July 20, 2022 • 12 mins
Kian & Yaz open up the phones and discuss how social media platforms are being pressured to stop playing rap music in Australia.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Back it up. The best moments from the week on.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Cada, Australia's hottest hip hop breakfast shop.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
It's Keenan Yez on cater Yes, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Having a look here just on the front page of
the Daily Telegraph. Yeah, I never ever ever pick up
a newspaper.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Just everyone knows.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Yeah, you walked in with one this morning. I was like,
what are you doing? This was not nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Well, I know, right, but I was walking past just
when I went to the till it came back and
I just saw this newspaper and I saw Big Cash
is an Australian hip hop artiste on the front page
of this with the headline rap on the Knuckles, And
I thought, rap on the knuckles?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
What does that mean? Yeah, I didn't understand, so I
picked it up hat a look.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Social media platforms will be asked by police to take
down aggressive rap songs and posts that they fear are
being used to fuel gang violence.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
In particular in Sydney.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
This made the front page.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
The front page.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
There's a growing concern that drill and rap music are
in flaming criminal acts, ranging from the postcode wars of
teenagers to fuel like obviously deadly feuds that's going on
between crime gains and there is, but there's no suggestion
that any artist are gang members. They're just saying that
drill music and songs in some cases are being weaponized
to basically inflame the conflict. And that was a new
(01:08):
South Wales Police Acting Assistant Commissioner Jason Weinstein.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Okay, logically speaking, the police asked, let's say Spotify, Well,
this is.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
More about social media platforms, so they can't they can't
ask for Spotify to do it.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
But it's more like if you're allowing them to post,
you know, film clips.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
So we're talking in Instagram, Yeah, YouTube? Is that social
media's YouTube? Social media?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Let's getting there.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
TikTok Yeah yeah, Facebook, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
And they just got me thinking, like, you know, this
is like a kind of a situation around nw A.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I was gonna say exactly like when back then.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
When they were starting to do gangster rap and it
became a big thing, and there was obviously the claim
of inciting violence. Now there was a massive conspiracy theory
around that that the private owners of prisons over in
the States, we're actually the ones funding gangster against a
rap in order for them to then profit profit from
(02:04):
people making crimes being influenced by the music that will
end up in prison, and then they get money from
the government for having this people. That was a conspiracy.
Not saying that's true, but that's the conspiracy behind it.
I don't think that's happening here in Australia. I don't
think that's I don't think prisons are private.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I was going to say, I actually don't know if
prisons are private or not.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
I'm not educated on that topic, but I know when
American majority are, they're not, they're public.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
But the crazy thing about this is now we're seeing
Australian hip hop is rapidly growing, insane rapidly.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
At a crazy, crazy pace.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
The amount of artists that are popping off, especially in
the drill scene. I mean that's that is the art
of the music. Though the art of the drill rap
is quite violent, but the influence from that can be
seen as a negative influence for especially teenagers growing up.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Now, well, here's here's here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Obviously a lot of rap lyrics and drill lyrics are
coming from people's real life situations. Okay, they're talking telling
their story. You can't stop someone from telling their story.
But what I think these artists need to do is,
on a separate occasion, hit up your social media, hit
up your fans, and let them know that this stuff
like like, it's not condone, it's just their it's just
(03:15):
their life. They want it, they want to share their story,
but they're not condoning it. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (03:20):
That's right?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Tell your fans it's not cool because it's not.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Well, that's what it really is.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
So I'm seeing here the big cash Eidis said that
kids promoting gang violence through drill music troubled him and
he no longer wants to live that gangster lifestyle. And
he's obviously, you know, sort of regretful in putting that together,
and he's growing up, he's maturity, doesn't want to talk
about it now.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
The other artist that's come to mind is one for Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Now, obviously there's been some history one four and the
police and one of them got locked up and that
incident that you know happened at some bar or parb
or whatever. Yeah, okay, cool, but they're obviously steering away
and they have considers to steer it away.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I don't even think they are part of a game, don't.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I don't know what the goal is with that, but
I will say that they're not a concern as much
of today. This is according to the Assistant Commissioner, but
hopefully I don't know. They just announced that they're performing
as well.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
So the Assistant commissioners said that in the article.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
In the article that they're not a concern anymore, and
also that they never stopped a concert. They were just
telling promoters all the venues that you know that our
current intelligence intelligence around certain groups meant that they had
to assess the risk for potential violence. Then there's a
risk that the promoter has to take on. Yeah, so
I'm not sure how it all worked out, but all
(04:31):
I can say and hopefully is that you know that
the violence that's apparent or apparently apparent in the hip
hop world right now in Australia, I don't even know
how you can I don't know how they can change
it or whatever. I mean, the artistry, you can't ask
like you can't ask, and it's been happening someone to
stop painting what they're painting, you know what I mean.
It's the same kind of concept, but it's just interesting
(04:54):
to see that they're now going to social media tech
giant giants to pull down this content.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Well it's interesting because just to carry off sorry there
so new Stuthals police are actually doing a bit of
a blitz on crime in Sydney particular with all the
gang lang shootings and all whatnot, which I think, I
mean technically has nothing to do with the rap world
because it's the gangland. I mean, yes, they probably just
getting too rapt to be honest, but like it's it's
it's sort of like a third party connection is what
(05:19):
they're listening to on Spotify or iHeartRadio, or what they're
watching on social media or whatever. So it's definitely an
interesting take that they're doing, being like you can't play
these types of music on the on the social media platforms.
I think in the long run it probably will help,
as you said, teenagers and whatnot getting influenced. But I
think for the people that are doing these shootings and whatnot,
they're older, they're they're already influenced. They don't need a
(05:42):
song to tell them to.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Go and shoot someone, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
I guess so, but look at look at what happened
at the east of the show in Sydney months ago,
the kids stabbed in their teenagers, So that there is
violence happening in our teens. Yeah, not sure if it's
the music that's influencing them, but there certainly is something
going on. And you know, as someone that has the
ability to talk to people, you know, we just want
to showcase love.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
I would actually want to showcase peace.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, we want to you know, make sure we push
the fact that you know, everyone is a human and
whatever behavior that occurs throughout all that. I mean, you
can't really judge on a human being, but their behavior. Unfortunately,
people end up in the lifestyle that they're in. Of course,
they don't have a choice, but you know, we'll leave
it up to the police to figure out how to
sort this one out.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
That's right, And the music is a is kind of
an out for them as well.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I just don't want to see music get pushed back
and pulled away purely because of suspicion.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
I would actually really really be curious to see statistics,
like since since drill has risen in the music scene
and the intention it's getting, I want to see if
that has actually influenced young crime rates.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Is that something that you can go off and do
for U. S.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
Grant.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
No, Okay, that's a big study to do it.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
It's a big study.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
But it's also interesting.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
You can't like ask people after they've done a stating
or a shooting and be like, hey, did you listen
to this song and think, oh, I'm going to go
do that?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Like, it's I think it's over time and it happened.
It's not just an overnight thing. It's a it's a
couple of months or a couple of years or growing
up listening to a certain type of music or a
certain artist or whatever. So it's definitely hard to collate,
but you can go.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
And have a look at that one.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, we will keep this story.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
We'll keep on top of this story and let you
know how things are panning out, because obviously everyone has
a favorite Australian music artist.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Of course, on social media is where you follow.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Them exactly right, and we'll keep on top of before
you we have GG on the phone now.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Good morning, GG, Good morning.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
How are you boys?
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Excellent?
Speaker 3 (07:22):
We're doing well.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
What's going on?
Speaker 7 (07:25):
I have been listening to your conversation this morning about
taking down some of that rap music.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, so what happened if you missed that my heart
just let me recap real quick. So this is the
front page of Daily Telegraph. Cops are demanding that tech
giants and social media giants tune out violent music on
social media take it down because apparently, according to them,
it couldn't be considered as inciting violence amongst the community.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah, it's a big call. It's definitely a big call.
What's your thoughts on a jig?
Speaker 7 (07:54):
Guys? I was raised in the States. I was raised
in the States, growing up in the nineties, so I
grew up with ice cube, iced tea, to pack biggie,
all that, all the fun stuff before all of that
got you know, canned.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
Literally, I don't believe in any of.
Speaker 7 (08:10):
That stuff that's happening right now in Sydney. They're literally
they're literally bleeding. They're trying to bleed whatever culture they've
raised in America. They're trying to raise hype, the hype
of fear in Australia so that they can establish the
same type of.
Speaker 6 (08:26):
Culture that they've got in America. Believing in any of
the stuff right now, Honest to.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
God, are you talking about the artists themselves.
Speaker 7 (08:34):
No, I'm talking about all this police and all this
you know, the entire political scene. They're using music as
a way to chop people's freedom of speech.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
I kind of agree, they're slowly, slowly trying to bleed
into this whole culture of oh, we need to be safe,
we need to be safe. But there's nothing to be
worried about.
Speaker 7 (08:56):
I've been here for thirty years because I've not seen
any gang related violence. I heard of any gang related
violence related to.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
Rap and all that rubbish.
Speaker 7 (09:04):
That's that's American culture, and they're trying to bleed it
into the Aussie culture.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Well, I guess if you think about you know, you know,
there's a reason why it's called the underworld, you know
what I mean, there's a reason why. So obviously the
police are seeing something that's apparent according to their records people,
you know, there's drive buyers and things like that. There's
getting reports on and if they're linking it to this music,
I mean, that's the interesting thing is like they're obviously
seeing that there's a hippop artist that's making this song,
(09:29):
and then after that something happens. It's postcode wars and
all that stuff. That's going on in Sydney. So they
obviously have their reasons.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
To play a little bit of the devil's advocate and
not to rag on the cops or anything. But I mean,
majority of the people in these big sort of roles
are older people who traditionally have the mindset of all
that young music is telling people to do this and
tell them you know what I mean? Do you think
that also comes into play?
Speaker 7 (09:52):
It has to be gentlemen, when we are watching stuff
on TV. There's stuff being spun on TV a lot
worse than the stuff that you guys are hearing. There's
stuff that's going on TikTok that's a lot worse than
the stuff you guys are listening to.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
That's true.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
It just doesn't match. I'm sorry, boys, but it doesn't
make sense. It doesn't match. Like I don't understand like
what your positions are like with your roles and stuff.
But whatever the police are doing, that's just that's just
a lower grade order that they have to take.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
My position on this is you can't you can't shut
down art, you know, and music and hip especially Australia
now with the hip hop scene, that is just growing
at a rapid rate, and if people are falling in
love and getting used to the even used to the accent,
you know, whereas fifteen years ago you hear Ossie Rapper,
Yeah down at the barbecue for one on this and
now you know, like it's different, so now they get
(10:39):
shun But nowadays it's like it's becoming this thing. It's obviously,
like you said, it's the culture for that to be
shut down. It's sad to see it all happen. And
I don't want anyone to be shut down. Everyone has
a right to say whatever they want to say. It's
a freedom of speech world, especially in this country. And
I agree that you know, this operation of taking down
the music is not the right way to do it.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Hey, JJ, what are your thoughts on using lyrics in court,
for example, as evidence?
Speaker 7 (11:07):
Using lyrics in court as evidence?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah, that's what they're doing over in the States.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
So that's what they came round, young sug right now.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
They're taking the lyrics and they're using it against them
in court.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Guys.
Speaker 7 (11:17):
Look, there's a lot of rubbish and theatrics in American politics, Okay.
I I don't think anyone should be controlling anything to
be honest with you. And I know that sounds like
really fluffy online, but I don't understand why you guys
can play with genes. Then you guys can play with
what type of rappers you put out there, and you
guys can play with what type of food we eat,
(11:37):
and you guys complain with what type of things you
guys are casting on TV, and I don't understand it.
So it's okay when when the higher ups use things
to their advantage to put money in their pockets, but
it's not okay when the regular social population does whatever
they want.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
That's not right. Ye. You know, I love that you
know what JJ. I think everyone in the studio agrees
with you today.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Great now, thank you for you. Appreciate that. JJ.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Have a great day, pump Assie.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
Cada, Australia's hottest hip hop breakfast shop.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
It's Keenan Yez on cater Yes, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Having a look here just on the front page of
the Daily Telegraph. Yeah, I never ever ever pick up
a newspaper.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Just everyone knows.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Yeah, you walked in with one this morning. I was like,
what are you doing? This was not nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Well, I know, right, but I was walking past just
when I went to the till it came back and
I just saw this newspaper and I saw Big Cash
is an Australian hip hop artiste on the front page
of this with the headline rap on the Knuckles, And
I thought, rap on the knuckles?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
What does that mean? Yeah, I didn't understand, so I
picked it up hat a look.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Social media platforms will be asked by police to take
down aggressive rap songs and posts that they fear are
being used to fuel gang violence.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
In particular in Sydney.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
This made the front page.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
The front page.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
There's a growing concern that drill and rap music are
in flaming criminal acts, ranging from the postcode wars of
teenagers to fuel like obviously deadly feuds that's going on
between crime gains and there is, but there's no suggestion
that any artist are gang members. They're just saying that
drill music and songs in some cases are being weaponized
to basically inflame the conflict. And that was a new
(01:08):
South Wales Police Acting Assistant Commissioner Jason Weinstein.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Okay, logically speaking, the police asked, let's say Spotify, Well,
this is.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
More about social media platforms, so they can't they can't
ask for Spotify to do it.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
But it's more like if you're allowing them to post,
you know, film clips.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
So we're talking in Instagram, Yeah, YouTube? Is that social
media's YouTube? Social media?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Let's getting there.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
TikTok Yeah yeah, Facebook, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
And they just got me thinking, like, you know, this
is like a kind of a situation around nw A.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I was gonna say exactly like when back then.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
When they were starting to do gangster rap and it
became a big thing, and there was obviously the claim
of inciting violence. Now there was a massive conspiracy theory
around that that the private owners of prisons over in
the States, we're actually the ones funding gangster against a
rap in order for them to then profit profit from
(02:04):
people making crimes being influenced by the music that will
end up in prison, and then they get money from
the government for having this people. That was a conspiracy.
Not saying that's true, but that's the conspiracy behind it.
I don't think that's happening here in Australia. I don't
think that's I don't think prisons are private.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I was going to say, I actually don't know if
prisons are private or not.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
I'm not educated on that topic, but I know when
American majority are, they're not, they're public.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
But the crazy thing about this is now we're seeing
Australian hip hop is rapidly growing, insane rapidly.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
At a crazy, crazy pace.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
The amount of artists that are popping off, especially in
the drill scene. I mean that's that is the art
of the music. Though the art of the drill rap
is quite violent, but the influence from that can be
seen as a negative influence for especially teenagers growing up.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Now, well, here's here's here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Obviously a lot of rap lyrics and drill lyrics are
coming from people's real life situations. Okay, they're talking telling
their story. You can't stop someone from telling their story.
But what I think these artists need to do is,
on a separate occasion, hit up your social media, hit
up your fans, and let them know that this stuff
like like, it's not condone, it's just their it's just
(03:15):
their life. They want it, they want to share their story,
but they're not condoning it. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (03:20):
That's right?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Tell your fans it's not cool because it's not.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Well, that's what it really is.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
So I'm seeing here the big cash Eidis said that
kids promoting gang violence through drill music troubled him and
he no longer wants to live that gangster lifestyle. And
he's obviously, you know, sort of regretful in putting that together,
and he's growing up, he's maturity, doesn't want to talk
about it now.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
The other artist that's come to mind is one for Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Now, obviously there's been some history one four and the
police and one of them got locked up and that
incident that you know happened at some bar or parb
or whatever. Yeah, okay, cool, but they're obviously steering away
and they have considers to steer it away.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I don't even think they are part of a game, don't.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I don't know what the goal is with that, but
I will say that they're not a concern as much
of today. This is according to the Assistant Commissioner, but
hopefully I don't know. They just announced that they're performing
as well.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
So the Assistant commissioners said that in the article.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
In the article that they're not a concern anymore, and
also that they never stopped a concert. They were just
telling promoters all the venues that you know that our
current intelligence intelligence around certain groups meant that they had
to assess the risk for potential violence. Then there's a
risk that the promoter has to take on. Yeah, so
I'm not sure how it all worked out, but all
(04:31):
I can say and hopefully is that you know that
the violence that's apparent or apparently apparent in the hip
hop world right now in Australia, I don't even know
how you can I don't know how they can change
it or whatever. I mean, the artistry, you can't ask
like you can't ask, and it's been happening someone to
stop painting what they're painting, you know what I mean.
It's the same kind of concept, but it's just interesting
(04:54):
to see that they're now going to social media tech
giant giants to pull down this content.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Well it's interesting because just to carry off sorry there
so new Stuthals police are actually doing a bit of
a blitz on crime in Sydney particular with all the
gang lang shootings and all whatnot, which I think, I
mean technically has nothing to do with the rap world
because it's the gangland. I mean, yes, they probably just
getting too rapt to be honest, but like it's it's
it's sort of like a third party connection is what
(05:19):
they're listening to on Spotify or iHeartRadio, or what they're
watching on social media or whatever. So it's definitely an
interesting take that they're doing, being like you can't play
these types of music on the on the social media platforms.
I think in the long run it probably will help,
as you said, teenagers and whatnot getting influenced. But I
think for the people that are doing these shootings and whatnot,
they're older, they're they're already influenced. They don't need a
(05:42):
song to tell them to.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Go and shoot someone, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
I guess so, but look at look at what happened
at the east of the show in Sydney months ago,
the kids stabbed in their teenagers, So that there is
violence happening in our teens. Yeah, not sure if it's
the music that's influencing them, but there certainly is something
going on. And you know, as someone that has the
ability to talk to people, you know, we just want
to showcase love.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
I would actually want to showcase peace.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, we want to you know, make sure we push
the fact that you know, everyone is a human and
whatever behavior that occurs throughout all that. I mean, you
can't really judge on a human being, but their behavior. Unfortunately,
people end up in the lifestyle that they're in. Of course,
they don't have a choice, but you know, we'll leave
it up to the police to figure out how to
sort this one out.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
That's right, And the music is a is kind of
an out for them as well.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I just don't want to see music get pushed back
and pulled away purely because of suspicion.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
I would actually really really be curious to see statistics,
like since since drill has risen in the music scene
and the intention it's getting, I want to see if
that has actually influenced young crime rates.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Is that something that you can go off and do
for U. S.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
Grant.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
No, Okay, that's a big study to do it.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
It's a big study.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
But it's also interesting.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
You can't like ask people after they've done a stating
or a shooting and be like, hey, did you listen
to this song and think, oh, I'm going to go
do that?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Like, it's I think it's over time and it happened.
It's not just an overnight thing. It's a it's a
couple of months or a couple of years or growing
up listening to a certain type of music or a
certain artist or whatever. So it's definitely hard to collate,
but you can go.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
And have a look at that one.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, we will keep this story.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
We'll keep on top of this story and let you
know how things are panning out, because obviously everyone has
a favorite Australian music artist.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Of course, on social media is where you follow.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Them exactly right, and we'll keep on top of before
you we have GG on the phone now.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Good morning, GG, Good morning.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
How are you boys?
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Excellent?
Speaker 3 (07:22):
We're doing well.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
What's going on?
Speaker 7 (07:25):
I have been listening to your conversation this morning about
taking down some of that rap music.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, so what happened if you missed that my heart
just let me recap real quick. So this is the
front page of Daily Telegraph. Cops are demanding that tech
giants and social media giants tune out violent music on
social media take it down because apparently, according to them,
it couldn't be considered as inciting violence amongst the community.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah, it's a big call. It's definitely a big call.
What's your thoughts on a jig?
Speaker 7 (07:54):
Guys? I was raised in the States. I was raised
in the States, growing up in the nineties, so I
grew up with ice cube, iced tea, to pack biggie,
all that, all the fun stuff before all of that
got you know, canned.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
Literally, I don't believe in any of.
Speaker 7 (08:10):
That stuff that's happening right now in Sydney. They're literally
they're literally bleeding. They're trying to bleed whatever culture they've
raised in America. They're trying to raise hype, the hype
of fear in Australia so that they can establish the
same type of.
Speaker 6 (08:26):
Culture that they've got in America. Believing in any of
the stuff right now, Honest to.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
God, are you talking about the artists themselves.
Speaker 7 (08:34):
No, I'm talking about all this police and all this
you know, the entire political scene. They're using music as
a way to chop people's freedom of speech.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
I kind of agree, they're slowly, slowly trying to bleed
into this whole culture of oh, we need to be safe,
we need to be safe. But there's nothing to be
worried about.
Speaker 7 (08:56):
I've been here for thirty years because I've not seen
any gang related violence. I heard of any gang related
violence related to.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
Rap and all that rubbish.
Speaker 7 (09:04):
That's that's American culture, and they're trying to bleed it
into the Aussie culture.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Well, I guess if you think about you know, you know,
there's a reason why it's called the underworld, you know
what I mean, there's a reason why. So obviously the
police are seeing something that's apparent according to their records people,
you know, there's drive buyers and things like that. There's
getting reports on and if they're linking it to this music,
I mean, that's the interesting thing is like they're obviously
seeing that there's a hippop artist that's making this song,
(09:29):
and then after that something happens. It's postcode wars and
all that stuff. That's going on in Sydney. So they
obviously have their reasons.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
To play a little bit of the devil's advocate and
not to rag on the cops or anything. But I mean,
majority of the people in these big sort of roles
are older people who traditionally have the mindset of all
that young music is telling people to do this and
tell them you know what I mean? Do you think
that also comes into play?
Speaker 7 (09:52):
It has to be gentlemen, when we are watching stuff
on TV. There's stuff being spun on TV a lot
worse than the stuff that you guys are hearing. There's
stuff that's going on TikTok that's a lot worse than
the stuff you guys are listening to.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
That's true.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
It just doesn't match. I'm sorry, boys, but it doesn't
make sense. It doesn't match. Like I don't understand like
what your positions are like with your roles and stuff.
But whatever the police are doing, that's just that's just
a lower grade order that they have to take.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
My position on this is you can't you can't shut
down art, you know, and music and hip especially Australia
now with the hip hop scene, that is just growing
at a rapid rate, and if people are falling in
love and getting used to the even used to the accent,
you know, whereas fifteen years ago you hear Ossie Rapper,
Yeah down at the barbecue for one on this and
now you know, like it's different, so now they get
(10:39):
shun But nowadays it's like it's becoming this thing. It's obviously,
like you said, it's the culture for that to be
shut down. It's sad to see it all happen. And
I don't want anyone to be shut down. Everyone has
a right to say whatever they want to say. It's
a freedom of speech world, especially in this country. And
I agree that you know, this operation of taking down
the music is not the right way to do it.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Hey, JJ, what are your thoughts on using lyrics in court,
for example, as evidence?
Speaker 7 (11:07):
Using lyrics in court as evidence?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah, that's what they're doing over in the States.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
So that's what they came round, young sug right now.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
They're taking the lyrics and they're using it against them
in court.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Guys.
Speaker 7 (11:17):
Look, there's a lot of rubbish and theatrics in American politics, Okay.
I I don't think anyone should be controlling anything to
be honest with you. And I know that sounds like
really fluffy online, but I don't understand why you guys
can play with genes. Then you guys can play with
what type of rappers you put out there, and you
guys can play with what type of food we eat,
(11:37):
and you guys complain with what type of things you
guys are casting on TV, and I don't understand it.
So it's okay when when the higher ups use things
to their advantage to put money in their pockets, but
it's not okay when the regular social population does whatever
they want.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
That's not right. Ye. You know, I love that you
know what JJ. I think everyone in the studio agrees
with you today.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Great now, thank you for you. Appreciate that. JJ.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Have a great day, pump Assie.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Hip hop is as much and as loud as possible
as you can. You go have a go on, mate.
So yeah, you've been listening to a cater podcast.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Catch more videos, interviews, news and shows at cater dot
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