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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, let's start
with something I think many of
us might dread.
Imagine you're trying to findcare, really good care for
someone you love, you know, aparent maybe, or your partner.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Right.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
And you're making
calls, you're searching, hoping
and you just keep hearing oh,I'm so sorry, we just don't have
anyone available right now.
That feeling, that kind ofdesperation, almost well, that's
becoming a really commonreality for families all over
the country.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
It really is and what
we're digging into today, based
on the sources, is this thingpeople are calling the invisible
crisis.
It's this major, growingshortage of caregivers.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Yeah, not just a
small issue.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
No, not at all.
It's a huge societal problemreally affecting millions of
people already.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
And the numbers
looking forward.
They're pretty stark, aren'tthey?
Like by 2030, we might needanother 8 million caregivers.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
That's the projection
8 million additional.
But I mean, the problem isn'tjust looming, it's hitting hard
right now.
Right now, yeah, we're seeingthese reports Home care agencies
actually turning away.
What is it?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
40% 40%, that's
almost half.
Half the people asking for helpare being told essentially
sorry, no one's here.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
It's shocking when
you put it like that and for a
long time, the standard answer.
The focus has always been onrecruitment.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Get more people.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, how do we hire
more caregivers?
So you hear about better wages,benefits, more training.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Which are all
incredibly important, obviously.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Undeniably,
Absolutely crucial pieces.
But the TEDx talk we looked atit throws a bit of a curveball,
doesn't it?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
It really does.
It asks well, are we asking theright question, or maybe just
one of the right questions?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Exactly what if,
instead of only focusing on
finding all those new people?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Which is still
important.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Still important, yes,
but what if we also looked at
how we can help more people withthe caregivers we already have,
make them more effective, maybe?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Okay.
So that's a shift.
It's moving from just plugginggaps to rethinking the whole
delivery system.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
That's the idea.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
The talk highlights
how some agencies weren't just
struggling.
I mean, yeah, many were turningclients away.
The usual story.
But, there was this other group.
They were actually managingokay, even expanding, serving
more clients.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
And their caregivers
were happier.
That's interesting.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Right More satisfied
with their jobs?
So the question becomes butwere they doing differently.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah, let's get into
that.
What's the secret sauce here?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Well, the core idea,
the argument in the talk boils
down to thoughtful technologyintegration.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Thoughtful, that word
seems key.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Very key Because this
isn't, you know, science
fiction robots taking over.
It's about using tech smartly,strategically, to support the
humans doing the caring.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Right, Because my
first thought might be oh,
technology and care, that soundscold, impersonal.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
A common reaction.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
But the example they
use, the one about medication
reminders.
I think that really clarifiesit.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Okay, walk us through
that.
How does that work?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
So traditionally
right.
A caregiver might have to driveacross town just to make sure
someone takes their pills ontime Super important Time-.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Time consuming,
especially with traffic and
travel between clients.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Exactly, it eats up
so much time.
But these successful agencies,they're using tech platforms,
things that can send reminders,remotely monitor if meds were
taken.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Ah, okay.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
So one caregiver can
kind of oversee this for several
clients at once.
They only need to physicallyintervene or call if the system
flags a problem like a misseddose, or if you know that person
needs more direct support atthat moment.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
So it frees up their
actual in-person time for the
harder stuff, the things only aperson can do.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Precisely the
hands-on care, the complex needs
, the human connection.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
And there was that
story, wasn't there, about Maria
, the caregiver in Phoenix.
That really hit home for me.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Oh yeah, maria's
story is powerful.
She'd been a caregiver foryears, loved the work but was
getting totally burned out.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
By what the care
itself?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
No, actually by the
paperwork Just drowning in
documentation admin tasks.
It was stealing time from herpatients.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
The part she actually
loved.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
The reason she got
into it.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Then her agency
brought in a new system like a
digital way to handledocumentation, Much more
streamlined.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
And what happened.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
It gave her back
about two hours every single day
, two hours she could spend oncare.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
And her quote was
something like for the first
time in years, I remember why Ibecame a caregiver.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
That says it all
really.
It shows how tech, used right,isn't just about efficiency
numbers, it's about thecaregiver's well-being too,
their job satisfaction.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Absolutely, it makes
the job sustainable more
rewarding.
Absolutely, it makes the jobsustainable more rewarding.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
And the talk makes a
point that this caregiver
shortage it's not just hittinghome care right Ripples outward
oh, definitely, the effects aresystem-wide.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Think about hospitals
.
They struggle to dischargepatients who need follow-up care
at home, but there's no oneavailable, so beds stay full.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Right and nursing
facilities.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Same problem,
sometimes closing entire wings
because they just don't have thestaff.
And then there are the familiespeople leaving their jobs yeah,
countless people stepping outof the workforce because they
have to become full-time, unpaidcaregivers.
There's simply no professionalhelp available or affordable.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
And the economic cost
of all that?
Yeah, massive, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
It's huge.
The AARP figure cited is $522billion annually in lost
productivity alone.
Half a trillion dollars Justwow, it's a staggering number,
but you know, beyond the dollarsand cents, there's the human
cost People losing their dignity, their independence, because
they can't get the basic supportthey need.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
So just to circle
back to that core idea,
technology, when it's usedthoughtfully, isn't the enemy
here.
It can be an ally.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
A powerful ally.
It's about amplifying the reach, the impact of the caregivers
we do have.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Letting them focus
their skills where they're
needed most Exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
On the complex care,
the empathy, the relationship
building, the stuff machinescan't do.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Okay, but let's be
real when you talk about more
tech and caregiving people haveconcerns, legitimate ones that
talk.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Acknowledge that
right.
Yes, absolutely, and it'scrucial we don't gloss over them
.
Things like data privacy hugeconcern.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Definitely Protecting
sensitive health information.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
And the digital
divide.
What about people who don'thave internet access or aren't
comfortable with technology?
We can't leave them behind.
Good point.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
And the fear of it
feeling less human
depersonalized, that's a big one.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
The worry that care
becomes transactional, that you
lose that vital human connection, these are all serious
considerations.
They need careful thought,ethical guidelines, proper
implementation considerations.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
They need careful
thought, ethical guidelines,
proper implementation.
But then the talk flips itright.
It presents this counterpointabout the current situation.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yeah, basically says
look the reality now, with
agencies turning away 40 percentof people, that's already a
form of rationing care, isn't it?
That's a strong way to put itrationing care.
We are effectively, even ifunintentionally, deciding who
gets help and who doesn't,simply based on staff
availability.
That's the status quo.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
And it's not an
acceptable status quo.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Not really.
The argument is we can dobetter, we have to do better.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
So let's paint that
picture.
Imagine a future wheretechnology does handle more of
the routine stuff the reminders,the monitoring, maybe even some
documentation.
What does that actually allowthe caregiver to do?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Well, it frees them
up, it gives them the time, the
mental space to really connectwith the person they're caring
for.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Build relationships.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yes, handle the more
complex physical or emotional
needs, provide comfort, offercompanionship, just be present
in a truly human way.
Things technology can supportbut never replace.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
So the question we
should be asking isn't just how
do we find more caregivers?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
No, it shifts, yeah.
The guiding question becomessomething more like how do we
maximize the impact, the reach,the effectiveness of every
single dedicated caregiver wehave right now?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
It's a subtle shift,
but it feels profound.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
It changes the way
you approach the problem.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
And it brings us
right back to that initial fear,
that worry about calling forhelp and hearing no.
The talk ends with a reallyhopeful question, doesn't it?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
It does.
It asks us to imagine what ifno family ever had to hear those
words again I'm sorry, we don'thave enough caregivers.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Wow, that possibility
.
It reframes the whole thing.
I'm sorry we don't have enoughcaregivers.
Wow, that possibility.
It reframes the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
It's not just a
healthcare logistics issue.
It's bigger.
It's absolutely a societalissue, a societal imperative.
Really, as the talk points out,this affects everyone.
Sooner or later.
Most of us will either needcare or be involved in caring
for someone.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
So the big takeaway
from this deep dive seems to be
this urgent need to wellreimagine how we deliver care,
especially now with theseshortages.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yes, rethink the
models and, crucially, remember
that core message abouttechnology.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
That it's the tool.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
A tool to enhance
human connection, not replace it
.
A way to make sure that care isavailable to everyone who needs
it, and a way to let caregiversfocus on what they do best.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Because, ultimately,
this isn't really about the tech
itself or even the staffingstatistics, is it?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
No, when you boil it
all down.
It's about dignity, it's aboutindependence, it's about our
fundamental human need forconnection and support.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
And that's something
worth reimagining Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
That's definitely
worth reimagining.