June 5, 2025 • 49 mins
In the third episode of 'The Brothers Howell,' hosts Steve and Mike delve into the current trend of movie remakes and rehashes, lamenting the lack of originality in Hollywood. They discuss personal movie experiences, including Mike's recent viewing of a Led Zeppelin documentary and their mutual disappointment with many modern remakes. They highlight some effective remakes like 'Invasion of the Body Snatchers' and 'Cape Fear,' while criticizing poorly executed ones such as 'The Longest Yard' and 'Footloose.' The episode also touches on the issue of studios prioritizing profitability over creativity, attributing the rise in remakes to financial safety and shareholder expectations. Ultimately, they express a desire for more original content and better-crafted remakes, urging studios to put more effort into storytelling and dialogue.
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Steve (00:21):
Hello everyone, to all you vets and newcomers.
This is episode number three ofthe Brothers Howell.
You've got me, Steve, and mybrother.
Mike.
Say hello, Mike.
I am here.
Hello.
And, I, I think we're gonna talkabout, movies and remakes and
rehashes and how that's goingthese days.
Mike (00:37):
Yeah, and I, I try to come up with clever names for these
episodes I see the otherpodcasters out there.
They wait till the end of thepodcast and they, they like, we
should call it this becausethat's what we talked about and
something clever came up, but Iam gonna call this one movies
these days.
What the fuck?
Steve (00:58):
I, that's that pretty much, that's a great summation
even for a beginning because it,yeah, that's kind of the
attitude that's out there nowwith all the, all the remix.
There's not, there's not verymany original ideas, if any, out
there now, and we're, we seem tobe getting, a, a menu of the
same stuff over and over andover again.
Mike (01:16):
I'm with you 100%.
My latest, well, I, there's alot of movie experiences and,
and we will go into all of this,right?
I stream stuff.
I stream old stuff.
I stream new stuff.
My latest in the theater that Iwent to was becoming Led
Zeppelin, and I thought that wasinteresting.
(01:37):
For one reason, I like LedZeppelin.
I like the history of music.
I'm a big bass player, so Iwanted to go see everything I
could about John Paul Jones andhow that band came together.
And it was interesting from thatstandpoint.
But theater worthy movie, hellno.
It was a Hulu documentary atbest, to produce that in a
(01:59):
theater and to try to getaudiences to go to that format
to go see that we have lost allideas of content in any way,
shape, or form to make thingsinteresting.
Steve (02:15):
Yeah, and that's, that's kinda like the stamp it out,
cookie cutter kind of approachto things.
And a lot of that stems from, ofcourse, being no original ideas.
But a lot of it is also because,you've got studios now who are.
Who are owned by biggercorporations and answer to
shareholders, and they want,something proven something where
the, the cost and the, and thereturn is gonna be built in.
(02:37):
And they look back to the pastand call from the stuff that
made money before and, Hey,let's do that again.
Yeah.
Mike (02:44):
Absolute calculation people were, and, and especially
probably now with ai, probablyeven more analysis around it
than they could have done in thepast.
And here's the model that'sgonna make you money.
What did this movie do at thebox office?
And I think there's a couple ofthings around that, right?
One is, let's capitalize onwhatever that box office thing
(03:05):
made and do a sequel maybe, or Ithink you're gonna come up with
prequels here in a minute and wecan talk about that.
And then the other thing is, youknow what, it's been 20 years,
there's a whole new audiencesegment for that.
We're gonna redo the exact samething in some other format.
Steve (03:23):
Yeah.
This stuff is easy.
It doesn't take much to puttogether, a new movie based on
an old script when you've got itall in place already.
And then there's the ones thatcan be remade.
I.
And, and largely acceptable.
It would be like classicliterature.
I don't know that that'snecessarily a bad thing.
Those get made over and overagain because it's, I agree, I
agree with that.
It's kind of good to update thatstuff for, for the pure
(03:46):
literature sense of it.
But then when you are, I.
You're remaking stuff,especially when it was made
five, 10 years ago.
People have barely forgotten theone that, that, that did exist.
And now they've moved on to anew version of it that frankly
is not as good.
'cause it, you don't get thesame input into it financially,
and you, you don't really getthe same effort, I don't
believe.
Mike (04:06):
I agree.
And I do think, if things aremade that too quickly back to
back, you still have that one,maybe even the same generation,
just older.
But the, the people that saw itto begin with.
Yeah.
And then see the secondrendition of it, you lose that
audience'cause they're kind ofmarried to the first one
already.
I think that's probably a littletoo soon to grab that new
(04:28):
audience Yeah.
That they were trying to grab.
Steve (04:31):
Yeah.
Well there's, there's certainlylogic to, introducing something.
To new generation, particularlyif it's good, something that
they can relate to that wewouldn't because it, it has
their modern day stars, theirmodern day, aspects that we
wouldn't appreciate as much asthey would.
I often wonder why they keepgoing back and doing some of the
same things over and over again.
And some of the low hangingfruit when there is so many
(04:52):
hundreds and hundreds of moviesfrom the, even going back as
early as the thirties, forties,fifties, where there are scripts
there that are plenty goodenough to be made into something
that might not seem like aremake.
It'll seem fresher, but why notuse some of that more unknown
material than keep going back tothe stuff that everybody is
familiar with on a day-to-daybasis.
Mike (05:13):
Is that the risk, is that the problem?
Steve (05:16):
I think doing a remake of anything is less risk than doing
something epic.
Surely nobody wants to take achance on a billion dollar epic
anymore because the risk offailure is too great.
Yeah, so we don't get the epicsanymore.
Mike (05:27):
Is it cheaper though, maybe these days to make what
used to be a big epic, expensivemovie
Steve (05:34):
yeah.
And then you got, I guess CGItoo, which is gonna save you
some money, I suppose.
Yeah.
And then.
Location.
Location, yeah.
Filming and things of thatnature.
But now you're getting into thatterritory where if the epic was
that big to begin with, is thatsomething you really wanna
tackle?
Can you really live up to it?
That's a good point.
Mike (05:52):
So you talked about the CGI thing.
So the movie before becoming LedZeppelin that I saw, I just
don't go to the theater thatmuch anymore.
Right.
But the one I saw was, was itcalled Gladiator two, the sequel
of Gladiator, gladiator
Steve (06:05):
two it was a, a sequel, but it was almost a remake.
Really.
Mike (06:09):
Well, they continued a story with the son, right?
Yeah.
Of, the, of the sister of, Iforgot very forgettable.
Caesar guy, I forgot what hisname was.
I don't remember.
Yeah.
That, that Joaquin played, but,but that was the continuation of
that story.
(06:30):
But very CGI, generated.
Yeah.
Which maybe, maybe these youngeraudiences, that's all they know
and they don't care.
That's okay.
And that's probably
Steve (06:39):
true.
They have no expectations wherethat's concerned because they're
not really.
Most of them are interested ingoing back more than 20 years
anyway, so they don't reallyknow the old stuff.
Mike (06:48):
But it was funny you mentioned it's okay to take the
classic literature and remakeand remake and remake and I, I
don't know if I call thisclassic literature, but one of
the things my wife Tina loves isthe storyline of Pride and
Prejudice.
Mm-hmm.
Right?
And there has been so many.
(07:09):
Remakes of Pride and Prejudice?
Yes, there is.
And she loves every single oneof'em because they come at it
from a different backdrop.
Yeah.
I think one of the latest oneswas done in space.
It was basically pride andprejudice in space.
Yeah.
And, and all the differenthouses had a different starships
(07:30):
and what have you.
The one before that was Prideand prejudice zombies.
Steve (07:34):
Yeah.
Pride and prejudice and honor.
I remember that.
Yeah.
Mike (07:38):
So that there's some campy cleverness around that.
I'll give them that.
Steve (07:42):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well that's kind of an originalidea.
I, yeah, I like that.
I can, I can kind of relate toher on that.
One of my favorite movies of alltime, and it's, it's classic
literature, it's Charles Dickensand that's, A Christmas Carol.
Absolutely.
There are multiple versions ofthat.
I love pretty much every one ofthem.
I mean, the, the creme de lacreme is, is the Alistair Sim
version, the black and whiteversions in 51.
(08:04):
But, but, the Jort c Scotland'sgood.
Even the musical with AlbertFinney was good.
They've all been pretty good.
I, I'll watch'em all everyChristmas season.
Mike (08:11):
You're not gonna give me Henry Winkler and American
Christmas, Carol,
Steve (08:14):
I've got that one.
I didn't know where to bringthat up or I've got that on DVD
now.
If, if you had to pick out aworst.
That would be the one.
It was the
Mike (08:23):
worst, but I love him.
Steve (08:24):
It's still watchable.
I'll watch it.
I love Henry Winkler.
Mike (08:27):
He is probably one of the nicest actors I've ever, ever,
seen, interviewed, and donedifferent things, I love him.
I think I watched it like fiveyears ago.
It was not easy to find and Ifound it and streamed it and I'm
like, wow, this is absolutelyterrible.
Steve (08:43):
Yeah, that's, that's, that's pretty much me right down
the line too.
I liked it when we were younger.
I.
I watched it a second time afterI found, I actually found the,
the Blu-ray, in, in a thriftstore and purchased it.
And I watched it and, eh, yeah.
It left a lot to be desired.
Yeah.
And, but it's hard to go wrong.
I mean, I love anything CharlesDickens anyway, and at Christmas
(09:04):
Carol, in particularly, it's thegreatest redemption story ever
written.
And it, it's, it's just hard notto like, it
Mike (09:10):
It is so funny that you just said redemption story, And
I knew we were gonna talk aboutmovies, and I know, people that
have probably listened to ourfirst two podcasts, they don't
have a great feel for where wego.
But the idea is that you, Iwonder.
Yeah, we we're not in your,we're not in your mindset yet,
(09:30):
but we talk about a little bitof absurdities, right.
And personal fronts, and we tryto turn stuff into that.
Not everything works out forthat, but we do.
So I wanted to start looking howmany stories can possibly be
told.
Okay.
Because I mean, how many moviesdo we have to put out every year
(09:51):
for people to keep their jobs,generate business, have the
studio stay up, all that type ofstuff.
Given the fact, and I think it'sa fact there, I'm sure it's, I'm
sure it's refutable, that theremight be only seven basic plots
in the entire world.
Steve (10:08):
Mm-hmm.
And you've ma mapped'em all out.
Mike (10:14):
I can absolutely tell you I did nothing, but I can look up
stuff and I can research things.
Steve (10:22):
Well, there's, there's a lot, lot to be said for that.
Not to give excuses for takingthe easy route, but, a lot of it
is done outta necessity'causethere's really only so many
stories.
There's a saying, I think, Ithink it comes from being, band
around by comedians that there.
There are no new jokes, just newapplications to old ones.
And I think you can apply thatto just about everything,
(10:44):
including music, including,movies and entertainment and,
and just the written word.
Mike (10:49):
I absolutely agree with that.
In fact, I was listeningliterally to a podcast today.
I'm not trying to advertiseother people's podcasts on air,
but there's many that I listento that I like, oh, they'll help
us.
And one of my, and one of myfavorite guys, he said, and I
told a joke last week.
It wasn't my joke.
And we got a lot of people, thatwas the funniest thing I ever
heard.
And I had to pull over the sideof the road.
(11:10):
I was laughing so hard.
And he's like, that wasn't myjoke.
I didn't even try to play it asmy joke.
Just part of the story that Iwas telling.
And it was an old Henny Youngmanjoke, right
Steve (11:23):
boy.
Or my own car.
Mike (11:24):
Take my wife please.
Right?
Yeah.
The king in a one liners.
My wife asked me, take mesomeplace I've been before.
I took her to the kitchen.
Steve (11:38):
Some of the old stuff, it all comes back around sooner or
later, but,
Mike (11:42):
and that's old school, talking about wife and what have
you.
But you, like, like you said,you could take that joke and
apply it to any new situation.
Steve (11:49):
Yeah, yeah.
So yeah, that's, that almost hasto be done because it's pretty
much, it pretty much has allbeen done.
I think where, I, I think wherethe problem is, is the frequency
you do it.
And how many times you go backto the same material when
there's others to choose from.
Yeah.
Agree.
And, and which ones should just be left the hell
alone?
Because you're not going to beable to supplant it, let alone
(12:11):
equal it, just leave it alonethe Exorcist, you're not gonna
remake that, you're not gonnaremake the the 10 Commandments
or Apocalypse Now, citizen Kane,it's a wonderful life Key Largo,
and the list goes on and on onsome of those things.
You just cannot remake thosebecause you're, you can't, you,
you got a lot of balls to tryit, but you're a fool to try it
too.
Mike (12:32):
I agree with that.
The one that really, kind ofhits home with me is Apocalypse
Now.
Yeah.
So.
APOs Nail, I think is theabsolute quintessential story of
one person in their quest withinthe Vietnam War, right?
Yeah.
Steve (12:49):
Yeah.
Mike (12:49):
And if you try to redo that and call it Apocalypse
Nail, you will fail.
Steve (12:55):
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Mike (12:56):
And, and quite frankly, I think if you try to run parallel
with it, with that same kind of,one person stories and that
quest within that.
You'll probably fail.
And that, that actually camefrom, I think it was the book
Hearted Darkness, right?
Yeah.
Steve (13:10):
Joseph Conrad.
Yeah.
Classically, which wasn't
Mike (13:12):
Vietnam and it was about going down to Congo and Africa,
I think.
Yeah.
Right.
Mm-hmm.
But, but it was told beautifullyand it was done very well.
Yeah.
So you don't challenge that.
But I do like Vietnam movies asa whole.
I wanna see more of'em and, andnot, I don't wanna see more
made, but I like looking, I likewatching them.
Steve (13:29):
Yeah, I do too.
I do too.
Especially if they're well done.
Especially some of'em are prettypoor.
But, yeah, if you're gonna, ifyou're willing to take the risk
and put the money into it, butthen that gets us right back to
where we were before.
Mike (13:38):
Yeah.
It could, it could be a major
Steve (13:40):
financial failure.
Mike (13:41):
So a great take.
IWI wouldn't say is a take onApocalypse Now necessarily, but
What was a Tropic Thunder?
Did you see that?
Steve (13:49):
I did.
It's been a while.
Yeah.
Okay.
Mike (13:51):
So the comedy version, without being too.
Campy or two slapstick about,we're not gonna do a movie about
apo.
We're not gonna do ApocalypseNail movie in the first person.
And the challenges thereof.
Mm-hmm.
We're gonna do a satire movie ofmaking a movie that that is
(14:15):
about that guy in his personaljourney.
I thought that was prettyclever.
Steve (14:21):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was.
I dug that.
Mike (14:24):
So you say what you want about the actors in that.
I, I thought that was a clevertake on that and I thought that
was one.
We, we can put that on thehistorical movie shelf and it's
valid and it's okay.
Steve (14:35):
Yeah.
Mike (14:36):
I wanted to get back to these plots.
Okay.
The seven.
That I understand.
I'm not here to do credits for,others and what have you.
So I don't want to go into thatbecause I'm not trying to be a
trustworthy resource ofknowledge here, but this is not
me saying this.
Okay.
So I've done some researcharound this where I hear that
(14:57):
there's basically, and it'sarguable, I'm sure, seven plots
in every story you ever tell.
Every story it's ever been told,every movie it's ever been made
has, doesn't have to stay tothese, but there's no way to get
out of it.
It's just what they are.
And one was a overcoming themonster.
(15:20):
There's some called monster.
Whatever you want.
Is it an entity?
Is it a force?
Is it something else?
But you gotta overcome it.
The other is rags to riches.
So again, you could almost putthat in Overcoming a monster.
What's the monster?
Well, I'm in rags, right?
The quest, I'm on a journey Igotta go discover.
(15:44):
There is a voyage, the otherone's a voyage that I go on and
then I return from it.
And what's changed since I gotback comedy?
That seems pretty general.
But you know, you could takealmost any, any plot we talk
about and turn it into a comedy.
Sure.
There's a tragedy, I think.
Yeah.
That's kind of weak.
(16:05):
That's kind of a weak one.
But, comedy and tragedy, youcould put anything under that.
And then there's a rebirth.
I, I rediscovered myself and nowI'm a new person.
Steve (16:15):
You talk about the rags to richest thing, as a matter of
fact.
I came across this little tidbitabout, Brewsters Millions has
been remade eight or nine times.
I
Mike (16:23):
love that fricking movie
Steve (16:24):
now, the 85 version with, Pryor and, wild.
Mike (16:30):
No, it was prior and it was, candy.
Oh, John Candy.
Yeah.
Steve (16:34):
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's actually very good.
I, I like that at that time.
And, and for a long time afterthat, I thought that was an
original movie, but that, thatwas like the seventh or eighth
version of that movie to bemade.
I did not
Mike (16:44):
know
Steve (16:45):
that.
Yeah.
And it goes all the way back to,the teens, I think was the first
one.
Mike (16:49):
That's a, so that's a great point.
Right?
So other people that probablyknew that story and watched it
are thinking we're idiots,right?
Mm-hmm.
Because we loved Richard Pryor'sversion.
Yeah, that's a great point ofthat.
So first, I got points aroundthat, but I gotta talk about
Bruce's Millions, one of my, Ithink it's one of the funniest
movies
Steve (17:08):
ever.
It is a funny movie.
I love it.
Mike (17:11):
It's, I mean, Richard Pryor, back when he was still
acting and was on point when hewas doing the other movies.
Like you said gene Wilder.
Gene Wilder.
Yes.
Yeah.
And those were great too.
Stir crazy, all those awesome.
That was his prime and hischaracter in Brewster's Millions
is just fricking awesome.
(17:33):
And the plot, I didn't know,again, I'm sure it meets Rags
are riches.
Yeah.
But I didn't know it was aredone, remade movie, but I
absolutely love that movie.
Yeah.
And that's, that's one I willbuy.
And Restream.
Oh, I, once a year.
I would, I would
Steve (17:46):
definitely, I would definitely, I'm a, I'm a more of
a physical collector than youare, but if I ever see that,
that Blueray sitting out therein the wild somewhere, I'll pick
it up.
Mike (17:54):
Well, you're a classic collector.
I just buy stuff forentertainment, so I have a, I
have an online stream thing thatI own.
I actually do think I own thatmovie.
Yeah.
Like in Amazon.
Steve (18:02):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And my favorite thing about thatmovie is, is of course mailing
the, the rare stamp, the rareairmail stamp course.
That price always the one
Mike (18:12):
case smarter than we thought he was.
Right?
Like, what was it, like a$2million stamp?
Steve (18:20):
That was freaking awesome.
Went right back to the source.
But you know, there are also in,I don't know about how recent
history, but in our recenthistory, like going back 30
years or so, there have beensome really good remakes and in
some cases where the remake isbetter than the original.
Some of that, like, I don't, doyou remember Invasion of the
Body Snatchers?
Did you ever see the original,the remake?
I never,
Mike (18:39):
well, the only one I know is the one with, Donald Silver
one.
Yeah.
Donald Silver one.
Yeah.
Steve (18:44):
Okay.
That was, that was the remake.
Mike (18:46):
Okay.
Steve (18:47):
The original was the Kevin McCarthy, black and white
version in 55 or 56, which wasalso great.
The original was great, but theremake was better.
It was very good.
Like, the Haunting,
Mike (18:57):
so before, before you go on.
Okay.
So that one, I think.
I was relatively young.
My preteens maybe.
Yeah.
Maybe just teens.
Yeah.
And I think you took me to thatmovie.
Steve (19:07):
Yeah.
Did, did we go with LyleWoodard?
Maybe.
Do you remember Lyle?
I think so.
Yes.
I think it back.
Mike (19:11):
I think it was, yes.
I think it was the
Steve (19:13):
three of us.
We went to Bradley Theater tosee that.
Yep.
Where all would eventually workwhen I was in high school.
And then there's Dawn of theDead, George Romero's second.
Zombie movie.
Okay.
He gets two categories herebecause his second zombie movie,
Dawn of the Dead, you rememberwe couldn't go see that one
night because it was actuallygiven an X rating.
And we went with Dad, Iremember, wouldn't let us in.
(19:33):
And I
Mike (19:33):
remember something about that having an X rating.
Steve (19:36):
Yeah.
And that, that one was verygood.
Done on a real low budget.
Like all George Romero filmsare.
But the remake that came in thenineties also real good.
No, no big cast.
I think the biggest name inthere was Ving.
Rames, but it was great.
So sometimes the second one isbetter.
Mike (19:50):
Which one was the one you that was X-rated?
Was that the black and whiteone?
Steve (19:55):
No, that was the, that was the color one Dawn of the
dead.
I.
It came out with an X rating.
Mike (19:59):
Okay.
So the, the first one was Nightof the Living.
Dead
Steve (20:03):
Night of the Living Dead.
And that's where another alsofits one of our categories.
The first one, the black andwhite Classic.
They actually re remade thatmovie in color Frame by frame.
Absolutely the same.
Why?
Mike (20:15):
That's a good point.
And it was terrible.
I think Night of the LivingDead.
I remember seeing it.
Is it, did we see that thedrive-in.
Steve (20:24):
Maybe,
Mike (20:24):
maybe may I don't know.
But it scared me for years,
Steve (20:27):
was, yeah, nothing he did was fantastic.
Mike (20:29):
It, it was done really, really well.
Steve (20:31):
And, and George Romero did everything really cheap and
he did it in his immediatebackyard in the Pennsylvania,
Pittsburgh area.
And he used actors from rightaround the area, local.
Some of'em didn't even haveacting experience in most of his
stuff.
Well, you're a
Mike (20:42):
zombie, so
Steve (20:43):
Yeah, you're a zombie.
What
Mike (20:45):
do you need to do?
Yep,
Steve (20:47):
that's exactly right.
And then you have stuff like,Cape Fear Original, fantastic
remake.
Even better,
Mike (20:54):
I will say, I knew there was an original when I watched
the one that I watched withRobert Dero.
Right.
The Robert De Niro one was very,very good.
Steve (21:04):
Yeah.
Outstanding.
He and Nick.
No, I can't say
Mike (21:06):
I'm a huge Robert De Niro fan, but, well, I used to be,
his acting is good.
And that was a great movie.
Steve (21:13):
His acting's very good.
I just wish he stopped going forthe money and stopped, taking
every script that was offeredhim.
Yeah.
So the first half of his careerhe was very selective and did,
did very noteworthy things.
Mike (21:25):
So before I forget, you have more examples of this?
Steve (21:28):
A couple more like, desperate Hours.
The original with Bogart.
Very good.
The remake with Mickey Rourke.
Fantastic.
Mike (21:35):
I don't know that, I don't know that you ought to check
that
Steve (21:38):
out because especially the remake is very, very good.
Anthony Hopkins and Mimi Rogersand Shawnee Smith.
Mike (21:43):
I'm always looking for content, so I will do that.
Steve (21:45):
Yeah.
That's a great one.
And then, I don't know about theDay of the Earth stood still.
The original was classic.
Fantastic.
The remake with Keanu Reeves.
Mike (21:53):
I'm sorry.
Both of those, I don't like,
Steve (21:56):
you don't like the original?
Mike (21:58):
No, not really.
Okay.
I mean, I like, I like theconcept of it, and I like the, I
liked the storyline, I didn'tthink it was really done that
well.
Steve (22:08):
Yeah, either.
I, I'm a sucker for old classicblack and white movies anyway.
Like I, Eileen, my wife will notwatch anything black and white,
neither will my daughter.
Mike (22:18):
I think if somebody came to me and said, let's do a movie
or a story, whatever, and startwith a story, make it a movie
that said, aliens are comingdown and telling us to fricking
figure our shit out, or they'regonna destroy us.
Mm-hmm.
I could write a better storythan that movie.
(22:39):
Under that
Steve (22:40):
guys maybe.
Yeah.
Mike (22:43):
Yeah.
I, I just didn't like either of'em.
So I was gonna ask you, thething,
Steve (22:48):
I was just coming to that one.
Yeah.
Okay, cool.
Mike (22:50):
We're on the same page
Steve (22:52):
again.
The original Fantastic.
The remake much better.
Great
Mike (22:57):
story.
Great storyline.
The original.
But it was, the special effectsare absolutely horrible.
Steve (23:04):
Yeah,
Mike (23:04):
right.
Yeah.
It's like a ve we're gettingattacked by vegetables or
something.
It was, it was,
Steve (23:08):
It was, it was the, the gun smoke guy, the Marshall
Dylan was the monster.
Mike (23:13):
Oh, was he?
I never knew that.
Steve (23:14):
Yeah.
Mike (23:15):
That's hilarious know.
But, but I mean, Kurt Russell islike the main character in the
next one.
And, when they did those specialeffects for that movie at the
time it came out.
Yeah.
The holy, I think they stillhold well now
Steve (23:26):
and talking about going, dipping back into the, dipping
back into the past.
I'm hearing there's another onecoming next year and Kurt
Russell's in it,
Mike (23:34):
the thing,
Steve (23:35):
yeah.
Mike (23:36):
So it's gonna be not a remake, but like, something that
ties into the original.
Steve (23:41):
Yeah, I, I'm not sure exactly how it works, but it is,
it.
I mean, it gives you what littleI know about it.
It left me with the idea thatsomehow Kurt Russell survived
that and now he's going back asan older man.
Mike (23:51):
Well, he never, you never saw him die?
Steve (23:55):
No, those two.
He and, he, Keith.
David.
Mike (23:57):
Well, and they were like, who's gonna kill?
Who thinks it's gonna turn thething?
Yeah, yeah.
Right.
Steve (24:03):
Waiting for all the, waiting for everything to get
cold and all the fires comingout.
Okay.
Mike (24:06):
Is that the list you got any others?
Like, because I got some,
Steve (24:09):
we did speak of Shawnee Smith, and here's another one.
The original blob with SteveMcQueen and then the remake with
Shawnee Smith and Kevin Dillon,the Blob.
I don't know.
I don't know the remake.
You don't know the remake?
It's, it's actually, if you likeShawnee Smith and you like
either one of the Dillons,you'll probably like, like that
too.
I mean, it's, it's cheap.
It's cheap entertainment, butit's good.
Cream de la creme of, of drivingmovie fodder for that period of
(24:31):
time.
Mike (24:32):
Abso, it was the original fonzi jumping over the shark.
It was, you gotta watch it.
Yeah.
Steve (24:39):
But did you notice the theme throughout all of that?
It was almost everything that webrought up that I brought up
individually was almost allhorror or science fiction.
And those two genres get remadeover and over again.
And there's big money in thatbecause a lot of times it is
better than the original'causeyou can do more with
Mike (24:55):
it'cause of the effects and and stuff.
Yeah.
That's a good, that's a reallygood point.
So that does bring me to, sofirst I do have a tangent and,
and then I'll try to tie it backinto what you were saying with,
w the only good remakes, kind ofwhat you said is, you can do
horrors more easily, right?
Steve (25:14):
Yeah.
Mike (25:14):
But my tangent is this.
So I had time last night, like Igot some time to fill and I
wanna watch something.
What should I watch?
We mentioned this on our lastpodcast and I looked it up and I
watched it.
Capor one.
Steve (25:30):
Did you really?
I did.
I rewatched it again, I think.
Oh, it's probably been five orsix years ago.
Mike (25:37):
I will tell you I was thoroughly entertained.
Steve (25:41):
Yeah, I was too.
It
Mike (25:42):
really was.
And I think that, you know why,I think it still holds up as a
story.
It's a great story, right?
Yeah.
We're fak it.
We're, we're faking not, wedidn't fake everything before,
but for this particular mission,and we need faith from the
government that, we can pull offa mission to Mars and we're
scared that we really can't doit, so we're gonna fake it,
(26:03):
right?
Like, great, great storyline,right?
Mm-hmm.
And they didn't go crazy withthe special effects of where
things look fake.
Steve (26:11):
Yeah.
Mike (26:12):
Yeah.
So, so I think that's what makesit hold up to where you can
watch it and not feel like thisis stupid.
And I will tell you, ElliotGould was great in it.
Yeah.
And I forgot how much I like himas an actor.
Steve (26:27):
Yeah.
He, he, well, at that time, atthat time, he was at his, the
peak of his powers.
And he was just about right upthere.
The, the one, two or third,third guy as far as leading men
in Hollywood goes for a shortperiod of time there.
And he was kind of big.
And most of that was coming offthe success of mash.
Mike (26:43):
Oh, okay.
Sure.
From the movie.
Yeah.
So, oh, that goes back toanother one.
You just tied back intosomething we talked about
earlier with the remakes andwhat have you.
We haven't really broached thisone, Mash the movie mm-hmm.
Versus Mash the show.
Mm-hmm.
Great successful movie.
We turned into a show.
I grew up on the show.
(27:05):
Went back and watched the movie.
Yeah.
Right.
I will tell you that thegeneration above me thinks the
movie is King.
Steve (27:14):
Well, I think they're both great, but they're not
really compar comparative otherthan the fact that that, Gary
Bergoff was both versions.
They really didn't have a wholelot comedy.
Yeah.
He's, yeah, they're both, to me,they're both standalone.
It was great television and,maybe at least one of the top
five television shows ever atleast as far as comedies go.
But the movie was, the movie wasmeant to be a standalone thing
(27:35):
in the beginning.
And it, sure it still holds uptoday.
Every time I, I see it scrollingthrough, I, I usually stop on
it.
It's very good.
Mike (27:42):
And it's funny, so my wife, who doesn't watch a lot of
tv, and she's younger than me.
Her go-to, like, just put it onand I'll do stuff.
Is Mash
Steve (27:54):
the TV show?
Mike (27:55):
Yeah.
Steve (27:56):
Yeah.
That's, it's great comforttelevision.
I did that for years.
Yeah.
It used to always be my go-to.
We, in one of the early shows,we were talking about late night
TV and waiting for Johnny Carsonto come one.
I'd be on channel five watchingreruns of, of mash and the Odd
Couple, just over and over againnight after night, year after
year.
Mike (28:13):
That's interesting to say.
Odd couple'cause we, I don'twant to get too much into that.
Odd couple did not comfort me.
There's something about thatshow that I did not relate to
and maybe it's'cause I missed itby a couple years of these guys.
I didn't understand.
Steve (28:26):
Yeah.
Well in that case too, I likedthe TV show, but the movie was
much better.
The movie was fantastic.
Mike (28:31):
I'm sure that generation above me would say the same
thing.
Steve (28:33):
Yeah.
Yeah, the movie really was good.
I
Mike (28:35):
do like, I like, I like Jack Klugman.
I thought he was, I thought hewas.
They did,
Steve (28:39):
they did great casting, both versions.
'cause they, they nailed it onboth accounts, I think.
Mike (28:43):
Yep.
Totally agree.
Steve (28:44):
Now the later version with, Matthew Perry, that TV
show, eh, I don't if you everwatched that.
I've never saw.
Yeah.
Not, not too great.
Matthew Perry was, CL wasKligman's role.
He was Oscar.
Mike (28:54):
So I did want to bring up a couple things.
I remember when I was in mytwenties, so not that long ago.
Steve (29:05):
Yeah, me either.
Mike (29:06):
Yeah, I was looking for some content to watch and, I
think we had the sameconversation I had with some
friends then all the new moviesthe plots are just redone if you
really want to see good acting,you need to watch this movie.
And I went and watched it, andit was called Sleuth.
Steve (29:30):
That's a Donald Carland movie, right?
Is that Donald Sutherland?
Mike (29:34):
It is Michael Kane.
Steve (29:36):
Michael Kane.
Okay.
Gotcha.
Mike (29:38):
Mm-hmm.
And, I'll expand on this in aminute so our listeners
understand.
The reason they suggested isit's all about acting.
Mm-hmm.
It has nothing to do withspecial facts, backdrops,
anything.
It's in one room, the entiremovie it is two people acting
back and forth.
I won't, bore you with the plot,but they're basically trying to
(29:59):
accuse each other of differentthings and trying to figure out
this and that.
And who did what
Steve (30:03):
is that the one with Chris with, Superman.
What was his name?
Mike (30:07):
It was, no, this is pretty old.
Right?
Okay, so this is 72.
It's with Lawrence Olivier andMichael Kane.
Okay.
Well,
Steve (30:14):
yeah, if you put Olivier in it, of course it's gonna be a
top-notch acting movie.
Mike (30:17):
Well, no, but I mean that's what was cool about.
I didn't think I would like it.
What do you mean it's one real,I, I want some action.
I want no explosions.
I don't get it.
Why would I watch that?
And I watched it and I was like,that's what it's about.
Yeah.
And then.
I looked up other movies thatwere like that and I didn't
realize how many were so, somuch about just the acting and
(30:41):
not the backdrops, any specialeffects.
And one of the top ones thatcomes up is 12 Angry Men.
Steve (30:47):
Yes.
And they made the mistake ofremaking that movie too.
Mike (30:52):
So I agree with that.
'cause that was originally, wasit a play originally?
Steve (30:58):
I, I would only be guessing that.
Yeah.
I'm not sure.
Mike (31:00):
I'm not sure.
But I, we actually did it as aplay in my English class in high
school.
Really?
And even, the acting as we didit, it kind of chilled me a
little bit.
That is a great story.
Steve (31:13):
Yeah.
And I is a great story.
My point
Mike (31:14):
is, we've gotten away from that.
Steve (31:16):
Yes.
And, I am not.
In agreement with the rest of myhousehold.
Nobody agrees with me on this.
I would much rather watchsomething dialogue driven than
have any kind of action orexplosions in it.
I get mesmerized by the writtenword and by the spoken word.
And when the dialogue is good,I'm totally engrossed.
The problem is with that whenI'm watching that, everybody
(31:36):
wants to talk to me.
This is all about the dialogue.
I can't talk to you and watchthis too.
Mike (31:41):
Oh my God.
It it's unbelievable.
It's unbelievable.
Yeah.
This is why men make man caveswith their tv.
I mean, I'm dead serious.
I go through content prettyquickly.
I don't like to waste it.
Yeah.
If something's good, right?
Tina or my, my kids, Julie orTony will come talk to me.
(32:03):
I'm like, pause, okay.
Yep, yep, yep.
Well, why are you pausing it?
Now I feel like I have to hurry.
You're not paying attention tome.
You're just waiting to get backto it.
That's'cause I am.
And I mean, I am waiting to getback to it, but I can't have you
talk over it'cause I'm justgonna miss it and I'll have to
rewind it.
Steve (32:21):
Yeah.
I don't know what it is.
I, you would think that it wouldbe just common sense, but
sometimes I feel like I'm theonly one that gets though, if
you keep talking to me and Imiss this 30 seconds, I've just
lost the whole movie.
Mike (32:32):
Exactly.
And so when we watch stufftogether, it's even worse.
So Tina and I gonna watchsomething together.
Right?
Let's watch it together.
That's fun.
If anybody's out there that isstreaming new stuff right now,
there's a series that I reallylove and it's called Clarkson's
Farm.
And he's the guy from, I usedthe English guy that does all
the cars and stuff.
(32:52):
Forgot the name.
I forgot the name of that one,but besides that, that'll be one
that Tina and I'll watchtogether.
But her watching is, I'm gonnaput it on and I'm gonna like
stuff on Facebook.
I'm gonna respond to these 50text messages.
I just got, I'm watching.
Because it's good content.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then she'll talk to me aboutthe, about the, the text message
(33:15):
you just got and I'm like, I'mglad to talk to you, but I'm
rewinding it because I didn'thear that.
Steve (33:23):
Yeah.
But then you're always theculprit, even though what you're
saying, oh,
Mike (33:27):
oh.
When I rewind something.
Things get outta whack in myhousehold.
Yeah,
Steve (33:31):
yeah, yeah.
Mike (33:33):
So we're getting off topic a little bit.
Yeah, we are.
We're,
Steve (33:35):
Getting back to, to the remake thing a little bit, I
think we haven't really touchedon stuff that has been remade
and absolutely should not havebeen remade.
I got a
couple
You, well, yeah.
You and I talked about one.
What was the one we talked aboutjust the other day?
Mike (33:48):
Longest yard.
Steve (33:50):
The longest yard, yes.
First and foremost, worst
Mike (33:53):
remake I've ever seen in my entire life.
It was terrible.
Steve (33:55):
And, and why, why Burt Reynolds even Rea associated
himself with that, I'll neverknow.
But, first and foremost, who onthis earth that has any
knowledge of sports whatsoever,is ever going to accept Adam
Sandler as a star NFLquarterback?
Mike (34:12):
No one that,
Steve (34:13):
no one I've ever met.
Mike (34:15):
Yeah.
Steve (34:15):
No
Mike (34:15):
one I've ever, I've ever met or would ever consider has a
real opinion to me.
Yeah,
Steve (34:21):
that's, that's a reason not to watch that movie right
outta the gate.
There's no reason to evenentertain it.
Give it
Mike (34:25):
to him.
Don't, don't get me wrong, I'mnot gonna hate on Adam Sandler.
He, he's made people's careersand I think people do like him.
He's, that role was the wrongrole.
He should not have been in it.
And quite frankly, him doing itand watching that movie,'cause I
love Longest Yard, one of myfavorite movies ever.
Yeah, it's great.
And it, it wasn't the best movieever, me, but I just love it.
Yeah.
And he, he phoned that in, whodid Absolutely phoned it.
(34:49):
Adam
Steve (34:50):
did.
Adam Sandler.
Yeah.
Yes.
So what was the point in it tobegin with?
Was it, was it a contractualcommitment or just He just, I
think himself.
Mike (34:58):
Absolutely contractual commitment.
I don't know the exact thingsaround that one, but if you look
at all the new stuff he does onNetflix, that's contractual
commitment.
I, I don't know what thecommitment was, but it's to say
like a EOS six things, yeah.
So that's why you see it keep
Steve (35:13):
a couple, kind of the same reason John Lunan did the
rock and roll album for CapitalRecords, capital and Apple
Records.
That was just a album of coverof old fifties tunes.
And basically he said, okay, youwant my obligation here it is.
He just kind of mailed that intoo,
Mike (35:28):
It wasn't even as good as Freedom Rock.
Steve (35:30):
Oh no, no, nothing.
Nothing's played law.
But in spite of the fact that henailed that in and that was just
him kind of thumbing his noseat, at the record company, his
version of Stand By Me is stillthe greatest I've ever heard.
Better than Benny King, guy.
Anybody.
Mike (35:43):
Okay.
That's cool.
Well, okay.
I'm gonna thumb my nose at youand I'm better than anybody
that's ever done it.
So Good.
Steve (35:51):
But there, there are other examples.
Getting back again, we we'rereally getting off track now,
but I
Mike (35:55):
like getting off track.
Steve (35:56):
It's funny.
Yeah.
It's not a bad thing.
Content is content, right?
As long as, long as somebody'slistening, I'm sure there's
somebody out there that like,
Mike (36:03):
we had three, we three or four people over 10 listeners
just, just stopped.
Well, we're on
Steve (36:07):
episode three.
I would think you have at leastfour by now.
I hope they're all family, I'msure, but at least we have them.
You remember the movie FrightNight?
Mike (36:18):
What do I know about Fright aid?
I think I've seen that,
Steve (36:21):
that was kind of a campy tongue in cheek comedy.
I, I remember, and RoddyMcDowell was in it.
He was the, he was the latenight movie host that got canned
and a real vampire moved in nextto the kid, and, and he, nobody
would believe him.
God, you remember that one?
Mike (36:34):
I, I know I've seen it.
It was a long time ago.
Steve (36:37):
Well, it, it was great.
The original was great.
You should, you should reengagewith that.
I
Mike (36:40):
think you told me that.
And I, and I hadn't gone back.
Steve (36:43):
They did a remake of that and it, and, Colin Farrell, I
believe was the guy who playedthe, the kid part, I think.
And it was terrible.
How
Mike (36:51):
long ago was that?
Steve (36:51):
A kid?
That was 10 years ago maybe.
And do
Mike (36:55):
it for Colin 10 years ago.
Steve (36:56):
Mm-hmm.
Maybe it wasn't Colin Farrell.
Oh, it might be 20 years ago hedid that.
It might it.
Okay.
20 years ago,
Mike (37:02):
bye.
10 years ago now.
Steve (37:04):
Yeah, maybe he was older than that.
Tom goes by so fast for me now.
I'm not sure.
But yeah, the remake wasterrible.
The Fog Steve, the classic, JohnCarpenter movie with Jamie Lee.
Okay.
Mike (37:15):
If you put, Adrian Barbo in any movie, I'm watching it.
Steve (37:18):
You're watching it.
And that was probably the, atleast for me personally, I think
that was, that was the top ofher career.
She was very good in that, and,and she was, I.
Mike (37:28):
I think that's when you did work at the theater.
I got in free and watched thatmovie.
Steve (37:32):
Could be, yeah.
As a matter of the fog did playwhile I was there, but they
remade that movie too with the,with the guy.
I think his name is Tom, TomWest or something like that.
The guy who was the star ofSmallville played the young
Superman.
And it was, I know of,
Mike (37:47):
I know of it.
I never watched it.
Steve (37:48):
Yeah.
I watched, I watched the wholeseries on DVD and it, it, and
the series was okay.
It was filler stuff.
It was okay, and this guy isokay too, but that remake was
terrible.
The, remake of Footloose thatnever should have been done
Mike (38:02):
footloose.
So I'd be curious of, like, atthis point, I'm sure there are
no young listeners listening tous in any way, shape, or form.
I hope you would because, wehave a good perspective on all
of it.
But, I'd be curious if.
Younger listeners know anythingabout the original Footloose.
'cause I thought that was agreat movie.
Steve (38:22):
It was a very good movie and I kind of tried to resist it
when it was originally outbecause it wasn't, I did too.
I didn't, it wasn't, it wasn't
Mike (38:30):
cool
Steve (38:31):
For our age being guys, movies like Footloose and
Saturday Night Fever were notcool.
You don't go to that.
And they're both great movies.
Mike (38:38):
Totally agree.
Totally agree.
Steve (38:42):
If you do go to it, you don't tell anybody.
And if you listen to the B Gees,you don't tell anybody that
either, but it turned up begreat.
Mike (38:47):
Say what?
What'd you do this weekend?
You don't say, I went toFootloose.
Yeah,
Steve (38:52):
that's right.
And if you did go to Footloose,you better have had a date.
Mike (38:56):
Actually, ah man, my girlfriend made me go to this
movie.
I don't even remember what it'scalled.
Steve (39:01):
Here, here's one that's a little bit more obscure.
You may remember it I'm sure notmany people will, but Escape to
Witch Mountain, that was a liveaction Disney movie.
Oh my God.
Was that, was that the, theFamily Affair kid?
No, it was the, it was theyoung, oh, Kyle Richards, the
girl was Kyle Rich, KyleRichards.
No, I,
Mike (39:21):
I can picture the girl, I had no idea
Steve (39:23):
what her and Eddie played.
The guy who had the camper andgot him back.
Green Acres, man, We saw thatmovie when we went to visit
friends in Richmond and we werethere for the weekend over
Easter and we all went to themovies together.
Mike (39:33):
But why are you bringing this up?
You're dating us.
We've lost I know.
Hundred 40 years
Steve (39:39):
old now.
I, that movie.
I still do.
They made a, they did a remakeof that with the Rock, and it
was garbage.
Hold on.
Mike (39:46):
Wait a
Steve (39:46):
minute.
Mike (39:47):
I did not know that.
Yeah, they made, they remadeescape the witch mountain.
Yeah.
Steve (39:54):
Well, not really, because that kinda goes back to the
point I made before where it's,it's relatively, little known
material that could be somethingfantastic doing it today, but
they didn't do a good job.
It made remake,
Mike (40:05):
but it drives me bananas soup.
That's exactly what thisepisode's about.
Can't you do somethinginteresting and original?
I mean, come on that.
Are we gonna see Candle Shoe?
Is that coming out next year?
Steve (40:20):
I, I might give that a shot if it did.
I like the original
Mike (40:24):
and that is the guy from Family Fair, I think, isn't it?
Steve (40:28):
That was Jody Foster.
Mike (40:29):
No.
And, No.
Jody Foster was, yeah, you'reright.
That was, that was, that wascandle shoot.
Yep.
Maybe I'm thinking of Sigmund ina sea monsters zone.
Steve (40:40):
Now that gets us in, now we're into the Disney realm.
And, and you've talked aboutDisney before and,
Mike (40:46):
I have some things about Disney.
Steve (40:47):
Yeah, I think I know what you're gonna say, but go ahead.
I can get you started withanother remake.
They did a live action remake ofDumbo, about in 2019.
God, I don't know why they didit.
Oh God.
Oh God.
But now I'm gonna give the stageto you now, because I know this
really gets into your crawl.
Mike (41:00):
Well, I got a, I got a lot of things around this, and it is
not just Disney.
Okay.
So a live remake of Dumbo.
Yeah.
So I, I'll play devil's advocatehere a little bit.
That is a very classic tale.
Yeah.
Right.
And one of Disney's.
So maybe there's some merit toremaking something around that
(41:23):
one.
Okay.
Yeah.
And what is that?
The elephant with tears mm-hmm.
The flying elephant over theyears, all that.
But we realize that you have aspecial skill and, you know,
cool.
Love.
The other ones, I think what youwere pointing me towards, I
don't, are they Disney?
Like, I think Lilo and Stitch isDisney.
Yeah.
Is train your drag?
(41:44):
How to train your dragon Disney?
I'm not sure.
It might not be, what we'reseeing now in, in the market
right this minute is the liveaction remakes of, yeah, I won't
even call'em classic cartoons.
They were cartoons 15 years ago.
Maybe a little more than 10.
Mm-hmm.
10, maybe 12 years ago when mykids were younger.
(42:06):
Yeah.
It's one of those things where you take your kids to see
a movie and they put some, like,Easter eggs in for the adults,
so you're not completely like,why am I here?
You're not just there for yourkids.
You got a little entertainmentout of it.
Right, right, right.
And now already they're notcontinuing the story, they're
just redoing it.
Yeah.
In a different format.
(42:27):
Exactly.
And it's the exact samedialogue, and that is the
formula that you were talkingabout that's just gonna make'em,
they put it through the AImachine and said, if we do this,
we'll make this much money.
Let's do it.
Steve (42:41):
Yeah.
That's exactly it.
And Disney goes to that well alot.
I was looking at a, I waslooking at somebody's YouTube
video.
I can't remember the guy who heis.
He may be nobody of anyconsequence really.
I don't know.
But he was talking about thatthis YouTube video came from
2020 or 21, and at that time hehad said there were already nine
(43:02):
animated classics of Disney thathad been remade in the live
action format.
And that was.
Four or five years ago, we knowat least one more has been done.
And that's, snow White in theSecond Wars.
So they keep going back to that.
Well over and over again.
Mike (43:15):
So I'm wondering, now that we've getting towards the end of
our rant, I guess, what are wearguing against?
I mean, they're gonna makemoney.
Right.
Yeah.
As
Steve (43:29):
long as, as long as there's money to be made,
they're not gonna care how muchwe complain because people will
keep going.
Mike (43:33):
So I think what we want, we want more creativity, is that
what we're saying?
Steve (43:42):
Yeah.
Okay.
Creativity.
I, think I would just, I wouldjust like to see where they put
more effort into it.
The stuff I'll watch over andover again.
It looks to me like there's nota lot of effort put into what,
what they're doing.
That's, I would like to see somekind of crafting.
That's a point I wanna see acrafting.
Mike (43:56):
Maybe that's what it is.
I think you nailed it rightthere.
Put some effort into it in thejob that you have taken upon
yourself to entertain us, andwe're glad for you to make money
and make it a business and dowhat you gotta do.
I'll pay my share to getentertained.
Can you make it interesting forme?
Steve (44:17):
Yeah.
just don't throw it, just don'tthrow it out there and put it up
on the screen when you know thatwe're gonna see it, know that
you probably haven't even seenit yourself, that's a good
point.
Mike (44:27):
I wanted to fit this in and this is probably like, uh,
I'm, I'm slugging this in toohard'cause it's not a natural
tangent.
Go back to stories and plotswhat the hell is Star Wars
again.
There's only so many plots, somany storylines.
It's a Western.
Steve (44:43):
It is a Western, yeah.
Mike (44:45):
Instead of riding horses or riding starships, the farm
boy become cowboy.
Yeah, the cowboy out there, thatis, you know, a rule breaker,
I'll give a couple props aroundthat, franchise that Disney
bought and what they'recontinuing with, some of it is
so campy.
First off that some of theseoffshoots of shows and what have
(45:05):
you, I just can't take.
Mm-hmm.
But.
If anybody hasn't watched and orwatch it, awesome, awesome
series.
I
Steve (45:13):
watched the first two episodes and I really liked it.
I'll continue to watch thatthrough all the way through.
It
Mike (45:17):
is a true spy thriller set in the Star Wars theme without
the campiness.
Steve (45:23):
I actually had Star Wars, the original Star Wars.
What it was it actually called aNew Hope.
I think the first one was calledA New Hope.
Yeah.
New
Mike (45:29):
Hope.
Well, the episode four.
Yes, episode four.
Steve (45:34):
I did have that on my list of stuff that should never
be touched as far as beingremade.
You can't remake that.
I mean, you can do, like you'retalking about like they made the
Western in, in space.
They could, they could take thatkind of aspect from it, but they
can't remake it.
Remake Star Wars under thatname.
Again?
Mike (45:48):
No, no.
If they did that, I think theywould fail immensely.
Steve (45:52):
The only Star Wars stuff I've seen that I, I've truly not
liked were the second threemovies, which is really the
first three stories.
The
Mike (45:58):
worst, campiest, things I've ever seen in my life.
What
Steve (46:01):
was the, what was the banks thing or whatever that
thing was called?
Mike (46:04):
Jaja Banks.
I want them to remake that and Iwant Jaja to come out with his.
Addiction that doesn't, thatthat doesn't gel with any kind
of population on earth and Iwant somebody to pull out a
laser and blast him in the firstscene as soon as he shows up.
Steve (46:22):
That never made any sense to me.
That was like taking his StarWars, plot and throwing a Jim
Henson Muppet into it.
Why?
Why do you do that?
Mike (46:31):
There's the latest one, I forgot what it's called, and it
has, the English actor in it.
And I think it's the sameEnglish actor that I forgot two
episodes ago that I couldn'tremember his name either.
But, he's in it and I gave it a,gave it a chance because of him
and, it's just all Muppets.
Oh, you talking about Jude
Steve (46:49):
Law again?
Mike (46:49):
Yeah, Jude Law.
Yeah.
Okay.
Why can't I remember that guy?
He leaves a very poor impressionon me.
Apparently.
Steve (46:57):
Whenever you have that problem, just call me and say
that English actor and I'll justrespond.
Jude Law.
How's that?
Mike (47:01):
You should do that for now on.
Yes, because the ones that Ilike, I remember, I don't have
anything against him.
I think he's pretty good at alot of things he does, but I
just can't remember his name.
Alright, so, let me see.
I thought I had a couple otherthings.
The Star Wars thing was onething I wanted to bring up.
(47:22):
I didn't go into storylines.
There's a finite, number ofstorylines.
I won't go into that here, Idon't think it's a limit.
Like we can't do anythingdifferent.
There is nothing different thanYeah.
Very, basic plots andstorylines.
The only thing they can dodifferent is the backdrops of
it.
Right?
So put Western in space, starWars, and the only thing they
(47:43):
can do to make it good is likewhat you said is dialogue and
writing.
Steve (47:49):
Right, right.
Yeah.
Just, just break a sweat.
I'm gonna ask you to recreategreatness.
Just break a sweat and put aneffort into it.
That's all.
Mike (47:56):
I agree.
Don't, don't put it in chat GPTand have it make your movie for
you.
Steve (48:02):
Right,
Mike (48:03):
exactly.
Alright, so what do you think?
Did we, exhaust this enough?
We're we're hanging on to onelistener maybe now.
Steve (48:10):
Yeah.
I don't know if that's mydaughter or yours, but at least
we've got one.
Mike (48:18):
The brother's, how, what the hell is this?
They're all over the place.
Steve (48:23):
Yeah.
Just keep going.
Sooner or later somebody willpick up and like it.
Mike (48:26):
I think it will happen.
So the one thing I will ask, andwe haven't done this in the
previous episodes, is, please,if you're listening to this on
whatever platform you'relistening to, like us, it's not
that hard.
Click on it like us.
It helps to keep us deliveringcontent, we'll probably do it
anyway.
Because we like doing it, but ifthere's a way that we could put
(48:48):
more effort into this and lesseffort into our day jobs, we
would love it.
Steve (48:55):
Honesty is the best policy.
Mike (48:56):
Absolutely.
Steve (48:59):
that about it.
Mike (49:00):
I think that's about it.
I appreciate everybody tuningin.
I appreciate everybodylistening.
Steve, you have an outro for us,
Steve (49:06):
Just to say thanks again for listening and I hope you
will do it again next time.
It shouldn't be too long, andI've, I have heard that, most
podcasts don't make it past 30episodes.
Well, we're gonna make it past30 episodes.
It might be 31 or 32, but we'regonna get there.
So keep listening and well keeploose along.
Mike (49:23):
And you know what, we'll just keep putting episodes out
there.
We might get the 500, but itdoesn't mean we made it.
Steve (49:29):
Yeah, that's right.
That's right.
We'll keep doing it until wereach somebody.
Mike (49:33):
Yes.
Alright, Mike.
Alright.
Thanks everybody.
Hello everyone, to all you vets and newcomers.
This is episode number three ofthe Brothers Howell.
You've got me, Steve, and mybrother.
Mike.
Say hello, Mike.
I am here.
Hello.
And, I, I think we're gonna talkabout, movies and remakes and
rehashes and how that's goingthese days.
Mike (00:37):
Yeah, and I, I try to come up with clever names for these
episodes I see the otherpodcasters out there.
They wait till the end of thepodcast and they, they like, we
should call it this becausethat's what we talked about and
something clever came up, but Iam gonna call this one movies
these days.
What the fuck?
Steve (00:58):
I, that's that pretty much, that's a great summation
even for a beginning because it,yeah, that's kind of the
attitude that's out there nowwith all the, all the remix.
There's not, there's not verymany original ideas, if any, out
there now, and we're, we seem tobe getting, a, a menu of the
same stuff over and over andover again.
Mike (01:16):
I'm with you 100%.
My latest, well, I, there's alot of movie experiences and,
and we will go into all of this,right?
I stream stuff.
I stream old stuff.
I stream new stuff.
My latest in the theater that Iwent to was becoming Led
Zeppelin, and I thought that wasinteresting.
(01:37):
For one reason, I like LedZeppelin.
I like the history of music.
I'm a big bass player, so Iwanted to go see everything I
could about John Paul Jones andhow that band came together.
And it was interesting from thatstandpoint.
But theater worthy movie, hellno.
It was a Hulu documentary atbest, to produce that in a
(01:59):
theater and to try to getaudiences to go to that format
to go see that we have lost allideas of content in any way,
shape, or form to make thingsinteresting.
Steve (02:15):
Yeah, and that's, that's kinda like the stamp it out,
cookie cutter kind of approachto things.
And a lot of that stems from, ofcourse, being no original ideas.
But a lot of it is also because,you've got studios now who are.
Who are owned by biggercorporations and answer to
shareholders, and they want,something proven something where
the, the cost and the, and thereturn is gonna be built in.
(02:37):
And they look back to the pastand call from the stuff that
made money before and, Hey,let's do that again.
Yeah.
Mike (02:44):
Absolute calculation people were, and, and especially
probably now with ai, probablyeven more analysis around it
than they could have done in thepast.
And here's the model that'sgonna make you money.
What did this movie do at thebox office?
And I think there's a couple ofthings around that, right?
One is, let's capitalize onwhatever that box office thing
(03:05):
made and do a sequel maybe, or Ithink you're gonna come up with
prequels here in a minute and wecan talk about that.
And then the other thing is, youknow what, it's been 20 years,
there's a whole new audiencesegment for that.
We're gonna redo the exact samething in some other format.
Steve (03:23):
Yeah.
This stuff is easy.
It doesn't take much to puttogether, a new movie based on
an old script when you've got itall in place already.
And then there's the ones thatcan be remade.
I.
And, and largely acceptable.
It would be like classicliterature.
I don't know that that'snecessarily a bad thing.
Those get made over and overagain because it's, I agree, I
agree with that.
It's kind of good to update thatstuff for, for the pure
(03:46):
literature sense of it.
But then when you are, I.
You're remaking stuff,especially when it was made
five, 10 years ago.
People have barely forgotten theone that, that, that did exist.
And now they've moved on to anew version of it that frankly
is not as good.
'cause it, you don't get thesame input into it financially,
and you, you don't really getthe same effort, I don't
believe.
Mike (04:06):
I agree.
And I do think, if things aremade that too quickly back to
back, you still have that one,maybe even the same generation,
just older.
But the, the people that saw itto begin with.
Yeah.
And then see the secondrendition of it, you lose that
audience'cause they're kind ofmarried to the first one
already.
I think that's probably a littletoo soon to grab that new
(04:28):
audience Yeah.
That they were trying to grab.
Steve (04:31):
Yeah.
Well there's, there's certainlylogic to, introducing something.
To new generation, particularlyif it's good, something that
they can relate to that wewouldn't because it, it has
their modern day stars, theirmodern day, aspects that we
wouldn't appreciate as much asthey would.
I often wonder why they keepgoing back and doing some of the
same things over and over again.
And some of the low hangingfruit when there is so many
(04:52):
hundreds and hundreds of moviesfrom the, even going back as
early as the thirties, forties,fifties, where there are scripts
there that are plenty goodenough to be made into something
that might not seem like aremake.
It'll seem fresher, but why notuse some of that more unknown
material than keep going back tothe stuff that everybody is
familiar with on a day-to-daybasis.
Mike (05:13):
Is that the risk, is that the problem?
Steve (05:16):
I think doing a remake of anything is less risk than doing
something epic.
Surely nobody wants to take achance on a billion dollar epic
anymore because the risk offailure is too great.
Yeah, so we don't get the epicsanymore.
Mike (05:27):
Is it cheaper though, maybe these days to make what
used to be a big epic, expensivemovie
Steve (05:34):
yeah.
And then you got, I guess CGItoo, which is gonna save you
some money, I suppose.
Yeah.
And then.
Location.
Location, yeah.
Filming and things of thatnature.
But now you're getting into thatterritory where if the epic was
that big to begin with, is thatsomething you really wanna
tackle?
Can you really live up to it?
That's a good point.
Mike (05:52):
So you talked about the CGI thing.
So the movie before becoming LedZeppelin that I saw, I just
don't go to the theater thatmuch anymore.
Right.
But the one I saw was, was itcalled Gladiator two, the sequel
of Gladiator, gladiator
Steve (06:05):
two it was a, a sequel, but it was almost a remake.
Really.
Mike (06:09):
Well, they continued a story with the son, right?
Yeah.
Of, the, of the sister of, Iforgot very forgettable.
Caesar guy, I forgot what hisname was.
I don't remember.
Yeah.
That, that Joaquin played, but,but that was the continuation of
that story.
(06:30):
But very CGI, generated.
Yeah.
Which maybe, maybe these youngeraudiences, that's all they know
and they don't care.
That's okay.
And that's probably
Steve (06:39):
true.
They have no expectations wherethat's concerned because they're
not really.
Most of them are interested ingoing back more than 20 years
anyway, so they don't reallyknow the old stuff.
Mike (06:48):
But it was funny you mentioned it's okay to take the
classic literature and remakeand remake and remake and I, I
don't know if I call thisclassic literature, but one of
the things my wife Tina loves isthe storyline of Pride and
Prejudice.
Mm-hmm.
Right?
And there has been so many.
(07:09):
Remakes of Pride and Prejudice?
Yes, there is.
And she loves every single oneof'em because they come at it
from a different backdrop.
Yeah.
I think one of the latest oneswas done in space.
It was basically pride andprejudice in space.
Yeah.
And, and all the differenthouses had a different starships
(07:30):
and what have you.
The one before that was Prideand prejudice zombies.
Steve (07:34):
Yeah.
Pride and prejudice and honor.
I remember that.
Yeah.
Mike (07:38):
So that there's some campy cleverness around that.
I'll give them that.
Steve (07:42):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well that's kind of an originalidea.
I, yeah, I like that.
I can, I can kind of relate toher on that.
One of my favorite movies of alltime, and it's, it's classic
literature, it's Charles Dickensand that's, A Christmas Carol.
Absolutely.
There are multiple versions ofthat.
I love pretty much every one ofthem.
I mean, the, the creme de lacreme is, is the Alistair Sim
version, the black and whiteversions in 51.
(08:04):
But, but, the Jort c Scotland'sgood.
Even the musical with AlbertFinney was good.
They've all been pretty good.
I, I'll watch'em all everyChristmas season.
Mike (08:11):
You're not gonna give me Henry Winkler and American
Christmas, Carol,
Steve (08:14):
I've got that one.
I didn't know where to bringthat up or I've got that on DVD
now.
If, if you had to pick out aworst.
That would be the one.
It was the
Mike (08:23):
worst, but I love him.
Steve (08:24):
It's still watchable.
I'll watch it.
I love Henry Winkler.
Mike (08:27):
He is probably one of the nicest actors I've ever, ever,
seen, interviewed, and donedifferent things, I love him.
I think I watched it like fiveyears ago.
It was not easy to find and Ifound it and streamed it and I'm
like, wow, this is absolutelyterrible.
Steve (08:43):
Yeah, that's, that's, that's pretty much me right down
the line too.
I liked it when we were younger.
I.
I watched it a second time afterI found, I actually found the,
the Blu-ray, in, in a thriftstore and purchased it.
And I watched it and, eh, yeah.
It left a lot to be desired.
Yeah.
And, but it's hard to go wrong.
I mean, I love anything CharlesDickens anyway, and at Christmas
(09:04):
Carol, in particularly, it's thegreatest redemption story ever
written.
And it, it's, it's just hard notto like, it
Mike (09:10):
It is so funny that you just said redemption story, And
I knew we were gonna talk aboutmovies, and I know, people that
have probably listened to ourfirst two podcasts, they don't
have a great feel for where wego.
But the idea is that you, Iwonder.
Yeah, we we're not in your,we're not in your mindset yet,
(09:30):
but we talk about a little bitof absurdities, right.
And personal fronts, and we tryto turn stuff into that.
Not everything works out forthat, but we do.
So I wanted to start looking howmany stories can possibly be
told.
Okay.
Because I mean, how many moviesdo we have to put out every year
(09:51):
for people to keep their jobs,generate business, have the
studio stay up, all that type ofstuff.
Given the fact, and I think it'sa fact there, I'm sure it's, I'm
sure it's refutable, that theremight be only seven basic plots
in the entire world.
Steve (10:08):
Mm-hmm.
And you've ma mapped'em all out.
Mike (10:14):
I can absolutely tell you I did nothing, but I can look up
stuff and I can research things.
Steve (10:22):
Well, there's, there's a lot, lot to be said for that.
Not to give excuses for takingthe easy route, but, a lot of it
is done outta necessity'causethere's really only so many
stories.
There's a saying, I think, Ithink it comes from being, band
around by comedians that there.
There are no new jokes, just newapplications to old ones.
And I think you can apply thatto just about everything,
(10:44):
including music, including,movies and entertainment and,
and just the written word.
Mike (10:49):
I absolutely agree with that.
In fact, I was listeningliterally to a podcast today.
I'm not trying to advertiseother people's podcasts on air,
but there's many that I listento that I like, oh, they'll help
us.
And one of my, and one of myfavorite guys, he said, and I
told a joke last week.
It wasn't my joke.
And we got a lot of people, thatwas the funniest thing I ever
heard.
And I had to pull over the sideof the road.
(11:10):
I was laughing so hard.
And he's like, that wasn't myjoke.
I didn't even try to play it asmy joke.
Just part of the story that Iwas telling.
And it was an old Henny Youngmanjoke, right
Steve (11:23):
boy.
Or my own car.
Mike (11:24):
Take my wife please.
Right?
Yeah.
The king in a one liners.
My wife asked me, take mesomeplace I've been before.
I took her to the kitchen.
Steve (11:38):
Some of the old stuff, it all comes back around sooner or
later, but,
Mike (11:42):
and that's old school, talking about wife and what have
you.
But you, like, like you said,you could take that joke and
apply it to any new situation.
Steve (11:49):
Yeah, yeah.
So yeah, that's, that almost hasto be done because it's pretty
much, it pretty much has allbeen done.
I think where, I, I think wherethe problem is, is the frequency
you do it.
And how many times you go backto the same material when
there's others to choose from.
Yeah.
Agree.
And, and which ones should just be left the hell
alone?
Because you're not going to beable to supplant it, let alone
(12:11):
equal it, just leave it alonethe Exorcist, you're not gonna
remake that, you're not gonnaremake the the 10 Commandments
or Apocalypse Now, citizen Kane,it's a wonderful life Key Largo,
and the list goes on and on onsome of those things.
You just cannot remake thosebecause you're, you can't, you,
you got a lot of balls to tryit, but you're a fool to try it
too.
Mike (12:32):
I agree with that.
The one that really, kind ofhits home with me is Apocalypse
Now.
Yeah.
So.
APOs Nail, I think is theabsolute quintessential story of
one person in their quest withinthe Vietnam War, right?
Yeah.
Steve (12:49):
Yeah.
Mike (12:49):
And if you try to redo that and call it Apocalypse
Nail, you will fail.
Steve (12:55):
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Mike (12:56):
And, and quite frankly, I think if you try to run parallel
with it, with that same kind of,one person stories and that
quest within that.
You'll probably fail.
And that, that actually camefrom, I think it was the book
Hearted Darkness, right?
Yeah.
Steve (13:10):
Joseph Conrad.
Yeah.
Classically, which wasn't
Mike (13:12):
Vietnam and it was about going down to Congo and Africa,
I think.
Yeah.
Right.
Mm-hmm.
But, but it was told beautifullyand it was done very well.
Yeah.
So you don't challenge that.
But I do like Vietnam movies asa whole.
I wanna see more of'em and, andnot, I don't wanna see more
made, but I like looking, I likewatching them.
Steve (13:29):
Yeah, I do too.
I do too.
Especially if they're well done.
Especially some of'em are prettypoor.
But, yeah, if you're gonna, ifyou're willing to take the risk
and put the money into it, butthen that gets us right back to
where we were before.
Mike (13:38):
Yeah.
It could, it could be a major
Steve (13:40):
financial failure.
Mike (13:41):
So a great take.
IWI wouldn't say is a take onApocalypse Now necessarily, but
What was a Tropic Thunder?
Did you see that?
Steve (13:49):
I did.
It's been a while.
Yeah.
Okay.
Mike (13:51):
So the comedy version, without being too.
Campy or two slapstick about,we're not gonna do a movie about
apo.
We're not gonna do ApocalypseNail movie in the first person.
And the challenges thereof.
Mm-hmm.
We're gonna do a satire movie ofmaking a movie that that is
(14:15):
about that guy in his personaljourney.
I thought that was prettyclever.
Steve (14:21):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was.
I dug that.
Mike (14:24):
So you say what you want about the actors in that.
I, I thought that was a clevertake on that and I thought that
was one.
We, we can put that on thehistorical movie shelf and it's
valid and it's okay.
Steve (14:35):
Yeah.
Mike (14:36):
I wanted to get back to these plots.
Okay.
The seven.
That I understand.
I'm not here to do credits for,others and what have you.
So I don't want to go into thatbecause I'm not trying to be a
trustworthy resource ofknowledge here, but this is not
me saying this.
Okay.
So I've done some researcharound this where I hear that
(14:57):
there's basically, and it'sarguable, I'm sure, seven plots
in every story you ever tell.
Every story it's ever been told,every movie it's ever been made
has, doesn't have to stay tothese, but there's no way to get
out of it.
It's just what they are.
And one was a overcoming themonster.
(15:20):
There's some called monster.
Whatever you want.
Is it an entity?
Is it a force?
Is it something else?
But you gotta overcome it.
The other is rags to riches.
So again, you could almost putthat in Overcoming a monster.
What's the monster?
Well, I'm in rags, right?
The quest, I'm on a journey Igotta go discover.
(15:44):
There is a voyage, the otherone's a voyage that I go on and
then I return from it.
And what's changed since I gotback comedy?
That seems pretty general.
But you know, you could takealmost any, any plot we talk
about and turn it into a comedy.
Sure.
There's a tragedy, I think.
Yeah.
That's kind of weak.
(16:05):
That's kind of a weak one.
But, comedy and tragedy, youcould put anything under that.
And then there's a rebirth.
I, I rediscovered myself and nowI'm a new person.
Steve (16:15):
You talk about the rags to richest thing, as a matter of
fact.
I came across this little tidbitabout, Brewsters Millions has
been remade eight or nine times.
I
Mike (16:23):
love that fricking movie
Steve (16:24):
now, the 85 version with, Pryor and, wild.
Mike (16:30):
No, it was prior and it was, candy.
Oh, John Candy.
Yeah.
Steve (16:34):
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's actually very good.
I, I like that at that time.
And, and for a long time afterthat, I thought that was an
original movie, but that, thatwas like the seventh or eighth
version of that movie to bemade.
I did not
Mike (16:44):
know
Steve (16:45):
that.
Yeah.
And it goes all the way back to,the teens, I think was the first
one.
Mike (16:49):
That's a, so that's a great point.
Right?
So other people that probablyknew that story and watched it
are thinking we're idiots,right?
Mm-hmm.
Because we loved Richard Pryor'sversion.
Yeah, that's a great point ofthat.
So first, I got points aroundthat, but I gotta talk about
Bruce's Millions, one of my, Ithink it's one of the funniest
movies
Steve (17:08):
ever.
It is a funny movie.
I love it.
Mike (17:11):
It's, I mean, Richard Pryor, back when he was still
acting and was on point when hewas doing the other movies.
Like you said gene Wilder.
Gene Wilder.
Yes.
Yeah.
And those were great too.
Stir crazy, all those awesome.
That was his prime and hischaracter in Brewster's Millions
is just fricking awesome.
(17:33):
And the plot, I didn't know,again, I'm sure it meets Rags
are riches.
Yeah.
But I didn't know it was aredone, remade movie, but I
absolutely love that movie.
Yeah.
And that's, that's one I willbuy.
And Restream.
Oh, I, once a year.
I would, I would
Steve (17:46):
definitely, I would definitely, I'm a, I'm a more of
a physical collector than youare, but if I ever see that,
that Blueray sitting out therein the wild somewhere, I'll pick
it up.
Mike (17:54):
Well, you're a classic collector.
I just buy stuff forentertainment, so I have a, I
have an online stream thing thatI own.
I actually do think I own thatmovie.
Yeah.
Like in Amazon.
Steve (18:02):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And my favorite thing about thatmovie is, is of course mailing
the, the rare stamp, the rareairmail stamp course.
That price always the one
Mike (18:12):
case smarter than we thought he was.
Right?
Like, what was it, like a$2million stamp?
Steve (18:20):
That was freaking awesome.
Went right back to the source.
But you know, there are also in,I don't know about how recent
history, but in our recenthistory, like going back 30
years or so, there have beensome really good remakes and in
some cases where the remake isbetter than the original.
Some of that, like, I don't, doyou remember Invasion of the
Body Snatchers?
Did you ever see the original,the remake?
I never,
Mike (18:39):
well, the only one I know is the one with, Donald Silver
one.
Yeah.
Donald Silver one.
Yeah.
Steve (18:44):
Okay.
That was, that was the remake.
Mike (18:46):
Okay.
Steve (18:47):
The original was the Kevin McCarthy, black and white
version in 55 or 56, which wasalso great.
The original was great, but theremake was better.
It was very good.
Like, the Haunting,
Mike (18:57):
so before, before you go on.
Okay.
So that one, I think.
I was relatively young.
My preteens maybe.
Yeah.
Maybe just teens.
Yeah.
And I think you took me to thatmovie.
Steve (19:07):
Yeah.
Did, did we go with LyleWoodard?
Maybe.
Do you remember Lyle?
I think so.
Yes.
I think it back.
Mike (19:11):
I think it was, yes.
I think it was the
Steve (19:13):
three of us.
We went to Bradley Theater tosee that.
Yep.
Where all would eventually workwhen I was in high school.
And then there's Dawn of theDead, George Romero's second.
Zombie movie.
Okay.
He gets two categories herebecause his second zombie movie,
Dawn of the Dead, you rememberwe couldn't go see that one
night because it was actuallygiven an X rating.
And we went with Dad, Iremember, wouldn't let us in.
(19:33):
And I
Mike (19:33):
remember something about that having an X rating.
Steve (19:36):
Yeah.
And that, that one was verygood.
Done on a real low budget.
Like all George Romero filmsare.
But the remake that came in thenineties also real good.
No, no big cast.
I think the biggest name inthere was Ving.
Rames, but it was great.
So sometimes the second one isbetter.
Mike (19:50):
Which one was the one you that was X-rated?
Was that the black and whiteone?
Steve (19:55):
No, that was the, that was the color one Dawn of the
dead.
I.
It came out with an X rating.
Mike (19:59):
Okay.
So the, the first one was Nightof the Living.
Dead
Steve (20:03):
Night of the Living Dead.
And that's where another alsofits one of our categories.
The first one, the black andwhite Classic.
They actually re remade thatmovie in color Frame by frame.
Absolutely the same.
Why?
Mike (20:15):
That's a good point.
And it was terrible.
I think Night of the LivingDead.
I remember seeing it.
Is it, did we see that thedrive-in.
Steve (20:24):
Maybe,
Mike (20:24):
maybe may I don't know.
But it scared me for years,
Steve (20:27):
was, yeah, nothing he did was fantastic.
Mike (20:29):
It, it was done really, really well.
Steve (20:31):
And, and George Romero did everything really cheap and
he did it in his immediatebackyard in the Pennsylvania,
Pittsburgh area.
And he used actors from rightaround the area, local.
Some of'em didn't even haveacting experience in most of his
stuff.
Well, you're a
Mike (20:42):
zombie, so
Steve (20:43):
Yeah, you're a zombie.
What
Mike (20:45):
do you need to do?
Yep,
Steve (20:47):
that's exactly right.
And then you have stuff like,Cape Fear Original, fantastic
remake.
Even better,
Mike (20:54):
I will say, I knew there was an original when I watched
the one that I watched withRobert Dero.
Right.
The Robert De Niro one was very,very good.
Steve (21:04):
Yeah.
Outstanding.
He and Nick.
No, I can't say
Mike (21:06):
I'm a huge Robert De Niro fan, but, well, I used to be,
his acting is good.
And that was a great movie.
Steve (21:13):
His acting's very good.
I just wish he stopped going forthe money and stopped, taking
every script that was offeredhim.
Yeah.
So the first half of his careerhe was very selective and did,
did very noteworthy things.
Mike (21:25):
So before I forget, you have more examples of this?
Steve (21:28):
A couple more like, desperate Hours.
The original with Bogart.
Very good.
The remake with Mickey Rourke.
Fantastic.
Mike (21:35):
I don't know that, I don't know that you ought to check
that
Steve (21:38):
out because especially the remake is very, very good.
Anthony Hopkins and Mimi Rogersand Shawnee Smith.
Mike (21:43):
I'm always looking for content, so I will do that.
Steve (21:45):
Yeah.
That's a great one.
And then, I don't know about theDay of the Earth stood still.
The original was classic.
Fantastic.
The remake with Keanu Reeves.
Mike (21:53):
I'm sorry.
Both of those, I don't like,
Steve (21:56):
you don't like the original?
Mike (21:58):
No, not really.
Okay.
I mean, I like, I like theconcept of it, and I like the, I
liked the storyline, I didn'tthink it was really done that
well.
Steve (22:08):
Yeah, either.
I, I'm a sucker for old classicblack and white movies anyway.
Like I, Eileen, my wife will notwatch anything black and white,
neither will my daughter.
Mike (22:18):
I think if somebody came to me and said, let's do a movie
or a story, whatever, and startwith a story, make it a movie
that said, aliens are comingdown and telling us to fricking
figure our shit out, or they'regonna destroy us.
Mm-hmm.
I could write a better storythan that movie.
(22:39):
Under that
Steve (22:40):
guys maybe.
Yeah.
Mike (22:43):
Yeah.
I, I just didn't like either of'em.
So I was gonna ask you, thething,
Steve (22:48):
I was just coming to that one.
Yeah.
Okay, cool.
Mike (22:50):
We're on the same page
Steve (22:52):
again.
The original Fantastic.
The remake much better.
Great
Mike (22:57):
story.
Great storyline.
The original.
But it was, the special effectsare absolutely horrible.
Steve (23:04):
Yeah,
Mike (23:04):
right.
Yeah.
It's like a ve we're gettingattacked by vegetables or
something.
It was, it was,
Steve (23:08):
It was, it was the, the gun smoke guy, the Marshall
Dylan was the monster.
Mike (23:13):
Oh, was he?
I never knew that.
Steve (23:14):
Yeah.
Mike (23:15):
That's hilarious know.
But, but I mean, Kurt Russell islike the main character in the
next one.
And, when they did those specialeffects for that movie at the
time it came out.
Yeah.
The holy, I think they stillhold well now
Steve (23:26):
and talking about going, dipping back into the, dipping
back into the past.
I'm hearing there's another onecoming next year and Kurt
Russell's in it,
Mike (23:34):
the thing,
Steve (23:35):
yeah.
Mike (23:36):
So it's gonna be not a remake, but like, something that
ties into the original.
Steve (23:41):
Yeah, I, I'm not sure exactly how it works, but it is,
it.
I mean, it gives you what littleI know about it.
It left me with the idea thatsomehow Kurt Russell survived
that and now he's going back asan older man.
Mike (23:51):
Well, he never, you never saw him die?
Steve (23:55):
No, those two.
He and, he, Keith.
David.
Mike (23:57):
Well, and they were like, who's gonna kill?
Who thinks it's gonna turn thething?
Yeah, yeah.
Right.
Steve (24:03):
Waiting for all the, waiting for everything to get
cold and all the fires comingout.
Okay.
Mike (24:06):
Is that the list you got any others?
Like, because I got some,
Steve (24:09):
we did speak of Shawnee Smith, and here's another one.
The original blob with SteveMcQueen and then the remake with
Shawnee Smith and Kevin Dillon,the Blob.
I don't know.
I don't know the remake.
You don't know the remake?
It's, it's actually, if you likeShawnee Smith and you like
either one of the Dillons,you'll probably like, like that
too.
I mean, it's, it's cheap.
It's cheap entertainment, butit's good.
Cream de la creme of, of drivingmovie fodder for that period of
(24:31):
time.
Mike (24:32):
Abso, it was the original fonzi jumping over the shark.
It was, you gotta watch it.
Yeah.
Steve (24:39):
But did you notice the theme throughout all of that?
It was almost everything that webrought up that I brought up
individually was almost allhorror or science fiction.
And those two genres get remadeover and over again.
And there's big money in thatbecause a lot of times it is
better than the original'causeyou can do more with
Mike (24:55):
it'cause of the effects and and stuff.
Yeah.
That's a good, that's a reallygood point.
So that does bring me to, sofirst I do have a tangent and,
and then I'll try to tie it backinto what you were saying with,
w the only good remakes, kind ofwhat you said is, you can do
horrors more easily, right?
Steve (25:14):
Yeah.
Mike (25:14):
But my tangent is this.
So I had time last night, like Igot some time to fill and I
wanna watch something.
What should I watch?
We mentioned this on our lastpodcast and I looked it up and I
watched it.
Capor one.
Steve (25:30):
Did you really?
I did.
I rewatched it again, I think.
Oh, it's probably been five orsix years ago.
Mike (25:37):
I will tell you I was thoroughly entertained.
Steve (25:41):
Yeah, I was too.
It
Mike (25:42):
really was.
And I think that, you know why,I think it still holds up as a
story.
It's a great story, right?
Yeah.
We're fak it.
We're, we're faking not, wedidn't fake everything before,
but for this particular mission,and we need faith from the
government that, we can pull offa mission to Mars and we're
scared that we really can't doit, so we're gonna fake it,
(26:03):
right?
Like, great, great storyline,right?
Mm-hmm.
And they didn't go crazy withthe special effects of where
things look fake.
Steve (26:11):
Yeah.
Mike (26:12):
Yeah.
So, so I think that's what makesit hold up to where you can
watch it and not feel like thisis stupid.
And I will tell you, ElliotGould was great in it.
Yeah.
And I forgot how much I like himas an actor.
Steve (26:27):
Yeah.
He, he, well, at that time, atthat time, he was at his, the
peak of his powers.
And he was just about right upthere.
The, the one, two or third,third guy as far as leading men
in Hollywood goes for a shortperiod of time there.
And he was kind of big.
And most of that was coming offthe success of mash.
Mike (26:43):
Oh, okay.
Sure.
From the movie.
Yeah.
So, oh, that goes back toanother one.
You just tied back intosomething we talked about
earlier with the remakes andwhat have you.
We haven't really broached thisone, Mash the movie mm-hmm.
Versus Mash the show.
Mm-hmm.
Great successful movie.
We turned into a show.
I grew up on the show.
(27:05):
Went back and watched the movie.
Yeah.
Right.
I will tell you that thegeneration above me thinks the
movie is King.
Steve (27:14):
Well, I think they're both great, but they're not
really compar comparative otherthan the fact that that, Gary
Bergoff was both versions.
They really didn't have a wholelot comedy.
Yeah.
He's, yeah, they're both, to me,they're both standalone.
It was great television and,maybe at least one of the top
five television shows ever atleast as far as comedies go.
But the movie was, the movie wasmeant to be a standalone thing
(27:35):
in the beginning.
And it, sure it still holds uptoday.
Every time I, I see it scrollingthrough, I, I usually stop on
it.
It's very good.
Mike (27:42):
And it's funny, so my wife, who doesn't watch a lot of
tv, and she's younger than me.
Her go-to, like, just put it onand I'll do stuff.
Is Mash
Steve (27:54):
the TV show?
Mike (27:55):
Yeah.
Steve (27:56):
Yeah.
That's, it's great comforttelevision.
I did that for years.
Yeah.
It used to always be my go-to.
We, in one of the early shows,we were talking about late night
TV and waiting for Johnny Carsonto come one.
I'd be on channel five watchingreruns of, of mash and the Odd
Couple, just over and over againnight after night, year after
year.
Mike (28:13):
That's interesting to say.
Odd couple'cause we, I don'twant to get too much into that.
Odd couple did not comfort me.
There's something about thatshow that I did not relate to
and maybe it's'cause I missed itby a couple years of these guys.
I didn't understand.
Steve (28:26):
Yeah.
Well in that case too, I likedthe TV show, but the movie was
much better.
The movie was fantastic.
Mike (28:31):
I'm sure that generation above me would say the same
thing.
Steve (28:33):
Yeah.
Yeah, the movie really was good.
I
Mike (28:35):
do like, I like, I like Jack Klugman.
I thought he was, I thought hewas.
They did,
Steve (28:39):
they did great casting, both versions.
'cause they, they nailed it onboth accounts, I think.
Mike (28:43):
Yep.
Totally agree.
Steve (28:44):
Now the later version with, Matthew Perry, that TV
show, eh, I don't if you everwatched that.
I've never saw.
Yeah.
Not, not too great.
Matthew Perry was, CL wasKligman's role.
He was Oscar.
Mike (28:54):
So I did want to bring up a couple things.
I remember when I was in mytwenties, so not that long ago.
Steve (29:05):
Yeah, me either.
Mike (29:06):
Yeah, I was looking for some content to watch and, I
think we had the sameconversation I had with some
friends then all the new moviesthe plots are just redone if you
really want to see good acting,you need to watch this movie.
And I went and watched it, andit was called Sleuth.
Steve (29:30):
That's a Donald Carland movie, right?
Is that Donald Sutherland?
Mike (29:34):
It is Michael Kane.
Steve (29:36):
Michael Kane.
Okay.
Gotcha.
Mike (29:38):
Mm-hmm.
And, I'll expand on this in aminute so our listeners
understand.
The reason they suggested isit's all about acting.
Mm-hmm.
It has nothing to do withspecial facts, backdrops,
anything.
It's in one room, the entiremovie it is two people acting
back and forth.
I won't, bore you with the plot,but they're basically trying to
(29:59):
accuse each other of differentthings and trying to figure out
this and that.
And who did what
Steve (30:03):
is that the one with Chris with, Superman.
What was his name?
Mike (30:07):
It was, no, this is pretty old.
Right?
Okay, so this is 72.
It's with Lawrence Olivier andMichael Kane.
Okay.
Well,
Steve (30:14):
yeah, if you put Olivier in it, of course it's gonna be a
top-notch acting movie.
Mike (30:17):
Well, no, but I mean that's what was cool about.
I didn't think I would like it.
What do you mean it's one real,I, I want some action.
I want no explosions.
I don't get it.
Why would I watch that?
And I watched it and I was like,that's what it's about.
Yeah.
And then.
I looked up other movies thatwere like that and I didn't
realize how many were so, somuch about just the acting and
(30:41):
not the backdrops, any specialeffects.
And one of the top ones thatcomes up is 12 Angry Men.
Steve (30:47):
Yes.
And they made the mistake ofremaking that movie too.
Mike (30:52):
So I agree with that.
'cause that was originally, wasit a play originally?
Steve (30:58):
I, I would only be guessing that.
Yeah.
I'm not sure.
Mike (31:00):
I'm not sure.
But I, we actually did it as aplay in my English class in high
school.
Really?
And even, the acting as we didit, it kind of chilled me a
little bit.
That is a great story.
Steve (31:13):
Yeah.
And I is a great story.
My point
Mike (31:14):
is, we've gotten away from that.
Steve (31:16):
Yes.
And, I am not.
In agreement with the rest of myhousehold.
Nobody agrees with me on this.
I would much rather watchsomething dialogue driven than
have any kind of action orexplosions in it.
I get mesmerized by the writtenword and by the spoken word.
And when the dialogue is good,I'm totally engrossed.
The problem is with that whenI'm watching that, everybody
(31:36):
wants to talk to me.
This is all about the dialogue.
I can't talk to you and watchthis too.
Mike (31:41):
Oh my God.
It it's unbelievable.
It's unbelievable.
Yeah.
This is why men make man caveswith their tv.
I mean, I'm dead serious.
I go through content prettyquickly.
I don't like to waste it.
Yeah.
If something's good, right?
Tina or my, my kids, Julie orTony will come talk to me.
(32:03):
I'm like, pause, okay.
Yep, yep, yep.
Well, why are you pausing it?
Now I feel like I have to hurry.
You're not paying attention tome.
You're just waiting to get backto it.
That's'cause I am.
And I mean, I am waiting to getback to it, but I can't have you
talk over it'cause I'm justgonna miss it and I'll have to
rewind it.
Steve (32:21):
Yeah.
I don't know what it is.
I, you would think that it wouldbe just common sense, but
sometimes I feel like I'm theonly one that gets though, if
you keep talking to me and Imiss this 30 seconds, I've just
lost the whole movie.
Mike (32:32):
Exactly.
And so when we watch stufftogether, it's even worse.
So Tina and I gonna watchsomething together.
Right?
Let's watch it together.
That's fun.
If anybody's out there that isstreaming new stuff right now,
there's a series that I reallylove and it's called Clarkson's
Farm.
And he's the guy from, I usedthe English guy that does all
the cars and stuff.
(32:52):
Forgot the name.
I forgot the name of that one,but besides that, that'll be one
that Tina and I'll watchtogether.
But her watching is, I'm gonnaput it on and I'm gonna like
stuff on Facebook.
I'm gonna respond to these 50text messages.
I just got, I'm watching.
Because it's good content.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then she'll talk to me aboutthe, about the, the text message
(33:15):
you just got and I'm like, I'mglad to talk to you, but I'm
rewinding it because I didn'thear that.
Steve (33:23):
Yeah.
But then you're always theculprit, even though what you're
saying, oh,
Mike (33:27):
oh.
When I rewind something.
Things get outta whack in myhousehold.
Yeah,
Steve (33:31):
yeah, yeah.
Mike (33:33):
So we're getting off topic a little bit.
Yeah, we are.
We're,
Steve (33:35):
Getting back to, to the remake thing a little bit, I
think we haven't really touchedon stuff that has been remade
and absolutely should not havebeen remade.
I got a
couple
You, well, yeah.
You and I talked about one.
What was the one we talked aboutjust the other day?
Mike (33:48):
Longest yard.
Steve (33:50):
The longest yard, yes.
First and foremost, worst
Mike (33:53):
remake I've ever seen in my entire life.
It was terrible.
Steve (33:55):
And, and why, why Burt Reynolds even Rea associated
himself with that, I'll neverknow.
But, first and foremost, who onthis earth that has any
knowledge of sports whatsoever,is ever going to accept Adam
Sandler as a star NFLquarterback?
Mike (34:12):
No one that,
Steve (34:13):
no one I've ever met.
Mike (34:15):
Yeah.
Steve (34:15):
No
Mike (34:15):
one I've ever, I've ever met or would ever consider has a
real opinion to me.
Yeah,
Steve (34:21):
that's, that's a reason not to watch that movie right
outta the gate.
There's no reason to evenentertain it.
Give it
Mike (34:25):
to him.
Don't, don't get me wrong, I'mnot gonna hate on Adam Sandler.
He, he's made people's careersand I think people do like him.
He's, that role was the wrongrole.
He should not have been in it.
And quite frankly, him doing itand watching that movie,'cause I
love Longest Yard, one of myfavorite movies ever.
Yeah, it's great.
And it, it wasn't the best movieever, me, but I just love it.
Yeah.
And he, he phoned that in, whodid Absolutely phoned it.
(34:49):
Adam
Steve (34:50):
did.
Adam Sandler.
Yeah.
Yes.
So what was the point in it tobegin with?
Was it, was it a contractualcommitment or just He just, I
think himself.
Mike (34:58):
Absolutely contractual commitment.
I don't know the exact thingsaround that one, but if you look
at all the new stuff he does onNetflix, that's contractual
commitment.
I, I don't know what thecommitment was, but it's to say
like a EOS six things, yeah.
So that's why you see it keep
Steve (35:13):
a couple, kind of the same reason John Lunan did the
rock and roll album for CapitalRecords, capital and Apple
Records.
That was just a album of coverof old fifties tunes.
And basically he said, okay, youwant my obligation here it is.
He just kind of mailed that intoo,
Mike (35:28):
It wasn't even as good as Freedom Rock.
Steve (35:30):
Oh no, no, nothing.
Nothing's played law.
But in spite of the fact that henailed that in and that was just
him kind of thumbing his noseat, at the record company, his
version of Stand By Me is stillthe greatest I've ever heard.
Better than Benny King, guy.
Anybody.
Mike (35:43):
Okay.
That's cool.
Well, okay.
I'm gonna thumb my nose at youand I'm better than anybody
that's ever done it.
So Good.
Steve (35:51):
But there, there are other examples.
Getting back again, we we'rereally getting off track now,
but I
Mike (35:55):
like getting off track.
Steve (35:56):
It's funny.
Yeah.
It's not a bad thing.
Content is content, right?
As long as, long as somebody'slistening, I'm sure there's
somebody out there that like,
Mike (36:03):
we had three, we three or four people over 10 listeners
just, just stopped.
Well, we're on
Steve (36:07):
episode three.
I would think you have at leastfour by now.
I hope they're all family, I'msure, but at least we have them.
You remember the movie FrightNight?
Mike (36:18):
What do I know about Fright aid?
I think I've seen that,
Steve (36:21):
that was kind of a campy tongue in cheek comedy.
I, I remember, and RoddyMcDowell was in it.
He was the, he was the latenight movie host that got canned
and a real vampire moved in nextto the kid, and, and he, nobody
would believe him.
God, you remember that one?
Mike (36:34):
I, I know I've seen it.
It was a long time ago.
Steve (36:37):
Well, it, it was great.
The original was great.
You should, you should reengagewith that.
I
Mike (36:40):
think you told me that.
And I, and I hadn't gone back.
Steve (36:43):
They did a remake of that and it, and, Colin Farrell, I
believe was the guy who playedthe, the kid part, I think.
And it was terrible.
How
Mike (36:51):
long ago was that?
Steve (36:51):
A kid?
That was 10 years ago maybe.
And do
Mike (36:55):
it for Colin 10 years ago.
Steve (36:56):
Mm-hmm.
Maybe it wasn't Colin Farrell.
Oh, it might be 20 years ago hedid that.
It might it.
Okay.
20 years ago,
Mike (37:02):
bye.
10 years ago now.
Steve (37:04):
Yeah, maybe he was older than that.
Tom goes by so fast for me now.
I'm not sure.
But yeah, the remake wasterrible.
The Fog Steve, the classic, JohnCarpenter movie with Jamie Lee.
Okay.
Mike (37:15):
If you put, Adrian Barbo in any movie, I'm watching it.
Steve (37:18):
You're watching it.
And that was probably the, atleast for me personally, I think
that was, that was the top ofher career.
She was very good in that, and,and she was, I.
Mike (37:28):
I think that's when you did work at the theater.
I got in free and watched thatmovie.
Steve (37:32):
Could be, yeah.
As a matter of the fog did playwhile I was there, but they
remade that movie too with the,with the guy.
I think his name is Tom, TomWest or something like that.
The guy who was the star ofSmallville played the young
Superman.
And it was, I know of,
Mike (37:47):
I know of it.
I never watched it.
Steve (37:48):
Yeah.
I watched, I watched the wholeseries on DVD and it, it, and
the series was okay.
It was filler stuff.
It was okay, and this guy isokay too, but that remake was
terrible.
The, remake of Footloose thatnever should have been done
Mike (38:02):
footloose.
So I'd be curious of, like, atthis point, I'm sure there are
no young listeners listening tous in any way, shape, or form.
I hope you would because, wehave a good perspective on all
of it.
But, I'd be curious if.
Younger listeners know anythingabout the original Footloose.
'cause I thought that was agreat movie.
Steve (38:22):
It was a very good movie and I kind of tried to resist it
when it was originally outbecause it wasn't, I did too.
I didn't, it wasn't, it wasn't
Mike (38:30):
cool
Steve (38:31):
For our age being guys, movies like Footloose and
Saturday Night Fever were notcool.
You don't go to that.
And they're both great movies.
Mike (38:38):
Totally agree.
Totally agree.
Steve (38:42):
If you do go to it, you don't tell anybody.
And if you listen to the B Gees,you don't tell anybody that
either, but it turned up begreat.
Mike (38:47):
Say what?
What'd you do this weekend?
You don't say, I went toFootloose.
Yeah,
Steve (38:52):
that's right.
And if you did go to Footloose,you better have had a date.
Mike (38:56):
Actually, ah man, my girlfriend made me go to this
movie.
I don't even remember what it'scalled.
Steve (39:01):
Here, here's one that's a little bit more obscure.
You may remember it I'm sure notmany people will, but Escape to
Witch Mountain, that was a liveaction Disney movie.
Oh my God.
Was that, was that the, theFamily Affair kid?
No, it was the, it was theyoung, oh, Kyle Richards, the
girl was Kyle Rich, KyleRichards.
No, I,
Mike (39:21):
I can picture the girl, I had no idea
Steve (39:23):
what her and Eddie played.
The guy who had the camper andgot him back.
Green Acres, man, We saw thatmovie when we went to visit
friends in Richmond and we werethere for the weekend over
Easter and we all went to themovies together.
Mike (39:33):
But why are you bringing this up?
You're dating us.
We've lost I know.
Hundred 40 years
Steve (39:39):
old now.
I, that movie.
I still do.
They made a, they did a remakeof that with the Rock, and it
was garbage.
Hold on.
Mike (39:46):
Wait a
Steve (39:46):
minute.
Mike (39:47):
I did not know that.
Yeah, they made, they remadeescape the witch mountain.
Yeah.
Steve (39:54):
Well, not really, because that kinda goes back to the
point I made before where it's,it's relatively, little known
material that could be somethingfantastic doing it today, but
they didn't do a good job.
It made remake,
Mike (40:05):
but it drives me bananas soup.
That's exactly what thisepisode's about.
Can't you do somethinginteresting and original?
I mean, come on that.
Are we gonna see Candle Shoe?
Is that coming out next year?
Steve (40:20):
I, I might give that a shot if it did.
I like the original
Mike (40:24):
and that is the guy from Family Fair, I think, isn't it?
Steve (40:28):
That was Jody Foster.
Mike (40:29):
No.
And, No.
Jody Foster was, yeah, you'reright.
That was, that was, that wascandle shoot.
Yep.
Maybe I'm thinking of Sigmund ina sea monsters zone.
Steve (40:40):
Now that gets us in, now we're into the Disney realm.
And, and you've talked aboutDisney before and,
Mike (40:46):
I have some things about Disney.
Steve (40:47):
Yeah, I think I know what you're gonna say, but go ahead.
I can get you started withanother remake.
They did a live action remake ofDumbo, about in 2019.
God, I don't know why they didit.
Oh God.
Oh God.
But now I'm gonna give the stageto you now, because I know this
really gets into your crawl.
Mike (41:00):
Well, I got a, I got a lot of things around this, and it is
not just Disney.
Okay.
So a live remake of Dumbo.
Yeah.
So I, I'll play devil's advocatehere a little bit.
That is a very classic tale.
Yeah.
Right.
And one of Disney's.
So maybe there's some merit toremaking something around that
(41:23):
one.
Okay.
Yeah.
And what is that?
The elephant with tears mm-hmm.
The flying elephant over theyears, all that.
But we realize that you have aspecial skill and, you know,
cool.
Love.
The other ones, I think what youwere pointing me towards, I
don't, are they Disney?
Like, I think Lilo and Stitch isDisney.
Yeah.
Is train your drag?
(41:44):
How to train your dragon Disney?
I'm not sure.
It might not be, what we'reseeing now in, in the market
right this minute is the liveaction remakes of, yeah, I won't
even call'em classic cartoons.
They were cartoons 15 years ago.
Maybe a little more than 10.
Mm-hmm.
10, maybe 12 years ago when mykids were younger.
(42:06):
Yeah.
It's one of those things where you take your kids to see
a movie and they put some, like,Easter eggs in for the adults,
so you're not completely like,why am I here?
You're not just there for yourkids.
You got a little entertainmentout of it.
Right, right, right.
And now already they're notcontinuing the story, they're
just redoing it.
Yeah.
In a different format.
(42:27):
Exactly.
And it's the exact samedialogue, and that is the
formula that you were talkingabout that's just gonna make'em,
they put it through the AImachine and said, if we do this,
we'll make this much money.
Let's do it.
Steve (42:41):
Yeah.
That's exactly it.
And Disney goes to that well alot.
I was looking at a, I waslooking at somebody's YouTube
video.
I can't remember the guy who heis.
He may be nobody of anyconsequence really.
I don't know.
But he was talking about thatthis YouTube video came from
2020 or 21, and at that time hehad said there were already nine
(43:02):
animated classics of Disney thathad been remade in the live
action format.
And that was.
Four or five years ago, we knowat least one more has been done.
And that's, snow White in theSecond Wars.
So they keep going back to that.
Well over and over again.
Mike (43:15):
So I'm wondering, now that we've getting towards the end of
our rant, I guess, what are wearguing against?
I mean, they're gonna makemoney.
Right.
Yeah.
As
Steve (43:29):
long as, as long as there's money to be made,
they're not gonna care how muchwe complain because people will
keep going.
Mike (43:33):
So I think what we want, we want more creativity, is that
what we're saying?
Steve (43:42):
Yeah.
Okay.
Creativity.
I, think I would just, I wouldjust like to see where they put
more effort into it.
The stuff I'll watch over andover again.
It looks to me like there's nota lot of effort put into what,
what they're doing.
That's, I would like to see somekind of crafting.
That's a point I wanna see acrafting.
Mike (43:56):
Maybe that's what it is.
I think you nailed it rightthere.
Put some effort into it in thejob that you have taken upon
yourself to entertain us, andwe're glad for you to make money
and make it a business and dowhat you gotta do.
I'll pay my share to getentertained.
Can you make it interesting forme?
Steve (44:17):
Yeah.
just don't throw it, just don'tthrow it out there and put it up
on the screen when you know thatwe're gonna see it, know that
you probably haven't even seenit yourself, that's a good
point.
Mike (44:27):
I wanted to fit this in and this is probably like, uh,
I'm, I'm slugging this in toohard'cause it's not a natural
tangent.
Go back to stories and plotswhat the hell is Star Wars
again.
There's only so many plots, somany storylines.
It's a Western.
Steve (44:43):
It is a Western, yeah.
Mike (44:45):
Instead of riding horses or riding starships, the farm
boy become cowboy.
Yeah, the cowboy out there, thatis, you know, a rule breaker,
I'll give a couple props aroundthat, franchise that Disney
bought and what they'recontinuing with, some of it is
so campy.
First off that some of theseoffshoots of shows and what have
(45:05):
you, I just can't take.
Mm-hmm.
But.
If anybody hasn't watched and orwatch it, awesome, awesome
series.
I
Steve (45:13):
watched the first two episodes and I really liked it.
I'll continue to watch thatthrough all the way through.
It
Mike (45:17):
is a true spy thriller set in the Star Wars theme without
the campiness.
Steve (45:23):
I actually had Star Wars, the original Star Wars.
What it was it actually called aNew Hope.
I think the first one was calledA New Hope.
Yeah.
New
Mike (45:29):
Hope.
Well, the episode four.
Yes, episode four.
Steve (45:34):
I did have that on my list of stuff that should never
be touched as far as beingremade.
You can't remake that.
I mean, you can do, like you'retalking about like they made the
Western in, in space.
They could, they could take thatkind of aspect from it, but they
can't remake it.
Remake Star Wars under thatname.
Again?
Mike (45:48):
No, no.
If they did that, I think theywould fail immensely.
Steve (45:52):
The only Star Wars stuff I've seen that I, I've truly not
liked were the second threemovies, which is really the
first three stories.
The
Mike (45:58):
worst, campiest, things I've ever seen in my life.
What
Steve (46:01):
was the, what was the banks thing or whatever that
thing was called?
Mike (46:04):
Jaja Banks.
I want them to remake that and Iwant Jaja to come out with his.
Addiction that doesn't, thatthat doesn't gel with any kind
of population on earth and Iwant somebody to pull out a
laser and blast him in the firstscene as soon as he shows up.
Steve (46:22):
That never made any sense to me.
That was like taking his StarWars, plot and throwing a Jim
Henson Muppet into it.
Why?
Why do you do that?
Mike (46:31):
There's the latest one, I forgot what it's called, and it
has, the English actor in it.
And I think it's the sameEnglish actor that I forgot two
episodes ago that I couldn'tremember his name either.
But, he's in it and I gave it a,gave it a chance because of him
and, it's just all Muppets.
Oh, you talking about Jude
Steve (46:49):
Law again?
Mike (46:49):
Yeah, Jude Law.
Yeah.
Okay.
Why can't I remember that guy?
He leaves a very poor impressionon me.
Apparently.
Steve (46:57):
Whenever you have that problem, just call me and say
that English actor and I'll justrespond.
Jude Law.
How's that?
Mike (47:01):
You should do that for now on.
Yes, because the ones that Ilike, I remember, I don't have
anything against him.
I think he's pretty good at alot of things he does, but I
just can't remember his name.
Alright, so, let me see.
I thought I had a couple otherthings.
The Star Wars thing was onething I wanted to bring up.
(47:22):
I didn't go into storylines.
There's a finite, number ofstorylines.
I won't go into that here, Idon't think it's a limit.
Like we can't do anythingdifferent.
There is nothing different thanYeah.
Very, basic plots andstorylines.
The only thing they can dodifferent is the backdrops of
it.
Right?
So put Western in space, starWars, and the only thing they
(47:43):
can do to make it good is likewhat you said is dialogue and
writing.
Steve (47:49):
Right, right.
Yeah.
Just, just break a sweat.
I'm gonna ask you to recreategreatness.
Just break a sweat and put aneffort into it.
That's all.
Mike (47:56):
I agree.
Don't, don't put it in chat GPTand have it make your movie for
you.
Steve (48:02):
Right,
Mike (48:03):
exactly.
Alright, so what do you think?
Did we, exhaust this enough?
We're we're hanging on to onelistener maybe now.
Steve (48:10):
Yeah.
I don't know if that's mydaughter or yours, but at least
we've got one.
Mike (48:18):
The brother's, how, what the hell is this?
They're all over the place.
Steve (48:23):
Yeah.
Just keep going.
Sooner or later somebody willpick up and like it.
Mike (48:26):
I think it will happen.
So the one thing I will ask, andwe haven't done this in the
previous episodes, is, please,if you're listening to this on
whatever platform you'relistening to, like us, it's not
that hard.
Click on it like us.
It helps to keep us deliveringcontent, we'll probably do it
anyway.
Because we like doing it, but ifthere's a way that we could put
(48:48):
more effort into this and lesseffort into our day jobs, we
would love it.
Steve (48:55):
Honesty is the best policy.
Mike (48:56):
Absolutely.
Steve (48:59):
that about it.
Mike (49:00):
I think that's about it.
I appreciate everybody tuningin.
I appreciate everybodylistening.
Steve, you have an outro for us,
Steve (49:06):
Just to say thanks again for listening and I hope you
will do it again next time.
It shouldn't be too long, andI've, I have heard that, most
podcasts don't make it past 30episodes.
Well, we're gonna make it past30 episodes.
It might be 31 or 32, but we'regonna get there.
So keep listening and well keeploose along.
Mike (49:23):
And you know what, we'll just keep putting episodes out
there.
We might get the 500, but itdoesn't mean we made it.
Steve (49:29):
Yeah, that's right.
That's right.
We'll keep doing it until wereach somebody.
Mike (49:33):
Yes.
Alright, Mike.
Alright.
Thanks everybody.
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