October 23, 2023 β’ 14 mins
Ever wondered why the Transfiguration filled disciples with holy terror? Or, pondered upon the symbolic representation of Jesus appearing with Moses and Elijah? We, your hosts Jordan Waiko, Father Andrew Hamilton, and Father Christopher Pujol, delve into these complex questions in our latest podcast episode. Through a close examination of the biblical event from Mount Tabor to the Old Testament, we unveil the profound theological connection between the Transfiguration, the completion of the old covenant, and the inception of the new.
In a fascinating twist, we also reflect on why Jesus wanted to maintain secrecy around the Transfiguration. Is it important to start with the basics when it comes to spreading faith? To answer this, we discuss the fundamental concept of why we are made for love. This understanding opens up a whole new perspective on the mystery of the trinity and the indwelling of the spirit within us. With references straight from the scriptures and comprehensive theological insights, this episode will enrich your understanding of faith in an extraordinary way. So, prepare for a spiritual sojourn like no other, as we unravel these mysteries together.
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Jordan (00:00):
You're listening to the Catholic Accent Podcast.
In this podcast, we discuss theacts and miracles that Jesus
performed that stunned hisdisciples.
I'm Jordan Waiko, along withFather Andrew Hamilton and
Father Christopher Pujol.
Fr. Chris (00:13):
It seems like these weeks come around faster and
faster.
Jordan (00:15):
Jordan.
Where's same shirt?
All the time I wear the sameshirt.
Ha ha ha.
Today's topic istransfiguration.
Why don't you set the stage forus, father?
You said that every episode.
Fr. Andrew (00:25):
I actually think I'm going to pass it over to Father
Chris Pujol.
Jordan (00:28):
I'll just say okay.
The account of transfigurationis one of those miracles in the
gospel that terrifies thedisciples who see it.
Why do you think they'reterrified?
Fr. Chris (00:38):
Well, I think the transfiguration isn't
necessarily the type ofterrifying that you would get
from watching a horror movie,but rather it's like that fear
of God, that holy terror,because they're seeing all of
their beliefs come to fruition.
So you have the disciples up onMount Tabern, and it's
(00:58):
important to stop there and saythat in the Old Testament, any
time that a person was going toencounter God, he would be on a
mountaintop.
So we see Moses on top of MountSinai where he receives the Ten
Commandments.
Now we see here Jesus going upto Mount Tabern and there he's
transfigured with Moses andElijah, moses being the great
(01:22):
law giver so that's the law andElijah, the prophet so
encompassing all of the OldTestament is now surrounding
Jesus and they're seeing thishappen.
So what they're seeing issomething that Moses himself
didn't even experience.
Fr. Andrew (01:40):
On the Sinai Right.
It's like awesome in the senseof not just like a banal word,
awesome that we say aftersomething, but it's like it's
not.
Yeah, and even if you wouldlook out throughout scripture,
there's always an implied fearwhenever there's what's called a
theophany, or whenever God,theo God, shows himself to his
disciples, or two people.
(02:01):
But, there's always this likeimplied fear.
Think about the angel Gabriel,a messenger of the Lord, coming
to the Blessed Virgin Mary.
Be not afraid.
Fr. Chris (02:09):
Jesus is shepherds in Bethlehem.
They were afraid, they werefilled with fear constantly that
that seems to come back up.
Fr. Andrew (02:15):
And even Jesus, whenever we talked about in one
of our previous podcasts, aboutthe walking on the water, he
says take courage.
It is I, be not afraid, andeven it is I, as a sign of his
divinity.
When you look back into the Iknow it's a different language
with Greek ego, a me meaning Iam right.
Whenever God shows himself,y'all way to Moses, he says.
Fr. Chris (02:40):
I am.
Fr. Andrew (02:40):
I am sent you.
Fr. Chris (02:43):
And so God is the great.
Jordan (02:44):
I Well.
Why does he appear with Mosesand Elijah?
Why not Abraham and Isaiah oranother prophet?
Fr. Andrew (02:50):
This is a good question.
Yeah, so Moses and Elijah, asFather Chris Pujol laid out that
they were insinuating the law,and then the greatest of the
prophets.
So Abraham is a patriarch, afather in the faith, but people
would follow the law of Moses.
Even the first books of the OldTestament were called the books
(03:11):
of Moses the Pentateuch, thecollection of the law Right.
And then the role of theprophets was always to call
Israel, the people, back fromstraying away from God, back to
God himself.
Now, Elijah in the OldTestament was assumed into
heaven right on a chariot offire.
And we're told that Moses nobodyactually knows where he's
(03:33):
buried, which is interesting,and it was implied through some
of the tradition of the churchthat maybe Moses himself,
through looking at thetransfiguration, was actually
assumed as well to heaven.
So they're already thereglorying in God, but now they're
giving assent to Jesus Christ,who is the Son of God, showing
forth his divinity in thetransfiguration.
Fr. Chris (03:54):
It's also important to remember at the beginning of
this passage it says after sixdays, and Jesus didn't take up
everybody.
So what happens?
On the seventh day of creation,God rested, and now Jesus, who
is the great creator, is takinga very selective group of
apostles up the mountain Peter,James and John and by their
(04:18):
witness they're now seeing God'srevelation come to fruition.
And so what's important is thatin Christ's transfiguration, in
his death, in his resurrection,in the whole Paschal mystery,
in the sending of the HolySpirit on this seventh day, God
(04:39):
is both resting and saying thathe has recreated.
So it's like oftentimes intheology they call it the
substitution theory that the oldcovenant has been substituted
for the new covenant, but Ithink it's better to look at it
as the completion.
Yeah, they're the same reality,but now everything that the old
(05:01):
was waiting for has come tofruition, and now even those men
and women can see God,something that was never
possible.
Fr. Andrew (05:13):
In thinking through the mind of Peter, james and
John, who are on top of MountTabor with Jesus.
Who would have, they like, hadwanted to see right at this
Mount Rushmore experience, likewho are the great spiritual
heroes of your past that youwould like, think would be
around the throne of God?
Well for them.
They would expect to see Mosesand Elijah, certainly the ones
(05:36):
that led the Israelites to thePromised Land before they called
the people back to the lawcalled repentance, and so they
would expect to see them there,not carved into a rock face, but
in this form.
Jordan (05:49):
Right like Mount Rushmore literally.
Fr. Andrew (05:50):
Yeah, right, you got it.
Jordan (05:53):
They were actual figures .
Oh, absolutely yeah, they werethere.
Fr. Chris (05:56):
And they loved it so much that they said isn't it
great that we're here?
We're gonna build tents foreveryone.
We're gonna stay and we don'twant to leave this experience.
And they fell prostrate on theground and worshiped and Jesus
touched them and said Rise up,but we can't stay here.
The experience is to push usfor the journey, because this
(06:18):
isn't the end.
Fr. Andrew (06:20):
About being terrified as well that we had
touched on before.
They were terrified becauseit's been said throughout
scripture that you cannot seethe face of God and live.
Even Moses himself only seesthe backside of God at the
burning mountain.
He goes past him and just seesthe backside of him.
If you think to Elijah's ownstory, whenever he's in the cave
(06:40):
and he hears finally, after allthe consternation and rustling
and noise, and he hears thequiet whisper, what does he do?
Put his face to the groundreally quick.
Because they're terrified thatif you see God, it's death Right
, and that's what happens injust popular culture for people
to understand.
Jordan (06:57):
In Indiana Jones the original the.
Ark of the Covenant they open,that he tells Maryam to shut her
eyes turn away, don't look,whereas all the others they look
at it.
Fr. Andrew (07:07):
That's directly from scripture.
But this is the beauty of Godright, which is that looking
upon God does not cause death,but repentance and turning back
towards God actually gives lifeand we see glory in what we're
actually made for.
And so there's not this senseof being fearful of God.
Rather, god comes to literallybe our friend in Christ, to
(07:29):
bring us back to rightrelationship and friendship with
God.
Fr. Chris (07:33):
But that also demands of us that we have to be duly
prepared to not only receive himbut to be in contact with him.
Right, because nothing.
We see all this.
We've been talking in the lastfew episodes about the laws of
being clean.
Right, and they're there for areason because Jesus says
(07:53):
blessed are the pure of heart.
And so to be part of God andlook upon him, we have to be
clean, and that's why it's socritical that in our practice of
the faith, that when we receivecommunion, we should be free
from grave sin, because whathappens, it's almost a greater
(08:17):
sin that we would try to contactGod.
Going back to your image fromIndiana Jones, those who are not
prepared to receive die, andeven in the Old Testament we see
the priests if they're not dulyprepared to enter the temple,
they will die.
And so it's that great mercyseat of God that we have to call
upon and prepare to view Him.
Fr. Andrew (08:38):
We would always joke in seminary.
It says in the Levitical Lawthat you have to wear specific
things.
And if you went into the Holyof Holies, one of the things
that they would do for the HighPriest is they couldn't go into
the Holy of Holies themselves ifthe High Priest died because he
did something wrong and theywould try to do some kind of a
military-muliturgical action.
So they would tie bells on himas well as a rope around his leg
and he'd go in and if theyheard the bells stop, that meant
(08:58):
hey, did something wrong, theguy's dead.
And then they would drag himback out because they weren't
allowed to go into there.
But one thing that we see in theTransfiguration as well is an
indwelling of God with Hispeople.
So the Holy Spirit, as imagedby of course this is my son, in
whom I am well pleased.
Listen to him that's God, theFather, speaking.
(09:20):
Of course Christ is there inHis Transfigured form.
And then what else is there?
A cloud, we're told, which isalways an image of the Holy
Spirit Think about that leadingthe Israelites through the
desert towards the Promised Land.
The cloud that dwells in thetemple.
And so we have all of the threepersons of the Trinity here
present, but indwelling with usthrough a great gift of a
(09:43):
tavernacle, in a way, like usbecoming a tavernacle of God
dwelling within us and with us,which is what we do whenever we
receive Holy Communion in theEucharist that we become a
living tavernacle of the livingGod, who then goes with us into
the world to sustain us on ourjourney, and I love that.
Fr. Chris (10:00):
Father touched on that image of bells because, as
the priests of old were thebells on their vestments, today
in the Eastern Catholic churchesand in the Orthodox churches,
all of their bishops have bellson their vestments.
Because each time we enter intothe sanctuary to offer the
sacrifice of the Mass, we'reback in that temple, in the Holy
of Holies and even in our ownRoman Latin tradition.
(10:24):
When do we hear the bells?
At the moment of consecration,at the moment of the elevations
and at the consumption of thesacrifice, when the priest
consumes the precious body anddrinks from the chalice, the
bell's ring to signify thisgreat life of God that is with
us.
And really, every time wegather to offer Mass.
(10:44):
It's a transfiguration for us,because we're gazing upon not
only Jesus Christ himself in theEucharist, but all of heaven,
where we believe that theCommunion of Saints is present.
And what do we do?
We fall to our knees and weworship, just like Peter, james
and John did at Mount Tabor.
Fr. Andrew (11:05):
Where does Peter Jordan make himself out to be,
like, you know, foot in themouth again in this story?
You remember, like whenever hesays basically like hey, let's
build some tents.
Do you know why he does that?
So it comes back to that senseof the Feast of Tabernacles or
of Boos, that there was thisidea that all of the Jewish
people would come around thetemple, the indwelling presence
of God there in Jerusalem, andthey'd build these little tents
(11:28):
and they would dwell there for aweek or a little bit longer and
so with God, and it was thisgreat feast.
So it was Peter wanting to staythere longer, to be caught up
in the moment.
Fr. Chris (11:39):
If you go to New York during this feast, when the
Hasidic Jews are celebrating onall their balconies and fire
escapes in the city, you'll seelittle tents set up because,
they'll still follow that.
But what's so important, whereJesus transforms that Feast of
Booths is when he says that hehad.
St John tells us he came andpitched his tent among us.
(12:00):
Because Jesus is the trueTabernacle, the true presence of
God in the world, because he isGod.
Fr. Andrew (12:07):
I love Peter though, because he's kind of like a
little kid, who's like onvacation, who's like can't we
just stay a little bit longerdown?
Fr. Chris (12:13):
Oh, that's the worst feeling when you get home.
Fr. Andrew (12:15):
You're like, whenever you get settled in, you
just want to stay there.
This is paradise.
It's great and but it's likewhat does Jesus say get up or
going?
Fr. Chris (12:23):
down time to go.
We never stay in the churchright.
The doors open back up afterthe bell rings and we go forth.
Jordan (12:28):
It's a good point if you could have a mount rush more of
religious figures.
Fr. Andrew (12:33):
Who would you?
Jordan (12:34):
want to be there.
Fr. Andrew (12:36):
I have obscure saints that have things to do
with my life, but most peoplewould have no idea who they are.
Jordan (12:41):
They can look them up later the Blessed Virgin Mary.
Fr. Andrew (12:44):
I would definitely one there's just to talk to her
and hear of all those thingsthat she pondered and kept in
her heart.
I think that'd be veryinteresting.
She's a lot to tell us still.
Fr. Chris (12:52):
Yeah, I'd say Saint Max meal and Colby for sure.
Jordan (12:55):
Can you give me a five-second log line of who that
is a?
Fr. Chris (13:00):
priest arrested by the Nazis, put in Dosh witz,
gave his life for the salvationof others.
Jordan (13:08):
Okay.
Fr. Chris (13:11):
That's the cliff notes version.
Talk to.
Fr. Andrew (13:14):
Lazarus.
Oh, he'd be great because he'san interesting character to
write here.
He died and then gotresurrected.
He might be a topic of.
Jordan (13:22):
One of our future episodes we might talk about to
meet them yeah so in the gospel,jesus tells disciples not to
share this story until after theresurrection.
And we know they did because itis included in the gospels.
So how do we share thatencounter?
Fr. Chris (13:36):
It's important to note, like that whole idea of
the messianic secret Is that noteveryone is always prepared in
the same way to receive themessage of the messiah or
salvation.
So at this point Jesusrecognizes that Peter, james and
John are ready to see it and toTo comprehend.
He's hoping, which we see, thatthey imperfectly understand it.
(13:58):
Um, but that's why so often wesee things happen and Jesus is
like keep it a secret, itdoesn't need to come out yet,
right, because we have to beprepared.
And so even in spreading thefaith today I'm not going to
walk up to a stranger and talkabout the, you know mystery of
the trinity and the indwellingof the spirit within us we begin
(14:18):
with basics.
As father said before God lovesus.
We're made for love, we're madeby love and we're made for love
.
That's what I always start outin the schools when I talk to
the kids, because we have tobegin there and then we can get
into the great depths of what'shappening.
Jordan (14:36):
Thanks for listening to the catholic accent podcast.
Don't forget to follow, likeand subscribe to our show.
Fr. Chris (14:42):
And that that concludes that concludes that
episode oh well, it's been greatto be transfigured with all of
you.
You're listening to the Catholic Accent Podcast.
In this podcast, we discuss theacts and miracles that Jesus
performed that stunned hisdisciples.
I'm Jordan Waiko, along withFather Andrew Hamilton and
Father Christopher Pujol.
Fr. Chris (00:13):
It seems like these weeks come around faster and
faster.
Jordan (00:15):
Jordan.
Where's same shirt?
All the time I wear the sameshirt.
Ha ha ha.
Today's topic istransfiguration.
Why don't you set the stage forus, father?
You said that every episode.
Fr. Andrew (00:25):
I actually think I'm going to pass it over to Father
Chris Pujol.
Jordan (00:28):
I'll just say okay.
The account of transfigurationis one of those miracles in the
gospel that terrifies thedisciples who see it.
Why do you think they'reterrified?
Fr. Chris (00:38):
Well, I think the transfiguration isn't
necessarily the type ofterrifying that you would get
from watching a horror movie,but rather it's like that fear
of God, that holy terror,because they're seeing all of
their beliefs come to fruition.
So you have the disciples up onMount Tabern, and it's
(00:58):
important to stop there and saythat in the Old Testament, any
time that a person was going toencounter God, he would be on a
mountaintop.
So we see Moses on top of MountSinai where he receives the Ten
Commandments.
Now we see here Jesus going upto Mount Tabern and there he's
transfigured with Moses andElijah, moses being the great
(01:22):
law giver so that's the law andElijah, the prophet so
encompassing all of the OldTestament is now surrounding
Jesus and they're seeing thishappen.
So what they're seeing issomething that Moses himself
didn't even experience.
Fr. Andrew (01:40):
On the Sinai Right.
It's like awesome in the senseof not just like a banal word,
awesome that we say aftersomething, but it's like it's
not.
Yeah, and even if you wouldlook out throughout scripture,
there's always an implied fearwhenever there's what's called a
theophany, or whenever God,theo God, shows himself to his
disciples, or two people.
(02:01):
But, there's always this likeimplied fear.
Think about the angel Gabriel,a messenger of the Lord, coming
to the Blessed Virgin Mary.
Be not afraid.
Fr. Chris (02:09):
Jesus is shepherds in Bethlehem.
They were afraid, they werefilled with fear constantly that
that seems to come back up.
Fr. Andrew (02:15):
And even Jesus, whenever we talked about in one
of our previous podcasts, aboutthe walking on the water, he
says take courage.
It is I, be not afraid, andeven it is I, as a sign of his
divinity.
When you look back into the Iknow it's a different language
with Greek ego, a me meaning Iam right.
Whenever God shows himself,y'all way to Moses, he says.
Fr. Chris (02:40):
I am.
Fr. Andrew (02:40):
I am sent you.
Fr. Chris (02:43):
And so God is the great.
Jordan (02:44):
I Well.
Why does he appear with Mosesand Elijah?
Why not Abraham and Isaiah oranother prophet?
Fr. Andrew (02:50):
This is a good question.
Yeah, so Moses and Elijah, asFather Chris Pujol laid out that
they were insinuating the law,and then the greatest of the
prophets.
So Abraham is a patriarch, afather in the faith, but people
would follow the law of Moses.
Even the first books of the OldTestament were called the books
(03:11):
of Moses the Pentateuch, thecollection of the law Right.
And then the role of theprophets was always to call
Israel, the people, back fromstraying away from God, back to
God himself.
Now, Elijah in the OldTestament was assumed into
heaven right on a chariot offire.
And we're told that Moses nobodyactually knows where he's
(03:33):
buried, which is interesting,and it was implied through some
of the tradition of the churchthat maybe Moses himself,
through looking at thetransfiguration, was actually
assumed as well to heaven.
So they're already thereglorying in God, but now they're
giving assent to Jesus Christ,who is the Son of God, showing
forth his divinity in thetransfiguration.
Fr. Chris (03:54):
It's also important to remember at the beginning of
this passage it says after sixdays, and Jesus didn't take up
everybody.
So what happens?
On the seventh day of creation,God rested, and now Jesus, who
is the great creator, is takinga very selective group of
apostles up the mountain Peter,James and John and by their
(04:18):
witness they're now seeing God'srevelation come to fruition.
And so what's important is thatin Christ's transfiguration, in
his death, in his resurrection,in the whole Paschal mystery,
in the sending of the HolySpirit on this seventh day, God
(04:39):
is both resting and saying thathe has recreated.
So it's like oftentimes intheology they call it the
substitution theory that the oldcovenant has been substituted
for the new covenant, but Ithink it's better to look at it
as the completion.
Yeah, they're the same reality,but now everything that the old
(05:01):
was waiting for has come tofruition, and now even those men
and women can see God,something that was never
possible.
Fr. Andrew (05:13):
In thinking through the mind of Peter, james and
John, who are on top of MountTabor with Jesus.
Who would have, they like, hadwanted to see right at this
Mount Rushmore experience, likewho are the great spiritual
heroes of your past that youwould like, think would be
around the throne of God?
Well for them.
They would expect to see Mosesand Elijah, certainly the ones
(05:36):
that led the Israelites to thePromised Land before they called
the people back to the lawcalled repentance, and so they
would expect to see them there,not carved into a rock face, but
in this form.
Jordan (05:49):
Right like Mount Rushmore literally.
Fr. Andrew (05:50):
Yeah, right, you got it.
Jordan (05:53):
They were actual figures .
Oh, absolutely yeah, they werethere.
Fr. Chris (05:56):
And they loved it so much that they said isn't it
great that we're here?
We're gonna build tents foreveryone.
We're gonna stay and we don'twant to leave this experience.
And they fell prostrate on theground and worshiped and Jesus
touched them and said Rise up,but we can't stay here.
The experience is to push usfor the journey, because this
(06:18):
isn't the end.
Fr. Andrew (06:20):
About being terrified as well that we had
touched on before.
They were terrified becauseit's been said throughout
scripture that you cannot seethe face of God and live.
Even Moses himself only seesthe backside of God at the
burning mountain.
He goes past him and just seesthe backside of him.
If you think to Elijah's ownstory, whenever he's in the cave
(06:40):
and he hears finally, after allthe consternation and rustling
and noise, and he hears thequiet whisper, what does he do?
Put his face to the groundreally quick.
Because they're terrified thatif you see God, it's death Right
, and that's what happens injust popular culture for people
to understand.
Jordan (06:57):
In Indiana Jones the original the.
Ark of the Covenant they open,that he tells Maryam to shut her
eyes turn away, don't look,whereas all the others they look
at it.
Fr. Andrew (07:07):
That's directly from scripture.
But this is the beauty of Godright, which is that looking
upon God does not cause death,but repentance and turning back
towards God actually gives lifeand we see glory in what we're
actually made for.
And so there's not this senseof being fearful of God.
Rather, god comes to literallybe our friend in Christ, to
(07:29):
bring us back to rightrelationship and friendship with
God.
Fr. Chris (07:33):
But that also demands of us that we have to be duly
prepared to not only receive himbut to be in contact with him.
Right, because nothing.
We see all this.
We've been talking in the lastfew episodes about the laws of
being clean.
Right, and they're there for areason because Jesus says
(07:53):
blessed are the pure of heart.
And so to be part of God andlook upon him, we have to be
clean, and that's why it's socritical that in our practice of
the faith, that when we receivecommunion, we should be free
from grave sin, because whathappens, it's almost a greater
(08:17):
sin that we would try to contactGod.
Going back to your image fromIndiana Jones, those who are not
prepared to receive die, andeven in the Old Testament we see
the priests if they're not dulyprepared to enter the temple,
they will die.
And so it's that great mercyseat of God that we have to call
upon and prepare to view Him.
Fr. Andrew (08:38):
We would always joke in seminary.
It says in the Levitical Lawthat you have to wear specific
things.
And if you went into the Holyof Holies, one of the things
that they would do for the HighPriest is they couldn't go into
the Holy of Holies themselves ifthe High Priest died because he
did something wrong and theywould try to do some kind of a
military-muliturgical action.
So they would tie bells on himas well as a rope around his leg
and he'd go in and if theyheard the bells stop, that meant
(08:58):
hey, did something wrong, theguy's dead.
And then they would drag himback out because they weren't
allowed to go into there.
But one thing that we see in theTransfiguration as well is an
indwelling of God with Hispeople.
So the Holy Spirit, as imagedby of course this is my son, in
whom I am well pleased.
Listen to him that's God, theFather, speaking.
(09:20):
Of course Christ is there inHis Transfigured form.
And then what else is there?
A cloud, we're told, which isalways an image of the Holy
Spirit Think about that leadingthe Israelites through the
desert towards the Promised Land.
The cloud that dwells in thetemple.
And so we have all of the threepersons of the Trinity here
present, but indwelling with usthrough a great gift of a
(09:43):
tavernacle, in a way, like usbecoming a tavernacle of God
dwelling within us and with us,which is what we do whenever we
receive Holy Communion in theEucharist that we become a
living tavernacle of the livingGod, who then goes with us into
the world to sustain us on ourjourney, and I love that.
Fr. Chris (10:00):
Father touched on that image of bells because, as
the priests of old were thebells on their vestments, today
in the Eastern Catholic churchesand in the Orthodox churches,
all of their bishops have bellson their vestments.
Because each time we enter intothe sanctuary to offer the
sacrifice of the Mass, we'reback in that temple, in the Holy
of Holies and even in our ownRoman Latin tradition.
(10:24):
When do we hear the bells?
At the moment of consecration,at the moment of the elevations
and at the consumption of thesacrifice, when the priest
consumes the precious body anddrinks from the chalice, the
bell's ring to signify thisgreat life of God that is with
us.
And really, every time wegather to offer Mass.
(10:44):
It's a transfiguration for us,because we're gazing upon not
only Jesus Christ himself in theEucharist, but all of heaven,
where we believe that theCommunion of Saints is present.
And what do we do?
We fall to our knees and weworship, just like Peter, james
and John did at Mount Tabor.
Fr. Andrew (11:05):
Where does Peter Jordan make himself out to be,
like, you know, foot in themouth again in this story?
You remember, like whenever hesays basically like hey, let's
build some tents.
Do you know why he does that?
So it comes back to that senseof the Feast of Tabernacles or
of Boos, that there was thisidea that all of the Jewish
people would come around thetemple, the indwelling presence
of God there in Jerusalem, andthey'd build these little tents
(11:28):
and they would dwell there for aweek or a little bit longer and
so with God, and it was thisgreat feast.
So it was Peter wanting to staythere longer, to be caught up
in the moment.
Fr. Chris (11:39):
If you go to New York during this feast, when the
Hasidic Jews are celebrating onall their balconies and fire
escapes in the city, you'll seelittle tents set up because,
they'll still follow that.
But what's so important, whereJesus transforms that Feast of
Booths is when he says that hehad.
St John tells us he came andpitched his tent among us.
(12:00):
Because Jesus is the trueTabernacle, the true presence of
God in the world, because he isGod.
Fr. Andrew (12:07):
I love Peter though, because he's kind of like a
little kid, who's like onvacation, who's like can't we
just stay a little bit longerdown?
Fr. Chris (12:13):
Oh, that's the worst feeling when you get home.
Fr. Andrew (12:15):
You're like, whenever you get settled in, you
just want to stay there.
This is paradise.
It's great and but it's likewhat does Jesus say get up or
going?
Fr. Chris (12:23):
down time to go.
We never stay in the churchright.
The doors open back up afterthe bell rings and we go forth.
Jordan (12:28):
It's a good point if you could have a mount rush more of
religious figures.
Fr. Andrew (12:33):
Who would you?
Jordan (12:34):
want to be there.
Fr. Andrew (12:36):
I have obscure saints that have things to do
with my life, but most peoplewould have no idea who they are.
Jordan (12:41):
They can look them up later the Blessed Virgin Mary.
Fr. Andrew (12:44):
I would definitely one there's just to talk to her
and hear of all those thingsthat she pondered and kept in
her heart.
I think that'd be veryinteresting.
She's a lot to tell us still.
Fr. Chris (12:52):
Yeah, I'd say Saint Max meal and Colby for sure.
Jordan (12:55):
Can you give me a five-second log line of who that
is a?
Fr. Chris (13:00):
priest arrested by the Nazis, put in Dosh witz,
gave his life for the salvationof others.
Jordan (13:08):
Okay.
Fr. Chris (13:11):
That's the cliff notes version.
Talk to.
Fr. Andrew (13:14):
Lazarus.
Oh, he'd be great because he'san interesting character to
write here.
He died and then gotresurrected.
He might be a topic of.
Jordan (13:22):
One of our future episodes we might talk about to
meet them yeah so in the gospel,jesus tells disciples not to
share this story until after theresurrection.
And we know they did because itis included in the gospels.
So how do we share thatencounter?
Fr. Chris (13:36):
It's important to note, like that whole idea of
the messianic secret Is that noteveryone is always prepared in
the same way to receive themessage of the messiah or
salvation.
So at this point Jesusrecognizes that Peter, james and
John are ready to see it and toTo comprehend.
He's hoping, which we see, thatthey imperfectly understand it.
(13:58):
Um, but that's why so often wesee things happen and Jesus is
like keep it a secret, itdoesn't need to come out yet,
right, because we have to beprepared.
And so even in spreading thefaith today I'm not going to
walk up to a stranger and talkabout the, you know mystery of
the trinity and the indwellingof the spirit within us we begin
(14:18):
with basics.
As father said before God lovesus.
We're made for love, we're madeby love and we're made for love
.
That's what I always start outin the schools when I talk to
the kids, because we have tobegin there and then we can get
into the great depths of what'shappening.
Jordan (14:36):
Thanks for listening to the catholic accent podcast.
Don't forget to follow, likeand subscribe to our show.
Fr. Chris (14:42):
And that that concludes that concludes that
episode oh well, it's been greatto be transfigured with all of
you.
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