103. Aliens, Woke Wars, and Homosexual Children.

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What you what you think about those rumors about young boy
being CIA informant? I thought they were funny.
And people are really serious about it.
I believe it. Excuse me.
Yeah, I believe it. Hell yeah.

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I mean, it isn't the craziest conspiracy that people believe
in. People love conspiracies.
I totally believe that. People are like, locked into it.
I've noticed as I. When I'm like talking with new
people and getting to know them,yeah, I like to talk about

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conspiracies with them. And I feel like it's a bad way
to, like, break bread with someone you haven't really like,
met before. But at the same time, it's a
really great way to break bread with someone you haven't met.
Before so I get huh. It's like getting in the express
lane of crazy. Yeah, it's like we can see like

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what kind of kooky things you believe in and like maybe you'll
share some kooky things back. You just like, let's just get to
the point. Yeah.
Like, like, wait, let's show each other.
You are crazy. Hey, like you show me my or you
show me yours, I'll show you mine.
It's it's pretty fun actually. Like, I don't know that.

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And also, like, as you get older, I think rather not.
And also as you get older, conspiracies become less like,
oh, that's not real. And like, more like, oh, I can

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totally. I can totally see that.
Yeah. Because I don't know if it's
like wisdom because you just learn and you see how things
operate and you become less naive and you and you literally
get to start experiencing like maybe you don't experience the

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one conspiracy that like you're referring to all the time, but
you experience something that becomes a conspiracy that is
very similar to like other conspiracies.
And you're like, oh, yeah, Nah, this is totally like, And then
people are like, no, that's a conspiracy.
It's like, no, no, no. You can see how this is like

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very obviously like a cover up like happening in front of you.
Not to go into like anything specific right now.
I'm just saying in general, likewhen you experience government
cover ups in real time, you're like, oh, this is how it

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happens. Just spooky, right?
But you're in like 2025 and it'sliterally like you're fighting
thousands of cell phones and information gathering and
Internet sleuths and just like people with way too much time
and resources now. Yeah.

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I feel like it's probably one ofthe hardest times to if you, if
you're going to try to create like a government cover up,
you're going to have the hardesttime more than ever now in the
current age. And you're definitely going to
have way more people believing it's a cover up just because

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like how much more information is accessible to them.
Yeah. The the accessibility to to the
information is. I think that's just shifted the
whole culture. Yeah, because people don't just

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have to like, rely on like one or two like smoking guns
anymore, right? Right.
They can just go literally go online and find so much
information, yeah for like any particular event and be like oh
shit. Yep, Yep.
And a lot of times in real time.Yeah, in real time too.

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Yeah. I was, I was just, we don't have
to make this a tangent, a long one, but it's just interesting
you bring it up because I was having a talk with one of my
buddies. We were having a few beers and
we were talking about, you know,global politics.

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And I was explaining to him, I'mlike, I don't listen.
I'm not going to try to convinceyou of anything.
I don't want you to agree with anything.
I just, I'm going to give you a little bit of information that's
going to help you make sense of,of what's happening with the
younger generations right now. And you do what you want with

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that information. But here, here, here's the What
is it? This is it, right here.
For the first time in pretty much all of human history, a

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whole generation of people are watching.
Well now 2 wars. It started with Ukraine and now
it's Israel and and Palestine. They're watching a whole entire
war in real time. And I was telling them this.

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I'm like listen to what I'm saying to you.
The kids are watching a real life war.
Second for 2nd from hundreds of different angles in real time.
I said October 7th. You can watch what happened on

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October 7th from beginning to end, multiple angles, second for
second the entire event everything had.
And then I told him about the hospital that Israel just
bombed. And I'm like, you can watch the
whole thing second for second, like multiple angles, like
they're watching entire wars. We've always been removed from

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what was going on in the world. I mean, even with like, the
Holocaust, like, everything was hindsight.
Yeah. If American civilians at that
time got to just turn on their TV every evening after work and
watch what was happening in World War 2IN real time, like

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every war even let's go to our generation with the war in Iraq,
or I mean, fuck it. Any of them really.
Desert Storm, any of them. We were even removed from it.
Everything, all the atrocities and horrors that came out, that

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was on our part. We didn't know until later when
shit got leaked and WikiLeaks and this and that.
And like then we started understanding the full scope of
what like war was or what was going on in the world.
And for the first time, I think it started with Ukraine, really,
the war in Ukraine and like I said, now Israel and Palestine.

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But everyone's watching this shit all in real time.
So how? Of course, of course you're
going to have a feeling of unrest within a whole generation
of kids if they're fucking watching it happen.
And any you're not human if you see these things and like

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something in your heart doesn't go like, oh fuck.
Anyway, that's all. So that's all my bad.
No, you're good. It's the first time I think,
like, in recent history, especially because, like,
Twitter has real Twitter and social media in general have

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become the spaces of the news. Yeah, that it's no longer wait
until something gets posted or the government makes an
announcement or the news covers it.
It's people are ahead of everything and like the powers

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that be have a much harder time shaping A narrative that they
would like because people can literally go and get information
like as it's being uploaded now.Yeah, like in real time.
So it's creating like this wholesituation of unrest for a lot of

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people because then people also start like, questioning the
powers that be when they say something because they're like,
what do you mean? I literally just saw it for
myself like 3 seconds ago, like as it was uploaded.
Yeah. And then you're telling me this
whole other thing. Yeah.
Yeah. And and.

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You. A lot of times you don't even
get a choice in the matter. They have to witness some of the
stuff that's. Happening.
You don't even get a choice. Scrolling because you're so
addicted to these things to yoursocial media apps like you just
literally get like war crimes inyour face or like murdered in

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your face, like people dying in your face.
I mean, I'm not even I don't even have to talk about anything
specifically when I'm saying that because like even what Joe
Rogan and like Bert, not Bert Craig, Tom Segura, right?
They have a whole thing like forthe years now where they said
they'd just send each other likethe most terrible like deaths

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that they see on their timeline or in their algorithm or some
shit, right? Yeah, I'm not one for gore.
Honestly, you know what I'm talking about, right?
Yeah, I've been saying that, that they, yeah, yeah, they'll
do some shit like that for a while now.
I think I've heard them say that, yeah.
I mean, I might not do it anymore.
I'm just saying like. No, I remembered him talking

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about that. Yeah, it's just a, it's just a
thing to as a point to be like it's kind of inescapable at this
point. Yeah, it's fucking bananas,
honestly. I say all that because we went
on this whole other tangent and it's just the idea of
conspiracies is funny because itreally starts like I, I disagree

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with a lot of JRE stuff, as you know.
Yeah. And it's funny how like, that's
one of the one things that I, I do like that he says that is,
that is funny. Like, you know, a lot of
conspiracies are conspiracies because that's literally what
they are. Like it's a conspiracy, like

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it's the government conspiring to like do a thing Like that's
the death as like this connotation like this literally
was happening. I guess just the famous one will
always be the Bay of Pigs. Yeah.
It's like look like they do stuff like that.

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Like it's a great example for you to be like.
What do you think the conspiracyon like to make things more a
little lighthearted, Do you do you think there's any kind of
conspiracy around aliens? What would you be like your most

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craziest? Maybe it doesn't even have to be
crazy. What kind of give me like a
alien conspiracy take you think the government's involved in?
I don't know. I think, I think if we're going

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conspiracies, my favorite ones, like if we're going alien
conspiracy, my favorite is the Bob Lazar story.
And if I'm going to think of aliens in a way that I think
most people look at it all, which I usually don't.

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I have my own personal idea of aliens, but I would say I would
think about it like the way Bob Lazar has put it, where
basically you have these beings with crazy advanced technology,

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with resources that can't be found on Earth.
And I think that we have some shipwrecks here.
And that's what the government has is these wreckage.
And a lot of them, they're learning how to maneuver

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themselves, but they spent all these years basically 20th
century trying to reverse engineer these these crafts that
they have. And the things we're seeing now

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are just these same beings who are still popping in and out
around us. And I think that that's
probably, I don't know, that's, that's the extent of my thinking
was it? There was a there was a video

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that got put out of this interaction with the orb and a
Hellfire missile. Have you seen that?
Yeah, you show me. Yeah.
And then I was, I saw this one politician talking recently and

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he was like giving a hypothetical, but it was a
really random hypothetical. And it was like something along
the lines of like something, something.
Well, they could also be like another species that's just

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always been here or that like lives alongside us right now.
And they're living like in five or six of the deepest parts of
the ocean on the planet right now.
And that's why they're so hard to find.
And he's like one of the people on the, on the UAP task force.

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And it's like, what are you saying bro?
I think that's that's that seemslike the case a lot of times
too. No, I'm not.
I'm not saying like what he's saying is crazy.
I'm just saying that like, it's so shocking to whatever ends up

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coming out out of all this because I genuinely do think at
some point, like, big beans are going to be spilled in some way
or another. Yeah, like people are digging
and people seem to not want to stop digging and we keep getting
more and more information. Yeah.

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So, I mean, if we were to just, you know, zoom out, like at some
point we're going to know, like now they're saying they found
microorganisms on Mars. Oh yeah, I just see that.
That was pretty fascinating, so.Signs of ancient life.
So it's like, well. How cool is that man?

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Oh, that's fucking awesome. I.
Find that more exciting than aliens and then.
Well, that actually leads me into aliens because it's like,
if we've always been like, where's the life?
Where's the life? And like, we assume the universe
is teeming with life. Like, OK, well, if we found

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signs of microorganisms on Mars from, what, millions of years
ago, who's to say those aren't the Martians that maybe, like,

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live in the oceans now? Like, you know what I mean?
Like, yeah, it's like literally anything could be possible at
that point now. That'd be pretty funny,
actually, that you know what? You tell me, oh, we found life
on Mars and then I'm like, oh, so aliens like are definitely
like visiting for sure. Like there's no point in even us
joking like pretending it's not the case anymore.

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Nothing. You tell me that we found life
on the planet, like right next to us, the nearest.
That is most likely to used to have like a Earth type
atmosphere and there used to be a life there.
Yeah, bro, there's aliens like of course, right.
You were going to say I'm sorry?I think I was going to try to

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make a bit and say that I'm going to adopt that as my new
alien conspiracy because 100% humans would fuck up that bad
where we would literally be trying to go and colonize the
planet when the whole time the aliens left that planet and have
been in our oceans. Yeah, they're like the aliens

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came over here for our oceans because they were like, bro, we
fucking ran out of water on our planet.
We need water to survive. And then we're like, no, we want
to go back there. The place with no water and then
and then the aliens that live onthe planet with us are like what

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the fuck is wrong with you people?
You guys have everything you need right here.
Why you leave? Like we literally had to leave
our planet because there was nothing.
Why are you trying to go there when you guys have everything?
For real, You know that that video though, that video with
the missile hitting the the crack or whatever it is and that

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shit just yo, that's so badass. That's so badass to be shot with
a fucking missile. And it's just like, it's just
like, and on the on the video, it looks like when I don't know,
I don't know if you understand this experience, but like when
you're driving at night time anda deer runs out and runs into

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the side of your car, like you don't hit it, it hits you.
That happens a lot. Like the deer will run out and
fucking run right into the car. And it just bounces off.
Bounces off and gets knocked simple and runs off.
That's what it looked like in that alien video.
That shit was so we should AI like American flag to that bitch

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So like we. Could be like, yeah.
That's how bad that's our shit. I was actually watching that
video again today because I funny enough you mentioned JREI
listened to JRE episode today man, first time in a long time

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and they were talking about thatthat video.
Yeah, Yeah. Do you think, have you ever
heard about that conspiracy about Dwight Eisenhower having
made a deal with like other alien species to in exchange for

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technologies, he gave them the pass to abduct like a certain
amount of human beings on Earth to use like for test studies?
No, I've never heard that one. And that was the transaction.
Yeah, it's, it's like one of themost famous ones.
I, I can't quote it exactly, butthat's like the general premise

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is that during Eisenhower's presidency, he met with, I
believe it's the greys damn. And the, the transaction that
they that they came to amongst each other was in exchange for

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humans, like some humans, we would get some of their
technology so that they could run experiments and this and
that, which also is if we're going to use like that as a
like, if we were going to pretend that's real, right?

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Let's use that as a benchmark for I don't know what you want
to call civility or ethics. It's like they have some kind
of, it might it sound like really unethical, but at the
same time, clearly there's some kind of ethics there that like

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some kind of rule structure where they weren't allowed to
just come and just take what they wanted.
They had to like, you know what I mean?
Out of respect. They're like, all right, like we
have to make a deal with their, with their leaders to do an
exchange. So it's fair.
And like they don't shoot at us and shoot us down and create

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issues that here, like amongst each other, we, we don't need
them shooting at us. We just want to do our thing.
Like here, we'll give you guys some technology.
We just want to run studies, seeand use people to see what we
can learn, which also kind of makes sense, right?
Like if you were a species, a totally different intelligent

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species, right? And you shut up on Earth.
Yeah, just how like we scavenge the Earth and all the different
species that live on this planetto come up with like medicines
and whatever else. Like we use venoms to create
anti venoms and all kinds of things, right?
Or we find different chemicals in different plants and animals

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to create medicines and new things all the time.
Well, it probably also makes sense that like, if you were a
species somewhere in the university shadow on Earth, you
would want to do some studies and experiments with the
intelligent species on this planet, because that's like a

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very rare opportunity. Like, well, this thing's smart
enough to like make shit and do interesting things.
Like let's run experiments and see what we can get from it,
right? Let's run experiments on them
and see what we can get from it.I can see humans doing that if
we went to another planet. Like come on, we literally do it

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now on our planet. I wish I found alien stuff like
more stimulating. I've always had a real problem
with like with that, that topic.And like, I'm not saying that in

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a way, like I don't want to talkabout this.
I'm just trying to be real abouthow I feel right now.
It's not that like it's not interesting.
I think it's crazy interesting and like I always feel angry

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because I wish that like. We knew.
No, I found it more stimulating.I don't know.
I just don't. And I, I think really like the
part that confuses me the most is like, what's the big secret?
Like why? Why is aliens a conspiracy to

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begin with? OK.
This just seems pretty obvious at this point, right?
You're almost like a silly person to not believe in aliens.
Yeah, but why does why does like, why does it have to be
obvious why? Why like hasn't it just been
common knowledge? Yeah, like or just coexistence,

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like I don't understand what thesecret is.
OK, if they exist, right, It seems pretty evident that like,
I don't know if I will call it superior technology, but they
definitely have some shit we don't as far as like propulsion

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systems versus gravity hops. But so really like, I don't
know, I don't see a threat level.
So I don't know, like why is this such a secret to them that
they got to like move the way that they move?

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Why is this such a secret for our government?
Why is this such a like, what's the veil all about if we all
exist, we all exist and like, we'll just all get the fuck on
like we usually do. I wonder.
I often like think it probably has more to do with.
I'll give 2 examples to explain what my answers to that question

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is. When you have a young person or
like an infant, generally you try not to like give them the
answers or the way to like solvethe problems.
You, you try to let them figure it out on their own because you
recognize that's the best way they're going to learn and

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improve is when they, when they figure out the things on their
own. And you could probably relate to
that as like a father, like in alot of cases, probably easy.
It would be way easier for you to just tell them how to do it.
But there's probably many cases where like it's more beneficial

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for them to figure it out on their own as part of the growing
process. And then I also think about like
uncontacted tribes and how we treat them.
And it's like, or even on a different on a adjacent plane,

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non not interfering in nature. Like when you go out in nature
and you see like a snake eating a bird, not going over to the
bird and taking the bird or the snake off of the bird.
Like you let it play out becauselike that's how nature is like
it's going through its own cycleon its own terms.

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Like you're not supposed to intervene.
Yeah. I often think it's probably just
something more like. It's probably a very simple
answer like that. Like even though they could
solve all these things, I think it very much might be a
situation where it's like, yeah,it would be so much easier if my

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3 year old could just drive to the store and get the food that
he wants to eat himself. But like, is that the smart
thing to do? Well, I don't think like there's
anything for them to solve. I know that I've made that
argument before. I'm not making that right now.
Oh my God. But, and the reason that I've

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made that argument is because wealways this conversation, not me
and you, I'm just saying the alien conversation in general,
in my experience, we always get to this place where in the
conversation the aliens are actually put up on this like
pedestal of like superiority. So then my rebuttal to that is

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if they're so superior, like whyare you just watching do
something? Maybe.
But that's not my argument tonight.
My argument tonight to you is that why are you a secret?
I don't want you to solve anything.
But if you exist and I exist andwe could communicate with each

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other like. I think that's why it's the
secret is because like or the three-year old that still needs
to figure it out, like maybe even there's like.
But even in that, that's, that's, that's us going back to
where we're putting aliens in this position of superiority.
Like who the fuck are you to sayhumans are three-year olds?

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Like we've been around for hundreds of thousands of years
at this point, obviously alongside your species.
Like what is that? What is that to tell?
Like what do you mean? We're too young to If you can
talk to me and there's a way I can understand you and I can
talk to you and there's a way you can understand me like.

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I can talk to my cat. Right.
It doesn't mean like it's effective.
Like I mean it's effective on some level.
Like I I think too, like maybe it has something to do with our
inability to be space faring. Like you're, you're asking from

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what we understand, you know, for the sake of the
conversation, a species that cantravel space, right, right.
And we can't even get a fucking rocket back to our moon, back to
our moon. Supposedly.
I think the moon landing was real, although like I know like

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there's plenty of people that also don't think is real.
But like, you know what I mean? It's like if we if we base it
off things like that, then I guess the IT depends on what the
parameters are and we just don'tknow the parameters,
unfortunately. Maybe the parameters are killing
each other. Like God knows what the

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parameters are, but then that's also important, right?
It's like, depending on how longthey've existed, assuming they
exist, right? Maybe there comes a point in an

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intelligent species lifespan where they stop killing each
other, right? And like they could come down
here and be like, hey, like you guys got to stop killing each
other. Like this is just never going to
work. Like we can't be a thing if you

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guys don't, you know, if you guys aren't able to be a thing
as as yourselves, Like how do you expect to go and explore
other, other solar systems and other places as humans, as the
human civilization? If you're still doing like this

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tribalism thing where you're like, we're different countries.
So like, fuck you because you'rea different country than me.
You know what I mean? Yeah.
No, I, I understand. I understand.
Maybe we have to naturally come to that, and God knows how long
that might be. That might take another 1000
years. What I find interesting about

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the our alien conversation is, depending on who you're talking
to, there's so much human projection.
And like, I actually find that way more interesting than like,

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aliens themself to like talking to someone about aliens.
Yeah. And like a lot of times with
with alien conversations, it's like all these like types of.
Human projections and shit. Either we make them like gods or
like how people treat and act with God or or like I don't

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know. A lot of times when people try
to explain what they think like is up with aliens or explain
like how they think we would treat aliens or how they would
treat us. It always like a lot of times
sounds like how some fucking colonial white American would

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treat someone else unlike them. I find that interesting.
Be more specific, give me an example.
Like. I'm not following exactly

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because that could go either way.
Like in my mind, you're either saying that people say aliens
will come and. Kill us.
Yeah, sometimes they say that. Or like come and conquer like
I'm, I want to understand what you're trying to, what you're
trying to say. Yep, that like sometimes people

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go that route. I think that's a projection to I
think that that's the case of what I just said.
Like I was trying to be funny, but I was serious.
Like colonial white American, what they would do the people
unlike themselves. The two things you just said.

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I think that falls under that orwhat you said a few minutes ago
where you're you said like we'rethe three-year olds and like
there's this thing that has to happen in nature and everything.
So like that's why they are gatekeeping the universe, I
guess. And it's like there's that human

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projection again. Like that's what we do.
We as resourceful people gatekeep it from the world
instead of doing all the good that we could do with that.
So here we are explaining alienslike we're so inferior that

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we're not ready for the wisdom of the universe, and like,
they're the ones who get to say if we're ready or not.
Like, yeah, that absolutely. Unless I'm not understanding
like gatekeeping, that is absolutely gatekeeping the

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universe. Is it gatekeeping if we
literally can't prove it? Like it just sounds like we're
inept. Like that's like, is it gate?
Is it gatekeeping if we can't prove their existence?
No. No, if that's the case, then

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we're just two guys sitting heretalking about conspiracies.
But you know you. But if we're assuming that
they're real and we're assuming that, like what you just said a
minute ago is the case, then that is gatekeeping in my books.
That's the way I understand it. But of course, if no, we can't

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prove that it's real. So obviously, like we're just
two dudes talking about conspiracies, but we're assuming
that they are real and we're assuming what you said is the
case. I guess like I'm taking
gatekeeping in more literal sense where it's like if I go to
book club and I ask or if I go to historic society, right,

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right. And I want to be involved and
learn the history and ask questions and tell people about
the history that I know. And I'm just told no because of,
I don't know, like whatever reason, right, that's
gatekeeping. Like I've gone to some entity.

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I've tried to communicate with said entity to get information
or participate, and I've been prevented from doing so.
I feel like we haven't even like, I mean, other than like
government, right? Yeah.
It's like, I don't even think we're at that step.
I think we're like we're at the step where we're where we're

(41:00):
speculating that there's a historic society, but we can't
prove that there's a historic society.
There's just talks that there's been a historic Society of
people that like know about history.
And we haven't been able to likestand across from them to even
ask if we could be participatingin it yet.

(41:24):
Like we haven't even met them. Like that's where I think we are
in this whole thing. So like, I don't know if I could
call, if I myself, me could callit gatekeeping at that point
because I'm just like, we haven't even like made it there
yet. Like we're still speculating on
even if there is a historic society that can gatekeep from

(41:46):
us. Brother, I was saying all that.
Assume it. Like assuming that aliens were
real. OK, OK.
And assuming that what you said was the case, I don't believe in

(42:08):
aliens more than I believe in them if we're being honest with
each other. Honestly it's not even about
believing them. I think.
Like I could care less if they exist or not because it just.
I mean I'm watching children die.
I'm fucking financially suffering.
Most of my peers complain about life.

(42:31):
Like, things seem pretty unhappymost of the time.
Aliens had no like effect on my life at all.
What's been on your mind the most lately?
I actually went down a whole rabbit hole this week bro.
Actually two of them simultaneously.

(42:54):
Which actually worked out fucking perfect.
But I'm really ashamed to say I really do feel ashamed that I
did not know this. But I just learned that anti
woke is an actual thing. I had no idea.

(43:21):
Like no idea. And like, I really like
genuinely felt stupid as like I'm learning the information
that I'm learning and like a lotof shit makes sense now.
And I've been waiting to catch you in person so we can like

(43:42):
talk about it because the last time we recorded, we had a
conversation about it. And I, I, I like I would make
comments about quote, UN quote Annie woke or whatever.
And there would be a shift in like your demeanor.

(44:06):
And I like and not just yours though, but like multiple
friends whenever like this topiccame up and I mentioned it to
you. And you?
I don't know. You kind of didn't know what I
was talking about is the way I took it.
And I'm like, OK, maybe it's just me.

(44:28):
It was that really the case? You really didn't know, like
what I was talking about with the shift in like your demeanor,
like there's nothing to that. I gave you a.
Are you talking about when I gave you a example of like what?
I what? I think it might have been like

(44:53):
if I were to do a guess, But yeah, like I don't no, because
like even right now you're saying like anti woke.
Yeah, I can't, I don't have likea, a solid definition of what
you're even talking about. In my mind you're just
explaining an idea that of like the antithesis of whatever woke

(45:19):
is. Oh, right, right.
Right. I can't really imagine why that
would, but I don't know. It feels kind of irrelevant to
me what does? Like I don't think there's we
literally live like surrounded by anti woke people.
Like it's the topic of anti wokeness doesn't really faze me

(45:43):
at all. So I'm kind of confused why that
would be the case. OK, well.
I'll take I I, I believe you on that.
And I just want to say that likeeverything we say in this
conversation, like I'm absolutely going to take you at

(46:06):
face value everything you tell me and respect it.
Oh, OK, so this is what I learned and I'll.
I'm going to take it you're saying you're so unfazed by it
that you don't know what I'm talking about.
Yeah. Boy, you could provide more
examples like there's a. Whole political war, political

(46:30):
cultural war going on right now,mainly between left podcasters
and comedians and people who like productions from Austin and
the people from Austin. Are the Annie wokes?

(46:52):
Are the Annie. Wokes I know about.
This right, right, right, right.So what I learned after and I, I
really do kind of feel shameful and I don't know why.
Maybe I feel stupid. I think I feel stupid and that's
nothing to do with you, but so there's this whole culture war

(47:14):
going on that I have nothing to do with and know nothing about.
And then when I'm saying that I'm anti woke, my liberal
friends, leftist friends, whatever, put whatever label.
I fucking hate labels, but put whatever one on it that makes

(47:34):
this this story make more sense.I say Andy woke.
And instead of like talking to me about it, like I just see
shifts in the face, shifts in the body language.
People stop talking like, and I'm like, what's going on?
And like, as I did with you, youtry to address it like, Hey,

(47:57):
what's that? What's going on?
Like what's happening here? And it's like, I don't know,
man. Maybe it's you all right, Maybe
it's me, but no, there's this whole culture war going on,
which in my opinion is just gross culty behavior.
I fucking hate that as a society, individually, it's

(48:18):
fine. Cults all day.
As a society it's gross. And like, there's this whole
thing going on and I'm here out here being ignorant, running my
mouth, talking about shit I knownothing about.
And like I just feel embarrassedbecause like I feel like
everyone's looking at me like either I'm actually a part of

(48:41):
that anti woke side of this fucking gang war that I have
nothing to do with. And it's like, so if you didn't
know all that and like, I don't know, man, like whatever, I'm
going to leave that part of the conversation, but I don't want.

(49:02):
To interrupt you while you're talking.
What I just want to give claritynow if I can for my own sake.
When I was saying anti woke, I Iknew about the Joe Rogan hate
and I knew about the Austin hate, but I hated Joe Rogan for

(49:27):
my own reasons. Like the last year, we'll say.
So like maybe I just wasn't as plugged in as I was before to
like fully get like the whole scope of it all.
But when I was saying it, what Imeant is I just like I'm upset

(49:51):
about like participating in something that I don't even want
to participate in. Like that's how I feel about
like being labeled woke and being put into that label and
category. That shit makes me nauseous.
I don't know why I don't. I don't want to be put into that
box because I'm not woke. And a lot of times people call

(50:16):
me woke because of my ideas and because of like how I feel about
certain topics and issues and shit.
And like, my stance all along has been you don't have to be
fucking woke to be a empathetic,caring human being.
Like you don't have to be a partof no fucking culture gang slap

(50:42):
a label on you for you to just look around you, take in data
and then have some feelings about it.
So this whole time, like that's what I've met and I and I like
yo, this is all nonsense. You wanted to add something?

(51:05):
Yeah, it's just, I was going to say like all I could imagine.
Like if there's because you're not saying anything that
surprises me. Like if I think about any time
where you've said that you're anti woke, like let me preface

(51:26):
this by saying like, I already know that you don't like neither
of us like labels. Like me especially.
I also don't like labels. Like you've made fun of me many
times for not liking labels on this show.
So like, I know that you don't like labels.
And then you've said many times that you're like anti woke, like

(51:51):
very passionately. And it's like, I also know
you're somebody since you don't like labels, you also ascribe
like your own definitions or like meanings to things
sometimes. So all I can imagine is like
gatekeeping. Well, I don't see like words are

(52:13):
words amongst friends are meant more to be like a mode of
connection rather than like like, I don't know what you want
to call it like index. I'm being provocative.
So like. When you say like you're anti
woke like I. Know like maybe like in the.

(52:35):
First days of you saying anti woke.
I would. Stop talking.
And pay attention more because I'm like I need to understand
what he means by this because like.
But you ain't. Never asked me.
No, because why? Would I ask if you're going to

(52:56):
start talking? I'm going to listen to what you
say that you think. What is there to ask if you're
about to start describing how you feel?
It's not a moment for me to you go I'm anti woke, and then you
start explaining how you feel about things.
Yeah, it's my moment to be quietand listen about how you feel.
So I can understand why you're saying you're labeling yourself

(53:18):
this thing. I get what you're.
Saying and I I do I like. That's very respectable, I
guess, like in my experience, right?
And like in my experience and. And then I'm not going to hold.
You to this. Standard of like these other
people because me and you have this relationship too is like

(53:39):
good friends where it's like if you're going to label yourself.
As something and then tell me the.
Reasons why you're labeling it. I'm not going to then assume
these other things people have tagged onto this tag are the
reasons why you're this thing. Like unless you've.
Told me you. These are the things that you

(54:00):
stand for, and This is why you're this thing.
I'm not going to add on the other things for you as well.
Yeah, no, I'm. Going to be like, oh, he's this
thing because. Of XYZ in the same way that like
you like some, right? Side politics, but you?
Wouldn't say you're a Republicanor like, whatever the case may

(54:22):
be, you know, like people are nuanced.
Yeah, sorry. No, no, no.
Totally respectable. I.
Guess like the way it feels likeon my side of it, like with
those conversations, it's like. The.
Response is kind of like I don'twant to talk about this.

(54:45):
Like how you. Respond like where you don't
want to say, yo, I don't want totalk about this.
So you kind of just like try to just ride out the conversation.
Bro, I've always, I don't know, I I you're.
Not responsible for me. And what I know and in no way do

(55:07):
I feel anything negative towardsyou about anything concerning
this conversation. I don't think that's the case.
OK, I just wanted to be. Clear No I.
Think we're on neutral ground right now?
Absolutely. We're just reviving.
But it was. Such a like.

(55:28):
Stand out thing to me and I think I.
Tried to. Address it right part that for a
second part. And.
Then like I, I learned the information that I learned and
to be truthful with you, I'm kind of glad it kind of happened

(55:51):
the way that it did because I, I, I like that I got the
information on my own, but I'm not going to let you.
Take that as a win. I'm not taking it as anything,
I'm just listening. So when I.
Learnt it all I. Really did feel extremely.
Embarrassed and that has nothingto do with any of my friends,

(56:16):
but I did feel that way and I was like, you know what in my.
Little. Provocative, agitating little
child mind. Sometimes I think that moment.

(56:37):
At last. Recording if you.
Knew this information that I didn't.
Know, I think that that would have been a very good time to
been like, bro, you know, like there's this whole cultural
thing going on right now and maybe he like broke that.
Down to me. And tell me maybe the reason why

(56:58):
there's a shift in certain people's demeanors because
there's a whole cultural fuckingwar going on in our space of
creativity. But see like that's.
Funny you say. That because like, I don't even
think it's that big a deal. Like like you're describing it
as like this culture war. And like, I mean, if it is like

(57:22):
culture war, like so be it. But like I've always just
thought it's been like, this is kind of just how things are.
Like it's kind of been very obvious to me that like all
these people, they're like, we don't like how?
California's being. Run.
All these people are so woke andthen they all move to Austin and

(57:43):
then they like the the kinds. Of things that.
Are propagating there are very anti the idea of wokeness even
in it's like inception of like the way the comedy is done and
the type of comics that have gone there like so so in my

(58:03):
mind, it's just like I just I see both sides and I'm just
like, I don't know if I would call it.
See, maybe it's just because I just don't care.
About like it that much because in my.
Mind, I'm just like. No, this is just normal, like

(58:25):
you're going to have a side. That like is.
Like extremely progressive and. Then you're going to have.
A When I say extremely progressive, I mean like this
super woke, super woke culture that is like trying to push very
far on that one side and then you're going to have the other
side that pushes back and the and tries to fight it to the

(58:48):
nail. And the a lot of those comics
have kind of just like picked upthat torch because it's.
It's kind of just what. Comedy can.
Do like if of the things that can push back.
And not be like. Scrutinized comedies, like one

(59:09):
of them, I mean, comics still get scrutinized, but so like, I
don't even know if I would like OK, maybe I would say even
calling it a culture war is almost giving it too much
credit. It's like I look.

(59:30):
At like the beef between. Like wokeness and anti wokeness
as like wow like this is like this is just the dumbest shit in
the world. Like, can we just agree that

(59:52):
hey, if something makes someone upset, let's not?
Try to. Intentionally upset them and in
your spaces where you do your thing, like if they're upset and
they're in your space, then maybe they shouldn't be in your
space. And that's how I feel about it

(01:00:14):
both ways. Like it's like, don't
intentionally go and try to hurtpeople.
And if you don't like what people are doing the same way in
the real world, real. World just like.
Stop hanging out with them like I don't understand.
You know what I mean? Like that's just where I'm like
in the middle, I guess when it comes to this topic.
And I just think it's like sillyfrom both sides.

(01:00:36):
So like, I really don't care about it.
Too much. So yeah, maybe even calling it
culture war, it's just giving ittoo much credit.
It's like making it out to be this like thing of significant
importance when like, I don't know, countries falling into
fascism like this actual like bigger issue.

(01:01:01):
Than like fucking people beefing.
About who's woke and who's oh shooting star nice about beefing
about. Who's?
Woke and who's who's like who's not?
I'm sorry. I I.
That I I never but see. I wouldn't even.

(01:01:25):
Like attach you exactly. To those crowds because like
like again, that's like a because I don't belong to either
one yeah it's like it's the labelling thing like you might
say like I was saying earlier like you might say you're anti
woke but like I know you as a person and I know like I don't
need. To label you as a as a.

(01:01:47):
Entity or a group. I label you as ace and aces.
These things like you want to know about ACE, I could tell you
about ACE. Like, but for me to be like, oh,
you're. This or that.
I don't think I could do that because you're not like and.

(01:02:07):
I feel like when you get to. Know most people, nobody's
really this or that. It's just like a convenience
thing to like, group people in the labels, yeah.
Yeah, I had we want to do. You have something to say.

(01:02:28):
Back to that. Or you want to shift shift the
subject. Talk about what you want.
I had a crazy. Dream more, dream talking.
Saw my dad again. Oh shit, I'll make this like a

(01:02:49):
brief conversation because I want to get to the meat and
potatoes of it. You made a dark humor joke about
I. Was like trying to.
Ask him about politics. I was like, I know before you
passed, he used to carry a like a pocket constitution on you.

(01:03:10):
He's like before I fired, it's like.
You. Mean before I was incinerated.
I was like Jesus. Christ.
Oh, was that a cremation joke? I think so.
Nice and fire I wasn't. I wasn't expecting.
It it was really. Random.
Yeah, and. I was like hold.

(01:03:33):
On in my. Dream I like tried to get out my
phone. I was like, I guess I want to
ask you these questions. I want to record your answers
and like I couldn't get my phoneto work in my dream and like it
won't work. He's like, maybe because they
don't want you to record? I'm like, huh?
Or like maybe they don't. Want it to work like what are
you talking about? So then I I flipped my.

(01:03:54):
Phone around and tried to take aselfie.
With him and when I looked. Into the phone it was just me
and. There was nobody in the chair
and. Then like.
But he was still there next to me.
And then the room. Like disintegrated and got like.
Ripped apart to like a molecularlevel and like we I got spit out

(01:04:16):
in like this portal to like my living room, but it was in
another world, but it was my living room.
Like it, it just it's like the room reset basically.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the light was like shining
through the window and bouncing off the mirror and reflecting
onto the fireplace. But the the light itself.

(01:04:38):
Like, you know. When it's the sun is coming
through the window and you can see the beams of light
individually like shining and itwas like that, but it was clear.
Like there's no dust in the air.It was almost like white light,
but it was clear and it had likepink hues It it felt so clear

(01:04:59):
and it just I had this like overwhelming sense of beauty
that it was so beautiful and. I walked through my door and
then. I end up in a different.
Dream. And once I walked through the

(01:05:21):
door, I had woken up again in mymom's bed.
That's how the dream originally started.
Was me waking up. In her bed so once I walked
through the. Door I woke up in her bed.
Again. And it was like this alternate
version of her room. And both times I woke up in her
room, it was just a little different from her room in the

(01:05:44):
real world. And I just kept thinking to
myself, like it felt like maybe.The room is.
Different. A little bit because this is
just like an internal representation of how this world
should be to make me feel safe. Because I don't know how to

(01:06:09):
like, really travel that world. Alone or on my own.
So it's like in my mind I'm likedoing woo woo shit like I
constantly keep trying to explore my dreams and like
really taking deep inventory when I go through my dreams and
then after I wake up. So then I'm thinking to myself
like maybe the. Way my.
Dreams are structured is like ifthis is an alternate.

(01:06:32):
Reality. This is a way.
Of presenting the reality so it makes sense to me since this
reality is the only reality I really so it's not exactly.
How it is it's something a. Little different has to be a
little different because it's not this reality, it's just
presented in a way that. Makes me feel safe.

(01:06:52):
And comfortable, right? Right, right.
And some things. Happen later in this dream where
like. There's like this, like
violence, and then some people die and there comes like a point
in the dream where they're like burning these dead bodies and

(01:07:19):
piles. Of clothes and stuff and.
There's this chemical that's like sprayed in the air and it
got on our skin and it like lit the air on fire.
So like our skin was burning. And I remember feeling the

(01:07:41):
burning on my skin and I, I remember.
Thinking to myself like. If this is a dream, why does it
hurt a little bit but not hurt like so much that I was going to
wake up? It just hurt enough to make me
think about pain so I end up waking up at some point.

(01:08:07):
But I'm. Going to tell you my
interpretation of it, OK. My interpretation of it.
Is. The representation of pain in a

(01:08:33):
in a dream. It's like a place that we know
like on our. Own.
We shouldn't really be able to feel pain in our.
In our dreams, right? Right.
Like dreams are supposed to not have that, but going with this

(01:08:54):
idea that like this is like a reality that's been fabricated
to make me feel safe and at homeso I can not like freak out when
I'm there. Adding on to that and after
having. Talked.
Oh, I left out one of the most important parts when the room

(01:09:18):
was like being disintegrated andeverything was like disappearing
after I did all that, I. Remember, I was just.
Crying. I have voice notes because I
recorded it after I woke up and I'm like crying in the.
Voice note because like. I remember.
I was just like. Calling out and screaming out in

(01:09:41):
the living room, like while the room was falling apart, saying
like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry I I didn't.
Mean to like make this? Experience go away.
Can I just have Christmas like if if if you can come back one
more. Time can you just come?

(01:10:02):
Back for Christmas. Because I had all these like
questions, I still wanted to talk.
With him about OK Fast forward if this if all that stuff is
like a fabricated world to like help me feel safe and understand

(01:10:27):
what's going on what if pain is a metaphor to.
Explain. The realness of that world.
And since we know that we cannotexperience pain, like not
experiencing a real pain but a type of pain is a way of like

(01:10:53):
metaphorically explaining to us in that world that it is
somewhat real, or at least not somewhat real, but a different
kind of real. And the analogy I gave to my mom
was. If we were stuck and.
Lived our whole lives. Like in the Internet world, like

(01:11:15):
in the cyber world, how would weexplain to people in the
physical world what that was like?
We, it would be really hard. Yeah.
Yeah. We would have to use like these.
Metaphors and things. To try to like make them
understand what it is like to live that live there right right
or how how their. World has.

(01:11:36):
Like. Similarities to our world.
So that's like what I came. Out of that with.
Was that maybe one if my dad wasmaking jokes about his cremation
and this was a real experience with like him in the afterlife?
Yeah. It tells.

(01:11:57):
Me that. He was aware.
Of life after his. Death, or at least his
existence. After death, yeah.
So if we take that and walk. That further then.
We go, OK. That means like.

(01:12:21):
Maybe there is? A realness.
To the reality of whatever comes.
Next. After death and when I say
realness, it's just maybe a different kind of realness.
Like it's not going to be like this realness.
It's just a different kind, right, Right.

(01:12:43):
And then? You want to take that step.
Further and be like well if the brain.
Really does produce DMT when you're sleeping and you are
traversing. To another world.
Well, I mean, that world is a little different, but like,
who's to say it's not at least alittle real?
A different kind of real, right?Right.

(01:13:04):
Because I don't know, that's my.Glass half full.
With the whole like burning. Thing because the burning thing
didn't make a lot of sense, but when I tied the burning thing in
and the feeling like the burningsensation on my skin, it just
made me think about like the beginning of the dream and him
making the jokes about cremation.

(01:13:27):
And it seems like it all ties together, like he's like
basically being like, look like there's awareness after death,
the experience. Of whatever life is.
Exists in some form after death,and it's real.

(01:13:53):
Enough. Or at least real, but it's a
just a different kind of real and low key felt.
Like I unlocked. Like some kind of universal
truth. Yo, that's a fire.
Feeling. Yeah, it was weird.
It was. Really weird.

(01:14:13):
But it was a good feeling, kind of like I'm not like worried
about. Death or anything?
So saying. It.
Gave me peace would be kind of strange, but a certain kind of
peace. I know I was really upset when

(01:14:35):
like the room started to like slip away and he disappeared.
I I haven't like thought too much.
About that. Like in a dream, using a tool
made from this reality. Yeah, It just doesn't make
sense. Like.

(01:14:58):
It's almost like you want to be.Like, what are you doing dummy?
That doesn't work here and it's like.
Him not showing up in the. Camera.
It's like, how did my brain think of that?
Like I could look in my I was. Looking in the phone.
On the selfie, like the live shoot of the video, and he just

(01:15:22):
wasn't in the in the picture, itwas just an empty chair.
And it's like, all right, do we want to?
Read into that. Metaphor like what That is
trying to say What? What is that trying to say?
Well, I just think like it's. It's saying like you're.
Trying to you, you're trying to use a tool from a different
reality in this reality to see something from this reality.

(01:15:49):
Like obviously that's not going to work.
I mean, obviously my physical phone was not there, but it's
more it's everything in dreams just feels like it's.
Relating to this bigger notion. Of just like, what life

(01:16:13):
experiences as a human, like, you have to figure everything
out on your own. Yeah.
So it's like, well. What can I take?
Away from that, well. If I couldn't see him.
In the phone and I was trying touse a tool.
From here there. It's like maybe don't use.

(01:16:34):
Don't try to use. This.
World logic there. Don't use tools from here there
like experience there is there like it's just not it's it's
different, different place, different rules.

(01:16:57):
I love that because it felt likeI did a big no no when I did
that since the whole room like started spinning and slipped
away and kind of got like almostlike recombobulated, yeah.

(01:17:21):
What else has been? On your mind,
well. I'm thinking about.
Things, but they're just. Things that I'm not going to
talk about on the pod say that again.

(01:17:45):
I said things like. That were coming to.
Mind and things I wouldn't talk about on the pod that's very.
I had two. Friends tell me.
Separately in two different conversations that they would

(01:18:06):
disown their. Kids if they.
If their kids were gay. What the OR trans?
I swear I isolate. Myself so much.
Into like my own little world that I forget.
That. Like we're dealing with shit.
Still in the world and I'm. Like I'm always like, I'll be

(01:18:30):
honest, I laugh, but it's not like it's not that I find it
funny, it's that I find it so fucking bizarre.
That's so so it's so bizarre if I'm sorry, like if I'm like,
stepping. Out of line.
That's just so awful. That just sounds so awful.

(01:18:55):
Like I just can't even imagine. I just.
I can't imagine. Really like.
This sound. Like what?
Like can't even imagine like broit's such a terrible.
Comparison. But like if my cat was gay like

(01:19:15):
I'm not going to stop loving my cat bro so like to stop loving
and like caring for a human likesomething.
Is my literal child. I just can't even imagine, like
I don't know it just God, it just sounds so.
Awful. It does, doesn't it it?

(01:19:39):
Sounds so bizarre. What?
What I really? Wanted to say was it sounds.
Evil like I if I want to. Unfilter.
Myself, I'm I want to say you have to be a truly horrible
person. That's what I really want to
say. And I want to say, you need to
find Jesus. Because Jesus was not

(01:20:02):
homophobic. For the record.
That's true, by the way. Just like.
Jesus Christ. Literally like.
Just. I do.
I find it bizarre and. I was thinking.
Today, because it happened for the second time today.

(01:20:23):
And I'm like, you know, since I'm so woke, I wonder if like,
I'm supposed to be like, that was a joke.
I think everybody. OK.
That was kind of inflected. In your voice, but.
But I was thinking today. Am I supposed to be like combat

(01:20:45):
in this? Am I supposed to be like like
saying something because like I.Feel like you would you would
pop. Off to be honest.
I, I can so see you pressing somebody like somebody saying
that you'd be like, would you really, would you really like if
you got a call right now, like they called you right now and

(01:21:07):
they said it, you would just that's it.
You're done with them. All your plans, everything
you've done, never you never talking to them again.
They're not part of your life nomore really.
I kind of had that response the 1st.
Time the conversation came up, which was like a minute ago, but
today I was just like I just laughed and.

(01:21:30):
I didn't say anything. I just.
Laughed and just was thinking tomyself and I was like damn, I
wonder if that like because likeI didn't say anything to him.
Or I didn't. Like voice my disagreeance.
If is that a word disagreeance, it is disagreeance.

(01:21:55):
Yeah. I think it is OK, fucking win.
If. Like I'm a fake.
Person or if I'm. Like a coward or whatever.
First of all, I don't reason with fools.
Some people just take that as like.
A agreeance like non, a non answer is agreed, yeah, which is

(01:22:24):
kind of anyways continue. I don't need to go down that.
Hole well. That's the conflict I was.
Having in my head. But.
Yeah, man. You're so.
Silly. It's so silly I I find.

(01:22:47):
This so bizarre. I think that's very low
vibration. And I and I don't like.
Believe it too, by the way. So that like makes, I know they
believe it in their heart that that's what they would do, but I
don't believe it. Like you see them totally.
Caving. Oh, you're.
Going to have a hard time with it.

(01:23:09):
You're going to probably do a couple months of your toxic
bullshit with whoever you're going to be A and then shit.
Eventually you'll get over it. Because you're going to miss
them and you love. Them and yeah, you'll get the
fuck over. Well, you see, I would hope that
excluding excluding culture, religion.

(01:23:31):
Yeah, I would hope that would bethe case because.
Like I know unfortunately there are many people that that just
never happened and their. You know their.
Families, did you know, completely exiled.
That's actually a. Really good point and.
That that's actually a. Really that's that's actually a
real thing, but but since these people.

(01:23:55):
Are people that I would call friend.
Right. I, I don't.
I don't. Think they really have that in
them? So I like, I guess I'm like
having these interactions in good faith and assuming like

(01:24:17):
they're as much of the as a father as I think that they are.
So I'm like, yeah. Come on, you.
Think that because. There's a conflict of like your
ideology. Yeah.
But like, we're talking about matters of love.

(01:24:37):
Give me a break, dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, well, here's the response you gave a couple minutes.
Ago is. More like the the one I had the
first time around where like I told my boy, I'm like, I'm like,
you're ridiculous. You're absolutely ridiculous.
First of all, First of all, you're really going to sit here

(01:24:58):
and tell me that you give a fuckabout who your kids are fucking?
Because I'm telling you bro, I could give two fucks now before
and tomorrow the next. Day next.
Fucking year. I don't care, I don't care.

(01:25:20):
I don't care who they're kissing, touching, poking, I I
don't care. That's literally none of my
business now and forever. Leave me out of it please kids.
We really care like. Who?

(01:25:41):
Who was? That invested.
Into their children. 'S sex life besides maybe like
teaching them good responsible habits and like educating them
and making sure that. They're like.
Respectable people outside of that, like who is actually that

(01:26:04):
concerned with their children's sex life?
Sex life? Because it seems a little weird
to me, if we're being honest. So it's also a great.
Ave. To take for it.

(01:26:25):
Yeah, like at what point would you just let them be?
An adult like, well, you're going to police.
Them until they're 60. You know what I mean?
Yeah, like. What Your your your your
daughter? 'S like. 42 and you're going to
be like, you better not be fucking them women.

(01:26:50):
Like, you know what I mean? Like it?
Was. Because I also think that it's
like, that's like one of those. That's like one of the things
it's like there's going to be a point where they become so much
of an adult that this, I mean, Idon't know, I would imagine that

(01:27:17):
this idea of like you trying to like control their life is like
a non factor even in anymore. And like this idea of like who
they're sleeping with should like just completely go out the
window because it's now you're talking in your mind, like the
kind of conversations that you have with them would be
completely different because they're like deep in adulthood,

(01:27:41):
like you that I. The things that you.
Actually care about are no longer like you trying to shape
them into an adult. It's like you're relating to
them about having to like be an adult.
Yeah. At which point, like, you can't
still be. Policing them like that, there's

(01:28:04):
no fucking way. No, I agree.
With you, man, it's nonsense. First of all, you can't shape
them into something that they'llnever be right because.
Let's be honest. We don't ever become adults, we
just get more responsibility andanxiety like we're all still.

(01:28:26):
The same little. Anxious kids that we all have
always been. Yeah, and like.
For me and my. Kids, or at least you know, my 4
younger ones, I, I, I, I did better with for them.
Like, well, really for all of them, but like I got to exercise

(01:28:47):
it with them. It's like it's more important
for you. To just be.
Who you are and we'll deal with how we can be the most
responsible with whatever that is.
Yeah. And like, I don't know, like
there's just a. Lot of shit.

(01:29:08):
That's like so taboo that I justtry to not let be taboo and and
my. Family.
And being gay, I guess was. One of them.
'Cause it's weird, right? It well, no, it's not.
Weird. It's, it's, it's different in
the sense that like, like. I have a gay.

(01:29:31):
Daughter. Mm, hmm.
It's you can't say that. You knew or that we knew she was
gay at three years old, right? Because like.

(01:29:55):
What 3 year old? Is like sexually active.
Or interested and. Such right?
But. Like.
When I'm faced. With my teenage daughter and she

(01:30:16):
is clearly expressing her way, her herself in certain ways.
And I'm like, well, yeah, that'sgenuine because like this
personality. Of yours that you.
Got like you've always been thisway.

(01:30:36):
So like, it's not even. Like some big hurdle.
You have to get. Over.
Honestly, maybe, maybe, maybe it's a big hurdle you have to
get over if you find out when they're 23 and they come out the
closet and that's how you find out and that's how it's all

(01:30:57):
handled, right. Maybe it's some big hurdle for
you then, but like that's that'sso shameful because like if you.
Would have just created. The space for your children to
just live their truth the entiretime they're trying.

(01:31:20):
To figure it. Out like then it's just normal
life, there's no hurdle to get over it does that make?
Sense. Am I making sense with that?
Yeah, it makes a lot of. Sense I'm following.
Completely I remembered to go a little.
On a little tiny tangent. In high school, well, I had this

(01:31:44):
one friend, right? And his name was Jordan, and he
was my friend from like third. Grade all the way through.
Graduating high school, even after high school, I haven't
seen him in a couple of years though.
But he's like gay. He's he's like super gay, like

(01:32:05):
super super gay. And.
So happy for it and slow we knew.
It like. Grade you just.
Had that feeling it whatever. And so like, anyway, it wasn't
really that big of a thing to accept from him.

(01:32:27):
Like it was totally cool, like whatever.
And but I remember having a conversation with him.
I think we were like in 11th grade and I loved him so much,
not only because he was like. The.
Sweetest teddy bear ever and just a great friend but I also
loved him because he agitated myfather and father being a

(01:32:54):
religious culty guy and my. Gay best.
Friend like, and I mean like gaygay I'm trying to express like
the level of flamboyancy that this, this, this beautiful gay
man had and he, he was goth so he would like he would, he would

(01:33:16):
like shave his eyebrows and likedraw them on and he had like 8-9
inch jet black Mohawk that was like.
Spikes. I mean just.
Fool out Goth and he would come pick me up for school every

(01:33:37):
morning because he had his license before the rest of us.
And my dad would be getting off of work and I would watch from
the kitchen window because like,I knew it just burned my
religious father up so much inside.
Oh man, I know I used to bring. My gay friends.
Home knowing that it was going to be a problem and my dad would

(01:33:59):
literally not only just kick my friends out, he would I he'd
kick me out too for bringing gaypeople into his house.
But I remember asking my friend like how his parents.
Responded. To him.
When they found out that he. Was gay because like I knew how

(01:34:22):
my father acted towards gay people and he's like almost
confused by my question and he'slike there was never no
conversation. I'm like, you never like talk to
your mom about it and like. Told her like, hey I.

(01:34:42):
Like I like boys and she's and he's like he's like, when did
you go to your? Mom.
And tell. Her that you were interested in.
Girls never ever like it's just assumed I guess or whatever, but
like that point hit me really hard like I really got what he

(01:35:05):
was saying. Pretty clear needs to be had
when people can just be themselves and.
Like it's safe and. Like there's love and acceptance
and understanding. Like, there's not even a what's
felt doesn't need to be said. Yeah.

(01:35:36):
But like, hey man, I like to write poetry.
But hey, man. You got to let us write some
poetry. I'm going to mention something.
All right, but I want to go to aspecific place with it.

(01:36:01):
OK, Obviously like the Charlie Kirk shit happened, right?
I want to talk about something that happened a couple of.
Days before that that. Like I don't know it was like
this validating. Moment for me, right?

(01:36:23):
'Cause I, I always tell people Imaybe it's just me.
It's, it's something that I liketo do, but I try to encourage
people to do it too. But if they do it or not, like
that's none of my business. But I'm big on listening to

(01:36:44):
people. That I absolutely hate.
And I find that I learn. A lot.
At least about how I feel, I feel stronger about how I feel
or I learn better about how I feel when I listen to people
that I strongly disagree with. And although it's like hard to

(01:37:07):
do sometimes, like I think it's really, really beneficial.
And. I caught my daughter doing it
and I'd. Like I swear to God.
I was so proud and I was like, damn.
Like I never told her to do it or anything.
Like listening to somebody she doesn't agree with.

(01:37:29):
Yeah, like it. It and she said that Yeah, you
asked. Yeah.
I'm in the kitchen making. My lunch for work, right?
And not like I just been, I justwent on.
This whole conversation about gays.
My daughter is gay. She's a 13 year old gay girl.

(01:37:51):
And I say that for context. Because.
I'm making. Lunch.
In the kitchen and I'm listeningto Charlie Kirk coming from her
bedroom. That's not the.
The voices that like. I expect to hear something.

(01:38:12):
I see what you're saying. You know what I mean?
Yeah. OK, so like I was.
So stunned. By or confused by that, I had to
go ask her. And I went in there and I'm
like, who you listening to? And she's like Charlie Kirk.
And I'm like, you listen to Charlie Kirk.
And she's like, yeah, I'm like, you know the things he talks

(01:38:33):
about. And she's.
Yeah. And I'm like, you like him?
And she's like, no, I don't really like the things that he
says, but I, I, I find the conversations to be really,
really interesting. And I was like, you fucking go.
I don't. Know I was really like.

(01:38:54):
Really proud of that. And then a couple of days later
that shit happened and like. I had to text her and I'm like.
Yo, this just happened or whatever.
And then we had like a little talk about it.
It was fucking crazy. And but man, I was so proud of
her. Yeah, that's.
That's big. Being able to we've we've done

(01:39:24):
this like self. Meditative practice now for
years and years, but like, intentionally so ever since we
we've met each other, like forcing ourselves.
Oh, man, it's so hard. Like nothing's harder than like,
even on a lesser extent, like not serious conversations about
politics. Yeah, just trying to listen to a

(01:39:47):
podcast episode where you just really hate how somebody sounds
or like the way they talk or theway the demeanor in which they
talk or, oh God, it makes it so hard to listen to an episode.
Like it's just like. You want to turn it off so bad.
And those are the ones where I'mlike, no, you can't do it.

(01:40:09):
You're not allowed to. I'm like, you have to sit here
and listen to it. You need to force yourself to
listen and finish this. Like the fact that you dislike
this so much is exactly why you need to listen like you need to.
You need to find a way to get through this like this.
Is not going to. This is not.
First of all, it's not the. Worst thing in the world for

(01:40:31):
you? To force yourself to sit through
and listen to this and to it's just a really good habit to be
able to get yourself to sit and listen even when, like your
internal mind is screaming. Like, I just want to turn it
off. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's good practice. You hit that on the head, bro.
And. That's how I feel at least it's

(01:40:51):
good practice because like I like how we're dancing around
this. The one thing that we've always
like talked about is or a value that I think me and you both
share or at least we talked about.

(01:41:11):
I won't speak for you. Is like the sentiment.
Of. Like if you.
Find yourself at a. Table where no one, not one.
Person disagrees with you? Yeah, you're in danger.
Like that's a dangerous place tobe.
In. And I think, I think that we

(01:41:38):
should allow it to be a part. Of ourselves to be able to have.
Difficult conversations about ridiculous.
Things or things that we find ridiculous.
Or disagree with. That's why people like debating
so much. Is because like.
That same idea of like how like being at a table with people

(01:42:02):
that disagree with you sharpens your mind.
In the same sense. Like you're just always talking
about people there agree with your points, you never.
Really get to strengthen strengthen your argument.

(01:42:25):
I feel like we should like it's so hard to I I like, I
understand, I. Get the.
Challenge, it's definitely so hard to, but there should be
like a, a degree of, of invitingit in.
And I guess that's what we're doing when we like listen to
podcast or shows or whatever that we don't care for or people

(01:42:49):
we don't care for. But just like in real.
Like real life shit. I had.
A. A small.
Note to. Add on to like what we're.

(01:43:10):
Talking about now because. Lex had.
Done a podcast episode back in June with UMM Scott Horton and

(01:43:33):
Mark Dubowitz and it was the Iran war debate.
They. Talked about nuclear weapons,
Trump, peace, power in the middle.
East. Now this debate was a four.
Hour and 10. Minute debate.

(01:43:54):
Originally, Holy smokes. Well, see.
That's interesting you say that because like originally.
I looked at it and I was like 4.Hours and 10 minutes probably
knocked this out in 2 days. Easy.
It took me two weeks to finish that.
Holy shit it took me two. Weeks to finish that episode

(01:44:20):
because. It was.
So difficult for me to listen toso I had to like break it up.
Into like little. Patches But I told myself I was
going to finish it like no matter what I was going to
finish it. So I would like listen to it
like 1020 minutes everyday. We got through it.

(01:44:41):
Oh yeah, I got through it. I just like I couldn't.
I couldn't do. More than that.
And it was just. It was, it was really just like.
The chemistry. Of the two and the topics and

(01:45:04):
the propagandizing. And just a lot of that stuff is
really hard to get through. Sometimes.
So like I really just struggled and the ironic part is like
what? What about the?
Propaganda. No, it's just it makes.
It difficult because yeah, I. Don't want to know the

(01:45:25):
propaganda. I'm I'm I'm really curious.
Like what's difficult about it? Like what bothers you about
that? Well, the guy I agree with,
right? The guy who I think.
Is speaking the most factually, Who is presenting the arguments

(01:45:46):
in the light that like happened based on the actual events and
not trying to like spin the narrative a certain way?
Yeah. Was the one that made it
difficult for me to listen to the.
Debate. The one who wasn't doing that?
No, the one that the one that I agreed.

(01:46:07):
With. Made it difficult to listen to
the debate because because. He.
Couldn't get himself to put up with the propagandizing from his

(01:46:30):
opponent. So like it just like the
constant interrupt, like he would interrupt him and like
start going off and like listingoff all these other situations
where like he's obviously spinning like BS or like
misrepresenting. Events and this and that.

(01:46:55):
So it wasn't, it wasn't the propaganda that you had a
problem. With it was.
Your dude's inability to deal with the propaganda that fucked
it up. Yeah, just like for me, my ideal
debate situation would have been.
Like one side presents their side the other.
Side presents their side, the other side presents their side.

(01:47:17):
The others go back and forth, have back and forth.
Not a like dog barking contest. Oh yeah, that's the fucking
worst. Like I don't, I don't need that.
Like it's really hard. To, but I mean it's.
Still good. I I still think it was a really
good episode. And honestly, like, I don't
blame people for getting to thatpoint.
Because like, when you're so passionate about things, like

(01:47:38):
it's bound to happen. Especially like if people are
going to sit there and tell you like things didn't happen a
certain way and you know, that happened a certain way, like
you're going to start getting emotional.
And yeah, so like, I don't, I don't blame anything for those
situations. Ironically, Lex.

(01:47:58):
Lex had him on. Again later.
In August. The end of August.
Yeah, the guy that I liked alone, huh?
Alone. Yeah.
Alone, I bet that was. A.
Better, better. Pod.
Yeah, he. Let him just like they did a
timeline. And it was like.

(01:48:19):
From X time period to X time period and they just went
through the he just went throughthe whole thing like a
historical timeline of how everything of Iran and a lot of
things. The episode was the.
Case against. War in the military industrial
complex. Oh, I seen that one.
Oh, you know what? It was six hours and it it.

(01:48:41):
Was it was really great. I I.
Got through that episode in like2 days.
I've seen that one and I might listen to it.
I it's. Been hard to listen to this
week. It was hard listening to things
cause I consume most of my podcasts at work and now I have

(01:49:02):
a partner right so. I've always had a partner on.
Wednesdays, but now I. Have a partner every day.
And what I would do is I always listen to podcasts, so on the
days that I'm alone, I save all my weird.
Podcasts. For those days like you're kill,

(01:49:26):
Tony. No, no, not, not like.
Like my? History Podcast.
And my political. Podcast and like my Woo woo
podcast, the Woo woo podcast, like all those things like I say
for when I'm by myself. And.

(01:49:46):
Because, like, I just don't wantto bore him.
And like, understood. I'm not going to make you listen
to five hours of the. Cuban missile.
Crisis. You know what I mean?
Like, I'm not going to do that to you.
So on Wednesdays when I'm with him.
That's when I save all my No Jumper episodes to catch up on

(01:50:14):
the academics the The Kill Tony.Like all the commercially fun,
entertaining podcasts. So now I'm with them every day
and it's like, damn, I have no time for like my nerding out
podcast. But Speaking of debates, I

(01:50:35):
should try to bring this up because this shit was hilarious.
I've been trying to listen. I've been Speaking of listening
to people you absolutely hate. There's a guy named probably
going to fuck this up. I think his name is David.
Wood, AH. Evangelical Christian debater

(01:51:00):
dude. I I think he's actually pretty
pretty rude and disgusting honestly.
But I listen to a lot of his debates.
One of my favorite. Debaters.
Is do you know Alex? O'Connor you do.

(01:51:24):
You don't. He's one of my.
Favorites and he. Did a debate finally like David
Wood was calling him out and finally he like went to the
debate and everything and I I bring this up because like we
were just saying talking about debates and I I hate that dog

(01:51:46):
barking shit like you mentioned yeah it's so fucking ineffective
and it just I really think it just it turns the right people
off yeah the. Only people who find, that's
what. Happens with me right it?
Like the only. I'm.
Sorry for sounding judgmental. But the only people who find

(01:52:08):
that entertaining low vibration.Thank you.
Low vibration. That's literally the.
Fucking words I was about. To say like but another thing I.
Hate. Is.
Especially when. Someone's like trying to have a
conversation with you in good faith with like factual data and

(01:52:34):
then like you're. Just like.
Insulting them. Or being sarcastic.
Or being. Rude.
Like it's just so distasteful and I didn't know this, but I
guess like there's AII really don't know enough to even speak

(01:52:55):
on it, but maybe there's something going on in England.
Maybe it's immigration topics, maybe it's religious or Muslim
topics. I don't know, but David Wood
said some shit about. Alex O'Connor being.

(01:53:18):
From England. And then he was like, he made,
he said something. Referring to a lot of Muslims
now and the way Alex O'Connor combated.
It when he went up. There like he he just like gave
him a Muslim greeting or he saidsomething that he was.

(01:53:39):
Like or should I say. And then he said a Muslim
greeting and it was like I couldunderstand.
What you're saying it was so I can imagine it was so good.
That sounds. Very handled with grace type
situation man. Alright alright I got it.

(01:54:00):
How the? Debate.
Is going to go. Alex for.
Finally showing up. You got to give me some wiggle
room on time, Rose. Or you can all quit cheering for

(01:54:24):
Alex. All right, well, I'd like to
thank Alex for finally showing up.
He's a month and a half late, but he finally showed up.
I'm teasing by the way. People have no clue how
dangerous. Debate con is.
Actually, with the lineup they had and the number and the
volume of death threats against multiple speakers.
So Plus, he lives in what is rapidly becoming the Sharia

(01:54:45):
compliant hellhole of the universe.
So good to take precautions. We don't want to lose Alex.
OK, so he says that. You understand that?
Yeah. OK.
Very insulting. Big.
All right. That is David.
Woods opening statement. And so we will give Alex a grace

(01:55:09):
period of one minute and 14 seconds.
Can everybody hear me through here?
Yes, David didn't factor in the.Clapping.
I always factor in clapping intothe.
Timing of my speeches. Good evening, ladies and
gentlemen. Thank you.
Or, as we say in England, Asalamour leg and.

(01:55:33):
Well played. Well played like.
Don't go to the bar. And argue about Israel.
And Palestine. Theo Von said some shit the
other day, right? And I haven't been watching his
shit lately but it came up in the clip on YouTube and he was

(01:55:58):
talking about people giving him shit for always talking about
Palestine. And he he was going on this
whole rant and was like how? How are you going to teach?
Teach us. Our whole entire life.

(01:56:18):
That when you see a genocide, say something, and then we see a
genocide and we say something and it's like why the fuck do
you keep talking about this? It's like, that's literally.
What you taught us to do. It's the biggest gaslight in.

(01:56:39):
History and I was literally drinking with my.
Buddies the other day and I'm in.
That's I'm in there fucking making that argument.
But it's true that because you know what?
They said they. I go in this whole.
Long rant about it, right? And my, my boy says to me.

(01:57:01):
He goes. Theo said it.
Well, that's a good one. He goes.
He's like, look at. All these.
Cultures around the world, right?
And how like they take pride in their culture and they like,
they, they like lock into their own culture and, and, and like,

(01:57:22):
it's really, really important tothem, right?
And like, they don't go outside their culture, they stay within
their culture. And like.
And he's naming different cultures that do that.
And then he's like, but why is it a problem that Jews do that?

(01:57:42):
And I'm like you've realized. That this whole thing has
nothing. To do with like people being
allowed to practice their culture or not.
Like this has everything to. Do with fucking people being
bombed and like we're watching it happen and then we're all
like, hey, hey, it's 2025 can welike can we figure some new shit

(01:58:06):
out to handle this? No, Now would be a great time.
Aliens. Right.
Can you y'all be the new shit for real disclosure soon.
Winky. Face fucking I do want to wrap

(01:58:32):
this up. Fucking I'm just going.
To say like. I I forget I was listening.
To Tim Dylan and he said something.
Oh my God, he was cracking up and saying something about.
He was like ranting off something about the dude who
runs Palantir doing like a. Five part lecture on.

(01:58:55):
The Antichrist, I'm just like, he's like, you know who would do
that? The Antichrist.
Like maybe don't do A5 part. Lecture.
Like. One would have been.
I don't think anyone would have said anything about one but.
The moment you were. Like, yeah, I'm going to do a

(01:59:15):
five part lecture. Everyone's like, wait a second,
what's? Going on.
What do you mean? Why do you?
Need to why are you talking about it that much?

(01:59:40):
You keep talking about this thing.
Are we sure you're not just trying to tell us like?
It's like OJ beat right in the book, like if I did it, If I did
it. Yeah, if.
No, he did what? If I no.
If I did it, I'm trying to think.

(02:00:01):
Of what it what he named. It.
Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because the gold. The gold.
Goldman's the. Goldbergs I don't know the the
family. Of the.
Victims when he wrote that, whenhe published that book.
They. Were awarded the the ownership

(02:00:21):
of it, the rights to it, and they change no they.
Didn't change the name of it. He I think the title was If I
Did It, If I did It and when thefamily got ownership of the book

(02:00:43):
they on the title they. Took the.
Word if. And they made it.
Super, super small. So when you're looking at the
book, it just says I did it. You know, people are funny
though. I.
I'm always amazed at how funny people can be.
You know something special man yo hip hop.

(02:01:07):
Is. You, you keeping up with
anything hip hop, you keeping upwith all this?
Young Thug shit. Not even a little thing.
No, I saw it on my feet. I.
It's about to be some bullshit, yeah.
Buddy. I, you know, I just.
I'm not. Going to.

(02:01:28):
Give an opinion on if. I consider what he did.
Snitching or not? But what I do want to say is
that I just thought it was super, super hurtful the
treatment. That he.
Gave Gunner. And how he.

(02:01:49):
Would have liked the world to have treated Gunner when in the
end, against his own wishes, he got exposed for doing the same
exact thing. Now.
I didn't think Gunner snitched so I guess technically I don't

(02:02:09):
think thug snitch but I think that that shit was just so
hurtful and I don't know if karma is real or not but what I
will say. Is if it?
Is this is a good example of it because Gunna is shining and

(02:02:32):
he's. Having a great run.
And Young Thug is just not having.
That same outcome. Give time maybe I I love a good
redemption story, I really do. But that's just man, that sucks.

(02:03:02):
That sucks. That really does suck.
I'll go country, yo. But man.
Little Woody, he released a video because man, that shit
gave me chills because you know the the.

(02:03:24):
Little Woody character. And the whole Young Thug
situation. But I guess his daughter was
getting. Surgery.
Like a upcoming day, some serious surgery.
And thug. Said publicly, I guess, wished

(02:03:45):
harm upon her. In the surgery.
And a little Woody released likea video.
On all his social media to. Thug and that shit was crazy.
It was like, he says something. He's like.
I know everything's in God's hands and like.

(02:04:07):
The the the Lord will work out what he'll work out.
But. And then he said.
But I'm telling you, Thug. My daughter has.
Surgery tomorrow and when? She comes out that surgery.
If I hear her cry. Once.
For any reason your ass is mine.Yeah, not.

(02:04:31):
If something happens to her. But if she even makes a peep, if
she. Cries for.
Anything I'm on you and like what's crazy about that is like

(02:04:52):
there's just something spooky about an actual murderer calling
you out by name and telling you like if XYZ.
Happens like. That's your ass.
Yeah. What ass?
Fucking bananas they've been playing with.
Fire. Couldn't be me.

(02:05:15):
Right. Because you wouldn't involve
someone's kids, right? I wouldn't even.
Just be playing with. People like that like.
You just play. You playing with the wrong
people. Like stop.
Yeah. Yeah.
Dirk Dirk's trial starts in January.
That's going. To be interesting, I think
there's a snitch. Anyway, I'm sorry you wanted to

(02:05:39):
wrap it. Up and I brought up hip hop.
I wanted to. Bring up some common ground.
Although you. Don't You're never entertained
by the the size of hip hop. That I.
Find myself in the Criminal Court system.
Oh man. Oh.

(02:06:00):
Shit. We can wrap it up, but I.
Want to say. If I sounded like a fucking.
Asshole in any part of this episode, I'm sorry.
It's no excuse. I I just worked 42 hours.
And three days, yeah. He's out here grinding like a
maniac and in two hours I'll. Be awake for a full 24 hours.

(02:06:25):
I'm fucking blitz dead exhaustedand out of my mind a little bit.
I may be a little. Temperamental for no fucking
reason at all. Do some writing when you get
home. So to that I I'm.
Very sorry, maybe. Being a little less exhaust,

(02:06:47):
exhausted I I. Would.
Produce better content or less problematic and I thought.
It was a really. I thought this was a fucking
amazing episode. I do too.
Actually, it was it was pretty and I love the vibes.
Like this is like see. I can record like this like
every night. Like I love this.

(02:07:09):
This is a vibe. This is a vibe.
I just love this. Like.
This. Looking out, seeing the stars.
Listening to the crickets, hopefully they're not way too.
Loud on the fucking. You can fucking listen to audio
line crickets all going crazy. You're definitely want to hear.

(02:07:30):
That yeah, I love that shit though.
Oh. Yeah, I grew up hearing that.
Noise. I know so many people.
Have right but like for some reason.
My nana's house. Had hell of crickets in it all
the time. I mean, it wasn't the cleanest

(02:07:51):
house and not that she's dirty or whatever, but like the house
is old. So like, you know, like a house
with old windows and old door frames and like, you know,
critters have all kinds of like ways of getting in the house.
So it was always fucking crickets, these big big black

(02:08:13):
crickets all over the place. They used to jump on me to freak
me out. Yeah, but you would you'd.
Be laying in bed at night like this, right You'd be laying in
bed and like. There's a difference when you
hear the crickets outside your window, Yeah.

(02:08:34):
And then when there's a cricket under your bed in the corner,
yeah, you know. What I mean like.
It's exactly, Oh my gosh, so much of that.
A very special. Episode of both therapy.
Multiple episodes of both Therapy maybe?

(02:08:55):
A wonderful episode of this. Well.
I guess that. Goes to my temperament to.
My anxiousness for my dental surgery this weekend but.

(02:09:16):
So we. Wanted to record ahead a.
Little bit just. In case recovery time takes a
little longer than expected, we weren't going to split this into
two, but I really think that. This was like a fire ass
episode. And like, even though it's two
hours and 1/4, that's a lot. I think I think it's a fire

(02:09:44):
episode by. Itself.
As one. Anywho, love you guys, take
care, it was a really good episode.
I'm really stoked.

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