Lisa Hassler (19:02):
Yeah, I was able to get one when I was doing
my doctorate, but really it'shard to figure out, like how do
I find it?
What's vetted?
What can I trust to give myinformation?
And to spend the time doing therequirements, because they're
very to give my information andto spend the time doing the
requirements Because they'revery different what you need to
provide, but I think it'sexciting in that it's in one
place.
Do you have any idea how manyscholarships?
Annat Shrabstein (19:21):
There are 4,564 scholarships.
Dr. Lisa Hassler (19:27):
Wow, there's a lot of people out there wanting
to help people out, a lot ofencouragement going out there to
say let's get an educationright, we're going to help you.
So what kind of steps do yourecommend students take for the
best post-college success?
Annat Shrabstein (19:40):
That's a really big question, so I'll try
to answer it concisely.
Okay, looking across all of theresearch that we conduct and
all of the experience thatSallie has helping students over
the years, there's five thingsthat we have identified that
really can help set a student upfor success after graduation,
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which is really what we want,right?
It's not about just gettinginto college, not just getting
to graduation, but realizing thefruits of your labor afterwards
.
So the first is start withoutcomes, right?
So we talked about collegechoices, school decisions, as
being really hard decisions, butwhat we know is fewer than four
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in 10 families are actuallyresearching outcomes of that
education or for a specificschool, and what I mean is job
placement rates, graduationrates, potential earning in the
field that you are interested in, because the math has to work
right.
So what you're paying forschool has to give you something
that's more than that, and sowe would encourage families to
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focus on those outcomes.
The second item is talkingabout finances as early and
often as possible, so that youcan get the best deal for you.
Why pay more for education thanyou have to?
And part of this equation isfiguring out what school will
cost over all of the years ofeducation, and that's not always
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easy, but we know that familiesare really zeroed in on what's
right in front of us, which ismaybe one semester, one year.
We highly encourage folks toconsider hey, you'll be in
school for at least four years,so consider that budget,
understanding what you canafford, which, again, these
things are not very easy to do,but we provide information about
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how to go about that and we'replanning to do even more of that
to help families getting thebest deal for you, which also
includes looking for thosescholarships, applying for
financial aid and borrowing onlywhat you need right, Cutting as
much cost as possible tominimize borrowing.
So start with outcomes in mind.
Talk about finances to get thebest deal.
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Mind, talk about finances toget the best deal.
The third piece is going back tothe hindsight.
That we discussed is justengaging in all that school has
to offer.
I talked to one researchparticipant and she was like
everybody's telling me to thinkabout the future and think ahead
and think about success.
But I'm in college now, likethis is my life now, so I need
to really lean into this, whichis absolutely right, right.
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So when you're in school, thinkabout what resources are
available.
Build relationships, find amentor.
Our research actually foundthat having a mentor is the most
highly associated attributewith success after graduation.
Building those relationshipsand finding your champions,
finding people who can help youplan out your life, who can help
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you think and make plans, isreally important.
Start with outcomes in mind,talk about finances early and
often to get the best deal andengage in all that school has to
offer.
Two more left.
The fourth one is like finishwhat you started.
This is super obvious for many,many people.
This is super obvious for many,many people.
But what's not obvious is thatalmost four in 10 students who
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start college do not graduate insix years.
There's life changes.
Finances stand in the way,motivation changes.
Mental health is one of thereasons.
But when you are on that roadlike, do everything that you can
to finish, education pays offonly when you get it.
And then finally back toplanning.
You got to build and execute alaunch plan, and so this goes
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back to get the internshipreally commit to a career that
you want to pursue and startbuilding your resume while
you're still in school.
The other piece of that isfinancial habits.
Most grads who feel verysuccessful say that they have
learned how to manage moneybefore they left college, and so
that's actually another topicfor conversation around parental
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support and school support aswell, around how do we work with
students to get them ready formanaging money right, because
those, once you're out of school, many, many folks move back
with parents, which I think issort of the reality of today.
Almost two thirds of gradswithin the past two years
actually living with parents twothirds right.
So that's much more than itused to be, but managing
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finances is a reality that allof them will have to face when
they're out of school.
So start with outcomes, Talkabout finances to get the best
deal for you, Don't pay morethan you have to, Engage in all
of the school has to offer,Finish what you started, and
build and execute that launchplan.
That's the advice that all ofour research and all of our
experience would suggest that wegive to every student who wants
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to succeed with highereducation.
Dr. Lisa Hassler (24:29):
So your report paints a clear picture of how
today's young adults areexperiencing life after college.
What can educators and schoolcounselors, even college
advisors, do differently to helpstudents prepare not just for
college but for the realitiesthey'll face after graduation?
Annat Shrabstein (24:46):
I think there is a couple of pieces that
connect the themes that we havediscussed.
The first is based on thedefinition of success for this
new generation, and that goesback to supporting the whole
student, and helping studentsplan for the life that they have
ahead of them is, I think,critical.
The other piece of this isfinancial awareness.
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Making sure that our studentshave the skills and knowledge
that they need to manage moneybefore they need to start doing
that independently is reallyimportant.
Development and post-collegesuccess that helps students
transition from college life toafter college life, I think, is
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something that would be helpfulfor students.
And I thought of a fourth thing, I think for students
themselves, there's somethingabout actively managing your
life.
So actively managing yourfinances, actively managing your
career and continuing to growas an individual, engaging in
continuous learning.
That, just you know, makes youan interesting human being and,
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I think, sets you up for abetter life.
Dr. Lisa Hassler (26:00):
So where can listeners access Sallie Mae
research and planning tools tohelp start their plan for
college?
Annat Shrabstein (26:08):
So our college planning tools, the Scholly
Scholarship Search and ScoutCollege Search, are on Sallie.
Those are resources forfamilies who are starting their
college journey but also who arealready paying for school.
Our financial products are onSallie and that's where our
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research lives as well, underleading research.
Your listeners can find thewealth of our published research
there.
We have a step-by-step FAFSAguide, the gatekeeper for
federal financial aid, bothgrants and loans and many
colleges use the FAFSA todetermine scholarships, amounts,
need-based and sometimes evenmerit, and so we provide a
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step-by-step guide that manyfamilies use as they are filling
out the FAFSA.
Dr. Lisa Hassler (26:58):
And then this is where grants would come in.
Annat Shrabstein (27:01):
That's exactly right.
Dr. Lisa Hassler (27:02):
And then how do you fill the gap between
grants and scholarships?
We had the federal government,and now there's a lot of
uneasiness about how that wholething is going.
But that's not their onlyoption.
Families can go to other placesfor loans as well.
Annat Shrabstein (27:19):
That's exactly right, and Sallie Mae is one of
the largest providers ofprivate student loans, which
should be used exactly as youmentioned.
Right so, first free money,right so, scholarships and
grants, then federal aid andthen, if there's still a gap
that remains between that whatthe family can afford and what
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the bill is we're here withprivate student loans as well.
Dr. Lisa Hassler (27:43):
Yeah, and it's good for them to be able to
know that there's options forthat.
It's not just like one placethat they have to go, but to
really be considering theiroptions and what fits for their
family best.
That's exactly right, so it'sgood to know that there's those
kind of resources out there.
So I really appreciate all ofthe insights that you shared and
for helping us betterunderstand what success looks
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like for today's graduates.
Your research is not only afresh perspective, but also a
clear practical guide forfamilies and educators trying to
support students in meaningful,future-focused ways.
Annat Shrabstein (28:18):
I'm thrilled to have been part of this, and I
do hope that your listenerstake a moment to check out our
resources and our research.
College planning can beincredibly overwhelming, and so
using resources such as the onesthat we've discussed available
on Sallie can really helpfamilies through this journey
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and navigate that withconfidence.
Dr. Lisa Hassler (28:43):
Well, thank you so much.
Annat Shrabstein (28:44):
Thank you
Dr. Lisa Hassler (28:44):
If today's conversation resonated with you.
I encourage you to explore theHow America Succeeds After
College 2025 report and theplanning resources offered by
Sallie Mae.
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be able to guide the nextgeneration through a changing
educational landscape.
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So let's keep working togetherto find solutions that focus on
our children's success.
What does life really look like after college
for today's young adults, andhow far is it from what we had
imagined for them?
In a world where financialindependence, full-time work and
even moving out are happeninglater than ever, understanding
how Gen Z defines success is thefirst step in helping them
thrive.
(00:26):
Welcome to The Brighter Side ofEducation, Research, Innovation
and Resources.
I'm your host, Dr.
Lisa Hassler, here to enlightenand brighten the classrooms in
America through focusedconversation on important topics
in education.
In each episode, I discussproblems we as teachers and
parents are facing and whatpeople are doing in their
communities to fix it.
(00:46):
What are the variables and howcan we duplicate it to maximize
student outcomes?
Let's start today's episode byexamining a critical question
many families and educators areasking, "what happens after
college and how well are wepreparing our students for that
transition?
For years, the emphasis ineducation has been on getting to
college, but as more studentsgraduate into an uncertain
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economy and shifting workforce,it's essential to ask what comes
nextIn 2021, a Pew Research study
found that 61% of young adultsfelt that their college
education was very or somewhatuseful in preparing them for
their job or career, but nearly40% expressed concerns about
their readiness for the realworld, including financial
(01:28):
independence and emotionalresilience
.
These concerns are grounded inmeasurable generational shifts.
A 2023 analysis of CensusBureau data by the Pew Research
Center revealed that today'syoung adults are less likely to
reach early adulthood milestonesthan their counterparts in 1980
.
Just 25% of 21-year-olds in2021 were financially
(01:48):
independent, compared to 42% in1980.
Only 39% had full-time jobs,down from 64%, and significant
gaps remain in areas likeindependent living, marriage and
parenthood, even by the age of25.
Still, it's important to notethat these comparisons aren't
always apples to apples.
Life choices today are shapedby a complex mix of economic
(02:10):
conditions, shifting societalnorms and evolving personal
priorities.
What's defined as success in1980 may not hold the same
relevance or feasibility for GenZ navigating today's realities.
That's where Sallie Mae newreport How America Succeeds
After College 2025, becomesessential.
It captures how recentgraduates are defining success
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on their own terms, what theywish they had done differently,
and what role educators andfamilies can play in helping
students transition moresmoothly into life after college
.
Today's conversation is aboutbridging that gap between a
rapidly changing world and thetools we give young people to
succeed in it.
To help us make sense of theshifting post-college landscape
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and what it means for students,families and educators.
I'm thrilled to welcome AnnatShrabstein to the podcast.
Annat is the Director ofConsumer Insights at Sallie Mae,
where she leads efforts tobetter understand how students
and families are experiencingthe journey through and beyond
higher education.
Their latest national reportHow America Succeeds After
College 2025, offers a timely,in-depth look at how the recent
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Gen Z graduates are navigatinglife after college, from their
evolving definitions of successto their financial and academic
decisions that shape theiroutcomes.
What's particularly compellingis how this research doesn't
just present the data.
It gives us actionable insightinto how we can better support
students before they even stepfoot on campus.
(03:39):
Annat, thank you for being heretoday and for bringing such
valuable research to theconversation.
Annat Shrabstein (03:43):
Thank you so much.
I'm thrilled to be here withyou.
Dr. Lisa Hassler (03:46):
So we're going to start with the basics, the
foundation of Sallie Mae, andwhat it is that you do?
Annat Shrabstein (03:52):
Sure I'd love to share.
Sallie is an educationsolutions company and we provide
information, tools and productsthat help students and families
as they're navigating theirhigher education journey.
I've been with Sallie for about10 years now and for the last
five years I've led the ConsumerInsights team.
(04:13):
I think my job and my team'srole is to make sure that the
consumer is at the table whenbusiness decisions are made,
Because really all we're tryingto do here is translate the
opportunities and needs thatexist on this higher education
journey and identify spots wherefamilies are really struggling
and encourage our organizationto create solutions for those
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challenges.
Dr. Lisa Hassler (04:37):
You've been doing research in higher
education for quite some time,so what kind of things drive
that commitment and how doesthat shape your work?
Annat Shrabstein (04:46):
Sallie Mae has published research for about 20
years, but research is reallycentral to delivering on our
mission of powering confidence.
It really helps us build anunderstanding of the journey and
Understanding of what familiesand students are working through
and dealing with as they planfor and pay and succeed with
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higher education.
And those insights really helpshape our strategy, inform
product design and define thekinds of experiences that
families are really looking forto help them make informed
decisions confidently.
Dr. Lisa Hassler (05:23):
Your latest report was the how America
Succeeds After College 2025.
What are some major takeawaysand were there any surprises?
Annat Shrabstein (05:31):
Yes, we published how America Succeeds
After College this past May, andthis was a brand new study for
us.
It's complemented otherresearch that we've published,
like How America Pays forCollege, How America Completes
College, but this in particularis a research that looks at how
college graduates are doing.
The study had three mainobjectives.
(05:52):
One was to figure out whatsuccess means today for recent
grads, who most of whom are GenZ essentially, what is success
for Gen Z?
Two is to figure out howthey're doing against that
definition and also askquestions about areas of life
that we hypothesized would beconnected to their definition of
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success.
And the third objective was toidentify behaviors and traits
and attitudes that separategrads who feel very successful
after college from those thatdon't.
And so the study is rich withinsights and learnings and I
encourage everybody to read thereport on Sallie slash leading
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research.
But to me there's really twomain themes that are prominent
in the research.
One is around value ofeducation.
Clearly, higher educationcontinues to deliver for recent
grads and I know there arequestions about what higher
education means, some questionswhether we trust in higher
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education or other institutionsin the United States, but our
research shows that it reallycontinues to deliver, and it
shows up in the data in a coupleof different ways.
The first is that nine out of10 recent grads between 2019 and
2024 feel they had a positivecollege experience, and that's,
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I think, is a great outcome aswe think about what the college
experience really means.
And for seven and 10, they saidit was worth the cost, so the
value that they derived fromtheir education was worth the
cost that they paid.
And, more interestingly, 74% ofrecent grads who borrowed which
represented about half of allof the recent grads that we
(07:39):
surveyed said that they wouldrather have borrowed than
skipped college.
So this, to me, is anotherindicator of the value that they
draw from this experience andreally it's paying off in career
opportunities.
More and more students arepursuing higher education, not
for the sake of getting intocollege, but really for college
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can get for them.
They view it as an investmentin their future and as a way to
open up opportunities thatwouldn't be available otherwise,
and so we see that play out.
82% of recent grads said they'reemployed and vast majority 74%
were actually employed in afield related to their studies.
About as many said thateducation contributes to their
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work success.
And, speaking of success.
The majority of recent gradsactually feel successful.
Just 14% told us that they donot.
So the theme here is thathigher education delivers.
That's theme number one.
The second theme that is reallypersistent is about proactive
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planning, because it connects tofeeling successful
post-graduation.
And when we say planning, wemean planning for the college
admissions process, having thoseconversations with your family,
planning for the financialaspects of college so looking at
the cost of all four years ofeducation and making a plan for
how the student or the familywill cover those costs and also
(09:05):
being proactive about planningfor the future once you are in
college.
So figuring out what is it thatI want to do and taking active
steps to utilize careerresources, to get internships,
to start building your resumeahead of leaving college
Dr. Lisa Hassler (09:20):
Were there any surprises with it?
Annat Shrabstein (09:22):
Well, many surprises, but the one that I'll
highlight is around careerresources.
The research showed that itreally can be a game changer,
but not many students utilizethis resource when they're on
campus.
We found that 37% of recentgrads said that they did rely on
career services on campus, 50%said that they did not, and the
(09:42):
remaining group just didn't evenknow if their college offered
something like this.
And we see a very clearconnection between utilizing
career services and securing afirst job in a field that's
related to your degree isconnected to success.
Recent grads who are employedin a field that's related to
their studies feel significantlymore successful than those who
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do not, and grads who utilizedcareer resources are
significantly more likely tosecure their first job in their
field than those who don't usethose resources.
Dr. Lisa Hassler (10:16):
So we often picture success after college as
getting a good job, moving outof the basement at home or you
know out of your bedroom whenyou were a kid, maybe even
starting a family, but is thatstill what success looks like
today for these Gen Z students?
Annat Shrabstein (10:34):
Almost
Dr. Lisa Hassler (10:34):
.
Annat Shrabstein (10:34):
This was one of the more critical objectives
for the studies defining successfor Gen Z for recent grads, and
so we asked about this in twodifferent ways in the research.
One was just an open-endedquestion.
We said what is success at thisstage of your life?
And we asked a follow-upquestion where we presented a
list of attributes and eachrespondent had to select as many
(10:56):
as three from this list thatthey associate most with success
.
The results were veryconsistent, and the major theme
is that Gen Z views success in amore holistic way than
generations prior, and what Imean by that is it's not just
about money, it's not just aboutcareer, it's also about this
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idea of well-being and mentalhealth.
So the top three factors thatrecent grads associate with
success is financial health,mental health and career
prospects, and I think it trackswith the recent importance and
rise of mental healthconversations, and this just
solidifies the importance ofviewings and supporting students
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in a holistic way.
It's not just about academics,it's not just about setting them
up for the best job, but italso is about helping them
imagine the kind of life thatthey would like to have, and
this life inevitably includesfinancial stability, a job that
they enjoy doing, not just thatpays well, enabling them to do
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meaningful work, and an idea ofa balance.
We have great quotes in thereport that really talk about
striking this balance.
I am a little older than Gen Z,you could say, and I remember
very clearly how, after I leftcollege in early 2000s, it was
really cool to work for aconsulting company and work like
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80 hours a week, and I did that, and I remember talking to my
friends and bragging about that.
Right, this is not what younggraduates want today.
This burnout, all of that isout, and so that is really a
meaningful finding.
As we think about how tosupport students coming out of
college and as employers, thatis something that we should
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think about as well when we setexpectations and hire,
Dr. Lisa Hassler (13:01):
able to count how many hours I had on my two
hands and I just was exhausted,right.
But I was a mother and I hadlittle kids and I was traveling
an hour and a half to work everyday and it was just a lot on me
, a lot on everybody, let's faceit.
And so I could see wherestriking that balance, not
having to like oh, I've beenworking so many hours, it's kind
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of refreshing, honestly, and soit's kind of like, oh, that's
nice, I hope they get it.
Annat Shrabstein (13:26):
Yeah, I think we all want that.
I don't think anybody likes towork 80 hours a week.
Dr. Lisa Hassler (13:30):
That is very true, right?
You know you can start it whenyou're, like you know, starting
to climb the ladder and it'sjust you.
But after a while you're likeI'm kind of done with it.
Yeah, so the research showsthat many graduates or I wish I
would have known moments whatwere some of the most common
things that they said they wishthey would have done differently
to feel more prepared for lifeafter college?
Annat Shrabstein (13:50):
This was actually another area where I
thought the results would lookdifferent.
There is definitely an elementof hindsight.
What we found is that 64% ofrecent grads wish that they had
fully engaged in all of theircollege experience, in all that
their school had to offer, andthat was the largest category of
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regrets.
And so what that includes isabout a third wishing they had
spent more time buildingrelationships, 33% regretting
not joining more activities,almost three in 10 wishing they
used campus resources to preparefor that life after college,
and about a quarter wishing thatthey had invested more time in
(14:33):
studying.
Very few people wish theysocialized less.
Let me tell you that.
So nearly two-thirds ofstudents wish that they just
partook more on all of whattheir school had to offer, which
I thought was really surprising, I guess, until I thought what
do I regret about my collegeexperience?
(14:55):
And I had a great one, except Inever lived on campus, and it
would certainly fit square inthis category of oh, I wish I
took full advantage of thatcollege experience.
After this category, the largestitem on the list, named by
about a quarter, by 24%, wasrecent grads wishing that they
had spent more time researchingand applying for scholarships
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and grants.
So paying for college regretsis not the first category, is
not the largest category by far,and really looking for
scholarships and looking forfree money is an ever-present
theme that we see in both HowAmerica Pays for College
research and conversations withfamilies, and in this research
as well.
(15:38):
What I think this means rightis families are just figuring
out how to make college moreaffordable.
Right, and surfacing thoseopportunities is really
important, yeah.
But I think what students andfamilies can take away from the
hindsight of recent grads isreally the importance of fully
understanding and using the widerange of resources that may be
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available to them and make themost out of their time in school
and increase even further theperception of that return on
investment too, while alsohelping them get ready for a
career after school andsucceeding while in school.
Dr. Lisa Hassler (16:15):
You know, when you're a kid and you're
thinking I'm just, I want topick out the college, or, you
know, getting through highschool, thinking about
scholarships maybe more of anadult minded thing, you know,
because they're not reallypaying for anything on their own
at that age it makes you thinkabout the parent side of this,
to find sites that connect theirchild to those scholarships and
(16:37):
then encouraging them to dothis.
Our local high school has areally great scholarship lab set
up with people that really helpstudents be able to find the
different scholarships and applyfor them.
They do a really good job withthat, but it is just one in the
district.
That becomes a little bit morechallenging for people who are
not on that campus.
(16:58):
But you guys do some of thatright?
Annat Shrabstein (17:00):
We do.
We have a scholarship searchtool on Sallie which is called
Scholly Scholarships and it's agreat free resource that doesn't
have any paywalls, doesn't askyou to log in or create an
account or anything like that,and it has thousands of
well-vetted scholarships thatfamilies can filter through.
(17:21):
So you can say, hey, I live inthis state and I want to major
in engineering, and the toolwill show you scholarships that
you are most likely to qualifyfor.
Dr. Lisa Hassler (17:31):
There's some very unique ones out there.
How do you find those odd,unique ones?
I mean obviously not the rightword, but it's not something you
would normally just think of.
Like you know, you're thinkingof all of your accomplishments,
but sometimes it's somethinglike I'm left-handed, I get a
left-handed scholarship, or Ihave a problem with hearing.
You know what I mean, and sothere's something for that, and
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so sometimes they're really kindof out of the box.
Are there any sort of filtersthat help students or families
be able to find those kinds ofniches?
Annat Shrabstein (18:01):
That is a great question, and you're
definitely onto something,because in our How America Pays
for College research, we findthat about half of the families
think that scholarships are onlyfor exceptional students and
exceptional athletes, when thereality is that there's millions
of dollars of scholarships forpretty much anything from being
tall to being left-handed, tosomething maybe less esoteric,
(18:24):
and they're all in our databaseof scholarships.
I don't know if I can answer ifthere are specific folders that
will help you right, becauseit's very personalized, it's
very individual to who you are.
And one other thing that I wantto mention is that scholarships
are not just for high schoolseniors.
About a third of familiesbelieve that you only apply for
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scholarships when you are anincoming freshman, which is
entirely inaccurate.
Families should look forscholarships every year while
they're in school.
There's hundreds or maybe eventhousands of scholarships that
anyone can apply for, as long asthey're enrolled in college.
Dr. Lisa Hassler (19:02):
Yeah, I was able to get one when I was doing
my doctorate, but really it'shard to figure out, like how do
I find it?
What's vetted?
What can I trust to give myinformation?
And to spend the time doing therequirements, because they're
very to give my information andto spend the time doing the
requirements Because they'revery different what you need to
provide, but I think it'sexciting in that it's in one
place.
Do you have any idea how manyscholarships?
Annat Shrabstein (19:21):
There are 4,564 scholarships.
Dr. Lisa Hassler (19:27):
Wow, there's a lot of people out there wanting
to help people out, a lot ofencouragement going out there to
say let's get an educationright, we're going to help you.
So what kind of steps do yourecommend students take for the
best post-college success?
Annat Shrabstein (19:40):
That's a really big question, so I'll try
to answer it concisely.
Okay, looking across all of theresearch that we conduct and
all of the experience thatSallie has helping students over
the years, there's five thingsthat we have identified that
really can help set a student upfor success after graduation,
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which is really what we want,right?
It's not about just gettinginto college, not just getting
to graduation, but realizing thefruits of your labor afterwards
.
So the first is start withoutcomes, right?
So we talked about collegechoices, school decisions, as
being really hard decisions, butwhat we know is fewer than four
(20:21):
in 10 families are actuallyresearching outcomes of that
education or for a specificschool, and what I mean is job
placement rates, graduationrates, potential earning in the
field that you are interested in, because the math has to work
right.
So what you're paying forschool has to give you something
that's more than that, and sowe would encourage families to
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focus on those outcomes.
The second item is talkingabout finances as early and
often as possible, so that youcan get the best deal for you.
Why pay more for education thanyou have to?
And part of this equation isfiguring out what school will
cost over all of the years ofeducation, and that's not always
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easy, but we know that familiesare really zeroed in on what's
right in front of us, which ismaybe one semester, one year.
We highly encourage folks toconsider hey, you'll be in
school for at least four years,so consider that budget,
understanding what you canafford, which, again, these
things are not very easy to do,but we provide information about
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how to go about that and we'replanning to do even more of that
to help families getting thebest deal for you, which also
includes looking for thosescholarships, applying for
financial aid and borrowing onlywhat you need right, Cutting as
much cost as possible tominimize borrowing.
So start with outcomes in mind.
Talk about finances to get thebest deal.
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Mind, talk about finances toget the best deal.
The third piece is going back tothe hindsight.
That we discussed is justengaging in all that school has
to offer.
I talked to one researchparticipant and she was like
everybody's telling me to thinkabout the future and think ahead
and think about success.
But I'm in college now, likethis is my life now, so I need
to really lean into this, whichis absolutely right, right.
(22:12):
So when you're in school, thinkabout what resources are
available.
Build relationships, find amentor.
Our research actually foundthat having a mentor is the most
highly associated attributewith success after graduation.
Building those relationshipsand finding your champions,
finding people who can help youplan out your life, who can help
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you think and make plans, isreally important.
Start with outcomes in mind,talk about finances early and
often to get the best deal andengage in all that school has to
offer.
Two more left.
The fourth one is like finishwhat you started.
This is super obvious for many,many people.
This is super obvious for many,many people.
But what's not obvious is thatalmost four in 10 students who
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start college do not graduate insix years.
There's life changes.
Finances stand in the way,motivation changes.
Mental health is one of thereasons.
But when you are on that roadlike, do everything that you can
to finish, education pays offonly when you get it.
And then finally back toplanning.
You got to build and execute alaunch plan, and so this goes
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back to get the internshipreally commit to a career that
you want to pursue and startbuilding your resume while
you're still in school.
The other piece of that isfinancial habits.
Most grads who feel verysuccessful say that they have
learned how to manage moneybefore they left college, and so
that's actually another topicfor conversation around parental
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support and school support aswell, around how do we work with
students to get them ready formanaging money right, because
those, once you're out of school, many, many folks move back
with parents, which I think issort of the reality of today.
Almost two thirds of gradswithin the past two years
actually living with parents twothirds right.
So that's much more than itused to be, but managing
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finances is a reality that allof them will have to face when
they're out of school.
So start with outcomes, Talkabout finances to get the best
deal for you, Don't pay morethan you have to, Engage in all
of the school has to offer,Finish what you started, and
build and execute that launchplan.
That's the advice that all ofour research and all of our
experience would suggest that wegive to every student who wants
(24:27):
to succeed with highereducation.
Dr. Lisa Hassler (24:29):
So your report paints a clear picture of how
today's young adults areexperiencing life after college.
What can educators and schoolcounselors, even college
advisors, do differently to helpstudents prepare not just for
college but for the realitiesthey'll face after graduation?
Annat Shrabstein (24:46):
I think there is a couple of pieces that
connect the themes that we havediscussed.
The first is based on thedefinition of success for this
new generation, and that goesback to supporting the whole
student, and helping studentsplan for the life that they have
ahead of them is, I think,critical.
The other piece of this isfinancial awareness.
(25:07):
Making sure that our studentshave the skills and knowledge
that they need to manage moneybefore they need to start doing
that independently is reallyimportant.
Development and post-collegesuccess that helps students
transition from college life toafter college life, I think, is
(25:36):
something that would be helpfulfor students.
And I thought of a fourth thing, I think for students
themselves, there's somethingabout actively managing your
life.
So actively managing yourfinances, actively managing your
career and continuing to growas an individual, engaging in
continuous learning.
That, just you know, makes youan interesting human being and,
(25:58):
I think, sets you up for abetter life.
Dr. Lisa Hassler (26:00):
So where can listeners access Sallie Mae
research and planning tools tohelp start their plan for
college?
Annat Shrabstein (26:08):
So our college planning tools, the Scholly
Scholarship Search and ScoutCollege Search, are on Sallie.
Those are resources forfamilies who are starting their
college journey but also who arealready paying for school.
Our financial products are onSallie and that's where our
(26:28):
research lives as well, underleading research.
Your listeners can find thewealth of our published research
there.
We have a step-by-step FAFSAguide, the gatekeeper for
federal financial aid, bothgrants and loans and many
colleges use the FAFSA todetermine scholarships, amounts,
need-based and sometimes evenmerit, and so we provide a
(26:52):
step-by-step guide that manyfamilies use as they are filling
out the FAFSA.
Dr. Lisa Hassler (26:58):
And then this is where grants would come in.
Annat Shrabstein (27:01):
That's exactly right.
Dr. Lisa Hassler (27:02):
And then how do you fill the gap between
grants and scholarships?
We had the federal government,and now there's a lot of
uneasiness about how that wholething is going.
But that's not their onlyoption.
Families can go to other placesfor loans as well.
Annat Shrabstein (27:19):
That's exactly right, and Sallie Mae is one of
the largest providers ofprivate student loans, which
should be used exactly as youmentioned.
Right so, first free money,right so, scholarships and
grants, then federal aid andthen, if there's still a gap
that remains between that whatthe family can afford and what
(27:39):
the bill is we're here withprivate student loans as well.
Dr. Lisa Hassler (27:43):
Yeah, and it's good for them to be able to
know that there's options forthat.
It's not just like one placethat they have to go, but to
really be considering theiroptions and what fits for their
family best.
That's exactly right, so it'sgood to know that there's those
kind of resources out there.
So I really appreciate all ofthe insights that you shared and
for helping us betterunderstand what success looks
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like for today's graduates.
Your research is not only afresh perspective, but also a
clear practical guide forfamilies and educators trying to
support students in meaningful,future-focused ways.
Annat Shrabstein (28:18):
I'm thrilled to have been part of this, and I
do hope that your listenerstake a moment to check out our
resources and our research.
College planning can beincredibly overwhelming, and so
using resources such as the onesthat we've discussed available
on Sallie can really helpfamilies through this journey
(28:40):
and navigate that withconfidence.
Dr. Lisa Hassler (28:43):
Well, thank you so much.
Annat Shrabstein (28:44):
Thank you
Dr. Lisa Hassler (28:44):
If today's conversation resonated with you.
I encourage you to explore theHow America Succeeds After
College 2025 report and theplanning resources offered by
Sallie Mae.
As always, the more informed weare, the better equipped we'll
be able to guide the nextgeneration through a changing
educational landscape.
If you have a story aboutwhat's working in your schools
that you'd like to share, youcan email me at lisa@
(29:06):
drlisarhassler.
com, or visit my website at www.
drlisarhassler.
com and send me a message.
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good in education so that itspreads, affecting positive
change.
So let's keep working togetherto find solutions that focus on
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