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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the
Catholic Sobriety Podcast, the
go-to resource for women seekingto have a deeper understanding
of the role alcohol plays intheir lives, women who are
looking to drink less or not atall for any reason.
I am your host, christi Walker.
I'm a wife, mom and ajoy-filled Catholic, and I am
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the Catholic Sobriety Coach, andI am so glad you're here.
Hello and welcome.
Today I am sharing on thepodcast day one of my Made for
More workshop that I did lastweek.
I just thought it would begreat to put this out as a
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podcast and let you listen in onone of my workshops.
In this episode, I alsoreference three worksheets that
were included in the Made forMore workbook, and I will go
ahead and leave a link below.
You can grab those threeworksheets and follow along with
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the podcast and know, like, howto fill them out so that it
will benefit you.
They're very foundational andif you are looking to drink less
or not at all, this is where Ihave everyone start.
I use them in all of myprograms and I use them with my
one-on-one clients as well, so Iwant you to have access too,
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and if you have any questions,of course, you can always reach
out to me.
You can hit me up on Instagram,you could go to my website and
I would be happy to answer allof your questions.
Hello everyone, and welcome toMade for More 2025.
Today, we're talking aboutcuriosity, not shame.
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Let's learn how to be ascientist.
My main program is called theSacred Sobriety Lab, and I
called it a lab instead of acourse because of this exact
idea, this exact way that Iencourage my clients or other
women that I talk to or workwith to examine their drinking
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habits.
So how do we do that?
How do we be a scientist?
Well, there's five things thatyou will do when exploring your
drinking habits, and then I alsohave five things that you
should avoid while exploringyour drinking habits.
So the five things that youshould do when exploring your
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drinking habits are, first ofall, to observe patterns.
So, to do this, it's great tohave a journal.
That's why I created the SacredSobriety Journal that all of
you will have access to.
Those of you who are live willhave access to, but you can also
just use a notebook.
You can use the any just pagesthat I include in the workbook
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that you have.
I really like, I love these.
I get them.
It's just like a plain littlebook that I get on Amazon.
It looks like one of thosemoleskin journals that are
really expensive.
This one was less than $10 andit has like this nice elastic
that keeps it closed and it hasthis cool little ribbon that
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helps so that you know where youare.
But the best part is you canjust go back and look at where
you were, like, where youstarted, and how far you've come
.
This book or a little notebookor anything really will be so
beneficial for you.
You don't have to go through itand write like dear diary today
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, blah, blah, blah, just makebullet points.
I do encourage you to writedown your thoughts and feelings
because that will help you asyou plan for the future.
This is really going to behelpful as you observe those
patterns, because unless youobserve those patterns, because
unless you write them down, it'sreally going to be hard to look
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at what's happening and observethat.
So pay attention to when youdrink, why you drink, where you
drink, who you drink with, andthen notice trends like certain
triggers, factors in theenvironment and other things
that might lead you to drink.
It could be that it's just likea habit, right, you get the
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kids to bed, you go into thekitchen, you open a bottle of
wine and you pour it.
You go sit down on the couchand you watch your favorite show
or something, and it'ssomething that you just probably
don't think a lot about.
You just kind of like gothrough the motions of, like I
do this.
It's a well-worn habit path,but we're going to talk about
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how to make a new one.
You are going to be gatheringdata again notebook or anything
else that you can use to tracknot just the patterns but also
to see how much and how oftenyou're consuming.
Now, I know this can be scary.
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You might be tempted to notwant to write it all down, but I
encourage you to do so becauseif you can just keep track of it
and look at it, it will reallyhelp you as you reduce or
eliminate alcohol in the future.
And I'm like, yeah, and they'relike how many days a week?
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And I'm usually like five.
And then they ask how long?
And I'm like, oh, probably like45 to 60 minutes, and they're
like, great, but honestly Idon't always do that.
More often than not it's maybe30 minutes.
If I do exercise 30 to 45minutes.
So that is just one of thosethings where we just kind of
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like fudge it a little bit.
Or I kind of fudge it a littlebit, not on purpose really, but
it's just I'm not being reallyhonest with myself or my doctor
when that happens.
And maybe when you go to thedoctor they ask you how much do
you drink, how many alcoholicbeverages do you consume in a
week?
And maybe you're tempted.
Not, you're not trying to lieto them, but you just are maybe
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like kind of being conservativein what you say.
You're not really telling themhow much because, honestly,
maybe you don't even know,because you haven't really kept
track.
So track that, find out howmuch you're drinking, how it
affects you mentally andphysically.
So you're also going to want towrite that down.
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I always suggest writing downwhat you're feeling before you
drink, if you're choosing todrink, what you're feeling
before you drink, what you'refeeling during and what you feel
after.
And of course this is not goingto be something that's feasible
to do, like when you're at anevent or something, but you can
always go back later and thinkabout it Like what was it that
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prompted me to drink?
And then how did I feel after Itook that first drink?
How did I feel the morningafter?
And then that will give you areally good picture of what
would be most helpful goingforward.
Because I'm not going to, Ican't sit here and say, hey, you
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need to do X, y, z, you can'thave this, you don't do this, it
might not work for your life,it might not work for what your
goals are.
So that is something that,through coaching, we work
through and I help you kind ofget clarity about what's working
, what's not.
Maybe you start out thinking Ionly want to drink on the
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weekends, great.
And then you start drinking onthe weekends.
But then you realize that whenyou drink on the weekends it
kind of like goes into theweekday and you're having
trouble setting boundariesaround that.
So then we talk about that like, well, what can we do so that
you can keep that commitment?
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Maybe Friday, saturday, maybenot have any on Sunday, you know
just, we'll just talk about itand see what works.
And then that kind of leadsinto the next one ask questions.
So approach your habits like acurious scientist.
That's what we do a lot of incoaching, just asking questions
like what are you actuallyneeding when you drink?
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Because you're not needing thealcohol, right, but you are
needing something.
Are you needing to shut downyour brain?
Are you needing to relax?
Are you thinking that you needit to be social?
Just ask yourself thosequestions what am I actually
needing?
And then again, how do I feelbefore and after?
Actually, at the end of of thisof the workbook, on day three,
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I have a ton of questions thatyou can ask yourself after you
drink.
But you um, that can also helpyou come up with questions that
you can ask yourself, likebefore and during even.
But yeah, it's really reallyhelpful to just be curious, not
be shameful, not beatingyourself up.
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And yeah, just look at it likea scientist, seek insight.
So, if you can share whatyou're doing with others with a
friend, with your husband itwould be great.
But also take intoconsideration that they might be
able to offer you a perspectiveabout yourself or your drinking
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that you don't really seebecause you're on the inside and
they're on the outside lookingin.
So just maybe ask those peopleclosest to you.
Or, like a friend, a coach,your therapist if you have one,
you can ask, like in my SacredSobriety Lab.
We're going to have a communitythat kicks off on January 1st,
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so you can ask the women in thatcommunity what they see through
the questions you've beenasking, or the posts that you've
been making, or maybe whatyou've talked about in group
coaching.
What you should do whenexploring your drinking habits
is just to remain objective andI say this a lot and you'll hear
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me say it probably many, manymore times.
But look at your habits fromcuriosity.
So look at them as if it's afriend.
What would you say to a friendwho was going through what
you're going through right now?
Or can you look at what ishappening from a place of
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detachment?
Just try to detach emotion fromit and only look at the facts,
because that's what scientistsdo.
And I'm not saying that youremotions and feelings are not
valid or not important.
They are.
But when we're looking at thefacts, we're trying to just gain
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clarity about what's reallygoing on.
We need to just disassociatefrom the feelings in that moment
and just look at the facts.
What are those?
And then, yeah, so what shouldyou avoid?
Five things to avoid are makingassumptions.
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So don't just jump toconclusions about why you're
drinking.
Really ask yourself and look atthe evidence that has presented
itself.
Don't just focus on thenegatives, because there's going
to be so many positive changesthat you're making so many
positive steps forward that evenif you have a slip, it's okay,
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we can learn.
You can learn from that, right?
I say we because I work with myclients and then we both kind
of learn from what happened.
I ask questions and then we getto the bottom of what really
happened.
But if you only focus on thenegative, you're just going to
be really prone to want to beatyourself up, and that leads into
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the next one, which is blamingyourself.
So just what I mean by that isjust try to be so gentle with
yourself.
And you know, the world justoffers us comfort, right?
That's if you watch my video,my welcome video, you heard me
quote Pope Benedict XVI, andit's the world offers you
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comfort, but you are not madefor comfort.
You were made for greatness.
Comfort, you were made forgreatness.
So, of course, you're turningto this easy fix, this alcohol,
which actually turns out not tobe the easy fix, which we'll
talk about in just a minute, butit's just all around us, right?
It's in movies, it's in TV,it's in music, it's in
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commercials everywhere.
So just know that.
You know, and maybe it wasmodeled for you when you were
growing up.
So it's just about learning newthings and just kind of
managing your mindset aroundthat.
Yes, you do have the choicewhether to drink or not, but
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just please be kind and gentlewith yourself as you're
exploring and then don't ignoreyour progress.
Take a moment to see how wellyou're doing, write that down,
give yourself a pat on the backand celebrate those little wins,
because we don't just go to thegym and work out one time and
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build all these muscles, right.
But we can celebrate like Iwent to the gym today, I worked
out for 30 minutes and I camehome and I'm going to do it
again the next day, or I haveplans to do it the next day.
Let's say you get up the nextday and you don't do it Well,
that doesn't negate yourprogress, plans to do it the
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next day.
Let's say you get up the nextday and you don't do it Well,
that doesn't negate yourprogress, that doesn't negate
what you did before.
So celebrate those wins.
If you didn't go to the gym thatnext day, then you can ask
yourself why.
What was it that made it sothat you didn't go to the gym?
What were some of the thoughtsthat came up?
Go to the gym.
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What were some of the thoughtsthat came up?
How can we plan in the futureto help you get there next time?
So just use the gym as anexample, because the more you do
it, the more you build up yourmuscles, and so I always like to
tell people the more they getcurious and learn about their
drinking habits and use some ofthe tools that I'm going to
teach you today, the strongerthey're going to become.
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Stronger you are going tobecome in being able to not
drink or at least to resist theurge to drink, because you're
building your silver muscles.
And then the other thing isdon't avoid feedback.
So resist the urge to shut outfeedback from trusted people,
trusted people that you careabout.
That is not to say that, ifthey don't agree with your
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choice to drink less or not atall, that you should think like
oh well, they said that I don't,I shouldn't be doing this, or I
don't need to do this, orwhatever.
Oh well, they said that Ishouldn't be doing this or I
don't need to do this, orwhatever.
You can still listen to that.
But what you are going to gainin gaining clarity, in building
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your sober muscles, is aconfidence where you can say no
or not right now and be so proudof your choices and so sure of
yourself that you won't evenreally care what they think,
whether they agree with it ornot, and eventually people just
get used to it.
So one of the things that youknow we think when it comes to
alcohol is that alcohol is asolution and it's not a solution
.
It's actually a problem.
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But you are probably usingalcohol as your solution to cope
, to numb, to relax, to be lessanxious or less depressed, to be
less anxious or less depressed.
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But alcohol is actually like,let's take that irritant.
Let's say the irritant isanxiety.
So you have this irritantanxiety and you want to get rid
of that because you don't likethat feeling.
It's uncomfortable and insteadof doing some of the other
things that might be helpful foryou, it's so much easier your
brain is telling you, it's somuch easier just to go get a
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glass of wine, sit on the couchand just let it do its thing
Right.
So you're taking that irritantanxiety, and then by drinking
the alcohol.
So you're taking that irritantanxiety and then by drinking the
alcohol you're like packingsnow around it, right?
So imagine like a rock in themiddle and you're just packing
snow around it.
It's buffering.
It's buffering that irritant soit's not bothering you and it
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feels like it's working.
It feels like alcohol is thesolution to that problem.
But what happens is that snowmelts as soon as the buzz wears
off, or you wake up the nextmorning and you're left with
that irritant again.
Only this time it may have someshame and guilt packed in on it
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.
Or maybe you said something youwish you hadn't, or maybe you
made a phone call you wish youhadn't, or maybe your kids saw
you do something that you wishdidn't happen.
So that original irritant nowis even bigger.
And then what happens is thecycle continues because it's
called the shame cycle.
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So you go back to that drinkingso that then you can kind of
cover up all those feelingsagain.
What you really need are toolsand a plan to help you build
habits to endure.
If you watched my welcome video,you may remember that I said
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that I used to work in thejewelry industry.
I did for like 20 years and Ialways loved.
Well, I loved learning abouthow diamonds and gemstones were
formed.
I loved learning about how theywere extracted and polished and
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all of those things, but theone that I just thought was the
most interesting and beautifulis that of a pearl.
And a pearl is formed when anirritant makes its way into an
oyster or a shelled mollusk.
What happens is that irritantsin there, and so the oyster or
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whatever it is, won't feel itanymore.
It begins secreting what'scalled nacre, and nacre is this
liquid.
It's about the thickness oflike one swipe of nail polish,
right?
So it just keeps secreting thisnacre, over and over and over
again.
Now, as you might imagine, it isnot a fast process, you know,
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trying to build new habits, butit is a process where, as soon
as you start, you can build onthat.
So what you are going to bedoing is with tools, with
changes to your habits, withchanges to your lifestyle, with
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knowledge, with looking atthings in a different way and
also being uncomfortable youknow getting comfortable with
discomfort.
You are going to be building upthat pearl.
You're going to be building upthat treasure.
Now, the thing with the nacreon the pearl that's protecting
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the oyster from the irritant isthat that is not going to melt
away.
It's solid, it can be made intoa necklace or a ring or
earrings, whatever, and it'sjust this beautiful precious
stone.
The thing also, though, with apearl, is that it is fragile
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still.
It's not indestructible, andthat's the same thing.
With whatever level of sobrietythat you have, you still have
to be careful and you still haveto make sure that you are
taking steps to protect it, toprotect that treasure.
Because with a pearl, if itgets into certain chemicals, if
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it gets hit really hard, youknow it can be damaged and the
nacre can wear away.
So you want to protect yourpearl, your treasure, the same
way you would protect a realpearl.
You wouldn't put it nearcertain chemicals, you wouldn't
wear it in a swimming pool, orat least I hope you wouldn't.
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If you wear your pearls in aswimming pool or at least I hope
you wouldn't If you wear yourpearls in a swimming pool, don't
do that.
You wouldn't hit it with ahammer or do something where
it's going to get hit reallyhard.
The same is with your sobrietypearl You're just going to make
sure that you're settingboundaries with yourself and
with others so that you canprotect it, others so that you
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can protect it.
So one way that we startbuilding up that pearl is, first
of all, by finding your why, byknowing your why.
Why are you doing this?
So the first thing that I wantyou to think about is what is
your habit of alcohol costingyou?
Is it costing you time?
Is it costing you money,costing you relationships?
Is it costing you your mentalwellness, your physical health?
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Is it costing you peace?
Is it costing you peace?
Is it costing you your sleep?
And is it messing with yourmental clarity, like, are you
foggy?
So I want you to think aboutthose things as we move into the
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next exercise, because knowingyour why is what is going to
guide you along on your journey.
When you have an urge, whensomething comes up, you will be
able to stop and remember yourwhy, and then that will be so
powerful in helping you asyou're letting an urge go, which
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we're going to be talking abouttriggers and urges tomorrow.
So if you look in your workbook, you're going an urge go, which
we're gonna be talking abouttriggers and urges tomorrow.
So if you look in your workbook, you're gonna see two pages.
One of them is just kind of abrainstorming thing what has
prompted you to take action tomanage your drinking now so you
can find your why.
So keep in mind all thosethings that were on this slide
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time, money, relationships,mental wellness, physical health
, peace, sleep, mental clarityor anything else that I didn't
think about and just kind ofwrite about that brainstorm,
about that in relation to yourdrinking.
And then the next step is goingto be finding your deepest why.
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Sometimes you'll hear peoplesay, like, find that, why that
makes you cry.
So you're going to be justgetting down to the nitty gritty
, finding that why that reallymotivates you.
That's the deepest why motivateyou?
That's the deepest why.
So, just for an example, ifyou're using this sheet here,
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let's say your objective to quitdrinking is so that you'll lose
weight.
You could write that here theobjective is to reduce or
eliminate alcohol so that you'lllose weight.
So that you'll lose weight, thenext step is to ask yourself
why?
Why do you want to lose weight?
And then you will say so, whydo you want to lose weight?
So that I feel good in my ownbody?
Why so that I have energy?
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Why so that I can play with mykids on the floor?
Why you know and you just keepgoing and going and going until
you get to that why that isgoing to be a huge motivator for
you.
So definitely take some time todo this and it will be
beneficial for you.
It's not always an easy exercisefor people, so I just want to
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let you know that and take itslow and really think about it.
Also, invite the Lord into theprocess.
Whenever I get stuck doingsomething like this, ask the
Lord what he wants me to know orwhat his heart is for me in
this moment.
So if you get stuck, then trydoing that and see what happens.
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And then the next pages thatyou'll see are what does alcohol
give you, so a pro, and whatdoes alcohol take away.
So you can either print offthis paper, fold it in half, or
you can just take a piece ofcomputer paper that you have or
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any paper you have.
Just fold it in half.
On one side, write what doesalcohol give me, on the other
side, what does alcohol takeaway.
And the what does alcohol takeaway column will probably be
pretty easy for you after thewhy exercise.
But it may have even brought upsome other things that you
didn't think about.
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So go ahead and write thosedown and then in the pros column
.
You know it might be hard foryou to think of those things,
but just know that alcohol givesyou something or you wouldn't.
So for, let's say, for those ofus who are struggling with you
know, maybe it's a chemicalimbalance, maybe our
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neurotransmitters are a littleoff and we, or our blood sugars,
are off Alcohol we are usingalcohol to self-medicate.
Those of us with ADHD willoften turn to alcohol to
self-medicate.
So just realize that it'sgiving you something, and in
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writing down what that is, thatwill help you as you plan going
forward, especially as we startlooking at triggers and urges.
But pros can be, again, like Isaid, making you feel better,
helping you cope, making youjust feel a little bit more
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courageous in social situations.
Maybe it makes you feel part ofa community.
So, yeah, just write all thosedown and I think it would be
super, super helpful.
I know it will be because I dothis with pretty much all of my
clients and in every program Icreate it is in there.
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The next worksheet page the lastone for today is called Dear
Future Self.
You don't have to do this today.
You can do it at the end of thethree days.
You can do it whenever you want.
I really encourage you to writea letter to your future self,
and I'm going to go ahead andshare a future self letter with
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you.
I'm sharing it with permission,so just know that Hopefully
it'll inspire you as you startto write your own future self
letter.
I just think it's so beautifuland I'm so happy to share it
with you.
So here it is.
Dear future me, I'm writingthis to remind you why I'm
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starting this chapter.
I know that there's part of methat's nervous, even scared,
about what life will look likewithout alcohol.
It's been my crutch, my bestfriend, for so long.
Helps me unwind, helps me cope,helps me celebrate, helps me
not feel so lonely.
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But more often than not it'salso been a source of regret,
foggy mornings and feeling outof alignment with who I want to
be.
But you know that, don't you?
That's why I'm doing this forus.
I want you to feel proud whenyou look back at this letter.
I know it won't be easy.
There will be moments when theold habits call out, moments
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when the world seems too heavywithout the buffer of a drink to
numb it.
But I'm deciding today that weare worth the discomfort it
takes to grow.
I'm deciding that I don't wantto miss a moment of this
beautiful, messy, unpredictablelife because I'm too consumed by
something that doesn't serve me.
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I hope when you read this, youcan see how far you've come.
We've come.
I hope that you're waking upeach day with a clear mind and a
full heart.
No shame, no guilt, just peace.
I hope that you've rediscoveredthe joy in the little things a
morning coffee, a walk in thecrisp air, laughter that flows
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effortlessly.
I hope you're stronger, moregrounded and fully present in
the moments that matter most.
Remember the reasons why I'mhere writing to you.
It's because I want to feelmore connected to myself, to
others and, most of all, god.
I want to stop numbing andstart healing.
This isn't about being perfector fixing anything.
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It's about finding freedom,freedom to say yes to what truly
matters and no to what doesn't.
Now I'm not expecting this roadto be smooth, but I know that
we can handle it.
I've already decided to facethese hard days with grace and
the cravings with patience.
Those days will be proof thatwe are doing the work, building
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something real.
And when those doubts creep inwhen you are tempted to cave.
I want you to remember thismoment, remember the version of
me who believed in us so muchthat she started this.
If there's one thing I know,it's that we are so much
stronger than we give ourselvescredit for.
This isn't about turning myback on who we've been.
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It is about stepping into thewoman I know we can become.
She is strong, she is vibrant,she is alive.
I'm proud of you already andI'm excited to meet the future
us, the one who chose herselfover and over again with love
and so much hope, your past self.
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I hope that that letter inspiresyou.
I hope it inspires you not justin writing your own future self
letter, but in what could bewhat you can feel, what you can
do, because so often we thinkthat we can't do it.
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We tell ourselves all thesethings, we have limiting beliefs
.
But my hope is that in thesethree days you will gain the
tools you need to drink less ornot at all, so that you can
regain your control over alcoholand you can live in alcohol
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freedom, and you can live inalcohol freedom.
So I'm so excited because I'mrevamping my Sacred Sobriety Lab
.
I am completely redoing thecourse, part of it.
The course is self-guided, andthen again you get the group
coaching, weekly group coachingand a community where I will be
in that community as well asother people.
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Right now, if you sign upbefore December 31st, you get 24
months for the price of 12months.
So you get two years access toall of it.
So keep that in mind.
If you want to learn more aboutthe Sacred Sobriety Lab, go to
sacredsobrietylabcom.
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And, of course, you can ask meany questions you have.
But what you're learning hereis in the lab.
But we go so much deeper, somuch deeper.
So if you're looking for moreinformation, more accountability
, more support and you knowsomething that's a lot less
expensive than one-on-one groupcoaching or one-on-one coaching,
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it's a fantastic deal.
Now what if you do want to doone-on-one coaching?
Anybody who does one-on-onecoaching with me also gets
access to the lab, to the weeklygroup coaching and to the
community.
So there's that I am so excited.
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Tomorrow we are going to talkabout triggers and urges.
We're also going to talk aboutself-care as a holy work, and
I'm going to talk about somestress reduction tips and other
things that I know are going tobe super, super helpful for you,
especially because we are soclose to Christmas and I know
things are maybe a littlebonkers right now.
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It was a little crazy of me todo this workshop right before
Christmas, but at the same time,I'm like this is the perfect
time.
So there we go.
I look forward to talking toyou tomorrow, god bless.
Well, that does it for thisepisode of the Catholic Sobriety
Podcast.
I hope you enjoyed this episodeand I would invite you to share
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I am the Catholic SobrietyCoach, and if you would like to
learn how to work with me orlearn more about the coaching
that I offer, visit my website,thecatholicsobrietycoachcom.
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Follow me on Instagram at theCatholic Sobriety Coach.
I look forward to speaking toyou next time and remember I am
here for you.
I am praying for you.