99. The One Before 100

This is Episode ninety-nine of The BroTherapy Show! Throughout this entire episode, we dive deep into our feelings about the 'Prosperity Gospel'.

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Episode Transcript

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You, you got stuff on your mind.I mean, do you have stuff on
your mind? I always got stuff on my mind
dog, but I asked you first. Just like what the other upgrade

(00:53):
you get on my drift. A point of view for my Land's
End story and glitz. No feeling.
Say what it is undescripted. Don't need that.
Watch what you said. It's the truth verb go Therapy
is the meds. I said this is the pro therapy
show. I said this is the pro therapy
show. This is that uplift to me that
has you low. This is that uplift to me that

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has you low. I said this is the pro therapy
show. I said this is the pro therapy.

(01:36):
It's going to be really hard to do this, but it would be really
cool. It's going to be really hard and
just know that I, I, I don't judge you dawg, because I'm my,
my own struggles over here trying to stay peaceful.

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But like, it would be so cool ifme and you was able to just like
have the maturity with ourselvesto like get through this
conversation without ripping people apart and talking shit on
them and rather just promote what we feel like our morals and

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our perspective on like certain situations.
Does that make sense? I understand the pretext.
Should we have this part recorded?
I don't give a fuck. No, I meant just like.
Oh, oh, right. Now like like.
That's editing. OK, 'cause I'm like, this is not
a bad part to like include even just like, yeah, this is like,

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all right, I don't know, anyways, blah blah blah.
I'll leave it. Fuck it, this look, when has it
ever mattered? Yeah, I mean, it's like, I get
what you're saying. You want me to go into it and
like, it's we do this as people,right?
Like I forget who the fuck I waslistening to recently.
You're totally right in asking me to try.

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And I know that when you're asking me to try, you're asking
me to try because you know that like on a level, you're asking
yourself to try and you know that it's going to be difficult
for you. So like you're just sharing that
with me as well. Like, all right, here's I'm
going to present some things. And like we all have these like
gut initial responses, like our reactionary responses to these

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things, but we need to be able to like try to navigate this in
a way where we don't just let that gut initial reaction be the
one that is like our total conversation.
Yeah, dead on, dog. Alright, I'm falling.
I'm falling. That's real, that's real, that's
real. I think a lot of people got to

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that struggle with that. Actually, I think they talked
about that in the the Andrew Schultz, the thing you sent me.
You know, that was so good. It was good.
That was very good. That will go to our conversation
later about foreign policies andlike that conversation because I
think I think that shit, you said something really like solid

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points in there that I really vibe with.
And I think that it kind of plays a little bit.
I don't know how happy you'll bewith this part, but it kind of
does play into like me not participating when it comes to
at least like big media America.OK.

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But yeah, I yeah, we'll get to that.
We'll get to that later. But with this other shit, man.
And honestly, it all just kind of happened too.
So I'm like trying to unpack theconversation too, because I had
a conversation with a friend andall right, men, I just like.

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All right. The first thing that I want to
say, though, I'm going to make astatement.
This is an official statement, all right.
The prosperity gospel is the embodiment of hatred itself and
is a perversion to the true bodyand community of Christ.

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That's a statement from ACE, from me.
That's my feelings on the prosperity gospel.
And I'm. I'm guessing you're about to
elaborate. Yeah.
All right, I'm ready. So I can't get too into the
details 'cause it would just be rude for me to do that.
But I was having a conversation with a friend and we got on the

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topic of his Bishop's private jet and I, he said something.
He said the private jet got brought up and I said wait,
private jet. He say, yeah, private jet and
he's unapologetic about it. And I'm unapologetic about it as

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well. And he kept like kind of
repeating that and I didn't say anything.
I was just letting him say how he felt.
The only thing I said was private jet.
So he like, he kind of goes intowhy he's unapologetic about not
being ashamed of, you know, thisjet situation.

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And I think he kind of assumed that I felt the way that I did
actually feel because I didn't say anything.
And he was like defending how hefelt and, you know, his
justifications for it. And hey, I, you know, I got to,
I try to, I try to respect people and how they feel.

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But, and then he said, you know,I later on in the conversation,
he's like, and I know, like, youknow, there's some of the
concerns you addressed. And I, I, I was like concerns,
concerns I brought up. What concerns did I bring up?
And he said, well, you brought up concerns about the private
jet, which is like, I didn't saythis.

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I just went to back to silence, but I didn't bring up any
concerns about private jets. I just said private jet.
And then he went into defense mode about it and then later
characterized it as me bringing up concerns.
And I'm like well actually I only said 2 words in this whole
conversation and that was just private jet.

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But a few sentences later, we get on a conversation about how
people are suffering in unimaginable ways and 3rd world
countries and all of us just sitaround and bitch and complain.
And I'm just like, that's just the irony in this conversation

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that I somehow found myself in where we're talking about a
Bishop flying a private jet unapologetically.
And then we're all just complaining because of this and
that when really we have a good because there's people who have
it worse. And I'm just like, I fucking

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slipped into some trippy ass rabbit hole.
But that's my personal statement, man.
The prosperity gospel is the embodiment of hatred itself and
a perversion to the true body and community of Christ.
You know what's interesting in the Christian realm?
Buddhism gets a lot of heat, butthe one thing that I really like

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so much about Buddhism is that the monks aren't allowed to
touch money or have anything to do with money at all, ever.
They have to live completely offof charity.
You is that like a standout point of kind of the the

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juxtaposition to what you see islike the prosperity gospel?
Yeah, 'cause I think that like that actually, it's interesting
because I'm the one who always gets forced into the position of
anti woo woo. But I can't say if anyone else,

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Christian or not Christian, has read like the Bible and the
story of Jesus. I have, and he literally says it
too. He tells all his disciples, his
12 disciples, he's like, go off to all the other towns, give
your messages, do what you're supposed to, do all the missions
that I gave you. Don't take money with you.

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You're not allowed to have money.
You're not allowed to touch money.
You got to live off of charity. You need to beg for your food,
beg for your water and go help as many people and heal as many
people as you can through your message.
And like, that's like what literally there's a story in the
Bible and we can look it up because it's really dope

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actually. But Jesus walks into the temple
and all these vendors like have it set up like a flea market and
like they're all selling stuff and all the tax collectors in in
there and like all the vendors and the, you know, the con men,
everybody's in there and it's supposed to be like a House of
God. So Jesus like walks up in there

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and he just starts flipping all the tables and everything like
of all these vendors, he just starts flipping all these
tables. He says, you turned my father's
house into a den of thieves. Everything about Jesus's message
was like, he literally told the Pharisees, they asked him, how

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do I get into heaven? He said you want to get into
heaven, go sell every single thing that you own, give all the
money away to the poor and go spread my message.
That's how you can get into heaven.
It's like everything about his message was against like
material prosperity and, and, and, and it was like shifted to,

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to actual spiritual needs, but that, you know, so it's more in
line with actually the Buddhist principles where it's like the
monks, they don't have no money.They're supposed to live off a
charity. And all they're supposed to do
is just wander around this experience and try to give as
much healing and help as they can to anyone who comes across

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them. And most of the time when they
give healing and help, that person will feed and water to
them. It's called the Buddhists call
it taking, taking my alms or practicing my alms.
It's basically like you got to beg for food and the person

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gives you food. You give them like a story, a
blessing, a parable, a message, whatever.
Or if they need something, you do it for them.
Also, I don't know if you have anything to say about about that
type of stuff, but. I have a lot to say, but I'm
listening. No, you can sound off whenever

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you want because the only other thing that I wanted to say and
then I do have a like a questionto wrap this all up with that
you'll really love. But people assume because like I
take the stance that I take withcertain woo woo stuff.
I guess they assume that I'm anti woo woo and I'm I'm really

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not Actually I'm I think I'm more woo woo then then I
probably come off because I definitely am like a romantic.
I definitely AM. You're a spiritual person.
Yeah. But like, like when people say
like woo woo, I like, we always say woo woo because like, that's
just a really great placeholder word.

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But it's funny because like you say woo woo or like I remember
when we first talked about the word woo woo on this podcast
that knew, yeah, that had to be a whole conversation.
But it's like this, it's like wefeel this need to preface like,
oh, this shit is like woo woo, right?
But nobody ever fucking feels the need to like preface, like

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them believing in God being woo woo.
Like there's like that's just a normal thing.
But like the moment you start mentioning like spirituality or
like believing in any kind of like energy or like good and bad
outside of what people deem to be like Christianity, I guess

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like it's all of a sudden woo woo talk.
But the talk of like God in heaven and this and that is
never like deemed as woo woo. It's just deemed as normal.
Like nobody ever prefaces their their Christian beliefs is like
woo woo. Facts.
Yeah, that's facts, but it is all that shit's.
That's like anything. That stuff's woo woo too.

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Like if anything, that isn't science.
Right, thanks that that's it. But and again, I'm not anti
science. I'm not anti.
I might be a little bit anti religion, but I'm not anti Jesus
by any means. You can contest it is I'm like,
I'm not anti any, anything Pagan, anything, anything at all

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that falls under woo woo. I'm not anti.
I just feel like I'm a rational being and I like to think about
things rationally. I know things can't all things
can't be explained, but you know, I just like to be real
about things. But I'm like not against things.
I actually dig Jesus a lot. And at this point, I've been,

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I've been a Buddhist. I've been a Buddhist for almost
14 years. And I'm I'm fucking convinced at
this point that I've read more of the Bible than most
Christians I have to deal with in my everyday life.
I feel like you like you like Buddhism so much because like
Christianity's so full of fake Christians and you're like,

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you're like, yo, motherfuckers, like the the closest that you
were able to get to to Christ, like quiz Buddhist, yo.
It's like all the Christian people are just not following
anything. Like literally nothing that
their own religion tells them tofollow.
Yo, for real, for real. That just yo.

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That is such a whole bit. That's such a whole bit.
And you, you fucking hit that shit right on the head.
I, I think I was talking about this in like a early episode of
the Ace Ford podcast, one of my homies where it's like, it's
crazy because Christians call this thing like the world of
like Buddhism and that type of philosophy, like it's the, it's

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of the devil and it's evil and all that.
And, and it's interesting because I think I, I made that
sentiment that like nothing's brought me closer to God then
Well, really Buddhism and psychedelics.
So it's interesting because those things are like, Oh my
God, they're like straight from the devil himself and, you know,

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according to Christians. So like, it's interesting that
those were the things that like gave me this intimate, like
connection with, with something divine and, and, but there's a
whole bit in that that fucking Christianity drove me.
It's like, I get to heaven and it's like, damn, like Ace, you,

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you were a Buddhist your whole life.
And it's like, bro, you're Christians drove me to Buddhism.
You can't blame me, man. I was looking for you and I
found you where I found you, bro.
Like, yeah, true. They drove me to this shit.
No, but it's so true, man. For real.
Like no. Really.

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I mean, I could go even further,but please.
No, I don't have anything else to expand like other other than
like this principle. This was the very first
principle that I learned when I when I started like looking into
Buddhism years ago. And it's it's probably cliche to

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long practicing Buddhist, but the principle with the
sentiment, whatever you want to call it is like don't come to
Buddhism to be a Buddhist. Come to Buddhism to be a better
whatever you already are. Come to Buddhism to be a better
Christian, to be a better Muslim, to be a better father,

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to be a better husband, boyfriend, partner, to be a
better community member. Whatever it is that you already
are. You just come to Buddhism to to
to practice a healthier and moresalubrious spiritual lifestyle
that that you can apply to whatever it is that you already
are and you already believe. And that was a love that I've

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never felt and any other cult that I've been in.
So I was like, I'm this is it. This is where I'm in this it.
And I'm want to just rationally analyze everything that my mind
comes across. And I'm just going to just
follow what I feel in my heart and what what I believe with my
rational thinking. And with that thinking, I think

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the prosperity gospel is evil. Hey, I'm listening, man.
That's the problem. I probably, I probably feel the
same. I probably feel the same way
about a lot of that stuff. I mean, like I saw a meme today
that was like like a political meme that was like the same way

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having a tattoo doesn't automatically mean you're a gang
member. Wearing a cross doesn't mean
that you're a Christian or a good Christian.
Facts. And it it was a political meme
because it had Pam Bondi and Caroline Levitt both like

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wearing purple jackets and a gold cross like on the front of
their suits. And I think it's quite topical
just because like from all my understanding about things that
are being pushed with the current quote, UN quote big
beautiful Bill as far as what I would imagine Jesus would want.

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I don't think taking more money from poor people and.
Taking away health care and foodbenefits and many, many other
things that disproportionately affect the have nots is like

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aligned with what Christian values are.
And it's like in my eyes, like Ilook at these things like under
this whole topic is like this really gross perversion of like
Christianity in the sense that like they first of all, they're
supposed to be the separation ofchurch and state.
And then like now it's like you have these people like doing and

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publicizing like prayer circles in the White House and XYZ.
And it's like, but all of this is like around like surrounding
like money and funneling money to the richest people in the
country is like poor people suffer.
Like if this isn't the most evilshit like in the eyes of any

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like real Christian then like I don't know what what is.
The prayer circle thing, like what's that shit about?
Is that like something where like is it forced or is it like
a situation where they're like we as your employer, we've
reserved like this 15 minutes inthe morning for those of you who

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like to get together and pray, you can pray, but it's like not
that mandatory thing. Is it like that or is it like
now? I don't know.
Sorry, go ahead. No, I was just going to say
like, is it is it that or like like it's mandatory, like you
got to be a Christian to work inthe White House and you got to
participate in the morning priormeetings as to like.

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I don't know if I don't know thedetails behind it.
I just know that like there's, I've seen it a lot in the sense
that like a lot of videos all the time of just the big prayer
circles. And I don't mind that like
there's freedom of religion in this country, but it the
hypocrisy, like standing hypocrisy of like being

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inaugurated and having billionaires standing behind you
doing all of these things that will disproportionately benefit
rich people and fuck poor peoplein the long term.
Like when it even when it comes to like taxes, public benefits,
social programs. Yeah.

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To do all these things under theguise of like Jesus and yeah,
Christianity is just like the whole time.
I'm just like what that like this is like weird when you're
talking about like the prosperity gospel being like
this version of evil. It's like ironically, like I

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like when they like people put out those lists of like all the
things that like you wouldn't do.
It's like have like a symbol, like where have everybody have
this symbol that isn't God and like where this symbol and all
XYZ, just all that stuff. It's just all funny to me.
Like all of it's funny. It's somebody who like isn't a

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practicing religious individual or like Christian or any of that
stuff. It's all of that stuff is like
very funny to be on the outside looking in.
Would the hypocrisy argument I, yo, I'm, I'm 100% with you and

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that like you make the right connections with the, the
prosperity gospel and just like just, I get it.
I get that. And I'm, I'm on board with you
with that because that's like it, it goes back to that same
thing that I've always said where it's like, I don't
understand how, how people in the positions of opportunity,

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like immense opportunity, don't choose to do things to like
alleviate the suffering from those who they could do that
for. So like to sit there and have
prayer meetings, but just all the suffering, you know it, I
get it. I totally get that.
I'll throw another Bible verse out there.
It's one of my one of my favorites too that Paul said,

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but he claims it was a message from Jesus is that those of us
that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak and
not to please ourselves. And it's like back to like what
the real messages of Christ was.And it's like your whole like

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being in these. He was definitely anti
government 100%. So there's that.
But just to be in these positions to like do something
and not that's crazy, but under the guise of like actually
being, being this thing. And it's so crazy.

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You asked me that because the question that I said I had for
you, you kind of said it like word for word because it's like,
I don't know how much of this you want to get into.
And you're welcome to like go asdeep as you want to.
That's kind of my intentions. But I don't know how much of it
you want to share. But I was reading some stuff the

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other day and I know that you have like an opinion about like
this character that's been created, wrapped around like
Lucifer and all the different symbols of things that come
along with it, like throughout history and stuff.
And my question was like, if we unfairly view Lucifer in like

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the worst light, what do we callor characterize people who do
evil in the name of good? Because like, like that's some
really disgusting evil to me andI feel like.

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Do they knowingly are you? Are you saying unknowingly or
unknowingly? See, that's kind of.
Because I think many people do it like I think many people do
it knowingly. And I feel like people like to
use the unknowingly as a as a way of like not taking

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responsibility because they get caught.
I agree with you and I was goingto say that that is a whole
another kind of conversation. I feel 'cause that's just a deep
thought breaking down both sidesof that.
But I feel like a lot of people it's knowingly like there

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there's some well, there's one thing like that's interesting is
these these communities that sometimes like make things
happen. They're usually rant like it

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takes the narcissist to create these communities or run these
communities. Now, whether we're thinking like
pastors at church or bishops flying around in their private
jets or whatever, like or in politics, like the person who

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runs those Kolty groups, is it like even Donald Trump himself,
right. Like that's been proven forever
ago that he deals with some typeof narcissistic personality.
But those are those are the folks who run these groups,
these communities or whatever. And it's supposed to be for all

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the best in the world. It's hard to not obviously see
that it's knowingly doing evil in the name of good.
I mean, let's just go back to the prosperity gospel, right?
It's like they a Bishop gives you a message and tells you how

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to live your life, what you're supposed to do and not do, and
is like the the bridge between you and your Savior.
OK. And they, they base all of their
messaging and instructions and directions on the Bible, right?

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But in that very Bible, the man that they claim they love the
most more than anything in this world, and the person who gave
them everything that they have, that man is telling them and
speaking out against literally everything that they're actually

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doing. Yeah.
So like, you obviously are doingthe evil in the name of good
knowingly. Like if we all walk into church
right now, right, and we say, OK, we're going to take a vote,
who do you think in here knows the most about the Bible?

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I bet you most of us in the roomare all going to point to the
Bishop, right? Because like, isn't he like,
isn't that supposed to be the right answer?
Isn't he supposed to know the most about it more than anyone?
That's why he's in the position that he's in to help us all, and
he doesn't even know that. Well, people or he ignores it.

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No, they people definitely ignore it.
People definitely ignore it and actively choose to do like not
the wrong thing, but they at thevery least they choose not to do
the right thing. Yeah.
Like the morally right thing. Like this is like, I fucking

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hate talking about shit like this as a pretext of what I'm
about to say because I don't want to talk about this.
I don't want to say what I'm about to say, but I'm going to
use it as an example. OK.
Right me and you want went on a little adventure.

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I got like 2 scratch offs or whatever on that day.
Like when we went out and did the adventure, like I got like
25 bucks out of it. In the very end.
I'm like winding down a day, going to cash in the, the cars

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that like sometime later in the week and there's a homeless dude
sitting outside and I walked past them.
I go inside and I get my money and like in my mind, I'm like on
my way in. I'm like, you should just give
them like $5. Like you're, you're like, you're

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up like whatever amount, like you broke even.
Like you got like extra 5 bucks.Like just give them the five
bucks. Like it's like whatever, it's
like $5 like who cares? And then like, part of me is
like, I could use that money forlike lunch later this week.
And then like on my way out, I just like decided to give them

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the $5 and I'm just like, I justhand them the $5 and I'm like,
have a great day. Yeah.
That's it. And I just go about my day.
But the point is like, I'm hot. I'm saying all this to say like
there's like there's no way thatother people don't have like
this mental, these mental moments in their lives where

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they can see a moment where they're above the means or like
well off, not even talking aboutlike my position.
Just like people that are in well off situations and then see
other people suffering and aren't making a, a conscious
decision to do nothing. They're definitely making a

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conscious decision to do to do nothing.
Because if people like at the lowest level are making
conscious decisions on whether or not to like give somebody a
couple dollars, there's no fucking way people aren't
consciously choosing to like, not actually like try to improve

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society or people's lives or this and that or whatever.
Like I'm sitting, I'm sitting there in the car with my mom.
We're going to the bookstore theother day and I'm like, I'm
sitting there just like running numbers in my head.
I'm running numbers in my head because it's like, I know how
much I get paid per paycheck. Like about like a range because

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I never have consistent hours. And like, that's one of the
ironies about the whole like, oh, they're going to be like
untaxed overtime in the new bills and this and that and no
tax on tips and blah, blah, blah.
It's like one of the biggest ironies for me is like, well,
fucking there's what jobs nowadays even fucking give
overtime. Like it's like fucking you're

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committing a crime if the company gives you overtime.
Like they treat it like you fucking stole from them.
Like nobody get like it's so hard to get overtime nowadays
anyway. So like this whole like no tax
on overtime, like going to reward hard workers.
It's like a fucking joke in the 1st place.
But two, we're like, I'm doing the math and I'm sitting there

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trying to like figure out the range of the money versus like
time and try to like layout a time scale for how I want to do
things over the next couple of months.
Now that like we've had problemswith the house and like I'm
fucking at 0 again. And I'm like just thinking to
myself, like how, how crazy is it that like I'm in a position

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where I'm putting myself, I'm telling her, I'm like, I'm
putting myself in a position where I'm thinking, man, if I
just had like one or two paychecks, extra income right
now, Like if, if I was able to have one or two more paychecks,
like if I just had one or two more paychecks, how much my life
would change. Like how I could do so much with

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just two more paychecks. And then I'm like sitting there,
I'm like, and if I feel like this, if I just had like that
extra little bit of room. How many other people are in
these situations where like all they need to get a shot at doing

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something with their life is a is a forward of one or two
paychecks? Like very true.
That's. That thousand dollar $2000 that
they would get would literally be the difference between them
potentially changing their life forever or them being

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perpetually stuck in this rat race of like trying to survive
to the next paycheck every time.It's the difference between them
like finally starting their dreams and like trying to figure
out what they're going to have for lunch and if they can afford
it. And then it's like, and then you

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want to sit here and talk about whether or not like people are
making conscious decisions to not like fuck over people.
It's like, no, they're definitely choosing to just.
I say fuck over people because like my mind immediately goes to
corporations and like the peopleexploiting the majority of the
country that do work hard, but even just people that are well

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off. So like and we're talking about
doing like charity. So then I'm sitting there and
I'm like, I'm like, man, like ifI ever have that kind of money
one day, like I'm definitely starting a charity where like we
get where we give out grants to to low income communities like

(36:52):
inventors and people in businessman and like and have
managers or financial experts torefer to, to help guide people
on how to start a business, how to get going.
Like what initial things they need to like put in play for
themselves to be able to work onthis business after they use up

(37:16):
this like first $1000 or $2000. But so that they can get their
foot in the door and start working on that thing that
they've always thought about doing for the rest of their
lives while they try to work on their current life with their
main job. Like, and that's all that I
swear to God, like that's all ittakes is just like that one or

(37:36):
two paychecks. But like nobody, I feel like
these things like don't exist and these people, nobody, nobody
fucking thinks about this shit. No, everyone is all just like
trying to enrich themselves further.
Fuck. We we talked about it on the I
don't know if that was part of the conversation during
recording, last recording or not, but it's like one of the

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few rights we have left as workers is protesting and
striking. What are you fucking going to do
when they replace your ass with robots?
Like you don't think they're going to replace your ass with a
fucking robot because they will,because the robot isn't going to
want shit. The robot isn't going to fucking
this decide like its production is worth more.

(38:21):
They're going to be able to justmake the robot do more.
They're tired of you asking for shit.
They want you to do everything and get nothing like that's what
they want. That's why they want to replace
you with robots. Like how more obvious do do they
need to make it? They want you to do everything
for free is the irony for them, not for you.

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They want you to get nothing andyou to do everything for them.
So like, yeah, like people in well, in these well off
positions are always consciouslymaking decisions to not do the
right thing. There's no way around it.
Like nobody can convince me otherwise because if they
weren't like they would have already did it.
Yeah, yeah, that's true. They would have.

(39:06):
They would have done it. They would have done.
It like there's nothing stoppingthem from doing it.
Right, right. While you were expanding on all
that, I, I did a little bit of research.
A medium sized private jet cost between 1.8 million and 4.8

(39:27):
million, somewhere between that,right?
That's for a medium size. I would assume that a Bishop
probably just has a medium size.A unlimited yearly plane ticket
only cost $500 a year. So I'm just, you know, because

(39:54):
one of the arguments to my concern, not so really concerned
was, you know, that this Bishop came from a place where I came
from an upbringing like I had and come from some.
Not cool things. And it's like, OK, well if
that's the case, then what wouldI do if I was in this situation?

(40:18):
You know me, dawg. Like you know me, you know my
heart. And $500 a year to fly anywhere
I need to fly domestically and internationally versus a $4.8
million jet. Like it's so obvious, like we
always the. Irony in what you're even

(40:39):
talking about is like let's justsay 4.8 million.
That would take me 100 in the 33years of working my job to to
even get that much money. Are you saying like I don't work
hard enough that I don't like? No, but the boomers do.

(41:01):
The boomers would say that precisely.
You don't work hard enough and you complain and bitch too much.
But if a Bishop walked into a church and was like, I first of
all, he didn't buy his own jet. We know how these things go
down, man. Yeah, but I can't imagine you
walking into your congregation and saying I, you know, the

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church has raised $4.8 million. Should I get a jet to take the
word of God and his prosperity gospel to all the ends of the
world? Or should I like pay everyone's
rent or mortgage payment this month so everyone in the church

(41:44):
can be be a month ahead on theirfinances?
Because like you just mentioned a few minutes ago, all people
really need is a paycheck or two.
Listen just. They start their lives to get
it, not even to start their lives to get a chance at trying
to do something with their life.So, so to be able to put your

(42:06):
whole congregation one month ahead financially, you're not
sure, most of them will probablyfuck it off because that's what
a lot of humans do, you know, whatever.
But you would put you would financially put people so far
ahead with just a month of charity And, and it's just like,
and you can still get your planeticket to get anywhere you need
to for the whole year. It's like, it's no brainers

(42:27):
really. And then like the question, a
cliche question. What would Jesus do?
Like come on bro. And the, and the bigger irony of
like what you're talking about is, is I'm pretty sure that the
people themselves would be so grateful that anyone, even if
whether they fucked it off or became successful or even failed

(42:51):
at becoming successful, would carry your word, your good deed,
and the things they stood for and experienced in that setting
of that church for the rest of their lives and carry on that
word anyways, just out of the act of it alone.
So like, you're all what are we going to pretend like it

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wouldn't like it wouldn't spreadthe word because it would.
It would definitely like those people would literally
contribute there, especially anybody who who can absolutely
change their life forever would contribute the rest of their
life to that one moment. Yep.
Like, come on. Yep, it's so obvious. 100% is so

(43:37):
obvious and just expand a littlefurther.
Like damn, well, there's two directions I can go.
The quick thing I want to say about Jesus, right?
Because there's this big debate historically about him, whether
is he real or was he not? And it's actually pretty agreed

(43:58):
upon on all angles, even secularangles and atheistic angles that
he was real. And like, we're pretty, we're
pretty confident at this point about it.
But the interesting thing is that there was like at least 13
other people in his direct region with the same name,
Jesus, who was also a homeless political activist.

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And it's like, OK, well, which one was actually the real Jesus?
But there's one thing that sets the real Jesus.
Well, not the real one. They were all real people with
real messages and missions. But what separates the Jesus of
the Bible from the rest of them was his charity and miracles,
and the miracles being like the love, the healing, the care, the

(44:42):
empathy mainly, you know, you know, the charity he gave his
life. That's the biggest charity.
No greater love than this than aman lay down his life for his
friends. So I say all that to say was is
like his charity is what set himapart from all the other

(45:03):
political activist of his time. But the other direction I wanted
to go shout out to one of your favorites, Joe Budden, 'cause he
was talking on his podcast, I think you sent it to me
actually. And and they were having a
conversation about will $1,000,000 change your life or
not? And they were all talking bougie
as fucking Joe Budden was like, what the fuck are you guys

(45:26):
talking about? Like, most Americans don't have
$500 put away just in case of emergency like.
Literally. What do you mean $1,000,000
isn't going to change someone's life?
And I thought a lot about that since I heard it and, and there
was like a couple months ago, I actually for the first time in a

(45:46):
while had $500 put away in case of emergency.
And I took note and how Moore relaxed my life felt with just
having and that's not it, 500 AMshit for a real emergency.

(46:07):
But just having that there, how much more relaxed at life I felt
and a little bit a little bit less anxious.
I ain't got that money no more because it's summertime and
trying to keep up with the kids on the weekends and it's just a
mess, man. But just that little bit.
So I, I kind of just wanted to drive in what you were saying

(46:29):
about all it takes is just one or two extra paychecks.
Like, like all, it just takes a little bit to put a whole
Society of people at a little bit more ease and a little less
anxiousness. Absolutely.
And it's like, I don't know these people.
I feel like people could just attack this in so many ways, but

(46:51):
we're talking about an, an example of like, as opposed to
self enrichment, not as like handouts, like just the not a
fabricated handout, like the government print more money, not
like one of the these things. Like it's like no, like as
opposed to self enrichment. Let me put it this way.

(47:13):
It's some people. Some people think, oh, if if I
had $100,000 tomorrow, I would buy like a really expensive car
because it would be my only chance in life to have like this
really nice car or like whateverinsert car with anything else,
right? Yeah, like there's a lot of

(47:35):
people like that. Yeah.
And. Most of us are financially
illiterate, but go on. You're right, there's a lot of
people like that for sure. I'm.
Sorry. And then and then.
No, no, you're fine. And then I'm over here thinking
like, man, if if I had $100,000 tomorrow, I could cover the

(48:03):
losses on the things that we just replaced with the house so
that we could be back at like emergency fund money.
I could use the rest of that money to like fix the other
things that need to get fixed, repair the things that need to

(48:25):
get repaired. And then maybe I would have
enough leftover that I could putsome money away to work on these
businesses that I want to work on, that they themselves have
these pillars built in to forever give back something to

(48:47):
this world. And not just like self enrich.
Yeah, like they're like, literally based upon like giving
something back, like, at the bare minimum.
And it's like, OK, yeah, there'sa self enrichment there because
it's like a business thing. But like, that's on the last of
my list. Like that's like after I get

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everything else like squared away so that like the people I
love near me can like live a healthy life of like without
fear of financial ruin because like the fucking ceiling caves
in or like we don't have fuckingheat in the winter.

(49:29):
Like it's a little different. And I guess like it's that kind
of conversation of like, what are you going to do with
100,000? Like you going to go buy a
private jet or you going to go like fuck, like $4.8 million.

(49:52):
I'm starting that charity like I'm fucking, I'm starting that
charity for, for giving people grants and like aligning them
with professionals to be able tomake informed decisions and
first steps to try to make theirideas or dreams become a
reality. Because like we said, like

(50:14):
there's some probably just that whole like self introspection,
reflection moment of like us being in that car and just I'm
like driving along. It's like, it's like, God damn.
Like how many of us are all justlike one or two paychecks away?
Like if we had one or two paychecks is forwarded, could we
actually like do something tomorrow?

(50:34):
Yeah, instead of constantly having to wait, like because
that's the sickness in it, right?
Because it's like we say one or two paychecks.
Well, like what that really means is like 4 weeks away.
Fucking a lot of shit happens infour weeks, yo, for emergencies
happen in four weeks, Things break in four weeks.
Like people need money in four weeks.

(50:55):
It's a little like, it's not like, oh, I can just wait four
weeks and then I'll have that money.
It's like no life happens in those four weeks.
So by the time that fucking fourweeks is up, like you don't have
that money any the money is not there.
But I'll put the the fucking thewell gets replaced, right.

(51:19):
We got to get it. We got to get a water, water
tested now because the the government has like you have,
the government has a law that says you have to get the water
tested so it's safe. Yeah.
Well, you already know how much the well cost.
Guess how much the water test cost?

(51:39):
Oh my. Gosh, found out today.
I'm afraid to even ask. I thought, right, just shoot a
number because I should tell youwhat I thought it was going to
be. I thought like to test the
water, it was going to be like maybe like $200 maximum.
I was thinking more around a grand.

(52:01):
Yeah, $800. Jesus.
To get the water tested like. Now, are you for that or against
that, right? Because like.
For what 800? For what?
Oh, OK, you're against them charging that much to test the
water because like, these are the little things where like I

(52:21):
slip back over to the Republicanside and I'm like, no, how about
the government just minds their fucking business.
And I'll worry about if my wateris clean or safe or not safe.
Like that's my business. This is my yard.
That's my water under there. I'll worry about it.
Fuck off, 800. Dollars for what?

(52:43):
Two weeks of my life? For what?
So who actually test that does does does the county come out or
the Township rather come out andtest it or do?
You, I don't know specifically, but yeah, it's a government
test, like the government. Has so you don't even get to
hire your own tester. Like you just have to go.
Oh, you got to pay. Them no, like you can, you can

(53:04):
hire tester, but like the it's agovernment like government labs
like because they have to make sure like the water is safe for
people. Like that's the standard, which
like I'm OK, see, I'm OK with the that like with a government
standard because I think you like the government is supposed

(53:26):
to be able to like set in place a standard.
This is like where we disagree alittle bit.
I don't think this shit should cost $800.
What is costing it? Like in my in my, it's like my
mom's like it's all the lab tests and it's like, I'm sorry,

(53:46):
what are we doing? Like are we fucking like trying
to fabricate diamonds? Like I don't understand.
Like no man, a test like this shit should take like an hour
worth of Labor and the equipment's already there.
So I pay taxes. I mean, like, what are we saying

(54:13):
like to run the tests to do the,the to use the equipment for the
test is like $700.00 worth of like I'm not bro.
You can't tell me the lab tech is getting paid more than
$100.00 an hour. There's no way they're even
making anything close to that. So like what what is this is
like what is this number? That's what like my frustration

(54:35):
is. It costs a lot to deport brown
people domestically and kill brown people overseas.
Somebody's got to pay for it. That's fucking insane bro.
Since you're saying all that, how do you feel about Alligator
Alcatraz? I don't know what that is, but
that sounds like some some weirdDisney version of Al Capone

(55:00):
story. You don't.
OK, so like it's a side tangent,right?
They built a holding camp, an immigration camp in Florida in
the Everglades. I sent a picture in our in our
chat. It's called Alligator Alcatraz.

(55:22):
And their idea is we don't need security if Mother Nature does
it for us. So it's a it's a encampment
that's going to hold 5000 immigrants in Florida, and it's
surrounded by a Moat filled withalligators.

(55:42):
And the government says, well, if they try to escape, Mother
Nature will take care of that. 5000 That's not that's not even
a very big facility. Oh, that's so wild, man.

(56:04):
What do you think of it? What do I think of that?
Yeah. I think we, we are now on the,
the stepping, stepping stones ofwe're building concentration
camps in America now. We've gone from deport them out
of the country to now we need tohouse them in, in encampments in

(56:26):
our country. That's where I'm at with it.
And you can interpret that how you want.
Well, I think there's really only one clear way to interpret
it. That's crazy, by the way, like

(56:46):
what happens when a hurricane hits?
It's the fucking Everglades. Like are, is everyone just like,
are all the government officialsjust going to leave?
And Oh yeah, just leave that. Leave that there.
Leave them there. We know a million percent that
that's exactly what will happen because that's exactly what
happened to all the inmates in New Orleans when Hurricane

(57:11):
Katrina broke the levees they had.
All the inmates were standing onthe ceiling or on the on the
roof of the high rise prison andliterally were just left.
We just left stranded there. Crazy.
And yeah, so, yeah, to answer your question, we know.

(57:34):
We know how that that that goes.But no, I didn't know about
that. Actually.
You know me man, I've been like super unplugged.
Yeah, true. The only thing that really has
hit my radar is the tragedy thathappened in Idaho.

(57:56):
That's just, oh, yeah, that's just so bananas to me, man.
That's so crazy and so sad. I, I, I hate hearing all these
things. It's so, so tragic.
But. We need to.
We need to circle back around before we lose the.
And we actually, you know, this is a graceful dance here tonight

(58:18):
because that's where we're at inour actual conversation is where
we wanted to start. And back to me saying that like,
you know, I don't participate. I'm unplugging and stuff.
It's like I just have such a dislike for American big media

(58:41):
right now. And like, I look, I, I'm not
going to say what is existing and what is really happening and
what's not happening, but it waspretty obvious to me like the
last couple months, like 1 clearexample, right I'll give is we

(59:03):
took a trip a few weeks ago and there was some.
No, this is a great example. There was some shit going down
in the country and like, we're in, we're in the store and we're
looking at the newspaper stand and every front page to every
single newspaper is this thing. And like we're looking at each

(59:25):
other and like, I didn't want tohave this talk with you and I
didn't want to kick us off into this talk.
So. But at the same time, I didn't
know what you knew or didn't know.
And I remember just like lookingat you and saying, like, that's
crazy, right? And you say, yeah, that's crazy.
I said, you know that's not happening, right?
And you were like, yeah, yeah, Iknow it's not happening.
Like, that's fucking crazy, right?

(59:47):
Like that was just like, it's soreal real.
Like just huge turning point forme.
It was like a Truman Show event.Yes.
Yeah. Like it was like, it's like, I,
I literally like put it on the level of like, like divine

(01:00:08):
intervention because like. We always talk about it amongst
like each other, like between meand you, like this kind of shit.
But it's like to face the ugly so forward in like society,
literally right there in front of you and just like standing

(01:00:28):
there and looking around, it's like, Oh my God.
Like it's like everyone's just living in a fake bubble, like a
fake bubble. Like I literally spent the whole
like previous multiple. I I think that was like the day
after and I literally spent the whole night before with like

(01:00:48):
news station level worth of likemonitors, like 30 different live
cameras for like a nine hour, 10hour period documenting and
watching every single aspect, every single angle, every single
like everything live. And it wasn't just one gas

(01:01:13):
station or one place we went to.It was three different places
that all had the same stuff on different newspapers, but they
all said the same thing and theywere all different and they were

(01:01:33):
all lying. Yep.
Like it literally was just not what happened.
It just literally if you were there, if you saw it yourself,
you knew that is not what happened and that everyone was
just lying. Yep.

(01:01:55):
And then you like look around and you're like, you're all just
being lied to. And like, how many, like I know
all of you people around me don't have time to do or the
resources or the energy to like do what I was doing yesterday to
stay on top of it on my day off.So it's like, if this is all

(01:02:16):
you're getting, like you're all living in a lie, like you all
are believing something that isn't true.
It was insane. It's an insane moment.
It Yeah. It, it, it legit, it legit
Spooks me out. And I'm just like, you know

(01:02:38):
what? For now on, this is as far as my
political thinking goes, at least for the next, let's say,
10 years. This is as far as my political
thinking goes. If it's not an issue that is
actually happening in my communities, in my everyday to

(01:03:01):
day life or in the person that I'm talking to's everyday to day
life, then it's not existent forme.
And I know that some people would argue that that's probably
not the greatest thinking, but listen, man, I I'm done with
being told how I'm supposed to feel about things.
I'm being I'm. I'm done being gaslit into

(01:03:22):
believing things that aren't even real.
I'm like, I'm so I'm so done with all that.
And to drive the point like evenfurther in of what I'm trying to
say, I watched this Whitney Cummings clip of her doing this
stand up and she was doing some,you probably seen it some what

(01:03:47):
they call that work crowd working.
And she asked a veteran. She said, when did you realize
that like this was all bullshit politically or whatever.
And he was like, I was at the VAand I seen the news come on the
TV and it was breaking news. And there was this like big

(01:04:09):
tragic military thing happening somewhere in the Middle East.
And as he's and they're breakingnews, they're saying breaking
news as if it was happening thatday.
And he's looking at the screen and he's like, I was there for
that mission that happened last year.
And so he went and checked himself into the VA mental
institution and told them like, I'm losing my mind because the

(01:04:34):
breaking news I've just seen on the news is the mission that we
did last year, so I must be losing it.
Like he was gas lit so much thathe thought he was the crazy one.
Yeah, I remember this. I've seen this clip.
It's like man, like and, and, and the thing that you have

(01:04:54):
wrote to me was saying that I'lllet you expand on it because
it's your feelings, but you weresaying that you really dig
listening to other, other outlets, other alternative
perspectives from other places, other countries, other like
different sides and stuff. And that, that really goes a

(01:05:15):
long way. Now the fucked up thing is, is
that the fucking world is full of propaganda, man.
I'm starting to now that I see the American propaganda.
Like you see the fuck, Like you see it when it's being like
forced onto you through your algorithm.
Like ever since I've been able to point it out, like I'm
starting to see other countries part propaganda, like seep

(01:05:35):
through a little bit. And I'm like, I fucking hate
that so much. The fucking propaganda.
It's like, it's fucking bad enough guys.
Like this is all really like badenough.
We don't have to like, spice it up.
Everyone's it's cuz stories selland like humans love stories

(01:06:02):
like that's like at our core, right?
So they're like appealing to like this core fundamental thing
about us as like living things. Yeah.
To keep our attention and like make us feel engaged and umm,

(01:06:22):
it's ironic. It's like that we were talking
about the episode or two ago about like, I think we always
just go back. Like then we reach a point where
like nature calls us back. And like I feel like that all
the time when talk about like society or these structures
we're forced in. It's like there's only like a

(01:06:43):
couple rules in nature and they're like very basic.
And it's not like no made-up bullshit.
And I think that's like why so many people find nature and like
living in nature so appealing isbecause like, there's no like
lying your way around it or likereally like you can only like
twist the story so much. Like it's kind of just as true

(01:07:07):
as nature itself. And then that's it.
Then there's none of these like overlaying structures and
made-up societal rules and like perceptions and governance and
just everything like layered in on top, just like nature.
And then that's it. And you find how you fit in

(01:07:28):
that. Damn, yeah, that was well said.
Think people get tired. I think that's why you see so
many like so many like older menthat do get into hunting and
spend time hunting or like go move away and get like a cabin

(01:07:48):
somewhere in the woods away fromher.
They just get like so tired of like everything that they're
just like, I'm going back to nature.
Like that's it. Like I'm done, like done with
all of this. Like I'm just going to go back.
The stuff I had sent you is a little bit different.
Like, like when you look at other news stations around the

(01:08:13):
world or listen to like how countries have perceived things
or there was a, there was a clipI sent you that actually was
talking about, I don't know where I sent it to you on.

(01:08:35):
They were talking about like Iran and Afghanistan, I think.
And she was talking about how like we use these like
scapegoats, right? To be like, oh, these people
hate our country. They hate American freedom.
They hate this and that. And she was like or, and like

(01:08:57):
she went into this whole like deep dive about how they had
their own. We've done this all the time, by
the way, like it's our go to like when we when we do regime
change in other countries, like we always do this.
But she was talking about how they had their own

(01:09:17):
democratically elected leader and then we overthrew them.
They're democratically elected leader and installed someone
else. And then that installed
individual like abused and took advantage of the country and
oppressed that country for 26 years until like an extremist
group came along, a fundamentalist group came along
and then overthrew that person. And then like with the hatred

(01:09:42):
that was sewn inside of that, then wanted to lash out at
America. And then we were like, these
people are bad people. It's like we fucking like, but
like we sparked the outrage likeand we do that all the time.
Like we go places, we overthrow the governments and then like
creates power vacuums and those power vacuums like get filled

(01:10:04):
either with someone we install or someone in the region and
that people in that region feel like it's our fault.
And then you have whole generations of people like
whether that's like you're fucking, you bomb kids and their
parents die, or you bomb parentsand their kids die.
And then all these people hate you because they're like, you're
the one that allowed these people to drop bombs on us.
And then you get like people that grow up their whole lives,

(01:10:27):
just like hating the fact that you took people that they loved
away from them. And it's so crazy to me because
it's like, it's like such a shared human experience.
And it's like if somebody fucking came here and bombed us
and bought like killed your kidsand killed your parents, and
like everyone would feel the same.

(01:10:48):
Like this is all like war is disgusting because like people
try to involve politics into it.And at the end of the day, like
these basic things of like, if you just humanize the situation
and realize that we're talking about other humans, the like you

(01:11:08):
would feel the same way. And like people just like to
pretend like that's not the case.
Like I'm back all the way back to like people choose to like
willingly ignore, just not do the right thing.
It's like the same kind of energy.
It's like we just like willinglychoose to believe, like and turn

(01:11:29):
off the part of our brain that would like put us in the
situation. And it's kind of interesting.
Also, just side tangent again, like to see so many comedians
are just like people in media, not media like news media, but
media like social media start tolike parrot the same kind of
sentiment because it it means like in my eyes, it means like

(01:11:53):
people are willing to actually like use some critical thinking
and like seeing comedians kind of parrot the sentiment.
I know like I've seen Bill Burr parrot the sentiment of like,
what do you like? What do you expect?
Like he's like, you'd go and do these terrible things and then
what? You don't think they're going to

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be pissed off and hate you? Like, just like what kind of
like, what kind of world are youliving in?
And none of this is to justify any kind of violence or harm.
Everything bad either way, us receiving, us doing everything
is badly. People shouldn't be dying
anywhere. It's just, it's so amazing to me

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that somehow we're so capable all the time, just like
willingly choosing to turn off the part of our brain that
allows us to like, put ourselvesin other people's shoes and be
empathetic. And we just like, sympathize
like instead. And we're just like, Oh yeah,

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that's bad. That's terrible.
Like sucks. And then we just leave it at
that. And like we don't go that extra
step of like empathizing and actually like take trying to
take on like the sentiment and feeling of like having been put
in that situation. Because the moment we do that,
then we have to like do the whole like look ourselves in the

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mirror and take action and like try to like resolve the issue
that we see in front of us. And nobody wants to do that.
And nobody wants to challenge it.
Nobody wants to get like put themselves in front of Big Daddy
and like, you know, all those things like the military,
military industrial complex, like it's much easier to just

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sympathize and be like, yeah, war is terrible.
Like these things suck. Like, because the moment you
start empathizing and start taking on these like feelings of
the actions that we're taking inthe, the harm that it does and
the emotions that carries with it, it's like if you do nothing,

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like you're just, you're just a psychopath at that point.
Like, or if you don't even let yourself feel those things while
putting yourself in those in those people's shoes, like you
are a psychopath. Like how do you not not feel
something? Like, I'm sorry if you can
watch, like, deportation videos of, like, kids screaming and

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crying as, like, parents are ripped away and their parents
are screaming and crying. Like, even just the act of it
itself. If you don't even feel like a
little bad about these things, like, it's not about whether or
not something was done legally. It's not about whether or not
you believe these things were done legally or not.

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You can totally sit here and believe, like, yeah, they should
have came here legally. You can believe that.
But if you can watch those videos and not feel anything,
like there's something sinisterly wrong inside of you
as a person, like I don't think you as a person should be able
to watch people be ripped apart as a family screaming and crying

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and not feel anything. I think that means there's
something like seriously wrong with you.
It doesn't even matter about thelegality of it.
Like doesn't matter what side ofthe fence you're on in that
regard. It's about the sentiment of
watching a loving family be tornapart and potentially they're
like, it's almost like death. Like they don't know if they're

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ever going to see each other andthey're crying and screaming and
you don't feel anything. Are you OK?
Like that's not a human experience to not feel anything.
And then to take it a step further, if you like, look at
that and you're like, yeah, good.

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Like, Oh my God, you really are like a psycho.
If that's your reaction. That's not very Christian.
Agreed. Just going to let me fucking sit
here in the silence by myself, man.

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Yeah, I think, I don't think I could tribute anything else to
this conversation, man. I think I exhausted all my
feelings on it because it's all hand in hand, right?
Like this whole episode, right? You spoke more on the political
side of things. I spoke more on the the church
side of things. But it's it's one and the same

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thing, right? I always wonder about like the
prosperity gospel. It's funny because like the
terminology has kind of always eluded me.
There was a whole period, like in our relationship where you
kind of had to like, lay it out for me because it was like very
confused about what that was. And you had to explain
characters like Joel Osteen and stuff to me.

(01:17:01):
Yelp and Creflo Dollar and TD Jakes and.
But like, I knew of this sentiment of like, I just
didn't. I didn't know the name.
Right, right, right, right. And it's, it's always just like
so baffled me because like, I don't know, like maybe we're

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just beating a dead horse at thepoint, I guess.
But maybe it's because I try so hard to look for the logic in
these things and like the actions are so illogical that it
just makes my mind like really like, like struggle to fight
itself because I want to find the logic so bad.

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Like we're humans, like we're problem solving machines, right?
Like we want to, we want to understand things.
And then and then you see a religion that has like teachings
and core philosophies that then in the people that preach the

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religion completely violate. And then everyone is like, yeah,
I'm that religion and then follows those people.
And then you're like, what is going on here?
Like I'm so confused. Like I'm it's like, why?
It's like I'm looking at a, a giant shrimp.

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Like, like this doesn't make sense.
Like it's a oxymoron. Like your existence is a
oxymoron. Like you are a like walking
contradiction. I don't understand.
Yeah, Yep, I'm, I'm. That's my thinking towards it
too. And, and I guess when is like

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then when you start to get to like the frustrating part of it
all becomes the the inability ofothers to not rectify the
situation, but to admit wrongdoing or to admit their own

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contradictions. Like, in my mind, I would like
to see how. I don't think I've ever really
seen the kind of situations or conversations happen where you
have these types sit down and belike, yeah, we do this and this

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and this and this and these things contradict this thing,
but This is why it doesn't. Or like, you know, like
something like that. They just, like, pretend they're
not. I mean, I can send you count
countless clips of these guys explaining why they think that

(01:19:54):
it's justifiable of what they do, but it all is just a bunch
of horseshit and they all sound like a different version of
Trump explaining why it's OK that they do what they do.
Like it's just that character. And so OK, so but this idea
right like. This guy, I'm sorry.

(01:20:21):
I'm sorry. Go ahead.
No, no, no. This, this pastor John Piper, he
said about the prosperity gospel, He says it's not the
gospel, it's idolatry. It's elevating gifts above the

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giver. I just don't know where where
like which line of like see thisis what I mean when I say this
shit is so confusing to me. It like literally sends me to a
state of inability to communicate because you try to
pick any particular thing to speak about it right?

(01:21:05):
Like just random thing like charity and it's like.
How can you justify having a mega church and then your city
floods and then you don't let people stay inside your mega

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church to be safe from the floods?
'Cause he said that they just got new carpets.
Like are you not going to hell for that?
Like you know what I mean? Like it's are you, It's not like
OK, maybe hell is like a crazy like jump, but it's like you
think like that's going to be OKwith with the person that you

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believe in. Like I don't understand in what
world you can justify it in yourmind that it's going to be OK
with the person that you believein.
Or is it all just a crock of shit?
Like are you just or can you just get to the point where you
just say, OK, we're just lying so that we can enrich ourselves?
Because like I see two paths here.

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Either you actually like are about the things that you say
you're about and you take care of people like you say in your
teachings that are supposed to be done, Or you know that in at
least in your mind, you think that it's a crock of shit and
you're just using it as an Ave. doing it yourself.

(01:22:33):
Yes. And you're just playing
everybody because I really don'tsee like a middle ground where
you're like, you know, middle. Ground man, there's, there's,
there's people in this world, the, the, that, that are
genuinely fucking damn near divine people.

(01:22:58):
And then there's just fucking cult leaders.
These are cult leaders. Joel Osteen literally has the
biggest church in the entire world.
In the entire world. They used to be a football
stadium in the entire world. Holy head into that football
dudes scoring touchdowns in church.

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And and he seriously, he seriously told all those people
he wouldn't let them use the church And that's exactly what
you're supposed to do. Like, bro, I don't I I was
actually just talking to to Tinaabout this.

(01:23:41):
I I kind of don't believe in hell anymore.
I already didn't, but that's a whole nother conversation.
But I'll tell you this. If there is such thing as hell,
hell, Joel Osteen is definitely going there.
That and that's fucking facts. That's fucking facts.
I'm sorry, I've also like my energy's been all place because
I get like super worked up and then I'm just like over

(01:24:04):
stimulated, over stimulated. And it's frustrating because
like at the end of the day, I think me and you really care
about people. We really love people.
We really try our hardest in ourcommunities to like do what we
can to make people's lives better.
I've tried not to talk about like the work I work, I do in my
job or the, the, the ways you interact with your community,

(01:24:27):
but like a social, like what I do is a social job.
Like there's outside of the financial pay, like I feel like
I get paid the most by like helping people and making them
smile. Like I think a lot of people in
our community like feel that wayin a lot of the things they do.
And like it's just so hard for me in my mind to wrap my head

(01:24:50):
around these things when it's like I look at people that
literally carry like themselves,like you would imagine what the
teachings of a Christian would be.
And none of us are Christians. We just trying to be good people
because we like to make people happy and see their lives be
better and not be stressed out and then be on hardships and be

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on hard times. Like we care about each other,
we love each other. We all try to do good for each
other and we try to do good amongst our families and amongst
our friends. And then it's like, it's just
like we, we, you, you, the topicof conversation was the stuff
that you brought up originally, like with the, with the, the

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prosperity gospel. And it's like, it's so hard for
me to deal with everything I deal with in my life and the,
the good I try to do in my life,the good I see others around me
try to do in their lives with their friends and their
families. And then you, you hear about
this kind of stuff, which I kindof or like, you see this kind of

(01:25:54):
stuff and you're like, how is itthat like regular people carry
the word of like the what you, that what you preach better than
you do? And for some reason, like you're
the one like woo woo hands, likelike, huh, 100.

(01:26:21):
Percent feel you're not. And I guess I kind of the best
place for me to go with that is to be like, man, yo, I wish like
I don't believe in Jesus. Like I wish that mother fucker
would just show up already so these people can stop arguing
about shit all the time and use this shit as excuses for why
they're doing shit and pretending to be whatever

(01:26:44):
they're pretending to be. So like motherfucker could just
make some decisions already, like pick the people you wanted
to go with you and who can stay?Who's going to stay here?
Who's going to go? Which like figure that shit out
already, dog. Like come and come and do your
shit. Like I'm tired of these
motherfuckers arguing. I'm tired of these motherfuckers

(01:27:05):
like saying they're doing this shit for you or not for you.
Like come set the record straight, let them know.
And then the irony of all that, probably, I'm sorry, Jesus, but
they're probably going to persecute your ass.
Like I'm gonna just keep it realwith you because the moment you
come back and start challenging people in power, they're not
going to like that. They're not going to like that
and they're probably going to persecute your ass again.

(01:27:26):
So you better come with a game plan.
You better, you better come withyour shit.
Like ready for Round 2 like. Yo, that's funny 'cause that's a
bit but you triggered me a little bit and now my mind like
dissociated to things and now I want to say shit but I don't
want to get in this conversation.
I just want to say. What I want to say I.

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Want to say what I want to say, right And then and then I will
give you the respect of listening to whatever you need
to say and you can talk for as long as you want to talk.
But then we got to wrap it up after that.
The thing I want to say right, because I have been mostly
unplugged. But I noticed that like because

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you brought up the infighting, right.
And I'm not saying that this is your sentiment.
It may or may not be, but I've noticed that like it's being
like a real, it's turned into like a real big like laughing
point for folks and certainly folks on that side of the aisle.

(01:28:32):
And to me personally, I think that the infighting, although it
might be pretty funny to see happen and there's a lot of I
told you so energy floating around, but I really look at
this as a good thing. It's a good thing to see the

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infighting because maybe people really were just voting for the
things that they were voting for.
And like, when wrong is wrong and people's lines get crossed,
like that's what I want to see. I want to see two people in the
same party say, oh, hold the fuck up, This wasn't a part of

(01:29:15):
the negotiation or this wasn't part of the plan or whatever.
Like, Nope, I'm off board now. Like, that's what I want to see.
And like, I wish I saw more of honestly like, and this is also
what gives me hope that like, this isn't the Holocaust as
implied or this isn't going to be the next Civil War and stuff.

(01:29:38):
Although it feels very, very close to both of those things.
And I completely understand why people feel that way.
But to see this infighting is a good sign that that's not going
to happen. Because when you have a crazy
bitch like Mike, Margaret, Green, Taylor or whatever her
name is, Taylor Green Margaret, whatever, I don't even know her

(01:29:59):
name completely. Marjorie Taylor Green.
Yeah, when you got her going on her podcast runs and now saying
like I ain't fucking with this shit, like this shit, no, like
this. Like if it's and you know how I
feel about her, so like to see her say like hold the fuck up,

(01:30:19):
like out of all people and there's a lot of people doing
it. I don't even want to talk about
her. I don't like her.
I don't want to talk about her at all.
But I know what you're talking about though.
There's a there's a lot of that happening and I'm like, yes,
that that right there is what's supposed to happen.
It's a good thing. It's a good thing.
I love like the end fighting with, like you mentioned with

(01:30:42):
the Pope addressing certain shit, or like what we listen to
with John Piper addressing certain shit.
I love that. I love when a community of
people who are a community because they believe in this
thing, but then certain ones within that community start
abusing their power. I love seeing their peers be the
one to stand up. I know you really.

(01:31:03):
You kind of like to see that shit too.
If I don't know, I can't speak for you, so I'm sorry, but it's
a man. I love seeing that shit.
I love seeing them say like, no,like we do believe in the same
ultimate thing, but like you're abusing your power and you're
doing this the wrong way and you're really abusing people and

(01:31:24):
that's not OK. I'm not going to jump ship and
leave like the, the the things that I stand on in my morals and
principles about how I see certain things or expect certain
things, but wrong is wrong. And this and this and this
that's happening is wrong. And I don't, I don't subscribe
to it. That's all.

(01:31:45):
And you can say whatever you want.
I'll listen to everything you got to say, bro.
But we got to wrap it up after this.
All right, I got two things. The infighting thing was mostly
just meant like for like the church stuff.
I find that interesting as somebody who's like not
religious, that's interesting tosee.
And like, when it comes to the political stuff, I'm with you in

(01:32:11):
the sense that I like to see it,but I like to see it because it
draws like these lines in the sand of like, I know you said in
the past, like you don't like labels and I don't like or no,
you like to say like I don't like labels, which I don't.
But like, I like the lines in the sand that come from
infighting that like force people to take a side.

(01:32:34):
Because then you can finally like get the ugly out of people
where either people are going toreject something or accept it.
And then you can finally be like, so this thing that people
were saying all along was true. And like, there's going to be
people that disagree with it andthen there's going to be people

(01:32:54):
that continue to support it. And then it's the, it's the
validation that comes from the infighting that when you see
people pick a side in the infighting, you'd be like, see,
so I knew you were, you believedin these like, like really
fucked up things. But like, now you're just

(01:33:18):
forced. Like now your hand is forced.
You can no longer hide behind like we're doing it because of
XYZ. Like the moment the infighting
happens, the infighting creates a scenario where it's like the
people that initially were on your side for the XYZ are like,
yo, we're not doing the XYZ anymore.
What the fuck's going on? And then you're like, well, it

(01:33:40):
never really was about that. We're doing this other thing.
It's like, it's like aha, like so you were doing this other
thing like they tried to hide behind this whole other like
idea of like what you were doing.
Never about that. That's why I like it.
It like gets gets people to be honest with their intentions.

(01:34:04):
Like you kind of like prevent the infighting, like creates a
scenario where like it's much harder for people to lie about
their intentions because the, the, the bandwidth or like the
range of things like in which they're trying to do become so
narrow. It either becomes so obvious

(01:34:27):
what they're trying to do, or they literally have to specify
exactly what they're doing. I'm actually following you on
that man, and I actually jive with that I agree with.
You today was kind of crazy. I wasn't expecting all this

(01:34:50):
other and you even asked a question about some of the
darker stuff at some point and that that and we never even got
to that. But that's like whole beside the
point issue. I think this was AI.
Don't even know where how to wrap this up.

(01:35:12):
Was it a good one? I'm sure it was.
I mean, I enjoyed talking about it.
I enjoyed venting off about someshit.
Like at the end of the day, I think like like I said earlier,
I think the reason why we probably get so heated about
this stuff is because like ultimately we want people to do
good, do good for others, like help others.

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And I think it's like the good in US and the good that we try
to do or see our friends do or see our families do.
When we see people trying to like do bad or are doing bad,
maybe not even trying to do bad,but are doing bad under the

(01:35:57):
guise of like doing something good.
It's like very frustrating to us.
And, and like to a further extent, like how you opened up
the conversation, like it being like the embodiment of like
evil. It's like, it's like, how could
you even say you're trying to dogood?
Like it's so obvious what to like, how to do good here.

(01:36:20):
Like there's so many ways you can do good.
There's so many ways to do good.Like why are you choosing the
one thing that is just like not good, like you could do so much.
Like there's the possibilities are endless.
Like why are you picking the onething and the one thing Like the

(01:36:44):
one thing that is just like not good.
Like it's just not, that's not it, man.
That's just not it. Like you fell for the bait.
You fell for the bait. Like you fell for the bait.
And maybe, you know, in a sick, sick way, let's rabbit upon this
in a sick, sick way. Like maybe God, if God is real,

(01:37:06):
right? Maybe God has a sense of humor
and maybe God's like God does pick a lot of people, right?
Maybe God picks picks a lot of people to be like his messengers
of the word or what? Right.
This is a bit, I guess, OK. And and his sixth sense of humor

(01:37:26):
is I'm going to, I'm going to try all these people and I'm
going to let them like speak my word and this and that.
But like, I'm going to present them with temptations and things
that obviously contradict my teachings.

(01:37:49):
And like, that's like, if they fall for it, they don't get to
like the next level. Like, and anyone who doesn't
fall for like the obvious thingsthat like contradict his
teachings, he's like, all right,like I'm going to put you like
on one more step above those people where like me and you

(01:38:10):
have a closer relationship. It's like you're like one more
like in, I don't know, like in the, in the world's of like
having like angels and stuff like not that crazy.
But just like, in the sense of like, if like pastors really are
the messengers between God and his and his people and his
followers and stuff. Like maybe he puts like little
things along the road where if they fall for these things that

(01:38:33):
obviously contradict this teaching, he's like, yeah, you
guys are like still like messengers, but like, it's like
you fucked up your promotion, dumb ass.
Like I was giving you a chance to to get a promotion, but like,
you fucked it up. Like I got to go with somebody
else now. Yeah, there is a bit in that,

(01:38:57):
but it's so spooky because I know you don't know this, but
like a lot of what you just saidis like foundational principles
and like the real theology of Christ.
Holy shit, for real? Yeah.

(01:39:19):
Because let's not get too deep into it, but I'll throw a
couple. Of little things.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry to laugh so hard, but
it's just so funny to me. Like so crazy, alright.
There's a couple different parables where like Christ has
given these parables to people, right?
And he always says like he always gives these stories in
this weird way where like only those who are meant to

(01:39:42):
spiritually hear it can hear it,right?
And that's what makes it so likepoetic and like mysterious.
But anywho, but he always like he gave these different parables
where he would say like 1 is youmight have heard of this one
where it's like broad is the broad is the way or a narrow is

(01:40:05):
the way to into heaven because like everyone's going on the
Broadway and like only a few people actually like leave the
masses and like actually find the small narrow way that
actually takes you to heaven. Or like he will, he's given

(01:40:26):
parables where at the end when everyone's dead and we've moved
on and we are in front of Christ, there's going to be all
these Christians who come up to him and be like, I'm finally
with you, Christ. And Jesus is going to be like, I
don't know you. This is Jesus saying that in his
story. Like he's saying this is going
to happen like all these becausehe's talking about the Pharisees

(01:40:48):
and shit. He's like all these people and
you know, when it's all said anddone, they're going to be like,
Oh, I'm finally with you. And I'm going to be like, I
don't know you. And and they're going to be
like, Oh, no. But I was like, I was like voted
the best Christian every year. And I went to church on Sunday,
every Sunday, and I paid my tithes and I did this and that

(01:41:12):
and and Jesus is going to say, Idon't know you.
Shit. And, and, and like I'm mixing up
the story, but like the ending, the story, he goes like the
homeless person you didn't feed.That was me.
You didn't feed me the the, the sick person who needed help or

(01:41:36):
this person who needed shelter or the orphan kid who needed,
needed things like that was me and you didn't do anything.
I don't know you. It's like these and it's like
again bro, again the fucking teacher is teaching the thing
and the message is clear. And these people who are trying

(01:41:59):
to like teach this message are doing the exact opposite.
Like he's literally saying in the fucking story, bro, that you
Christians are going to come to me and say look at all these
amazing works that I did and look how much of amazing
American Christian I was and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah. And he's going to be like, I
don't fucking know you, man. I don't know who you are.

(01:42:21):
You definitely did not do my works.
My works was the homeless, the sick, the prostitutes, the the
liars, the orphans, the the shunned, the excommunicated, the
immigrants, so on and so on. What you did for them is what

(01:42:44):
you did for me, and you ain't doshit, so I don't know you.
Yo. Because Jesus is going to say, I
don't know you. Jesus Christ episode 99.
Love you guys.