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March 23, 2025 118 mins

Episode Summary:

Frank Gatson, a legendary choreographer with a career spanning decades. Frank shares his incredible journey in the dance world, beginning with his humble beginnings in Milwaukee, where he first discovered his love for dance. He reminisces about his early experiences, including dancing in "Smooth Criminal" with Michael Jackson, working with Beyoncé throughout her solo career, and choreographing iconic performances for artists like Brandy, Rihanna, and Usher.

Frank delves into the challenges and triumphs of his career, offering valuable advice for aspiring dancers. He emphasizes the importance of humility, hard work, and perseverance in the industry. He also talks about the necessity of strong technique and how it has shaped his approach to choreography. Frank advocates for the recognition of dancers and choreographers, urging the dance community to demand respect and recognition for their contributions, particularly in award shows.

This episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to understand the journey of a successful choreographer and gain insight into the behind-the-scenes world of iconic performances.

Show Notes:


  • (0:00) – Introduction to The Business of Dance podcast

  • (1:15) – Menina introduces Frank Gatson Jr. and highlights his incredible career in the dance industry.

  • (3:30) – Frank’s early dance journey and his time with drill teams in high school.

  • (7:00) – The influence of Up with People on Frank's career and choreography style.

  • (10:30) – Frank’s experience working with Michael Jackson on the “Smooth Criminal” video.

  • (14:00) – Behind-the-scenes of creating Beyoncé’s iconic “Single Ladies” choreography.

  • (19:00) – Frank discusses his work on the intergenerational performing arts and athletic center with Brandy.

  • (23:30) – Frank’s advice for aspiring dancers, including staying true to your craft and technique.

  • (28:00) – The importance of dedication, humility, and continuous learning in the dance world.

  • (32:00) – Frank’s thoughts on overcoming obstacles and staying motivated in a competitive industry.

  • (36:00) – How to handle pressure and manage expectations when choreographing large shows.

  • (41:00) – The significance of building relationships in the dance industry.

  • (45:00) – Frank’s final advice on making a lasting impact and maintaining artistic integrity in dance.

  • (49:00) – Menina wraps up the episode, expressing gratitude for Frank’s insights and time.

Biography:

Frank Gatson Jr. is an acclaimed director and choreographer whose career was shaped by his early work with Michael Jackson on the Smooth Criminal video. He played a pivotal role in the careers of major artists like Beyoncé, Destiny’s Child, Rihanna, Brandy, En Vogue, and Mary J. Blige, directing and choreographing their music videos, tours, and live performances. His work with Beyoncé remains especially iconic.

Frank has also directed commercial campaigns for brands such as L’Oreal, Pepsi, Converse, and Reebok, and earned recognition with a 40-minute feature on The Oprah Winfrey Show. Beyond music and commercials, he managed Tyrese, Luke James, and June’s Diary.

Currently, Frank is focusing on his latest project, the Intergenerational Performing Arts & Athletics Center (IPAAC) at the YWCA Southeast Wisconsin, calling it "the most amazing moment in my life." His influence on pop culture remains profound, making him a respected figure in the entertainment industry.


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