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March 21, 2022 49 min

Excessive busyness is bad, especially when you don't have enough of it. Not gonna lie, even we at “The Busyness Paradox” didn’t see that busyness paradox coming. Two researchers in France did, however, and we’re  joined by one of them! Dr. Ioana Lupu’s recently-published study shows how our relentless pursuit of “optimal busyness” - that euphoric, Goldilocks state of productivity that exists between being underworked and overwhelmed, and always seems juuust out of reach - can lead us down the path of burnout. Tune in to hear her insights on what employers and employees can do to avoid this sad fate and share your own thoughts with us at

People, Papers and Paul’s Obscure French Film Recommendations in this Episode:

00:26 - Dr. Ioana Lupu, ESSEC Business School

00:45 - Dr. Joonas Rokka, emlyon Business School 

00:46 - Feeling in Control: Optimal Busyness and the Temporality of Organizational Controls

22:23 - Episode #22: The Efficiency Paradox

44:20 - Ressources Humaines (Human Resources)

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