October 6, 2022 • 9 mins
Tommy Gunn rolled through to By Your Side with B Wise to talk us through the scorching new tune Out The Blue. Catch By Your Side with B Wise, every Tuesday night on CADA.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Cat back it up. The best moments from the week
on Kita.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome back to Buy Your Side with Wives and Tino. Now,
our next guest is representing the generation of artists that
are telling their story different and ahead of in his
debut EP Better On Me, He's here to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I'm good for How are you good to meet you? Man,
Good to meet you too, firm, good to meet you too.
I mean we've been seeing seeing you doing your thing.
I mean we're watching you. I mean everyone's watching hands
while we would like one of the have you come
in and have a chat. But I mean, like, how
how have you been, Like just bring us up to speed, Like.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Yeah, good bro, just recently just a lot of shit
going on with the EP, you know, so just a
lot of things around it, with shooting all that. Man. Honestly,
like me and my brother were just like, after we're
done with the EP, we're just like you making music,
check new music.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
So you on that energy of just like, look, once
it rolls out, let's keep a grind and keep keep
the momentum going. You know it's good. You know that
early as well? Yea, with us, we like we've been
we've been catching on and you've been making strides and
you've been making waves in the scene. You know, you've
just started recently, you've already been making some impactful music
for us though for any of our listeners that may
be their first time listening of View and You today, Like,
(01:05):
tell us a little bit about your backstory, where you're
from and what inspired you to get started in music.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Yeah, so me and my brother we make music together,
my sibling like Kelvin ninety nine head shout outs up. Yeah,
but yeah, we I came from Hong Kong. Came from
Hong Kong from a very young age, gotcha. But I
always called Sydney and Hong Kong both home, you know,
because we came like ten eleven years.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Old, gotcha.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
So like it's like both isack home because we were
still growing you know. Yeah, but yeah, we start Kelvin
started making beats actually like six seven years ago. I've
always yeah, and I've always been rapping to the boys,
you know, but like never never really like recorded and stuff.
So but and yeah, I just one day I just
started recording and we went from there.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
So talk to me about this then, like, because there's
no secret here in this country, we have like a large,
vast and vibrant Asian Australian community man, And for real,
I mean it's so good to see now more artists
coming up from the cultural heritage that you're from into
the industry as well. I guess for you, like what
are your intentions, how do you plan to separate yourself
from the pack? How do you shine light on your
(02:09):
community in this space of right music.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Yeah, for me, it's like I look at it as
an advantage, you know, because there's not many Asians doing
what we're doing, especially in Australia, you know, even even
out you know, in the world in.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
The States, there's not many people doing what we're doing.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
And but yeah, I really I think that, you know,
like it's time for Asians to step up to you know,
like you because a lot of people, because US Asians,
we grew up like we weren't taught to like express
emotions and that, you know, like that's it.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
That's the Asians.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Like it's sad to say, but like we never I
never was brought up to to you know, like teach
how to especially emotions to your family and your parents
and all that.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
But I reckon like like we've got to break that barrier.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
You know, I come from a mixed family, like a
West African Australian family and such. And you know, even
the question of like when when you and your brother
were like to say to your family or to say
to parents, like, yo, we're about to do this art,
We're about to his creativity. What's what was the vibe?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Like what's that?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
You know, because I've had that conversation and it was
just like you know, but how did you feel? Like
what was your your take on it?
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Like when we first started making music, because me and
my brother we started off recording at home, so we
just spent hours and hours at home recording. Got you
But I remember that one day still till Dad came
in like like shat us down, Like you just gotta
like this is not making you any money, you know,
like like you've got to start thinking what to do,
you know what I mean, like when you grow up,
like you got to get a proper like job.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
And all that.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
But I don't take it personally. I never blamed him,
you know today because that's how they were brought up.
And no one sees our vision except for me and
my brother. You know, so I never take that personal,
even even from my parents or other people if they
don't like believe in us or whatever.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
You know, but I agree with you one hundred percent
and take that approach and you never take a person
if anything. It's just like that fuel to show the
FAMI and then to uplift the fam because you know,
real talk, you head it in the right direction. So like,
trust me, it all makes sense. Like you just keep persistent.
Everything makes sense, bro, And all right, talk to me
about the EP on the way bet on me as
well as an artist, like I like to break down
(04:02):
like the creative process, like like you know, the mindset
and what you're thinking when he went into it for
the listeners at home, walk us through your creative process
while making this This EP is EPs or mixtape?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
What would you call it?
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I would call it an EP, but like a lot
of people even call it an album because like.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah, because because look I got a very early listen bro,
then like little little things shout out your management and
I'm saying it was feeling real like album me like,
but at the same time that's what to be dope
because lets there's know there's more coming. What were you
thinking when you went into like where was your mind
state and what do you want people to take away
from it?
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Yeah, So, like to be honest, me and my brother
were never like we never went into the studios, Oh,
let's make songs for the EP. We always just make
songs for like for fun. You know, we go in
there and just express ourselves. Especially having a producer as
your brother, you know, like we're very versatile because of that.
That that's one of the main reasons, because we can
do whatever we want, you know what I mean. And
(04:59):
I feel like like I've gone feedback from people saying, like,
you know, like your music's like to left and right,
you know, it's not staying one lane. But I feel
like for me, making this EP was just putting songs
together and then we spent months and months to rework
on the production. And this is the first time I
actually like take production seriously and fully like step foot
in it with my with my brother, because before I
(05:20):
would let him do the work. Yeah, I'll have little
inputs and stuff. But this EP, I was like, like,
we've got to like make this different. We've got to
like add our own taste to us. So I step
in production with Kelvin, but we pretty much just put
songs together and just you know, it's like it. You know,
you heard the EP take a story.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Speaking about and taste.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
There's even some sonics or instruments that I feel it
from your cultural background, which I picked it for sure.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
That's hard as hell.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, so I feel like that's automatically separates you, you know,
from the rest and the sense, but in a good way.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Still.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
It just gives you that little, you know, diffruciation from
the rest.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Now you've also mentioned, like obviously as well, working with
your brother in this ninety nine hurts and I mean
history shows us, right that a lot of siblings who
in the past we've worked together either make a lot
of great music or to have one of the longest
track records when they when they work together. I mean,
what does it feel like? Where is your brothers?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Where you are? Pull up?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Bro, we're bringing into all right. So basically though, like
working together. Man, Look, I don't know, I couldn't work
with Muzzle but on the reil. But being so close
together and in such a in such an age group,
I mean, how is the feeling like? What's the experience
like for you too? Are we Is this a long
term thing? Is this a short term do you guys
on the same vision or what?
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Definitely a forever thing, you know, like time by blood,
but not just that. Like I would say that music
brought us like really close together as well. It's like
we're like very different people, and before music and stuff, like,
we weren't as close like nowhere near, you know. But
we started like doing music and like my personality and
what I liked worked really well with what he liked,
(06:50):
and we just ended up.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Different to very different. And I think that's where where clash.
Like he has traps of stuff, you know, and my
like more all kind of stuff. And like that's how
I think our sound combined it because we'll have our
different inputs in it and then it combines to this clean,
like raw That's how I say, you know what I mean,
This this sound to it and definitely brought us closer
like with each other every day. Obviously there's a lot
(07:14):
of arguments, like like a lot, you know, but like
like but we but we pushed through it.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
But it's they're all constructive.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Yeah, you know, there's not like like like there's dumb too.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
You know, we're brothers, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
But yeah, but for sure like brought us closer together,
you know. And but it definitely impacted on our music
as well, not just the sound of all we make,
like like we really put our lives into it because
like to me, like I can't, I don't like being
categorized in like one genre because for me, like I
get people saying that, but like for me, it's like that's.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Life even with that, Like the vision between you, it's
like would you say share like it's a long time
vision as well?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
For sure.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Yeah, but he does his own thing too, you know,
Like I get people saying, oh, like like can I
work with your brother?
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Like I'm like, bro, like do what you want.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
I've worked with other producers too, but like when we
come together, it's a different workflow, and I feel like
that's special, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I say it, man, and it's very evident. One last
thing I want to ask you as well. I mean
when I was when I called onto you earlier was
because it's not very rare, It's not unusual for artists
also change their names during the process in the early
in their career. I knew you or come across your
yellow Yellow Boy Tommy and now Tommy gun is there
a reason for the change or.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Yeah, to be completely honest, like I haven't sat well
with that yellow like the yellow yeah, yeah for a minute,
because like I don't know, it just feels like tom
Like I love the I love the name Tommy Gunn
you know, but yellow boy Tommy first, Like I just
for some reason, I never really sat right with it.
You and I do see other people like hesitate to
like call me that. And even that's in Australia. Yeah,
(08:45):
you go overseas, you know, like people could be even
more sensitive.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Got you, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (08:49):
And we do have other people from over the Sas
saying it could be a problem putting you on the playlist.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Okay, got you? You know what I mean. Well, I think
that's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
These things happen, like you know, early in your career,
like as an artist, your fred express yourself at the
same time, like you determined as well, the artist makes
the name. The name don't make the artist. That's what
I've always said. So even Tommy going strong, that ain't
a pick up, That ain't a pull of It's Tommy
going from from Rocky or something or something like that.
But yeah, but no, man's strong and we see the growth.
But that's what it is. You'll know what it is now.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
It's Tommy going for so you know.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Hey, you've just been listening to the back of up podcast,
the best moments from the week at Kata. To hear more,
tune into CATA on DAB or check it out right
here on iHeartRadio.
Cat back it up. The best moments from the week
on Kita.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome back to Buy Your Side with Wives and Tino. Now,
our next guest is representing the generation of artists that
are telling their story different and ahead of in his
debut EP Better On Me, He's here to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I'm good for How are you good to meet you? Man,
Good to meet you too, firm, good to meet you too.
I mean we've been seeing seeing you doing your thing.
I mean we're watching you. I mean everyone's watching hands
while we would like one of the have you come
in and have a chat. But I mean, like, how
how have you been, Like just bring us up to speed, Like.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Yeah, good bro, just recently just a lot of shit
going on with the EP, you know, so just a
lot of things around it, with shooting all that. Man. Honestly,
like me and my brother were just like, after we're
done with the EP, we're just like you making music,
check new music.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
So you on that energy of just like, look, once
it rolls out, let's keep a grind and keep keep
the momentum going. You know it's good. You know that
early as well? Yea, with us, we like we've been
we've been catching on and you've been making strides and
you've been making waves in the scene. You know, you've
just started recently, you've already been making some impactful music
for us though for any of our listeners that may
be their first time listening of View and You today, Like,
(01:05):
tell us a little bit about your backstory, where you're
from and what inspired you to get started in music.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Yeah, so me and my brother we make music together,
my sibling like Kelvin ninety nine head shout outs up. Yeah,
but yeah, we I came from Hong Kong. Came from
Hong Kong from a very young age, gotcha. But I
always called Sydney and Hong Kong both home, you know,
because we came like ten eleven years.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Old, gotcha.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
So like it's like both isack home because we were
still growing you know. Yeah, but yeah, we start Kelvin
started making beats actually like six seven years ago. I've
always yeah, and I've always been rapping to the boys,
you know, but like never never really like recorded and stuff.
So but and yeah, I just one day I just
started recording and we went from there.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
So talk to me about this then, like, because there's
no secret here in this country, we have like a large,
vast and vibrant Asian Australian community man, And for real,
I mean it's so good to see now more artists
coming up from the cultural heritage that you're from into
the industry as well. I guess for you, like what
are your intentions, how do you plan to separate yourself
from the pack? How do you shine light on your
(02:09):
community in this space of right music.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Yeah, for me, it's like I look at it as
an advantage, you know, because there's not many Asians doing
what we're doing, especially in Australia, you know, even even
out you know, in the world in.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
The States, there's not many people doing what we're doing.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
And but yeah, I really I think that, you know,
like it's time for Asians to step up to you know,
like you because a lot of people, because US Asians,
we grew up like we weren't taught to like express
emotions and that, you know, like that's it.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
That's the Asians.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Like it's sad to say, but like we never I
never was brought up to to you know, like teach
how to especially emotions to your family and your parents
and all that.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
But I reckon like like we've got to break that barrier.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
You know, I come from a mixed family, like a
West African Australian family and such. And you know, even
the question of like when when you and your brother
were like to say to your family or to say
to parents, like, yo, we're about to do this art,
We're about to his creativity. What's what was the vibe?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Like what's that?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
You know, because I've had that conversation and it was
just like you know, but how did you feel? Like
what was your your take on it?
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Like when we first started making music, because me and
my brother we started off recording at home, so we
just spent hours and hours at home recording. Got you
But I remember that one day still till Dad came
in like like shat us down, Like you just gotta
like this is not making you any money, you know,
like like you've got to start thinking what to do,
you know what I mean, like when you grow up,
like you got to get a proper like job.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
And all that.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
But I don't take it personally. I never blamed him,
you know today because that's how they were brought up.
And no one sees our vision except for me and
my brother. You know, so I never take that personal,
even even from my parents or other people if they
don't like believe in us or whatever.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
You know, but I agree with you one hundred percent
and take that approach and you never take a person
if anything. It's just like that fuel to show the
FAMI and then to uplift the fam because you know,
real talk, you head it in the right direction. So like,
trust me, it all makes sense. Like you just keep persistent.
Everything makes sense, bro, And all right, talk to me
about the EP on the way bet on me as
well as an artist, like I like to break down
(04:02):
like the creative process, like like you know, the mindset
and what you're thinking when he went into it for
the listeners at home, walk us through your creative process
while making this This EP is EPs or mixtape?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
What would you call it?
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I would call it an EP, but like a lot
of people even call it an album because like.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah, because because look I got a very early listen bro,
then like little little things shout out your management and
I'm saying it was feeling real like album me like,
but at the same time that's what to be dope
because lets there's know there's more coming. What were you
thinking when you went into like where was your mind
state and what do you want people to take away
from it?
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Yeah, So, like to be honest, me and my brother
were never like we never went into the studios, Oh,
let's make songs for the EP. We always just make
songs for like for fun. You know, we go in
there and just express ourselves. Especially having a producer as
your brother, you know, like we're very versatile because of that.
That that's one of the main reasons, because we can
do whatever we want, you know what I mean. And
(04:59):
I feel like like I've gone feedback from people saying, like,
you know, like your music's like to left and right,
you know, it's not staying one lane. But I feel
like for me, making this EP was just putting songs
together and then we spent months and months to rework
on the production. And this is the first time I
actually like take production seriously and fully like step foot
in it with my with my brother, because before I
(05:20):
would let him do the work. Yeah, I'll have little
inputs and stuff. But this EP, I was like, like,
we've got to like make this different. We've got to
like add our own taste to us. So I step
in production with Kelvin, but we pretty much just put
songs together and just you know, it's like it. You know,
you heard the EP take a story.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Speaking about and taste.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
There's even some sonics or instruments that I feel it
from your cultural background, which I picked it for sure.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
That's hard as hell.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, so I feel like that's automatically separates you, you know,
from the rest and the sense, but in a good way.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Still.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
It just gives you that little, you know, diffruciation from
the rest.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Now you've also mentioned, like obviously as well, working with
your brother in this ninety nine hurts and I mean
history shows us, right that a lot of siblings who
in the past we've worked together either make a lot
of great music or to have one of the longest
track records when they when they work together. I mean,
what does it feel like? Where is your brothers?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Where you are? Pull up?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Bro, we're bringing into all right. So basically though, like
working together. Man, Look, I don't know, I couldn't work
with Muzzle but on the reil. But being so close
together and in such a in such an age group,
I mean, how is the feeling like? What's the experience
like for you too? Are we Is this a long
term thing? Is this a short term do you guys
on the same vision or what?
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Definitely a forever thing, you know, like time by blood,
but not just that. Like I would say that music
brought us like really close together as well. It's like
we're like very different people, and before music and stuff, like,
we weren't as close like nowhere near, you know. But
we started like doing music and like my personality and
what I liked worked really well with what he liked,
(06:50):
and we just ended up.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Different to very different. And I think that's where where clash.
Like he has traps of stuff, you know, and my
like more all kind of stuff. And like that's how
I think our sound combined it because we'll have our
different inputs in it and then it combines to this clean,
like raw That's how I say, you know what I mean,
This this sound to it and definitely brought us closer
like with each other every day. Obviously there's a lot
(07:14):
of arguments, like like a lot, you know, but like
like but we but we pushed through it.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
But it's they're all constructive.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Yeah, you know, there's not like like like there's dumb too.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
You know, we're brothers, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
But yeah, but for sure like brought us closer together,
you know. And but it definitely impacted on our music
as well, not just the sound of all we make,
like like we really put our lives into it because
like to me, like I can't, I don't like being
categorized in like one genre because for me, like I
get people saying that, but like for me, it's like that's.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Life even with that, Like the vision between you, it's
like would you say share like it's a long time
vision as well?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
For sure.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Yeah, but he does his own thing too, you know,
Like I get people saying, oh, like like can I
work with your brother?
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Like I'm like, bro, like do what you want.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
I've worked with other producers too, but like when we
come together, it's a different workflow, and I feel like
that's special, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I say it, man, and it's very evident. One last
thing I want to ask you as well. I mean
when I was when I called onto you earlier was
because it's not very rare, It's not unusual for artists
also change their names during the process in the early
in their career. I knew you or come across your
yellow Yellow Boy Tommy and now Tommy gun is there
a reason for the change or.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Yeah, to be completely honest, like I haven't sat well
with that yellow like the yellow yeah, yeah for a minute,
because like I don't know, it just feels like tom
Like I love the I love the name Tommy Gunn
you know, but yellow boy Tommy first, Like I just
for some reason, I never really sat right with it.
You and I do see other people like hesitate to
like call me that. And even that's in Australia. Yeah,
(08:45):
you go overseas, you know, like people could be even
more sensitive.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Got you, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (08:49):
And we do have other people from over the Sas
saying it could be a problem putting you on the playlist.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Okay, got you? You know what I mean. Well, I think
that's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
These things happen, like you know, early in your career,
like as an artist, your fred express yourself at the
same time, like you determined as well, the artist makes
the name. The name don't make the artist. That's what
I've always said. So even Tommy going strong, that ain't
a pick up, That ain't a pull of It's Tommy
going from from Rocky or something or something like that.
But yeah, but no, man's strong and we see the growth.
But that's what it is. You'll know what it is now.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
It's Tommy going for so you know.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Hey, you've just been listening to the back of up podcast,
the best moments from the week at Kata. To hear more,
tune into CATA on DAB or check it out right
here on iHeartRadio.
Popular Podcasts
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
24/7 News: The Latest
The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.
Therapy Gecko
An unlicensed lizard psychologist travels the universe talking to strangers about absolutely nothing. TO CALL THE GECKO: follow me on https://www.twitch.tv/lyleforever to get a notification for when I am taking calls. I am usually live Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays but lately a lot of other times too. I am a gecko.