November 14, 2023 • 52 mins
Ever wondered about the seismic shifts that AI is set to deliver on the landscape of social media? Ever imagined what it would be like to converse with the AI version of your favorite celebrity? Well, prepare to venture into an intriguing exploration of Meta's recent release of an AI assistant that just might redefine the way we interact with creators. We delve into the business aspect, with juicy tales of substantial sums offered to creators for use of their likeness. One creator reportedly pocketed a cool $5 million. Intrigued yet?
In a world rapidly being colonized by AI, could you envision a future where your brand is managed by a virtual assistant? With Meta's creation, we might well be on the precipice of such a reality. We explore this possibility, and question if this is the end game for social media. As we navigate the murky waters of ethical implications and privacy concerns, we bring to your notice the potential risks, like the harvesting of personal data from unsuspecting users. We also share a riveting video of an AI reciting a poem, a chilling reminder of how human-like these virtual beings can become.
As we steer towards the tail end of our discussion, we delve into the fascinating world of AI avatars. The thought of interacting with an AI replica of a real person is mind-boggling, and it prompts a whole new set of queries. What does it mean for personalized advertising? Could it lead to dehumanized conversations? And might it offer a unique solution to those struggling with loneliness or social anxiety by creating parasocial relationships? But before we sign off, let's discuss some ways you can lend your support to our podcast and ensure we keep bringing you these thought-provoking conversations.
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We might need to get some videoof it, but it's a pretty neat
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Exactly.
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So, with that said, man, let'sroll deeper into this topic.
And man, you want to take us?
Yeah, of course, of course.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I'll take you on the ride.
So yeah, there was a reportthat came out a day ago or so a
few days ago, I think where itwas talking about Meta in the
process of releasing some AI,some new AI assistance.
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But what their hook is, asopposed to what we've already
gotten from, like Bard and Bingand ChatGBT is that you get to
use these AI assistants asthough you're kind of talking to
their real-life counterparts.
So what Meta did was the reportsays that essentially they
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approached multiple differentfamous creators and offered and
asked if they could use theirlikeness for their AIs for a
certain sum of money.
This report shows that one ofthe creators an unknown one, we
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don't know was paid about $5million, but apparently
originally Meta was going tooffer this person $1 million but
essentially went upwards.
So, if we can, so one.
And the report just says therewas a top creator.
We don't know exactly what thatmeans, we don't know who that
could be, but I would imagine ifthis is a creator, so like some
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sort of a YouTuber or somethinglike that, because they do have
you know what.
Let me go ahead and just talkabout some of the people that
they rounded up in this AIpursuit.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
You want me to start throwing out some names?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah go ahead, throw them out there, man.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Okay, so again.
First of all, darian, thank youfor the notification.
Gang bro Always appreciate it.
Yeah, so, like we mentioned,dwayne Wade, kendall Jenner, tom
Brady, charlie D'Amelio, mrBeast model, mr Beast Denison
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and, I believe, paracilton itwas weird because from the side
it looked like a Megan trainer.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yes, yeah, yeah, so it's a little vague on that one.
That was a little bit harder.
Another face that is on thereand we didn't get the chance to
talk about it was a Snoop Dogg.
Yes, is on there, which isreally interesting, and then a
couple of.
There's an MMA fighter I forgotwhat his name is.
(09:02):
If you remember the show, evenStevens, the dad from Even
Stevens is on there.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
What, yeah, dude, that's such a 90s kid's appeal.
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I know no.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
It's so weird.
So to further explain that too,what Metta has done is they've
reached out to these people andpaid them for their likeness,
just so they can have this AIversion of them.
Now, the name doesn't representthem, but their personality
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does not just their looks, andthat's what's weird about the
videos, which I know will showyou some.
But it makes you wonder,because everything that's been
generated by AI on theseprofiles clearly shows it.
It will have a watermark onthere that says so, but the
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videos don't, and that's equallyeasy to put on videos, as is
photos.
But when you see like this,probably the most confounding
one to me was Tom Brady.
There was one with CharlieD'Amelio that we watched, where
it showed her getting ready forher day, and the movements were
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too fluid to where AI is at thispoint.
Believe it was AI Exactly.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
It weren't weird enough.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yeah, but Tom Brady, it was right in between.
I don't know man.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I.
Still feel like it it was.
It was fake or not fake, but areal video, like with actual
time breaking, and they're justusing his, his profile.
But but yeah, I mean you're,you're right, though, like it's,
it's hard to distinguish likeReal versus fake, so it's really
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interesting.
I One thing to note, too, isthat this unknown person right,
who essentially leaked a lot ofthis information, said that it
they were in a studio with Metapeople For like six hours and
they got paid five milliondollars for it right, you know
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so it's Kind of interesting,it's kind of crazy, crazy.
Honestly, for me I feel likefive million dollars is a little
too cheap.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Oh, Well, yeah, I Agree.
I think we have to get into whythat is, though, yeah, yeah and
sorry, go ahead.
No, I mean, and we will.
I don't know if we need to doit off the top, but I think you
know just even that.
I know that sounds crazy, right, like all of us would love to
have five million dollars, butNow let's just go ahead and get
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into it, because, well, I wantto know from you people on the
stream right now is you people?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
our viewers.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
I want to know.
I want to know from our viewerswhat they think about this.
Just off the top right, becauseto me, to be scrolling through
Instagram, or Well, I mean,that'd probably be the most
likely situation right now,since this is owned by Meta I'm
scrolling through Instagram anda real pops up of a fake
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Character that's supposed to belike a real person.
Why, what value is that?
Adding me, I Mean only peoplethat are really into AI art, an
AI media, which I think is aniche part of the population.
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You know, niche in the way ofthey like it.
That much, you know, I think,is weird and uncommon.
I yeah, it's very bizarre to me.
So I'd love to know where ourviewers think about this.
For the five million dollars,the thing about this is this was
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, from what I remember yousaying, a two-year contract,
right?
Yeah, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
It's two-year contract to have their likeness.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Right.
So they're gonna use this totrain their AI and eventually
it's gonna be completely gone.
You know these characters willand then they'll just have
original AI Characters that youinteract with on on social media
.
Zari, picking up, you know I'ma huge fan of the show Loki.
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It just came back on.
If you're on Instagram rightnow, you could message an AI
chatbot that's acting like missminutes from the show, if any of
you are familiar with that, andthat's more fun.
You know, that's more of anengagement kind of a thing, but
it's also marketing and that wasa part of this at Denison.
(13:59):
Brought up to that, you think.
So play right into the purposeof these right.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, exactly, um, yeah, so I mean One.
I also wanted to give creditwhere credit to do this idea
wasn't wholly me, it was my.
My fiance actually suggestedthat we cover this topic because
, you know, it's it's really in.
It's really interesting,honestly, to think that we're at
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this point right because on.
It's funny because earlier thisyear we watched A movie not a
movie, but an episode from blackmirror, the show black mirror,
where they were already talkingabout something like this right,
where it was, yeah, where itwas essentially Netflix right or
a Amalgamation of Netflix rightin the black mirror universe,
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was by you Subscribing to thisservice and agreeing to their
you know, privacy policy orwhatever like that.
You, or the terms andconditions, I should really say
you gave away your likeness tothem to create Content and so in
this one to show, essentiallythey were following this one
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character and creating contentoff of their life, and it was
really interesting and just kindof went through a whole deal
and like it would rope incelebrities and use, like AI,
created versions of thosecelebrities to to act out Scenes
of this one person's life, andit was all because this one
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celebrity said yeah, sure, I'llsign over, right, so that you
can do that, because they paidme, like you know, the hundred
million dollars or somethinglike that, something crazy, but
they had like their like, theirlike, their like, their like,
their like, their like, theirlike, their like Something crazy
, but they had, like theirlikeness forever that they could
use however they want, and soit's really interesting to see
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this kind of coming true.
Only, really, in truth, like afew months later, after that
episode came out, um, that thatmeta is doing something similar
to it.
You know, of course, it's alittle bit different, but it's
in the same vein and Uh, thereason why I said earlier that I
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think five million dollars istoo cheap, um, for two years, is
is that and I'm sure there'sother creators that they, or
other celebrities Creators thatthey paid more than this one
person, right, so we're just, weonly have this as a as a
benchmark for our Understandingexactly where they might fall,
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be at least on the base levelwas one million dollars, so you
know, we can extrapolate fromthere.
But, um, I think the biggestthing about it is that you now
allow Meta to one use your aiassistant to talk to millions
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and millions of people, um, and,in some ways, sure, a lot of
these ai's and, um, I'm gonnapull these up in just a moment
but a lot of these ai's Won't ordon't have the same names as
the people that they're modeledoff of, right, um, but they do
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have they're.
They're essentially acting likethis person, right?
I saw a, a video of Someone whois in the early access program.
Because all of this is Earlyaccess, right, it's not
something that we have actuallyaccess to right now.
It's something that they'regoing to release later on this
year, I think early next year.
(17:59):
But, um, but even like, whenyou're chatting in that video,
when they were chatting withthis person, with this ai, right
, it was showing like a littlepicture of that person While
they were chatting with them andthey were making faces and,
like you know, kind of bobbingaround and stuff, and so it's.
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You know, you have these deeper.
You have these people who maycreate these deep bonds,
parasocial relationships withthese ai's and in some ways,
they're really In some wayscreating these parasocial
relationships which we alreadyhave an issue with general, with
these actual celebrities.
Uh, that I feel like the lines,the lines start getting blurry,
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and so five million dollars isway too cheap for the amount of
money that Basebook in generalis going to gain just from users
using these applications, noteven getting outside of the
realm of like users.
Um, I think it's gonna be likemaybe backlash or screenshotting
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, saying like look what thisperson said to me, or look, look
, look what kindle Jenner justtold me when it's you know, the
ai assistant and whatever likethat.
But they're gonna be like, well, look what this person did, or
whatever like that and thebacklash that they're going to
have to deal with.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
You know, it's just one of those things where it's
like I, I just feel like fivemillion dollars is too cheap,
honestly honestly, you know, Ihave to say, in the way of a
couple of these people thatsigned up for this, I'm kind of
disappointed with them, you know, because there's such a
slippery slope and all they'reseeing is the bottom line.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
you know, instant cash.
Yeah, six hours worth of work,at least from what I can tell,
right.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Yeah, well, and the argument denison made too is
that, you know, by interactingwith these people or these ai,
um, it's only going to increasethe Efficiency of meta's ai and
then could even lead to a worldwhere, um, we don't even have,
we're not even on social media.
(20:18):
You know, it's our AI doing ourbranding for us.
Yeah, I mean that, I don't know, man, I don't want to sound
like you know I'm outside of thelines or you know I'm not for
this kind of crap.
Whatever, I'm not, but it justmakes me wonder if that is the
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thing.
That's the death of socialmedia.
You know what I'm saying?
I can see that.
I can see that, yeah, becausesocial media is literally man, I
don't know.
This is just such a bizarrestory.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, no, it is.
It's kind of like a BlackMirror episode.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
It really is, because social media is meant for
people to connect.
That's why it's social media.
You know what I mean.
If you're going on there andjust ingesting content from
artificial intelligence, it's sostrange.
It makes me wonder how longthis will last.
But I will say too.
Speaking of Black Mirrorepisodes, I haven't watched that
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show for a few years, but one Iremember very well is there was
an entire dating meetup, right,oh yeah, and it was like based
on online dating and all thiskind of stuff, but what you
found out was the whole thingthat you just watched was
actually just two AI acting outwhat it would be like if those
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two people dated, because theypaid for that on their dating
app, which is crazy, right, butit doesn't seem far fetched with
the duration if this were totake off, right.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, I mean, you're not wrong, you're not wrong at
all.
Like, yeah, it's perfectly easyto tell that that could be
something that could happen.
I mean, we've already in someways, with some of these
assistants that we're alreadyseeing right now, there's a kind
of doomsday scenario where ourworld could become a point to
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where, like, think about itright now, right, we already
have an AI that can essentiallysummarize what is in an email.
Right, give me the bulletpoints of that email, right, and
then you also could use thatsame AI to okay, cool, based on
this, this is how I wouldrespond, write me a response.
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So now it's gonna write you anice professional response.
And so we could have a point towhere, essentially, people are
interacting with AI.
Like there's just an exchangeof emails and flowing of
information, and all it's doingis an AI talking to another AI,
extrapolating that out so thatway people can look at it, and
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then text, essentially puttingit all back together and
shipping it back off to anotherAI to do the exact same thing,
and so it's like decoupling thathuman interaction.
And so I can easily seesomething similar to that,
especially since there was an.
A meta has already kind oftalked about plans of being able
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to do something similar to thisfor their own user base giving
people access to do somethingsimilar to this, to create a
avatar of sorts of yourself forpeople to interact with.
I think that was one of theirthings that they wanted to try
and do in the next coming.
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I had months or so, or years orso.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not a fan of that.
I mean, if that's the thingthat puts me off Facebook and
Instagram, then that's what itis.
I don't think that would stillbe a severe reaction to it.
But also I, with the way thatTikTok's pushing products every
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other post, I don't know man,we're all gonna go broke
apparently.
But with that said, no, I thinkyeah, as you guys can probably
tell if you guys have listenedto the show for any length of
time, I'm thrown off by this.
It's very strange, I know.
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I think, yeah, we should take alook at at least one of these.
Denison has pulled up here theyeah, kind of or Kindle Jenner.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Your sis Billy.
Which is which is marketing,and I wanna credit you again for
mentioning how the goal of thisis to sell product right.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, exactly, exactly Like, because it's go
ahead.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Well, I was just gonna say, because your sis,
billy, obviously referencesBilly Eilish and combining Billy
Eilish and the Kindle Jenner, Imean that's an effort to appeal
to a demographic right.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, exactly, exactly, and I think, in truth,
this is.
It's a great.
I think, if this works outreally well for Metta, this is
an amazing pivot for them.
The reason why I say that isbecause Metta got burned pretty
badly with the Metaverse stuff.
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Right, they really tried for itand just didn't work out for
them, sadly.
But if they do this, we alreadyknow that Metta tries to absorb
as much of your data as possible, right, but there's certain
data that they just can't get,or at least they can't legally
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get.
But these AI, as you can seehere, get, message me to get
started, right, All of this isjust like talking to these AI,
and the video that I watched ofthis person interacting with it,
this AI was really trying toget them to consistently
conversate and talk to them.
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Even when they said all right,goodbye, the AI was like come on
, come back, so we can keep ontalking.
This is an amazing way forMetta to get detailed personal
information from these users andbuild whole new profiles that
they could never do before foradvertisers, for their own stuff
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, all sorts of other stufflearning how people take and
stuff like that.
You can get so much moredetailed information than you
could beforehand, and so I thinkthat's one of the biggest
things that this could propelMetta into like stratosphere,
especially when it comes to likemonetization of user-owned
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content right, Content that'scoming from the users, that
they're grabbing from theirinformation and stuff.
But let's jump into this reallyquick little short video.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I want to say, too, that I agree with you
wholeheartedly.
I think it's a greatperspective.
I think it's very dehumanizingand just weird.
But yes, this is an example ofwhat we were talking about.
This is a whole scene ofcookies and candles and rain,
start of fall, calls for bakingand restarting Gilmore Girls dot
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, dot, dot again.
Imagine with AI.
You can see the watermark therein the bottom left.
That's just weird, right?
Yeah, there's the set that wewere referencing earlier PR
girly by day, advice giver bynight.
Top comment says Billie Eilishis going to sue.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yeah, yeah, and so, yeah, it's just kind of
interesting because, yeah,you've got, yeah, you've got
these AI generated photos andstuff like that and it's all
very well curated, it looks real.
So it's really interesting tosee all of this.
But let's jump to that videoreal quick here.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Right, yeah, something, dennis, and I are not
sure if it's AI or not.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah, yeah, which I feel like it isn't because.
Well, I'll just let you guyscheck it out.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I just wanted to do this myself.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I am here to chat whenever you want.
Message me for any advice.
I am ready to talk and I hopeto talk to you soon.
Hey guys, it's Billie.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
So there's some part of that where, like, everything
is so perfect that makes it lookfake, but also that's typically
not the case with AI.
There's usually some obvious,you know issue Like look at her,
look at her neck bone, right.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Thing that I just I feel like that's normal.
You think so?
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Yeah, that's like a normal, like you know, you got
like a vein or whatever, likethat, that you got going or
whatever neck bone whatever.
So I think that's that's that'sreal I mean I don't.
I feel like yeah, I feel likethis is a real photo here.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Well, and that's a good point, no marker.
Yeah, no watermark.
It doesn't have the hashtag init.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Exactly, see.
So I feel like these are, theseare real right Because, yeah,
look at that, imagined with AIon all of them other than this
one, and let me get rid of that.
This one, yep, it tells me thatthis is the actual.
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You know, kindle, jenner orwhatever like that, who did this
?
This is probably part of that.
You know that six hours ofbeing in the studio, yeah, a
type of type of deal here.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Dude, literally one of those comments says that is
the top comment.
It says this is Black Mirrorseason six, episode one.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, exactly, and so , yeah, that was kind of one of
the big things here that I waskind of really interested in.
So, yeah, so, and it'sinteresting because, like I said
, these AI have they've gottheir AI friends here.
(30:55):
Now, of course, that's a realperson there, but all the AI
friends are following each other, which is really interesting.
But, yeah, so you've got thiscook cook with Max.
Right, you've got Max.
You've got Amber here, which isthis is the one that we think
is Paris Hilton.
Yeah, and Amber the detective.
(31:15):
You know, you've got Game Onwith Brew, or Game On Brew.
So this is exactly this is TomBrady right here, essentially
Tom Brady's likeness.
Again this is another one ofthose where I believe it's just
you know, image, image, image.
This is just him, right?
Look at that.
(31:36):
You can see.
It's filmed on the same day.
Same clothes makes sense, right?
Hi, I'm Tom Brady.
Exactly, hi, I'm Tom, I'm doingit.
I'm Brew.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
If you're looking to talk sports, you've come to the
right place.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
See and then I'm sorry, what?
No, it feels very, tom Brady,it really does Exactly, exactly,
so it also looks like he'sreading a teleprompter.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
But yeah, it does.
You can see those comments,though, man.
Most people are freaked out byit, other people are just making
jokes about it.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, no, you're right, you're right.
I mean because it is kind ofcreepy Because, yeah, you've got
these AIs coming in and it doesmake you wonder, like you know
how, like you were talking aboutbefore, like how long is it
before we start having like fullon, like real people or not
(32:39):
real people?
But yeah, we're guess, yeah,real people getting replaced by
AI on social media platforms.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Right?
Well, and this was one of mybig concerns too, is I think
about things like the upcomingelection?
But even take right now right,if we took this technology and
replicated Benjamin Netanyahu?
Right with what's going on inIsrael right now?
(33:07):
Think of the issues you knowand it's not like it's uncommon
for meta to be hacked.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yeah, no, you're right.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
So I don't know.
I think of those broader thingsrather than just what this
means for an account I don'thave to follow.
You know what I'm saying, butit mostly is don't have too many
followers.
That's the interesting thingabout it, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Well, yeah, you know, you're right, the only ones.
So that is interesting thatthis one actually is only isn't
following all of its other AIfriends, but the other ones are.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
The Kindle Jenner.
One has 100,000 followers, butthe rest of them are a lot lower
.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah, no, you're right.
And the Kindle Jenner onethat's their bread and butter,
right, that's going to be theone most likely.
They didn't pay Kindle Jenner$5 million.
They probably paid her quite abit more.
Some of these other people Ican see that for, but Kindle
Jenner is the one that I'mpretty darn sure is going to
(34:27):
bring in most of the people,right?
So this is the, I believe, likethe Charlie D'Amelio one, and
actually this is the reason whyI said we were talking about
this before we got on air, butthat I was saying, yeah, I
believe this is probably an AIimage and not a real person.
(34:50):
Of course, it's got that littletag there, but this was also
what I used to say, like, yeah,these are real people are like
real videos with real people,and these are just like actual
and they're not actuallycreating videos, because one of
the telltale signs I've alwaysfound with AI and AI images is
(35:11):
that they do.
It's everything's just ever soslightly not correct, right.
So at first glance, reallyquickly, this looks fine, but
see, some of the joints get kindof weird if you start to zoom
in and the hands AI don't.
They don't do well with hands.
I mean, we saw this when wewere playing with Dolly Dolly
(35:34):
three last a few episodes back,I believe.
Yeah, it does weird stuff withhands, right, and this is not
bad.
It's not bad at all, right.
So some weirdness with thehands.
Joints are a little weird.
Like, look at this, you've gotyour foot here, but that looks
like your knee.
That's kind of weird, thatdoesn't work.
(35:57):
And then if you go out, zoomout into this one like that's,
that looks a little strange too.
So, so you can tell what is andisn't created by it, but I will
say that most of these areactually pretty good so the
bottom right one, that that reelon the bottom right, this one,
(36:19):
yeah, what's that look like.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Let's see Coco here, and one of the most important
things about being a dancer iskeeping your body healthy, and
the best way to do that.
It does seem like it's her.
You know, this is one of themost fundamental parts of every
dancer's career and a lot of usgo for the mix, so this is
really a stretch yeah.
A stretch with the jump cuts?
(36:42):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
That's not AI.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Yeah, exactly, that's a real person.
And again, you know we can goback to the hands.
You can go back to some of theother stuff.
Usually, if it's a, if it's aAI, right, you're going to see
weird stuff like hands orartifacting in weird places and
stuff like that.
The reflection reflections aswell either.
(37:09):
Yeah, these are for sure.
These are for sure, like actualvideos, that they did.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
But which is also even weirder, because why?
Why are they trying to blur thelines between what's AI and
what's not?
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Because you have to make these, they're trying to
make these AI personas verylifelike, right, as lifelike as
possible, because the thing is,most way, the most of the time
that people are going to beinteracting with these AI is
going to be through their littlechat feature that they have,
because, if I'm not mistaken, Ithink it's follow or oh yeah,
(37:52):
it's something similar to, likeyou can see it on the app.
They don't have it here, butthere's a spot where you can
essentially click on it orwhatever like that, and you can
chat with that one, or you canstart the process of, like you
know, messaging this AI orsomething like that.
I think, since I've alreadyopted in it won't show anymore,
(38:14):
but, yeah, you would do that.
Most people are going tointeract with them by just
chatting with them.
So these posts are veryimportant, right?
And so I'm sure they didmultiple videos with these
celebrities to do differentvideos, multiple different
(38:37):
videos and different avenues,and they're going to slowly
churn them out over the nextyear, two years or whatever like
that, to really keep thoselines blurred and really get
people to really pull in right,because, sure, I think the
initial reaction, just like alot of things, is going to be
discussed in fear.
(38:58):
But as we get deeper down therabbit hole and as it becomes
something more and more like,more and more prevalent, you're
going to start seeing more andmore people interacting with
(39:27):
these AI and actually using them.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
This is the most Snoop Dogg thing I've ever seen
in my life.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Ready to play?
Speaker 1 (39:39):
What the?
Speaker 2 (39:39):
hell yeah.
So it's interesting becauseI've got a ready player one.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
I'm not doing a ready player one with this hot
looking Snoop Dogg.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Yeah, I will say like it's interesting because, yeah,
some of them that I've seen areyou can kind of tell who phoned
it in and who didn't?
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Yeah, he just won that money.
He was like I don't care, he'slike oh, hopefully he's, I'll
take it.
It's fine, hey can you do me afavor real quick, though Of
course Could you hit and stay onthat this one.
Learn more.
No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
I'm sorry, learn more section.
This one.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Yeah, so what you should know.
Ai character profiles aremanaged by Meta.
Content posted may be generatedby both human and AI tools.
So that basically confirms whatwe were talking about.
I thought.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
I saw that.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
So some of its video, or well, the video we've seen,
we feel very confident isactually those people maybe face
manipulated a little bit tolook a little like their AI
counterpart.
But yeah, chat with themdirectly, use Instagram direct,
and then it tells you whatgenerated of AI is.
(40:54):
So okay, yeah.
My next question with this, Imean do you think this works?
You think this lasts?
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Yeah, yeah, I think this works.
I think this works.
Honestly, as much as I wouldlove to say this isn't going to
work, this isn't going to dowell, I have a really, really
(41:27):
hard time believing that it'snot, that it's going to be
really terrible, that it's notgoing to work, it's not going to
do well.
I think these AI, like I said,they're going to be met with
disgust at first and thenthey're going to really jump
(41:56):
into popularity, similar to howchatGbt well, I don't know,
chatgbt was a little bitdifferent, but it didn't have a
face with it but I think this isgoing to be very lucrative for
Meta.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Well, what do you think is the thing about it that
would entice people to interactwith these things?
Speaker 2 (42:16):
It's the personalities, it's the fact
that we can already see it withBilly.
We can already see it withBilly.
We're going to go back to herpage really quickly.
Look, 100,000 followers already.
(42:39):
A lot of people want to speakor not speak, but a lot of
people already have these weirdparasocial relationships with
these stars.
Yeah right.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
And this is the course they're ever going to get
to talking to them.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Correct, and so this is going to amplify it even more
.
Right, bad publicity or not,this is going to be people's way
to interact with and create aneven stronger parasocial
relationship with this person,because most people especially
(43:18):
if we're looking at this profileand how it's set up, most
people are not going to say Iwas talking to Kylie Jenner's,
oh sorry, kendall Jenner's.
My bad, get them all mixed up,but I am not going to.
I'm not speaking to KendallJenner's AI.
(43:41):
I'm speaking to Kendall Jennerright.
Same with Dwayne Wade, same withMr Beast, same with Snoop Dogg,
same with all of these people.
I am now communicating withthis person.
That is a strong feeling and ifthey can nail it down to where
(44:05):
they have these AIs, feel humanenough, which I think anybody
who has really really playedwith chat, gpt and being in some
of these others if you're justdoing like regular conversation
and not actively trying to makethings weird, they do a really
good job of making you feel likethere's another person on the
(44:30):
other end of that For sure, andI think and bear with me, guys,
please don't unfollow I thinkthat's a very American approach.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
I think it's something that would work more
in America than in other places.
But I also think that it wouldbe people like a Kendall Jenner
or which.
Obviously she's not down withit because this would already be
live, but if Taylor Swift haddone this right, oh yeah, that
would.
That would draw attention to it.
(45:06):
I think it's that kind of ademographic as well.
And I completely agree with it.
Yeah, I don't know if you haveanything else you want to touch
on, but I think my concerns I'verelayed multiple times in this.
I don't like the idea.
I think it's very dehumanizing.
I don't understand the appealIf anything is just going to
(45:29):
lead us to more of this type ofworld, where all you have are AI
interactions on behalf ofpeople and then more targeted
advertising than you have everseen in your life.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Yeah, exactly I feel the exact same way.
I feel like this is really justgoing to it's opening up the
floodgates to A type of contentthat we never would have thought
existed beforehand, and I thinkthat is the scary part it's
(46:09):
it's something that it's soaggressive and, at the same time
, so subtle that it can become areally big problem very quickly
, without us even knowing.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
I agree, I agree.
Yeah, I think people know that.
If you've watched this longenough, you know we we always
try to find a positive light.
I can't do that.
I can't do it right now.
I just can't.
I hate everything about this.
I'm going to pretend that wenever talked about it.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
I mean OK, I'll say this to to end it on a positive
note.
I think the good thing aboutthis is that it makes it so.
This is another way to to speedup the AI, to become better,
(47:11):
sure, better, less out of thisstrange uncanny valley thing
that we're seeing now, but to bebetter, assistance, better,
better thing, better help for usfor different tasks.
One of the best things that Ican see that can come out of
(47:34):
this is for people who arefeeling lonely.
But these tools, somethingsimilar to that, are amazing
tools for that.
Right.
Yeah, for people who arestruggling with social anxiety,
struggling with all sorts ofdifferent types of social
(47:54):
disorders or whatever like that,or just aren't able to see
people that much.
Having AI that are good enoughto be able to keep up
conversations and make you feelwanted and make you feel special
, is very important, and I thinkit's something that we all have
or don't understand or don'tthink about.
(48:17):
I think these types of AI aregreat, can be great for those
purposes to keep people out ofthose dark places that they fall
into, especially if you'rethinking about, like some of the
older people I've heard toomany stories of older people who
(48:40):
feel incredibly depressed andfeel left behind and not being
able to see and talk to peopleas much as they would love to.
And they just want to talk tosomebody, right?
And this gives them that outletto be able to say, like cool
(49:01):
here, let's talk about this,let's talk about that, let's
keep this conversation going.
Sure, there is a nefariouspurpose in the background, but
if this is something that helpsthem, keeps them out of that
dark place, I say all power toit.
Speaker 1 (49:20):
I think that's a great perspective and that's a
great way to wrap it up withthat positivity as well.
And while you were saying that,I did notice with this
particular profile the idea islife coaching, but life coaching
through AI.
It's an interesting approach.
I'm a big fan of the idea oflife coaches.
(49:42):
I've never worked with one butI like that idea as a career.
Obviously mixed feelings aboutAI trying to take away from the
people who make that career, butthat would be an approach that
I could see value to.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
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Yeah, of course, of course.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I'll take you on the ride.
So yeah, there was a reportthat came out a day ago or so a
few days ago, I think where itwas talking about Meta in the
process of releasing some AI,some new AI assistance.
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But what their hook is, asopposed to what we've already
gotten from, like Bard and Bingand ChatGBT is that you get to
use these AI assistants asthough you're kind of talking to
their real-life counterparts.
So what Meta did was the reportsays that essentially they
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approached multiple differentfamous creators and offered and
asked if they could use theirlikeness for their AIs for a
certain sum of money.
This report shows that one ofthe creators an unknown one, we
(07:24):
don't know was paid about $5million, but apparently
originally Meta was going tooffer this person $1 million but
essentially went upwards.
So, if we can, so one.
And the report just says therewas a top creator.
We don't know exactly what thatmeans, we don't know who that
could be, but I would imagine ifthis is a creator, so like some
(07:48):
sort of a YouTuber or somethinglike that, because they do have
you know what.
Let me go ahead and just talkabout some of the people that
they rounded up in this AIpursuit.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
You want me to start throwing out some names?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah go ahead, throw them out there, man.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Okay, so again.
First of all, darian, thank youfor the notification.
Gang bro Always appreciate it.
Yeah, so, like we mentioned,dwayne Wade, kendall Jenner, tom
Brady, charlie D'Amelio, mrBeast model, mr Beast Denison
(08:30):
and, I believe, paracilton itwas weird because from the side
it looked like a Megan trainer.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yes, yeah, yeah, so it's a little vague on that one.
That was a little bit harder.
Another face that is on thereand we didn't get the chance to
talk about it was a Snoop Dogg.
Yes, is on there, which isreally interesting, and then a
couple of.
There's an MMA fighter I forgotwhat his name is.
(09:02):
If you remember the show, evenStevens, the dad from Even
Stevens is on there.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
What, yeah, dude, that's such a 90s kid's appeal.
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I know no.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
It's so weird.
So to further explain that too,what Metta has done is they've
reached out to these people andpaid them for their likeness,
just so they can have this AIversion of them.
Now, the name doesn't representthem, but their personality
(09:36):
does not just their looks, andthat's what's weird about the
videos, which I know will showyou some.
But it makes you wonder,because everything that's been
generated by AI on theseprofiles clearly shows it.
It will have a watermark onthere that says so, but the
(09:57):
videos don't, and that's equallyeasy to put on videos, as is
photos.
But when you see like this,probably the most confounding
one to me was Tom Brady.
There was one with CharlieD'Amelio that we watched, where
it showed her getting ready forher day, and the movements were
(10:18):
too fluid to where AI is at thispoint.
Believe it was AI Exactly.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
It weren't weird enough.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yeah, but Tom Brady, it was right in between.
I don't know man.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I.
Still feel like it it was.
It was fake or not fake, but areal video, like with actual
time breaking, and they're justusing his, his profile.
But but yeah, I mean you're,you're right, though, like it's,
it's hard to distinguish likeReal versus fake, so it's really
(10:56):
interesting.
I One thing to note, too, isthat this unknown person right,
who essentially leaked a lot ofthis information, said that it
they were in a studio with Metapeople For like six hours and
they got paid five milliondollars for it right, you know
(11:19):
so it's Kind of interesting,it's kind of crazy, crazy.
Honestly, for me I feel likefive million dollars is a little
too cheap.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Oh, Well, yeah, I Agree.
I think we have to get into whythat is, though, yeah, yeah and
sorry, go ahead.
No, I mean, and we will.
I don't know if we need to doit off the top, but I think you
know just even that.
I know that sounds crazy, right, like all of us would love to
have five million dollars, butNow let's just go ahead and get
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into it, because, well, I wantto know from you people on the
stream right now is you people?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
our viewers.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
I want to know.
I want to know from our viewerswhat they think about this.
Just off the top right, becauseto me, to be scrolling through
Instagram, or Well, I mean,that'd probably be the most
likely situation right now,since this is owned by Meta I'm
scrolling through Instagram anda real pops up of a fake
(12:22):
Character that's supposed to belike a real person.
Why, what value is that?
Adding me, I Mean only peoplethat are really into AI art, an
AI media, which I think is aniche part of the population.
(12:44):
You know, niche in the way ofthey like it.
That much, you know, I think,is weird and uncommon.
I yeah, it's very bizarre to me.
So I'd love to know where ourviewers think about this.
For the five million dollars,the thing about this is this was
(13:08):
, from what I remember yousaying, a two-year contract,
right?
Yeah, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
It's two-year contract to have their likeness.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Right.
So they're gonna use this totrain their AI and eventually
it's gonna be completely gone.
You know these characters willand then they'll just have
original AI Characters that youinteract with on on social media
.
Zari, picking up, you know I'ma huge fan of the show Loki.
(13:37):
It just came back on.
If you're on Instagram rightnow, you could message an AI
chatbot that's acting like missminutes from the show, if any of
you are familiar with that, andthat's more fun.
You know, that's more of anengagement kind of a thing, but
it's also marketing and that wasa part of this at Denison.
(13:59):
Brought up to that, you think.
So play right into the purposeof these right.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, exactly, um, yeah, so I mean One.
I also wanted to give creditwhere credit to do this idea
wasn't wholly me, it was my.
My fiance actually suggestedthat we cover this topic because
, you know, it's it's really in.
It's really interesting,honestly, to think that we're at
(14:32):
this point right because on.
It's funny because earlier thisyear we watched A movie not a
movie, but an episode from blackmirror, the show black mirror,
where they were already talkingabout something like this right,
where it was, yeah, where itwas essentially Netflix right or
a Amalgamation of Netflix rightin the black mirror universe,
(14:58):
was by you Subscribing to thisservice and agreeing to their
you know, privacy policy orwhatever like that.
You, or the terms andconditions, I should really say
you gave away your likeness tothem to create Content and so in
this one to show, essentiallythey were following this one
(15:19):
character and creating contentoff of their life, and it was
really interesting and just kindof went through a whole deal
and like it would rope incelebrities and use, like AI,
created versions of thosecelebrities to to act out Scenes
of this one person's life, andit was all because this one
(15:42):
celebrity said yeah, sure, I'llsign over, right, so that you
can do that, because they paidme, like you know, the hundred
million dollars or somethinglike that, something crazy, but
they had like their like, theirlike, their like, their like,
their like, their like, theirlike, their like Something crazy
, but they had, like theirlikeness forever that they could
use however they want, and soit's really interesting to see
(16:04):
this kind of coming true.
Only, really, in truth, like afew months later, after that
episode came out, um, that thatmeta is doing something similar
to it.
You know, of course, it's alittle bit different, but it's
in the same vein and Uh, thereason why I said earlier that I
(16:28):
think five million dollars istoo cheap, um, for two years, is
is that and I'm sure there'sother creators that they, or
other celebrities Creators thatthey paid more than this one
person, right, so we're just, weonly have this as a as a
benchmark for our Understandingexactly where they might fall,
(16:53):
be at least on the base levelwas one million dollars, so you
know, we can extrapolate fromthere.
But, um, I think the biggestthing about it is that you now
allow Meta to one use your aiassistant to talk to millions
(17:17):
and millions of people, um, and,in some ways, sure, a lot of
these ai's and, um, I'm gonnapull these up in just a moment
but a lot of these ai's Won't ordon't have the same names as
the people that they're modeledoff of, right, um, but they do
(17:38):
have they're.
They're essentially acting likethis person, right?
I saw a, a video of Someone whois in the early access program.
Because all of this is Earlyaccess, right, it's not
something that we have actuallyaccess to right now.
It's something that they'regoing to release later on this
year, I think early next year.
(17:59):
But, um, but even like, whenyou're chatting in that video,
when they were chatting withthis person, with this ai, right
, it was showing like a littlepicture of that person While
they were chatting with them andthey were making faces and,
like you know, kind of bobbingaround and stuff, and so it's.
(18:22):
You know, you have these deeper.
You have these people who maycreate these deep bonds,
parasocial relationships withthese ai's and in some ways,
they're really In some wayscreating these parasocial
relationships which we alreadyhave an issue with general, with
these actual celebrities.
Uh, that I feel like the lines,the lines start getting blurry,
(18:46):
and so five million dollars isway too cheap for the amount of
money that Basebook in generalis going to gain just from users
using these applications, noteven getting outside of the
realm of like users.
Um, I think it's gonna be likemaybe backlash or screenshotting
(19:10):
, saying like look what thisperson said to me, or look, look
, look what kindle Jenner justtold me when it's you know, the
ai assistant and whatever likethat.
But they're gonna be like, well, look what this person did, or
whatever like that and thebacklash that they're going to
have to deal with.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
You know, it's just one of those things where it's
like I, I just feel like fivemillion dollars is too cheap,
honestly honestly, you know, Ihave to say, in the way of a
couple of these people thatsigned up for this, I'm kind of
disappointed with them, you know, because there's such a
slippery slope and all they'reseeing is the bottom line.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
you know, instant cash.
Yeah, six hours worth of work,at least from what I can tell,
right.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Yeah, well, and the argument denison made too is
that, you know, by interactingwith these people or these ai,
um, it's only going to increasethe Efficiency of meta's ai and
then could even lead to a worldwhere, um, we don't even have,
we're not even on social media.
(20:18):
You know, it's our AI doing ourbranding for us.
Yeah, I mean that, I don't know, man, I don't want to sound
like you know I'm outside of thelines or you know I'm not for
this kind of crap.
Whatever, I'm not, but it justmakes me wonder if that is the
(20:41):
thing.
That's the death of socialmedia.
You know what I'm saying?
I can see that.
I can see that, yeah, becausesocial media is literally man, I
don't know.
This is just such a bizarrestory.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, no, it is.
It's kind of like a BlackMirror episode.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
It really is, because social media is meant for
people to connect.
That's why it's social media.
You know what I mean.
If you're going on there andjust ingesting content from
artificial intelligence, it's sostrange.
It makes me wonder how longthis will last.
But I will say too.
Speaking of Black Mirrorepisodes, I haven't watched that
(21:21):
show for a few years, but one Iremember very well is there was
an entire dating meetup, right,oh yeah, and it was like based
on online dating and all thiskind of stuff, but what you
found out was the whole thingthat you just watched was
actually just two AI acting outwhat it would be like if those
(21:44):
two people dated, because theypaid for that on their dating
app, which is crazy, right, butit doesn't seem far fetched with
the duration if this were totake off, right.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, I mean, you're not wrong, you're not wrong at
all.
Like, yeah, it's perfectly easyto tell that that could be
something that could happen.
I mean, we've already in someways, with some of these
assistants that we're alreadyseeing right now, there's a kind
of doomsday scenario where ourworld could become a point to
(22:17):
where, like, think about itright now, right, we already
have an AI that can essentiallysummarize what is in an email.
Right, give me the bulletpoints of that email, right, and
then you also could use thatsame AI to okay, cool, based on
this, this is how I wouldrespond, write me a response.
(22:38):
So now it's gonna write you anice professional response.
And so we could have a point towhere, essentially, people are
interacting with AI.
Like there's just an exchangeof emails and flowing of
information, and all it's doingis an AI talking to another AI,
extrapolating that out so thatway people can look at it, and
(23:01):
then text, essentially puttingit all back together and
shipping it back off to anotherAI to do the exact same thing,
and so it's like decoupling thathuman interaction.
And so I can easily seesomething similar to that,
especially since there was an.
A meta has already kind oftalked about plans of being able
(23:26):
to do something similar to thisfor their own user base giving
people access to do somethingsimilar to this, to create a
avatar of sorts of yourself forpeople to interact with.
I think that was one of theirthings that they wanted to try
and do in the next coming.
(23:47):
I had months or so, or years orso.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not a fan of that.
I mean, if that's the thingthat puts me off Facebook and
Instagram, then that's what itis.
I don't think that would stillbe a severe reaction to it.
But also I, with the way thatTikTok's pushing products every
(24:13):
other post, I don't know man,we're all gonna go broke
apparently.
But with that said, no, I thinkyeah, as you guys can probably
tell if you guys have listenedto the show for any length of
time, I'm thrown off by this.
It's very strange, I know.
(24:35):
I think, yeah, we should take alook at at least one of these.
Denison has pulled up here theyeah, kind of or Kindle Jenner.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Your sis Billy.
Which is which is marketing,and I wanna credit you again for
mentioning how the goal of thisis to sell product right.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, exactly, exactly Like, because it's go
ahead.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Well, I was just gonna say, because your sis,
billy, obviously referencesBilly Eilish and combining Billy
Eilish and the Kindle Jenner, Imean that's an effort to appeal
to a demographic right.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, exactly, exactly, and I think, in truth,
this is.
It's a great.
I think, if this works outreally well for Metta, this is
an amazing pivot for them.
The reason why I say that isbecause Metta got burned pretty
badly with the Metaverse stuff.
(25:48):
Right, they really tried for itand just didn't work out for
them, sadly.
But if they do this, we alreadyknow that Metta tries to absorb
as much of your data as possible, right, but there's certain
data that they just can't get,or at least they can't legally
(26:09):
get.
But these AI, as you can seehere, get, message me to get
started, right, All of this isjust like talking to these AI,
and the video that I watched ofthis person interacting with it,
this AI was really trying toget them to consistently
conversate and talk to them.
(26:31):
Even when they said all right,goodbye, the AI was like come on
, come back, so we can keep ontalking.
This is an amazing way forMetta to get detailed personal
information from these users andbuild whole new profiles that
they could never do before foradvertisers, for their own stuff
(26:56):
, all sorts of other stufflearning how people take and
stuff like that.
You can get so much moredetailed information than you
could beforehand, and so I thinkthat's one of the biggest
things that this could propelMetta into like stratosphere,
especially when it comes to likemonetization of user-owned
(27:17):
content right, Content that'scoming from the users, that
they're grabbing from theirinformation and stuff.
But let's jump into this reallyquick little short video.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I want to say, too, that I agree with you
wholeheartedly.
I think it's a greatperspective.
I think it's very dehumanizingand just weird.
But yes, this is an example ofwhat we were talking about.
This is a whole scene ofcookies and candles and rain,
start of fall, calls for bakingand restarting Gilmore Girls dot
(27:52):
, dot, dot again.
Imagine with AI.
You can see the watermark therein the bottom left.
That's just weird, right?
Yeah, there's the set that wewere referencing earlier PR
girly by day, advice giver bynight.
Top comment says Billie Eilishis going to sue.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yeah, yeah, and so, yeah, it's just kind of
interesting because, yeah,you've got, yeah, you've got
these AI generated photos andstuff like that and it's all
very well curated, it looks real.
So it's really interesting tosee all of this.
But let's jump to that videoreal quick here.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Right, yeah, something, dennis, and I are not
sure if it's AI or not.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah, yeah, which I feel like it isn't because.
Well, I'll just let you guyscheck it out.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I just wanted to do this myself.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I am here to chat whenever you want.
Message me for any advice.
I am ready to talk and I hopeto talk to you soon.
Hey guys, it's Billie.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
So there's some part of that where, like, everything
is so perfect that makes it lookfake, but also that's typically
not the case with AI.
There's usually some obvious,you know issue Like look at her,
look at her neck bone, right.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Thing that I just I feel like that's normal.
You think so?
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Yeah, that's like a normal, like you know, you got
like a vein or whatever, likethat, that you got going or
whatever neck bone whatever.
So I think that's that's that'sreal I mean I don't.
I feel like yeah, I feel likethis is a real photo here.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Well, and that's a good point, no marker.
Yeah, no watermark.
It doesn't have the hashtag init.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Exactly, see.
So I feel like these are, theseare real right Because, yeah,
look at that, imagined with AIon all of them other than this
one, and let me get rid of that.
This one, yep, it tells me thatthis is the actual.
(30:16):
You know, kindle, jenner orwhatever like that, who did this
?
This is probably part of that.
You know that six hours ofbeing in the studio, yeah, a
type of type of deal here.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Dude, literally one of those comments says that is
the top comment.
It says this is Black Mirrorseason six, episode one.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, exactly, and so , yeah, that was kind of one of
the big things here that I waskind of really interested in.
So, yeah, so, and it'sinteresting because, like I said
, these AI have they've gottheir AI friends here.
(30:55):
Now, of course, that's a realperson there, but all the AI
friends are following each other, which is really interesting.
But, yeah, so you've got thiscook cook with Max.
Right, you've got Max.
You've got Amber here, which isthis is the one that we think
is Paris Hilton.
Yeah, and Amber the detective.
(31:15):
You know, you've got Game Onwith Brew, or Game On Brew.
So this is exactly this is TomBrady right here, essentially
Tom Brady's likeness.
Again this is another one ofthose where I believe it's just
you know, image, image, image.
This is just him, right?
Look at that.
(31:36):
You can see.
It's filmed on the same day.
Same clothes makes sense, right?
Hi, I'm Tom Brady.
Exactly, hi, I'm Tom, I'm doingit.
I'm Brew.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
If you're looking to talk sports, you've come to the
right place.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
See and then I'm sorry, what?
No, it feels very, tom Brady,it really does Exactly, exactly,
so it also looks like he'sreading a teleprompter.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
But yeah, it does.
You can see those comments,though, man.
Most people are freaked out byit, other people are just making
jokes about it.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, no, you're right, you're right.
I mean because it is kind ofcreepy Because, yeah, you've got
these AIs coming in and it doesmake you wonder, like you know
how, like you were talking aboutbefore, like how long is it
before we start having like fullon, like real people or not
(32:39):
real people?
But yeah, we're guess, yeah,real people getting replaced by
AI on social media platforms.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Right?
Well, and this was one of mybig concerns too, is I think
about things like the upcomingelection?
But even take right now right,if we took this technology and
replicated Benjamin Netanyahu?
Right with what's going on inIsrael right now?
(33:07):
Think of the issues you knowand it's not like it's uncommon
for meta to be hacked.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yeah, no, you're right.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
So I don't know.
I think of those broader thingsrather than just what this
means for an account I don'thave to follow.
You know what I'm saying, butit mostly is don't have too many
followers.
That's the interesting thingabout it, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Well, yeah, you know, you're right, the only ones.
So that is interesting thatthis one actually is only isn't
following all of its other AIfriends, but the other ones are.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
The Kindle Jenner.
One has 100,000 followers, butthe rest of them are a lot lower
.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah, no, you're right.
And the Kindle Jenner onethat's their bread and butter,
right, that's going to be theone most likely.
They didn't pay Kindle Jenner$5 million.
They probably paid her quite abit more.
Some of these other people Ican see that for, but Kindle
Jenner is the one that I'mpretty darn sure is going to
(34:27):
bring in most of the people,right?
So this is the, I believe, likethe Charlie D'Amelio one, and
actually this is the reason whyI said we were talking about
this before we got on air, butthat I was saying, yeah, I
believe this is probably an AIimage and not a real person.
(34:50):
Of course, it's got that littletag there, but this was also
what I used to say, like, yeah,these are real people are like
real videos with real people,and these are just like actual
and they're not actuallycreating videos, because one of
the telltale signs I've alwaysfound with AI and AI images is
(35:11):
that they do.
It's everything's just ever soslightly not correct, right.
So at first glance, reallyquickly, this looks fine, but
see, some of the joints get kindof weird if you start to zoom
in and the hands AI don't.
They don't do well with hands.
I mean, we saw this when wewere playing with Dolly Dolly
(35:34):
three last a few episodes back,I believe.
Yeah, it does weird stuff withhands, right, and this is not
bad.
It's not bad at all, right.
So some weirdness with thehands.
Joints are a little weird.
Like, look at this, you've gotyour foot here, but that looks
like your knee.
That's kind of weird, thatdoesn't work.
(35:57):
And then if you go out, zoomout into this one like that's,
that looks a little strange too.
So, so you can tell what is andisn't created by it, but I will
say that most of these areactually pretty good so the
bottom right one, that that reelon the bottom right, this one,
(36:19):
yeah, what's that look like.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Let's see Coco here, and one of the most important
things about being a dancer iskeeping your body healthy, and
the best way to do that.
It does seem like it's her.
You know, this is one of themost fundamental parts of every
dancer's career and a lot of usgo for the mix, so this is
really a stretch yeah.
A stretch with the jump cuts?
(36:42):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
That's not AI.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Yeah, exactly, that's a real person.
And again, you know we can goback to the hands.
You can go back to some of theother stuff.
Usually, if it's a, if it's aAI, right, you're going to see
weird stuff like hands orartifacting in weird places and
stuff like that.
The reflection reflections aswell either.
(37:09):
Yeah, these are for sure.
These are for sure, like actualvideos, that they did.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
But which is also even weirder, because why?
Why are they trying to blur thelines between what's AI and
what's not?
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Because you have to make these, they're trying to
make these AI personas verylifelike, right, as lifelike as
possible, because the thing is,most way, the most of the time
that people are going to beinteracting with these AI is
going to be through their littlechat feature that they have,
because, if I'm not mistaken, Ithink it's follow or oh yeah,
(37:52):
it's something similar to, likeyou can see it on the app.
They don't have it here, butthere's a spot where you can
essentially click on it orwhatever like that, and you can
chat with that one, or you canstart the process of, like you
know, messaging this AI orsomething like that.
I think, since I've alreadyopted in it won't show anymore,
(38:14):
but, yeah, you would do that.
Most people are going tointeract with them by just
chatting with them.
So these posts are veryimportant, right?
And so I'm sure they didmultiple videos with these
celebrities to do differentvideos, multiple different
(38:37):
videos and different avenues,and they're going to slowly
churn them out over the nextyear, two years or whatever like
that, to really keep thoselines blurred and really get
people to really pull in right,because, sure, I think the
initial reaction, just like alot of things, is going to be
discussed in fear.
(38:58):
But as we get deeper down therabbit hole and as it becomes
something more and more like,more and more prevalent, you're
going to start seeing more andmore people interacting with
(39:27):
these AI and actually using them.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
This is the most Snoop Dogg thing I've ever seen
in my life.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Ready to play?
Speaker 1 (39:39):
What the?
Speaker 2 (39:39):
hell yeah.
So it's interesting becauseI've got a ready player one.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
I'm not doing a ready player one with this hot
looking Snoop Dogg.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Yeah, I will say like it's interesting because, yeah,
some of them that I've seen areyou can kind of tell who phoned
it in and who didn't?
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Yeah, he just won that money.
He was like I don't care, he'slike oh, hopefully he's, I'll
take it.
It's fine, hey can you do me afavor real quick, though Of
course Could you hit and stay onthat this one.
Learn more.
No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
I'm sorry, learn more section.
This one.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Yeah, so what you should know.
Ai character profiles aremanaged by Meta.
Content posted may be generatedby both human and AI tools.
So that basically confirms whatwe were talking about.
I thought.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
I saw that.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
So some of its video, or well, the video we've seen,
we feel very confident isactually those people maybe face
manipulated a little bit tolook a little like their AI
counterpart.
But yeah, chat with themdirectly, use Instagram direct,
and then it tells you whatgenerated of AI is.
(40:54):
So okay, yeah.
My next question with this, Imean do you think this works?
You think this lasts?
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Yeah, yeah, I think this works.
I think this works.
Honestly, as much as I wouldlove to say this isn't going to
work, this isn't going to dowell, I have a really, really
(41:27):
hard time believing that it'snot, that it's going to be
really terrible, that it's notgoing to work, it's not going to
do well.
I think these AI, like I said,they're going to be met with
disgust at first and thenthey're going to really jump
(41:56):
into popularity, similar to howchatGbt well, I don't know,
chatgbt was a little bitdifferent, but it didn't have a
face with it but I think this isgoing to be very lucrative for
Meta.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Well, what do you think is the thing about it that
would entice people to interactwith these things?
Speaker 2 (42:16):
It's the personalities, it's the fact
that we can already see it withBilly.
We can already see it withBilly.
We're going to go back to herpage really quickly.
Look, 100,000 followers already.
(42:39):
A lot of people want to speakor not speak, but a lot of
people already have these weirdparasocial relationships with
these stars.
Yeah right.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
And this is the course they're ever going to get
to talking to them.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Correct, and so this is going to amplify it even more
.
Right, bad publicity or not,this is going to be people's way
to interact with and create aneven stronger parasocial
relationship with this person,because most people especially
(43:18):
if we're looking at this profileand how it's set up, most
people are not going to say Iwas talking to Kylie Jenner's,
oh sorry, kendall Jenner's.
My bad, get them all mixed up,but I am not going to.
I'm not speaking to KendallJenner's AI.
(43:41):
I'm speaking to Kendall Jennerright.
Same with Dwayne Wade, same withMr Beast, same with Snoop Dogg,
same with all of these people.
I am now communicating withthis person.
That is a strong feeling and ifthey can nail it down to where
(44:05):
they have these AIs, feel humanenough, which I think anybody
who has really really playedwith chat, gpt and being in some
of these others if you're justdoing like regular conversation
and not actively trying to makethings weird, they do a really
good job of making you feel likethere's another person on the
(44:30):
other end of that For sure, andI think and bear with me, guys,
please don't unfollow I thinkthat's a very American approach.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
I think it's something that would work more
in America than in other places.
But I also think that it wouldbe people like a Kendall Jenner
or which.
Obviously she's not down withit because this would already be
live, but if Taylor Swift haddone this right, oh yeah, that
would.
That would draw attention to it.
(45:06):
I think it's that kind of ademographic as well.
And I completely agree with it.
Yeah, I don't know if you haveanything else you want to touch
on, but I think my concerns I'verelayed multiple times in this.
I don't like the idea.
I think it's very dehumanizing.
I don't understand the appealIf anything is just going to
(45:29):
lead us to more of this type ofworld, where all you have are AI
interactions on behalf ofpeople and then more targeted
advertising than you have everseen in your life.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Yeah, exactly I feel the exact same way.
I feel like this is really justgoing to it's opening up the
floodgates to A type of contentthat we never would have thought
existed beforehand, and I thinkthat is the scary part it's
(46:09):
it's something that it's soaggressive and, at the same time
, so subtle that it can become areally big problem very quickly
, without us even knowing.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
I agree, I agree.
Yeah, I think people know that.
If you've watched this longenough, you know we we always
try to find a positive light.
I can't do that.
I can't do it right now.
I just can't.
I hate everything about this.
I'm going to pretend that wenever talked about it.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
I mean OK, I'll say this to to end it on a positive
note.
I think the good thing aboutthis is that it makes it so.
This is another way to to speedup the AI, to become better,
(47:11):
sure, better, less out of thisstrange uncanny valley thing
that we're seeing now, but to bebetter, assistance, better,
better thing, better help for usfor different tasks.
One of the best things that Ican see that can come out of
(47:34):
this is for people who arefeeling lonely.
But these tools, somethingsimilar to that, are amazing
tools for that.
Right.
Yeah, for people who arestruggling with social anxiety,
struggling with all sorts ofdifferent types of social
(47:54):
disorders or whatever like that,or just aren't able to see
people that much.
Having AI that are good enoughto be able to keep up
conversations and make you feelwanted and make you feel special
, is very important, and I thinkit's something that we all have
or don't understand or don'tthink about.
(48:17):
I think these types of AI aregreat, can be great for those
purposes to keep people out ofthose dark places that they fall
into, especially if you'rethinking about, like some of the
older people I've heard toomany stories of older people who
(48:40):
feel incredibly depressed andfeel left behind and not being
able to see and talk to peopleas much as they would love to.
And they just want to talk tosomebody, right?
And this gives them that outletto be able to say, like cool
(49:01):
here, let's talk about this,let's talk about that, let's
keep this conversation going.
Sure, there is a nefariouspurpose in the background, but
if this is something that helpsthem, keeps them out of that
dark place, I say all power toit.
Speaker 1 (49:20):
I think that's a great perspective and that's a
great way to wrap it up withthat positivity as well.
And while you were saying that,I did notice with this
particular profile the idea islife coaching, but life coaching
through AI.
It's an interesting approach.
I'm a big fan of the idea oflife coaches.
(49:42):
I've never worked with one butI like that idea as a career.
Obviously mixed feelings aboutAI trying to take away from the
people who make that career, butthat would be an approach that
I could see value to.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
Right, yeah, it's interesting, okay.
Well, I think we had a gooddiscussion on this and thank you
guys for jumping on the livestream with us.
It's always a good time and wealways appreciate it.
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good night.
That's exactly what's about tohappen, man.
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