98. Back in the Garden

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And it's less loud. Closer.
To Mike, talk softly, less beeps.
For me as well. No, I think you're telling.
Last couple episodes your audio has been no last like 6 episodes

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your audio has been better than mine.
Well, you know, this is what I do, dog.
How the tides have changed. This is the.
This is the. This is the.

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This is the. This is show for me and my Bros
that tap into her emotions is cool.
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stress out the window hot topicsthat's test training against
whatever is on your heart in your mind at that sense speaking
about whatever no judgment truthor not hit let it flow just like

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lens and story and glance no feeling say what it is
undescripted. No need to watch what you said
It's the truth verb. No therapy is the meds.
I said this is the pro therapy show.
I said this is the pro therapy show.
This is that uplift to you that had you blow This is that uplift

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to you that had you blow. I said this is.

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Episode 98 of the Birth Therapy Show.
Episode 98. Of the birth therapy.
Show yo it's hot as a motherfucker.
You guys out here, it's not thatbad.
Primal living dog. Primal Lemon.
Everyone in the house is being like, it's how hot.

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I'm like primal living. I went out yesterday.
I got some loungewear. I'm like, you know what, it's
hot out, all right? We're going to be like Italians
out here. Europeans.
They ain't, they ain't got no central air.
The fuck? I'm gonna get me some.
You do look like an Italian gentlemen.
Yeah. You fuck with us.
Yeah, it's actually. Kind of hard, right?
I dig the thread stuff. I got, I got some stuff.

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I want to show you some shirts Igot.
See, I have a real problem and Iunderstand it's the style for
for certain folks, but I cannot do shorts.
Shorts above the knees. Above the knee.
I feel you, I feel you. This is just for around the
house. I can't like.
I'd wear that to the beach. So what you're wearing right
now? This is this is fire like low

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key this yo low key this fit looks like it could be like
$1000 fit. You should have your jewelry on
though. I know that's why I was thinking
about like coming out here with my hair down and jewelry on.
Like it'd be like, I for real. Like because like I look at this
and I'm like, this is like toeing the line.
Like this is like, if you don't know better, this could be $1000
fit, but this fit is a $20 fit. This is a $10 pair of pants and

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a $2514.00 top. Ross.
No, it's about I. Was like, I saw it.
There was only one pair of thesein there.
I'm like, you know what? No, I'm, I'm copping, I'm
copping this shit. What the?
Fuck, that's fine. Yeah, it's dope.
I fuck with this shit. That pattern though, if we're
being honest, 70s couch. Oh yeah.

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Oh yeah. Definitely most.
It's a vibe though. It's a vibe.
Oh, this is a vibe. This is like, I feel like I'm in
my hippie bag, but it makes Oh my God, that sounded terrible.
But to make some music drop Yellow Submarines.
Oh shit. Yo, yeah, I see, I see, I see.

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This is like some Beatles type vibes like.
I went grocery shopping this morning man it's been hot as
fuck. I I was thinking to myself like
I know twin is like just like loving this shit like.
Whatever. Oh, the weather.
But I was at the grocery. Store.
I've been training for this. I've been training for years for
this. Y'all should have been training

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with me. Where the fuck were you?
These two boomers at the cash register, the customer in front
of me and then the the cashier and they were having like kind
of like a little mini meltdown together.
And it had a real sense of sadness to it.

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But they're like tripping because the pennies going
obsolete. And they were they were sharing
genuine concern with one anotherabout what they're going to do
when they're not allowed to use their pennies anymore.
And I was just kind of like a little stoned and like, just
kind of like taking it in, like,oh, yeah, human experience.

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Let's see what this is, right? It's like, you can't, you can't
explain to them that like, it's OK because most of the world
operates off of digital now. Like it's it's more rare to
actually use cash nowadays, especially if you're younger,

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you know, it's like it's all cash kind of is going obsolete.
I I feel like the only reason it's still there is just because
like certain powerful shady human beings still need it to be
there. Yeah, that's what I was going to
say. I'm like, there's a money

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laundering, you know, like people want to move money
around. Like people want to.
Rich people want to be able to fucking pay people under the
table. They want to avoid taxes.
Like, let's be honest, like richpeople want to use the system to
their advantage. That's why money's still here.
Otherwise all that shit would bedigital.
Yeah, all that shit would be digital.
The fuck? That's the last thing they want

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is everything to be traceable. Get the fuck out of here.
There's people that lose the most from that.
You think fucking poor people are going to lose out on that
shit? Oh no, Like the government's
going to know I've made an extra30 bucks.
Like fuck me. Yeah, yeah, that's the thing.
I was trying to like have a little empathy for him, but I

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was like, there's a, there's definitely like a bit somewhere
in this. I was rolling my eyes while you
were saying that. First of all, it's so my brain
was shooting all over the place because I'm like, I'm like damn.
And like where are the snowflakes?
Like y'all upset about the pennies?
Like really? Like y'all I see everybody leave

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that shit on the ground nowadaysbecause it costs more money to
bend over and pick it up. Like your time ain't worth
picking up a penny no more. Like what the fuck are we
talking about? Pennies like.
If the penny does go obsolete, Ijust want to say a couple
things. One, the first thing I want to
say is I think it's I think it'sillegal to damage US currency.

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So you should not do the second thought that I'm about to say.
But the second thought is any penny before 9/19/73 is actually
worth $0.02 because of the copper value in it.
Just wanted to throw those two facts out there.
But my daughter, she just got we, we did a clean out a a
couple months ago and they gave her a big like bro, like a glass

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jar. Yeah, this big and about that
tall. Oh my God, all pennies.
That's like we try to go cash itin.
Well, we got to 30 in machine broke at Walmart.
Wait, no way. Yeah.
And we were like, not even halfway through it.
But did they like keep the rest of the pennies that were in
there that are before it counted?
No, they gave them the cash for what it counted.

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OK. But like I'm wondering like does
it count it as the pennies go inor was there like pennies that
still needed to be counted and they just kept that shit?
I think, I think I was a little worried about like the small
details like that, but at that point that for most of that
experience, we didn't know if wewere even going to get the money

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for what we have put in there because no one know how to work
the machine type of situation. So then when it got to the point
where they were like, listen, wecan, it's going to print out
what you put in already and it said $30 and then you can like
you can have, we'll give you that, but you can't do the rest.
And I was like, you know what, we just took our, if there was

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losses, we just took our losses and kept it moving.
You still got more. Yeah, we got over half of them
left. So that place that you start
banking at has a money counter. Oh, we're there.
Yeah, we're there. It's it's on the left hand side
when you go in. Shit, put it right in the
account. I think there has to be an
employee there to help, that's all.

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So you just go to them and be like, hey, we have changed.
Like can we get this counted? And they'll go over to the
machine with you and help you doit, I think.
The reason that's dope. I'm glad you told me that
because that's exactly where we're going to go next time.
I brought it up because what it was gifted to two of my
daughters and one of those daughters is kind of has a

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similar personality to me. She's ADHD and ODD.
And I told her like that there'swheat pennies in there.
Probably because old people always kept change and wheat
pennies and wheat pennies are like, there are some of them are
worth a little something right now, but later on they could be

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worth like when our kids are older and shit.
She took the challenge and she went.
She went through that whole fucking jar.
Penny for Penny I. Bet she found a couple 100.
And she found a Ziploc bag. That's.
Fine of wheat pennies, Canadian pennies, some type of like

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English coin or European coin, whatever and you.
See, I'm not saying anybody should do this.
I'm just saying like this is something that happened during
the Revolutionary War and the Civil War.
And if there's World War Three, and this happens in all kinds of

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wars and shit goes bad enough and then pennies melt them down
into ammo. That's happened all through
history. Yeah.
Chess pieces, all kind of anything you can find.
Silverware not as ammo. Yeah, depending on I.
Don't think you would ever get that bad I'm.
Just the medal of it. No, you know, and like, I don't

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know, I feel you. You're not coming from like, yo,
let's take up arms, but no. History.
Fact. Here's.
Really what I wanted to say. We don't know the future, dog.
I don't. Want to say all that?
I'm just saying like I thought it.
Was be resourceful, be smart, beresourceful.
That part. Anyway, oh, anyway, my bad.

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I almost, I almost slipped down a rabbit hole.
My bad. I just want you grabbed me.
I was like about to take that. I was about to take that step
off, off, off into the hole and you like grabbed me by the
collar real quick. You're like, no buddy, come
here. Yeah.
Yeah, it's like a cool little like, like tidbit like that's
definitely something they used to do.
Can I say one small thing? And we don't.
I don't want to get into politics, but I do want to say

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one small thing. Yeah, and they used to do it
because ammunition was a lot different back then.
It'd probably be way harder to do it now.
Like honestly, you probably can't even really do it like
that no more because you could do that with like ball and
musket, because you could just fucking take some shit and shove
it down the barrel. Nowadays it's like, no, like the
ammunition has gunpowder and a charge and like it's, it's all

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like within the casing, like can't really do it like that,
No, no. You cool, it's cool.
You ain't got a back pedal, bro.I'm.
Just saying. Like you ain't got a back pedal.
You're not your Civil War rhetoric.
It's like a historical fact. You ain't got.
Irrelevant to today. Back pedal your Civil war right?

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Unless you got like a blunderbuss or some shit, then I
mean shit, you could stick your forks and everything in there
like that don't matter. You ain't, you just ain't going
hit shit. I'm not actually like doomsday
civil war Armageddon type of guyanyway, I don't think that's
just going to happen. I think we evolved enough as
humans actually, that some enough good and powerful people

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will will figure it out before. Me too.
It gets to the worst of the worst, which I want to say real
quick, this is the only like, I've been unplugged from
politics. But I do 'cause I, I like, take
a little peek in there maybe like once or twice a week for a
couple minutes, right? But and he's completely
horrified when he died. Facts.

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He's. Like what the fuck is?
Happening. Facts.
Well, actually, this is how it happens, right?
It like the last time I took a peek, I was just chilling some
downtime. Maybe I was smoking and I was
just scrolling on Facebook and all of my active duty and
reserved friends all started posting post basically like

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saying the type of shit that they say when some shits like
popped off. Like they were saying like well
boys, time to time to strap up again, like just different shit
like that. And I was like, OK, that means
something happened. And I googled it and it was all
over the headlines. Trump bombs Iran three different

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times or whatever. I'm not even, I don't want to
talk about it, but that's how I'm getting the information.
So I'm like, OK, I need to see if they're saying these things.
I need to see what's happening. And yeah, pretty much everyone's
gearing up for for for war, but 'cause there's a lot of shit
that happens politically with the media that like, I'll sit

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and argue with every single person who wants to talk about
it. Most of the shit that you're
worried about or that you're told to be worried about doesn't
actually affect your actual day-to-day life in most cases.
Not everything. That's a broad stroke, but
that's just a reality that we forget a lot of times.

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I'm gonna die on that hill. That being said, I know like
with the climate of the world and with everyone, like with
everything that's happening, like it is really horrifying
actually in a lot of ways. And there's probably a lot of
folks like me who actually supported Trump and, and I

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didn't vote for anyone, but I definitely my support was with
Trump, right? Like, the whole time, yeah.
We've been, we've been on, that's one of the cool things
about this show and us being friends is we've been on like, I
guess opposite sides of the aisle for that because like,

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yeah, there was more things thathe quote, UN quote, stood for.
Whether or not he actually like followed through with any of
those things is a different question.
Right. But the ideas that you supported
versus the ideas that I supported on the opposite side,
Yeah. And we're able to still come
together and hang out and talk and we don't like, but also

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we're open to change. It's not like we just sit there
and it's like, we're going to sit here and die on this hill no
matter what. It's like, no, like we, we're
capable of like looking at different things presented to us
and changing our mind and reevaluating and changing his
people. Like that's the point of coming
together and talking with peoplethat you don't agree with.
Like we believe in that. And we've always like had the

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sentiment that like, if you are at a table where there's no one
there who disagrees with you, then like you're sitting at the
wrong table. But that's a good point that you
brought up because I just saw something that was like
unpopular opinion. It's OK to change your mind
whenever you want. And like, that goes to what I

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guess I'm trying to say right now because like, there's
probably a lot of people right now like me who like did support
certain shit when it came to theTrump administration, at least
the first term around. Not everything, but there was
some shit that like I was reallylike riding that wave and there

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was some things that like actually really changed the
lives for for the better. I know that's unpopular to say
that Trump did something that changed the life for the better
of people in my community, mainly giving back everyone
their constitution, constitutional rights, meaning
that like if you're a felon, youcan still vote and have a say in

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like your political community, like things like that.
But you know you, so you were supporting them this time
around. And then you tap in, you plug
into everything, you see what's going on and you're like, you're
completely horrified by it all. And you're like, this isn't
what, This isn't what I actuallyvoted for.

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If we can be clear like. There's a lot of people that
feel that way. And it's OK to be like, it
doesn't matter about left or right and shit.
Like you can be like just a human being and you like, you
can have morals and you can say OK like that.
That I don't agree with. You know, like you're not.
Some people are out here really making you feel like, like, like

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you're solely responsible for the next Hitler.
And it's like, whoa, like. Maybe a little bit, but not
solely. No, I don't think so.
I feel like the kid, OK, we might disagree on that.
I might. I'm not somebody who would be
like any individual is solely responsible, but I think the

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collective overall is responsible.
Like, at the end of the day, he is in the position of power that
he's in because people voted forhim.
And there was people before the election that were telling
everybody this shit was going tohappen and people didn't want to
believe it. They like, wrote it off as like,
you're being hysterical. You're being like, this is
nonsensical. And now that it happens, nobody

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wants to like stand up and be like, I made the wrong decision.
I'm sorry for like being a part of like what created this, But
this is what I'm going to do to try to make sure it doesn't get
worse. And that's the path to
redemption to be like, this is what I'm going to do to try to
make sure it doesn't get worse because I don't agree with this

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anymore. Like this isn't what I voted
for, but most people just want to be like, I didn't vote for
this, but I'm also not going to do anything like it's in
everyone else's hands. And in which case it's like, all
right, Well then like, I don't know, you help put the person in
power now. You're not going to stop them
from doing anything. So you're compliant?
Right. I didn't vote.

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So that's directed at all the other people like me who did
vote. For Trump, yeah, I'm just
saying. Like, but you're telling them
that they should take accountability.
I totally feel you on that. I totally feel you on that.
And you don't even got to do anything crazy.
You could just voice like use your God-given rights in this
country and use your voice. You can literally just use your

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freedom of speech and speak to people you know or use your
social media to make clear whereyou stand.
Like, it's not like people are asking you to like, go change
the world. Or yeah, I mean, that's a good
suggestion. You can do that or you can just
unplug and just not participate.You can you can have silence.

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Silent resistance is cool. That's that's fair.
I guess in a way it helps dampenthe the voice.
And, and, and I do agree that wemost people should take
accountability, but we can't pretend like all the people who

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were like saying that, like the warnings that were happening.
We can't pretend that the warnings weren't coming from
equal evil like they were the the and we'll say the Democratic
side like absolutely the whole time gaslit us the entire time
all the way back more than 10 years ago, probably closer to

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15, completely gaslit us. And then gaslit is the through
the whole Biden administration. And it's like, I can't blame for
people for like not heeding the warning that is coming from like
very obvious, like dishonest gaslighters.

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That's why I didn't vote for either side this time around
because they I just, I really felt like the evil and on both
sides and I'm, I just unplugged silent resistance.
And don't let nobody make you feel bad or think that like

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because you choose to resist in your own ways that, you know,
based on your experience, like stand, stand on your own morals.
Really. But when I see a situation where
we can actually like as like, like, you know what we do here,
where we discuss things like even when we sit on opposite

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ends of whatever spectrum, like we can do that as like a larger
community and as the government,like our part in the government,
that's when I start like plugging back in.
I guess like, my worry with likethe wider idea of like silent
resistance is silent resistance leads to like everybody who

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tried to fight against terrible things happening end up getting
persecuted themselves. And then eventually, like those
people don't exist anymore. And then it's only the people
that silent really resist left, plus the people that agree with
what is happening. And that means nothing's going
to ever change because like, those people will get targeted.

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Those people will go be gone after like it's been like weeks
now since there was a literal political assassination.
Yeah, yeah. On multiple politicians, who was

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going to go after a long list ofDemocratic politicians?
Not a single word from the president about it, and actually
the only thing said about it in regards to it or talking about
how terrible the governor of that state is because he's a

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Democrat. Right.
Yeah, that's awful. This is like slowly more and
more just going to become like a, if you believe in other
politics other than the one thatis president, like you're going
to be persecuted and silent resistance will lead to all of

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those people being imprisoned, taken away, and the country just
going further down a path of irredeemability or a place where
it cannot be saved. Like, you will end up in a
situation like Russia where you have Putin in there for like 30
years and anyone who speaks out is mysteriously assassinated.

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And it's not like there's a limit to that.
Like, you can go online and finda list of like 18.
I mean forget I forget how many or like dozens of like
millionaires and billionaires that have suspiciously died
after speaking out against him like.
No, no, that's that's why I'm. Not saying that would happen in

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this country, I'm saying like when you don't push back on
things. I think unchecked power can lead
people down roads that even though they themselves don't see
themselves capable of doing. I think I think you're right in
in many senses, but I also disagree at the same time
because the most powerful thing you can do to anyone and to

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anything is ignore it. That's the worst thing you can
do to a lot of people's in most cases.
But like entire empires, colonial empires have been
broken down through nonviolent silent resistance.
So historically that's not true.But it does a lot, and I think

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it does more than people think. When you unplug and you just
don't participate, like it's hard to keep a game going.
And that's really what it is, a big game, a big sinister game.
It's hard to keep a game going when half the players are just
sitting there not participating in the game.

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Like the first time around with Trump, right when he was making
his very racist policy statements against like South
Americans and Central Americans.Our community has, you know, is
a big, there's a big population of, of those folks and the whole

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community that we're a part of collectively decided, OK, on
this day, we're going to have a peaceful protest where every
South American family in this community, you're going to shut
your businesses down for the dayand not participate in the
economy just for 124 hours, right?
Everyone collectively agreed on that.

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It fucked shit up so bad. And I, it really just blew my
mind. It fucked shit up so bad that
UPS was fucked up in South Jersey, right?
And that was just one day of these businesses just deciding
we're not going to participate in this economy.
And if it, it sent a big messageat that point.

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And so there's many ways where you just like just choose not to
participate and you could actually get a lot done.
But if you want to participate, I, I support people like you who
want to say, you say, like, I want to get my hands dirty.
I want to get in there and I want to like really stand on my
morals and say what I feel and like speak out against like

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obvious evils and stuff. And I totally support that too.
But my my form of protest is just as valid and just as
useful, I think. I, I wasn't saying it wasn't, I
was saying about like my worries, like I feel, I don't
know, I look at like a lot of the times I look at like end
game scenarios, like where things like lead us down.

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Yeah, I get that. Can I say something to that?
OK. Like, because you mentioned like
the freedom of speech and like with Putin and, and things like
that and over there. But like if we just focus on
America historically, there's probably most, I think we

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actually looked up the statistics on this.
Most US presidents have in some shape or form attack to freedom
of speech. And but there's like including
some shit with Trump, there's been like 10/11/12 like really
big situations that was like huge attacks on, on the freedom

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of speech throughout like American history.
I mean, as far back as the late 1700s, right?
And we can like we picked out all those big ones.
So I guess what I'm saying is like this isn't our first go
around with like having the freedom of our speech, like
being attacked. And like we always figure that

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one out and like we get back to right where we need to be, where
we all stand on freedom of speech.
So I just don't, I don't know. I don't worry.
I really feel like once Trump's out of office, like, and the
more boomers are out of office like, the more we're actually

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going to go in the right direction.
So I really feel like this bad ride is only about 8 more years
long. I can see that.
I just like when you say like weend up all right.
I think we end up all right because of the people
specifically that choose not to silent protest and actually like
are the politicians and people outside like forcing pressure on

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administration for change? That's just not true bro like
literally all of our mobile AL like shut down a whole bus
industry just because they decided to silently not
participate in the buses economy.
I see what you're saying. Yeah, come on, man.

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Word. Of like silent resist, I just
like not participating at all inthe discourse.
Yeah, I have nothing to say. I have no money to give.
I don't want your services. Testing is a form of I.
I feel like in my mind it's justa difference of definitions.
OK. That's what I'm trying to get

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at. It's like in my mind, like a
silent by not participating, you're not participating.
If you're protesting in some form or another, you're
participating. It's not silent like your
actions are speaking, right? I guess not a silent protest.
Right. So I guess that's just where I'm

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at, like with that, Yeah. So it's just a difference of
like definition then. I'm cool with that being the
case. What you're saying?
Yeah, just you don't have to participate like in any fashion
at all. That's it.
No, it's, it's great that you're, it's good.
I'm not disagreeing. I want to reiterate like I'm not
disagreeing about like what you're saying.

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It really is just like a definition.
We're solid on that. Like, yeah, there's no conflict
there. That what you're talking about
is like, I could send you a whole video on it, but it's like
a woman breaking down like she'slike explaining, like why the US
needs to learn how to protest from countries like France or
other European countries. All right, break it down, you

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got example. Talking about those things, like
when something happens in these countries, yeah, people agree to
shut down public services as a collective, things that like
impede the system. But like in this country, like
the obviously like people will get upset, people will get
annoyed, like people will be very upset.

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But that's kind of like the point, like when you
disenfranchise people, when you you're telling people, hey, even
though you don't like this, you still have to participate in the
system. It's like that's not the point.
Like we have in the Constitution, Like we're
supposed to be able to protest, Like, yeah.
Facts. We're supposed to be able to

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speak our mind, like if we feel like we're not being served, we
have peaceful, nonviolent ways to go about plying pressure and
making change. Always will stand on that,
always. And she talks about how like

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they'll get together and like, all right, farmers will just
park their tractors in the street for like a week and
nobody can go anywhere. Like all the people that work
for schools will just stop showing up.
So now parents are stuck with they have to figure out.
Something right? What the fuck will we do people
that work? In restaurants and food areas
and grocery stores and everything just don't show up

(33:08):
for a week. And now nobody can get like,
there's real like change. But everyone has to collectively
agree. And that's just something like
Americans, especially this day and age, like it's been
peaceful. So, so for so long, probably
like realistically since like the Sixties, 60s and 70s, that

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we really do have a whole generation of people that never
really have had to like protest and like organized to create,
like peaceful ways to create change.
And that's why a lot of these things like fizzle out.
Like people don't come up with objectives.
Like people don't have like a thing set in mind when I say

(33:52):
objectives, I mean like, what are you protesting for?
Like, are you guys going to protest until these conditions
are met and people have their needs fulfilled?
Or are you going to like proteston a given day and it just be
like a thing for that day and then it's just going to go away
and everyone's going to forget about it and like fizzle out?

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Because that's all they have to do is let it fizzle out.
Like every time one of these things happen, all they have to
do is let it fizzle out. They know you're not going to go
out there for a week and not show up to work anymore, and
they know that. Yeah.
But that's why these things workin other countries is because
people will stop participating in the systems.

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Like you said, these silent protests, what you're talking
about silent protesting and disrupt the system.
It's different than like people are like kind of misled in this
country too. Like they'll like go unblock a
roadway like for a day or whatever.
It's like that's different. Like, that's different than like
all the farmers showing up in the major city with their

(34:56):
tractors and just blocking all the major roads with their
tractors and just leaving them there.
Yeah. Like it's different having a
couple people blocking a road isnot going to like, I get that
the sentiment. I'm not arguing with the
sentiment. I'm just saying, like her point
in the video was, there's ways that you can learn from other

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countries that have done this successfully, peacefully, to get
change instituted because that stuff can't last.
Like when people stop participating in the society
when they feel like it's not serving them anymore, things
have to change because everyone's affected.
Yeah, it really is is like really disruptive to just the

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flow of like what this this system we've have has set have
set up. And, and the horrifying part is
we actually only have a limited time left to do these kind of
things. Like you talk about 8 years.
Well, eight years, 10 years is also the same kind of timeline

(36:05):
that like all these billionairesand everyone are trying to like
Autumn Eyes, all the industries and replace all the working jobs
with like robotics and AI. Yeah, well, if people aren't
working those jobs, like protesting ain't going to do
shit. Everything's still going to be
working and operating, right? At the end of the day.

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Then the last course of protest will no longer be like available
with the people working in society, but instead with the
people buying. Because your only option will be
to just not purchase, right? And that doesn't leave you a lot
of room to make change. So like this idea of like being

(36:48):
able to like impact the system at large, like they're trying to
get rid of that too. They don't want you disrupting
the system like they're going toreplace all your jobs with
robots and AIS because those things won't protest, Those
things won't show up, won't stopshowing up to work for a week.
If they start getting treated like shit, like things will just
keep going. I want to, I'm going to throw

(37:16):
you a alley oop to validate something you were saying like
through this whole conversation,right on, just to throw you one
back. But then I have a couple things
that I want to that I've been trying to remember to talk to
you about on here and stuff so we can dive into that.

(37:36):
But the alley OOP back to you isI really feel like I I don't, I
don't know, I'm sorry. This is just my take.
I want to stay stuck on it. But I don't think at either time
at any election, the last three elections that there has been

(37:59):
like election fraud. I don't believe that.
What I believe and make, call medumb or call me naive, fine.
But what I believe is that Trumpran on some really strong
sentiments that a lot of middle Americans and like certain folks
really like got pumped for. And people showed the fuck up

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finally, people who probably usually wouldn't vote because
they wanted to vote for him. And then by the time like his
second election came around, I think a lot of people genuinely
got scared. Like we're really getting
scared, including myself. And I think that like that year
that Biden got elected, like it was so powerful, the feeling of

(38:45):
everyone showing up and voting for Biden, like it was, that's
why it was a landslide. Like you could feel that shit.
You could fucking feel it that people wanted that, right?
And I think the reason Trump wasthe same thing happened again,
because like of all the gaslighting through the Biden

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administration and people just went the other way.
Like This is why I always say you never panic.
I feel like the American people panic and they went the other
way. And like, it's just a awful
thing. And they they were actually keep
that thought. Don't lose it.
I'm gonna try. Go ahead, Go ahead.

(39:26):
They were actually also gas lit by everyone to panic like you
had, as much as we talk about them on here like you had
popular podcasters. Yep.
Yeah. No, that's fast.
Gaslighting people, being like. We're not saying they're
responsible, but it was a it wasa factor.
Like, let's be real. Gaslighting.

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Not necessarily. Not just likes.
See, The thing is, it wasn't that they were gas.
Joe Rogan. No, that's who I was thinking
about to not just Joe Rogan, but.
Lots of people, comedians like all of it.
They were being like, we're going to lose America.
Like, in like telling people like, America is not like we're
going to lose everything that America is.

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And they're like, I'm really worried we're going to lose what
America is if Trump doesn't get elected.
And like, that sentiment definitely made people panic.
Yeah. No, I, I, I, I, I do believe
that that's a factor in it for sure.
But the, the, the validation I wanted to give you was that like

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when Trump got re elected, that was I think based on a lot of
people like myself too, like whojust didn't want to participate
in it. You know what I mean?
Like there was just a lot of people who didn't want to
participate in it on both sides.So that just goes to your point

(40:50):
that sometimes when you don't participate, things do get a
little bit worse, right? So like, that's real.
That's definitely real. What?
The fuck? That was me.
Oh, I I was weird, Tommy. It made me feel like I did

(41:10):
something on the we were talkingabout.
You said there's no, you don't think there's any electric
product? I think like yesterday in the
last three elections, I think yesterday the Supreme Court
finally made the order, like it had finally gotten that high to

(41:34):
start reviewing one of the counties that like historically
has been Democrat or something, or had a strong showing for
Democrats that got zero votes for Kamala.
Jesus, yeah, that don't sound right.
And it it's taken like originally it was like months
ago, like the court filing was put in and you know, it takes

(41:58):
time for these guys to bubble up.
And now the Supreme Court has ruled, Supreme Court judge has
ruled like that county needs to be recounted and investigated to
make sure that there was no voter fraud.
And if it turns out there was, that's going to open up lots of
other places to also being subjected to recounts and re

(42:23):
evaluations. I guess as they should, right?
I mean, 0 is a crazy number. Yeah, that doesn't seem right.
Yeah, thing is like, I forget the name of the places, like
Rock View or something. Something rock, I think.
Not a rock. They don't vote, not here.

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Unless, unless you're Trump, then you might think then you
might claim they may be voting here.
That I don't know comedy style. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh man. Start.
About something fun. Damn, why?
I kind of wanted to talk about another serious topic.
OK, no, I hit it. You said you had a list of

(43:07):
things you wanted to talk about,so hit me with them.
Yeah, I was trying to remember things that we were actually
talking about, and I was like, yo, that would be a good
conversation for us to dissect together on on the show.
Well, the one thing I've been meaning to, like, come back
around with you with is the video you sent me a couple weeks
ago with the people who got in afight in McDonald's or whatever

(43:30):
restaurant. You remember.
It was like a Door Dasher and hehad a GoPro on and there was an
old man with a kid. Yeah, Yeah.
Yeah. And the dude was like with his
daughter, Yeah. And his daughter just had to
stand there and be like just exist while like I heard that or
whatever it was like to stop testosteroning out or something.

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I don't know what you want to call that, but it just, I just
in my mind, I just felt bad for the daughter the whole time
because that's like one of thosesituations I feel like everybody
can relate to probably, OK, maybe not everybody, maybe
people had normal parents. But like being at, at some point

(44:12):
in a situation where like as a kid, you kind of just want to
comply and get by and exist mostof the time.
And the moment you see your parent not comply with like
something and start pushing back, it's like, whoa, what's
going on? This is awkward.
Like this is really awkward. What is happening?
I feel like for children, it actually, like, sucks them out

(44:34):
of this actual reality and puts them into, like, some weird,
trippy, like, alternate feeling reality where it really feels
like the room gets hot and stuffy and it feels like there's
not a lot of air to breathe and it gets real tunnel visiony.
Right? Because really, essentially,
it's all trauma, Yeah. I was going to say 100% like a

(44:54):
traumatic event, like you'll remember that event forever.
I I. Think personally that the older
man was more wrong in the situation.
And I hate to say that the youngman was wrong in my opinion.
I'm just like, I'm putting it ifI was in the shoes and like if I
was the door dasher in that situation, right?

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Because I thought a lot about this and the reason I wanted us
to talk about it. Context.
There was a door Dasher and a man with his daughter.
And I guess the guy was upset that the Doordasher had cut in
front of him. But the Doordasher was trying to
explain to him is like, no, there's food already here made
for me. I'm supposed to get it.
I'm doing my job and I'm going to go deliver it.
Like, I'm not cutting you in line.

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Like the food's already done. Like I'm just doing my job.
And the guy didn't seem to understand the concept of like
what DoorDash was. Yeah, yeah.
And you know, and now, like listening to the context you
gave, like it's really hard to say that the Door Dasher was
wrong in the situation too, because he kind of wasn't really

(45:59):
wrong. Like, like I said, the old man
was more wrong. But the reason I wanted to bring
it up was because like, just in case my kids listen to this
episode and like, we can talk about it, but like, I'm I would
never be in that situation ever in my life.
Will I ever be in that situation?

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In fact, I'm terrified of havingthat situation anywhere I go.
And I'm big. Like I'm big, but you can ask my
family or if you go out in public with me grocery shopping
or to the store to anywhere likeI'm a big pussy.

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And I use, excuse me a lot. I use it so much that I use it
when you don't even need to use it, but I still use it just in
case. Me.
Me too, but only with my customers.
I mean that's me whenever I go out in public period like that
too, I will be a pussy and avoidany type of conflict I can avoid

(47:03):
at any given time. Like I don't care about how I
look. I don't care about my ego.
Like I don't care about being tough.
Like I will just like avoid it at all costs.
And like I even tell my kids like all the time, like we're
walking through the store. It makes me mad and I'll stop.
I'm gonna be like, I'm not hearing you guys say excuse me
enough. Like I need to hear that a

(47:24):
little bit more. Like we're in here store full of
people navigating these aisles. Like you need to say, excuse me
all the time. Like it's a big deal.
And like when I go into fast food restaurants like that,
because the way, the way the oldman was standing, like you
couldn't really tell that he waslike in line.

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He was, you know, but for me, I would have been like, even if it
didn't make any sense, I would still have been like, whatever.
Because I just look at the situations where I go on and I
ask people like, Hey, you guys in line, I don't want to cut
you. Like, even if it's obvious that
they're not in line, just because I don't want that
conflict. Listen, man, you don't know what

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people are going through. You don't know what kind of bad
day people are having. You don't know what kind of pain
and emotion that someone is walking around with.
And like, you don't know who's ready to crash the fuck out at
any given second. Like those two men were equally
as deadly to each other and to that little girl.

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Like you just don't know. You don't know.
Like the video, the Internet is full of gore videos where people
kill each other over emotion, over irrational situations, over
snow shoveling, over cutting grass, like people kill each
other over the stupidest, dumbest things.
And like we just are going through it in the streaming

(48:49):
world right now with this shit to happen in Las Vegas.
It's just completely senseless and it's sad.
The streamer, 2 streamers who had beef with each other on
Internet, I don't even want to talk about it.
It's tragic man. You don't know what anyone's
capable of doing, no matter how much of A pussy they look like
or how old they look or how fucking vulnerable they look

(49:11):
like. You don't know what people are
capable of. And like, I seen this.
Maybe you sent it to me. Somebody put me onto this on the
Internet, but a guy was breakingit down like your your, your
toughness needs to like you needto be your toughness needs to be
kindness. Like you need like that's your
protest. Like your kindness, like I'm

(49:31):
going to walk out and I'm going to be as kind as I fucking can
to as many people, right? You know what I mean?
Like you don't know what people.So you just need to always go to
extra mile to be as polite as possible.
You know how many it eats me up?You know how many times I walk
through and I say excuse me, or I say polite things to people
and they just completely ignore you and just keep walking by

(49:53):
like you didn't even speak? Like I'm still going to do it
and I'm going to keep doing it 'cause like I just it, that's
just the best thing for everyoneto do is just be as polite as
you possibly can 'cause you justdon't fucking know, man.
You really don't. Like, I ain't trying to
McDonald's. Please come on, like it.
God, don't let me go out that way.

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Not not over McDonald's. My message is so much bigger
than than me being taken out in a McDonald's lobby over over a
spot in line. Like no, like I.
Got I got time. I'll go stand by the trash can
and let everyone standing in there buy, wait and get their
food and move out and then go order before I'll have a

(50:36):
conflict with anyone in that fucking store.
Yeah. I I said I agree with you, but
like I agree with you for different reasons.
Like I do the same thing, but I do it out of like not I don't
will you say it's being a pussy?So I don't know if that's like
fear, but like I do it out of just politeness, like if I'm in

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a public space. I'm just giving something for
people to connect to like. You know, because I'm like, I do
all of that stuff you're talkingabout, but I just do it out of
pure like politeness, like out of kindness.
Like, yeah, I don't care these people are rude people or don't
reciprocate or whatever else. Like I would do it because of
kindness. Like I want to be kind to people
in public. I want to be nice to people in

(51:22):
public. Like when I'm at my job and I'm
communicating with complete random people, like I talk with
them. Like I want to be kind to
people. It feels good to be kind to
people, to talk to people, to see people laugh, like have like
small, small talk, but small talk in a way that like it's a
real engagement, like for a brief moment.

(51:44):
And it like makes somebody's dayjust a little bit better.
Like little jokes here and there, like whatever.
Yep. And but at the same time, it's
like you're saying all this shitand I'm like sitting here
reflecting back because like, there's some days where I'll
have like the most miserable daypossible.
And those will be the days whereI'm still kind to everybody.

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But the moment like somebody shoplifts, I follow them out to
their car and I'm at their car telling them like, Yo, you got
to give that back or I'm callingthe cops.
And it's like those are the moments where like my dumb ass
would get popped. Like it's like I'm not even
thinking like my, in my mind, I'm just so annoyed with life
and like hate being alive in that moment that like my brain

(52:30):
just shuts off and I just like go out into the parking lot
after people and I'm just like, what are you going to do?
Like give my family life insurance Like please.
Like it'll fix so many problems.Oh my gosh.
I don't care at that point anymore.
Oh, that's heavy dog. My.
DM just had to stop me like lastweek because I followed some

(52:51):
dude into the parking lot while he was trying to get into his
car and he's like wait when we Igot his license plate and
everything when we got back inside he's like he's like you
scared me please don't do that anymore.
Yeah, see that? But my brain was just because we
had just lost the well and everything, and my brain was
just like not. Even in the right head.
Space anymore and I'm just like.I'm glad you're bringing this

(53:14):
up. And I'm just like, I was just at
a point where I'm just like, I don't care.
Like please try me try me. I call that because I, I wanted
to say also that like, I have moments of weakness too, where
like, and that's what scares me is because I call it monkey
brain. I have monkey brain.
Like, you're just not in your right mind.

(53:34):
You're in that primal instinct. Yeah.
You're just like, is is no good.Operating from that place leads
to nowhere good at all. Always like I'm so mad at myself
afterwards 'cause I'm like, yo, like I just put myself in the
dumbest situation. Like yeah, it's like shit just
turned off. Like it just turned off.
Like literally just turns off. I'm just like, I've chose

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violence, like borderline basically.
And most of the time it's like, I'm not even the kind of person.
It's so crazy because I'm not even the kind of person to be
pressed about people shoplifting.
Like I'll literally be like, that shit's above my pay grade.
Like I don't know what they're going through.
If the company wants to deal with people shoplifting, they
need a higher security. That's not my job.

(54:19):
And then it's like, and then I get into moments like that where
it's like, oh, you tried me on the wrong day, motherfucker.
Like it's completely contradictive to the kind of
person I am and like try to operate myself as like in the
majority of my life. I see what you're saying.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I can relate to you 100%
when I'm. Like where'd that come from?

(54:40):
Like where where is that? What that's like?
Who is this person that comes out?
Like, I don't know that person. Like where do you come from?
Yeah, you know, like I, I don't think I'll ever work retail
again if I can help it. Like if I have to, I have to,
I'm knocking on wood, but like, if I can help and I'm not going

(55:02):
to. But one thing I could tell you
for sure is like, I ain't never going to give a fuck about a
shoplifter ever again in my life.
Yeah. No, no, that's my general like,
like I'll do the basics, like they say, like whatever, like
got to go give them customer service, like pull the belt
across the lane. But like other than that, no.

(55:23):
Like I'm not. Yeah, like, I'm sure we talked
about this on the pod probably years ago, whatever.
But like that shoplifter where we used to work on my birthday
and I got pepper sprayed by thatshoplifter like shit.
Nah. Well, actually I got lucky.
That you're like, I'm done. Like, no, this ain't a chief.
Yeah, Tell that story again. Fuck it, it's been awhile.

(55:46):
Have I ever told it on here? I don't know if you told it on
here. Yeah, I don't, I don't know if I
did because that was actually the year that we started this
podcast. So that might have like missed
the content, you know, But you know, that turned into such a
happy from a happy day to like acrazy ass like not so happy

(56:08):
moment. Yeah, I bet you got pepper
spray. Because I think like, I don't
think I was, I don't think I seemy kids for a little while at
that time. So I was super bummed about
that. And it was my birthday and I'm
like working three jobs and like, it was a fucking mess.
And I came into work and every as soon as I got in, the head

(56:31):
cashier was like the store managers in the break room that
she wants to have then want you back there for a meeting or
whatever. And I go back there and everyone
surprised me with a birthday cake and like it was like dope,
right? And we're like, hey, I'm opening
cards and we're laughing having a little cake.
It was fun. And then we get.
Be little things too sometimes, like.

(56:52):
Yo we. Talk shit about places so much,
but like we also know that there's like little moments of
like little glistenings of like something beautiful that was
still there. Like with the community like.
We love moments, like we live for moments.
Yeah, I swear, me and you like if there's one thing that we
both hold so dear to like who weare as people, we live so much

(57:15):
for just we'll do a whole week of bullshit if we know we might
get like 1 little moment that wecan hold on to facts.
It's worth it then, like if you get that little moment.
Yo, 100 on that and that shit felt really nice.
That was really, really sweet ofeveryone.
And then we get the pager to come up front or whatever.

(57:37):
Or maybe we just went back to work and then something a
shoplifter came and had like a car to stuff and was trying to
leave. And everyone in the store kind
of got called up to the front just as like, because shit was
getting really tense and just aslike witnesses and support and
stuff. Because in retail you're
supposed to follow certain rules.

(57:58):
And I don't, I don't know what really happened for most, some
people just this day. But so I don't really know.
I don't remember the details of the build up.
I just know we were all standingup front and you had the store
manager and assistant store manager and they were kind of
like had hands on a shopping cart and stuff.

(58:21):
And the shoplifter had hands on the cart and we're all standing
there watching it. And then this is my best
speculation. The shoplifter thought like,
thought that the assistant storemanager was going to do

(58:45):
something violent. And so she responded to her.
And although I don't believe that the assistant store manager
would have, but when you're in survival mode and you don't know
what people are capable of, you just respond to body language
and things like that, right? So when that happens, the store

(59:07):
manager, out of compassion and maybe a motherly instinct, ran
towards the shoplifter to protect the assistant store
manager. I took it more like, if you're
going to do something to someone, you have to do it to
me. Like don't hurt this person.
I care about type of yeah thing.And where she fucked up is when

(59:32):
you run up on someone like that.They think you'd about to get
jumped. Like you're going to do
something. Once you cross that line, you
get to that point. Like you have to do something
because they're in. Fight or flight?
There's going to be a response waiting for you.
And so she ran up like she was going to do something, although
I didn't think she was going to do anything either.

(59:52):
And that person like, responded to that.
So now it's turned into like a physical altercation between 3
females, 2 managers and a shoplifter.
And everyone turns and looks at me because like I'm the only
man, no. There so everyone's looking at

(01:00:13):
me like. There's a bit in.
This ace do something. There's a bit in this and I'm
like thinking in my head, like, what the fuck am I supposed to
do? So I go over there and like all
I was going to do was just try to like just separate them.
And I get like four or five steps from her and I just see, I

(01:00:35):
see the can of Mace come out andshe nails both managers square
dead in the eyeballs. Like a lot, like a lot, right.
And when I seen the cannon maze.Practices on that shit like Mike
Tyson in the ring type shit. Like, no, what it really is is

(01:00:55):
it does some people in this world, that's about it, and some
people who just seem like they're about it and they're not
about it it. Was just making.
Fun. No, no, no, no.
Because listen. You're right, you're right.
Keep going, it'll get derailed. Keep going, she sprays.
Them with the Mace, what's like in my opinion, they just they

(01:01:16):
let it happen to themselves. Like who the fuck lets
themselves like what? Let me explain you.
See that Mace coming? You turn away.
Look, you move out the. Way she's I, I'm like 3-4 feet
away from her, right? I'm just, I'm like I'm saying
hey, guys, all right, guys, let's stop guys, right.
She sprays both of them dead in the eyes with Mace and I see her

(01:01:37):
make eye contact with me and herhand went towards me and I put
my head in my shirt and I could feel the spray hit my shirt
right. Homie out here got the Bible
instincts. There's other people out here
man. They get eaten by dinosaurs bro
it's crazy. Unfortunately, I hate to say
this, but I'm going to be real. That is just something you

(01:01:59):
fucking learn from getting arrested.
You know you're going to get pepper sprayed.
You fucking, you try to get thatshirt up over your fucking face.
Anyway, I digress, professional.I've just been arrested.
So I my head's in my shirt and Icould feel the vibration of the
Mace hitting my shirt. And of course, like I could feel

(01:02:20):
little splatters coming in. It's like hitting my forehead.
My forehead was on fire that night, but I got none in my
fucking eyes. Thank God.
So I feel it stopped. So I pulled my shirt out like to
look and she went back, she doubled back for me.
I went back in the shirt again at this time said double tap.
Yeah. This time I like, I'd like, ran

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away as my face was in the shirtand that was the end of that.
And she left and we had to call the ambulance and the cops and
everything. And like I was trying to tell
the managers, I'm like, the ambulance are going to come, but
like there's nothing no one can do for you.
This just has to run its course.Wasn't it?
Wasn't That is the same situation where that person that

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ran off said that they was goingto come back and shoot up the
place? Yep, that was the that was the
second altercation with that same person.
I was there for that too. But you know, and because we're
being vague enough to talk aboutit, what was really fucked up
was she got out of the store andgot all the way down to Ralph's

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and the assistant store manager chased her all the way down
there to get the stuff back. And at that point she said, I'm
coming back and I'm going to take care of such and such, such
and such and such and such. And I'm like, I think I might
have left that day actually, because like I, I don't give
look, I take everyone at face value.

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I. Wasn't there that day.
And I think you texted me when you were like, I'm out.
Like you were like, I got out ofthere.
Like some shit just went down. Yeah, this is goes to the
beginning of our conversation. Listen, people shoot up stores,
schools, theaters, Walmarts likeit happens all the this is
America. This shit happens all the
fucking time. So if you tell me I'm.

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Going to take that right seriously.
I'm taking a serious. I'm going to fuck home.
I got people I love, dude. It's crazy too, because like,
the stores will still want you to operate and it's like that
they ain't got security. There's no police there.
Like they just, they're like, they just want to call it bluff
and make some money. Yeah, fuck that shit.
Like that's the craziest part tome.

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Like there's so much so that there's like when the, when the,
when Iran got, when Iran got bombed.
Yeah. People were already making memes
like World War three just started.
I know, but like, you're still coming into work today, right?
Jesus type shit. It's like, it's so true, It's so

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true, it's sick, but it's so true.
I can't believe you got pepper spray, that's so funny.
Yeah, yeah, that shit, that shitwas wow.

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I thankfully I thankfully I think trying to I'm trying to
recall. I think I've been good about
avoiding most conflicts, even though like I for some reason
like constantly put myself in a stupid situation still

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occasionally that was a contradiction.
I've thankfully been able to avoid most like I I I'm trying
to think like any major situation.
I don't think so. You ever go back and apologize?
Deescalate. What's that?
You ever go back and apologize? 2 I'll like.

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Somebody I've I've pressed. Not that you pressed him, but
you just had some off situation with them where you're.
Like all the time. Yeah, I'll go back.
I'll double back if I see that person again.
Like I'll walk up and be like, I'm sorry about this other
encounter. And a lot of times they try to
play it off like what you talking about?
It's like, no, this encounter here and I did this and I was

(01:06:18):
being an asshole because I had abad day that day.
And I just want you to know, I'msorry.
Yeah, I've well, I've done that,but it's usually never like with
customers, like it's usually with people I work with.
Yeah and it's usually like I'll just disassociate isn't even the
right word, but like I just don't want it Like I'm I

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genuinely think like I'm bipolar, but all right, go
ahead. If you ask people that I, if you
talk to people I work with, they'll tell you they think I'm
bipolar. You said the same shit word for
word about autism bro would yourself diagnose an ass?
Like come on, give it up, give it up.

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But because people. I'm like twin, you don't have
autism. You're like bro if you ask the
people I work with. That's funny.
But if you, if you do talk to people I work with, like I have
two moods and it's never like there's almost never like a

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rhyme or reason to the transitions.
Like I have like a mood of like,don't talk to me.
I'm not in the mood to talk to nobody full RBF.
Like I'm just going to do my work.
I don't want to participate in anything.
Leave me out of it. Don't want a small talk.
I'm gonna talk to my customers. I'm not gonna talk to you.
I'm my Co worker like and that'sit.

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And it's like blinders on. Leave me alone, Stay out my
face. 100% everything you said is actual facts. 100% for you,
if someone, if someone was like what's the most abusive quality
twin has and you have to come upwith something, I would say

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that. And then?
Because I've experienced it working with you in retail and
like, I know like that is some real ass shit.
And the problem is this is whereit's like I'm being funny, but
this is where it's like it is abusive.
It's like you don't know which twin you're going to get that
day before he walks in the door.And there's been many days where

(01:08:30):
I'm like, I'm pumped. I'm like, oh, I'm so I work with
my boy today. I can't wait till he comes in.
I'm so hype. And then you're walking and I'll
see it in your face. I'm.
Like it'll be in my face for sure.
That's how they, that's how theyall describe it.
And then they'll be like, sometimes there's just a moment
in the day where like a you hit a switch and all of a sudden
you're like talking to people like like the whole like last

(01:08:52):
five hours of the morning didn'thappen, like where you was like
tuning the fuck out, like leave me alone type motherfucker.
Like and all of a sudden you want to be chatty, Patty.
Like, yeah, something stemmed you out.
But that's how I am like it's just like, and I can't control
it. Like if I don't feel like I
don't know what it is, it just really is like I'm like I say

(01:09:15):
like a social battery or whatever else, or like I just
want to be in my head thinking to myself or I don't want to be
bothered, just want to do my job.
Like, and sometimes I look like I'm in that mode, but I'm not in
that mode. I want to talk to people, but I
have RBF. So it's like you'll think I'm
like in pissed off mode and likedon't want to fuck with nobody.

(01:09:37):
Like leave me the fuck alone. I'm just trying to do my shit.
And you start talking to me and then it's I'll like come out the
shell and be like, oh, whatever.Like in a good mood, like yeah.
And my customers get like a different experience than like
my coworkers get. Like my customers will get like
amazing me and like my Co workers will have to juggle both
like both sides. And I don't mean it to like be

(01:10:01):
mean to them. It's just like how I move.
Like, I don't know how to control that because I hate
being, I'm not going to go in and like, pretend to be happy,
right? No, because I I hate man.
That's so painful and exhausting.
I do it. I will do it if I need to.
It's a survival thing that that what you're talking about, but
that's just so exhausting, man. You want to talk about like

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social battery. That's like if you have like the
regular output, however much that drains from that battery,
like when you have to like be those pretend things for
whatever reason, that like sucksmore energy.
It's that's why I it's less efficient.
That's where that first mode comes from.

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The first mode comes from understanding and recognizing
like that fake shit will drain me even more and I'm already
drained. Like I'm like I'm in like
energy, like sleep mode, like energy mode, energy conservation
mode, like I'm here to do my tasks.
I got too much on my mind. I'm thinking about other shit.
Like my job is here to be a job right now.
If I want to talk with you or have something to say, I'll

(01:11:05):
interact with you. Otherwise, you're free to come
and interact with me. But like you're not guaranteed
reciprocation. I'm I don't owe you that.
No, that's very true. And that's probably, I really do
think this and we can dive into.It if we want, go for it.
But that's something that peoplethink that they might

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understand, but I think most people just don't truly
understand that, that like the reciprocation isn't owed at all.
But I realized I think that that's because most people are
walking around hurt and broken from experiences where people

(01:11:48):
were silently upset with them. So like I can assume that you
have you have me as a friend andthen you have like probably like
what, a few more likewise peopleor somewhere in the general
whatever anyway, like people. I have a very small circle.
And. On purpose.
Like also like, while I would like to have more friends, it's

(01:12:10):
just difficult. Like I don't fuck with that many
people. I don't fuck with that many
people on purpose because I'm sorry, there's not that many
people I like to fuck with. Like I'm not just going to fuck
with you because I want to fuck with you.
I'm going to fuck with you if you, like, hit all my boxes.
Like you got to check some boxesoff.
Like I there's like certain qualities to an individual that
I want to keep around me. I'm not just going to keep,

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like, poison around me on purpose.
No respect, just to like, appease them.
Yeah, Yeah, respect. What was I saying?
Certain qualities. Let me scratch my and the mic.

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Like what were you saying? I had said.
I was talking about like, I'm just not going to fuck with you,
just to fuck with you. Oh, like, I feel like there's a
lot of my peers who struggle with understanding like, like

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the people in their lives. Like, because I remember someone
was talking to me one time or maybe I read this on the
Internet and it was like, you want to know why?
I ask you? Is everything all right?
So much? It's like, have you ever had
anyone silently fold the clothesat you or silently wash the

(01:13:41):
dishes at you? And I know like a lot of my
peers grew up in homes where that happened, where like there
was this passive silent aggression that was kind of like
whatever was going on. And in the parents lives or the
grandparents or the adults lives, there was like this
energy that was kind of aimed silently and you could feel that

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and like, you know, so I feel like there's a lot of people in
society who walk around that's and they're always like, are you
OK? Are you OK?
Oh, shit, twin's not acting right today.
Did I do something? Like, you got so many people
like that in society and then itjust doesn't mix well with your
energy. And it's like, that's that

(01:14:24):
thing. Because when I say like people
don't really understand that like that the reciprocation
isn't owed and that it's not personal, but it's, but it's
like they don't have the capacity to understand that it's
not personal because they've dealt with so much silent
aggression their whole life or, or in their like romantic

(01:14:52):
relationships. Or maybe they had really
narcissistic best friends growing up and like they had
those kinds of relationships with them.
You know, you never know. I have like.
Just like noticing the disconnect I don't have a really
explanation for. It yeah, we can go into like
some we would talk here there's a couple places I'll just
highlight some things like one, one thing is like, I guess like

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a lot of times in one of my older or my past relationship,
my the one I was in for four years.
Yeah there would be a lot of moments for me personally where
like, and it's taken me a lot tolike even get to where I am now.
And it's really hard for me evenin my own household or in my own

(01:15:40):
life still to like move around and like sometimes I have to
explain this to new friends because they'll do something and
I'll go quiet and like disassociate after that or it's
like I used to get shut down a lot.
So like anytime I would get excited about something or want
to, I want to share something that like I found really

(01:16:02):
interesting in my relationship, I would get shut down.
Like me being excited or happy about something like somehow was
like a issue if like it was coming from an outside source
and not the individual. Like that's all I could chop it
up to. Yeah, I'm following you, man.

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So it just like ended up in a lot of situations where like I
couldn't even be happy about things that like I was happy
about or interested in because it would just get shut down and
then I could never be excited about shit.
Damn. And so like maybe that's like,
Brad, some kind of energy in me now where like I only share

(01:16:45):
things that I'm interested in with people that are close to me
that I know I can share those things with.
And then I just block everybody else out because I'm like none
of y'all want to hear this shit anyways.
Like get out my face. Like I'm not going to waste my
time and energy with all you people.
Like I'm not going to sit here and deal with rejection.
I'm not going to sit here and deal with like whatever bullshit

(01:17:07):
you got to say or what kind of bullshit ass energy you're going
to give me. I'm just going to give it to
people that I know that I've like trial tested and work
through that I know like aren't going to be pieces of shit to
Me. 2 Definitely like passive aggressive energy is like a real
thing, I guess. And you probably, if you've gone

(01:17:29):
through it, like you can experience it more.
Like I've definitely gone through those things and you can
definitely tell if it's like directed at you, like whatever
the fuck. Like it is like that kind of
energy, like you can tell something's up or something's
off and, and like woo woo talk. It's like, I feel like people
have auras. I've always said that, said it

(01:17:53):
more recently, like more often because it's like, I mean, maybe
you can attest to me saying this, but there's definitely
been times where we're hanging out and something throws you off
your like state of mind or whatever we're talking about or
whatever mood you're in and likeyou won't say anything.

(01:18:16):
Like, we'll just be vibing. We'll just be vibing in silence
and enjoying each other silence as like great friends do.
Yeah. And something will happen.
And it's like the atmosphere of the universe changes and it's
like, you can just tell some shit, like shifted.
And I'll be like, what's up? Like what?

(01:18:38):
Like what? Like what's on your mind, dude?
Because like, your energy just like, is so different.
Like all of a sudden you're like, I just got this text about
like some of my words, some bullshit or whatever else.
It's like you could just tell those things.
Like, yeah, it's still been silent this whole time.
But like, it's like something inthe air, like, or if it's like

(01:18:59):
pheromones or I don't know what it is, but it's like a whole
energy just shifts. And you could just tell like
when people all of a sudden havea whole, like, internal energy
shift just by like, being there,though instincts, right?
Yeah, it's got to be something. And the same thing at work.
Like I feel like I can so tell even or just in my daily life,

(01:19:20):
like maybe it's instincts, whatever.
I feel like I can just tell likewhen people are being
disingenuous. Oh yeah, and it.
Saved me so much in my life whenpeople try to lie to my face
when people are talking to me, when people are just moving
Shady. Yeah.
It's like you can just like it'slike a stink.
Like you could just tell I'm like what?
Wherever the fuck that comes from.

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Like that's been a lifesaver. I always say you can smell
disingenuous behaviour from a mild way.
I always say that every time people ask me about podcasts,
like, Oh yeah, I want to start apodcast.
You got some advice? Number one advice all the time.

(01:20:04):
Like whatever you do, whatever it is, make sure it's real.
Yeah, be real. And then maybe like the last
thing is like, while I do have that, that FirstEnergy, I stated
like I'm at two sides, right? I'll make it, will make it two
sides for simplicity's sake. Obviously I'm more comp,
everyone's more complex than twosides.

(01:20:25):
But like for simplicity's sake, like let's say I got these two
sides, when I'm in that first side, ain't nobody getting eye
contact from me. You're not getting like the
instinctual validation of like me validating your existence
through eye contact and the pleasure that like people get

(01:20:47):
off of like having the eye contact made as like you work in
the same ecosystem or environment.
Like you are a ghost in my worldright now until I like, choose
to like let you in. I know you're there, but like,
I'm preserving my energy. I'm preserving my energy and
woo, woo talk again. Because the moment I make eye

(01:21:08):
contact with you, one, you're getting that validation and the
pleasure and satisfaction of like me making eye contact with
you. But two, I'm not taking on
whatever is like going on in your soul, like and like,
especially if you're someone who's being disingenuous to me
or like I'm just operating on myown shit.
Like I don't want to share my soul with you right now.
I'm not making eye contact with you right now.

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I'm not making eye contact with you right now.
My boss has something to sit here and say to me.
This is he's sitting breaking everything down.
I don't do this to be rude. I do this to be like, I got a
lot of my own shit going on right now.
I'm going to listen to everything you got to say.
I'm going to do it and I'm not going to respond.
I'm just going to go like nod myhead.
I'm going to be like this the whole time.

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And I'm like, you can tell that I'm like I'm listening, but like
I'm just not like I just don't care for none of it right now.
And I'm and you know, I'm a go do it.
But like, you just know now I'm like in one of those like, all
right, whatever. Like, yeah, what else?

(01:22:14):
Like what else? But I'm not giving you my soul
when I'm doing that. Like, you know what I mean?
Like that look is not like I'm not letting you in.
Like I'm gonna listen. I'm sitting here listening, all
right, I got it. But I'm not letting you in

(01:22:38):
because I do think that's real. I went, I did like a whole.
I should send it to you. I did like.
There might be something to it. Honestly.
I did a whole like. 1520 minute rant as like a little test run
for like some some stuff I've thought about doing.

(01:22:58):
I've talked to you about don't get me, don't gas me up.
And I talked about like, whatever it is like when you
like look in people's eyes, likewhat?
What is that? And like everything around that.
And I just sat here in my silence with my coffee in the
morning and just talk by myself for like 20 minutes about it,
like trying to explore this likethought concept.

(01:23:20):
Yeah. I don't know how anyone else
thought it like thought it was. I might have put it out there
somewhere in the secret world, but for me, damn.
But for me, it was more of like a test run for like being like,
oh, wow, like this is like, likeI thought like if it's a certain

(01:23:44):
subject that I'm interested in, I definitely think like both of
us. I think we can do it because
I've said you should do a solo pot where you just talk by
yourself like Bill Burr style. I think we can do.
It on the Ace Forward podcast. Just do both of what I do.
Some solo episodes, some I can see you sitting down in the

(01:24:07):
morning, like with the, I didn'thave a sheet of paper because I
just had like a specific conceptin mind that I wanted to talk
about. I can see you sitting down and
like having some things that areon your mind and being like
sitting there and just talking with yourself and trying to work
through it and asking just the open air like your questions and

(01:24:27):
trying to come to your own. That's what I do.
That's what I did. That's what I do.
That's that's what I do when I'min that first state of mind,
like those two sides, that firstone where I'm where I'm not
fucking with nobody and I'm in my own.
That's me in my own mind. That's me being like doing the

(01:24:47):
self processing, asking myself questions, moving about my day,
trying to figure things out, thinking about my projects,
thinking about this and that. Like I'm present, I'm doing my
stuff. But also like this is me time
now. Like I hate that I have to do
this job. And sometimes it's in silence.
And in the times that I get to interact with people, like I'll
interact with them and try to soak up those moments.

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But like, if I'm going to be here doing like shit that I
really don't want to do and I'm getting paid for it, like I'm
also going to try to use this time to like improve myself and
some capacity. I'm going to introspect.
I'm going to reflect on my life.I'm going to think about my

(01:25:30):
projects. I'm going to think about
writing. I'm going to think about music.
I'm going to think about problems affecting my life.
And I'm going to think about thepast.
And we're always growing. So it's like, yeah, like you let
the past go. But sometimes it's interesting
and eye opening to revisit the past as you get older and like,

(01:25:54):
keep revisiting the past because, like, you're changing
and you've gained more world experience.
So every time you, like revisit these things, you might revisit
it every day for like months. And then one day you might just
have a breakthrough where you'relike, oh, I never really thought
about it like that. And I can't sit here and like

(01:26:16):
bring my problems and my life experience to every single
person I ever work with or everysingle person I interact with.
But I can sit here amongst myself and be honest with myself
every day and try to like work through my own internal
problems, my own life experiences, the way I've
interacted with other people. I should have said this earlier,

(01:26:38):
the apology thing. I apologize to my Co workers.
Like I apologize to the people Iwork with and my friends.
Like if I, if I ever say anything out of pocket or I ever
feel like I say anything out of pocket, I immediately like try
to reconcile And I'm like, if not immediately, like it'll be
like 1020 minutes later, I'd be like earlier when I said

(01:27:02):
whatever this and that, I didn'tmean it like that.
I meant it like this. Like I hope like whatever,
whatever. Most of the time people are
like, Oh, I didn't think like you meant it in any kind of way.
Like it's cool, don't worry thisand that.
But like I can't not apologize for those things.
Like Oh my God, like my conscious is the guiltiest of
most. Like that shit will chew me up,
spin me out, eat me alive. Like I have to apologize for

(01:27:25):
anything that I'm, if I've come to the realization, like I feel
like I was rude to somebody or like did something wrong or like
whatever. I'm just like, because I'll sit
and think about it all the time.If not, I, I have to fix it.
Unless someone's done me really great.

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Then sometimes I just like, let that let that be what it is.
And I'm like. Let the universe work it.
Out. Yeah, Let the universe work it
out. I'm like, that's, I saw a quote.
It was like something like you don't have to pick rotten fruit,
it falls from the tree on its own or some shit like that.

(01:28:12):
I'm basically saying like, let that shit work itself out.
It'll work itself out. Facts.
You want me to go grab you that water?
You want to wrap it up. Oh, we could wrap it up.
Episode 98. Of the Birthday IP Show 98.

(01:28:37):
Yeah, episode 98. Almost at 100 almost we got to
we got to start like some plans here a hundo.
We got to figure out like what day it falls on, see if we can
or like schedule some like interesting, maybe that list.
I got that list like places to go, like we could do something.

(01:29:01):
What? What you got?
Is it, is it all possible? Like we could talk about it.
I'm going to leave you guys wondering.
I'm going to leave you guys wondering.
You guys are going to have to tune into 102 episodes the way I
find out then. All right, all right.
Love you. Love you guys.