May 28, 2025 • 27 mins
In the inaugural episode of 'The Brothers,' Steve and Mike discuss an April 14th space trip featuring an all-female crew, including celebrities like Katy Perry and Gail King, as part of Blue Origin's 'New Shepherd' project led by Jeff Bezos. They explore the implications of celebrity endorsements for space tourism, highlighting criticism from the public and other celebrities about the misuse of resources. The hosts also debate whether these women should be considered astronauts and touch on the competitive landscape between Blue Origin, SpaceX, and NASA. The episode delves into the legitimacy and impact of private space missions, and the push for making space exploration more mainstream.
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Steve (00:21):
So back on April 14th, ladies Night turned into a trip
to space and everybody went alittle crazy.
And we're gonna talk about thattoday on the inaugural episode
of The Brothers.
How?
I'm Steve.
And I'm Mike, welcome to ourshow.
Mike (00:38):
Alright, so we get to talk about.
I think you introduced the ideaof some celebrity posity into
this episode as we're gonna talkabout the celebrities that went
to space for some reason oranother.
Steve (00:54):
Yeah.
b list of celebrities, KatiePerry and Gail King, and then
for other people I've neverheard of.
Well, one of is one of Ms.
Laura Sanchez.
Lauren Sanchez, who is JeffBezos's fiance.
Mike (01:06):
You know, there has to be a joke in there somewhere where
you just sent your, he's alreadydone.
Whether he sent her to space, Idon't know.
She can never ask him foranother thing ever again.
Jesus Christ.
I sent you to space,
Steve (01:17):
and that was, that was the 11th, uh trip, or manned
trip that Bezos has sent intospace.
11th.
Really?
The 11th.
The 11th one of what he callsThe Good Shepherd project, I
guess.
Mike (01:27):
And I guess that's for tourism, right?
Steve (01:30):
Yeah.
I think he's trying to monetizespace for his own means.
I'm sure.
Well, what's going on here?
Mike (01:35):
That's what I got out of it too.
So I did look up, what is itcalled?
It's called, um, you said GoodShepherd, is that what it is?
And it's named after s it'snamed after Shepherd.
The Astronaut, I think.
Steve (01:48):
Allen Shepherd?
Mike (01:49):
Yeah.
I believe so.
Yes.
Astronaut.
Steve (01:51):
Okay.
Mike (01:51):
New Shepherd.
Is that what it is?
New Shepherd at?
Yeah, because uh, I think likethe flight starts with an NS and
then a dash and whatever flightwas right?
Steve (01:59):
does, yes.
New Shepherd.
That's, that's right.
Mike (02:01):
So who else has gone up, do you know?
Steve (02:04):
Well, he went up in the first one along with his brother
and, I think two others whosename's I don't recall.
And there have been some othercelebrities too, although I'm
not sure who that was.
This is the first all femalecrew.
Mike (02:16):
apparently that was the, I guess I'm doing air quotes.
that was a big deal.
Steve (02:20):
Yeah, that was the hook.
So they were, they were in space11 minutes.
There were some that might havethought, that should have been
longer.
Meaning that they didn't
Mike (02:29):
want'em to come back.
Steve (02:30):
Yeah.
And aren't there any othercelebrity women who are the top
celebrity female, entertainerstoday?
I guess Beyonce wasn't available
Mike (02:37):
I saw some.
Other famous in the mediacelebrity, and I can't remember
her name off the top of my head,spoke out against it, which I
thought was interesting.
Steve (02:47):
There've been a few and they keep piling up every day.
one of'em was half pint fromLittle House in the Prairie,
Melissa Gilbert,
Mike (02:53):
melissa Gilbert spoke out against it.
Steve (02:55):
Yes, she did.
No, she was not in favor of it.
waste of money, waste ofresources that could have been
put to better use.
And, people were very quick to,rush to her support.
Olivia Munn, Olivia Wild, and afew others, all tended to agree
with her.
Mike (03:10):
Well, you know, me, I'm not a huge, billionaire boys
club fan.
Steve (03:15):
Yeah.
Mike (03:16):
But I will say that, if nothing else, it is getting us
more and more towards, makingspace more of an everyday thing.
Steve (03:26):
Yeah.
It puts eyes on it.
Most certainly.
It draws more attention and withthe competitive nature of it,
now, that's even all the betterbetween, Blue Origin and Musk
with his SpaceX and nasa,hopefully it lights a fire under
NASA and gets them going.
I would like to see boots onMars before I'm gone, and I hope
that's gonna be in the thirties.
And all of this I think helpsthat.
(03:46):
But, I do have a problem withusing celebrities to, to advance
this in particular because.
Just a couple weeks before thistook place, you may remember
this took place on April 14thand a few weeks before that two
astronauts who had beenbasically incarcerated in space
for nine months when they wereonly supposed to be there.
Oh, yeah.
A week they come, they finallyget rescued and come home and
(04:10):
you hear basically nothing aboutit.
Sonny Williams and, ButchWilmore, and they should have
been the heroes people weretalking about.
But people can't stop talkingabout Ka Perry.
Mike (04:19):
That's a really good point actually.
So, and I imagine there's a lotmore to it, but I mean, so they
had to plan this flight for BlueOrigin and get these female,
I'm, I'm not gonna use the wordastronauts, get these females
into space, and I wonder ifthere could have been more
planning around, Hey, let's goget those guys off the space
(04:42):
station from Blue Originperspective, as opposed to
SpaceX or whoever went up thereto do it.
Yeah.
I mean, I, I don't know, maybecould we have put, more effort
into that in helping out NASAand the National Space Station
and as astronauts that werestranded rather than putting all
this planning in the fly.
Katy Perry into suborbital spacefor 11 minutes.
Steve (05:05):
Sure.
Why couldn't, I mean, we're eventalking about basically the same
timeline.
So if Bezos had gotten involvedearlier, couldn't one or both of
them have gotten to thoseastronauts that much sooner?
Mike (05:16):
I'm sure there's a lot to it.
You probably have to figure outhow to dock with it and all that
stuff.
And that wasn't built in, I'msure.
Still it just,
Steve (05:22):
you don't think they're using standardized equipment off
the shelf.
Mike (05:24):
Oh, I mean, maybe
Steve (05:28):
W Coyote would've ordered it from Acme.
They can't do that.
Yeah.
Mike (05:31):
Well that's a good point.
the National Space Station,probably the International Space
Station probably is built tosome sort of, International
specs.
And if Blue Origin isn'tbuilding to that, what the hell?
Steve (05:44):
Yeah.
And that, of course is gonna bestandardized too because of the
various nations, the dock withthe ISS.
So a lot of that stuff is gonnabe standard.
Mike (05:51):
So I did a quick lookup and, I haven't validated my
sources, but I don't see anyreason why this would not be
correct.
I looked at SpaceX versus BlueOrigin and, financial viability.
it does look to me that SpaceXfrom a financial viability
standpoint is worth.
(06:12):
10 times, what Blue Origin is,but also Elon Musk, it's
privately held, but Elon Musk,being, I don't know if he, is
the single majority holder, buthe's done so many rounds of
funding to get a lot of externalfunding, so he does not own it
all whereas Jeff Bezos, he justcashes out Amazon stock
(06:33):
annually, like a billiondollars, and he owns every bit
of Blue Origin.
Steve (06:38):
Right.
And that's the other argumenttoo.
I mean, regardless whether youagree with it or not, it is his
money.
He can do with it, whatever helikes.
Mike (06:44):
Yeah.
And I looked up to see if those,those passengers paid to go.
I.
And there's no, uh, there's onlyguesses what that flight costs
and how much it costs perperson, but it's believed that
it was all pro bono.
Steve (06:58):
Yeah.
I've seen in the past, wellbefore this took place, that
isn't the idea that people aregonna be paying a million
dollars per ride to get tospace.
Mike (07:07):
I saw 1.25 million when I looked it up.
Okay.
Yeah, so you're
Steve (07:11):
right
Mike (07:11):
on.
Steve (07:11):
So the upper 2% is gonna get to take the bus ride, but
nobody else is going
Mike (07:15):
to.
Yeah, but isn't that, isn't thatfunny that I said you're right
on.
You're only off by a quarter ofa million dollars.
I mean nothing to these people.
That's a lot to me.
Oh, change today.
You're right on.
You're only off by a quarter ofa million.
So, I don't know.
I looked at the people that didgo up and I tried to like look
at all their profiles and whathave you.
I think everybody knows KatyPerry.
(07:37):
So it, it did say andeverything.
I looked up, you said, you saidbe celebrity.
I get Global Hop Superstar iswhat I get when I look around.
Steve (07:51):
Katie Perry.
Mike (07:52):
Yeah.
Steve (07:52):
Maybe 15 years ago.
Mike (07:54):
and then Gail King, I think everybody knows what she
does.
Steve (07:57):
Professional coattail writer.
Mike (07:59):
Yeah.
Steve (07:59):
Professional.
Coattail
Mike (08:00):
writer.
Didn't that one didn't come
Steve (08:01):
up.
That didn't come up.
Mike (08:03):
No.
Steve (08:04):
Well, you know, she was Oprah's childhood buddy, their
best friend.
Right.
And
Mike (08:07):
I, and so it, that that's what she's, it says, what is she
known for?
Long time friendship with OprahWinfrey.
Steve (08:12):
Yeah.
She has a career because sheknows Oprah is basically, so she
is.
Oh,
Mike (08:16):
wow.
Steve (08:17):
But given the fact how she, got to her, status in life.
She's not really good either atwhat she does, but she's not
terrible.
There are worse.
Mike (08:24):
Now, I think you pronounced the o Asia Bo.
Or Bowie.
she's, she is actually a rocketscientist, aerospace engineer,
Steve (08:33):
Uhhuh,
Mike (08:33):
and she was probably one of the legitimate astronauts one
there that, I think Gailreferred to as actually doing
some experiments when they werein suborbital space for 11
minutes.
Steve (08:45):
So she took her case with all her beakers and, Petri
dishes with her.
Mike (08:48):
think she did, had some pet
Steve (08:50):
dishes
Mike (08:51):
it all out
Steve (08:51):
for 11 minutes.
Mike (08:52):
Apparently it's, Jeff Bezos thing Is not just tourism,
but also minimal gravityexperimentation.
And so I imagine that's whatthey were doing.
Steve (09:03):
Well, you can do that right here on Earth, aren't you
in one of the zero gravity?
Uh Facilitators are one of thosethings.
They have, like I know, I thinkNASA has one where they can, you
can turn off the gravity.
Mike (09:14):
Well, isn't that just a plane that dives really fast or
something?
Well, there's a plane that does
Steve (09:17):
it too, but I, isn't there something on earth now
that, you can just basically goinside, they turn off the
gravity and you float up.
Mike (09:23):
Hey, just turn off the gravity.
They got that figured out.
I didn't know about that.
It's
Steve (09:29):
a, it's a vacuum, I guess.
And then they can
Mike (09:31):
turn off the gravity.
It's like that guy's stove and,uh, what is it?
Uh, and my cousin Vinny, whereall laws of physics cease to
exist on top of your stove.
Steve (09:41):
Well, any grit Loving southerner's gonna know that.
Mike (09:44):
Darn right.
Oh, that's hilarious.
And then who else?
There was?
Steve (09:52):
Um, well, Carrie Ann Flynn, who I believe is some
kind of a director or producer,
Mike (09:57):
film producer, private equity advisor.
She's known for quietlyinfluential behind the scenes in
media and finance.
So definitely in the Hollywoodindustry of some sort.
Steve (10:09):
Yeah.
Mike (10:10):
And then Amanda NuGen,
Steve (10:13):
do they pronounce it, NuGen or is it nen?
Mike (10:15):
That's a good question.
And I wasn't looking at thespelling.
it looked much like a gentlemanI went to school with in, high
school, but it might've beenspelled a little differently.
Steve (10:22):
Uhhuh,
Mike (10:24):
she has something to do with, bio astronautics in
researching, but also civilrights activist.
Steve (10:33):
Somebody was being oppressed up there that she had
to go see.
Mike (10:38):
I, yeah, I don't know.
Somebody, I'm trying to,
Steve (10:41):
just wanna make sure they had all their bases covered for
these, 11 minutes they were upthere.
Mike (10:44):
Well, I'm just looking at the list and I'm not sure which
one of these was beingoppressed, but we had it covered
little,
Steve (10:49):
there were little mini, mini cross section of society
that they took with'em.
Mike (10:53):
I gotta say they do think of everything they always say
like, you, like nasa, you know,we don't take chances or
anything.
We got backups of everything, Iguess, blue origin's taking a
page from that.
There you go.
Steve (11:05):
Well in the long run, I hope it's NASA that's actually
going to benefit from these sortof things.
And, and really get moving.
You don't hear as much aboutNASA as I wish you did.
I need to know more about what'sgoing on there.
I know they're reaching towardsMars.
I know SpaceX is reachingtowards Mars.
I think Blue or Blue, origin isreally just interested in making
money.
So
Mike (11:24):
I think, I think that's true.
Isn't that what that guy did?
who's the guy that owned the,uh, Virgin?
Virgin Atlantic or whatever
Steve (11:30):
Ran.
Mike (11:31):
Yeah.
Wasn't he also trying to do thesame thing?
Steve (11:33):
Yes.
You know, he was, but I haven'theard anything about that in a
while.
Is he still a player?
Mike (11:36):
I don't know where he is in the Billionaire Boys Club,
but he's probably nowhere near aBezos or a Musk.
And they, they
Steve (11:43):
own their, they own their own islands, most of them.
I know Branson does
Mike (11:47):
From a historic standpoint and from a quite frankly, I, I
would say hoopla, but I don'tknow how much you saw about it.
I didn't know this space flightwas even happening until I
turned on the news and it wasliterally like 10 seconds to
lunchtime.
Steve (12:03):
Well, you knew about it before I did.
I didn't know about it untilafter it already happened
probably later that night or inthe morning.
So maybe it's, but after that itbecame cooler talk every day and
every day there's something newabout it.
And of course, now the big thingis did it really happen?
Mike (12:18):
Oh, no way.
Are people saying this?
Yeah, people are already gonna,
Steve (12:22):
I don't know if it's that we never set foot on, on the
moon people or if it's a wholenew sect of society.
I don't know.
But they, yeah, it's a growing,growing, group of people that
believe it didn't actuallyhappen.
Mike (12:34):
That's, I think that's unrealistic.
I mean, come on, if you aregonna do something that really
didn't happen, do somethingbetter than that.
Steve (12:42):
Yeah, I agree with that.
I feel much the same way aboutthe people who don't believe we
walked on the moon, but that'sfodder for another day, I guess.
Mike (12:50):
Yeah.
I think OJ Simpson showed us thetruth in a movie, didn't he?
Capricorn won Capricorn wine.
That's right.
Steve (12:57):
I can't quite remember how many Oscars that got, but I
know it was well thought of.
Mike (13:02):
Yeah, it was.
Yeah.
I think it's 1 million
Steve (13:04):
across the board.
Mike (13:05):
it won everything that year it came out.
I'm sure.
Done really, really well with agreat cast.
Steve (13:12):
Well, James Brolin, he held it up.
Mike (13:14):
That's right.
James Brolin, he's what's hisson's name?
Josh.
Josh, yes.
I always forget that those twoare related.
Yeah, I forgot all about that.
That he was in that movie.
Steve (13:25):
That was, those were the pre Barbara Streisand days.
Mike (13:28):
Oh, is that James Brolin's?
Was that his wife
Steve (13:32):
is, I believe, I think they've been together a long
time still.
Oh, I feel bad
Mike (13:35):
for him.
No.
Steve (13:37):
But he's just people who love people and I guess that's
how they got together.
Mike (13:41):
People who love people.
Steve (13:43):
Yeah.
Mike (13:44):
I thought that was from, that movie with, his brother
Santa Claus with, Vince.
Steve (13:50):
Vince Vaughn,
Mike (13:51):
Vince Vaughn, what is it?
something Ted Claus or somethinglike that.
Oh, yeah, the, the Santa Claus.
I love, I love that movie.
Really?
And he, and he does a, a schemein there where, he, he needs
money.
And so you have all the SantaClauss on the corner, trying to
get money, ringing the bell,what have you.
And he's over there and he'sdoing people for the people.
(14:13):
People for the people over here,you gotta, no, don't put your
money in there.
You come over here, you put itin here.
It's people for the people.
We're here to help people.
He just made it up and he's allover.
It was just hilarious.
Steve (14:24):
Did, uh, did Katy Perry have a cameo in that?
Because I'm not sure I'm gettingthe connection.
Mike (14:29):
There is no connection.
You came out, you said somethingabout people, for people with
James Brolin and what's hername?
Steve (14:36):
Yeah, I guess I'm the one that led US astray.
Okay.
Mike (14:39):
All right.
I was trying to find, so I heardthat there was some pushback on
calling these women astronautsafter the flight.
Did you see anything
Steve (14:53):
about that?
I didn't see anything aboutpeople trying to define them,
particularly as astronauts, butI did see something where if, if
they broached, what is itcalled?
The, the, the kmar or,
Mike (15:04):
Yes.
Steve (15:05):
Yeah.
If it's 62 miles off, thesurface of the ocean, and if you
breach that barrier, you'reactually in space.
And by law, I guess you have tobe called an astronaut.
Mike (15:15):
So.
I don't know.
it seems like somebody wanted tofight that and there's more than
just that to, than justbreaching that to be called an
astronaut.
But I think it's too latebecause these billionaires are
already being called astronautsfor the same reason.
Steve (15:30):
So if I were to get shot out of a cannon and I somehow
breached that 62 mile barrier, Icouldn't be an astronaut.
Mike (15:36):
Well, I don't know.
I actually just watched, uh,Armageddon this, uh, past week
and my favorite scene in thereis when, they're all gonna go up
there and pretty much die onasteroid Saving Earth.
And Steve BMI's character knewthe night before they launch, he
goes to a loan shark and borrowsa hundred thousand dollars.
He's like, yeah, sure, I'll paywhatever man.
(15:56):
'cause he thinks he's gonna dieanyway.
And if he doesn't die, everybodyelse is.
So.
He takes the a hundred thousanddollars and goes to a strip club
and just blowing money right andleft, blowing money, right and
left.
And these other guys come up tohim, Hey, you're taking all the
action.
They get in a big fight and theyget arrested by the cops and
Steve Chemis off like, well, heyman, I'm an astronaut.
And then the guy he's fightingwith some thug.
Yeah, man.
(16:17):
We're all astronauts, man.
Just cracks me up.
Yeah man.
We're all astronauts.
Steve (16:25):
You know, there could be something to that too.
Could this be some kind of, Inclandestine cover to be for
these girls to be in trainingfor taking that asteroid
outfit's supposed to pass closeby us here in about 11 years, 12
years.
Mike (16:37):
Oh, could be, could be.
It'd be called, uh, the Katyperil.
Steve (16:43):
I'm feeling much, I'll sleep much better tonight.
Knowing that, or at leastbelieving that could be a
possibility.
Mike (16:49):
Let's see here.
So i'm looking at some publicbacklash.
It faced criticism from OliviaMunn.
I think that was a celebrity Iwas trying to think of,
Steve (16:58):
yeah, the two Olivia's, her and Olivia.
Yeah, there were two of
Mike (17:01):
Olivia Munn and Olivia Wild.
Yeah.
And, and there was,
Steve (17:05):
there was another one, I think she's a current star,
Emily something, but I can'tpronounce that last name.
it's got like seven syllables,but apparently she's big today.
Mike (17:15):
But, and also the US Secretary of Transportation,
Sean Duffy, is the one who wasarguing that they shouldn't be
labeled as astronauts, and hecited some FAA criteria, which
I'm not sure exactly what thatwas.
Steve (17:28):
I can't, uh, I can't say that I wanna argue with that too
much.
I'm okay with it.
Mike (17:33):
Well, I just wonder what it actually is.
To say that you are anastronaut?
Steve (17:40):
Well, I think you would have to have some kind of
certificate hanging on your wallthat you got when you completed
your training at nasa.
Mike (17:50):
Okay.
What?
Okay,
Steve (17:51):
I'm messing.
I don't know.
Mike (17:53):
I, it would make a lot of sense.
I would get that.
But let me ask you this, so.
If you did go through all thattraining at nasa, but you never
actually went into space'causeyou didn't get selected for the
next flight or whatever.
Are you an astronaut?
Steve (18:08):
Well, aren't there astronauts who have never been
to space that have worked forNASA over the years, test pilots
that never got scrubbed or neveractually got to get to space
that are considered astronauts?
Mike (18:18):
I don't, I'm not sure they are.
I bet you, I bet you they're notcalled astronauts.
Maybe what Chuck Yeager
Steve (18:25):
was, he considered an astronaut.
Mike (18:26):
not considered an astronaut.
But he's been shot up, shot atand shot down.
Steve (18:32):
What about that guy that a few years back, uh, actually,
uh, jumped with a parachute fromthe outer orbit.
Is he an astronaut?
Mike (18:39):
DB Cooper?
Steve (18:40):
No, not the, not the guy that robbed the bank.
They actually found this guy.
I don't think they ever found
Mike (18:46):
db.
They never found db.
No.
And he's not an astronaut.
Steve (18:50):
No.
Now this guy, you remember awhile back, he actually jumped
from.
The outer space somewherebeyond, beyond, uh, earth's
orbit or beyond earth's,atmosphere.
And he plunged out.
I don't know.
It's ridiculous.
I can't believe anybody has theguts to do it, but he survived.
I mean, he lived and he, helanded safely,
Mike (19:11):
but he was above that barrier.
Steve (19:13):
I don't know.
Maybe not, but I know it waswhere he jumped from was dark
and it wasn't nighttime when hedid it.
So I remember the, I rememberthe footage of seeing that.
Mike (19:23):
So I think if we looked at astronaut criteria, so there is
an astronaut requirement pagefrom nasa, You have to be a US
citizen.
Apparently the debt, everybodypassed that muster.
Steve (19:38):
so Elon himself cannot be, or is he a US citizen?
I guess he is a US citizen.
Mike (19:42):
he can be whatever he wants to.
He's
Steve (19:43):
not a naturalized citizen.
Yeah.
Oh, is he?
Mike (19:45):
You have to possess a master's degree in a STEM field.
So, Katie's out,
Steve (19:52):
I'm sure that, I'm sure that except for maybe that Aisha
bow, they're all out.
Mike (19:57):
Yeah.
There was one in there that hada, a, a, she was there.
She something in her bio saidsomething about stem.
You have to have two years ofrelated professional experience.
What that mean?
Well, I walked across thedesert.
Steve (20:16):
Well, I'll tell you what, the woman who was rescued from
the International Space Station,she was an astronaut.
Sonny Williams.
Sonny, yeah.
Williams.
Okay.
Mike (20:23):
It says, if you don't have the two years of related
experience, you have to have athousand hours pilot and command
in a jet aircraft.
And you have to be able to passthe NASA long duration flight.
Astronaut physical.
Steve (20:38):
Okay.
Well I was with you until then.
I'll never be an
Mike (20:40):
astronaut.
Yeah.
Well, I don't have a thousandhours probably.
I get past, I could probably getby with a degree in STEM field.
That's I have.
Okay.
Well that counts all of'em out.
Except, you know, maybe theactual astronaut that was there.
Yeah.
Steve (20:58):
A Chabot, or let me ask, are, are the cosmonaut criteria
is tough?
Mike (21:04):
Is what?
Steve (21:05):
Maybe they're cos maybe they're cosmonauts.
Is that, is the cosmonautcriteria not, uh, as bad?
Well, so that's not an astronaut
Mike (21:10):
as a cosmonaut.
Steve (21:11):
Okay.
Mike (21:12):
We'll have to look that up.
Steve (21:13):
Yeah.
Mike (21:14):
I'm guessing you have to be a Russian citizen.
That might be the first one.
Like we had US citizen.
Steve (21:21):
Could be, could be.
But what if you were one of thecountries that's no longer part
of the former Soviet Union?
Is that still, does that stillcount?
Mike (21:28):
You're just a knot then, I think.
Alright, so what, what else?
Anything else we need to talkabout with respect to this one?
The thing I looked up to findout, like public backlash and
those type of things.
There's a couple of things.
So first off, historicalachievement.
This mission was the first allfemale.
(21:49):
Of course we know that, but didyou know that there was an all
female in 1963?
Steve (21:56):
Because there was only one.
Mike (21:58):
It was one, but it was all female.
Steve (22:00):
Yeah, it was all female.
That was the Russian girl?
Mike (22:02):
Yeah, it was a Valentina terra cova?
Steve (22:06):
Yes.
Mike (22:08):
Wow.
I'm surprised you did that.
Steve (22:10):
That's cool.
I did read about that.
Yeah.
Mike (22:12):
Let's see here.
In the cruise defense, and thisis what I was talking about, the
experiments.
So she took all the woman thattook all her beakers and petri
dishes and all that stuff.
Gail King defended the mission,emphasizing the scientific
contributions of fellowpassengers.
Aisha B and is that, how did yousay her name?
(22:32):
It's either
Steve (22:33):
Aisha or Aisha.
I think it's Aisha.
Mike (22:35):
Aisha.
And it might be Bowie, I'm notsure.
And uh, Amanda, I'm gonna sayNuGen, who conducted experiments
during the flight.
We have no idea whatexperiments, but apparently some
sort of minimal gravitationalexperiments.
Steve (22:49):
Yes, minimal.
I'll say so, because again, theflight was 11 minutes,
Mike (22:53):
I don't think that's what they meant.
My memo, but, but yeah, I getwhere you're coming from.
Steve (22:59):
11 minutes.
Mike (23:00):
I think they met.
I think they met, it wasn't zerogravity, there was some gravity
is what they meant by me.
Steve (23:05):
Okay.
You know, I wanna push back tooon the, on the whole thing being
called a mission.
A mission is something arduousand difficult and you're putting
your life on the line and, it'sof a serious nature and it's
going to present some incrediblefact, life-changing kind of
facts.
I don't think that just,bouncing off the planet into
space and back again is reallywhat you'd call a mission.
Mike (23:26):
Well, I think one thing it could have done and stick with
Mihir is it put Ka Perry in somepretty nice outfits for her tour
Steve (23:36):
and it got people talking about her career again too.
Yeah.
I guess there is a, there is amission there because didn't she
have a.
Very shortly after that, she dida show, I forget where it was,
where, she had quite a turnout,I believe, and, uh, before she
started getting pushback.
She's been defending this thingalmost ever since.
Oh, yeah.
But, it did put her in thelimelight again
Mike (23:55):
and she was bringing people up on stage that were
dressed in like futuristiccostumes and what have you.
It's like her thing now.
Steve (24:02):
Yeah.
Yeah.
She's, she's totally embracedthe whole space thing.
I don't know that this was verybeneficial to Gail King.
I don't know if it pulled anyviewers over from Good Morning
America and today over to herCBS Morning Show or not, but, I
guess it's possible.
Mike (24:18):
Well, it can't hurt, I imagine.
Steve (24:21):
But if you're going up against Al Roker, I don't really
see you pulling a lot of viewersaway from the Today Show.
Mike (24:26):
I would've just assumed sent Al Roker into space.
That's a good point.
Steve (24:33):
Well, that would've totally eclipsed everything that
Gail King did.
So I don't see, so there is,
Mike (24:39):
there is one thing I haven't heard anybody say.
'cause I mean, I didn't look forit.
I'm sure somebody had to noticethis.
'cause I noticed it and Inoticed it when I said, I think
I tuned in five seconds beforeit launched and I cracked up.
And the reason I cracked up isbecause all female on this, I'm
doing air quotes againstspaceship.
(25:01):
I'm sorry, the spaceship lookslike a huge penis.
Steve (25:05):
Yeah.
Did you not notice this?
There is.
There is.
There is a phallic symbolismthere.
Yes, there is.
Mike (25:10):
It is.
And the reason I had to bringthat back up'cause as I'm
scrolling through my notes here,there is a picture of the launch
and it's just, it's absolutelyphallic.
I just can't believe that, thatI've tried
Steve (25:21):
to, I've tried to ignore that aspect, but, you weren't
gonna allow that to happen.
Mike (25:26):
How can you skip over that?
I'm not sure It'd be funnier tohave all male on there or all
female on there, but regardless,it definitely found,
Steve (25:38):
I'm looking here now.
Yeah.
I wasn't prepared.
I, I didn't bring any of mypenis jokes, so, so there's
nothing I can do with this.
those are hard.
Yeah.
I, I, I'm, I'm at a loss.
Mike (25:58):
Alright, anything else we can say about Katy Perry and
crew?
And that's what I'm gonna call'em.
Steve (26:03):
Katie Perry and crew, it works for me because she's, she
would be the marquee, themarquee player here.
no, that's, I don't thinkthere's anything left to be
said, but you know what?
Every time I believe it's kindof a, it's kind of a dead story.
Something gets put on, Twitter,which is X now, or TikTok or
something.
Something comes out in socialmedia to, revamp it again and
(26:26):
reboot it.
So we'll see what happens in thecoming weeks.
So back on April 14th, ladies Night turned into a trip
to space and everybody went alittle crazy.
And we're gonna talk about thattoday on the inaugural episode
of The Brothers.
How?
I'm Steve.
And I'm Mike, welcome to ourshow.
Mike (00:38):
Alright, so we get to talk about.
I think you introduced the ideaof some celebrity posity into
this episode as we're gonna talkabout the celebrities that went
to space for some reason oranother.
Steve (00:54):
Yeah.
b list of celebrities, KatiePerry and Gail King, and then
for other people I've neverheard of.
Well, one of is one of Ms.
Laura Sanchez.
Lauren Sanchez, who is JeffBezos's fiance.
Mike (01:06):
You know, there has to be a joke in there somewhere where
you just sent your, he's alreadydone.
Whether he sent her to space, Idon't know.
She can never ask him foranother thing ever again.
Jesus Christ.
I sent you to space,
Steve (01:17):
and that was, that was the 11th, uh trip, or manned
trip that Bezos has sent intospace.
11th.
Really?
The 11th.
The 11th one of what he callsThe Good Shepherd project, I
guess.
Mike (01:27):
And I guess that's for tourism, right?
Steve (01:30):
Yeah.
I think he's trying to monetizespace for his own means.
I'm sure.
Well, what's going on here?
Mike (01:35):
That's what I got out of it too.
So I did look up, what is itcalled?
It's called, um, you said GoodShepherd, is that what it is?
And it's named after s it'snamed after Shepherd.
The Astronaut, I think.
Steve (01:48):
Allen Shepherd?
Mike (01:49):
Yeah.
I believe so.
Yes.
Astronaut.
Steve (01:51):
Okay.
Mike (01:51):
New Shepherd.
Is that what it is?
New Shepherd at?
Yeah, because uh, I think likethe flight starts with an NS and
then a dash and whatever flightwas right?
Steve (01:59):
does, yes.
New Shepherd.
That's, that's right.
Mike (02:01):
So who else has gone up, do you know?
Steve (02:04):
Well, he went up in the first one along with his brother
and, I think two others whosename's I don't recall.
And there have been some othercelebrities too, although I'm
not sure who that was.
This is the first all femalecrew.
Mike (02:16):
apparently that was the, I guess I'm doing air quotes.
that was a big deal.
Steve (02:20):
Yeah, that was the hook.
So they were, they were in space11 minutes.
There were some that might havethought, that should have been
longer.
Meaning that they didn't
Mike (02:29):
want'em to come back.
Steve (02:30):
Yeah.
And aren't there any othercelebrity women who are the top
celebrity female, entertainerstoday?
I guess Beyonce wasn't available
Mike (02:37):
I saw some.
Other famous in the mediacelebrity, and I can't remember
her name off the top of my head,spoke out against it, which I
thought was interesting.
Steve (02:47):
There've been a few and they keep piling up every day.
one of'em was half pint fromLittle House in the Prairie,
Melissa Gilbert,
Mike (02:53):
melissa Gilbert spoke out against it.
Steve (02:55):
Yes, she did.
No, she was not in favor of it.
waste of money, waste ofresources that could have been
put to better use.
And, people were very quick to,rush to her support.
Olivia Munn, Olivia Wild, and afew others, all tended to agree
with her.
Mike (03:10):
Well, you know, me, I'm not a huge, billionaire boys
club fan.
Steve (03:15):
Yeah.
Mike (03:16):
But I will say that, if nothing else, it is getting us
more and more towards, makingspace more of an everyday thing.
Steve (03:26):
Yeah.
It puts eyes on it.
Most certainly.
It draws more attention and withthe competitive nature of it,
now, that's even all the betterbetween, Blue Origin and Musk
with his SpaceX and nasa,hopefully it lights a fire under
NASA and gets them going.
I would like to see boots onMars before I'm gone, and I hope
that's gonna be in the thirties.
And all of this I think helpsthat.
(03:46):
But, I do have a problem withusing celebrities to, to advance
this in particular because.
Just a couple weeks before thistook place, you may remember
this took place on April 14thand a few weeks before that two
astronauts who had beenbasically incarcerated in space
for nine months when they wereonly supposed to be there.
Oh, yeah.
A week they come, they finallyget rescued and come home and
(04:10):
you hear basically nothing aboutit.
Sonny Williams and, ButchWilmore, and they should have
been the heroes people weretalking about.
But people can't stop talkingabout Ka Perry.
Mike (04:19):
That's a really good point actually.
So, and I imagine there's a lotmore to it, but I mean, so they
had to plan this flight for BlueOrigin and get these female,
I'm, I'm not gonna use the wordastronauts, get these females
into space, and I wonder ifthere could have been more
planning around, Hey, let's goget those guys off the space
(04:42):
station from Blue Originperspective, as opposed to
SpaceX or whoever went up thereto do it.
Yeah.
I mean, I, I don't know, maybecould we have put, more effort
into that in helping out NASAand the National Space Station
and as astronauts that werestranded rather than putting all
this planning in the fly.
Katy Perry into suborbital spacefor 11 minutes.
Steve (05:05):
Sure.
Why couldn't, I mean, we're eventalking about basically the same
timeline.
So if Bezos had gotten involvedearlier, couldn't one or both of
them have gotten to thoseastronauts that much sooner?
Mike (05:16):
I'm sure there's a lot to it.
You probably have to figure outhow to dock with it and all that
stuff.
And that wasn't built in, I'msure.
Still it just,
Steve (05:22):
you don't think they're using standardized equipment off
the shelf.
Mike (05:24):
Oh, I mean, maybe
Steve (05:28):
W Coyote would've ordered it from Acme.
They can't do that.
Yeah.
Mike (05:31):
Well that's a good point.
the National Space Station,probably the International Space
Station probably is built tosome sort of, International
specs.
And if Blue Origin isn'tbuilding to that, what the hell?
Steve (05:44):
Yeah.
And that, of course is gonna bestandardized too because of the
various nations, the dock withthe ISS.
So a lot of that stuff is gonnabe standard.
Mike (05:51):
So I did a quick lookup and, I haven't validated my
sources, but I don't see anyreason why this would not be
correct.
I looked at SpaceX versus BlueOrigin and, financial viability.
it does look to me that SpaceXfrom a financial viability
standpoint is worth.
(06:12):
10 times, what Blue Origin is,but also Elon Musk, it's
privately held, but Elon Musk,being, I don't know if he, is
the single majority holder, buthe's done so many rounds of
funding to get a lot of externalfunding, so he does not own it
all whereas Jeff Bezos, he justcashes out Amazon stock
(06:33):
annually, like a billiondollars, and he owns every bit
of Blue Origin.
Steve (06:38):
Right.
And that's the other argumenttoo.
I mean, regardless whether youagree with it or not, it is his
money.
He can do with it, whatever helikes.
Mike (06:44):
Yeah.
And I looked up to see if those,those passengers paid to go.
I.
And there's no, uh, there's onlyguesses what that flight costs
and how much it costs perperson, but it's believed that
it was all pro bono.
Steve (06:58):
Yeah.
I've seen in the past, wellbefore this took place, that
isn't the idea that people aregonna be paying a million
dollars per ride to get tospace.
Mike (07:07):
I saw 1.25 million when I looked it up.
Okay.
Yeah, so you're
Steve (07:11):
right
Mike (07:11):
on.
Steve (07:11):
So the upper 2% is gonna get to take the bus ride, but
nobody else is going
Mike (07:15):
to.
Yeah, but isn't that, isn't thatfunny that I said you're right
on.
You're only off by a quarter ofa million dollars.
I mean nothing to these people.
That's a lot to me.
Oh, change today.
You're right on.
You're only off by a quarter ofa million.
So, I don't know.
I looked at the people that didgo up and I tried to like look
at all their profiles and whathave you.
I think everybody knows KatyPerry.
(07:37):
So it, it did say andeverything.
I looked up, you said, you saidbe celebrity.
I get Global Hop Superstar iswhat I get when I look around.
Steve (07:51):
Katie Perry.
Mike (07:52):
Yeah.
Steve (07:52):
Maybe 15 years ago.
Mike (07:54):
and then Gail King, I think everybody knows what she
does.
Steve (07:57):
Professional coattail writer.
Mike (07:59):
Yeah.
Steve (07:59):
Professional.
Coattail
Mike (08:00):
writer.
Didn't that one didn't come
Steve (08:01):
up.
That didn't come up.
Mike (08:03):
No.
Steve (08:04):
Well, you know, she was Oprah's childhood buddy, their
best friend.
Right.
And
Mike (08:07):
I, and so it, that that's what she's, it says, what is she
known for?
Long time friendship with OprahWinfrey.
Steve (08:12):
Yeah.
She has a career because sheknows Oprah is basically, so she
is.
Oh,
Mike (08:16):
wow.
Steve (08:17):
But given the fact how she, got to her, status in life.
She's not really good either atwhat she does, but she's not
terrible.
There are worse.
Mike (08:24):
Now, I think you pronounced the o Asia Bo.
Or Bowie.
she's, she is actually a rocketscientist, aerospace engineer,
Steve (08:33):
Uhhuh,
Mike (08:33):
and she was probably one of the legitimate astronauts one
there that, I think Gailreferred to as actually doing
some experiments when they werein suborbital space for 11
minutes.
Steve (08:45):
So she took her case with all her beakers and, Petri
dishes with her.
Mike (08:48):
think she did, had some pet
Steve (08:50):
dishes
Mike (08:51):
it all out
Steve (08:51):
for 11 minutes.
Mike (08:52):
Apparently it's, Jeff Bezos thing Is not just tourism,
but also minimal gravityexperimentation.
And so I imagine that's whatthey were doing.
Steve (09:03):
Well, you can do that right here on Earth, aren't you
in one of the zero gravity?
Uh Facilitators are one of thosethings.
They have, like I know, I thinkNASA has one where they can, you
can turn off the gravity.
Mike (09:14):
Well, isn't that just a plane that dives really fast or
something?
Well, there's a plane that does
Steve (09:17):
it too, but I, isn't there something on earth now
that, you can just basically goinside, they turn off the
gravity and you float up.
Mike (09:23):
Hey, just turn off the gravity.
They got that figured out.
I didn't know about that.
It's
Steve (09:29):
a, it's a vacuum, I guess.
And then they can
Mike (09:31):
turn off the gravity.
It's like that guy's stove and,uh, what is it?
Uh, and my cousin Vinny, whereall laws of physics cease to
exist on top of your stove.
Steve (09:41):
Well, any grit Loving southerner's gonna know that.
Mike (09:44):
Darn right.
Oh, that's hilarious.
And then who else?
There was?
Steve (09:52):
Um, well, Carrie Ann Flynn, who I believe is some
kind of a director or producer,
Mike (09:57):
film producer, private equity advisor.
She's known for quietlyinfluential behind the scenes in
media and finance.
So definitely in the Hollywoodindustry of some sort.
Steve (10:09):
Yeah.
Mike (10:10):
And then Amanda NuGen,
Steve (10:13):
do they pronounce it, NuGen or is it nen?
Mike (10:15):
That's a good question.
And I wasn't looking at thespelling.
it looked much like a gentlemanI went to school with in, high
school, but it might've beenspelled a little differently.
Steve (10:22):
Uhhuh,
Mike (10:24):
she has something to do with, bio astronautics in
researching, but also civilrights activist.
Steve (10:33):
Somebody was being oppressed up there that she had
to go see.
Mike (10:38):
I, yeah, I don't know.
Somebody, I'm trying to,
Steve (10:41):
just wanna make sure they had all their bases covered for
these, 11 minutes they were upthere.
Mike (10:44):
Well, I'm just looking at the list and I'm not sure which
one of these was beingoppressed, but we had it covered
little,
Steve (10:49):
there were little mini, mini cross section of society
that they took with'em.
Mike (10:53):
I gotta say they do think of everything they always say
like, you, like nasa, you know,we don't take chances or
anything.
We got backups of everything, Iguess, blue origin's taking a
page from that.
There you go.
Steve (11:05):
Well in the long run, I hope it's NASA that's actually
going to benefit from these sortof things.
And, and really get moving.
You don't hear as much aboutNASA as I wish you did.
I need to know more about what'sgoing on there.
I know they're reaching towardsMars.
I know SpaceX is reachingtowards Mars.
I think Blue or Blue, origin isreally just interested in making
money.
So
Mike (11:24):
I think, I think that's true.
Isn't that what that guy did?
who's the guy that owned the,uh, Virgin?
Virgin Atlantic or whatever
Steve (11:30):
Ran.
Mike (11:31):
Yeah.
Wasn't he also trying to do thesame thing?
Steve (11:33):
Yes.
You know, he was, but I haven'theard anything about that in a
while.
Is he still a player?
Mike (11:36):
I don't know where he is in the Billionaire Boys Club,
but he's probably nowhere near aBezos or a Musk.
And they, they
Steve (11:43):
own their, they own their own islands, most of them.
I know Branson does
Mike (11:47):
From a historic standpoint and from a quite frankly, I, I
would say hoopla, but I don'tknow how much you saw about it.
I didn't know this space flightwas even happening until I
turned on the news and it wasliterally like 10 seconds to
lunchtime.
Steve (12:03):
Well, you knew about it before I did.
I didn't know about it untilafter it already happened
probably later that night or inthe morning.
So maybe it's, but after that itbecame cooler talk every day and
every day there's something newabout it.
And of course, now the big thingis did it really happen?
Mike (12:18):
Oh, no way.
Are people saying this?
Yeah, people are already gonna,
Steve (12:22):
I don't know if it's that we never set foot on, on the
moon people or if it's a wholenew sect of society.
I don't know.
But they, yeah, it's a growing,growing, group of people that
believe it didn't actuallyhappen.
Mike (12:34):
That's, I think that's unrealistic.
I mean, come on, if you aregonna do something that really
didn't happen, do somethingbetter than that.
Steve (12:42):
Yeah, I agree with that.
I feel much the same way aboutthe people who don't believe we
walked on the moon, but that'sfodder for another day, I guess.
Mike (12:50):
Yeah.
I think OJ Simpson showed us thetruth in a movie, didn't he?
Capricorn won Capricorn wine.
That's right.
Steve (12:57):
I can't quite remember how many Oscars that got, but I
know it was well thought of.
Mike (13:02):
Yeah, it was.
Yeah.
I think it's 1 million
Steve (13:04):
across the board.
Mike (13:05):
it won everything that year it came out.
I'm sure.
Done really, really well with agreat cast.
Steve (13:12):
Well, James Brolin, he held it up.
Mike (13:14):
That's right.
James Brolin, he's what's hisson's name?
Josh.
Josh, yes.
I always forget that those twoare related.
Yeah, I forgot all about that.
That he was in that movie.
Steve (13:25):
That was, those were the pre Barbara Streisand days.
Mike (13:28):
Oh, is that James Brolin's?
Was that his wife
Steve (13:32):
is, I believe, I think they've been together a long
time still.
Oh, I feel bad
Mike (13:35):
for him.
No.
Steve (13:37):
But he's just people who love people and I guess that's
how they got together.
Mike (13:41):
People who love people.
Steve (13:43):
Yeah.
Mike (13:44):
I thought that was from, that movie with, his brother
Santa Claus with, Vince.
Steve (13:50):
Vince Vaughn,
Mike (13:51):
Vince Vaughn, what is it?
something Ted Claus or somethinglike that.
Oh, yeah, the, the Santa Claus.
I love, I love that movie.
Really?
And he, and he does a, a schemein there where, he, he needs
money.
And so you have all the SantaClauss on the corner, trying to
get money, ringing the bell,what have you.
And he's over there and he'sdoing people for the people.
(14:13):
People for the people over here,you gotta, no, don't put your
money in there.
You come over here, you put itin here.
It's people for the people.
We're here to help people.
He just made it up and he's allover.
It was just hilarious.
Steve (14:24):
Did, uh, did Katy Perry have a cameo in that?
Because I'm not sure I'm gettingthe connection.
Mike (14:29):
There is no connection.
You came out, you said somethingabout people, for people with
James Brolin and what's hername?
Steve (14:36):
Yeah, I guess I'm the one that led US astray.
Okay.
Mike (14:39):
All right.
I was trying to find, so I heardthat there was some pushback on
calling these women astronautsafter the flight.
Did you see anything
Steve (14:53):
about that?
I didn't see anything aboutpeople trying to define them,
particularly as astronauts, butI did see something where if, if
they broached, what is itcalled?
The, the, the kmar or,
Mike (15:04):
Yes.
Steve (15:05):
Yeah.
If it's 62 miles off, thesurface of the ocean, and if you
breach that barrier, you'reactually in space.
And by law, I guess you have tobe called an astronaut.
Mike (15:15):
So.
I don't know.
it seems like somebody wanted tofight that and there's more than
just that to, than justbreaching that to be called an
astronaut.
But I think it's too latebecause these billionaires are
already being called astronautsfor the same reason.
Steve (15:30):
So if I were to get shot out of a cannon and I somehow
breached that 62 mile barrier, Icouldn't be an astronaut.
Mike (15:36):
Well, I don't know.
I actually just watched, uh,Armageddon this, uh, past week
and my favorite scene in thereis when, they're all gonna go up
there and pretty much die onasteroid Saving Earth.
And Steve BMI's character knewthe night before they launch, he
goes to a loan shark and borrowsa hundred thousand dollars.
He's like, yeah, sure, I'll paywhatever man.
(15:56):
'cause he thinks he's gonna dieanyway.
And if he doesn't die, everybodyelse is.
So.
He takes the a hundred thousanddollars and goes to a strip club
and just blowing money right andleft, blowing money, right and
left.
And these other guys come up tohim, Hey, you're taking all the
action.
They get in a big fight and theyget arrested by the cops and
Steve Chemis off like, well, heyman, I'm an astronaut.
And then the guy he's fightingwith some thug.
Yeah, man.
(16:17):
We're all astronauts, man.
Just cracks me up.
Yeah man.
We're all astronauts.
Steve (16:25):
You know, there could be something to that too.
Could this be some kind of, Inclandestine cover to be for
these girls to be in trainingfor taking that asteroid
outfit's supposed to pass closeby us here in about 11 years, 12
years.
Mike (16:37):
Oh, could be, could be.
It'd be called, uh, the Katyperil.
Steve (16:43):
I'm feeling much, I'll sleep much better tonight.
Knowing that, or at leastbelieving that could be a
possibility.
Mike (16:49):
Let's see here.
So i'm looking at some publicbacklash.
It faced criticism from OliviaMunn.
I think that was a celebrity Iwas trying to think of,
Steve (16:58):
yeah, the two Olivia's, her and Olivia.
Yeah, there were two of
Mike (17:01):
Olivia Munn and Olivia Wild.
Yeah.
And, and there was,
Steve (17:05):
there was another one, I think she's a current star,
Emily something, but I can'tpronounce that last name.
it's got like seven syllables,but apparently she's big today.
Mike (17:15):
But, and also the US Secretary of Transportation,
Sean Duffy, is the one who wasarguing that they shouldn't be
labeled as astronauts, and hecited some FAA criteria, which
I'm not sure exactly what thatwas.
Steve (17:28):
I can't, uh, I can't say that I wanna argue with that too
much.
I'm okay with it.
Mike (17:33):
Well, I just wonder what it actually is.
To say that you are anastronaut?
Steve (17:40):
Well, I think you would have to have some kind of
certificate hanging on your wallthat you got when you completed
your training at nasa.
Mike (17:50):
Okay.
What?
Okay,
Steve (17:51):
I'm messing.
I don't know.
Mike (17:53):
I, it would make a lot of sense.
I would get that.
But let me ask you this, so.
If you did go through all thattraining at nasa, but you never
actually went into space'causeyou didn't get selected for the
next flight or whatever.
Are you an astronaut?
Steve (18:08):
Well, aren't there astronauts who have never been
to space that have worked forNASA over the years, test pilots
that never got scrubbed or neveractually got to get to space
that are considered astronauts?
Mike (18:18):
I don't, I'm not sure they are.
I bet you, I bet you they're notcalled astronauts.
Maybe what Chuck Yeager
Steve (18:25):
was, he considered an astronaut.
Mike (18:26):
not considered an astronaut.
But he's been shot up, shot atand shot down.
Steve (18:32):
What about that guy that a few years back, uh, actually,
uh, jumped with a parachute fromthe outer orbit.
Is he an astronaut?
Mike (18:39):
DB Cooper?
Steve (18:40):
No, not the, not the guy that robbed the bank.
They actually found this guy.
I don't think they ever found
Mike (18:46):
db.
They never found db.
No.
And he's not an astronaut.
Steve (18:50):
No.
Now this guy, you remember awhile back, he actually jumped
from.
The outer space somewherebeyond, beyond, uh, earth's
orbit or beyond earth's,atmosphere.
And he plunged out.
I don't know.
It's ridiculous.
I can't believe anybody has theguts to do it, but he survived.
I mean, he lived and he, helanded safely,
Mike (19:11):
but he was above that barrier.
Steve (19:13):
I don't know.
Maybe not, but I know it waswhere he jumped from was dark
and it wasn't nighttime when hedid it.
So I remember the, I rememberthe footage of seeing that.
Mike (19:23):
So I think if we looked at astronaut criteria, so there is
an astronaut requirement pagefrom nasa, You have to be a US
citizen.
Apparently the debt, everybodypassed that muster.
Steve (19:38):
so Elon himself cannot be, or is he a US citizen?
I guess he is a US citizen.
Mike (19:42):
he can be whatever he wants to.
He's
Steve (19:43):
not a naturalized citizen.
Yeah.
Oh, is he?
Mike (19:45):
You have to possess a master's degree in a STEM field.
So, Katie's out,
Steve (19:52):
I'm sure that, I'm sure that except for maybe that Aisha
bow, they're all out.
Mike (19:57):
Yeah.
There was one in there that hada, a, a, she was there.
She something in her bio saidsomething about stem.
You have to have two years ofrelated professional experience.
What that mean?
Well, I walked across thedesert.
Steve (20:16):
Well, I'll tell you what, the woman who was rescued from
the International Space Station,she was an astronaut.
Sonny Williams.
Sonny, yeah.
Williams.
Okay.
Mike (20:23):
It says, if you don't have the two years of related
experience, you have to have athousand hours pilot and command
in a jet aircraft.
And you have to be able to passthe NASA long duration flight.
Astronaut physical.
Steve (20:38):
Okay.
Well I was with you until then.
I'll never be an
Mike (20:40):
astronaut.
Yeah.
Well, I don't have a thousandhours probably.
I get past, I could probably getby with a degree in STEM field.
That's I have.
Okay.
Well that counts all of'em out.
Except, you know, maybe theactual astronaut that was there.
Yeah.
Steve (20:58):
A Chabot, or let me ask, are, are the cosmonaut criteria
is tough?
Mike (21:04):
Is what?
Steve (21:05):
Maybe they're cos maybe they're cosmonauts.
Is that, is the cosmonautcriteria not, uh, as bad?
Well, so that's not an astronaut
Mike (21:10):
as a cosmonaut.
Steve (21:11):
Okay.
Mike (21:12):
We'll have to look that up.
Steve (21:13):
Yeah.
Mike (21:14):
I'm guessing you have to be a Russian citizen.
That might be the first one.
Like we had US citizen.
Steve (21:21):
Could be, could be.
But what if you were one of thecountries that's no longer part
of the former Soviet Union?
Is that still, does that stillcount?
Mike (21:28):
You're just a knot then, I think.
Alright, so what, what else?
Anything else we need to talkabout with respect to this one?
The thing I looked up to findout, like public backlash and
those type of things.
There's a couple of things.
So first off, historicalachievement.
This mission was the first allfemale.
(21:49):
Of course we know that, but didyou know that there was an all
female in 1963?
Steve (21:56):
Because there was only one.
Mike (21:58):
It was one, but it was all female.
Steve (22:00):
Yeah, it was all female.
That was the Russian girl?
Mike (22:02):
Yeah, it was a Valentina terra cova?
Steve (22:06):
Yes.
Mike (22:08):
Wow.
I'm surprised you did that.
Steve (22:10):
That's cool.
I did read about that.
Yeah.
Mike (22:12):
Let's see here.
In the cruise defense, and thisis what I was talking about, the
experiments.
So she took all the woman thattook all her beakers and petri
dishes and all that stuff.
Gail King defended the mission,emphasizing the scientific
contributions of fellowpassengers.
Aisha B and is that, how did yousay her name?
(22:32):
It's either
Steve (22:33):
Aisha or Aisha.
I think it's Aisha.
Mike (22:35):
Aisha.
And it might be Bowie, I'm notsure.
And uh, Amanda, I'm gonna sayNuGen, who conducted experiments
during the flight.
We have no idea whatexperiments, but apparently some
sort of minimal gravitationalexperiments.
Steve (22:49):
Yes, minimal.
I'll say so, because again, theflight was 11 minutes,
Mike (22:53):
I don't think that's what they meant.
My memo, but, but yeah, I getwhere you're coming from.
Steve (22:59):
11 minutes.
Mike (23:00):
I think they met.
I think they met, it wasn't zerogravity, there was some gravity
is what they meant by me.
Steve (23:05):
Okay.
You know, I wanna push back tooon the, on the whole thing being
called a mission.
A mission is something arduousand difficult and you're putting
your life on the line and, it'sof a serious nature and it's
going to present some incrediblefact, life-changing kind of
facts.
I don't think that just,bouncing off the planet into
space and back again is reallywhat you'd call a mission.
Mike (23:26):
Well, I think one thing it could have done and stick with
Mihir is it put Ka Perry in somepretty nice outfits for her tour
Steve (23:36):
and it got people talking about her career again too.
Yeah.
I guess there is a, there is amission there because didn't she
have a.
Very shortly after that, she dida show, I forget where it was,
where, she had quite a turnout,I believe, and, uh, before she
started getting pushback.
She's been defending this thingalmost ever since.
Oh, yeah.
But, it did put her in thelimelight again
Mike (23:55):
and she was bringing people up on stage that were
dressed in like futuristiccostumes and what have you.
It's like her thing now.
Steve (24:02):
Yeah.
Yeah.
She's, she's totally embracedthe whole space thing.
I don't know that this was verybeneficial to Gail King.
I don't know if it pulled anyviewers over from Good Morning
America and today over to herCBS Morning Show or not, but, I
guess it's possible.
Mike (24:18):
Well, it can't hurt, I imagine.
Steve (24:21):
But if you're going up against Al Roker, I don't really
see you pulling a lot of viewersaway from the Today Show.
Mike (24:26):
I would've just assumed sent Al Roker into space.
That's a good point.
Steve (24:33):
Well, that would've totally eclipsed everything that
Gail King did.
So I don't see, so there is,
Mike (24:39):
there is one thing I haven't heard anybody say.
'cause I mean, I didn't look forit.
I'm sure somebody had to noticethis.
'cause I noticed it and Inoticed it when I said, I think
I tuned in five seconds beforeit launched and I cracked up.
And the reason I cracked up isbecause all female on this, I'm
doing air quotes againstspaceship.
(25:01):
I'm sorry, the spaceship lookslike a huge penis.
Steve (25:05):
Yeah.
Did you not notice this?
There is.
There is.
There is a phallic symbolismthere.
Yes, there is.
Mike (25:10):
It is.
And the reason I had to bringthat back up'cause as I'm
scrolling through my notes here,there is a picture of the launch
and it's just, it's absolutelyphallic.
I just can't believe that, thatI've tried
Steve (25:21):
to, I've tried to ignore that aspect, but, you weren't
gonna allow that to happen.
Mike (25:26):
How can you skip over that?
I'm not sure It'd be funnier tohave all male on there or all
female on there, but regardless,it definitely found,
Steve (25:38):
I'm looking here now.
Yeah.
I wasn't prepared.
I, I didn't bring any of mypenis jokes, so, so there's
nothing I can do with this.
those are hard.
Yeah.
I, I, I'm, I'm at a loss.
Mike (25:58):
Alright, anything else we can say about Katy Perry and
crew?
And that's what I'm gonna call'em.
Steve (26:03):
Katie Perry and crew, it works for me because she's, she
would be the marquee, themarquee player here.
no, that's, I don't thinkthere's anything left to be
said, but you know what?
Every time I believe it's kindof a, it's kind of a dead story.
Something gets put on, Twitter,which is X now, or TikTok or
something.
Something comes out in socialmedia to, revamp it again and
(26:26):
reboot it.
So we'll see what happens in thecoming weeks.
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