September 24, 2025 • 27 mins
The murder of Charlie Kirk has awakened a sleeping giant in the Christian community. After a year and a half away from podcasting, this powerful return episode dives deep into the spiritual battle raging around us and what it means for believers in today's polarized world.
Scripture provides our foundation as we explore Isaiah 5:20-21, which warns against calling evil good and good evil – a prophetic caution that resonates profoundly in our current climate where truth is distorted and manipulated. The podcast examines Erica Kirk's extraordinary display of forgiveness toward her husband's murderer, demonstrating genuine Christian faith that flows from Jesus's own words on the cross. This forgiveness doesn't eliminate consequences but releases the forgiver from bitterness and reflects the spiritual maturity believers should aspire to.
A crucial revelation emerges when examining the disappointing reactions of many Christians to former President Trump's admission that he struggles to forgive his enemies. The misplaced expectation that political leaders should provide perfect spiritual guidance misunderstands both Trump's role and God's consistent pattern of working through flawed individuals. From Moses to Paul, scripture reveals that God routinely accomplishes His purposes through imperfect vessels.
The spiritual war demands community engagement, not just individual faith. Empty pews represent missed opportunities to strengthen the body of Christ against very real demonic forces. The Great Commission calls us not merely to bring people to Christ but to make disciples who multiply the message. This multiplier effect is how the church grows and flourishes even in hostile environments.
Ready to honor Charlie Kirk's legacy? Start by showing up – physically in church, intellectually in pursuit of truth, and spiritually in your commitment to authentic discipleship. The path forward requires speaking truth even when unpopular and building community even when inconvenient. Join us in carrying forward what Charlie started.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Welcome.
Welcome to the Buddyford JuniorShow.
We got a lot to catch up on.
This is my first podcast in ayear and a half.
Charlie Kirk's death, hismurder, has inspired me to get
back out there and to share myjourney that I've been on for
the last five years, but inparticular the last year and a
half, as I have been putting mypodcast on the sideline in
(00:34):
addition to running myrestaurants and spending some
quality time with my family.
I've really gone down a deeppath of studying scripture, from
taking courses at HillsdaleCollege to reading literature.
That includes CS Lewis,mind-blowing and just diving
(00:56):
into the Bible and making surethat I've not only read the
Bible in its entirety, which Ihave a couple times, but really
studying the Word.
And studying the Bible Ilearned there's a difference
between reading it and studyingit.
So, in the spirit of and in hisjust, unapologetic faith, I am
(01:22):
stepping forward myself and wantto dive in and share my journey
, and I hope more of us do it.
Whether you get 20 listeners,200 listeners or 2,000 listeners
, if a million of us get outthere we can help advance what
Charlie has started theevangelist of our generation, a
(01:45):
completely mind-blowing31-year-old man that I've been
listening to since his inception, and watching his faith and his
wisdom just live out in frontof our eyes on video and our
ears on podcasts has just beencompletely mind-blowing to me.
(02:05):
And he's gone and he's notdoing it, which means we have to
pick up that mantle and carryit.
No one else will do it.
We need to do it.
No one else will do it.
We need to do it.
So I want to just start bydiving into a part of the
scripture.
We're going to go over EricaKirk's forgiveness of the murder
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, trump's response, which iscompletely opposite of that, and
then Christian's response toTrump as they're looking for
their spiritual leadership.
I'm going to debunk that that'snot going to happen as well as
the demonic realm just on fulldisplay before us.
(02:47):
It's biblical, it's happeningand we have got to have courage
and we have got to move forwardand we've got to speak the truth
.
We've got to speak the truth.
Charlie got murdered for thetruth.
We've got the demonic left.
I call them the demonic left.
You can go to TrumpsGonnaWincom.
That's my website.
I built during the campaign hisfirst campaign and then we
(03:09):
launched it during his secondcampaign and I really framed it
as a spiritual battle.
You hear a lot of Christianstalking about spiritual battles.
I'd like to go over that onthis podcast, not necessarily
today, but unpack it as we moveforward.
First and foremost, I just wantto read you Isaiah.
I'm blown out of the world byIsaiah, the book of Isaiah,
(03:30):
which prophesizes and just, iscompletely trying to get the
Jewish community back on theright track, back on the right
Jewish community, back on theright track, back on the right
path, back on the right Godhighway, right.
And then you have Jeremiah thatfollows that and my pastor,
scott.
He says buddy, every book'syour favorite and he's not wrong
.
Based on where I am, I do getexcited about it.
(03:52):
But this particular verse overthe last two years has really
resonated with me, and it'sIsaiah 5, 20 and 21.
This is the NIV version, theNew International Version.
Woe to those who call evil goodand good evil, who put darkness
for light and light fordarkness, who put bitter for
(04:12):
sweet and sweet for bitter.
I want to read that again.
Woe to those who call evil goodand good evil.
Does that sound familiar?
Woe to those who call evil goodand good evil.
You can see AOC, jasmineCrockett and other political
(04:33):
leaders, as well as communitymembers, including church
members, depicting Charlie Kirkas a racist and anti-Semite,
among other false claims.
That is calling good evil folks.
Now let's go further, to 521.
(04:53):
Woe to those who are wise intheir own eyes and clever in
their own sight.
Those same people that Imentioned AOC, jasmine, crockett
, the squad and other politicalleaders are believing on their
own wisdom without going andlistening to Charlie Kirk.
Folks, listen, that is demonic.
(05:14):
This is a spiritual battle andI want to explain what that
means in a minute.
But here's the deal.
Charlie Kirk is one person.
Instead of all the bombardmentswe got over the past four years
, we finally have one lie thatwe can dive into.
(05:35):
Go out there and listen toCharlie Kirk's podcasts.
Watch his videos.
Black men are standing up forhim.
For those of you that arelistening to this that you think
Charlie Kirk is a racist,you're wrong.
You're going to be on the wrongside of history, but I'm afraid
you're also going to be on thewrong side of this spiritual
(05:55):
battle, wrong side of history,but I'm afraid you're also going
to be on the wrong side of thisspiritual battle.
Charlie Kirk was not a racist.
Charlie Kirk did not have aproblem with the civil rights
movement.
Let me back up real quick whenI say he didn't have a problem
with the civil rights movement.
What I mean is he specificallyhas a problem that today people
are using the civil rightsmovement that was for the black
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communities as a method ofgetting their own rights.
For transgender athletes, forexample, in women's sports, men
competing women's sports areusing the 1965 civil rights
movement for their agenda.
That's the problem we had withit, and you are getting the
wrong information and you'regetting sound bites, a number of
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issues that have been umsoundtracked for the purpose of
manipulation, which is demonic,which I just read in isaiah 20
and 21.
Now let me pivot.
Let me pivot to the memorial ofCharlie Kirk and Erica Kirk's
forgiveness of Charlie'smurderer and what that means to
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the Christian world.
Okay, listen, this has beenCharlie.
He wanted to save young men,just like the one who took his
life.
That young man, that young man,that young man On the cross,
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our Savior said Father, forgivethem, for they not know what
they do.
That man, that man, that youngman, I forgive him.
(08:05):
Wow, that is powerful.
Now, just because you forgivesomebody doesn't mean it's
forgotten, doesn't mean theydon't face judgment.
Forgiveness is for the sake ofour own, our own spiritual soul,
(08:28):
our own spiritual journey andfor our own relationship with
Jesus and our creator.
Matthew 18, 23 to 35 dives intothis.
For those who, for those whoare forgiven much by God, must
also forgive.
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And then Peter asked Christ aquestion about how much to
forgive.
He goes is seven times enough.
Right Is seven times enough.
No, it's not.
It's not.
I mean, we have to forgive andforgive, and forgive and forgive
.
Jesus ties forgiveness to love.
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He who is forgiven little loveslittle.
That's Luke 7.47.
I don't want to bore everyoneout there with biblical quotes,
but this is a demonic spiritualbattle and we have to understand
them.
Jesus reveals that God's natureis merciful and forgiving,
which is Luke 15, 11 and 32.
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Forgiveness breaks the cycle.
Instead of vengeance andbitterness, forgiveness frees
both the wronged and theoffender.
Matthew 5, 38 and 48.
Okay, that is an incrediblespiritual connection that Erica
Kirk has with her creator.
That's an incredible lesson forthe world.
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Okay, I don't have that.
I don't have that level ofdepth at this stage of my
journey.
I don't.
Trump then gets on and he says Ican't forgive my enemies.
Ben gets on and he says I can'tforgive my enemies, and I've
talked to pastors and Christiansin the past 24 hours that are
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taking major, major offense tothat, and I've been into debates
.
I'm blown out of the water thatwe continue to look to Trump
for spiritual guidance.
Folks, it's not going to happen.
We need to guide Trumpspiritually.
Trump is not the leader of ourspiritual journey, he's the
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leader of the free world.
Trump is in the world ofpolitics.
He is somebody who believes inJesus Christ, who is not as deep
as Erica, as Charlie.
We need to lead Trump andpastors are hearing it from the
parishioners what's wrong withour president?
He's going to lose me.
Folks, do not look to thepresident for a spiritual
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leadership.
It's not going to happen.
That's not Trump's job.
We have pastors for that.
We have group leaders for that.
We have priests for that.
We have rabbis for that.
We have group leaders for that.
We have priests for that.
We have rabbis for that.
They are our spiritual guiders,not the president of the United
States.
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So we need to move on from ourfeelings of Trump and our
expectations of his holy moments.
He's a bridge.
He is the bridge we're going toget spiritual.
You've got JD Vance, you've gotMarco Rubio, you've got Peter
Hessek.
These people are all youngerand experiencing their own
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spiritual revival and their ownspiritual awakenings.
They will take our country downthat path.
Trump is the bridge between theworld of politics and the
kingdom of heaven.
He's the bridge.
God does not use perfect people.
It's all over the Bible.
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Chat, bbt it, gbt it, whateveryou want to call it.
Ask AI what are examples ofimperfect people that Jesus
Christ and that the Lord hasused in the Old and New
Testament for the sake of hiskingdom?
Moses was a murderer, amurderer.
He murdered an Egyptian andfled.
That's where he goes up andmeets God.
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The bush, the burning bush, etc.
Etc.
The biggest author of the NewTestament, the Apostle Paul
Catholics call him St Paul, paul, the follower of Jesus, the
author who was called Saul whenhe met him he met him on the
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road to Damascus and blinded himwas a murderer of Christians,
of the Jewish community that wasconverting to Christianity.
He hunted them down, draggedthem to imprisonment at best and
murdered them at worst.
And he is the largest author ofthe New Testament.
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That's who God uses.
So stop looking for perfection,stop apologizing for Trump.
Trump is where he needs to beexactly where the Lord wants him
, and the Lord will absolutelyreveal himself to Donald Trump
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at the Lord's timing, not ours.
I'm glad we got that behind usbecause I tell you it's just
been completely mind blowing onhow many people are just looking
for Trump for spiritualguidance.
It's not going to happen.
Let's pivot the conversation toour own communities, our own
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Christian church communitiesthat are completely turned
upside down and, to use anon-Christian word, pissed off
that pastors are honoringCharlie Kirk because they
believe him to be racist Folks.
Isaiah, just because you're aChristian doesn't mean you don't
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fall victim to Isaiah 5.20 and5.21.
The Jews fell.
The chosen people fell victimto Isaiah 5, 20, 21.
If we think we can't asChristians, we're out of our
minds.
Woe to those who call evil goodand good evil, who put darkness
before light and light beforedarkness and who put bitter for
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sweet and sweet for bitter.
And, more importantly, woe tothose who are wise in their own
eyes, who are clever in theirown eyes, who are clever in
their own sight.
They're relying on their owndiscernment and they're not
diving in to Charlie's actualwords.
This is a major problem for ourcountry, for our world and being
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socialized in 10 years, whichis something I've been saying
for the last five, is a betteroutcome I can't believe I'm
saying this than the path we'retruly on.
That I'm completely blown outof the water by.
We are on a path of living inGenesis, chapter 6, where we're
just these evil, demonicthinking beings that the Lord's
fed up with.
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Just these evil, demonicthinking beings that the Lord's
fed up with.
However, he finds favor in Noahand Noah builds the ark.
The Lord sends the flood.
Well, I don't know who theLord's going to find favor in to
save us again, I don't know howfar and how dark we're going to
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get before we realize howdemonic and how spiritual this
battle is.
And we need to start going tochurch.
We need to start speaking thetruth of society and of what's
happening, and of where ourcivilization is weak, where
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we're tearing each other down,where communities are being
destroyed by who and why.
We need to be real about that.
We need to confront thespiritual battle and calling
Charlie Kirk racist thespiritual battle, and calling
charlie kirk racist, you're onthe wrong side of the spiritual
battle.
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Even if you go to church,you're still on the wrong side
of the spiritual battle the, theconversations I'm having with
congregants and pastors, andbeing attacked over honoring
charlie kirk.
It's very, I'm very scared,very nervous.
So, folks, those of you who seethe good in Charlie, that know
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the truth about Charlie, moreimportantly, the truth about
what he spoke and not the soundbites we need your help.
We need you in church.
We'll have a relationship withGod.
It's not about you and yourrelationship with God.
It's great if it's about ourcommunity and our country and
our world.
Why do we need you in church?
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Why do we need to not justfocus on our personal
relationship, but we have to bein community with each other?
Because the demonic realm, thespiritual battle, is real and
fallen angels are real.
Revelation 7, I'm sorry,revelations 12, 7 through 9.
Chapter 12, verse 7 through 9goes over the falling angels and
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then the other angels thatfollowed Satan in the rebellion
against God.
Satan's status and his role iscovered in Ephesians 2, 2, 2,
john 12, 31.
Then the nature of the demonicrealm is ephesians 6 12 and
colossians 1 13.
It's there's, by the way,there's a list there's.
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It goes on and on and on.
The defeat of of the demonicrealm, christ's authority.
Jesus repeatedly casted outdemons, showing his power over
them.
That's Mark 123-27.
If the demonic realm wasn'treal, why would Jesus have
authority?
Why would he need authority?
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The cross and resurrection.
Colossians 2.15 states thatChrist disarmed the rulers of
authorities triumphing over thecross.
Final judgment Revelations20.10, describes a final destiny
for Satan he loses.
The devil is a liar, he's acheat and he's a thief and he
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has his fallen angels that walkamong us, that manipulate us.
That's why we need to betogether as a community, that's
why we need to go to church, andthat's what Charlie's goal was.
I keep hearing people say belike Charlie, let's be great
husbands.
Folks, charlie was not a greathusband because he was a good
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man.
Charlie was a great husbandbecause he was a Christian,
because he read the Bible,because he sacrificed himself
for Jesus, because he gave hissoul to Jesus.
When I say sacrifice, I meanhis desires, his carrying of the
cross.
He surrendered to Jesus Christ.
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He had a pastor, a minister.
That was his spiritual guide,that was his counsel.
Charlie Kirk didn't say I havea relationship with God and
Jesus.
I'm fine at home, I wake up, Ihave my cup of coffee, I watch
the birds fly, and that's myrelationship with God.
We're not going to win thespiritual battle that's outlined
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in the Bible with that behavior.
First of all, do we go see ourbrothers, our sisters, our sons,
our daughters, our nieces, ournephews?
Do we go watch their basketballgames, their baseball games,
their tennis matches, theirfootball games?
Why?
To support them?
To football games?
Why, to support them?
We need to be in the pews onSundays to support the godly
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kingdom builders that are doingthe work Monday through Saturday
.
We have to motivate them bysitting in those pews and those
seats and showing our love, ourhonor and our respect for them.
It's time we have to fill thechairs, the pews.
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For my Jewish friends that areoff for Rosh Hashanah, which is
today, you need to go to thesynagogue.
No more fake practicing of ourfaith.
The real deal, holy field, iswhat is necessary to defeat the
demonic realm, to defeat therace war, to solve our political
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problems, to be like Charlieand have great marriages.
That all has something incommon.
That's necessary.
The Bible, the community thatreads it and the leaders that
preach it.
That's what's necessary.
The Bible, the community thatreads it together and the
preachers that preach it.
That's what we need as asociety and that's what Charlie
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wanted.
He said on his deathbed well,I'm sorry, not his deathbed he
said when he was in a podcast.
In fact, here it is.
He described the one thing hewants to be known for is his
faith in Jesus Christ.
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Not a great dad, not a greathusband.
It's not what he said, becauseCharlie knew the common
denominator for what his goalwas, which is to get people to
Christ and, ultimately, to saveour nation.
The one thing that would do itall was Jesus Christ.
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Was the Bible we're a Christiannation Judeo-Christian values
that we need to get back to?
Was the Bible we're a Christiannation Judean Christian values
that we need to get back to?
We need to stop apologizing forour faith.
We need to stop beingembarrassed.
I mean, god, forgive us forbeing a reservoir, holding this
knowledge to ourself and havingthis one-way relationship.
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The Great Commission I actuallylearned it, you know.
I always thought the GreatCommission was to turn people to
Christ, and I had lunch todaywith friends of ours, robbie and
Lisa, who are full-timemissionaries.
They were leaders in our church.
He got the calling, soldeverything and they're on
full-time missions.
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He said, buddy, and I said youknow, what do you do on these
missions?
In fact, I'm going to do apodcast with him.
I said what do you do on thesemissions?
He goes we invite people toChrist, we make disciples.
Because, buddy, the GreatCommission was not to bring
people to Christ, it was to makedisciples.
Oof, why?
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Because disciples bring moreand more people to Christ.
That's the gremlin effect.
Remember gremlins?
When you pop the water on them,they multiplied.
That's the multiplier.
Disciples, not just believers,but people so on fire for the
word, so on fire for Jesus, thatthey want to go tell more
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people and they want thosepeople to help get more people.
We need to motivate thesepeople, we need to inspire these
people and believe it or not, asimple act of showing up and
sitting there for a service hasan incredible, incredible impact
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and we're probably going tohave to replace a lot of
congregants that are believingI'm sorry that are living Isaiah
.
520 and 21.
Because there's a good chunk ofthem, folks.
520 and 21.
Because there's a good chunk ofthem, folks, and they're
telling lies, they're believinglies about Charlie Kirk being a
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racist.
So, folks, I don't know if thefuture of the church is a
dilution of the truth or leaninginto the truth.
It's going to be a tough timefor our pastors and our
spiritual leaders to pick, Iwon't say a side, but I'll say
to really discern, because wedon't want to turn people away
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from Christ.
We want to love on everyone,but if we have people in our
churches that don't believe thetruth, then I don't know what it
is.
So the future of our nation,the future of our race relations
which is ridiculous that wekeep seeing each other in colors
(24:58):
and in political parties, butthat is the work of the devil
and if we're going to undo thatwork, we need a great commission
of our own and we have got tobe the ones out there creating
disciples of men and women.
That's the only answer.
That's where we start andthat's how we honor Charlie Kirk
(25:19):
.
I did a video on TikTok.
I said be Charlie.
Someone commented be Jesus.
And I said amen, of course.
But right now, folks, I'm goingto put it in a workout sense,
because I go to the gym a lot.
You don't walk in benching 405pounds.
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That takes years to get to.
You start off with realisticgoals and as much as I want to
be jesus, it just sounds so hardand impossible, even after
diving into the word as much asI have over the last five years,
in particular, getting very,very educated over the last two.
Right now, I just want to belike Charlie, and then I'll take
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it from there.
In order to be like Charlie, wegot to show up to church.
We've got to donate our time,our financial resources,
whatever we have to help buildit, and we have got to talk the
truth.
Get to church and don't takethe bait.
Welcome.
Welcome to the Buddyford JuniorShow.
We got a lot to catch up on.
This is my first podcast in ayear and a half.
Charlie Kirk's death, hismurder, has inspired me to get
back out there and to share myjourney that I've been on for
the last five years, but inparticular the last year and a
half, as I have been putting mypodcast on the sideline in
(00:34):
addition to running myrestaurants and spending some
quality time with my family.
I've really gone down a deeppath of studying scripture, from
taking courses at HillsdaleCollege to reading literature.
That includes CS Lewis,mind-blowing and just diving
(00:56):
into the Bible and making surethat I've not only read the
Bible in its entirety, which Ihave a couple times, but really
studying the Word.
And studying the Bible Ilearned there's a difference
between reading it and studyingit.
So, in the spirit of and in hisjust, unapologetic faith, I am
(01:22):
stepping forward myself and wantto dive in and share my journey
, and I hope more of us do it.
Whether you get 20 listeners,200 listeners or 2,000 listeners
, if a million of us get outthere we can help advance what
Charlie has started theevangelist of our generation, a
(01:45):
completely mind-blowing31-year-old man that I've been
listening to since his inception, and watching his faith and his
wisdom just live out in frontof our eyes on video and our
ears on podcasts has just beencompletely mind-blowing to me.
(02:05):
And he's gone and he's notdoing it, which means we have to
pick up that mantle and carryit.
No one else will do it.
We need to do it.
No one else will do it.
We need to do it.
So I want to just start bydiving into a part of the
scripture.
We're going to go over EricaKirk's forgiveness of the murder
(02:26):
, trump's response, which iscompletely opposite of that, and
then Christian's response toTrump as they're looking for
their spiritual leadership.
I'm going to debunk that that'snot going to happen as well as
the demonic realm just on fulldisplay before us.
(02:47):
It's biblical, it's happeningand we have got to have courage
and we have got to move forwardand we've got to speak the truth
.
We've got to speak the truth.
Charlie got murdered for thetruth.
We've got the demonic left.
I call them the demonic left.
You can go to TrumpsGonnaWincom.
That's my website.
I built during the campaign hisfirst campaign and then we
(03:09):
launched it during his secondcampaign and I really framed it
as a spiritual battle.
You hear a lot of Christianstalking about spiritual battles.
I'd like to go over that onthis podcast, not necessarily
today, but unpack it as we moveforward.
First and foremost, I just wantto read you Isaiah.
I'm blown out of the world byIsaiah, the book of Isaiah,
(03:30):
which prophesizes and just, iscompletely trying to get the
Jewish community back on theright track, back on the right
Jewish community, back on theright track, back on the right
path, back on the right Godhighway, right.
And then you have Jeremiah thatfollows that and my pastor,
scott.
He says buddy, every book'syour favorite and he's not wrong
.
Based on where I am, I do getexcited about it.
(03:52):
But this particular verse overthe last two years has really
resonated with me, and it'sIsaiah 5, 20 and 21.
This is the NIV version, theNew International Version.
Woe to those who call evil goodand good evil, who put darkness
for light and light fordarkness, who put bitter for
(04:12):
sweet and sweet for bitter.
I want to read that again.
Woe to those who call evil goodand good evil.
Does that sound familiar?
Woe to those who call evil goodand good evil.
You can see AOC, jasmineCrockett and other political
(04:33):
leaders, as well as communitymembers, including church
members, depicting Charlie Kirkas a racist and anti-Semite,
among other false claims.
That is calling good evil folks.
Now let's go further, to 521.
(04:53):
Woe to those who are wise intheir own eyes and clever in
their own sight.
Those same people that Imentioned AOC, jasmine, crockett
, the squad and other politicalleaders are believing on their
own wisdom without going andlistening to Charlie Kirk.
Folks, listen, that is demonic.
(05:14):
This is a spiritual battle andI want to explain what that
means in a minute.
But here's the deal.
Charlie Kirk is one person.
Instead of all the bombardmentswe got over the past four years
, we finally have one lie thatwe can dive into.
(05:35):
Go out there and listen toCharlie Kirk's podcasts.
Watch his videos.
Black men are standing up forhim.
For those of you that arelistening to this that you think
Charlie Kirk is a racist,you're wrong.
You're going to be on the wrongside of history, but I'm afraid
you're also going to be on thewrong side of this spiritual
(05:55):
battle, wrong side of history,but I'm afraid you're also going
to be on the wrong side of thisspiritual battle.
Charlie Kirk was not a racist.
Charlie Kirk did not have aproblem with the civil rights
movement.
Let me back up real quick whenI say he didn't have a problem
with the civil rights movement.
What I mean is he specificallyhas a problem that today people
are using the civil rightsmovement that was for the black
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communities as a method ofgetting their own rights.
For transgender athletes, forexample, in women's sports, men
competing women's sports areusing the 1965 civil rights
movement for their agenda.
That's the problem we had withit, and you are getting the
wrong information and you'regetting sound bites, a number of
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issues that have been umsoundtracked for the purpose of
manipulation, which is demonic,which I just read in isaiah 20
and 21.
Now let me pivot.
Let me pivot to the memorial ofCharlie Kirk and Erica Kirk's
forgiveness of Charlie'smurderer and what that means to
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the Christian world.
Okay, listen, this has beenCharlie.
He wanted to save young men,just like the one who took his
life.
That young man, that young man,that young man On the cross,
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our Savior said Father, forgivethem, for they not know what
they do.
That man, that man, that youngman, I forgive him.
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Wow, that is powerful.
Now, just because you forgivesomebody doesn't mean it's
forgotten, doesn't mean theydon't face judgment.
Forgiveness is for the sake ofour own, our own spiritual soul,
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our own spiritual journey andfor our own relationship with
Jesus and our creator.
Matthew 18, 23 to 35 dives intothis.
For those who, for those whoare forgiven much by God, must
also forgive.
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And then Peter asked Christ aquestion about how much to
forgive.
He goes is seven times enough.
Right Is seven times enough.
No, it's not.
It's not.
I mean, we have to forgive andforgive, and forgive and forgive
.
Jesus ties forgiveness to love.
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He who is forgiven little loveslittle.
That's Luke 7.47.
I don't want to bore everyoneout there with biblical quotes,
but this is a demonic spiritualbattle and we have to understand
them.
Jesus reveals that God's natureis merciful and forgiving,
which is Luke 15, 11 and 32.
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Forgiveness breaks the cycle.
Instead of vengeance andbitterness, forgiveness frees
both the wronged and theoffender.
Matthew 5, 38 and 48.
Okay, that is an incrediblespiritual connection that Erica
Kirk has with her creator.
That's an incredible lesson forthe world.
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Okay, I don't have that.
I don't have that level ofdepth at this stage of my
journey.
I don't.
Trump then gets on and he says Ican't forgive my enemies.
Ben gets on and he says I can'tforgive my enemies, and I've
talked to pastors and Christiansin the past 24 hours that are
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taking major, major offense tothat, and I've been into debates
.
I'm blown out of the water thatwe continue to look to Trump
for spiritual guidance.
Folks, it's not going to happen.
We need to guide Trumpspiritually.
Trump is not the leader of ourspiritual journey, he's the
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leader of the free world.
Trump is in the world ofpolitics.
He is somebody who believes inJesus Christ, who is not as deep
as Erica, as Charlie.
We need to lead Trump andpastors are hearing it from the
parishioners what's wrong withour president?
He's going to lose me.
Folks, do not look to thepresident for a spiritual
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leadership.
It's not going to happen.
That's not Trump's job.
We have pastors for that.
We have group leaders for that.
We have priests for that.
We have rabbis for that.
We have group leaders for that.
We have priests for that.
We have rabbis for that.
They are our spiritual guiders,not the president of the United
States.
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So we need to move on from ourfeelings of Trump and our
expectations of his holy moments.
He's a bridge.
He is the bridge we're going toget spiritual.
You've got JD Vance, you've gotMarco Rubio, you've got Peter
Hessek.
These people are all youngerand experiencing their own
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spiritual revival and their ownspiritual awakenings.
They will take our country downthat path.
Trump is the bridge between theworld of politics and the
kingdom of heaven.
He's the bridge.
God does not use perfect people.
It's all over the Bible.
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Chat, bbt it, gbt it, whateveryou want to call it.
Ask AI what are examples ofimperfect people that Jesus
Christ and that the Lord hasused in the Old and New
Testament for the sake of hiskingdom?
Moses was a murderer, amurderer.
He murdered an Egyptian andfled.
That's where he goes up andmeets God.
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The bush, the burning bush, etc.
Etc.
The biggest author of the NewTestament, the Apostle Paul
Catholics call him St Paul, paul, the follower of Jesus, the
author who was called Saul whenhe met him he met him on the
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road to Damascus and blinded himwas a murderer of Christians,
of the Jewish community that wasconverting to Christianity.
He hunted them down, draggedthem to imprisonment at best and
murdered them at worst.
And he is the largest author ofthe New Testament.
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That's who God uses.
So stop looking for perfection,stop apologizing for Trump.
Trump is where he needs to beexactly where the Lord wants him
, and the Lord will absolutelyreveal himself to Donald Trump
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at the Lord's timing, not ours.
I'm glad we got that behind usbecause I tell you it's just
been completely mind blowing onhow many people are just looking
for Trump for spiritualguidance.
It's not going to happen.
Let's pivot the conversation toour own communities, our own
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Christian church communitiesthat are completely turned
upside down and, to use anon-Christian word, pissed off
that pastors are honoringCharlie Kirk because they
believe him to be racist Folks.
Isaiah, just because you're aChristian doesn't mean you don't
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fall victim to Isaiah 5.20 and5.21.
The Jews fell.
The chosen people fell victimto Isaiah 5, 20, 21.
If we think we can't asChristians, we're out of our
minds.
Woe to those who call evil goodand good evil, who put darkness
before light and light beforedarkness and who put bitter for
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sweet and sweet for bitter.
And, more importantly, woe tothose who are wise in their own
eyes, who are clever in theirown eyes, who are clever in
their own sight.
They're relying on their owndiscernment and they're not
diving in to Charlie's actualwords.
This is a major problem for ourcountry, for our world and being
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socialized in 10 years, whichis something I've been saying
for the last five, is a betteroutcome I can't believe I'm
saying this than the path we'retruly on.
That I'm completely blown outof the water by.
We are on a path of living inGenesis, chapter 6, where we're
just these evil, demonicthinking beings that the Lord's
fed up with.
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Just these evil, demonicthinking beings that the Lord's
fed up with.
However, he finds favor in Noahand Noah builds the ark.
The Lord sends the flood.
Well, I don't know who theLord's going to find favor in to
save us again, I don't know howfar and how dark we're going to
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get before we realize howdemonic and how spiritual this
battle is.
And we need to start going tochurch.
We need to start speaking thetruth of society and of what's
happening, and of where ourcivilization is weak, where
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we're tearing each other down,where communities are being
destroyed by who and why.
We need to be real about that.
We need to confront thespiritual battle and calling
Charlie Kirk racist thespiritual battle, and calling
charlie kirk racist, you're onthe wrong side of the spiritual
battle.
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Even if you go to church,you're still on the wrong side
of the spiritual battle the, theconversations I'm having with
congregants and pastors, andbeing attacked over honoring
charlie kirk.
It's very, I'm very scared,very nervous.
So, folks, those of you who seethe good in Charlie, that know
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the truth about Charlie, moreimportantly, the truth about
what he spoke and not the soundbites we need your help.
We need you in church.
We'll have a relationship withGod.
It's not about you and yourrelationship with God.
It's great if it's about ourcommunity and our country and
our world.
Why do we need you in church?
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Why do we need to not justfocus on our personal
relationship, but we have to bein community with each other?
Because the demonic realm, thespiritual battle, is real and
fallen angels are real.
Revelation 7, I'm sorry,revelations 12, 7 through 9.
Chapter 12, verse 7 through 9goes over the falling angels and
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then the other angels thatfollowed Satan in the rebellion
against God.
Satan's status and his role iscovered in Ephesians 2, 2, 2,
john 12, 31.
Then the nature of the demonicrealm is ephesians 6 12 and
colossians 1 13.
It's there's, by the way,there's a list there's.
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It goes on and on and on.
The defeat of of the demonicrealm, christ's authority.
Jesus repeatedly casted outdemons, showing his power over
them.
That's Mark 123-27.
If the demonic realm wasn'treal, why would Jesus have
authority?
Why would he need authority?
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The cross and resurrection.
Colossians 2.15 states thatChrist disarmed the rulers of
authorities triumphing over thecross.
Final judgment Revelations20.10, describes a final destiny
for Satan he loses.
The devil is a liar, he's acheat and he's a thief and he
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has his fallen angels that walkamong us, that manipulate us.
That's why we need to betogether as a community, that's
why we need to go to church, andthat's what Charlie's goal was.
I keep hearing people say belike Charlie, let's be great
husbands.
Folks, charlie was not a greathusband because he was a good
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man.
Charlie was a great husbandbecause he was a Christian,
because he read the Bible,because he sacrificed himself
for Jesus, because he gave hissoul to Jesus.
When I say sacrifice, I meanhis desires, his carrying of the
cross.
He surrendered to Jesus Christ.
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He had a pastor, a minister.
That was his spiritual guide,that was his counsel.
Charlie Kirk didn't say I havea relationship with God and
Jesus.
I'm fine at home, I wake up, Ihave my cup of coffee, I watch
the birds fly, and that's myrelationship with God.
We're not going to win thespiritual battle that's outlined
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in the Bible with that behavior.
First of all, do we go see ourbrothers, our sisters, our sons,
our daughters, our nieces, ournephews?
Do we go watch their basketballgames, their baseball games,
their tennis matches, theirfootball games?
Why?
To support them?
To football games?
Why, to support them?
We need to be in the pews onSundays to support the godly
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kingdom builders that are doingthe work Monday through Saturday
.
We have to motivate them bysitting in those pews and those
seats and showing our love, ourhonor and our respect for them.
It's time we have to fill thechairs, the pews.
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For my Jewish friends that areoff for Rosh Hashanah, which is
today, you need to go to thesynagogue.
No more fake practicing of ourfaith.
The real deal, holy field, iswhat is necessary to defeat the
demonic realm, to defeat therace war, to solve our political
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problems, to be like Charlieand have great marriages.
That all has something incommon.
That's necessary.
The Bible, the community thatreads it and the leaders that
preach it.
That's what's necessary.
The Bible, the community thatreads it together and the
preachers that preach it.
That's what we need as asociety and that's what Charlie
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wanted.
He said on his deathbed well,I'm sorry, not his deathbed he
said when he was in a podcast.
In fact, here it is.
He described the one thing hewants to be known for is his
faith in Jesus Christ.
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Not a great dad, not a greathusband.
It's not what he said, becauseCharlie knew the common
denominator for what his goalwas, which is to get people to
Christ and, ultimately, to saveour nation.
The one thing that would do itall was Jesus Christ.
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Was the Bible we're a Christiannation Judeo-Christian values
that we need to get back to?
Was the Bible we're a Christiannation Judean Christian values
that we need to get back to?
We need to stop apologizing forour faith.
We need to stop beingembarrassed.
I mean, god, forgive us forbeing a reservoir, holding this
knowledge to ourself and havingthis one-way relationship.
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The Great Commission I actuallylearned it, you know.
I always thought the GreatCommission was to turn people to
Christ, and I had lunch todaywith friends of ours, robbie and
Lisa, who are full-timemissionaries.
They were leaders in our church.
He got the calling, soldeverything and they're on
full-time missions.
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He said, buddy, and I said youknow, what do you do on these
missions?
In fact, I'm going to do apodcast with him.
I said what do you do on thesemissions?
He goes we invite people toChrist, we make disciples.
Because, buddy, the GreatCommission was not to bring
people to Christ, it was to makedisciples.
Oof, why?
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Because disciples bring moreand more people to Christ.
That's the gremlin effect.
Remember gremlins?
When you pop the water on them,they multiplied.
That's the multiplier.
Disciples, not just believers,but people so on fire for the
word, so on fire for Jesus, thatthey want to go tell more
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people and they want thosepeople to help get more people.
We need to motivate thesepeople, we need to inspire these
people and believe it or not, asimple act of showing up and
sitting there for a service hasan incredible, incredible impact
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and we're probably going tohave to replace a lot of
congregants that are believingI'm sorry that are living Isaiah
.
520 and 21.
Because there's a good chunk ofthem, folks.
520 and 21.
Because there's a good chunk ofthem, folks, and they're
telling lies, they're believinglies about Charlie Kirk being a
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racist.
So, folks, I don't know if thefuture of the church is a
dilution of the truth or leaninginto the truth.
It's going to be a tough timefor our pastors and our
spiritual leaders to pick, Iwon't say a side, but I'll say
to really discern, because wedon't want to turn people away
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from Christ.
We want to love on everyone,but if we have people in our
churches that don't believe thetruth, then I don't know what it
is.
So the future of our nation,the future of our race relations
which is ridiculous that wekeep seeing each other in colors
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and in political parties, butthat is the work of the devil
and if we're going to undo thatwork, we need a great commission
of our own and we have got tobe the ones out there creating
disciples of men and women.
That's the only answer.
That's where we start andthat's how we honor Charlie Kirk
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.
I did a video on TikTok.
I said be Charlie.
Someone commented be Jesus.
And I said amen, of course.
But right now, folks, I'm goingto put it in a workout sense,
because I go to the gym a lot.
You don't walk in benching 405pounds.
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That takes years to get to.
You start off with realisticgoals and as much as I want to
be jesus, it just sounds so hardand impossible, even after
diving into the word as much asI have over the last five years,
in particular, getting very,very educated over the last two.
Right now, I just want to belike Charlie, and then I'll take
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it from there.
In order to be like Charlie, wegot to show up to church.
We've got to donate our time,our financial resources,
whatever we have to help buildit, and we have got to talk the
truth.
Get to church and don't takethe bait.
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