June 10, 2025 • 31 mins
In this candid and powerful conversation, Jill Griffin—Career Strategist and Executive Coach—sits down with Vicki Bradley, CEO and Founder of Women in Leadership, to talk about the messy middle of career setbacks and how to come out stronger.
They dive into the emotional toll of getting fired, how to reframe workplace trauma, and what it really takes to rebuild career joy and confidence.
In this episode, you’ll learn how to:
- Recover from being fired and reclaim your narrative
- Shift from feeling like a victim to showing up as an empowered professional
- Use clarity and compassion as a launchpad for career growth
- Stop hiding, start healing, and own your story
- Apply mindset shifts that move you from “impossible” to “possible”
- Explore how coaching can support your reinvention
Plus, Jill shares why she believes her brain injury was the greatest gift she never asked for.
This interview has been lightly edited for time.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey there, I'm Jill Griffin and this is the Career
Refresh podcast.
I'm a former media andmarketing executive turned
career strategist and strengthscoach.
I spent my career working myway up and through the ranks of
global organizations andstartups, and today I show
(00:26):
others how to do the same.
Join me each week as we discussthe strategies to leverage your
strengths, increase yourconfidence and visibility and
reset your career withactionable steps towards a finer
future.
Ready, let's do it.
Hey, my friends, welcome backto this week's podcast.
(00:53):
Okay, this week I am sharing aninterview between Vicki Bradley
and myself.
Vicki is the founder and CEO ofWomen in Leadership, which is a
leadership training program forwomen everywhere we talk about
everything.
A leadership training programfor women everywhere.
We talk about everything.
We talk about workplace traumaand how to get through being
fired.
In that case, that's me how Iworked through being fired and
how I found career joy again.
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So give a listen and let us knowwhat you think.
Either email me I'll includethat in the show notes at hello
at jillgriffincoachingcom, orreach out on Instagram and we
can chat there too.
All right, give a listen andI'll see you on the other side.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Jill Griffin has joined us today.
She is an executive coach,she's a speaker, and I love this
part.
She is a BS buster and you knowwe can all put our thought into
what BS might be, but it'sactually your belief systems.
We're excited to learn aboutbusting those belief systems.
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She is recognized byAdvertising Age as one of the
top 25 women to watch.
She was also named one of the50 most influential people in
content marketing by News Cred.
She's also the two-time winnerof Media Week's Media Planner of
the Year and she has spentabout 20 years coaching and
building company cultures.
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Jill also had a traumatic timein her life, with a brain injury
, and so today we're going to betalking about you know, how do
you rethink, how do you reset,reboot your life and career?
Well, let's jump in, because Iknow everybody's excited and our
time is always precious and wehave lots to cover off.
So let's just share a littlebit about your background so
(02:37):
that people have anunderstanding of you know the
marketing background you camefrom, the brain trauma and then
how you became this awesomecoach.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Great yeah.
So I actually started my careerat Atlantic Records and started
working in marketing, being instrategy, eventually moving into
advertising and then working onsome of the world's most
well-known brands things likeCoca-Cola, samsung, microsoft.
But what was happening is, justas my career trajectory was
taking off, I had a head injuryTraumatic brain injury is what
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it would be classified as I washiking in Australia.
I took a solo trip to Australiato go hiking and I fell and it
resulted in me taking a tumbledown a small waterfall, but
still a waterfall.
So some other hikers helped meand the interesting thing about
brain injury is they'reinsidious and it took about a
good six months for the fullimpact of what had happened to
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really set in.
So it was the discovery thatcontinued to unveil itself over
the months post the concussionand then the brain injury.
And really, at that point, whatwas also happening is my career
.
I'm, you know I'm doing better.
I'm, you know, getting intomore and more opportunities and
more leadership positions.
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But because of the cognitiveimpairment, I wasn't able to
tell what was my own ego and myown nonsense, what was
potentially a toxic situation ora tough work environment.
There's the velocity ofbusiness that's natural in any
environment and what's just sortof natural you know it's work,
not a hobby what's just sort ofnatural that happens in work and
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I couldn't really discern whatwas what and I just got to a
point that I was like I'm outMeaning.
I have to figure this out.
It is a non-negotiable.
So what I ended up doing was Istarted to put connections
together that food andenvironment were making my
system, my symptoms, better orworse.
So I started to study the brain, brain health.
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I became a functional nutritioneducator.
I became a health coach.
I started doing that work anddoing it through the lens of
food and environment, which iswhat helped me learn about the
brain, and then, learningeducator, I became a health
coach.
I started doing that work anddoing it through the lens of
food and environment, which iswhat helped me learn about the
brain, and then learningcognitive behavioral therapy,
positive psychology, andstarting to then implement it
and see that I was makingchanges and starting to be able
to perform better.
(04:58):
And then I just brought it backinto my day job because I was
doing all that while I stillmaintained the day job and in a
very short period of time, myperformance and the rewards and
the promotions started coming.
My team was doing better.
Everyone was like what is goingon?
And you know many leadership orsupervisors would be like two
for the price of one.
You're a marketing strategistand a coach like, go on, keep
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doing it Right.
So that's really what got meinto doing this.
And then about five years agoso I've been a coach for 18
years, but about five years agoI left corporate with grace and
excellence and went out on myown and I've been doing career
strategy and executive coachingfor the last five years
full-time.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Nice, nice.
Well, I mean, first of all,let's just go backwards a little
bit there.
I mean, okay, first of all,solo trip to Australia.
Thank the Lord, someone saw you, found you when you had me.
Like that's just, that isincredible, that that happened.
And you know that tenacity thatyou have to, you know, go out
and conquer the world, likeyou're demonstrating that in
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multiple ways, which isbeautiful to see.
Like you're demonstrating thatin multiple ways, which is
beautiful to see.
So I mean I'm glad to see thatyou're thriving and you know
you've got this great practiceand you're still implementing
what you were doing.
You're just helping otherslearn how to do that, which is
amazing.
So just to tap in for a fewminutes, if you don't mind, when
you talk about the brain healthand understanding the brain
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more, what were maybe one or twoof the things that were most
pivotal for you to just to helpyou start to, you know, you know
recognize, like, where you wereand where you wanted to get to.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yeah, no, it's a great question.
I mean, I would say the firstthing that I had to figure out
was what was in my control andwhat was out of my control.
So what was in my control iswhat I put in my body and
understanding that there arefoods and things that might be
totally healthy and fine for you, but for me they would put me
into brain fog.
They would put my motor skillsreally sloppy.
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I would often represent as if Iwas drunk Meanwhile.
I don't drink right.
I lighting stairwells.
Anything in my peripheralvision, if I'm in a workstation,
happens to be facing a pathwaywith lots of movement.
I would stand up and tip overright.
So there was a constant.
You know how invisibledisability is not really talked
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about.
And invisible disability isanything that's going to impair
your everyday ability to take onregular actions, and it's
anything from brain injuries anddizziness to asthma, ms, you
know, ulcerative colitis.
I mean anything that's going toimpair.
And things are very differenttoday and we're getting more and
more awareness.
But when this first happened tome 18 years ago, there was no
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invisible disability section ofthe employee workbook.
Right, you're just figuring outon your own.
So the part that I could controlwas what I could put in my
environment, and then also therewas parts I couldn't control.
There's many things about theenvironment that I couldn't
control.
So does it mean that, which youknow, if we get into a little
bit about the firing that I had?
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I mean a lot of that had to dowith how I couldn't perform in
an environment.
That was being interpreted asme not being a team player
because I couldn't.
So and just really gettingunderstanding of what I can and
can't do.
So that, and knowing yournon-negotiables, like it is a
non-negotiable for me to go to aplace that has blinking lights
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and alcohol.
It's just not going to work.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, wow.
So so many things you sharedthere and I do want to jump into
.
You know the trauma of gettingfired in just a second.
But even you know, like, thinkback 18 years ago as an employer
.
I'm sure that some of yourcolleagues were even looking at
you going.
What is wrong with her?
Like, is she on drugs?
Speaker 1 (08:47):
I can only imagine a hundred percent.
They must've been like she's soweird.
Because what?
Because I didn't tell anybodyright.
I didn't want it to impact myopportunity and I just hit it.
I mean, my friends and familyknew, but I wasn't talking about
it.
So I got to this level ofconstantly compartmentalizing my
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life, which is really living alie which is exhausting.
I was just because I thought ifyou knew, then you would be like
you know you'd, you'd want totake care and be like, oh well,
maybe Jill should do that.
Meanwhile, I'd be like, no, letme decide.
And again doesn't mean I mean,this was true.
This is my thought processbased on, you know, direct and
indirect signaling that I wouldreceive within our culture.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, wow, wow, and that is such a I mean, that is
such a critical comment that youmade, like, because we do
create those stories ourselves,right?
And we think that other peopleare thinking these things
Meanwhile.
You know, most of the time theydon't have a clue as to what's
going on, but we're fuelingourselves with that which which
can manifest physical ailmentsand and you know, the good thing
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is, you didn't allow that todefine you.
So, yeah, so let's jump intoand talk about, like, what
happened, you know, when you gotfired, and then how did you,
how did you find that joy againwith a career?
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah, so the trauma was legit.
You know I mean getting fired,at least you know I live in the
U?
S and most of us our healthcareis employer sponsored.
So I have a brain injury.
I have a traumatic brain injury.
If I don't have healthcare Idon't get better.
So losing my job meant you'reactually taking away my ability
to get help and get thehealthcare that I need.
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So that trauma first was theinitial blow of like what am I
going to do, right?
So that was part one.
And then part two is I neededsupport.
Like, as I said, I got my facecoached off and it's really what
helped me come into.
One of the reasons why I do whatI do today is helping people
work within the environment insituations that sometimes are
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absolutely untenable.
But we still get to choose howwe want to work within an
environment and other times ourbrains being a total jerk and we
have to question and like isthis true?
You know, a friend of minealways says it's like you're a
toddler with a knife right, likeyour brain is sort of doing it
to yourself.
Like is this really true?
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And is this how I want to thinkabout things, so that you know,
just to sort of set the stagethere.
And then the other thing that Idid in order to deal with the
trauma being fired is I had todecide how were they right?
Right, because I needed to freemyself and not be the victim,
because if I make them right now, I can acknowledge that okay.
That's you know, we're inagreement and I now take my
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power back, because victimsdon't recover.
If you stay in that victimmentality, you're not going to
move on.
So I had to find the way tofree myself and this meant that
when I was told that I didn'tparticipate in after work
activities with clients thatwould often be like drinking and
shots and things like that,they're right I didn't
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participate, but I didn't tellthem.
Well, that's totally not true.
Some people knew, some peopledidn't right.
When one of the leaders insistedon constantly having client
meetings on her yacht and Icouldn't go on her yacht and
told her why, she was like Ithink you can.
I think you're making this upRight.
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I haven't been on a boat in 18years.
That's not a car based ferry,cause I can't be on a boat.
That type of rocking justdoesn't like the impact is at
the moment.
It can be days or weeks afterthat.
I'm still lost my motor skillsbecause of the vestibular issue.
So I could make her the villain,or I can just say from what her
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unconscious understanding wasand yes, she heard the words
that I had a brain injury and avestibular impairment, but she
didn't really know.
So I wasn't participating, Iwasn't able to.
And you know, I think it'sfunny because I remember she
said to me that I was strategic,successful and fabulous, but
today is going to be my last dayand I was like you don't want
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people who are strategic andsuccessful and fabulous on your
team and she was like we're done.
And then she left and I waslike okay, right.
So that was like really likewow, and like again, again.
Do I want to be in a positionin which I'm a victim or do I
want to say okay, how am I goingto approach this?
How am I going to think aboutthis differently?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
wow, good for you.
I mean that's, that's huge.
Because I mean, okay, I getwhat you're saying and that was
incredible awareness that youhad about being the victim or a
villain, or you know, do youwant to let somebody else take
your power from you or do youwant to stand in that power?
But even from her perspective,like she can't see it, because
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looking at you, you look great,right, nobody would ever know
that there was anything wrongwith you.
So that's that's a.
That's in itself is difficult,right, because they can't see it
.
Only you are experiencing it.
Yeah, wow, wow, that was that'sa, and good for you for
overcoming that and recognizing,like, how do you?
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What's the go forward?
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Because the go forward was there's no more
shame, there's no more hiding.
Like I was probably a heatseeking missile of resentment
because I kept wanting to beback pre-injury and that is not
a possibility because Iliterally broke stuff within my
ear canals right.
Like I can't fix that andconstantly saying to myself okay
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, I'm going to believe in myselfand I know what I'm really good
at and, knowing my ownstrengths and how am I going to
lean into that?
And that's really where Istarted to get my joy back.
Like it can be true that Ican't go on a yacht and I can't
therefore enjoy the camaraderieand the bonding and the
collaboration between thecompany and clients, and that's
true.
But it doesn't mean thateverything then, like we go to
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all or nothing, thinking andreally teaching myself that like
this is one moment in time andin a couple of years from now,
it's not going to matter.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Maybe in a week from now, it's not going to matter?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah, no, exactly, Exactly.
That's wonderful, and and so,to your point though, the mind
is very powerful, right?
So?
So how did you develop thosemindset practices that you know
help you to deal with yourdisability, and how people
started to see you, but yourcareer and just your overall
life?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Yeah, yeah, great question.
So I devoured everything that Icould like that came into my
vision, meaning so my insatiablecuriosity, reading about other
successful people and then alsoother people who had challenges,
whether visible or invisible,and starting to put together the
threads of what you know.
(15:38):
The circumstances are alldifferent, but starting to put
through some of the threads inwhich I was taking away and a
lot maybe it came down to thatyour thought, your thought,
becomes your reality, and a lotmaybe it came down to that your
thought, your thought, becomesyour reality.
So I joke with my clients allthe time and say be ridiculous,
be outrageous, because itbecomes your reality.
Right, I can live in my realityand so, just to take that from
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like sort of the esoteric intothe real, I can open social
media first thing in the morning, and now that becomes my
reality.
So, whatever tension orwhatever is going on in
everybody else's mindset, nowI've decided to borrow and now
I'm in that, or I can choose tonot do that, right, and
therefore I have another reality.
(16:22):
I mean, it's something assimple as that is being really
clear in what I'm putting in mybody, whether it's mental or
physical, and that went to likethe content that I consume, and
you know I made my career as acontent creator, so I was a
ferocious consumer of content.
So what's the content I'mputting in my body?
How am I thinking about thisReally, starting every day with
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a prayer and meditation practice, this really starting every day
with a prayer and meditationpractice?
I then also do possibility work.
I really think about what'spossible for today and then I go
to the experience of if thepossibility is realized, it is
the day after the possibilitywhat like?
Like, as I say, you know, likeNew Year's Eve is coming.
There's nothing you need to doto make New Year's Eve come.
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You just get to decide Are youcelebrating, are you dressing,
are you going out, are youcoming in?
That's the way I think aboutpossibility.
This thing is possible.
I will get past this.
So how do I want to do it?
In the meantime, and I let thatfeeling, I use feelings as fuel
, I let that rev up in my bodyand then, since my thoughts
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become things if I'm takingaction from joy and inspiration
and determination and focus,guess what I'm going to create
Versus if I'm taking action fromfear and graspy and urgency and
like I have to get out of thisposition.
Guess what I'm going to createand that's really what this
journey has been isunderstanding that like this is
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a billion dollar machine, andI'm going to protect it as much
as possible.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Wow, you said so many things there.
Wow, I first of all.
We're cut from the same cord,okay.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
I'll just tell you that I'm the same.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
It's like if you believe it, you'll achieve it
Right.
I'm the same.
It's like if you believe it,you'll achieve it Right, and
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it's that knowing it fully inyour soul that the possibility
is there.
So I love that what I bothcoach on this.
So often people struggle to seethat possibility.
What are, what are maybe twothings that you do for yourself
to really help that, helpsomeone move from that place of
impossible to possible?
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Yeah, that is a really great question and very
needed.
I try to find the neutralizedthought.
Like I always say, I can't takeyou from first to fifth gear,
I'll blow the clutch.
I have to pass you throughneutral.
So if you're in a place whereoh my God, this is what's
happened, at a place that's like, oh my God, this is never going
to happen, what's the thoughtin between?
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Or maybe there's a few thoughtsin between, this idea of like,
all right, it's possible, itcould happen.
I'm willing to believe it'spossible.
I'm open to seeing that it'spossible.
Right, and you just start likewiggling off the two thoughts a
little bit and finding somethingin the center is one of the
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things that I use regularly.
And then also, if anyone'sfamiliar with Byron Katie's work
I love her questions, is ittrue?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, I do too Can.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
I prove it true and usually by the time I say, can I
prove it?
It's done because you it feelstrue, you can't prove it yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah, awesome, that's great.
Yeah, I love her work.
It's beautiful.
The other one you made me thinkabout when you were speaking
there, and I don't know ifyou've read this yet, but Dr Joe
Dispenza's Supernatural, haveyou?
Yes?
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah, it's been a while but it's come up a few
times, so it means I need torefresh that reading that book
again.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah, it's like so powerful because it's really
what you know.
It sounds like what you'reembodying it's what I'm
embodying as well about you knowthe possibility and shifting
that energy from a place ofcan't to can and really
believing what's possible.
But great book, I love that oneAwesome.
What's possible, but great bookI love that one Awesome.
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So what do you feel like havebeen maybe the most important
lessons in your life?
You know, you bet you were thisyou know amazing career person,
had this awesome you know workthat you were doing, and then
now you have this invisibledisability.
What have you learned?
Speaker 1 (20:48):
through that?
Yeah, that is a great question.
I think the first thing I wouldsay that I've learned is like
there are no geographicalsolutions.
So I think it's gonna be betterwhen I get there, or if we
think, if I, you know what,maybe I should just move to a
different city, or what I hear alot.
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Um, you know, talking with aclient yesterday who was saying
like I just feel if I could getthe new job, if I get the new
job, I'll get like my motivationback and I'll feel better.
And it's like you know, itdoesn't work that way.
I mean, jon Kabat-Zinn wrotethe book wherever you are there,
you are right, like it's you'rebringing yourself with you.
So the biggest thing for me hasalways been like I got to clean
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this up first.
And again, if you are in asituation where it's threatening
or abusive, we're not talkingabout that, but we're talking
about thinking within thegeneral malaise of work and life
and career, when we want sourgently to do something, there
are no geographical solutionsand really find a way to clean
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that up.
And the second thing that I'velearned is that if I'm coming
from urgency and I'm not runningfrom a burning building, then
it's fear, talking, so reallychecking myself and being like,
is this really urgent?
Do I have to really send thisemail right now?
Do I have to get this doneright now, or is there some fear
behind that?
And then just again becomingthe examiner of my thinking and
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like what is really going onhere, and then I think some
level of acceptance, like selfis going to happen and like why
not me Right?
Like you know, I would say thefirst two or so years post the
injury, there was a lot of whyme?
Because I'm a young womanliving in New York city who now
can't go out to bars and not beimpacted Like I would go out,
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but then I'd be the weird girlin the corner literally holding
the bar because of the lighting,the music, the noise.
I'm in like a vestibularnightmare and I'm trying to hold
on.
I'm like, oh sure, I lookdateable, like, oh, let me get
her number Right.
So so just having like a levelof compassion for myself, like I
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, I did the best I could at thattime and then I was just like I
can't.
If you know, if it's in me,it's for me, it's going to
happen.
It just may not be right now.
So, understanding that level ofcompassion and like it, there
has to be a level of acceptancelike this.
There's going to be a newnormal and you know I've said
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this before but my brain injurywas the greatest gift I could
have ever.
Like I didn't ask for it, butit was the greatest gift I ever
got because of so many giftsthat have come from it and a
level of awareness that wouldnot have been there had I not
had it.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yeah, Beautiful, beautiful.
I think that's that's such animportant aspect, right, because
it opened your mind up to somany other things and because
you're tenacious, you've got tofind, like, how do I not survive
, but how do I thrive?
I mean, this has happened, likeI'm living with this now, so
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what do I do with it?
Because that becomes the choice, right, you can become-.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
And if today is a day where you're only surviving,
that's okay, because it's notpermanent.
Nothing is permanent, so itwill shift at some point.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Nice, nice, I love it .
So how do you feel, or whathave you done really to create
that balance between the workand life and being able to live
with your injury so that you canthrive and survive?
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yeah Well, I call it my three C's right, which is
clarity, certainty andconfidence.
So the first is like I have toget real clarity on what are my
non-negotiables, what are theyeses, the nos and the maybes.
Like you need a criteria foryour maybe and that's everything
(24:54):
.
From you know, for so manyyears I would give what I viewed
as my best to what I did fromMonday through Friday at work,
and then by Friday I wouldbasically spend half the weekend
in bed because I'd be soexhausted or, you know,
cognitively and vestibularlymessed up so that the people
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that I care about and the peopleI love aren't getting me.
So I had to be really clear oflike it's a bit of tough
mentality of time management,but also like, okay, I choose to
do this work for a living andthere is going to need to be
some level of like going out andsocializing, but it's one night
this week, that's it.
So what am I?
(25:37):
How am I doing?
How am I looking at things?
How am I carving out that youknow I'm no longer doing the
call at 5 am with Dubai in theoffice?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Right.
So sure, that's a requirementof the job and that's OK because
I get to work with other otherpeople across the world and
learn great things about theirculture and their way of doing
business.
But you know, maybe I can do itwith the screen off in my you
know, my jams and, like you know, do it later.
So I think what's so funny iswe at least speaking for myself.
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We tell ourselves stories thatI have to be in the office
dressed and ready to do thatkind of thing where you really
don't like you're showing up andyou're doing the job.
So again, it's like it'sgetting that level of clarity.
I could do that call and then Ican do yoga, and then I can get
in the shower and if I come inan hour or two later, I've
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already been working like it's,you know, but there's never been
a time in my life wheresomeone's been like Griffin,
where were you?
But we tell ourselves thesestories that we have to do
things a certain way.
So that type of clarity hasbeen really helpful.
And then the second thing islike the thoughts it really
comes back to how do I want totrain my brain to create the
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results that I want.
So getting really certain inthe thoughts that I want to be
practicing regularly, thethoughts that I believe already
and affirming them.
And when I don't have somethinglike we just said, like how do
I find like a neutralization orhow do I wiggle off that?
Or how do I go get coached?
I mean, I have plenty offriends who have coached.
I have my own coach, like youknow.
(27:18):
For some people it might betherapy, depending on what
they're working through.
Some people it might be therapy, depending on what they're
working through.
Some people it might becoaching.
But it's so much better to notdo this alone.
So go get the help right.
Like the, the impact of havinga coach now, probably for 20
years in some capacity differentcoaches, different groups,
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different times.
Like that level of gettingcertain that you're able to
shape your own thoughts andyou're not outsourcing your
thinking to everybody else andbeing like well, what do you
think?
What do you think, what do youthink?
And then all of a sudden it'slike your thought goes to the
highest bidder.
It's like sure, check with afew people that are trusted
confidants.
But then what do I think?
How do I want to go about this?
And then the last thing is likewithin confidence is that so
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often we're so afraid toexperience a crummy emotion and
emotion sometimes really arejust like it's just a
neurochemical, it's justpulsating through my body.
I can get through this.
It sucks, I don't want to feelthis way right now, but if I
allow myself to feel it, I'mgoing to get through the other
side, which means I can createconfidence because I know that I
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can experience anything andeven if it's uncomfortable or
like I don't want thisexperience, I know I can get
through it.
Because if I don't, what I'veseen, both in some of my own
behaviors over the years andthen what I see in clients it
leads to this likeoverconsumption.
So we're either we don't wantto feel it, so we overwork, we
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over social media, we're bingingon Netflix, food, alcohol,
recreational drugs because wejust don't want to feel that
thing and it's like you justkeep letting yourself process it
Eventually.
The way the brain works, it goes.
Yeah, this sucks and I don'twant this, but I know how to get
through it, going back to whereit creates confidence.
So those are the things thatI've done and again I sort of
(29:06):
bucketed them for myself intothat sort of 3C.
So I remember when I'm in themoment where my brain is being
the toddler with the knife andlike the jerk okay, what's
happening right now?
Oh well, jill, you haven'teaten well, you didn't exercise
and you haven't done thoughtwork in two days because it's
the weekend, no wonder you'reoff.
Maybe you should doinvestigating what's floating
(29:33):
around up there and start therebefore you decide any major
decisions or what you're tryingto do.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yeah, that's awesome, and that's again goes back to
such great awareness that youknow you've been able to harness
, to have such good impact onyou, and it is okay to feel
those emotions and that's whatthey are right, but they can
also be the signals that we needto wake us up, right.
So I want to thank you allagain for being here.
(29:56):
Happy New Year, love to hearwhat your intentions are and,
jill, please stay in touch withus and we'll see you again very
soon.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Hey everyone, thanks for listening.
Look, before I wrap, I wantedto tell you about a new program
that I'm launching in Februaryof 2022.
It is a group career coachingprogram, and I'm telling you
this because it's going to helpyou get clarity on your next
career moves.
It's going to help you tellyour unique career story or know
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how to fill in some of thosegaps and blanks in your resume.
It'll help you like leverageyour strengths and your natural
talent and thinking about how toachieve goals and perform at a
higher level to up-level yourexecutive presence and your
overall productivity.
And if you're looking forsupport in this area, I'm going
to put that link to get on thelist for more information in the
(30:48):
show notes, and I'd love tohave you join the program.
All right, friends, have agreat week and I'll see you next
time.
Thanks for listening to theCareer Refresh podcast.
If you're enjoying this podcastand you want more career and
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I'll also put that link in theshow notes, but before you go,
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word out to people everywhere sothey can also thrive in the
workplace.
I'll see you next time.
Hey there, I'm Jill Griffin and this is the Career
Refresh podcast.
I'm a former media andmarketing executive turned
career strategist and strengthscoach.
I spent my career working myway up and through the ranks of
global organizations andstartups, and today I show
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others how to do the same.
Join me each week as we discussthe strategies to leverage your
strengths, increase yourconfidence and visibility and
reset your career withactionable steps towards a finer
future.
Ready, let's do it.
Hey, my friends, welcome backto this week's podcast.
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Okay, this week I am sharing aninterview between Vicki Bradley
and myself.
Vicki is the founder and CEO ofWomen in Leadership, which is a
leadership training program forwomen everywhere we talk about
everything.
A leadership training programfor women everywhere.
We talk about everything.
We talk about workplace traumaand how to get through being
fired.
In that case, that's me how Iworked through being fired and
how I found career joy again.
(01:14):
So give a listen and let us knowwhat you think.
Either email me I'll includethat in the show notes at hello
at jillgriffincoachingcom, orreach out on Instagram and we
can chat there too.
All right, give a listen andI'll see you on the other side.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Jill Griffin has joined us today.
She is an executive coach,she's a speaker, and I love this
part.
She is a BS buster and you knowwe can all put our thought into
what BS might be, but it'sactually your belief systems.
We're excited to learn aboutbusting those belief systems.
(01:55):
She is recognized byAdvertising Age as one of the
top 25 women to watch.
She was also named one of the50 most influential people in
content marketing by News Cred.
She's also the two-time winnerof Media Week's Media Planner of
the Year and she has spentabout 20 years coaching and
building company cultures.
(02:15):
Jill also had a traumatic timein her life, with a brain injury
, and so today we're going to betalking about you know, how do
you rethink, how do you reset,reboot your life and career?
Well, let's jump in, because Iknow everybody's excited and our
time is always precious and wehave lots to cover off.
So let's just share a littlebit about your background so
(02:37):
that people have anunderstanding of you know the
marketing background you camefrom, the brain trauma and then
how you became this awesomecoach.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Great yeah.
So I actually started my careerat Atlantic Records and started
working in marketing, being instrategy, eventually moving into
advertising and then working onsome of the world's most
well-known brands things likeCoca-Cola, samsung, microsoft.
But what was happening is, justas my career trajectory was
taking off, I had a head injuryTraumatic brain injury is what
(03:09):
it would be classified as I washiking in Australia.
I took a solo trip to Australiato go hiking and I fell and it
resulted in me taking a tumbledown a small waterfall, but
still a waterfall.
So some other hikers helped meand the interesting thing about
brain injury is they'reinsidious and it took about a
good six months for the fullimpact of what had happened to
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really set in.
So it was the discovery thatcontinued to unveil itself over
the months post the concussionand then the brain injury.
And really, at that point, whatwas also happening is my career
.
I'm, you know I'm doing better.
I'm, you know, getting intomore and more opportunities and
more leadership positions.
(03:53):
But because of the cognitiveimpairment, I wasn't able to
tell what was my own ego and myown nonsense, what was
potentially a toxic situation ora tough work environment.
There's the velocity ofbusiness that's natural in any
environment and what's just sortof natural you know it's work,
not a hobby what's just sort ofnatural that happens in work and
(04:15):
I couldn't really discern whatwas what and I just got to a
point that I was like I'm outMeaning.
I have to figure this out.
It is a non-negotiable.
So what I ended up doing was Istarted to put connections
together that food andenvironment were making my
system, my symptoms, better orworse.
So I started to study the brain, brain health.
(04:38):
I became a functional nutritioneducator.
I became a health coach.
I started doing that work anddoing it through the lens of
food and environment, which iswhat helped me learn about the
brain, and then, learningeducator, I became a health
coach.
I started doing that work anddoing it through the lens of
food and environment, which iswhat helped me learn about the
brain, and then learningcognitive behavioral therapy,
positive psychology, andstarting to then implement it
and see that I was makingchanges and starting to be able
to perform better.
(04:58):
And then I just brought it backinto my day job because I was
doing all that while I stillmaintained the day job and in a
very short period of time, myperformance and the rewards and
the promotions started coming.
My team was doing better.
Everyone was like what is goingon?
And you know many leadership orsupervisors would be like two
for the price of one.
You're a marketing strategistand a coach like, go on, keep
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doing it Right.
So that's really what got meinto doing this.
And then about five years agoso I've been a coach for 18
years, but about five years agoI left corporate with grace and
excellence and went out on myown and I've been doing career
strategy and executive coachingfor the last five years
full-time.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Nice, nice.
Well, I mean, first of all,let's just go backwards a little
bit there.
I mean, okay, first of all,solo trip to Australia.
Thank the Lord, someone saw you, found you when you had me.
Like that's just, that isincredible, that that happened.
And you know that tenacity thatyou have to, you know, go out
and conquer the world, likeyou're demonstrating that in
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multiple ways, which isbeautiful to see.
Like you're demonstrating thatin multiple ways, which is
beautiful to see.
So I mean I'm glad to see thatyou're thriving and you know
you've got this great practiceand you're still implementing
what you were doing.
You're just helping otherslearn how to do that, which is
amazing.
So just to tap in for a fewminutes, if you don't mind, when
you talk about the brain healthand understanding the brain
(06:26):
more, what were maybe one or twoof the things that were most
pivotal for you to just to helpyou start to, you know, you know
recognize, like, where you wereand where you wanted to get to.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yeah, no, it's a great question.
I mean, I would say the firstthing that I had to figure out
was what was in my control andwhat was out of my control.
So what was in my control iswhat I put in my body and
understanding that there arefoods and things that might be
totally healthy and fine for you, but for me they would put me
into brain fog.
They would put my motor skillsreally sloppy.
(07:00):
I would often represent as if Iwas drunk Meanwhile.
I don't drink right.
I lighting stairwells.
Anything in my peripheralvision, if I'm in a workstation,
happens to be facing a pathwaywith lots of movement.
I would stand up and tip overright.
So there was a constant.
You know how invisibledisability is not really talked
(07:22):
about.
And invisible disability isanything that's going to impair
your everyday ability to take onregular actions, and it's
anything from brain injuries anddizziness to asthma, ms, you
know, ulcerative colitis.
I mean anything that's going toimpair.
And things are very differenttoday and we're getting more and
more awareness.
But when this first happened tome 18 years ago, there was no
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invisible disability section ofthe employee workbook.
Right, you're just figuring outon your own.
So the part that I could controlwas what I could put in my
environment, and then also therewas parts I couldn't control.
There's many things about theenvironment that I couldn't
control.
So does it mean that, which youknow, if we get into a little
bit about the firing that I had?
(08:06):
I mean a lot of that had to dowith how I couldn't perform in
an environment.
That was being interpreted asme not being a team player
because I couldn't.
So and just really gettingunderstanding of what I can and
can't do.
So that, and knowing yournon-negotiables, like it is a
non-negotiable for me to go to aplace that has blinking lights
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and alcohol.
It's just not going to work.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, wow.
So so many things you sharedthere and I do want to jump into
.
You know the trauma of gettingfired in just a second.
But even you know, like, thinkback 18 years ago as an employer
.
I'm sure that some of yourcolleagues were even looking at
you going.
What is wrong with her?
Like, is she on drugs?
Speaker 1 (08:47):
I can only imagine a hundred percent.
They must've been like she's soweird.
Because what?
Because I didn't tell anybodyright.
I didn't want it to impact myopportunity and I just hit it.
I mean, my friends and familyknew, but I wasn't talking about
it.
So I got to this level ofconstantly compartmentalizing my
(09:07):
life, which is really living alie which is exhausting.
I was just because I thought ifyou knew, then you would be like
you know you'd, you'd want totake care and be like, oh well,
maybe Jill should do that.
Meanwhile, I'd be like, no, letme decide.
And again doesn't mean I mean,this was true.
This is my thought processbased on, you know, direct and
indirect signaling that I wouldreceive within our culture.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, wow, wow, and that is such a I mean, that is
such a critical comment that youmade, like, because we do
create those stories ourselves,right?
And we think that other peopleare thinking these things
Meanwhile.
You know, most of the time theydon't have a clue as to what's
going on, but we're fuelingourselves with that which which
can manifest physical ailmentsand and you know, the good thing
(09:52):
is, you didn't allow that todefine you.
So, yeah, so let's jump intoand talk about, like, what
happened, you know, when you gotfired, and then how did you,
how did you find that joy againwith a career?
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah, so the trauma was legit.
You know I mean getting fired,at least you know I live in the
U?
S and most of us our healthcareis employer sponsored.
So I have a brain injury.
I have a traumatic brain injury.
If I don't have healthcare Idon't get better.
So losing my job meant you'reactually taking away my ability
to get help and get thehealthcare that I need.
(10:27):
So that trauma first was theinitial blow of like what am I
going to do, right?
So that was part one.
And then part two is I neededsupport.
Like, as I said, I got my facecoached off and it's really what
helped me come into.
One of the reasons why I do whatI do today is helping people
work within the environment insituations that sometimes are
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absolutely untenable.
But we still get to choose howwe want to work within an
environment and other times ourbrains being a total jerk and we
have to question and like isthis true?
You know, a friend of minealways says it's like you're a
toddler with a knife right, likeyour brain is sort of doing it
to yourself.
Like is this really true?
(11:10):
And is this how I want to thinkabout things, so that you know,
just to sort of set the stagethere.
And then the other thing that Idid in order to deal with the
trauma being fired is I had todecide how were they right?
Right, because I needed to freemyself and not be the victim,
because if I make them right now, I can acknowledge that okay.
That's you know, we're inagreement and I now take my
(11:32):
power back, because victimsdon't recover.
If you stay in that victimmentality, you're not going to
move on.
So I had to find the way tofree myself and this meant that
when I was told that I didn'tparticipate in after work
activities with clients thatwould often be like drinking and
shots and things like that,they're right I didn't
(11:53):
participate, but I didn't tellthem.
Well, that's totally not true.
Some people knew, some peopledidn't right.
When one of the leaders insistedon constantly having client
meetings on her yacht and Icouldn't go on her yacht and
told her why, she was like Ithink you can.
I think you're making this upRight.
(12:14):
I haven't been on a boat in 18years.
That's not a car based ferry,cause I can't be on a boat.
That type of rocking justdoesn't like the impact is at
the moment.
It can be days or weeks afterthat.
I'm still lost my motor skillsbecause of the vestibular issue.
So I could make her the villain,or I can just say from what her
(12:35):
unconscious understanding wasand yes, she heard the words
that I had a brain injury and avestibular impairment, but she
didn't really know.
So I wasn't participating, Iwasn't able to.
And you know, I think it'sfunny because I remember she
said to me that I was strategic,successful and fabulous, but
today is going to be my last dayand I was like you don't want
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people who are strategic andsuccessful and fabulous on your
team and she was like we're done.
And then she left and I waslike okay, right.
So that was like really likewow, and like again, again.
Do I want to be in a positionin which I'm a victim or do I
want to say okay, how am I goingto approach this?
How am I going to think aboutthis differently?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
wow, good for you.
I mean that's, that's huge.
Because I mean, okay, I getwhat you're saying and that was
incredible awareness that youhad about being the victim or a
villain, or you know, do youwant to let somebody else take
your power from you or do youwant to stand in that power?
But even from her perspective,like she can't see it, because
(13:38):
looking at you, you look great,right, nobody would ever know
that there was anything wrongwith you.
So that's that's a.
That's in itself is difficult,right, because they can't see it
.
Only you are experiencing it.
Yeah, wow, wow, that was that'sa, and good for you for
overcoming that and recognizing,like, how do you?
(13:59):
What's the go forward?
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Because the go forward was there's no more
shame, there's no more hiding.
Like I was probably a heatseeking missile of resentment
because I kept wanting to beback pre-injury and that is not
a possibility because Iliterally broke stuff within my
ear canals right.
Like I can't fix that andconstantly saying to myself okay
(14:22):
, I'm going to believe in myselfand I know what I'm really good
at and, knowing my ownstrengths and how am I going to
lean into that?
And that's really where Istarted to get my joy back.
Like it can be true that Ican't go on a yacht and I can't
therefore enjoy the camaraderieand the bonding and the
collaboration between thecompany and clients, and that's
true.
But it doesn't mean thateverything then, like we go to
(14:46):
all or nothing, thinking andreally teaching myself that like
this is one moment in time andin a couple of years from now,
it's not going to matter.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Maybe in a week from now, it's not going to matter?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah, no, exactly, Exactly.
That's wonderful, and and so,to your point though, the mind
is very powerful, right?
So?
So how did you develop thosemindset practices that you know
help you to deal with yourdisability, and how people
started to see you, but yourcareer and just your overall
life?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Yeah, yeah, great question.
So I devoured everything that Icould like that came into my
vision, meaning so my insatiablecuriosity, reading about other
successful people and then alsoother people who had challenges,
whether visible or invisible,and starting to put together the
threads of what you know.
(15:38):
The circumstances are alldifferent, but starting to put
through some of the threads inwhich I was taking away and a
lot maybe it came down to thatyour thought, your thought,
becomes your reality, and a lotmaybe it came down to that your
thought, your thought, becomesyour reality.
So I joke with my clients allthe time and say be ridiculous,
be outrageous, because itbecomes your reality.
Right, I can live in my realityand so, just to take that from
(16:00):
like sort of the esoteric intothe real, I can open social
media first thing in the morning, and now that becomes my
reality.
So, whatever tension orwhatever is going on in
everybody else's mindset, nowI've decided to borrow and now
I'm in that, or I can choose tonot do that, right, and
therefore I have another reality.
(16:22):
I mean, it's something assimple as that is being really
clear in what I'm putting in mybody, whether it's mental or
physical, and that went to likethe content that I consume, and
you know I made my career as acontent creator, so I was a
ferocious consumer of content.
So what's the content I'mputting in my body?
How am I thinking about thisReally, starting every day with
(16:45):
a prayer and meditation practice, this really starting every day
with a prayer and meditationpractice?
I then also do possibility work.
I really think about what'spossible for today and then I go
to the experience of if thepossibility is realized, it is
the day after the possibilitywhat like?
Like, as I say, you know, likeNew Year's Eve is coming.
There's nothing you need to doto make New Year's Eve come.
(17:08):
You just get to decide Are youcelebrating, are you dressing,
are you going out, are youcoming in?
That's the way I think aboutpossibility.
This thing is possible.
I will get past this.
So how do I want to do it?
In the meantime, and I let thatfeeling, I use feelings as fuel
, I let that rev up in my bodyand then, since my thoughts
(17:30):
become things if I'm takingaction from joy and inspiration
and determination and focus,guess what I'm going to create
Versus if I'm taking action fromfear and graspy and urgency and
like I have to get out of thisposition.
Guess what I'm going to createand that's really what this
journey has been isunderstanding that like this is
(17:50):
a billion dollar machine, andI'm going to protect it as much
as possible.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Wow, you said so many things there.
Wow, I first of all.
We're cut from the same cord,okay.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
I'll just tell you that I'm the same.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
It's like if you believe it, you'll achieve it
Right.
I'm the same.
It's like if you believe it,you'll achieve it Right, and
(18:25):
it's that knowing it fully inyour soul that the possibility
is there.
So I love that what I bothcoach on this.
So often people struggle to seethat possibility.
What are, what are maybe twothings that you do for yourself
to really help that, helpsomeone move from that place of
impossible to possible?
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Yeah, that is a really great question and very
needed.
I try to find the neutralizedthought.
Like I always say, I can't takeyou from first to fifth gear,
I'll blow the clutch.
I have to pass you throughneutral.
So if you're in a place whereoh my God, this is what's
happened, at a place that's like, oh my God, this is never going
to happen, what's the thoughtin between?
(19:07):
Or maybe there's a few thoughtsin between, this idea of like,
all right, it's possible, itcould happen.
I'm willing to believe it'spossible.
I'm open to seeing that it'spossible.
Right, and you just start likewiggling off the two thoughts a
little bit and finding somethingin the center is one of the
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things that I use regularly.
And then also, if anyone'sfamiliar with Byron Katie's work
I love her questions, is ittrue?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, I do too Can.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
I prove it true and usually by the time I say, can I
prove it?
It's done because you it feelstrue, you can't prove it yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah, awesome, that's great.
Yeah, I love her work.
It's beautiful.
The other one you made me thinkabout when you were speaking
there, and I don't know ifyou've read this yet, but Dr Joe
Dispenza's Supernatural, haveyou?
Yes?
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah, it's been a while but it's come up a few
times, so it means I need torefresh that reading that book
again.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah, it's like so powerful because it's really
what you know.
It sounds like what you'reembodying it's what I'm
embodying as well about you knowthe possibility and shifting
that energy from a place ofcan't to can and really
believing what's possible.
But great book, I love that oneAwesome.
What's possible, but great bookI love that one Awesome.
(20:32):
So what do you feel like havebeen maybe the most important
lessons in your life?
You know, you bet you were thisyou know amazing career person,
had this awesome you know workthat you were doing, and then
now you have this invisibledisability.
What have you learned?
Speaker 1 (20:48):
through that?
Yeah, that is a great question.
I think the first thing I wouldsay that I've learned is like
there are no geographicalsolutions.
So I think it's gonna be betterwhen I get there, or if we
think, if I, you know what,maybe I should just move to a
different city, or what I hear alot.
(21:09):
Um, you know, talking with aclient yesterday who was saying
like I just feel if I could getthe new job, if I get the new
job, I'll get like my motivationback and I'll feel better.
And it's like you know, itdoesn't work that way.
I mean, jon Kabat-Zinn wrotethe book wherever you are there,
you are right, like it's you'rebringing yourself with you.
So the biggest thing for me hasalways been like I got to clean
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this up first.
And again, if you are in asituation where it's threatening
or abusive, we're not talkingabout that, but we're talking
about thinking within thegeneral malaise of work and life
and career, when we want sourgently to do something, there
are no geographical solutionsand really find a way to clean
(21:56):
that up.
And the second thing that I'velearned is that if I'm coming
from urgency and I'm not runningfrom a burning building, then
it's fear, talking, so reallychecking myself and being like,
is this really urgent?
Do I have to really send thisemail right now?
Do I have to get this doneright now, or is there some fear
behind that?
And then just again becomingthe examiner of my thinking and
(22:19):
like what is really going onhere, and then I think some
level of acceptance, like selfis going to happen and like why
not me Right?
Like you know, I would say thefirst two or so years post the
injury, there was a lot of whyme?
Because I'm a young womanliving in New York city who now
can't go out to bars and not beimpacted Like I would go out,
(22:42):
but then I'd be the weird girlin the corner literally holding
the bar because of the lighting,the music, the noise.
I'm in like a vestibularnightmare and I'm trying to hold
on.
I'm like, oh sure, I lookdateable, like, oh, let me get
her number Right.
So so just having like a levelof compassion for myself, like I
(23:04):
, I did the best I could at thattime and then I was just like I
can't.
If you know, if it's in me,it's for me, it's going to
happen.
It just may not be right now.
So, understanding that level ofcompassion and like it, there
has to be a level of acceptancelike this.
There's going to be a newnormal and you know I've said
(23:25):
this before but my brain injurywas the greatest gift I could
have ever.
Like I didn't ask for it, butit was the greatest gift I ever
got because of so many giftsthat have come from it and a
level of awareness that wouldnot have been there had I not
had it.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yeah, Beautiful, beautiful.
I think that's that's such animportant aspect, right, because
it opened your mind up to somany other things and because
you're tenacious, you've got tofind, like, how do I not survive
, but how do I thrive?
I mean, this has happened, likeI'm living with this now, so
(24:00):
what do I do with it?
Because that becomes the choice, right, you can become-.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
And if today is a day where you're only surviving,
that's okay, because it's notpermanent.
Nothing is permanent, so itwill shift at some point.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Nice, nice, I love it .
So how do you feel, or whathave you done really to create
that balance between the workand life and being able to live
with your injury so that you canthrive and survive?
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yeah Well, I call it my three C's right, which is
clarity, certainty andconfidence.
So the first is like I have toget real clarity on what are my
non-negotiables, what are theyeses, the nos and the maybes.
Like you need a criteria foryour maybe and that's everything
(24:54):
.
From you know, for so manyyears I would give what I viewed
as my best to what I did fromMonday through Friday at work,
and then by Friday I wouldbasically spend half the weekend
in bed because I'd be soexhausted or, you know,
cognitively and vestibularlymessed up so that the people
(25:17):
that I care about and the peopleI love aren't getting me.
So I had to be really clear oflike it's a bit of tough
mentality of time management,but also like, okay, I choose to
do this work for a living andthere is going to need to be
some level of like going out andsocializing, but it's one night
this week, that's it.
So what am I?
(25:37):
How am I doing?
How am I looking at things?
How am I carving out that youknow I'm no longer doing the
call at 5 am with Dubai in theoffice?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Right.
So sure, that's a requirementof the job and that's OK because
I get to work with other otherpeople across the world and
learn great things about theirculture and their way of doing
business.
But you know, maybe I can do itwith the screen off in my you
know, my jams and, like you know, do it later.
So I think what's so funny iswe at least speaking for myself.
(26:13):
We tell ourselves stories thatI have to be in the office
dressed and ready to do thatkind of thing where you really
don't like you're showing up andyou're doing the job.
So again, it's like it'sgetting that level of clarity.
I could do that call and then Ican do yoga, and then I can get
in the shower and if I come inan hour or two later, I've
(26:35):
already been working like it's,you know, but there's never been
a time in my life wheresomeone's been like Griffin,
where were you?
But we tell ourselves thesestories that we have to do
things a certain way.
So that type of clarity hasbeen really helpful.
And then the second thing islike the thoughts it really
comes back to how do I want totrain my brain to create the
(26:57):
results that I want.
So getting really certain inthe thoughts that I want to be
practicing regularly, thethoughts that I believe already
and affirming them.
And when I don't have somethinglike we just said, like how do
I find like a neutralization orhow do I wiggle off that?
Or how do I go get coached?
I mean, I have plenty offriends who have coached.
I have my own coach, like youknow.
(27:18):
For some people it might betherapy, depending on what
they're working through.
Some people it might be therapy, depending on what they're
working through.
Some people it might becoaching.
But it's so much better to notdo this alone.
So go get the help right.
Like the, the impact of havinga coach now, probably for 20
years in some capacity differentcoaches, different groups,
(27:39):
different times.
Like that level of gettingcertain that you're able to
shape your own thoughts andyou're not outsourcing your
thinking to everybody else andbeing like well, what do you
think?
What do you think, what do youthink?
And then all of a sudden it'slike your thought goes to the
highest bidder.
It's like sure, check with afew people that are trusted
confidants.
But then what do I think?
How do I want to go about this?
And then the last thing is likewithin confidence is that so
(28:02):
often we're so afraid toexperience a crummy emotion and
emotion sometimes really arejust like it's just a
neurochemical, it's justpulsating through my body.
I can get through this.
It sucks, I don't want to feelthis way right now, but if I
allow myself to feel it, I'mgoing to get through the other
side, which means I can createconfidence because I know that I
(28:24):
can experience anything andeven if it's uncomfortable or
like I don't want thisexperience, I know I can get
through it.
Because if I don't, what I'veseen, both in some of my own
behaviors over the years andthen what I see in clients it
leads to this likeoverconsumption.
So we're either we don't wantto feel it, so we overwork, we
(28:46):
over social media, we're bingingon Netflix, food, alcohol,
recreational drugs because wejust don't want to feel that
thing and it's like you justkeep letting yourself process it
Eventually.
The way the brain works, it goes.
Yeah, this sucks and I don'twant this, but I know how to get
through it, going back to whereit creates confidence.
So those are the things thatI've done and again I sort of
(29:06):
bucketed them for myself intothat sort of 3C.
So I remember when I'm in themoment where my brain is being
the toddler with the knife andlike the jerk okay, what's
happening right now?
Oh well, jill, you haven'teaten well, you didn't exercise
and you haven't done thoughtwork in two days because it's
the weekend, no wonder you'reoff.
Maybe you should doinvestigating what's floating
(29:33):
around up there and start therebefore you decide any major
decisions or what you're tryingto do.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yeah, that's awesome, and that's again goes back to
such great awareness that youknow you've been able to harness
, to have such good impact onyou, and it is okay to feel
those emotions and that's whatthey are right, but they can
also be the signals that we needto wake us up, right.
So I want to thank you allagain for being here.
(29:56):
Happy New Year, love to hearwhat your intentions are and,
jill, please stay in touch withus and we'll see you again very
soon.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Hey everyone, thanks for listening.
Look, before I wrap, I wantedto tell you about a new program
that I'm launching in Februaryof 2022.
It is a group career coachingprogram, and I'm telling you
this because it's going to helpyou get clarity on your next
career moves.
It's going to help you tellyour unique career story or know
(30:27):
how to fill in some of thosegaps and blanks in your resume.
It'll help you like leverageyour strengths and your natural
talent and thinking about how toachieve goals and perform at a
higher level to up-level yourexecutive presence and your
overall productivity.
And if you're looking forsupport in this area, I'm going
to put that link to get on thelist for more information in the
(30:48):
show notes, and I'd love tohave you join the program.
All right, friends, have agreat week and I'll see you next
time.
Thanks for listening to theCareer Refresh podcast.
If you're enjoying this podcastand you want more career and
mindset tips, get on my emaillist by going to
jillgriffincoachingcom.
I'll also put that link in theshow notes, but before you go,
(31:11):
please rate and review thispodcast, as it helps me get the
word out to people everywhere sothey can also thrive in the
workplace.
I'll see you next time.
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