June 19, 2025 • 35 mins
In this raw and unscripted live session simulcasted to Substack and Instagram , I dive into Cardinal Burke’s recent appeal to Pope Leo XIV to lift the restrictions on the Traditional Latin Mass—and what I really think is going on behind the scenes. Spoiler: Church politics isn’t always what it seems. (NOTE: This is re-published to The Catholic Experience from The Live Sessions)
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I break down the historical and spiritual context of the TLM controversy, share a personal story about how a reverent Novus Ordo Mass once rescued my faltering faith, and challenge both traditionalist and modernist assumptions about the liturgy. Plus, I explain why holding too tightly to any “spiritual crutch” stops us from moving forward—and how we must move beyond it to encounter the deeper reality of the mass and the Catholic experience.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Catholic Experience Podcast. I
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am the Catholic Adventurer.Thank you very much for joining
me. I have some news and anannouncement to share with you,
but first, let me get down tothe dirt, why you really tapped
play. In this episode, I'mtalking about Cardinal Burke
having recently appealed to PopeLeo the fourteenth for a
loosening of the restrictions onthe traditional Latin mass.
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I thought that was prettyinteresting, And I wanted to say
a few things about that, what Ithink about it. But I also
wanted to give you share withyou my vast knowledge of church
politics, and tell you what Ithink is really going on behind
the curtain. Now it's myopinion. It's an informed
opinion, but it's my opinion, sotake it with a grain of salt.
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That's what this episode isabout.
Now quick little announcement. Iswear I'm gonna be very, very
quick. I've started a newsection on my Substack and a new
podcast called the livesessions. This, what you're
about to hear, is actually wasactually an episode of the live
sessions. Let me explain thatpodcast to you because this
might really interest you.
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you know, to kind of buildengagement, to build my
following on Instagram andTikTok, sometimes if I have
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don't wanna flood it, and Ican't put it on Catholic
Experience because I don't wannaflood that. What do I do? So
this is the solution I came upwith. I started a separate
section slash podcast on mySubstack called The Live
Sessions. It is also availableon iTunes and Spotify.
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All of those links are in thisepisode's description. The the
Substack section, the iTuneslink, and the Spotify link. The
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But those are the two platformsthat you can definitely find the
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It differs this way. They're notscripted. They're not as
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They're not just, you know,random, but they're not as
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They're less edited. I'm alittle bit more, shall we say,
forthcoming.
Maybe a little more blunt. Maybea little more honest. I don't
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know. You'll have to decide foryourself. It's much more raw.
I'll read you a little of thedescription. A raw, unfiltered,
and brutally honest podcast frommy live sessions on Substack and
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off limits. Broadcastingstraight from the crossroads of
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more to the description, butthat's enough to tell you what
it's about. The live sessions.
I hope you check it out. I thinkyou'll enjoy it. So that's the
live sessions. What you're aboutto hear is technically one of
the live sessions, but I thoughtthis would be great to bring
over to the Catholic Experiencepodcast. So there it is.
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you for your support of my work.Whether you're a paying
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I really appreciate yoursupport.
God bless you, and God be withyou. And now, what do I say at
this point? On with the show. Iwanna say hello and welcome to
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everybody catching me live.Lord, have mercy.
Substack just blew up. Hello toJerubaz I I'm sorry. Can't make
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me with Blaine here on Substack.Home base, Substack is, and I
thank you all very much forjoining me.
I am simulcasting this also toInstagram. Okay? So this is
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gonna be quick. I just wanted totalk to you about what I found
here, what I discovered, andhopefully this works this works
for me. Alright.
So check it out.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Cardinal Burke let me read you the headline.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Cardinal Burke appeals for restoration of the
traditional Latin mass. And bythe way, at the end of this,
there's a little announcement Iwanna make that I think is going
to appeal to some of you, andsome of you are just not going
to care. But I'll save that forthe bottom of this little
broadcast. Cardinal Burkeappears for appeals for
restoration of a traditionalLatin mass reported by Catholic
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news agency written by ChristinaMilare. Why do people at CNA
have names I can't pronounce?
Cardinal Burke said he askedPope Leo the fourteenth to
remove measures restricting thecelebration of the traditional
Latin Mass in dioceses. Excuseme. Burke spoke at a London
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conference organized by theLatin Mass Society of England
and Wales, telling attendeesthat he hopes the new pontiff
will quote put an end to thepersecution of the Catholic
faithful who want to celebrateMass using the more ancient
usage of the Roman liturgy. ThePrefect Emeritus of the
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Apostolic Signatura and formerpatron of the Order of Malta was
one of seven guest panelistsinvited to speak at the faith
and culture conference held onJune 14. Says the Catholic
adventurer, okay.
I'm down with that, end quote.So this is very interesting. I'm
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going to tell you my theory. I'mgonna tell you what I actually
think is going on here.Unfortunately, I know a thing or
two about church politics.
I wish that I didn't, but I do.And so based on what I know
about church politics, I'm gonnatell you what I strongly suspect
is going on. What I thinkactually happened is someone
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poked Burke and said, Hey, ifthe traditional Latin mass
restrictions that were put inplace by Pope Francis are
lifted, it's going to look likean assault on Pope Francis'
legacy. You can't just lift themout of nowhere. But if there is
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an appeal, a reasoned andreasonable appeal by a notable,
cardinal or any cardinal, thenit would look like Pope Leo is
simply acting in response tothat appeal.
And then it won't look like anassault against Pope Francis or
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his legacy or his decision torestrict the Latin Mass. That's
what I think is reallyhappening. Because folks, that
actually goes on in the church.It's all about appearances many,
many times. When we're talkingabout church governance, when
we're talking about churchgovernance, optics and
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appearances definitely on thetable, very present in the mind
of the hierarchy.
Almost closed it by accident. Sothat's what I think is going on.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Let's go back to the article and read a little more.
Auxiliary
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Bishop Athanasius Schneider of Astana, Kazakhstan,
pause.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Is it just me, or does Bishop Schneider Schneider
sound like Dracula?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Be honest with yourselves. He sounds like
Dracula. Have you ever heard himspeak? I believe that the Latin
Mass is ancient and should notbe restricted. Ah, ah, ah, Come
on.
If you deny that he sounds likeDracula, then you've never heard
him speak or you don't know whatDracula sounds like. Let's go
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back to it. I'm sorry for thatbreakaway. Auxiliary bishop
Athanasius Snyder, ah ah ah, ofEstonia, Kazakhstan, who has
written extensively on theEucharist and church tradition,
also spoke at the weekendconference held to mark the
sixtieth anniversary of The UKbased society. Side note, folks,
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I don't know if you're familiarwith this, the Latin Mass
Society of England and Wales,but they're very active.
I've done some reporting on themin the past. Very active. Not
crazy. Not crazy. I would say Imean, I can't recall exactly the
things that I've spoken on bythem, but I recall them not
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being crazy and only disagreeingwith one thing that they said or
did.
Probably stupid to even for meto even bring that up since I
can't remember what it is totell you about it. But they're
very active. That's really thepoint I wanted to make. They're
very active in this sort ofthing, in Catholic tradition and
restore a restoration oftradition and stuff like that. I
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certainly, quote, I certainlyhave already had occasion to
express that to the holy father,Burke said via video link.
It is my hope that he will, assoon as is reasonably possible,
take up the study of thisquestion, End quote. After the
Second Vatican Council, PopePaul the sixth promulgated the
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Novus Ordo Missae in 1969. Thisliturgy celebrated in the
vernacular largely replaced theTLM and dioceses worldwide.
During the conference, Burkeexpressed his desire for Pope
Leo to overturn Francis twentytwenty one Traditiones Coustodes
Modu Proprio and restoreBenedict the sixteenth's 2,007
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Summorum Pontificum. Quote, Itis my hope, Burke said at the
conference, that Leo will evencontinue to develop what Pope
Benedict the sixteenth had sowisely and lovingly legislated
for.
Here's folks, if you're notfamiliar and welcome Emmanuel
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Smith joining me here onSubstack. God bless you. I don't
see much of you lately, EmmanuelSmith. Are you still posting
here on Substack? I follow youand I subscribe to your thing,
to your Substack, but I don'thardly see any of you lately.
I don't know. If you don't know,I don't believe the Latin Mass
should have been restricted. ButI did agree with the holy
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father, Pope Francis, that therewas a problem in the Latin Mass
communities of the church. I doagree there. But I don't think
it should have been restricted.
I think it should have been leftto local ordinaries to decide
whether there was a problem intheir own in their respective
dioceses. Sorry. Getting alittle feedback. To decide if
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there was a problem in their intheir own dioceses, and to
decide what, if anything, to doabout it. It's possible that the
holy father, Pope Francis,considered that,
Speaker 2 (12:32):
but concluded that local ordinaries probably
wouldn't cooperate one way orthe other. That's a possibility.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Even with my headset on, I'm hearing the fans of my
computer blowing like ahurricane, and I have never
heard my fans go on. So now I'mwondering what the hell is going
on that it's getting sostressed. Sorry about that
breakaway. So I don't think itshould have been restricted, but
I see why he did it. Now let'sgo back to Benedict XVI's modi
proprio.
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Again, that's that's not amisspeak. That's I mean,
Benedict the sixteenth.Provided. I probably should have
looked this up before. I havethe moda proprio open in front
of me, but it's very it's verylong, and I don't have I don't
wanna take the time to combthrough it to find what I wanted
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to find to talk about.
You'll just have to trust me onthis one. Okay? Bennet the
sixteenth, in his Moto ProprioSummorum Pontificum, freed up
the Latin Mass for wider usagethroughout the church. Priests,
provided they knew how tocelebrate the the traditional
Latin Mass, were permitted tocelebrate it without having to
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seek permission from theirdiocese. And, you know, they
were following all the rubricsand all that stuff.
Okay? They didn't have to seekpermission, they didn't need a
special reason, nothing likethat. I thought that was great.
I thought that was really reallygreat. But here's something that
people often forget or overlookor just didn't know.
There is a caveat in there, inhis modu proprio. The faithful
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cannot use the traditional LatinMass as a rejection of
Speaker 2 (14:17):
the Council as a rejection of the Second Vatican
Council, or as an explicit orimplied statement that the new
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Mass is a lesser Mass or is an invalid Mass. In other
words, you may use this Massanywhere you want to use it. You
can celebrate it if you know howto celebrate it, but, nine, you
cannot use this Mass inrejection of the council Or as a
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statement implied or explicitthat the Novus is not a valid
mess? You can do the TLM, butnot if it's a rejection if
you're doing it in rejection ofthe Council, and not if you're
doing it as a rejection of theNovus Ordo as an equally valid
Mass. That was the conditionthere.
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Pope Francis, I suspect, wasaware that many in the
traditional, in the traditionalworld of the church I'm so
sorry, folks. I'm, like, doingthe control room stuff, the
engineering stuff. I'm doing alot of stuff. I don't know. The
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audio is either too quiet orit's too hot, but it's it's
right about where I think itshould just be comfortable
enough.
I think Pope Francis identifiedthat there was a problem, that
people were using thetraditional Latin Mass as a sort
of church within the church, asa soft or intentional rejection
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of the Second Vatican Council,or a rejection of the
traditional of the ordinary formslash Novus Ordo Mass. And for
their spiritual well-being andthe well-being of the unity of
the church, he restricted itthroughout the church. He
basically effectively reversedBenedict the sixteenth's modu
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proprio. Thank you, and Victorsaying in the in Instagram
saying it sounds fine. Okay.
Thank you. I appreciate that.Thank you very, very much. I
really do appreciate that. I'mnot just being courteous.
Thank you, brother. And hello toChristian Gebert joining me here
at home base at Substack. If youdon't know, you ought to know.
You got the right one, baby.When you join me here on
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Substack, hello, KM.
Jessic. Jessic. Something likethat. Just joining me here at
Substack as well. So here's whatI think.
I do believe, I stronglybelieve, that someone, I'm not
saying it
Speaker 2 (16:50):
was Pope Leo, but it might have been, but I think
someone poked and
Speaker 1 (16:56):
prodded Cardinal Burke and said, Listen, if this
Mass is set free again, it'sgoing to look like Pope Leo is
stomping all over Pope Francis',I don't know, quality as a
leader, his judgment, I don'tknow. It's just going to look it
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might make Pope Francis lookbad. But
Speaker 2 (17:20):
if Pope Leo the fourteenth responds to a valid
petition from a cardinal, thenit doesn't look bad. Then it'll
Speaker 1 (17:32):
look it'll just look like the pope is positively
reacting to a petition from acardinal. Not just taking it on
himself to just reverse PopeFrancis' decision, he's
responding to a cardinal. Maybeto many cardinals. Maybe this is
this is going to come from othercardinals and bishops as well. I
very strongly believe that iswhat's happening.
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Don't take my word for it. It'smy opinion. And it's my opinion
based on my sadly very thoroughknowledge of church politics.
Very thorough know. I wish I didnot I wish I did not know church
politics as well as I do.
Unfortunately, I do. And that'swhat I think is happening. I
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also believe it would be a goodthing for the traditional Latin
Mass to be set free. However,there really is a problem in the
church. There's a problem withwhat many, not all, many.
And folks, if you want to knowhow deep the problem is, look
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for the comments to thisepisode. You hear me saying
many, not all? You watch howmany people are hostile to the
fact that I'm saying this atall, and then you're gonna see
how deep the problem goes. Manynot all traditionalists are
abusing the traditional LatinMass. They're turning it into a
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subculture of the church.
That problem is real. It isbroad. It is deep. And that
problem, regardless of thedisposition of the TLM going
forward, that problem needs tobe addressed. How do you do
that?
Through catechesis, through anappeal, Through mission? I
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really don't know. But it needsto be addressed because,
Speaker 2 (19:27):
and frankly, I think the depth of the problem,
Speaker 1 (19:34):
the true depth of the problem has been more exposed
since the TLM was restricted. Ireally, really believe that. I
see it every day. I saw it justyesterday, and I'm not going to
give voice to
Speaker 2 (19:48):
what I saw. Because I don't
Speaker 1 (19:51):
want to embarrass people. Mean, there's nobody
here, but it it was from someonefrom a commenter on one of my
socials. But I get those sortsof comments all the time, but
still I don't wanna name namesor anything. I don't wanna
embarrass anybody. Plus itwasn't hostile or or or anything
like that or contentious.
Hello to Peaceful Crusader. Godbless you Peaceful Crusader
joining me here on Instagram. Ithank you very much for joining
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me. Peaceful Crusader. What acool and interesting name.
I love the logo too. Very, verycool and interesting name.
Peaceful Crusader. I think Iremember looking at your profile
once actually there, PeacefulCrusader. I think I liked it.
Think I followed you back. Sothat's what I think is going on.
I hope the traditional LatinMass is set free. I don't you
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know, there are people who go tothe TLM for good reasons,
important reasons, for reasonsof their spiritual health in
some cases, because some peopleneed what the TLM offers. I
don't, but some people needthat.
And I remember, I'll share avery personal story with you.
It's not very personal, but itis a personal story. One time I
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went to I won't say where itwas, but it was a church where
there was a very notable priestwho who happened to be the
pastor there, and I didn't knowthat. I was just there by
chance. And the mass was it wasa Novus Ordo mass, and I was
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going through a rough patch atthe time with my faith in my oh,
boy, in my life.
In my faith and in my life. AndI was sort of on a on a rebound.
You you all know this, folks.You've been through these these
cycles. Right?
I was sort of on a rebound.Okay? Where it's dark, and it's
rough, and it's damn awful, andit's going on for a while. And I
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was on sort of a rebound where Iwas starting to feel like I was
finally catching my breath. Iwasn't there yet, but I was
starting to feel like I
Speaker 2 (21:57):
was catching my breath. And I happened upon this
church. I needed to
Speaker 1 (22:02):
go to mass, so I went to mass, and this notable priest
was there. He was the thecelebrant. And it was a it was
it was the mass of my youth.Now, I grew up in the Novosordo
mass, okay? You grew up in theOrdinary Four mass.
It was the mass of my youth. Inthat, it was the smells, it was
the bells, it was the celebrantand the servers took their time.
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You could just from theirmovement and how they did
everything, everything was sowell ordered and so well
coordinated and they took theirtime, didn't rush. Very reverent
in that. Okay?
In in that way. It was it wasjust like I went back in time,
and and everything was just sojust so perfect in that liturgy.
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Just just so right. And I need Ineeded that mess so badly on
that day.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
And on the way out,
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I said to him, you know how you go and everyone's
shaking hands with the priest ontheir on their way out. That's a
cute little Catholic culturalitem that I think we take for
granted. Take some time toreally appreciate that little
custom that we have. So on theway out, I shook his hand and I
told him, father, thank you forreminding me why I love being
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Catholic. And that was it.
There wasn't no long words. Thatwas that that was all that I
said.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
And then I left. And I meant it.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
During that period of my life, I
Speaker 2 (23:36):
needed that mass. I needed that. I needed the
richness of what the Nova Sorterwas when
Speaker 1 (23:44):
I was a kid. There was still chanting. There was
plenty of incense. There wasliterally bells. There were real
candles.
Not that electronic crap. Therewas an army of altar servers,
altar boys. There were noEucharistic ministers, which to
this day there is nothing youcould ever tell me to get me to
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be okay with ExtraordinaryMinisters of Holy Communion. And
if you are an extraordinaryminister, God bless you. I'm not
saying you're evil.
I'm just saying I'm saying whatthe
Speaker 2 (24:21):
church is saying. Those should be extraordinary.
You shouldn't be using themevery week. If you're doing a
daily Mass, and there's let'sjust just throw out a number.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
There's 20 people there, you don't need a
Eucharistic minister. You don'tneed those to save time. There's
20 people there. What's thematter with you? When I was a
kid, there was zero Eucharistzero Eucharistic ministers.
Zero. None. We had three priestsand a religious brother, a
Jesuit, a good Jesuit. Why hewas living at our parish, I
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don't know. I think he mighthave been retired there, because
he was very old.
Anyway, at communion time, asecond priest or that religious
brother, that Jesuit, would comeout to help distribute
communion,
Speaker 2 (25:08):
and that was it. There was no Eucharistic
ministers. And there
Speaker 1 (25:11):
were only two priests in a packed, packed, super
packed, enormous church when Igrew up. Packed, packed, super
packed two priests. That was it.You didn't have an army of all
three Eucharistic ministersdishing out communion. Anyway,
enough of that soapbox moment.
The point is, it was a beautifulMass, and it was a Mass that was
so beautiful and I reallyneeded. So I I appreciate that
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there are Catholics who need thetraditional Latin Mass. They
need that. However, my assertionis you shouldn't need that
forever. At a point, you have tomove on and ditch the crutches.
And that's not a bad thing thatthey're crutches that I'm saying
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that they're crutches. That'snot a
Speaker 2 (25:56):
bad thing. I needed a crutch too. At a couple
Speaker 1 (26:00):
of points in my life, I needed a crutch. And when
we're young, or when we're lessmature in the faith, some people
are less mature in the faiththan they're and they're, you
know, 30 year old converts, youknow? It has nothing to do with
I'm not saying you're animmature person. But when you're
young and or when you'reimmature in the faith or when
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you're broken, set back in thefaith, right, you're injured,
you know, you're set back,sometimes you need those
crutches. They help you to getup, they help you to move
forward, they help you to moveon, but you have to move on.
Because the beauty and thestrength and the power of the
Mass is not in those superficialthings that we love so much.
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They are not valueless, but thebeauty and strength and power of
the Mass is not in them.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
It's in the reading of the Word of God, it's in
Speaker 1 (26:53):
the consecration of the Eucharist on the altar, and
it's
Speaker 2 (26:56):
the reception of Holy Communion after it's
consecrated. That is the powerand strength of the mass. And at
a point and
Speaker 1 (27:08):
I my friends, I'm speaking from experience here.
Okay? This is not theory. Ifyou're holding on to those quote
unquote crutches, I'm sorry ifthat's a negative word, but I
don't mean it that way, whenyou're holding onto the
crutches, you cannot moveforward. You cannot experience
the full force of the power of
Speaker 2 (27:28):
the mass if you're relying on those crutches.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
And I gotta tell you, my friends, there's a lot of
people relying on those crutchesand and should not be. Should
not be. Because they talk aboutthe mass like the mass is their
is the religion. The mass
Speaker 2 (27:42):
is not the religion. The mass is not
Speaker 1 (27:45):
the religion. Or they talk about the mass Folks,
listen carefully. You'll hear ityourselves. This is it's not
like it's written in code. Theytalk about the Mass as if it's
self centered.
What I need in the Mass, what Iget from the Mass, my Mass, my
Mass, my Mass, my Mass. I don'tlike the music, so it shouldn't
be in the mass, and so on and soon. My friends, that's not what
the mass is. The mass is notordered inwardly. It's ordered
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outwardly.
It's oriented to God. It is notthe religion. It is the height
of our religious expression, butit is not the religion. But many
people who are relying on themass as a crutch will talk about
it like it's their religion. Mybrothers and sisters, you have
Speaker 2 (28:25):
to move on because God has so much waiting for you.
But he needs you to get up andtake it. And you can't get up
and you
Speaker 1 (28:36):
can't move forward if you're holding on to
Speaker 2 (28:38):
those crutches. I don't know why I got on that
high horse.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
I really don't. I don't even know I don't even
know how I get from point a topoint b when I do these damn
broadcasts. I really don't know.But I thank you for your
patience. Now I have no idea howmany people are actually
watching me on Instagram.
Let's see. I'm gonna go overhere because over here in this
other window, I'll be able tosee how many people I'm going to
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guess there's one person inthere.
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having recently appealed to PopeLeo the fourteenth for a
loosening of the restrictions onthe traditional Latin mass.
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a few things about that, what Ithink about it. But I also
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Speaker 2 (05:29):
Cardinal Burke let me read you the headline.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Cardinal Burke appeals for restoration of the
traditional Latin mass. And bythe way, at the end of this,
there's a little announcement Iwanna make that I think is going
to appeal to some of you, andsome of you are just not going
to care. But I'll save that forthe bottom of this little
broadcast. Cardinal Burkeappears for appeals for
restoration of a traditionalLatin mass reported by Catholic
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news agency written by ChristinaMilare. Why do people at CNA
have names I can't pronounce?
Cardinal Burke said he askedPope Leo the fourteenth to
remove measures restricting thecelebration of the traditional
Latin Mass in dioceses. Excuseme. Burke spoke at a London
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conference organized by theLatin Mass Society of England
and Wales, telling attendeesthat he hopes the new pontiff
will quote put an end to thepersecution of the Catholic
faithful who want to celebrateMass using the more ancient
usage of the Roman liturgy. ThePrefect Emeritus of the
(06:36):
Apostolic Signatura and formerpatron of the Order of Malta was
one of seven guest panelistsinvited to speak at the faith
and culture conference held onJune 14. Says the Catholic
adventurer, okay.
I'm down with that, end quote.So this is very interesting. I'm
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going to tell you my theory. I'mgonna tell you what I actually
think is going on here.Unfortunately, I know a thing or
two about church politics.
I wish that I didn't, but I do.And so based on what I know
about church politics, I'm gonnatell you what I strongly suspect
is going on. What I thinkactually happened is someone
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poked Burke and said, Hey, ifthe traditional Latin mass
restrictions that were put inplace by Pope Francis are
lifted, it's going to look likean assault on Pope Francis'
legacy. You can't just lift themout of nowhere. But if there is
(07:47):
an appeal, a reasoned andreasonable appeal by a notable,
cardinal or any cardinal, thenit would look like Pope Leo is
simply acting in response tothat appeal.
And then it won't look like anassault against Pope Francis or
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his legacy or his decision torestrict the Latin Mass. That's
what I think is reallyhappening. Because folks, that
actually goes on in the church.It's all about appearances many,
many times. When we're talkingabout church governance, when
we're talking about churchgovernance, optics and
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appearances definitely on thetable, very present in the mind
of the hierarchy.
Almost closed it by accident. Sothat's what I think is going on.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Let's go back to the article and read a little more.
Auxiliary
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Bishop Athanasius Schneider of Astana, Kazakhstan,
pause.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Is it just me, or does Bishop Schneider Schneider
sound like Dracula?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Be honest with yourselves. He sounds like
Dracula. Have you ever heard himspeak? I believe that the Latin
Mass is ancient and should notbe restricted. Ah, ah, ah, Come
on.
If you deny that he sounds likeDracula, then you've never heard
him speak or you don't know whatDracula sounds like. Let's go
(09:21):
back to it. I'm sorry for thatbreakaway. Auxiliary bishop
Athanasius Snyder, ah ah ah, ofEstonia, Kazakhstan, who has
written extensively on theEucharist and church tradition,
also spoke at the weekendconference held to mark the
sixtieth anniversary of The UKbased society. Side note, folks,
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I don't know if you're familiarwith this, the Latin Mass
Society of England and Wales,but they're very active.
I've done some reporting on themin the past. Very active. Not
crazy. Not crazy. I would say Imean, I can't recall exactly the
things that I've spoken on bythem, but I recall them not
(10:05):
being crazy and only disagreeingwith one thing that they said or
did.
Probably stupid to even for meto even bring that up since I
can't remember what it is totell you about it. But they're
very active. That's really thepoint I wanted to make. They're
very active in this sort ofthing, in Catholic tradition and
restore a restoration oftradition and stuff like that. I
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certainly, quote, I certainlyhave already had occasion to
express that to the holy father,Burke said via video link.
It is my hope that he will, assoon as is reasonably possible,
take up the study of thisquestion, End quote. After the
Second Vatican Council, PopePaul the sixth promulgated the
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Novus Ordo Missae in 1969. Thisliturgy celebrated in the
vernacular largely replaced theTLM and dioceses worldwide.
During the conference, Burkeexpressed his desire for Pope
Leo to overturn Francis twentytwenty one Traditiones Coustodes
Modu Proprio and restoreBenedict the sixteenth's 2,007
(11:09):
Summorum Pontificum. Quote, Itis my hope, Burke said at the
conference, that Leo will evencontinue to develop what Pope
Benedict the sixteenth had sowisely and lovingly legislated
for.
Here's folks, if you're notfamiliar and welcome Emmanuel
(11:31):
Smith joining me here onSubstack. God bless you. I don't
see much of you lately, EmmanuelSmith. Are you still posting
here on Substack? I follow youand I subscribe to your thing,
to your Substack, but I don'thardly see any of you lately.
I don't know. If you don't know,I don't believe the Latin Mass
should have been restricted. ButI did agree with the holy
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father, Pope Francis, that therewas a problem in the Latin Mass
communities of the church. I doagree there. But I don't think
it should have been restricted.
I think it should have been leftto local ordinaries to decide
whether there was a problem intheir own in their respective
dioceses. Sorry. Getting alittle feedback. To decide if
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there was a problem in their intheir own dioceses, and to
decide what, if anything, to doabout it. It's possible that the
holy father, Pope Francis,considered that,
Speaker 2 (12:32):
but concluded that local ordinaries probably
wouldn't cooperate one way orthe other. That's a possibility.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Even with my headset on, I'm hearing the fans of my
computer blowing like ahurricane, and I have never
heard my fans go on. So now I'mwondering what the hell is going
on that it's getting sostressed. Sorry about that
breakaway. So I don't think itshould have been restricted, but
I see why he did it. Now let'sgo back to Benedict XVI's modi
proprio.
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Again, that's that's not amisspeak. That's I mean,
Benedict the sixteenth.Provided. I probably should have
looked this up before. I havethe moda proprio open in front
of me, but it's very it's verylong, and I don't have I don't
wanna take the time to combthrough it to find what I wanted
(13:29):
to find to talk about.
You'll just have to trust me onthis one. Okay? Bennet the
sixteenth, in his Moto ProprioSummorum Pontificum, freed up
the Latin Mass for wider usagethroughout the church. Priests,
provided they knew how tocelebrate the the traditional
Latin Mass, were permitted tocelebrate it without having to
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seek permission from theirdiocese. And, you know, they
were following all the rubricsand all that stuff.
Okay? They didn't have to seekpermission, they didn't need a
special reason, nothing likethat. I thought that was great.
I thought that was really reallygreat. But here's something that
people often forget or overlookor just didn't know.
There is a caveat in there, inhis modu proprio. The faithful
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cannot use the traditional LatinMass as a rejection of
Speaker 2 (14:17):
the Council as a rejection of the Second Vatican
Council, or as an explicit orimplied statement that the new
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Mass is a lesser Mass or is an invalid Mass. In other
words, you may use this Massanywhere you want to use it. You
can celebrate it if you know howto celebrate it, but, nine, you
cannot use this Mass inrejection of the council Or as a
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statement implied or explicitthat the Novus is not a valid
mess? You can do the TLM, butnot if it's a rejection if
you're doing it in rejection ofthe Council, and not if you're
doing it as a rejection of theNovus Ordo as an equally valid
Mass. That was the conditionthere.
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Pope Francis, I suspect, wasaware that many in the
traditional, in the traditionalworld of the church I'm so
sorry, folks. I'm, like, doingthe control room stuff, the
engineering stuff. I'm doing alot of stuff. I don't know. The
(15:33):
audio is either too quiet orit's too hot, but it's it's
right about where I think itshould just be comfortable
enough.
I think Pope Francis identifiedthat there was a problem, that
people were using thetraditional Latin Mass as a sort
of church within the church, asa soft or intentional rejection
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of the Second Vatican Council,or a rejection of the
traditional of the ordinary formslash Novus Ordo Mass. And for
their spiritual well-being andthe well-being of the unity of
the church, he restricted itthroughout the church. He
basically effectively reversedBenedict the sixteenth's modu
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proprio. Thank you, and Victorsaying in the in Instagram
saying it sounds fine. Okay.
Thank you. I appreciate that.Thank you very, very much. I
really do appreciate that. I'mnot just being courteous.
Thank you, brother. And hello toChristian Gebert joining me here
at home base at Substack. If youdon't know, you ought to know.
You got the right one, baby.When you join me here on
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Substack, hello, KM.
Jessic. Jessic. Something likethat. Just joining me here at
Substack as well. So here's whatI think.
I do believe, I stronglybelieve, that someone, I'm not
saying it
Speaker 2 (16:50):
was Pope Leo, but it might have been, but I think
someone poked and
Speaker 1 (16:56):
prodded Cardinal Burke and said, Listen, if this
Mass is set free again, it'sgoing to look like Pope Leo is
stomping all over Pope Francis',I don't know, quality as a
leader, his judgment, I don'tknow. It's just going to look it
(17:16):
might make Pope Francis lookbad. But
Speaker 2 (17:20):
if Pope Leo the fourteenth responds to a valid
petition from a cardinal, thenit doesn't look bad. Then it'll
Speaker 1 (17:32):
look it'll just look like the pope is positively
reacting to a petition from acardinal. Not just taking it on
himself to just reverse PopeFrancis' decision, he's
responding to a cardinal. Maybeto many cardinals. Maybe this is
this is going to come from othercardinals and bishops as well. I
very strongly believe that iswhat's happening.
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Don't take my word for it. It'smy opinion. And it's my opinion
based on my sadly very thoroughknowledge of church politics.
Very thorough know. I wish I didnot I wish I did not know church
politics as well as I do.
Unfortunately, I do. And that'swhat I think is happening. I
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also believe it would be a goodthing for the traditional Latin
Mass to be set free. However,there really is a problem in the
church. There's a problem withwhat many, not all, many.
And folks, if you want to knowhow deep the problem is, look
(18:37):
for the comments to thisepisode. You hear me saying
many, not all? You watch howmany people are hostile to the
fact that I'm saying this atall, and then you're gonna see
how deep the problem goes. Manynot all traditionalists are
abusing the traditional LatinMass. They're turning it into a
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subculture of the church.
That problem is real. It isbroad. It is deep. And that
problem, regardless of thedisposition of the TLM going
forward, that problem needs tobe addressed. How do you do
that?
Through catechesis, through anappeal, Through mission? I
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really don't know. But it needsto be addressed because,
Speaker 2 (19:27):
and frankly, I think the depth of the problem,
Speaker 1 (19:34):
the true depth of the problem has been more exposed
since the TLM was restricted. Ireally, really believe that. I
see it every day. I saw it justyesterday, and I'm not going to
give voice to
Speaker 2 (19:48):
what I saw. Because I don't
Speaker 1 (19:51):
want to embarrass people. Mean, there's nobody
here, but it it was from someonefrom a commenter on one of my
socials. But I get those sortsof comments all the time, but
still I don't wanna name namesor anything. I don't wanna
embarrass anybody. Plus itwasn't hostile or or or anything
like that or contentious.
Hello to Peaceful Crusader. Godbless you Peaceful Crusader
joining me here on Instagram. Ithank you very much for joining
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me. Peaceful Crusader. What acool and interesting name.
I love the logo too. Very, verycool and interesting name.
Peaceful Crusader. I think Iremember looking at your profile
once actually there, PeacefulCrusader. I think I liked it.
Think I followed you back. Sothat's what I think is going on.
I hope the traditional LatinMass is set free. I don't you
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know, there are people who go tothe TLM for good reasons,
important reasons, for reasonsof their spiritual health in
some cases, because some peopleneed what the TLM offers. I
don't, but some people needthat.
And I remember, I'll share avery personal story with you.
It's not very personal, but itis a personal story. One time I
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went to I won't say where itwas, but it was a church where
there was a very notable priestwho who happened to be the
pastor there, and I didn't knowthat. I was just there by
chance. And the mass was it wasa Novus Ordo mass, and I was
(21:20):
going through a rough patch atthe time with my faith in my oh,
boy, in my life.
In my faith and in my life. AndI was sort of on a on a rebound.
You you all know this, folks.You've been through these these
cycles. Right?
I was sort of on a rebound.Okay? Where it's dark, and it's
rough, and it's damn awful, andit's going on for a while. And I
(21:47):
was on sort of a rebound where Iwas starting to feel like I was
finally catching my breath. Iwasn't there yet, but I was
starting to feel like I
Speaker 2 (21:57):
was catching my breath. And I happened upon this
church. I needed to
Speaker 1 (22:02):
go to mass, so I went to mass, and this notable priest
was there. He was the thecelebrant. And it was a it was
it was the mass of my youth.Now, I grew up in the Novosordo
mass, okay? You grew up in theOrdinary Four mass.
It was the mass of my youth. Inthat, it was the smells, it was
the bells, it was the celebrantand the servers took their time.
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You could just from theirmovement and how they did
everything, everything was sowell ordered and so well
coordinated and they took theirtime, didn't rush. Very reverent
in that. Okay?
In in that way. It was it wasjust like I went back in time,
and and everything was just sojust so perfect in that liturgy.
(22:50):
Just just so right. And I need Ineeded that mess so badly on
that day.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
And on the way out,
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I said to him, you know how you go and everyone's
shaking hands with the priest ontheir on their way out. That's a
cute little Catholic culturalitem that I think we take for
granted. Take some time toreally appreciate that little
custom that we have. So on theway out, I shook his hand and I
told him, father, thank you forreminding me why I love being
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Catholic. And that was it.
There wasn't no long words. Thatwas that that was all that I
said.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
And then I left. And I meant it.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
During that period of my life, I
Speaker 2 (23:36):
needed that mass. I needed that. I needed the
richness of what the Nova Sorterwas when
Speaker 1 (23:44):
I was a kid. There was still chanting. There was
plenty of incense. There wasliterally bells. There were real
candles.
Not that electronic crap. Therewas an army of altar servers,
altar boys. There were noEucharistic ministers, which to
this day there is nothing youcould ever tell me to get me to
(24:08):
be okay with ExtraordinaryMinisters of Holy Communion. And
if you are an extraordinaryminister, God bless you. I'm not
saying you're evil.
I'm just saying I'm saying whatthe
Speaker 2 (24:21):
church is saying. Those should be extraordinary.
You shouldn't be using themevery week. If you're doing a
daily Mass, and there's let'sjust just throw out a number.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
There's 20 people there, you don't need a
Eucharistic minister. You don'tneed those to save time. There's
20 people there. What's thematter with you? When I was a
kid, there was zero Eucharistzero Eucharistic ministers.
Zero. None. We had three priestsand a religious brother, a
Jesuit, a good Jesuit. Why hewas living at our parish, I
(24:52):
don't know. I think he mighthave been retired there, because
he was very old.
Anyway, at communion time, asecond priest or that religious
brother, that Jesuit, would comeout to help distribute
communion,
Speaker 2 (25:08):
and that was it. There was no Eucharistic
ministers. And there
Speaker 1 (25:11):
were only two priests in a packed, packed, super
packed, enormous church when Igrew up. Packed, packed, super
packed two priests. That was it.You didn't have an army of all
three Eucharistic ministersdishing out communion. Anyway,
enough of that soapbox moment.
The point is, it was a beautifulMass, and it was a Mass that was
so beautiful and I reallyneeded. So I I appreciate that
(25:34):
there are Catholics who need thetraditional Latin Mass. They
need that. However, my assertionis you shouldn't need that
forever. At a point, you have tomove on and ditch the crutches.
And that's not a bad thing thatthey're crutches that I'm saying
(25:55):
that they're crutches. That'snot a
Speaker 2 (25:56):
bad thing. I needed a crutch too. At a couple
Speaker 1 (26:00):
of points in my life, I needed a crutch. And when
we're young, or when we're lessmature in the faith, some people
are less mature in the faiththan they're and they're, you
know, 30 year old converts, youknow? It has nothing to do with
I'm not saying you're animmature person. But when you're
young and or when you'reimmature in the faith or when
(26:22):
you're broken, set back in thefaith, right, you're injured,
you know, you're set back,sometimes you need those
crutches. They help you to getup, they help you to move
forward, they help you to moveon, but you have to move on.
Because the beauty and thestrength and the power of the
Mass is not in those superficialthings that we love so much.
(26:43):
They are not valueless, but thebeauty and strength and power of
the Mass is not in them.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
It's in the reading of the Word of God, it's in
Speaker 1 (26:53):
the consecration of the Eucharist on the altar, and
it's
Speaker 2 (26:56):
the reception of Holy Communion after it's
consecrated. That is the powerand strength of the mass. And at
a point and
Speaker 1 (27:08):
I my friends, I'm speaking from experience here.
Okay? This is not theory. Ifyou're holding on to those quote
unquote crutches, I'm sorry ifthat's a negative word, but I
don't mean it that way, whenyou're holding onto the
crutches, you cannot moveforward. You cannot experience
the full force of the power of
Speaker 2 (27:28):
the mass if you're relying on those crutches.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
And I gotta tell you, my friends, there's a lot of
people relying on those crutchesand and should not be. Should
not be. Because they talk aboutthe mass like the mass is their
is the religion. The mass
Speaker 2 (27:42):
is not the religion. The mass is not
Speaker 1 (27:45):
the religion. Or they talk about the mass Folks,
listen carefully. You'll hear ityourselves. This is it's not
like it's written in code. Theytalk about the Mass as if it's
self centered.
What I need in the Mass, what Iget from the Mass, my Mass, my
Mass, my Mass, my Mass. I don'tlike the music, so it shouldn't
be in the mass, and so on and soon. My friends, that's not what
the mass is. The mass is notordered inwardly. It's ordered
(28:09):
outwardly.
It's oriented to God. It is notthe religion. It is the height
of our religious expression, butit is not the religion. But many
people who are relying on themass as a crutch will talk about
it like it's their religion. Mybrothers and sisters, you have
Speaker 2 (28:25):
to move on because God has so much waiting for you.
But he needs you to get up andtake it. And you can't get up
and you
Speaker 1 (28:36):
can't move forward if you're holding on to
Speaker 2 (28:38):
those crutches. I don't know why I got on that
high horse.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
I really don't. I don't even know I don't even
know how I get from point a topoint b when I do these damn
broadcasts. I really don't know.But I thank you for your
patience. Now I have no idea howmany people are actually
watching me on Instagram.
Let's see. I'm gonna go overhere because over here in this
other window, I'll be able tosee how many people I'm going to
(29:04):
guess there's one person inthere.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
I'm gonna guess. I'm gonna guess.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Folks, what what's your guess? How many people are
still watching on Instagram?What's your guess? Type in the
oh, damn. I'm wrong.
There's two. Hello, those two ofyou
Speaker 2 (29:17):
on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
I don't know how many people are the funny thing about
Substack is there's a littleeyeball with a number next to it
in my display window here onSubstack, home base. Thank you
very much. And right now thatnumber is at nine. In past
broadcasts, that number goes upto like twenty, thirty, 40, and
(29:40):
I'm like, cow, there's 40 peoplein the chat room watching this
broadcast. You know what Ifigured out?
It's a it's the total number ofpeople who have checked in and
watched for more than a second.So I'm seeing nine. There's not
nine people in here. Who's stillhere? I'm typing in the chat
(30:02):
room on Substack.
Who's still here? And hello toYo Tocchino and Saint Hubert.
That's about as much as thatname as I can make out, Saint
Hubert. Thank you for joiningme. God bless you.
I'm about to wrap this up andit's going to
Speaker 2 (30:18):
be made available on demand for you. Oh, that reminds
me. See, I don't
Speaker 1 (30:24):
think anyone's left on Substack because I typed
who's still here and nobodyresponded. Oh, well. Thank you
to those of you on Instagram.Two of you or three of you still
catching me. Little announcementI wanted to make.
I've got a lot to say. I've gota lot of experience, so I have a
Speaker 2 (30:37):
lot to talk about. So you really ought to
Speaker 1 (30:40):
come and check me out here on Substack. Wherever
you're getting this on socials,I go way deeper on Substack.
You're getting a full experienceon Substack. Subscribing is
free. There is a paid tier at $5a month.
You get a little bit morecontent, you get a slightly more
enhanced experience. There is apaid tier, but you do not have
to do that. You can become afree subscriber. And you'll get
(31:02):
notified every time I publishsomething new. You won't have to
cross your fingers and hope toGod that the algorithm will let
you see the next thing that Ipost.
You don't have to worry that theCatholic Adventurer just got de
platformed from one of thesocial networks, which TikTok is
shadow banning the living hellout of
Speaker 2 (31:21):
me right now, by the way, like, really bad. Really,
really bad. Really, really bad.I'm not gonna go
Speaker 1 (31:28):
through that whole story, but I'm I'm currently
shadow banned on TikTok. I knowthat I am. And I tell people I
was telling people in in just arecent live, let's say you're
really into what I do, but youonly get my stuff on Facebook or
Instagram, wherever you
Speaker 2 (31:45):
get it. And tomorrow, that
Speaker 1 (31:48):
social network cancels me. I have no way of
letting
Speaker 2 (31:52):
you know that. You have no way
Speaker 1 (31:54):
of figuring out where can I find his stuff next? You
have no way of figuring thatout. Because the only channel
you had to me was, let's justsay, Facebook or Instagram,
whatever. But on Substack,there's no such thing as shadow
banning. And even if heaven and
Speaker 2 (32:11):
earth collapse and Substack cancels my account,
Speaker 1 (32:17):
I still have the subscriber list because the the
publisher owns that. So I stillhave your emails. I can still
take you to another email listprovider and still send you an
email. Here's where you can findme next. So check it out.
Catholicadventurer.substack.comor check the link in my bio. And
(32:37):
don't forget to check out thelive sessions. There's only one
there right now, but I'm aprolific podcaster, so there's
not gonna be only one episode inthere for very long. Hello to
James and Jan Donovan justjoined me here on Substack.
They joined me actually a coupleminutes ago, but I was in the
middle of talking in a longsentence, I couldn't stop to say
hello, and so hello I'm sayingnow, and thank you. Alright. So
(33:01):
that's about gonna do it for me.We just for those of you just
joining me, I was just talkingabout Cardinal, Burke, asking
the Holy Father to loosen therestrictions on the traditional
Latin Mass. I talked about whatI think is really going on with
that, and I talked about mythoughts on the whole situation.
(33:24):
Okay? Now, this has been goingon for about a half hour, maybe
I'll maybe this will be episodetwo of of the live sessions.
This has been going I expectedto be doing this for like ten,
fifteen minutes. I was justgonna throw it up on social
media. But at this point, maybeI'll put it in the live
sessions.
I will also put it up onInstagram and TikTok, but I
(33:47):
don't think anybody's gonnawatch a half an hour anything on
those platforms. If you wouldrather check this out on a
proper podcast player that youcan pause, rewind, fast forward,
change the playback speed, playit in the background, and all
that stuff, that's why I have aseparate section for this for
(34:07):
this podcast, the live sessions.K? You can check it out over at
Substack. Alright, Gotta get outof here.
It's getting close to bedtime.Big daddy needs his beauty
sleep. You can tell that just bylooking at me. Ladies and
gentlemen, boys and girls,Catholics of all ages, I thank
(34:29):
you very much for joining metonight. Look for this on
demand.
I'll probably, may put it up onsocials, like, right away. I I I
don't know, but, you'll you'llsee it someplace. Look for this
on demand. Hello, Kaden. Thankyou for joining me here on,
Instagram.
God bless you. Look for thisbecause I think you're going to,
enjoy it. Catholic Adventuresigning out of here. God bless
(34:51):
you. God be with you all.
Have a good night, Instagram.Have a good night, Substack. God
bless you. Bye bye. That'samazing.
Just after that last goodbye,the song ends. I didn't even
practice that. That's not evenrehearsed. That's just that's
just natural. I'm just I justgot it like that.
(35:13):
Holy cow. Something else. Thehardest working man in all of
Catholic podcasting. Yes, sir.
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