June 4, 2025 • 75 mins
During the latter half of the 1800's. At a place, where the central railroad meets the Delaware River, was a small bayside town dubbed 'The Caviar Capital of the World'.
At the peak of the towns success there were over two dozen wholesale caviar companies and over 400 fisherman that worked and lived in town. The caviar industry flourished so much here that it could be compared to the gold rush of other times and made New Jersey the biggest export of gourmet caviar.
By the early 1900's the Atlantic sturgeon that flourished along the Delaware bay had been overfished and the town slowly dissolved back into the bay.
Today all that is left is the beaches of formal glory.
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Episode 94. You got to speak up, big dog.
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ready to go into this mono like real chill vibe.
It's a vibe. This is the vibe.
This is the vibe is real. Absolutely a vibe where.
Where are we? We're by the by the what?
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By the water. We're by the water.
This is this is paradise at home.
I fuck with it. Yeah, this is somewhere me and
my family frequent a lot. Bayside, but right where we're
sitting a few centuries ago. You might need to speak up.
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Maybe, maybe, maybe the beginning of the last century,
there was a boom. This, this was there was a
booming Bayside town here. The town was called Caviar.
Oh, we had a There was a boomingcaviar industry here.
So the town was called Caviar and they.
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They sold caviar, Yeah, it was abooming industry, OK, which went
out of business. When we caught, we fished all
the sturgeon. Damn.
This, this, these waters right here, flourished wood sturgeon.
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That's why there was such a booming caviar industry.
Here I didn't know that. And then you see all those woods
sticks sticking out there. Yeah, that's what's left of a
Marina. And the guy who owned that
Marina was Goose Goslin. And he was a Major League
Baseball player from Salem, NJ, back in the day.
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I'm not sure what teams he played for but when he retired
he he bought a Marina here and he rented out boats for people
to go out on the on the Bay. Wow.
Yeah, and one time me and my sonwas out here at low tide and we
were walking these beaches and he found a button, National
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Guard button to a soldiers uniform, right?
And the date on it said it was PA National Guard and the date
was 1894 ish. Well, I dug into it a little bit
and that button was the button of the uniform for the
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Pennsylvania National Guard whenwe were in the American Spanish
War. About 10:00-ish miles up the
river here is P Patch Island, which was military prison in the
middle of two Army forts, one being Fort Mountain, Pennsville,
and the other one being Fort Delaware.
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On the other side, the Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania
National Guard was stationed at P Patch Island during the
American Spanish War or the Spanish American War.
And this was a booming seaside town.
And there was ferries that came up and down these rivers.
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And in my romantic mind, I'm like, there was this young
soldier who had the day off and he caught the ferry down the
caviar and maybe he met a young beautiful girl and he walked the
beach. And maybe they like passionately
was making out. And in the midst of all that, he
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lost his button. And hear me and my son 150 years
later, walking the beach and we find his button.
That's a beautiful, that's a beautiful way to think about
that. That's a beautiful way to think
about that. I think I like that your mind
goes there because my mind was so much more boring.
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My mind was like, people were soprobably so poor back then that
instead of like throwing coins in the well, you use the metal
off your off your coats, off your butt, like a button off
your coat to make a wish in a little water.
Yeah, maybe he was making a wish.
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Maybe it was the button his grandpop gave him and it meant
so much to him and he it was theonly thing he had to wish on.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, you never know.
This is. Why?
We're good writers. What you mean This is why we're
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good writers. Because we can like on improv,
just imagine stories. Yeah, yeah.
Do you remember like some of thefirst times you talked about
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your son and bringing your son out here, right?
Yeah. Do you remember some of the
first times as a kid when you were brought out to a beach?
Like, do you have any memorable memories as a kid being on a
beach? Yeah, Yeah.
Sure, like going to Florida. Hell yeah, dude.
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Or going to Wildwood for like a big Wildwood day trip in the
summertime was like a yearly thing.
OK so I remember Wildwood days being like we'd wake up early as
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fuck in the morning. Hell yeah.
And we would go down to the beach because the rides don't
open up till the afternoon. So we would go in the beach in
the morning time because that was not the hottest part of the
day too, and play in the ocean and and the sand and shit all
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morning long. Then we'd go get cleaned up.
I always remember going to a pizza place called Hotspot.
Hot. Spot.
Yeah, there's like 5 of them on the boardwalk.
OK, Hot spot. Hot Spot 1/2.
Three, they're still there. Yeah, they're all there.
OK, I've taken my kids there to eat on our Wildwood.
Days How was that like did was that super nostalgic to bring
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your kids there for like the first?
Time for me, yeah. Yeah.
It was just me though. No one else had this like of.
Course. But we would, like, get cleaned
up, go get lunch at the hot spot.
And then that was when it was time for rides.
And my mom or my Nana always bought us the wristband.
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Yeah. Yeah.
But I was, I was, I was a scaredy cat as a kid.
Me too. So like, it was really hard to
get me on the roller coasters. I was afraid of Ferris wheels,
heights. Oh, I think I would do the
Ferris wheel. But I was really scared of a lot
of rides when I was younger. But the beach days were always
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fire. Hell yeah.
You ever go fishing on the beast?
Like catch a big fish when you were a kid.
I've never, you know, I've been fishing a lot of times in my
life and I don't know if I don'tknow if I've ever caught a fish.
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I think we need to go fishing. We should.
I haven't gone fishing in a longtime.
I should. We got to plan a day where it's
like me, you and Crunchy and thethree of us go.
I haven't been out to 40s Q in like 10 years.
It's been a long time since I'vebeen out to. 40s Q Yeah, that
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was so cool. There was some out there in the
water. Yeah.
I don't. I couldn't make out what it was.
There it is. It's heads back up again.
It's pretty long. Whatever it is now, just dive
back in with. You.
Yeah, so. I'm out, up now he's back.
Yeah, I see it. What is that?
It couldn't. I don't know.
It can be a log. I can tell you a pretty cool
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story about being out here. Is there otters out here?
It could be an Otter laying on that's.
Kind of what it looks like rightfrom out here.
Looks like a big like an Otter that suckers look you.
See that? Nice.
It's definitely Otter. Or something.
It's gotta be something like that.
Yeah, definitely, because it definitely just went under.
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You know, just one time I was out here, I was tripping and it
I tripped out. Did I tell you the sea turtle
story? No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
No, Oh man, I'm definitely, I'm definitely tripping, right.
And I was sitting here debating for a second how deep I wanted
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to go into the back story, but it's not really necessary.
I was out unnecessary information.
Yeah. Oh look, there it is out.
There, Yeah, Yeah, No, no, no. You cool?
Yeah, I see. But it looks like it's a couple
feet long and that's what like Ican't make out what animal that
would be that big at like that size because it's pretty long.
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It's. Gotta be Otter.
What if it was a seal A? Seal might be a seal.
I don't know, isn't water too warm air?
They wouldn't like this water. Don't know.
I mean it hasn't really been hotout.
We've had like a very late. It's heading to that island, so
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let's just keep an eye on it. Yeah, you're right.
Oh, I'm interested. I'm watching it.
Listeners are like. It looks like it's going
underwater to like swim further over and then it comes back up.
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Oh, now it's gone. We gonna.
See, I don't have I don't have the God phone on me the.
God Camera, this is back up. With the big zoom.
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Oh my God, it's messy. Has a really big wake behind.
It that's what I'm saying, I just went back under unless it's
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there, this is back up. Rolling.
Around. Nah, man.
I got it. I remember whenever I would go
fishing with my dad, it'd be it'd also be very early in the
morning and then we would eitherstop at Wawa.
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Or there this is out the water now.
Is out the. Water.
Yep, it's on the side of that little island over there, I
think. Yeah, I think I got it.
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What is that? Is that a cat or something?
Nah. Oh I was just about to talk
about sea turtles and I just seen one pop it's head up.
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Are you, are you talking about like right there?
Yeah. Maybe it's a Beaver.
It's gotta be something. Well, I'm gonna wait for the sea
turtle to pop it's head back up again so I can point it out to
you. And we would stop by the bait
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shops early in the morning. Yeah, way out the 40s Q.
That was always fun. It's like 6-7 hours of fishing
out there early in the morning for SKU, for sun comes up,
everything's calm. There's a sea turtle just stuck
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its head up out there. I'm looking, I don't.
See it? Oh, you see where these woods
are sticking up here? All right?
If you go out like 11:00 and just follow the water, you see a
black speck sitting in a while Up He just went.
He just went back down. All right, hold on.
I'll point another one out to you.
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I remember I was. I was in the middle.
I was about to tell you that story.
The first time I seen him. Yeah, I was tripping.
That was a funny day, man. What do you think it was?
Well, it was like, it was like just one of those days and I'm
like, I need to take a drive. And I went down like all along
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the Bay of South Jersey before, like Cape May.
And I was just really stoned andI was sitting out by the water,
you know, one of those types of days, the reflecting and
everything. I remember I was driving out
there and every like, water spotto stop.
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There was this lady, this, this girl sitting out there.
And she would just be staring out into the sky looking serious
as hell. And I remember thinking, every
time I pass by her, I'm like, yo, I feel you, girlfriend.
Like we out here trying to find something.
Yeah, we trying to find something.
I swear every place I stopped that bitch was there.
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Yo I'm like yo, I feel you dog I.
Feel you on a journey, but I mission to find something.
I'm sitting here next to the water, Right there it is.
Look at the sticks sticking out the water.
You see it up now? Just keep looking at it and give
it a couple seconds and he'll pop his head back down.
Yeah, there he is. He's gone.
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So I'm sitting out here by the water and I'm staring at the
water as we are now and I see that and I'm like, what is that?
A stick? And I write it off as a stick,
right? But then I look like a couple
feet over and I noticed it againand I'm like, what?
I didn't see that there a secondago.
And then it disappears. And then a couple seconds later
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over here, it pops back up again.
And I'm like, am I really just like stoned?
And then at 1.1, that was like close to me, like I'm staring at
this thing because it just lookslike the end of a stick, like a
wet stick. And I'm like, I feel like the
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stick is staring back at me. And it would drop his head down
and then another one would pop up.
Over here, because it was. It was a turtle.
And I was tripping, man, becauseif they told you we got sea
turtles in South Jersey, you'll be like, get the fuck out of
here. They actually they nest here in
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the Bay. Oh, that's right.
That's right down. Down.
That's why a lot of times when you like some beaches you go to,
they'll shut the beaches down there, like tape them off during
certain times when the the turtles are nesting.
OK, Yeah, sometimes they do it when certain birds are nesting
as well. Yeah, that's the that was the
big thing in 40 skew was the horseshoe crabs.
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Horseshoe crabs nest. They nest there too as well.
Tape it all off. You can't go on the beach or
like on certain parts of the beach, or you can't go out on
the jetty. Yeah, you know what really
grinds my gears? What I like to go out to the
Bluffs and there's like a preservative and nature
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preservative out there, right. And certain times of this, huh.
Preserve. Yeah, preserve.
Thank you. Certain times of the year you go
out there. What did they got on these
microphones? They're arrest you just on that
one, yeah. What?
Are you doing? But certain parts of the forest
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they'll tape off and they'll puta notice up right?
And it's like, please don't walkthis specific trail from this
state to this state because certain certain birds are
nesting and the noise scares them away.
And like we're, they're trying to keep an eye on like the
population and everything. OK, OK.
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And The thing is, they're not really going to ticket you.
There's nothing the law can really like do about it I guess,
but and there's no one really out there to stop you from doing
it. This last time I was out there,
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we get to that part of the trail.
Me and the kids, we want to go that way.
Bad as fuck because there is an abandoned like piece of
warehouse down there by the water.
There's a like a piece of abandoned warehouse down there
by the water. Excuse me.
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So we've really wanted to hit that part of the trail that was
like the part we were looking forward to the most.
But we get to that, that tape and that sign.
And I read the sign of my kids and I'm explaining to them I'm
like, as bad as we want to go dothis, like it's important that
we follow the suggestion like because of nature, because of
the birds, like we want, you know, the population to be
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healthy. It's our responsibility to care.
As I'm explaining this to these kids, 3 old ass white women walk
right by me. Stop, read the sign out loud and
keep on walking on that trail. And I'm like this is an example
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of what you don't do. Like This is why it's important
we do what the sign says. These people like these people.
Just don't care much harder. And you know what it is too what
really grinds my gears? I'm sitting here thinking about
it. Here's the bit entitlement.
Here's the IT is entitlement. That's exactly what it is.
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But the bit in it is this is that those fucking crunchy ass
white women. Granola eat an ass, mother
Granola eat an ass, motherfucker.
Trail mix making motherfuckers. Yeah, probably act like they
love Mother Nature so much all we're going on our hike.
They dress like fucking trail mixie and motherfuckers too.
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Meanwhile it's more important towalk your trail.
They care about the nature, thenactually care about the nature.
Yeah. Anyway, I digress.
That's not, it's, it's funny because like, you know, like
some stuff going on in my personal life right now.
And it's like I'm out there taking care of the stuff with
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my, with my mom, right. And the whole time we're doing
it and clipping and whatever else, she's apologizing to the
bushes, to the trees, like with tears in her eyes.
Yeah. And I'm like, she's like, I just
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don't understand. And I'm like, well, it's because
they only care about their religion or ours.
Because to her and many other people like her.
Yeah. What she's doing is hurting
living things like might as wellhave a soul too.
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Right. Like, and I I I compared it to
like, don't, don't be like that unborn person.
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And it's like, OK, can't kill that.
It's like, but what she believesin that trees a person, that
Bush is a person. Like you're telling her she got
to go kill all these people. Like you're going to scar her
mentally, like you're messing her up emotionally.
I don't care about that. And I actually don't even have a
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right, but I'm not going to get too much into it.
Like they're actually out of bounds.
But we're making compromise to try to be the good people we
are. Yeah.
Crazy, crazy. Do you ever find anything cool
on a beach like other than the button?
I've found so many cool I've. Always I want to go somewhere so
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bad. It's like one of my on my bucket
list. It's not like a bucket list
bucket list, but like I so desperately want to find a shark
tooth. Like my whole life, I grew up in
Florida. I was in the beach all the time.
Like we would go down in the beach almost like multiple times
a month all the time. I've never found a shark tooth
my whole life. I so badly want to find a shark
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tooth that is on my list. I think I know.
I know a couple beaches that arefamous for finding shark teeth.
Like you can just stroll throughand find them.
I want to find one so. Bad.
So bad just so I could like, cross it off.
Yeah, be like I did it. I found one finally.
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It took me 29 years, but shit, I'd be happy to finally, uh,
finally get one for myself, probably.
Making Have you found anything cool on the beach?
I found tons of shit. I've always wished, like, I
could find like a Pearl. OK, like a real deal.
Yeah. Like a Pearl or two.
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When we lived in Florida, The, the, the scallop shells.
So pretty. Yeah, so pretty.
All the purples and the oranges and the scallops in Florida,
like when you find their shells intact on the beach.
So pretty. That and like the little baby,
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not sand fleas. They're almost, I don't know if
they are baby scallops, but they're like closer to clams I
guess. They're super small, but they'll
be like almost like fluorescent purple, like the really pretty
color. You know what I'm talking about
like the little ones, little Oh my God, I, I feel like those are
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so pretty. My mom finds like we used to
find a lot of the like the conchshells, like intact conch
shells, stuff like that. Any standout things?
I, I can't remember anything like stand out.
Super crazy. I know one time caught a
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hammerhead. Baby Hammerhead.
Yo, for real? Yeah.
Off the beach in Florida, in Vero Beach, that was cool.
That was really cool. My uncle used to tell me stories
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about out here, out in 40 skew. My dad told me too.
We might have talked about this in the past.
Wheat Fish. I don't know well.
I'm saying that correctly. Wheat fish, wheat fish, that
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there used to be like thousands and people, you could literally
just go. There was no limit on how many
you could catch. And you could just go out to the
beach and people were just pulling in like coolers full as
a kid. Like you would just be out there
and people would catch them all day, filling the cooler stuff,
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filling the cooler stuff. And it's like, I always listen
to those stories growing up. And then I would be out there
with my dad or whatever fishing and just think to myself, like
why do people act in a way like there's no consequences to their
actions? It's like now I'm sitting here
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kid fishing in the same place. Like y'all had the luxury of
fishing and when you were kids tell me stories about how they
used to just people were pullingthem out by the cooler full.
Yeah, but like what did you do to preserve it?
Because like now I'm out here and you're out here with your
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kid and it's like we got fish like 8 hours to catch 1 fish for
real. It's like y'all really just let
that happen for what? It's just it's not.
It's like one of those things where it's like damn like nobody
thought about the consequences or just y'all just not care.
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Boomers don't look them towards the future.
That's a fact. That's a fact.
I have a funny fishing story. Yeah, yeah.
Short 1 I don't really have. I have one fishing memory with
my dad and I was an absolute terror for him that day down at
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Fortescue, I've told. That story terror is crazy.
I I've told that story on here before, but so I say that to say
that I don't really have like memories to go fishing with my
dad, but I always forget about my my grandpa.
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I called him Pop Pop because I did like a lot of cool shit with
him. But for some reason I've my mind
just never remembered something.Yeah.
I don't know why. Memory is so weird.
Like, I'm going to keep it superbrief so I don't interrupt your
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story for too long. I'm sorry.
Like, dude, you're talking aboutthis.
Yeah. And like, for whatever reason,
it's like, actively making me remember times in Estonia, like,
where I've been in forest walks with, like, relatives.
And they're, like, telling me about, like, very niche things.
And I'm like, I'm like, what a weird time to remember that.
Just like, I don't remember. I haven't thought about this in
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like 6 years. Yeah, yeah.
The memories just come out of nowhere.
You're like, oh shit, yeah, I did cool shit with him, like
going fishing. Like he took me fishing a lot
actually. And I never understood what
those moments were because I wasjust a kid and I had the fucking
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attention span of a snail. So fishing is painful for me.
I don't actually enjoy it at all.
I have more enjoyment watching my daughter fished and me
actually fishing myself. But I was probably a terror for
him too a lot of times. But I remember this one specific
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time we were fishing in the Delaware River, and he always
yelled at me to always to hold on to my pole, stop setting my
pole down places. Yeah.
Mine. My dad too.
My dad too. And man, I set it down one time.
I wasn't even paying any attention to it.
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I was like over here by the car fucking off doing something.
And I remember he yelled. You got some, you got some, get
your pole. And that just the pole was
laying on the ground. The pole just fucking shot
across the sky. Gone, man.
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No, dude. He's tragic.
That was the big one. That was that was the big one.
That was the record holder rightthere too, probably.
Man, that pole was gone quick too.
And he was like, didn't I tell you, man?
But you know what's crazy about that?
Yeah, he wasn't even mad. Nah, Nah.
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He he like, he was laughing about it.
He was very like, although he grew up in Salem, he was very
hillbilly ish. OK.
And Southern in his like what they call that twang, right, So
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the way he was saying things, but he just laughed about that
shit. He said.
Boy, didn't I tell you? Keep holding that pole, he'll.
Never let go of a fishing pole again after that.
He said. But let me tell you how US
branks improvise. He got screwdriver out his
tackle box and a reel of you know how the bait comes on
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those. Spool.
Yeah, and he put the screwdriverthrough the spool.
Yeah, OK. He baited it up.
He took it and he flung it out. He said here you go.
And I didn't like that at all. That wasn't very enjoyable,
right. That's.
Up my alley, My dad was kind of rednecky.
Yeah, I didn't like that shit. He was like, I bet you, I bet
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you hold on to your pole. Yeah.
Oh, that's funny. Good times.
That's funny, man. That's funny.
Yeah. I here, we're sitting here
talking about it. I'm like, it just makes me think
of like, all the memories that Istill want to make.
That makes sense. Yeah.
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I feel like there's like just untapped opportunities that are
just waiting to be had. You need to have some kids so
you can make some cool ass memories or fucking borrow mind.
Well, a lot of it's like, I think like with my brother, I, I
don't, I don't know what it is. I maybe it's because like he
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didn't get the, he got a different part of my dad, like
at a different time in his life.Hey, Dad a motherfuck.
Yeah, yeah. So like, I feel guilty.
Old older child syndrome is it? I think so.
We all we the like, it's crazy. I was talking to my sister one
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time about it, like Dick's the mom that I experienced is
completely different than like the mom my baby brother
experienced. Like the mom I experienced was a
teenage mom or a mom in her, a single mom in her 20s.
He's experienced like, you know what I mean?
He's experienced a 3040 year oldgot everything put together,
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woman you know. I think, yeah.
And I think about like, damn, like, my brother didn't really
get to have the same kind of opportunities to have gracious
memories of my father. The way I do.
So like, I spent a lot of time basking in these memories and he
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can't. Like I don't talk with him about
these things but he wouldn't be able to relate because he had a
different different side of likeon when my father's life was
falling apart. And like part of me feels like I
owe him these moments back as his older brother.
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Like, I should take him out on afishing trip, get a charter boat
one day, me and him just go out on a charter boat, plan a trip
where we go down to the beach 12:00 in the morning and stay
out there until, you know, one in the afternoon and go home.
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And that kind of stuff, all the stuff that he kind of missed out
on, whether he was too young or kind of just that part of the
life just never happened. Yeah.
Because I think it's important. I mean, if it was important to
me and he didn't get to experience it, it's only fair.
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I try to provide some of those moments to create memories for
him, too, you know what I mean? Yeah, I'm like shaking because
it's a little windy and cold. Yeah, yeah, a little bit.
Because I'm crying. I'm not crying, you're crying.
You ever been out on a charter boat?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fire went out on he.
He's actually been out on a charter boat, too, but he was
really young. We went drum fishing.
Oh. Shit, yeah.
And everyone caught drum except us, but one of the people on the
boat when they had one on the line let my little brother reel
it in and catch. Fire.
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Yeah, fire. That was cool.
That was cool. That was like one of those
moments where like just good humans, like just a humanity
moment where like they see a young kid, like being out there
with his dad and his older brother and nobody, like none of
us are catching nothing. And he's already got a couple or
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whatever. And he's like, he's like, man,
I'm gonna let this kid like try to get it itch for fishing.
Like get him, give him the bug. Give him the bug.
Like here you go, man. Just reel it in.
Like, yeah, reel it in. Experience what it's like to
reel it in. Hell yeah.
That's dope. I like when people do shit like
that. That's dope.
Don't doesn't take nothing, it'sjust a little bit of kindness.
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And it gives to everyone. Yeah, involved.
Yeah, it's a memory. It's a fun little memory.
The one and only time I've been on a charter boat was with the
same grandpop. Yeah.
Yeah, It was like, I think it was like my 12th birthday, OK.
He took me out for this queue. We got it on a charter boat.
It was a party boat. So like, there was a hell of
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people. Yeah.
Yeah. You know.
Yeah, yeah, I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I got seasick and I threw up allover the side of that boat.
That yeah, y'all getting out there on a windy day is crazy.
And they called me shark bait the rest of the afternoon.
I felt like, I felt like we was out on that charter boat and we
was getting tossed up like 7 feet in the wicket, bro.
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And just like free falling. I'm like, we can die out here.
I thought we was going to die out there, bro, Like 13 year old
me or 14 year old me, whatever. It was like I was like, I'm like
we're, we're never making it back.
We're never making about adults.Oh, he might got some.
All the adults were calm, cool, collected and like here I am
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over here like we're going to die.
Nothing. Did you?
We were talking earlier about like interesting finds on the
beach. Other than buttons, anything and
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cool. Oh, my daughter found a old ass
wooden bat on the beach one time.
OK. I mean, we still have it.
This thing's cool. Almost there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's cool.
Yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm big on likebottles, certain bottles of
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really like. My shit.
Depending on where they're from,Like old, old bottles, Yeah, I
don't know what. It is I.
Don't know why it's like a pieceof history, though it is.
A piece of history, but like. The significance?
Or at least the value. Of its.
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Significance doesn't. It there's nothing.
Right. So like it's purely passion and
maybe in a couple 100 years if like the next. 5 generations of.
Mine take care of them all. Maybe those be of some like
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significant value, but right nowat this like time in the world,
it's no different than like if Iwas collecting newspapers, like
at some point it's like, OK, this is a mental problem.
Like just I don't. Think of would call it that
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you're you're a history buff andI think things that relate to
your life and the place you lived history matter to you and
new. Jersey, and especially.
South Jersey have a rich glass making history facts that has
mostly gone away facts and should definitely come back
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especially with all the oh we should bring manufacturing back
to the US Yeah OK bring back South Jersey glass like yeah
bring back glass factories like making plastics terrible.
For you in place. Everyone's going to cans.
Let's just go back to Glass. Let's bring the art back.
The irony about cans is cans have.
Plastic on the inside of them anyways to keep the metal from
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corroding. Wax that wax plastic shit.
Yeah. Like that's not good that that.
Has that has micro plastics thatyou're getting in it too.
Like glass really is the the safest and healthiest option.
Interesting. Fact.
I agree with you. By the way, interesting fact, it
tastes better in glass facts, interesting fact and.
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If I'm wrong please? Someone point me out.
I kind of want to be wrong, but South Jersey is actually the
last place in the country that teaches glass.
Blowing as a. Curriculum like in trade school
or in school in. College in college, yeah, that's
dope, but I. I yeah, everything you said
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about glass industry, like as far as America's concerned, the
glass industry was birthed here in South Jersey by the Germans
and. Like my personal.
Tied to it is just that like my mother, my grandma, my grandpa,
like everyone just worked in glass houses.
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My mom's side of the family worked a anchor and then
stepdad's side of the family worked Wheaton's, which was just
the next county over. Wheaton Village is awesome.
Wheaton Village. Is still there.
That's a. Glass blowing, you know,
historical village. So a lot of the shit that I
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collect is when I find stuff from either one of those places,
it's really, really, really fucking cool for me.
And then also like I have like adeep love.
For. Baltimore and Maryland, so a lot
like if I find old McCormick bottles like mustard jars and
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shit, oh, it's always like like I get super pumped about that.
What's interesting is. I think that the original
McCormick. Building that was on the
Baltimore Harbor is like really cool and they knocked it down.
It's not there no more. It was over by Domino Sugar,
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another Baltimore staple. I think they knocked it down and
I think they built Under Armour Factory there, which is another
Baltimore staple. That would be such a dope shot.
Oh, bald eagle. That's fire.
That's fire, but what they knocked this this building down
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and when I always look up historical like pictures of it
and shit. Oh.
See if he catches. Some he's looking don't lose the
thought on the story. We're like squirrel or more
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bald. Eagle rather more.
Appropriately, it probably. Is she sees something because I
think the females get the food. But when you read like the, the
descriptions of this building, when you're looking at the
pictures and stuff of it, the, the locals always talk about how
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that whole, the whole they call that neighborhood Locust Point.
The whole neighborhood of LocustPoint would just smell like just
in the air would smell like the spices.
And what's crazy about that is McCormick actually moved out of
Baltimore and they moved up to Ithink they're still in Baltimore
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County, but they moved to hunt aplace called Hunt Valley,
Maryland. And I mean this.
Whole fucking town. Is nothing but McCormick
buildings and the one McCormick building that I delivered to is
where like all the scientists are, people are in white like
lab coats and they're in there figuring it out how to like bro
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this shit is. Deep.
Yeah, I bet it's deep. Yeah, I bet you gotta have like,
the security is like clearance crazy and they're trying to
steal the secret recipe. But you drive through that town.
Yo, for real. You drive through that town like
lunchtime and it's just like, all smells great, all the
spices. Are just like.
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In the air nice, I love it, but when I find.
McCormick. Bottles I trip, I really fucking
love, like finding, finding thatshit.
A lot of bottles on the beach. Buttons, that button.
That's probably the coolest. Should have found we were out
here one time. What, how, how, how far are we
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in 44 minutes in? I we could wrap up on this
story. I'm not pressed.
All right, we, we still, we have, we still got more than 3/4
of a battery because I got I gota good.
Oh, she catch on. Oh.
No. That's a snag.
I got a good. I got a good.
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Story or a good? Story for you to tell.
We were out here one time, out and about this area.
You were telling me about train tracks that ran through here.
Yeah. Out into the water.
Yeah. Well, pier, pier water.
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Now it's under the water, Yeah. But for.
Historical context, since we're already, you know, we talked a
lot about. Talked a lot about the the
history of some of these. Parts of this area, yeah, you
should get the back story on that, those train tracks.
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I don't know if it was South Jersey Railroad or West Jersey
Railroad. I love the pink.
It's beautiful, isn't it? You don't get to see this.
Backdrop that I'm seeing right now because you're facing the
other way, but it's just a lovely pink.
I'm sorry the this town caviar. The train tracks came out, came
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out to right here, which was like Piers and stuff.
So the train will come through passenger trains, but also for
the industry as well and will come right up alongside the
warehouses and for the caviar business and everything.
Yeah, yeah. Now there's a.
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Area over in Delaware called Frenchtown.
And the idea? It's somewhere, well,
Frenchtown. Isn't.
Somewhere over there in that land you see there, but that is
Delaware that you see in the far, that far land there.
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But one of the towns over there the Frenchtown Railroad is
supposed to pick up. So the idea was the train would
come here, then you would transfer to a ferry, take the
ferry across over there to Delaware, transfer back on to
the Frenchtown train, and then go into Frenchtown, which people
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really went to Frenchtown because that was the access to.
The north part of the Chesapeake.
Bay and then you could take another ferry down to Baltimore
or farther Washington maybe. What do you think?
Like do you have any opinions about like why everything kind
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of just stopped? What specifically stopped like?
I feel like I always hear. I wish I could do.
There's this like, beautiful backdrop.
I feel like I hear all these theothers.
The video gets it so much better.
(49:18):
See, it's so cinematic and then it makes it a.
Video I. Hear all these stories?
All the time about how New Jersey specifically had all
these industries, yeah. We drive.
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Around. Local, local history, all these
different areas, all these places here, right?
And there was so much industry. Here.
Yeah. Like, even in my dad's lifetime.
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I mean, my dad was older. He'd be pushing 70 right now.
And that's so gorgeous, dude. Look at that fucking sunset.
Look at that shit, bro. It's just so.
(50:25):
Pretty it is fire. It's so pretty, man, it's hard
to even concentrate. It's just so pretty.
It's just such a gorgeous shot. You hear the music.
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Yeah. Where is that?
I don't know somebody out in themiddle of the.
Well, we did hear that. Hear like a little.
Airboat or something, you know, tiny little boat earlier.
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Yeah, I have an opinion on it. And it's, it's just a shame
because like. It feels like whenever.
I we go. Around these places, it's it's
just ruins, yeah, ruins of like God, it's so fucking gorgeous.
It's so gorgeous, dude, God damn, it's so pretty.
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Umm, it's just. Ruins of like.
What? How?
Great air quote things used. To be how much money?
How much industry? How many jobs?
How much South Jersey? Had going.
For it. And and all I ever.
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Get to see and try to. Like put together like.
Fragments of like what it was. And then I look at like how
quickly. Everything is deteriorated just
everywhere. And it's like a side tangent,
but like I, I see actively, especially in South Jersey, how
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quickly like all these places that had dedicated industry just
disappeared and the buildings are some of them are almost
completely gone. Yeah, anything that's out by the
water is pretty much completely gone.
And then I think about like. Old civilizations.
And I'm like, Oh, yeah, there ain't no way.
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We'll never know. Yeah.
Like this idea that we're going to know what it what it used to
be. It's like, literally in my
lifetime, things have pretty much vanished off the face of
the earth. Like quite literally.
Yeah. Or in my in my own father's
lifetime. I just think it's a shame.
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It is. And very.
Much so with the glass. Specifically, I think that glass
industry should have never. That's something that, I mean,
it's hard to compete with how cheap plastic is, but the the
the thing, Yeah, man. Would Yeah, that's what killed
it was was plastic 'cause I remember as a kid, like my mom
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worked for Anchor and they had the contracts for the Pepsi cola
bottles. That's a whale, you know, So
when all the whales are switching over to plastic and,
and it's just like you can't, you can't compete with that.
Why is it that? There's.
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Places that never. Did the full conversion of
plastic like where like for example.
Like when we. Get imports from Mexico.
Yeah, imported. Sodas.
Are still in glass like they were here 30 years ago. 40 years
ago, Yeah, I'm not sure. I don't have any, you know what
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I mean? I didn't know.
That was the thing. No, you put me on.
So I'm like, what was the? Is it because they just have
more supply or like it would have there was no investment to
do the manufacturing conversion in those countries, You know
what I mean? Like, was it just more effective
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once the manufacturing changed here in the US to just export
plastic? You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, instead. Of setting up factory somewhere
else and then like. How ironic is it that we've.
Come full circle. We're sitting in South Jersey
glass. Left South Jersey.
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Because of plastic. And now we're in 2025 and
everyone's like. Micro plastics are terrible for
you. Yep, forever chemicals killing
your your endocrine system killing your reproductive system
killing like on average, there'sa study floating around out
(55:16):
there where it's like on averagesomebody living today, like a
young person living today has enough microplastics in their
brain. That if it was all put.
Together into a like one solid object, they would have a
(55:41):
literal spoon in their brain. Yeah.
And it's like we should never. We should.
Never got rid of glass. Like we should never.
We didn't have this problem withglass.
Like it's like we just, we were drinking out of a rock.
Like we were drinking out of a rock and we were like, Nah,
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let's start drinking out of chemicals.
Like that's a better idea. Like God damn the way.
Like that's why it is. OK, side tangent again.
This is not what? We talk about in my.
House a lot. We still use wooden and
stainless steel. Yeah, we have wooden spatulas,
wooden spoons and stainless steel.
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We don't use. Silicone we don't use.
Silicone because everyone's like.
Silicone safe. This is silicone safe.
Silicone safe. It's like they said the same
thing with Teflon. There was a whole.
Period. 20 years there where? They're like Teflon safe.
Like it's fine. You can use Teflon for
everything. And then it's like it turned out
Teflon had all these carcinogensin it.
(56:45):
They're giving people cancer, Jesus Christ, So.
Then Teflon went away now. You see Teflon on a you.
It's almost never you see Teflonon pans anymore.
Yeah. And it's like, well, what's
going to happen with? Silicone in.
Like 10 years. Like, what studies are going to
come out about silicone? Yeah, it's just crazy.
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To me how like. Consistently.
Not necessarily. Our country has.
Failed us, but like people have failed each other in.
This country. In the name of greed and and
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profit, it's the boomers. The boomers were running the
countries when we made all theseswitches.
You're right. But.
I mean, it's real. Like we constantly sell, sell
ourselves out in the name of greed and profit, jeopardize
everyone's health, poison a whole generation.
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I mean, before that it was the the it's like, what do you want
to blame boomers or because their parents had them all
fucking dealing? With asbestos and.
Lead and yeah, but they didn't know.
Yeah. At the time they.
Didn't know, some people didn't.Know there is definitely.
Some people that probably knew, I don't think so.
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I really don't think, I really think that like, no, I mean like
the people that made the products.
I really think. Like at a.
Certain point up until a certainpoint, they really didn't know.
Fair. Yeah, I know what you're saying.
Like science? Has advanced so much since then,
yeah, but nowadays it's like inexcusable facts.
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But. I'm no expert.
You take this. I want to lay this on you, but
you take it for whatever you think it's worth.
All right? I'm no expert.
We're just two dudes. Talking about shit we know
nothing about but I really dig. Watching like video clips of
like, believe it or not, there'sactually video recordings and
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stuff from like old men in the 1930s and stuff.
And they're talking about like what life was like growing up as
a little boy in the late 1800s and shit, right.
I like finding a little video clips like that and all
throughout history at different points in history and.
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As I'm only talking about the. History that can go as far back
as videos were invented, right? OK, I'm based off of that
information. I'm convinced that the worst
Americans in American history inthat time span.
It's a toss up between the adults that were running the
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show in the 1920s and the boomers.
It's like it's a toss up betweenthose two generations as being
literally the worst Americans out of all the generations.
Literally the boomers almost take the cake.
And I know like, most of the time we're like just doing bits
(01:00:08):
and it's really funny to clown on.
Boomers. But if you look at it
historically and politically, like America.
Was at its best. When the boomers took over and
it it's. Been a war.
Between those powers of that generation and the unions, and
(01:00:32):
it's literally like America's been on a downward slope since
the 70s. Like the?
Boomers, literally. Qualify as some of the worst
Americans. I want to put like a parameter
on that. And and to be clear and I'll.
(01:00:54):
Let you I'll let you do that to be clear, a lot of the shit that
we dealt with growing up and stuff is because.
Of the shit our parents had to go through.
Dealing with boomer parents whenyou talk.
About that I want. Them saying like not talking
about your emotions. I want to put parameters on it
(01:01:18):
so. Like we kind of narrow down what
specifically you're talking about because saying like
boomers were the worst people. Like I feel like it's better to
be more specific about what we're talking.
Are we talking about like caringabout their their neighbor?
Basically like the most selfish and least.
Empathetic Americans, yeah. Most self-serving.
(01:01:40):
Yeah. You remember how earlier?
We were talking. You were like, some people just
view things as like things are just things to be obstacles.
That's how boomers looked at every person in a thing is just
an obstacle of you and your world.
(01:02:00):
Whereas like our parents were the punk generation, Gen.
X, all that. And that's when, like, you got
some like Gritty push back, somerebel push back, you know what I
mean? And slowly from that point on,
starting with our parents, it's just more and more became, you
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know, more empathetic as a community.
I think my. Dad technically classifieds as a
boomer. For real.
Well, he graduated. High school in.
Like the 70s, I always forget that I have young.
Parents. No, My mom's young.
My dad was. Graduating high school and my
mom was being born. Oh shit.
(01:02:45):
So like. There's they have a big.
Age gap like my mom had me when she was 20 OK 21 and your dad
was like in his. 30s. Like late 30s.
Yeah, like mid. 30s, OK. And like I said, I think like
(01:03:06):
right now he would be pushing. 70 OK yeah, but my dad
ideologically. Was an.
Independent constitutionalist cared about Declaration of
Independence. We the people type American,
(01:03:27):
Yeah. Didn't like government?
Thought he should be allowed to do what he wants, build what he
wants on his land. Nobody can tell him what to do.
He's a rebel. Like this is America.
Like I, I can do what I want in this country as long I'm not
hurting, as long as I'm not hurting nobody.
And the government can't tell mewhat to do with my life or what
I need to do to my kids. Like there was literally a time
(01:03:52):
where my dad, I think I might have told this story before.
There was literally a time like back when swine flu happened
and. I was in high school or middle.
School and my mom was still going to Columbia and to
graduate from Columbia and he had put out a sign in front of
(01:04:15):
our house that was like 9 foot tall plywood by like 4 foot wide
and it said you in red paint said you can't make me vaccinate
my kids. And I sat up in front of our.
House, the house for like a month.
(01:04:37):
It was deep. Yeah, I remember the swine flu
it. Was right after I graduated high
school or maybe like towards theend of me being in high school,
were they pushing like the vac? Was there like a vaccine debate
like there was with COVID with the swine flu?
Was there a vaccine for the swine flu?
I think, yeah, because it was. H1N1 was the.
(01:05:01):
Scientific. Term.
OK, I think. Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know you. Definitely.
I'm trying to remember, it's been a while.
That was a long time ago, dawg. Almost 20.
Wait, that, that Yeah, almost. Twenty.
Yeah, that was a. That was a weird time.
Period. Because that was like my mom
would. Go to wait.
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Go. Away for school during the week
and she would only come home on weekends because she was
attending school in New York at Columbia and she would sleep in
the library throughout the week time and.
Then take the bus home to. Greyhound home on the weekends
(01:05:43):
so you was with. Pop all week.
Well, my dad. Worked on call SO.
He would. On.
A normal day, come home around. Like 7 o'clock 8:00 But if he
was on call, there's a chance like anytime through the night
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if something happened he had to go back out to Delaware.
God damn. Yeah, both my parents worked in
Delaware. I mean, my mom's almost been
work in Delaware 15 years. And you'd have to go back out to
Delaware to get. On the tugboat to go help out
with whatever boats were having issues on in the in the Delaware
(01:06:25):
River, yeah. So most of the time it.
Was just me and my little. Brother at home, right?
Especially during that time period.
My dad. Actually didn't let my mom.
Go to New York to graduate. Because it was the peak of
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swine. At the peak of swine flu and he
was worried about something happening to her in New York or
her getting sick And he's like, you're not getting sick and
dying and then leaving me to take care of these two kids so
he. Didn't let her go to New York
to. Graduate, She had to just accept
her thing from like, home, right?
(01:07:06):
I was a whole thing. Yeah, it's you.
Got a bit in that. I'm over here face palming like
the nerve of. That motherfucker my.
Dad, Yeah, yeah. You ain't leaving me here alone
with these two kids devastated. How you going to tell the girl
(01:07:29):
she? Can't leave you here with two
kids. Bounce on her in the meanwhile.
Yeah, yeah, this dude's dead. Now he bounced.
Her with the two kids to take care of.
Yeah, that's funny. I didn't think about that.
That's there's a whole funny howshit turned out Dad.
Funny how Shit. Turned out.
Oh man, yeah, that's funny. There's a whole bit, yeah,
there's a. Bit in there for sure for sure,
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dude, for sure. No, I really think that your mom
be. Coming up with some zingers and
you throw that bit in there, like from telling it that joke
from her POV. Yeah, you know what I mean?
And then all the other zingers she'd be having, your mom could
put together like a little half an hour special.
Yeah, for sure. My mom's, definitely.
Got like a whole fucking a wholea whole Netflix special for real
(01:08:15):
Unintentionally so just like it's funny like Estonian humor
is. Wait, does she ever graduate
though? Oh yeah, I mean, she graduated.
She just. Had to get her shit in the mail.
Yeah, she. Didn't attend the graduation
ceremony. Gotcha.
She bombed what she. Wanted to do yeah.
So she was bummed. Oh.
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Super bummed. Super bummed.
I remember, I remember. I'm trying to remember because.
She's working on her master's now.
There was also. A point.
Where like in Florida she didn'tshe got like a lesser degree or
(01:08:59):
something or she was working on working towards her a different.
Degree at Columbia. Because I remember having taken
photos of her in front of like, trees in front of our house in
Florida. Yeah, with her wearing like, a
gown and a diploma. Oh shit.
(01:09:20):
So that she could have photos. Of her in the, in the gown and
diploma or the, you know, the hat.
Yeah, yeah, and everything. It's been a crazy life,
definitely. Crazy life.
Pretty cool. Though a lot of stories.
To tell, Definitely not a boringlife, no one to remember.
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This is such a vibe as. You met.
I'm so happy we're doing shit like this is how this is like.
So this is just beautiful. This is beautiful.
I've always wanted to do shit like this.
This is just dope. Little cold next.
Time we need to bring extra jacket.
But it's just, it's nice, gives a little, you know, fresh air,
(01:10:08):
little scenery. It just feels like, weird, but
like, in a good way. Yeah.
It's like, oh, shit. You just really just pull up
anywhere and like just do some shit, record some shit.
Y'all could probably hear a hellof water in the back.
Around because the wind has picked up and the water is high
tides coming in, so it's just like.
(01:10:33):
That's funny, man. Yeah, it's probably.
Going to listen him back to thisis probably going to be
interesting. Yeah.
Oh yeah. That sunset was.
Really nice too, the tides. Coming in.
That's why you. Hear the the the waves louder,
Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah, man, this is a vibe. I went.
I went to. The I spent.
Memorial Day on the Susquehanna River.
Yeah, yeah, mean the fam explored from Safe Harbor Dam on
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the Conestoga River. Where the Conestoga I don't.
Think I've ever heard of? The Conestoga.
That's a fire name though. It's a native name that sounds
Conestoga sounds. Hard Conestoga were.
Were the Susquehanna people, which was we actually don't know
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what the Susquehanna SusquehannaNick.
We don't know what they're real like what they called
themselves. We only know what what the
Lenape name them and Susquehannameans the the people of the
muddy river. OK.
But there's a lot of. Polygraphs.
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If I'm saying that right, that the natives.
Like a lot of carvings and stuffon the rocks in the Susquehanna
and like, along. It's polygraphs, yeah.
This is a different kind of Hieroglyphs would be.
Egyptian polygraphs would be it did it, I just know it's.
Indigenous. Yeah.
Is that what the? Is that what the word?
Polynesian like stems from like a like a native island people
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you know, I don't know. You know what I'm?
You know the connection I'm trying.
To make like I see the connection Poly like.
People. Yeah, are like Latin for people.
I'm have to look that up. I'm not sure.
I'm like able to like. Block some of this paper wind
up. We'll end on this story.
Because it is getting windy. But yeah, we explored all over
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the con Nistoga people. I talked about them.
That was the people that the Packard boys, they like they
they massacred the Lenny Lenape.Jesus Christ.
Yeah, I we talked about this a few episodes back.
So we went up around that area and we ended up, we ended our
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day of adventures at a place called Indian Steps Museum.
And it's on the other side of the Susquehanna on the York
County side. And it was like a really big
house alongside the river with apark.
And it was just built with all these like Native things
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incorporated into it. There was a totem pole out there
and there was other totem poles in the woods.
And all along the foundation of the House of the house is like
was all the tribes and I found my tribe to Lenny Lenape and the
Delawares and it was to honor them.
And it was A and there was like these beautiful native
sculptures of like these really sad looking natives that will
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part of the door jam to the front door.
And it's humongous. And above it it that the house
was built by this white guy backin the early, late 1800s
sometime. And he he's built the whole
place to honor all the natives that was pushed out West like
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during that time. Period and.
Like my people, specifically theLenny Lenape and the Nanny Coke,
first they pushed us across the Delaware into Pennsylvania, and
that's when we actually joined in with the Conestoga and the
Susquehanna people. And then eventually.
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They just pushed us. All across the Susquehanna River
and then out into Ohio and then eventually they took that from
us as well. And that that leads us into the
French, the French American War where the natives, we didn't
know which side were we going tohelp the French or we going to
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help the British because really like we just wanted to help
whoever was going to like honor our treaties and let us have our
our home still. And neither one of them probably
ever was. And then?
And then they sit here talking about Emma Grass.
Yo for real episode 94 the birththerapy show.
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Here, Live from caviar. Here live from caviar love.
Y'all love you guys.
Yeah, all right. Testing, testing, testing,
testing, testing, testing. It'll help with the with the.
With the wind, Yeah, yeah, yeah.It looks so silly bro.
I should like this is this is funny.
It'll help though. It will help.
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It will help. This is what we got to do to
make sure the sound is right. You guys don't appreciate the
the ingenuity Jesus Christ. This is the.
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This is the. This is the.
This is. The this is show for me and my
Bros that tap into her emotions is cool to be going no ego
allowed. This is the place where the
mango and free your minds abroadand stress out the window hot
topics. Whatever is on your heart, in
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your mind, if that makes sense, speak about whatever.
No judgment, let it flow just like what the other bread you
get on my drift, a point of viewfor my lens and story and
glimpse. No feeling.
Say what it is undescripted. No need to watch what you said.
It's the truth verb. Pro therapy is the meds.
I said this is the pro therapy show.
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I said this is the pro therapy show.
This is that uplift to me that has you low.
This is that uplift to me that has you low.
I said this is the pro therapy. Episode 94 The Bro therapy show.
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Episode 94. You got to speak up, big dog.
Why would you do I need? No, no, you're good.
You're good. OK, wait, so if I got to speak
up, I. Got no, because I know you're
ready to go into this mono like real chill vibe.
It's a vibe. This is the vibe.
This is the vibe is real. Absolutely a vibe where.
Where are we? We're by the by the what?
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By the water. We're by the water.
This is this is paradise at home.
I fuck with it. Yeah, this is somewhere me and
my family frequent a lot. Bayside, but right where we're
sitting a few centuries ago. You might need to speak up.
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Maybe, maybe, maybe the beginning of the last century,
there was a boom. This, this was there was a
booming Bayside town here. The town was called Caviar.
Oh, we had a There was a boomingcaviar industry here.
So the town was called Caviar and they.
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They sold caviar, Yeah, it was abooming industry, OK, which went
out of business. When we caught, we fished all
the sturgeon. Damn.
This, this, these waters right here, flourished wood sturgeon.
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That's why there was such a booming caviar industry.
Here I didn't know that. And then you see all those woods
sticks sticking out there. Yeah, that's what's left of a
Marina. And the guy who owned that
Marina was Goose Goslin. And he was a Major League
Baseball player from Salem, NJ, back in the day.
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I'm not sure what teams he played for but when he retired
he he bought a Marina here and he rented out boats for people
to go out on the on the Bay. Wow.
Yeah, and one time me and my sonwas out here at low tide and we
were walking these beaches and he found a button, National
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Guard button to a soldiers uniform, right?
And the date on it said it was PA National Guard and the date
was 1894 ish. Well, I dug into it a little bit
and that button was the button of the uniform for the
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Pennsylvania National Guard whenwe were in the American Spanish
War. About 10:00-ish miles up the
river here is P Patch Island, which was military prison in the
middle of two Army forts, one being Fort Mountain, Pennsville,
and the other one being Fort Delaware.
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On the other side, the Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania
National Guard was stationed at P Patch Island during the
American Spanish War or the Spanish American War.
And this was a booming seaside town.
And there was ferries that came up and down these rivers.
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And in my romantic mind, I'm like, there was this young
soldier who had the day off and he caught the ferry down the
caviar and maybe he met a young beautiful girl and he walked the
beach. And maybe they like passionately
was making out. And in the midst of all that, he
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lost his button. And hear me and my son 150 years
later, walking the beach and we find his button.
That's a beautiful, that's a beautiful way to think about
that. That's a beautiful way to think
about that. I think I like that your mind
goes there because my mind was so much more boring.
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My mind was like, people were soprobably so poor back then that
instead of like throwing coins in the well, you use the metal
off your off your coats, off your butt, like a button off
your coat to make a wish in a little water.
Yeah, maybe he was making a wish.
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Maybe it was the button his grandpop gave him and it meant
so much to him and he it was theonly thing he had to wish on.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, you never know.
This is. Why?
We're good writers. What you mean This is why we're
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good writers. Because we can like on improv,
just imagine stories. Yeah, yeah.
Do you remember like some of thefirst times you talked about
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your son and bringing your son out here, right?
Yeah. Do you remember some of the
first times as a kid when you were brought out to a beach?
Like, do you have any memorable memories as a kid being on a
beach? Yeah, Yeah.
Sure, like going to Florida. Hell yeah, dude.
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Or going to Wildwood for like a big Wildwood day trip in the
summertime was like a yearly thing.
OK so I remember Wildwood days being like we'd wake up early as
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fuck in the morning. Hell yeah.
And we would go down to the beach because the rides don't
open up till the afternoon. So we would go in the beach in
the morning time because that was not the hottest part of the
day too, and play in the ocean and and the sand and shit all
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morning long. Then we'd go get cleaned up.
I always remember going to a pizza place called Hotspot.
Hot. Spot.
Yeah, there's like 5 of them on the boardwalk.
OK, Hot spot. Hot Spot 1/2.
Three, they're still there. Yeah, they're all there.
OK, I've taken my kids there to eat on our Wildwood.
Days How was that like did was that super nostalgic to bring
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your kids there for like the first?
Time for me, yeah. Yeah.
It was just me though. No one else had this like of.
Course. But we would, like, get cleaned
up, go get lunch at the hot spot.
And then that was when it was time for rides.
And my mom or my Nana always bought us the wristband.
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Yeah. Yeah.
But I was, I was, I was a scaredy cat as a kid.
Me too. So like, it was really hard to
get me on the roller coasters. I was afraid of Ferris wheels,
heights. Oh, I think I would do the
Ferris wheel. But I was really scared of a lot
of rides when I was younger. But the beach days were always
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fire. Hell yeah.
You ever go fishing on the beast?
Like catch a big fish when you were a kid.
I've never, you know, I've been fishing a lot of times in my
life and I don't know if I don'tknow if I've ever caught a fish.
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I think we need to go fishing. We should.
I haven't gone fishing in a longtime.
I should. We got to plan a day where it's
like me, you and Crunchy and thethree of us go.
I haven't been out to 40s Q in like 10 years.
It's been a long time since I'vebeen out to. 40s Q Yeah, that
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was so cool. There was some out there in the
water. Yeah.
I don't. I couldn't make out what it was.
There it is. It's heads back up again.
It's pretty long. Whatever it is now, just dive
back in with. You.
Yeah, so. I'm out, up now he's back.
Yeah, I see it. What is that?
It couldn't. I don't know.
It can be a log. I can tell you a pretty cool
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story about being out here. Is there otters out here?
It could be an Otter laying on that's.
Kind of what it looks like rightfrom out here.
Looks like a big like an Otter that suckers look you.
See that? Nice.
It's definitely Otter. Or something.
It's gotta be something like that.
Yeah, definitely, because it definitely just went under.
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You know, just one time I was out here, I was tripping and it
I tripped out. Did I tell you the sea turtle
story? No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
No, Oh man, I'm definitely, I'm definitely tripping, right.
And I was sitting here debating for a second how deep I wanted
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to go into the back story, but it's not really necessary.
I was out unnecessary information.
Yeah. Oh look, there it is out.
There, Yeah, Yeah, No, no, no. You cool?
Yeah, I see. But it looks like it's a couple
feet long and that's what like Ican't make out what animal that
would be that big at like that size because it's pretty long.
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It's. Gotta be Otter.
What if it was a seal A? Seal might be a seal.
I don't know, isn't water too warm air?
They wouldn't like this water. Don't know.
I mean it hasn't really been hotout.
We've had like a very late. It's heading to that island, so
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let's just keep an eye on it. Yeah, you're right.
Oh, I'm interested. I'm watching it.
Listeners are like. It looks like it's going
underwater to like swim further over and then it comes back up.
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Oh, now it's gone. We gonna.
See, I don't have I don't have the God phone on me the.
God Camera, this is back up. With the big zoom.
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Oh my God, it's messy. Has a really big wake behind.
It that's what I'm saying, I just went back under unless it's
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there, this is back up. Rolling.
Around. Nah, man.
I got it. I remember whenever I would go
fishing with my dad, it'd be it'd also be very early in the
morning and then we would eitherstop at Wawa.
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Or there this is out the water now.
Is out the. Water.
Yep, it's on the side of that little island over there, I
think. Yeah, I think I got it.
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What is that? Is that a cat or something?
Nah. Oh I was just about to talk
about sea turtles and I just seen one pop it's head up.
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Are you, are you talking about like right there?
Yeah. Maybe it's a Beaver.
It's gotta be something. Well, I'm gonna wait for the sea
turtle to pop it's head back up again so I can point it out to
you. And we would stop by the bait
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shops early in the morning. Yeah, way out the 40s Q.
That was always fun. It's like 6-7 hours of fishing
out there early in the morning for SKU, for sun comes up,
everything's calm. There's a sea turtle just stuck
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its head up out there. I'm looking, I don't.
See it? Oh, you see where these woods
are sticking up here? All right?
If you go out like 11:00 and just follow the water, you see a
black speck sitting in a while Up He just went.
He just went back down. All right, hold on.
I'll point another one out to you.
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I remember I was. I was in the middle.
I was about to tell you that story.
The first time I seen him. Yeah, I was tripping.
That was a funny day, man. What do you think it was?
Well, it was like, it was like just one of those days and I'm
like, I need to take a drive. And I went down like all along
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the Bay of South Jersey before, like Cape May.
And I was just really stoned andI was sitting out by the water,
you know, one of those types of days, the reflecting and
everything. I remember I was driving out
there and every like, water spotto stop.
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There was this lady, this, this girl sitting out there.
And she would just be staring out into the sky looking serious
as hell. And I remember thinking, every
time I pass by her, I'm like, yo, I feel you, girlfriend.
Like we out here trying to find something.
Yeah, we trying to find something.
I swear every place I stopped that bitch was there.
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Yo I'm like yo, I feel you dog I.
Feel you on a journey, but I mission to find something.
I'm sitting here next to the water, Right there it is.
Look at the sticks sticking out the water.
You see it up now? Just keep looking at it and give
it a couple seconds and he'll pop his head back down.
Yeah, there he is. He's gone.
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So I'm sitting out here by the water and I'm staring at the
water as we are now and I see that and I'm like, what is that?
A stick? And I write it off as a stick,
right? But then I look like a couple
feet over and I noticed it againand I'm like, what?
I didn't see that there a secondago.
And then it disappears. And then a couple seconds later
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over here, it pops back up again.
And I'm like, am I really just like stoned?
And then at 1.1, that was like close to me, like I'm staring at
this thing because it just lookslike the end of a stick, like a
wet stick. And I'm like, I feel like the
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stick is staring back at me. And it would drop his head down
and then another one would pop up.
Over here, because it was. It was a turtle.
And I was tripping, man, becauseif they told you we got sea
turtles in South Jersey, you'll be like, get the fuck out of
here. They actually they nest here in
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the Bay. Oh, that's right.
That's right down. Down.
That's why a lot of times when you like some beaches you go to,
they'll shut the beaches down there, like tape them off during
certain times when the the turtles are nesting.
OK, Yeah, sometimes they do it when certain birds are nesting
as well. Yeah, that's the that was the
big thing in 40 skew was the horseshoe crabs.
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Horseshoe crabs nest. They nest there too as well.
Tape it all off. You can't go on the beach or
like on certain parts of the beach, or you can't go out on
the jetty. Yeah, you know what really
grinds my gears? What I like to go out to the
Bluffs and there's like a preservative and nature
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preservative out there, right. And certain times of this, huh.
Preserve. Yeah, preserve.
Thank you. Certain times of the year you go
out there. What did they got on these
microphones? They're arrest you just on that
one, yeah. What?
Are you doing? But certain parts of the forest
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they'll tape off and they'll puta notice up right?
And it's like, please don't walkthis specific trail from this
state to this state because certain certain birds are
nesting and the noise scares them away.
And like we're, they're trying to keep an eye on like the
population and everything. OK, OK.
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And The thing is, they're not really going to ticket you.
There's nothing the law can really like do about it I guess,
but and there's no one really out there to stop you from doing
it. This last time I was out there,
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we get to that part of the trail.
Me and the kids, we want to go that way.
Bad as fuck because there is an abandoned like piece of
warehouse down there by the water.
There's a like a piece of abandoned warehouse down there
by the water. Excuse me.
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So we've really wanted to hit that part of the trail that was
like the part we were looking forward to the most.
But we get to that, that tape and that sign.
And I read the sign of my kids and I'm explaining to them I'm
like, as bad as we want to go dothis, like it's important that
we follow the suggestion like because of nature, because of
the birds, like we want, you know, the population to be
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healthy. It's our responsibility to care.
As I'm explaining this to these kids, 3 old ass white women walk
right by me. Stop, read the sign out loud and
keep on walking on that trail. And I'm like this is an example
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of what you don't do. Like This is why it's important
we do what the sign says. These people like these people.
Just don't care much harder. And you know what it is too what
really grinds my gears? I'm sitting here thinking about
it. Here's the bit entitlement.
Here's the IT is entitlement. That's exactly what it is.
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But the bit in it is this is that those fucking crunchy ass
white women. Granola eat an ass, mother
Granola eat an ass, motherfucker.
Trail mix making motherfuckers. Yeah, probably act like they
love Mother Nature so much all we're going on our hike.
They dress like fucking trail mixie and motherfuckers too.
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Meanwhile it's more important towalk your trail.
They care about the nature, thenactually care about the nature.
Yeah. Anyway, I digress.
That's not, it's, it's funny because like, you know, like
some stuff going on in my personal life right now.
And it's like I'm out there taking care of the stuff with
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my, with my mom, right. And the whole time we're doing
it and clipping and whatever else, she's apologizing to the
bushes, to the trees, like with tears in her eyes.
Yeah. And I'm like, she's like, I just
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don't understand. And I'm like, well, it's because
they only care about their religion or ours.
Because to her and many other people like her.
Yeah. What she's doing is hurting
living things like might as wellhave a soul too.
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Right. Like, and I I I compared it to
like, don't, don't be like that unborn person.
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And it's like, OK, can't kill that.
It's like, but what she believesin that trees a person, that
Bush is a person. Like you're telling her she got
to go kill all these people. Like you're going to scar her
mentally, like you're messing her up emotionally.
I don't care about that. And I actually don't even have a
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right, but I'm not going to get too much into it.
Like they're actually out of bounds.
But we're making compromise to try to be the good people we
are. Yeah.
Crazy, crazy. Do you ever find anything cool
on a beach like other than the button?
I've found so many cool I've. Always I want to go somewhere so
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bad. It's like one of my on my bucket
list. It's not like a bucket list
bucket list, but like I so desperately want to find a shark
tooth. Like my whole life, I grew up in
Florida. I was in the beach all the time.
Like we would go down in the beach almost like multiple times
a month all the time. I've never found a shark tooth
my whole life. I so badly want to find a shark
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tooth that is on my list. I think I know.
I know a couple beaches that arefamous for finding shark teeth.
Like you can just stroll throughand find them.
I want to find one so. Bad.
So bad just so I could like, cross it off.
Yeah, be like I did it. I found one finally.
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It took me 29 years, but shit, I'd be happy to finally, uh,
finally get one for myself, probably.
Making Have you found anything cool on the beach?
I found tons of shit. I've always wished, like, I
could find like a Pearl. OK, like a real deal.
Yeah. Like a Pearl or two.
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When we lived in Florida, The, the, the scallop shells.
So pretty. Yeah, so pretty.
All the purples and the oranges and the scallops in Florida,
like when you find their shells intact on the beach.
So pretty. That and like the little baby,
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not sand fleas. They're almost, I don't know if
they are baby scallops, but they're like closer to clams I
guess. They're super small, but they'll
be like almost like fluorescent purple, like the really pretty
color. You know what I'm talking about
like the little ones, little Oh my God, I, I feel like those are
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so pretty. My mom finds like we used to
find a lot of the like the conchshells, like intact conch
shells, stuff like that. Any standout things?
I, I can't remember anything like stand out.
Super crazy. I know one time caught a
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hammerhead. Baby Hammerhead.
Yo, for real? Yeah.
Off the beach in Florida, in Vero Beach, that was cool.
That was really cool. My uncle used to tell me stories
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about out here, out in 40 skew. My dad told me too.
We might have talked about this in the past.
Wheat Fish. I don't know well.
I'm saying that correctly. Wheat fish, wheat fish, that
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there used to be like thousands and people, you could literally
just go. There was no limit on how many
you could catch. And you could just go out to the
beach and people were just pulling in like coolers full as
a kid. Like you would just be out there
and people would catch them all day, filling the cooler stuff,
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filling the cooler stuff. And it's like, I always listen
to those stories growing up. And then I would be out there
with my dad or whatever fishing and just think to myself, like
why do people act in a way like there's no consequences to their
actions? It's like now I'm sitting here
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kid fishing in the same place. Like y'all had the luxury of
fishing and when you were kids tell me stories about how they
used to just people were pullingthem out by the cooler full.
Yeah, but like what did you do to preserve it?
Because like now I'm out here and you're out here with your
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kid and it's like we got fish like 8 hours to catch 1 fish for
real. It's like y'all really just let
that happen for what? It's just it's not.
It's like one of those things where it's like damn like nobody
thought about the consequences or just y'all just not care.
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Boomers don't look them towards the future.
That's a fact. That's a fact.
I have a funny fishing story. Yeah, yeah.
Short 1 I don't really have. I have one fishing memory with
my dad and I was an absolute terror for him that day down at
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Fortescue, I've told. That story terror is crazy.
I I've told that story on here before, but so I say that to say
that I don't really have like memories to go fishing with my
dad, but I always forget about my my grandpa.
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I called him Pop Pop because I did like a lot of cool shit with
him. But for some reason I've my mind
just never remembered something.Yeah.
I don't know why. Memory is so weird.
Like, I'm going to keep it superbrief so I don't interrupt your
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story for too long. I'm sorry.
Like, dude, you're talking aboutthis.
Yeah. And like, for whatever reason,
it's like, actively making me remember times in Estonia, like,
where I've been in forest walks with, like, relatives.
And they're, like, telling me about, like, very niche things.
And I'm like, I'm like, what a weird time to remember that.
Just like, I don't remember. I haven't thought about this in
(29:57):
like 6 years. Yeah, yeah.
The memories just come out of nowhere.
You're like, oh shit, yeah, I did cool shit with him, like
going fishing. Like he took me fishing a lot
actually. And I never understood what
those moments were because I wasjust a kid and I had the fucking
(30:17):
attention span of a snail. So fishing is painful for me.
I don't actually enjoy it at all.
I have more enjoyment watching my daughter fished and me
actually fishing myself. But I was probably a terror for
him too a lot of times. But I remember this one specific
(30:38):
time we were fishing in the Delaware River, and he always
yelled at me to always to hold on to my pole, stop setting my
pole down places. Yeah.
Mine. My dad too.
My dad too. And man, I set it down one time.
I wasn't even paying any attention to it.
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I was like over here by the car fucking off doing something.
And I remember he yelled. You got some, you got some, get
your pole. And that just the pole was
laying on the ground. The pole just fucking shot
across the sky. Gone, man.
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No, dude. He's tragic.
That was the big one. That was that was the big one.
That was the record holder rightthere too, probably.
Man, that pole was gone quick too.
And he was like, didn't I tell you, man?
But you know what's crazy about that?
Yeah, he wasn't even mad. Nah, Nah.
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He he like, he was laughing about it.
He was very like, although he grew up in Salem, he was very
hillbilly ish. OK.
And Southern in his like what they call that twang, right, So
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the way he was saying things, but he just laughed about that
shit. He said.
Boy, didn't I tell you? Keep holding that pole, he'll.
Never let go of a fishing pole again after that.
He said. But let me tell you how US
branks improvise. He got screwdriver out his
tackle box and a reel of you know how the bait comes on
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those. Spool.
Yeah, and he put the screwdriverthrough the spool.
Yeah, OK. He baited it up.
He took it and he flung it out. He said here you go.
And I didn't like that at all. That wasn't very enjoyable,
right. That's.
Up my alley, My dad was kind of rednecky.
Yeah, I didn't like that shit. He was like, I bet you, I bet
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you hold on to your pole. Yeah.
Oh, that's funny. Good times.
That's funny, man. That's funny.
Yeah. I here, we're sitting here
talking about it. I'm like, it just makes me think
of like, all the memories that Istill want to make.
That makes sense. Yeah.
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I feel like there's like just untapped opportunities that are
just waiting to be had. You need to have some kids so
you can make some cool ass memories or fucking borrow mind.
Well, a lot of it's like, I think like with my brother, I, I
don't, I don't know what it is. I maybe it's because like he
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didn't get the, he got a different part of my dad, like
at a different time in his life.Hey, Dad a motherfuck.
Yeah, yeah. So like, I feel guilty.
Old older child syndrome is it? I think so.
We all we the like, it's crazy. I was talking to my sister one
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time about it, like Dick's the mom that I experienced is
completely different than like the mom my baby brother
experienced. Like the mom I experienced was a
teenage mom or a mom in her, a single mom in her 20s.
He's experienced like, you know what I mean?
He's experienced a 3040 year oldgot everything put together,
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woman you know. I think, yeah.
And I think about like, damn, like, my brother didn't really
get to have the same kind of opportunities to have gracious
memories of my father. The way I do.
So like, I spent a lot of time basking in these memories and he
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can't. Like I don't talk with him about
these things but he wouldn't be able to relate because he had a
different different side of likeon when my father's life was
falling apart. And like part of me feels like I
owe him these moments back as his older brother.
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Like, I should take him out on afishing trip, get a charter boat
one day, me and him just go out on a charter boat, plan a trip
where we go down to the beach 12:00 in the morning and stay
out there until, you know, one in the afternoon and go home.
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And that kind of stuff, all the stuff that he kind of missed out
on, whether he was too young or kind of just that part of the
life just never happened. Yeah.
Because I think it's important. I mean, if it was important to
me and he didn't get to experience it, it's only fair.
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I try to provide some of those moments to create memories for
him, too, you know what I mean? Yeah, I'm like shaking because
it's a little windy and cold. Yeah, yeah, a little bit.
Because I'm crying. I'm not crying, you're crying.
You ever been out on a charter boat?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fire went out on he.
He's actually been out on a charter boat, too, but he was
really young. We went drum fishing.
Oh. Shit, yeah.
And everyone caught drum except us, but one of the people on the
boat when they had one on the line let my little brother reel
it in and catch. Fire.
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Yeah, fire. That was cool.
That was cool. That was like one of those
moments where like just good humans, like just a humanity
moment where like they see a young kid, like being out there
with his dad and his older brother and nobody, like none of
us are catching nothing. And he's already got a couple or
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whatever. And he's like, he's like, man,
I'm gonna let this kid like try to get it itch for fishing.
Like get him, give him the bug. Give him the bug.
Like here you go, man. Just reel it in.
Like, yeah, reel it in. Experience what it's like to
reel it in. Hell yeah.
That's dope. I like when people do shit like
that. That's dope.
Don't doesn't take nothing, it'sjust a little bit of kindness.
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And it gives to everyone. Yeah, involved.
Yeah, it's a memory. It's a fun little memory.
The one and only time I've been on a charter boat was with the
same grandpop. Yeah.
Yeah, It was like, I think it was like my 12th birthday, OK.
He took me out for this queue. We got it on a charter boat.
It was a party boat. So like, there was a hell of
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people. Yeah.
Yeah. You know.
Yeah, yeah, I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I got seasick and I threw up allover the side of that boat.
That yeah, y'all getting out there on a windy day is crazy.
And they called me shark bait the rest of the afternoon.
I felt like, I felt like we was out on that charter boat and we
was getting tossed up like 7 feet in the wicket, bro.
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And just like free falling. I'm like, we can die out here.
I thought we was going to die out there, bro, Like 13 year old
me or 14 year old me, whatever. It was like I was like, I'm like
we're, we're never making it back.
We're never making about adults.Oh, he might got some.
All the adults were calm, cool, collected and like here I am
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over here like we're going to die.
Nothing. Did you?
We were talking earlier about like interesting finds on the
beach. Other than buttons, anything and
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cool. Oh, my daughter found a old ass
wooden bat on the beach one time.
OK. I mean, we still have it.
This thing's cool. Almost there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's cool.
Yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm big on likebottles, certain bottles of
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really like. My shit.
Depending on where they're from,Like old, old bottles, Yeah, I
don't know what. It is I.
Don't know why it's like a pieceof history, though it is.
A piece of history, but like. The significance?
Or at least the value. Of its.
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Significance doesn't. It there's nothing.
Right. So like it's purely passion and
maybe in a couple 100 years if like the next. 5 generations of.
Mine take care of them all. Maybe those be of some like
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significant value, but right nowat this like time in the world,
it's no different than like if Iwas collecting newspapers, like
at some point it's like, OK, this is a mental problem.
Like just I don't. Think of would call it that
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you're you're a history buff andI think things that relate to
your life and the place you lived history matter to you and
new. Jersey, and especially.
South Jersey have a rich glass making history facts that has
mostly gone away facts and should definitely come back
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especially with all the oh we should bring manufacturing back
to the US Yeah OK bring back South Jersey glass like yeah
bring back glass factories like making plastics terrible.
For you in place. Everyone's going to cans.
Let's just go back to Glass. Let's bring the art back.
The irony about cans is cans have.
Plastic on the inside of them anyways to keep the metal from
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corroding. Wax that wax plastic shit.
Yeah. Like that's not good that that.
Has that has micro plastics thatyou're getting in it too.
Like glass really is the the safest and healthiest option.
Interesting. Fact.
I agree with you. By the way, interesting fact, it
tastes better in glass facts, interesting fact and.
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If I'm wrong please? Someone point me out.
I kind of want to be wrong, but South Jersey is actually the
last place in the country that teaches glass.
Blowing as a. Curriculum like in trade school
or in school in. College in college, yeah, that's
dope, but I. I yeah, everything you said
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about glass industry, like as far as America's concerned, the
glass industry was birthed here in South Jersey by the Germans
and. Like my personal.
Tied to it is just that like my mother, my grandma, my grandpa,
like everyone just worked in glass houses.
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My mom's side of the family worked a anchor and then
stepdad's side of the family worked Wheaton's, which was just
the next county over. Wheaton Village is awesome.
Wheaton Village. Is still there.
That's a. Glass blowing, you know,
historical village. So a lot of the shit that I
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collect is when I find stuff from either one of those places,
it's really, really, really fucking cool for me.
And then also like I have like adeep love.
For. Baltimore and Maryland, so a lot
like if I find old McCormick bottles like mustard jars and
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shit, oh, it's always like like I get super pumped about that.
What's interesting is. I think that the original
McCormick. Building that was on the
Baltimore Harbor is like really cool and they knocked it down.
It's not there no more. It was over by Domino Sugar,
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another Baltimore staple. I think they knocked it down and
I think they built Under Armour Factory there, which is another
Baltimore staple. That would be such a dope shot.
Oh, bald eagle. That's fire.
That's fire, but what they knocked this this building down
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and when I always look up historical like pictures of it
and shit. Oh.
See if he catches. Some he's looking don't lose the
thought on the story. We're like squirrel or more
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bald. Eagle rather more.
Appropriately, it probably. Is she sees something because I
think the females get the food. But when you read like the, the
descriptions of this building, when you're looking at the
pictures and stuff of it, the, the locals always talk about how
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that whole, the whole they call that neighborhood Locust Point.
The whole neighborhood of LocustPoint would just smell like just
in the air would smell like the spices.
And what's crazy about that is McCormick actually moved out of
Baltimore and they moved up to Ithink they're still in Baltimore
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County, but they moved to hunt aplace called Hunt Valley,
Maryland. And I mean this.
Whole fucking town. Is nothing but McCormick
buildings and the one McCormick building that I delivered to is
where like all the scientists are, people are in white like
lab coats and they're in there figuring it out how to like bro
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this shit is. Deep.
Yeah, I bet it's deep. Yeah, I bet you gotta have like,
the security is like clearance crazy and they're trying to
steal the secret recipe. But you drive through that town.
Yo, for real. You drive through that town like
lunchtime and it's just like, all smells great, all the
spices. Are just like.
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In the air nice, I love it, but when I find.
McCormick. Bottles I trip, I really fucking
love, like finding, finding thatshit.
A lot of bottles on the beach. Buttons, that button.
That's probably the coolest. Should have found we were out
here one time. What, how, how, how far are we
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in 44 minutes in? I we could wrap up on this
story. I'm not pressed.
All right, we, we still, we have, we still got more than 3/4
of a battery because I got I gota good.
Oh, she catch on. Oh.
No. That's a snag.
I got a good. I got a good.
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Story or a good? Story for you to tell.
We were out here one time, out and about this area.
You were telling me about train tracks that ran through here.
Yeah. Out into the water.
Yeah. Well, pier, pier water.
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Now it's under the water, Yeah. But for.
Historical context, since we're already, you know, we talked a
lot about. Talked a lot about the the
history of some of these. Parts of this area, yeah, you
should get the back story on that, those train tracks.
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I don't know if it was South Jersey Railroad or West Jersey
Railroad. I love the pink.
It's beautiful, isn't it? You don't get to see this.
Backdrop that I'm seeing right now because you're facing the
other way, but it's just a lovely pink.
I'm sorry the this town caviar. The train tracks came out, came
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out to right here, which was like Piers and stuff.
So the train will come through passenger trains, but also for
the industry as well and will come right up alongside the
warehouses and for the caviar business and everything.
Yeah, yeah. Now there's a.
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Area over in Delaware called Frenchtown.
And the idea? It's somewhere, well,
Frenchtown. Isn't.
Somewhere over there in that land you see there, but that is
Delaware that you see in the far, that far land there.
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But one of the towns over there the Frenchtown Railroad is
supposed to pick up. So the idea was the train would
come here, then you would transfer to a ferry, take the
ferry across over there to Delaware, transfer back on to
the Frenchtown train, and then go into Frenchtown, which people
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really went to Frenchtown because that was the access to.
The north part of the Chesapeake.
Bay and then you could take another ferry down to Baltimore
or farther Washington maybe. What do you think?
Like do you have any opinions about like why everything kind
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of just stopped? What specifically stopped like?
I feel like I always hear. I wish I could do.
There's this like, beautiful backdrop.
I feel like I hear all these theothers.
The video gets it so much better.
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See, it's so cinematic and then it makes it a.
Video I. Hear all these stories?
All the time about how New Jersey specifically had all
these industries, yeah. We drive.
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Around. Local, local history, all these
different areas, all these places here, right?
And there was so much industry. Here.
Yeah. Like, even in my dad's lifetime.
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I mean, my dad was older. He'd be pushing 70 right now.
And that's so gorgeous, dude. Look at that fucking sunset.
Look at that shit, bro. It's just so.
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Pretty it is fire. It's so pretty, man, it's hard
to even concentrate. It's just so pretty.
It's just such a gorgeous shot. You hear the music.
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Yeah. Where is that?
I don't know somebody out in themiddle of the.
Well, we did hear that. Hear like a little.
Airboat or something, you know, tiny little boat earlier.
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Yeah, I have an opinion on it. And it's, it's just a shame
because like. It feels like whenever.
I we go. Around these places, it's it's
just ruins, yeah, ruins of like God, it's so fucking gorgeous.
It's so gorgeous, dude, God damn, it's so pretty.
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Umm, it's just. Ruins of like.
What? How?
Great air quote things used. To be how much money?
How much industry? How many jobs?
How much South Jersey? Had going.
For it. And and all I ever.
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Get to see and try to. Like put together like.
Fragments of like what it was. And then I look at like how
quickly. Everything is deteriorated just
everywhere. And it's like a side tangent,
but like I, I see actively, especially in South Jersey, how
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quickly like all these places that had dedicated industry just
disappeared and the buildings are some of them are almost
completely gone. Yeah, anything that's out by the
water is pretty much completely gone.
And then I think about like. Old civilizations.
And I'm like, Oh, yeah, there ain't no way.
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We'll never know. Yeah.
Like this idea that we're going to know what it what it used to
be. It's like, literally in my
lifetime, things have pretty much vanished off the face of
the earth. Like quite literally.
Yeah. Or in my in my own father's
lifetime. I just think it's a shame.
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It is. And very.
Much so with the glass. Specifically, I think that glass
industry should have never. That's something that, I mean,
it's hard to compete with how cheap plastic is, but the the
the thing, Yeah, man. Would Yeah, that's what killed
it was was plastic 'cause I remember as a kid, like my mom
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worked for Anchor and they had the contracts for the Pepsi cola
bottles. That's a whale, you know, So
when all the whales are switching over to plastic and,
and it's just like you can't, you can't compete with that.
Why is it that? There's.
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Places that never. Did the full conversion of
plastic like where like for example.
Like when we. Get imports from Mexico.
Yeah, imported. Sodas.
Are still in glass like they were here 30 years ago. 40 years
ago, Yeah, I'm not sure. I don't have any, you know what
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I mean? I didn't know.
That was the thing. No, you put me on.
So I'm like, what was the? Is it because they just have
more supply or like it would have there was no investment to
do the manufacturing conversion in those countries, You know
what I mean? Like, was it just more effective
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once the manufacturing changed here in the US to just export
plastic? You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, instead. Of setting up factory somewhere
else and then like. How ironic is it that we've.
Come full circle. We're sitting in South Jersey
glass. Left South Jersey.
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Because of plastic. And now we're in 2025 and
everyone's like. Micro plastics are terrible for
you. Yep, forever chemicals killing
your your endocrine system killing your reproductive system
killing like on average, there'sa study floating around out
(55:16):
there where it's like on averagesomebody living today, like a
young person living today has enough microplastics in their
brain. That if it was all put.
Together into a like one solid object, they would have a
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literal spoon in their brain. Yeah.
And it's like we should never. We should.
Never got rid of glass. Like we should never.
We didn't have this problem withglass.
Like it's like we just, we were drinking out of a rock.
Like we were drinking out of a rock and we were like, Nah,
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let's start drinking out of chemicals.
Like that's a better idea. Like God damn the way.
Like that's why it is. OK, side tangent again.
This is not what? We talk about in my.
House a lot. We still use wooden and
stainless steel. Yeah, we have wooden spatulas,
wooden spoons and stainless steel.
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We don't use. Silicone we don't use.
Silicone because everyone's like.
Silicone safe. This is silicone safe.
Silicone safe. It's like they said the same
thing with Teflon. There was a whole.
Period. 20 years there where? They're like Teflon safe.
Like it's fine. You can use Teflon for
everything. And then it's like it turned out
Teflon had all these carcinogensin it.
(56:45):
They're giving people cancer, Jesus Christ, So.
Then Teflon went away now. You see Teflon on a you.
It's almost never you see Teflonon pans anymore.
Yeah. And it's like, well, what's
going to happen with? Silicone in.
Like 10 years. Like, what studies are going to
come out about silicone? Yeah, it's just crazy.
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To me how like. Consistently.
Not necessarily. Our country has.
Failed us, but like people have failed each other in.
This country. In the name of greed and and
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profit, it's the boomers. The boomers were running the
countries when we made all theseswitches.
You're right. But.
I mean, it's real. Like we constantly sell, sell
ourselves out in the name of greed and profit, jeopardize
everyone's health, poison a whole generation.
(57:55):
I mean, before that it was the the it's like, what do you want
to blame boomers or because their parents had them all
fucking dealing? With asbestos and.
Lead and yeah, but they didn't know.
Yeah. At the time they.
Didn't know, some people didn't.Know there is definitely.
Some people that probably knew, I don't think so.
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I really don't think, I really think that like, no, I mean like
the people that made the products.
I really think. Like at a.
Certain point up until a certainpoint, they really didn't know.
Fair. Yeah, I know what you're saying.
Like science? Has advanced so much since then,
yeah, but nowadays it's like inexcusable facts.
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But. I'm no expert.
You take this. I want to lay this on you, but
you take it for whatever you think it's worth.
All right? I'm no expert.
We're just two dudes. Talking about shit we know
nothing about but I really dig. Watching like video clips of
like, believe it or not, there'sactually video recordings and
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stuff from like old men in the 1930s and stuff.
And they're talking about like what life was like growing up as
a little boy in the late 1800s and shit, right.
I like finding a little video clips like that and all
throughout history at different points in history and.
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As I'm only talking about the. History that can go as far back
as videos were invented, right? OK, I'm based off of that
information. I'm convinced that the worst
Americans in American history inthat time span.
It's a toss up between the adults that were running the
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show in the 1920s and the boomers.
It's like it's a toss up betweenthose two generations as being
literally the worst Americans out of all the generations.
Literally the boomers almost take the cake.
And I know like, most of the time we're like just doing bits
(01:00:08):
and it's really funny to clown on.
Boomers. But if you look at it
historically and politically, like America.
Was at its best. When the boomers took over and
it it's. Been a war.
Between those powers of that generation and the unions, and
(01:00:32):
it's literally like America's been on a downward slope since
the 70s. Like the?
Boomers, literally. Qualify as some of the worst
Americans. I want to put like a parameter
on that. And and to be clear and I'll.
(01:00:54):
Let you I'll let you do that to be clear, a lot of the shit that
we dealt with growing up and stuff is because.
Of the shit our parents had to go through.
Dealing with boomer parents whenyou talk.
About that I want. Them saying like not talking
about your emotions. I want to put parameters on it
(01:01:18):
so. Like we kind of narrow down what
specifically you're talking about because saying like
boomers were the worst people. Like I feel like it's better to
be more specific about what we're talking.
Are we talking about like caringabout their their neighbor?
Basically like the most selfish and least.
Empathetic Americans, yeah. Most self-serving.
(01:01:40):
Yeah. You remember how earlier?
We were talking. You were like, some people just
view things as like things are just things to be obstacles.
That's how boomers looked at every person in a thing is just
an obstacle of you and your world.
(01:02:00):
Whereas like our parents were the punk generation, Gen.
X, all that. And that's when, like, you got
some like Gritty push back, somerebel push back, you know what I
mean? And slowly from that point on,
starting with our parents, it's just more and more became, you
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know, more empathetic as a community.
I think my. Dad technically classifieds as a
boomer. For real.
Well, he graduated. High school in.
Like the 70s, I always forget that I have young.
Parents. No, My mom's young.
My dad was. Graduating high school and my
mom was being born. Oh shit.
(01:02:45):
So like. There's they have a big.
Age gap like my mom had me when she was 20 OK 21 and your dad
was like in his. 30s. Like late 30s.
Yeah, like mid. 30s, OK. And like I said, I think like
(01:03:06):
right now he would be pushing. 70 OK yeah, but my dad
ideologically. Was an.
Independent constitutionalist cared about Declaration of
Independence. We the people type American,
(01:03:27):
Yeah. Didn't like government?
Thought he should be allowed to do what he wants, build what he
wants on his land. Nobody can tell him what to do.
He's a rebel. Like this is America.
Like I, I can do what I want in this country as long I'm not
hurting, as long as I'm not hurting nobody.
And the government can't tell mewhat to do with my life or what
I need to do to my kids. Like there was literally a time
(01:03:52):
where my dad, I think I might have told this story before.
There was literally a time like back when swine flu happened
and. I was in high school or middle.
School and my mom was still going to Columbia and to
graduate from Columbia and he had put out a sign in front of
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our house that was like 9 foot tall plywood by like 4 foot wide
and it said you in red paint said you can't make me vaccinate
my kids. And I sat up in front of our.
House, the house for like a month.
(01:04:37):
It was deep. Yeah, I remember the swine flu
it. Was right after I graduated high
school or maybe like towards theend of me being in high school,
were they pushing like the vac? Was there like a vaccine debate
like there was with COVID with the swine flu?
Was there a vaccine for the swine flu?
I think, yeah, because it was. H1N1 was the.
(01:05:01):
Scientific. Term.
OK, I think. Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know you. Definitely.
I'm trying to remember, it's been a while.
That was a long time ago, dawg. Almost 20.
Wait, that, that Yeah, almost. Twenty.
Yeah, that was a. That was a weird time.
Period. Because that was like my mom
would. Go to wait.
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Go. Away for school during the week
and she would only come home on weekends because she was
attending school in New York at Columbia and she would sleep in
the library throughout the week time and.
Then take the bus home to. Greyhound home on the weekends
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so you was with. Pop all week.
Well, my dad. Worked on call SO.
He would. On.
A normal day, come home around. Like 7 o'clock 8:00 But if he
was on call, there's a chance like anytime through the night
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if something happened he had to go back out to Delaware.
God damn. Yeah, both my parents worked in
Delaware. I mean, my mom's almost been
work in Delaware 15 years. And you'd have to go back out to
Delaware to get. On the tugboat to go help out
with whatever boats were having issues on in the in the Delaware
(01:06:25):
River, yeah. So most of the time it.
Was just me and my little. Brother at home, right?
Especially during that time period.
My dad. Actually didn't let my mom.
Go to New York to graduate. Because it was the peak of
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swine. At the peak of swine flu and he
was worried about something happening to her in New York or
her getting sick And he's like, you're not getting sick and
dying and then leaving me to take care of these two kids so
he. Didn't let her go to New York
to. Graduate, She had to just accept
her thing from like, home, right?
(01:07:06):
I was a whole thing. Yeah, it's you.
Got a bit in that. I'm over here face palming like
the nerve of. That motherfucker my.
Dad, Yeah, yeah. You ain't leaving me here alone
with these two kids devastated. How you going to tell the girl
(01:07:29):
she? Can't leave you here with two
kids. Bounce on her in the meanwhile.
Yeah, yeah, this dude's dead. Now he bounced.
Her with the two kids to take care of.
Yeah, that's funny. I didn't think about that.
That's there's a whole funny howshit turned out Dad.
Funny how Shit. Turned out.
Oh man, yeah, that's funny. There's a whole bit, yeah,
there's a. Bit in there for sure for sure,
(01:07:49):
dude, for sure. No, I really think that your mom
be. Coming up with some zingers and
you throw that bit in there, like from telling it that joke
from her POV. Yeah, you know what I mean?
And then all the other zingers she'd be having, your mom could
put together like a little half an hour special.
Yeah, for sure. My mom's, definitely.
Got like a whole fucking a wholea whole Netflix special for real
(01:08:15):
Unintentionally so just like it's funny like Estonian humor
is. Wait, does she ever graduate
though? Oh yeah, I mean, she graduated.
She just. Had to get her shit in the mail.
Yeah, she. Didn't attend the graduation
ceremony. Gotcha.
She bombed what she. Wanted to do yeah.
So she was bummed. Oh.
(01:08:35):
Super bummed. Super bummed.
I remember, I remember. I'm trying to remember because.
She's working on her master's now.
There was also. A point.
Where like in Florida she didn'tshe got like a lesser degree or
(01:08:59):
something or she was working on working towards her a different.
Degree at Columbia. Because I remember having taken
photos of her in front of like, trees in front of our house in
Florida. Yeah, with her wearing like, a
gown and a diploma. Oh shit.
(01:09:20):
So that she could have photos. Of her in the, in the gown and
diploma or the, you know, the hat.
Yeah, yeah, and everything. It's been a crazy life,
definitely. Crazy life.
Pretty cool. Though a lot of stories.
To tell, Definitely not a boringlife, no one to remember.
(01:09:48):
This is such a vibe as. You met.
I'm so happy we're doing shit like this is how this is like.
So this is just beautiful. This is beautiful.
I've always wanted to do shit like this.
This is just dope. Little cold next.
Time we need to bring extra jacket.
But it's just, it's nice, gives a little, you know, fresh air,
(01:10:08):
little scenery. It just feels like, weird, but
like, in a good way. Yeah.
It's like, oh, shit. You just really just pull up
anywhere and like just do some shit, record some shit.
Y'all could probably hear a hellof water in the back.
Around because the wind has picked up and the water is high
tides coming in, so it's just like.
(01:10:33):
That's funny, man. Yeah, it's probably.
Going to listen him back to thisis probably going to be
interesting. Yeah.
Oh yeah. That sunset was.
Really nice too, the tides. Coming in.
That's why you. Hear the the the waves louder,
Yeah. Yeah.
(01:10:53):
Yeah, man, this is a vibe. I went.
I went to. The I spent.
Memorial Day on the Susquehanna River.
Yeah, yeah, mean the fam explored from Safe Harbor Dam on
(01:11:18):
the Conestoga River. Where the Conestoga I don't.
Think I've ever heard of? The Conestoga.
That's a fire name though. It's a native name that sounds
Conestoga sounds. Hard Conestoga were.
Were the Susquehanna people, which was we actually don't know
(01:11:39):
what the Susquehanna SusquehannaNick.
We don't know what they're real like what they called
themselves. We only know what what the
Lenape name them and Susquehannameans the the people of the
muddy river. OK.
But there's a lot of. Polygraphs.
(01:12:02):
If I'm saying that right, that the natives.
Like a lot of carvings and stuffon the rocks in the Susquehanna
and like, along. It's polygraphs, yeah.
This is a different kind of Hieroglyphs would be.
Egyptian polygraphs would be it did it, I just know it's.
Indigenous. Yeah.
Is that what the? Is that what the word?
Polynesian like stems from like a like a native island people
(01:12:26):
you know, I don't know. You know what I'm?
You know the connection I'm trying.
To make like I see the connection Poly like.
People. Yeah, are like Latin for people.
I'm have to look that up. I'm not sure.
I'm like able to like. Block some of this paper wind
up. We'll end on this story.
Because it is getting windy. But yeah, we explored all over
(01:12:46):
the con Nistoga people. I talked about them.
That was the people that the Packard boys, they like they
they massacred the Lenny Lenape.Jesus Christ.
Yeah, I we talked about this a few episodes back.
So we went up around that area and we ended up, we ended our
(01:13:09):
day of adventures at a place called Indian Steps Museum.
And it's on the other side of the Susquehanna on the York
County side. And it was like a really big
house alongside the river with apark.
And it was just built with all these like Native things
(01:13:31):
incorporated into it. There was a totem pole out there
and there was other totem poles in the woods.
And all along the foundation of the House of the house is like
was all the tribes and I found my tribe to Lenny Lenape and the
Delawares and it was to honor them.
And it was A and there was like these beautiful native
sculptures of like these really sad looking natives that will
(01:13:54):
part of the door jam to the front door.
And it's humongous. And above it it that the house
was built by this white guy backin the early, late 1800s
sometime. And he he's built the whole
place to honor all the natives that was pushed out West like
(01:14:16):
during that time. Period and.
Like my people, specifically theLenny Lenape and the Nanny Coke,
first they pushed us across the Delaware into Pennsylvania, and
that's when we actually joined in with the Conestoga and the
Susquehanna people. And then eventually.
(01:14:36):
They just pushed us. All across the Susquehanna River
and then out into Ohio and then eventually they took that from
us as well. And that that leads us into the
French, the French American War where the natives, we didn't
know which side were we going tohelp the French or we going to
(01:14:56):
help the British because really like we just wanted to help
whoever was going to like honor our treaties and let us have our
our home still. And neither one of them probably
ever was. And then?
And then they sit here talking about Emma Grass.
Yo for real episode 94 the birththerapy show.
(01:15:20):
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