Ep 15: Aubrey Marcus, Using Your Discernment & Gender Dynamics (pt 1)

This week, Love and Tylynn learned who Aubrey Marcus is, watched his podcast episode on "Radical Monogamy", saw too many TikToks on this topic, and decided to comment on the spiritual angle of it all...which then ended in the relationship and gender roles of it all 😂 Listen and weigh in with ur thoughts!

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Episode Transcript

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Hi and welcome to Source Sears. I'm love.
And I'm Thailand, we're 2 Los Angeles based witches who were
brought together by fate with one mission.
To translate wisdom from source and provide spiritual knowledge
for the collective. We're here to explore psychic
stories, pop culture predictions, trauma healing,

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ancient knowledge, astrology, tarot, and so much more.
Sorcerers is here to shine the spotlight on how the mystical
realms are interwoven into the very fabric of our everyday
lives. Hi everyone.
We were recording and then the audio was not recording so we

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restarted. OK so we are talking about
Aubrey Marcus today. He is, I guess, well known in
the spiritual community, but newto me.
If you're like in the spiritual community on TikTok, we've just
been seeing like a lot of peopleposting videos about his most
recent podcast episode. And so we decided to like, look

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him up and see what he's about. Thailand watched the most recent
podcast episode to get like somedeep context because she's a one
line in human design. And so she's down to get all the
research. And I'm not.
So yeah. So he is a famous or well known
spiritual lifestyle, kind of like person mentor.

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He has a podcast, he has his ownpodcast like production company.
He has best selling book. He got famous from being on the
Joe Rogan Experience, which talking about like plant
medicine. So he's a lot of red flags that
we wanted to talk about. And I know a lot of people are
talking about the, like, polyamory stuff that he is

(01:55):
actually talking about. But as spiritual practitioners,
we wanted to kind of address like the spiritual pieces that
he was referencing because he used them to, like, give
himself, like, permission to do this and introduce this concept
to his partner or partners at this point without really, like,

(02:20):
getting their input. Yeah.
Yeah, there's definitely a lot to unpack.
Yeah. Like you said I had never heard
of this man before but he was popping up all over my TikTok
with this and my initial reaction was oh like are they

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talking about a throuple dynamichere?
Because it's one man and two women.
But looking more into it, the women aren't actually together.
Like they're not bi. No, it's not like everyone in a
fun relationship. It's like I have this
relationship and I have this relationship and they're
separate. And the wife also has another

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relationship with the man outside.
Yeah, of their dynamic too, which is why it's so.
Which is polyamory. Yeah, it's, I was going to say,
it's so harmful that they were calling it radical monogamy when
it's not a form of monogamy thatis a very dangerous and harmful

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thing. And I think that's why, you
know, we as witches who work with archetypal energy, we work
with the frequency of Saturn to understand the boundaries, the
limitations, the constrictions, the structure of a dynamic,

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because that brings in a lot of reward when you have that
container, that sacred container.
And so calling something what it's not is extremely dangerous.
And, and I think there's nothingwrong with polyamory, right?
Like, I'm actually happy that more of these conversations are

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being brought into the collective, but it is important
to do it in a way that is in integrity.
Yeah, I think there's a lot of misconceptions, like the guy
that was talking about the polyamory that if you've seen
those TikTok clips that people are like cutting from the
podcast, Like he mentions that polyamory is like floating in
and out with like different random partners.

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And that can be one way to be polyamorous, but it is not the
only way. Just like there's no one way to
be in a monogamous relationship there.
There's people who don't have, you know, sexual relations,
There's people who have like a sugar daddy situation.
There's people who get married, there's people who don't want to

(04:51):
get married. Like there's all different types
of monogamy. And so there's all different
types of polyamory. And I think that, I don't know,
maybe he just has like some weird stigma around it and
that's why he wanted to call it something else, or he just
wanted to like create something new to like give himself
permission to do this. Thing this is not new, this has

(05:13):
been done. Since, well, I mean like the
radical monogamy term is like, he's like introducing this new
concept. So that gives him authority to
like speak on it however he wants and to define it however
he wants because he's claiming it came from like a psychic like
higher level being AKA Isis. He claims in the podcast that

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Isis like channeled through him and told him to do this, which
doesn't seem like the goddess Isis at all.
It was definitely raising concern for me, especially the
way that he described how it occurred, where he heard the

(05:59):
message. And he said something like his
heart felt like it sunk to his stomach.
And he had this quality of fuck,you know, and like feeling a
resistance to that message, which for me as a listener felt
like that was coming not from a deity or another energy, but

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from his egoic consciousness. Because true intuitive guidance,
true intuitive wisdom will nevermake your soul feel that way,
like your stomach, your heart issinking into your stomach and is
causing all this fear and anxiety.

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Intuition does not speak to us that way.
And that is why it is absolutelycrucial to have discernment.
And I'm not sure if the overuse of the plant medicine, and maybe
that's something else that we can discuss within this, 'cause
there's a lot to unpack there, is distorting the the actual

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true message. Because if that's something he
wants to do and that's coming from his own truth and
sovereignty, fuck yeah, go for it.
Right? Like live your life to its
fullest, but don't claim that it's from a deity or a goddess
or a higher power and then speakabout your intuition in that

(07:34):
way. Because I just feel like that's
harmful as someone in a positionof a spiritual authority, in a
position of a spiritual guide for the collective to discuss
intuition in that way. Yeah, yeah.
I think that, like that was a big red flag when I saw him
claiming that he was speaking toISIS or channeling ISIS, and

(07:59):
then he said she didn't reveal herself or say who she was.
I just like had a sense of knowing of who she was.
And while that is a psychic ability called clear cognizance
to just know things, when working with deities, we have to
really make sure that we're vetting our sources because

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there are trickster energies or deities even that will come in
and claim to be one thing. And then they're like, you know,
something else for some other agenda or something like that,
you know, like it's, it's very interesting.

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I've seen it actually as a psychic and a professional, like
I channel, I do this work for a living.
I'm full time. I've done this for years and
I've seen even in my own stuff like energies try and come in,
in a client's reading and I haveto use my discernment to be
like, what is this? And they say when you're working
with deities, you should always,always, always like, ask them

(09:02):
questions. Make sure that they know who
they say that they are. Like they will be able to answer
questions about their lore. They will be able to answer
questions about like what they rule over, what they're known
for, what pantheon. They're like all these different
things. And if you don't already
automatically like work with this deity like all of the time

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and you have like a devotional practice that you really are
solid and knowing this like it'sdefinitely a risk to not make
sure that the energy that you think that it is is real or not.
Like I feel like it was giving, Hey y'all, how come I'm not
seeing any of these comments? Like, what the heck?

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Oh, there they are. Hi.
Hello. And please feel free to to
comment. But yeah, I feel like it was
giving. Like I'm just trying to give my
ego permission to do this thing.Like, it wasn't feeling like
you're saying the discernment, the rootedness, the truth.
It was just kind of like, I feltthis thing and I wanted this

(10:10):
thing. And so like, I like our brain is
powerful, right? Like I've seen MTV True Life
when I was a kid where this woman wanted to be pregnant so
bad that she started to develop all of the symptoms of
pregnancy, including having a growing stomach without a, a
child birth, like just stating inside of her.
So it's like we know that our brain is powerful and if we
don't question our ego and spiritual work, we get into, you

(10:32):
know, stuff like this where it'slike, OK, like you're just,
you're just enabling yourself and you're just saying yes to
yourself. You're yes ending yourself to
get to the response that you want.
Well, real intuition is honestlya devotion.
It's a discipline to continue toshow up and have a practice that

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again is integrated in true rooted sovereignty and
authenticity. And it just is very concerning
to me as someone who is also a guide in the spiritual realms,
to see that being reflected backin a bigger way in the

(11:18):
collective. Yeah.
Because. Yeah.
Now there is a question of, OK, well, how can we cultivate
discernment? Yeah.
How can we trust our intuition? How do we trust the deities, the
guides, the energies that we aremeant to work with?
And then how do we know where the information is coming from?

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Yeah, which, to be honest, all of these questions are answered
throughout. Again, a discipline, A devotion
to your craft. A process, a ritual, a routine,
a knowing. Yeah.
Yes. Yeah, yeah.
I don't know, Like I'm always suspicious of men, period.

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I'm always suspicious of men in spiritual spaces that appear
like how Aubrey Marcus appears. He he appears similar to like
Joe Rogan, he appears similar toAndrew Tate and like his vibe or
his like aesthetics, the way he communicates, etcetera.
And I think it is important for,you know, male presenting people

(12:27):
to connect with other male presenting people or people who
claim to be, you know, like their that's their chosen
gender. Because yeah, we do want to heal
with people who are like us, whowe can understand, we resonate
with, etcetera. And I think that's why a lot of
these people get really popular,even though they're not actually
like sharing real grounded things.

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And they're in the case of agitate, like influencing men to
do really bad things. And so I do get that, like, this
guy is not like for me. And I'm not like judging his
like whole like setup and stuff.But a lot of what he was saying
is just, yeah, like you're saying it's it's it's raising

(13:11):
the alarms. Yeah.
So yeah. What else in the podcast you
were talking about? Like his partner not feeling
safe. Yeah.
So his wife was bringing up thisdiscussion around feeling as if
every partnership she's ever been in, there was a feeling of

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not being safe within that dynamic, not feeling safe and
anchored in that dynamic. So when he had first received
that message of ISIS saying impregnate both of them, it
brought up a lot of anger for her.
Like she kind of discusses it like it was a very an experience

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for her that like brought a lot of like the tears and the rage.
And yeah, I think that that is definitely something to unpack
because if we are entering into whether it is a monogamous
relationship, a radical monogamous relationship, a
polyamorous relationship, it is important to cultivate the

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safety. Which is why I was bringing in
that archetypal energy of Saturnto set the aligned and true
container for whatever that dynamic is actually meant to be,
so that all parties involved know exactly what is occurring
and what is happening. And I feel like when I was

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listening to her, it felt like she was in a shock state, like
her nervous system was rattled. Yeah, like a dysregulated state.
And then she also talked later about feeling as if the other
woman sort of healed this sisterhood wound because

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they're, again, they're not bisexual, which I was like, I'm
a little disappointed. I'm like, I thought we were
bringing the ruffle energy to the to the collective, but no,
they're, they're not together. The woman.
So she was talking about how their connection brought a
healing of the sisterhood wounding.

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So the way she was describing itis like, you know, the
competition with other women, the especially if they're both
going to have his baby. Like there was a a feeling of
her relearning that, oh, it's actually safe to have that

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connection to sisterhood and thesupport there, which I feel
like, to be honest, it felt veryforced.
It almost felt like because he wants it so bad.
Yeah, for sure. As the wife she wants to show up

(16:06):
and support. Yeah.
But it was also interesting hearing her talk about her other
dynamics because she's also in arelationship with another man.
And, you know, it's pretty much,I mean, a lot of times people
experience polyamory, want to gointo polyamory so that they can
have different outlets for maybedifferent interests.

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Right? Like the way she was discussing
it is Aubrey and the other woman, Alana, have a connection
with poetry, right? And she was saying like, oh,
I'll never be able to understandRumi.
Like, you could quote me so manythings about Rumi and I won't be
able to get it. Versus like the connection she
has with her other partner wherethey're so in tune with music.

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And that's something that I guess Aubrey will never be able
to understand. Something I found really weird,
though. Aubrey was like, oh, would you
be OK with your other, with yourwife, with your person, with
your partner, essentially like fucking another person.
And then he said something like the most I'm OK with is doggy

(17:16):
style and I but then the way. Like only one position is
allowed. Like that's why I was like, this
sounds really weird because. That's so specific.
Wait. He's like, I only want to
imagine my wife with another man.
If they're doing it that way, What the?
I thought that was so weird because I was like, OK, you're

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essentially saying that you're OK with her having another
partner, but you're not OK with a deeper intimacy, even though
the way that she's talking aboutit is they do have a deeper
intimacy. It kind of felt like delusional
on his part. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I think that that's why I feel like his his resistance

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to calling it polyamory, even though he's already in a
polyamorous relationship is kindof weird.
And I feel like that is kind of like showing where all of this
is coming from, where it's like it's less about actually having
polyamory and more about him fulfilling whatever this thing
is that he wants to do. Like from his ego.
Like he wants, he has this vision or desire or want to have

(18:28):
multiple children by multiple women and he wants it to be
like, you know, 2 relationships going on at the same time.
And I feel like, yeah, like how you're saying the wife is trying
to be a supportive partner. Like, OK, if you want this and
you've introduced this topic, I'm going to try and get on
board with it. I'm going to try and be OK with
it. And that's why, you know, above

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all else in any relationship, like both of the people have to
be consensually OK with this andgive consent to be OK with this.
And I feel like that's kind of where that was lacking was like,
it's what he his rules and what he wants.
And then the other people like involved are trying to like find

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their okayness with it to find their path through that they can
get on board with. And that's not a solid space to
like start from, you know, like,especially if your goal is to
have like a permanent child, like you have a child, you are
now linked together permanently for the rest of your life in
some way, shape or form. And so like, that's a big

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decision not to be taken lightlyto just say like, oh, I just
really want to see this happen. It's just kind of weird.
Like, I don't I wonder what the point of them making a whole
podcast episode about it was if they already have a polyamorous
relationship. Like if his wife is already in
another relationship with someone, then like, what's this
about? Also to your point of like the

(19:53):
polyamory, like how like you're with this person for this thing
and you're with this person for this thing.
I've seen that like in college Itook a psychology of sex and
gender class and we got to interview polyamorous couples
together. Like in front of the whole
class, they like volunteered to share their lifestyles and
there's various different types of polyamorous relationships.

(20:15):
And one of them was a married couple with a long term live in
boyfriend. So it was a throat bowl, but I
guess not really a throat bowl, but like the two men were
separate and then they just bothlike worked with the woman and
it was similar like that. Like she was like, oh, I have
things that I do with this guy and I have things that I do with
this guy. And that's kind of like the
vibe. I also just want to play devil's
advocate here. Your partner doesn't need to be

(20:37):
all of the things for you. Like that's codependency.
That's unhealthy to expect your partner to do all the things for
you and to get all of the thingsfor you.
And I think that polyamory can be one outlet for that.
Like if that's something you really crave or you're just like
you're into polyamory, but also like friends can be into poetry
with you and vibe over your poetry.

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Like my partner really likes like the show Top Gear, like
I've seen it. It's nothing crazy like his him
and his friend talk about it, you know, like he likes riding
bikes. Him and his friend ride bikes.
Like I don't need to ride the bikes with him.
I don't need to watch all the shows with him.
I don't need to like he loves records.

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I could hear less. I'll listen to it any format,
you know, like, I don't know, I just feel like it's kind of
weird if I feel like it gets weird when it feels isolating
where it's like I can't connect with my partner because we don't
have shared interests or something like that.
And I'm stuck here. I don't have an outlet for this

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and it feels like he's looking for the outlet just through
other people I don't know. I also feel like what you said
about the the codependency piece, yeah, feels like that is
a through line for just the way that Aubrey is operating with

(22:01):
Vailana, his wife. Like there is some level of that
codependency happening because she just wants the feeling that
I was receiving watching her, itmade my stomach hurt a little
bit. Like I just felt a little like.
Yeah, 'cause it's not her idea, she's just trying to like, find
her way in it. Yeah, and then also attempting

(22:24):
to create the feeling of safety with another man.
Yeah. So that she has that support
there. So it just feels like there is
that through line of the codependency wanting to to make
it work for what he wants. But you're right.
Like not everyone is meant to beeverything for you.

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Yeah. And that's not why we we love
people. Like that's not where like the
root. There's some couples that have
like 0 shit in common and they totally vibe.
Yeah. Like they're like, I don't need
you to be these things. I have my thing to do.
I like my alone time. I like my thing away from you.
Exactly. Yeah, yeah.

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I'm curious your thoughts on like the psychedelic stuff
because I have a lot of thoughtsabout this.
Yeah, well, I think that that just brings up a conversation
around how are we interacting with plant medicine again in a
way that is healthy, that is integrated.
And the way they describe it in the podcast is Aubrey and

(23:31):
Violana do a ceremony for a lot of their new partner.
And when we're working with substances, they quite literally
alter our state of consciousness.
Yeah, that is what they're they're meant to do.
And so it did feel like that ceremony was the IT sounded like

(23:58):
the catalyst for what is now their dynamic.
So there's that piece. It kind of started with perhaps,
maybe some of the distortions that can come through a
ceremony. Yeah, yeah.
Because when you do psychedelics, like you can
connect to psychic stuff and getpsychic information because it

(24:21):
opens up the part of your brain that like blocks it out or
thinks that you can't. But also we are deeply
connecting with our self and ourtruth and what we want.
And that like all being mangled together in like a hallucination
or something can be sometimes a little bit difficult to parse
out and understand. If you, which is what I think

(24:43):
you're getting to, if you don't have like a ritual or a routine
or a grounded practitioner or anintention is really the most
important thing, right? Like not just like like the
psychedelics that the spiritual community like has kind of the
new age spiritual community has Co opted is like really
revolutionary when ancient cultures have been using these

(25:05):
for like millennia. But like when you think about
just regular, when people are like, oh, I had like a bad
mushroom trip or something, right?
Like it's the same energy. Like what was the intention that
you had going into this? And that's what sets the tone
for how you experience it, right?

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So like, if your intention, whenyou're like, I had a bad
mushroom trip, like if you were just like arguing with your mom,
and then you get off the phone and then your friend's like, be
ready to take these mushrooms. Like, of course, yeah, you're
gonna have like a spicy trip because your energy that you
went into it was just like arguing or something, right?
That's what they say. Like, if you're not in a good
place, don't do these things. And that's why when you do

(25:46):
psychedelics, excuse me, properly, like you prepare your
body, you prepare your mind, youprepare your energy for
sometimes weeks before traditionally.
Yeah, that's why watching it, I just had this question of how
often does this man sit in ceremony because it sounded like
it was quite frequent. Yeah, I mean, he's been doing it

(26:08):
since 2011, or at least openly sharing about it since 2011.
Yeah, it sounded like it was, ina way, even a dependency to the
substances in the ceremony. So that's also something to be
aware of. And when you have that

(26:29):
intention, then it does create asacredness because you're not
overusing the substance. Yeah.
So. Yeah, yeah, because I worked, I
managed a spiritual store in LA and they hosted events and they
had people that did like psychedelics and stuff.
And we constantly would have people coming in asking, hey, do

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you know anyone you know that does Ayawaska that does this
kind of ceremony, whatever. And a lot of the time the people
that were curious about it, thatwould ask about it, it felt like
they were just trying to like skip the line.
Like I think with new age spirituality and like how
available and you know, like people are like marketing,
you're like Bali retreat with ayahuasca and shit like that.

(27:15):
Like, I think that people have destroyed a lot of the
sacredness that you're talking about, that we should approach
these things with these types ofjourneys with psychedelics
should be looked at as like big pieces that are huge and
important and should be thought about and not done like super,
super regularly unless you're like having some plan to do it,

(27:36):
you know, whatever for the next 6 months to like whatever.
And so I think like a lot of people try and just RIP the
Band-Aid off. They're like, I want to skip
like 10 steps ahead on my healing journey.
So I'm just going to do ayahuasca because I heard that
in ayahuasca you could get all of this stuff like out in the

(27:58):
open and it really purges out ofyou and it really becomes like
very transparent and in front ofyou and you see all the things
and you feel all the things. You have all these aha moments.
And so a lot of the people that would come into the store that
would ask about it, it was like,I don't know if you're ready,
dude. Like your, your energy sounds
like you don't want to do the work, you know, like, 'cause I
would ask some of them, like, why do you want to do this?
And they're like, oh, well, I just heard that like it can help

(28:19):
like jump start your spiritual journey or like it can help you
like heal past your blocks and your wounds.
And it's like it can help in in addition to actual grounded and
integrated work, right? Because when we're just doing

(28:41):
journeys without preparation andguidance in a very like, sacred
way, we're just getting a bunch of information and then we're
not integrating it. Yes, that is the key, the
integration, it's the intention piece, yeah, and then the
integration piece. And it is interesting the hype

(29:03):
around like especially ayahuasca, I am not really want
to talk on that subject because I personally don't feel drawn to
ayahuasca. I just I'm not drawn to it.
I maybe that will change if I'm listening to my soul, but
probably not. I don't know.

(29:23):
It's just not something that I feel like.
But you've done a lot of the spiritual work already without
it. Like you didn't need ayahuasca
to give you these aha moments and downloads.
You do like passive progression instead, you know?
So yeah, I think like, it can bereally useful and helpful for
people. But like, I even have AI do
holistic therapy and I have a client who did like a mushroom

(29:43):
journey and he got all these ahamoments.
But like, that was months ago and we're still unpacking in the
therapy together the things thathe experienced and he's still
making sense of those things when we do the therapy work
together, when we talk about theissues that he has that he's now
more aware of because of his journey, but it's not like

(30:06):
solving all of his issues, you know, So I've, I've had a lot of
people like talk about journeys and like he's still trying to
find the context of these things, my client.
And so like, I think like for him to do this journey and then
to be like this, this is what came out of it.
Like this is what I'm going to do, you know, Like, yeah, it

(30:27):
takes time to understand. Like, why did that come up?
Where did that come from? What does it mean?
Like that's. A discernment.
Just because I saw it like, do Iwant to do it, you know, And
maybe he like really does want to do it.
Maybe he does really want to like.
That's where I feel like he doeswant to, but it's coming from an
egoic place within him, not fromtrue spiritual guidance.

(30:50):
Yeah, that's my main red flag with him, to be honest.
Like just off the cuff, I'm really good at reading people's
energy just by looking at them. And I feel like the reason why
he gave me the red flag ick vibethat a lot of men in spiritual
spaces have is, is men have a very unique placement in our

(31:11):
society where they are empoweredand emboldened to trust in
themselves and to never questionthemselves, to always give
themselves permission. And other people around in the
world always give them permission because we exist in a
patriarchal society. So the experience of being a man
is very different. And I find that a lot of men in
spiritual spaces, what they understand is to trust yourself

(31:35):
and to trust your power. Oh, yes, Stephanie, there's this
spiritual man named Aubrey Marcus who came out with a
podcast episode that has been going viral on TikTok that we're
discussing. He basically is reintroducing
the idea of polyamory as radicalmonogamy and saying that in a

(31:55):
psychedelic trip, he's got a vision from ISIS that he should
impregnate two women at the sametime.
And so, yeah, we're discussing all of that.
But basically, I feel like a lotof men in spiritual spaces,
they, because of our society andhow it's set up, have had less

(32:16):
stuff to deal with, less trauma,less wounds, and they have
already an inherent piece of like, understanding and knowing
their power. And that's really what a lot of
men provide for as spiritual practitioners is showing other
people, whether it's other men or other women or whoever, how
to stand in their power and how to trust themselves and how to

(32:37):
validate themselves and give themselves permission, which is
very needed in our society. Because they often take on this
archetypal like divine masculinepiece, which like divine
masculine gives us like the, the, the permission to do these
things a lot of the time. But I feel like because of their

(32:57):
unique placement in society, if they haven't gone through
something that like teaches themhow to question their ego or to
use discernment, then they're often just like, like just
whatever thoughts they have hereand their ego and in their
brain, they just share it. And that's where you get people
like Andrew Tate that are like so confident and so

(33:18):
authoritative, but so harmful and perpetuating these harmful
ideologies. And I think it's just like
something to to just touch on and acknowledge that like he is
a man existing in a patriarchal society.
So this is like way easier for him to do and to to validate for

(33:38):
himself than say a female or a woman identifying person.
Yeah, because he says he pretty much refuses to have any kind of
relationship where there is deception.
So he's pretty much saying like,I can't be in in just a
monogamous one-on-one dynamic because I will eventually cheat

(34:02):
on you. That's kind of how I heard it,
yeah. I heard it, yeah.
I think a lot of men, they learncertain things and then they use
that to their advantage. I will not live in deception.
The amount of readings I've donefor women that talk about men
like this, that are like, I'm just gonna be honest with you
straight from the gate. I don't wanna be in a monogamous
relationship. Are you OK with that?

(34:22):
And then the woman is like, I have to like convince myself and
like, see if I'm OK with that and try it out, even though it's
not something I really want. And like, OK, I guess I'll try,
you know. So I think like, I think the ego
piece came through very strong psychically for me.
And I think if you're going to be a teacher or a practitioner,

(34:45):
being able to question your ego is very needed.
And again, a lot of men in our patriarchal society never learn
that skill because the patriarchy just enables men.
They yes. And they let them do whatever it
is that they want. And they never like, you know,
like any experience, like think about if you're dating a man,

(35:07):
like, what is the most common thing that we see?
It's like you decide you're not into this man.
What happens? You lie.
You say, oh, I'm I'm with someone else.
They're like, oh, you know, I'm so sorry.
Like, thank you. I don't, I can't date you.
I'm married. Like we we say all of these lies
to placate men's ego instead of just saying like, I don't like

(35:28):
you, I don't want to be with you, you're not interesting.
So I. Would probably.
Just say I don't placate men. I don't.
I don't 100% and I never will. Because I think it's like a
detriment to society to raise people to not be able to hear

(35:50):
opposing viewpoints, to disagreewith them, to reject them.
Like we should all be comfortable with these things.
Yeah, they're important. Yeah, which is why it's highly
concerning that he shut up all the comments.
Yes, he turned off the comments.He hasn't posted it on TikTok
yet. He's controlling the narrative,
which is a narcissistic tactic. Yes, and it's like if you're

(36:11):
gonna have a public podcast. And present this information
take. The publicly, like, allow people
to jump in on the conversation because what else are you doing?
You're just an echo chamber. You're just a dictator.
You just want people to listen to you and not say anything.
And I think that's the risk of when you put yourself out there
is that you might garner negative attention.
And I think that if you're prioritizing honesty in your

(36:35):
relationship, you should be ableto hear the honest feedback from
people on what you are sharing with the world.
And what like, he's technically like proposing like a new
ideology right in his mind. So when you propose new findings
in the scientific community, youlet your peers review it, and
you let your peers share. Well, it's not a new ideology,

(36:58):
it's an ancient, but the way he's like.
Hear me out. Radical monogamy.
And it's like, OK, so let's do the sounding board.
We're hearing you out. Let's share our thoughts.
You know, like I, I don't know. Yes, what you're expressing I in
my TikTok being blown up, saw somany videos of women sharing

(37:22):
that exact same sentiment. Yeah, because we're just seeing
right through the bullshit. Yeah, we see a man just doing
what men do, you know, just enabling themselves, empowering
themselves. I want to eat it too.
Finding some way yeah to to basically be able to fuck other
people without getting in trouble for it not.

(37:42):
Live in deception. The amount of men that what's
the opposite of rise to the occasion, sink to the floor.
Yeah. And like, just cop out.
They just are like, I'm not likethat.
And like, I just want to be honest with you.
Like, that's just not my vibe, blah, blah, blah.
It's like, OK, dude. Like you're just saying that
you're not a monogamist so that when you eventually do it with

(38:06):
someone else I won't get upset. Exactly.
Like, that's not actually valuing a partner and creating
intimacy and safety, and that's probably why his wife has to
look elsewhere for that. Yeah, but then also the way
again, the way that he expressed, like, would you be
comfortable with your person? Like I'm the most I'm

(38:27):
comfortable with is like doggy style.
It was just so weird the way he worded it.
Yeah, I'll have to find that clip somewhere for.
You and I've also seen that. So with.
A lot of like polyamory, like, you know, oh, I want polyamory.
I've seen that from a lot of mensaying they want polyamory in a
relationship. And then I'm trying to remember,
there was something where I saw this and it was like on TV, on

(38:49):
like reality TV and like everyone was like, bro, what the
fuck? They'll be like, I want
polyamory because the cheating argument, right?
And then when the woman's like, OK, So what are the terms for
the polyamory? And you know, because you have
to have like spoken and agreed upon terms in order for
polyamory to work structure, they make it super crazy.
They're like, I could have sex, but you can't.

(39:11):
And it's like what you're explaining to me is your ego
just simply wants to have sex with a bunch of people, but
cannot take that same exact agreement.
Your egos too fragile to think about someone else.
It's very possessive. It's like no one else can touch
you, but I get to touch whoever I want.
It's like a hierarchy. It's like that weird thing that

(39:34):
women have to deal with all the time of feeling like a second
class citizen where you have allthese rules placed upon you and
then men can do whatever they want.
And I think like a lot of women,they play along because they're,
they care and they want their partner to, you know, be happy
or whatever. But.
They're sacrificing their safety, and they do talk about
this in the episode that all of them have had to make

(39:55):
sacrifices. And I'm just sitting here
thinking like, is that the most aligned relationship dynamic?
If all of you feel like you're sacrificing so much.
Yeah, because relationships do take work.
And like, contrary to popular belief, polyamory takes more
work. The more people, the more work

(40:17):
to have a successful relationship.
It's not just people just like Willy nilly, but having the.
Way they were talking about it, like the way that they were
expressing the sacrifice piece also brought up red flags for me
because it's what you're saying with the work that's attorney
and quality. The work leads to the frequency

(40:38):
of a reward like the like. And they were all saying that
they're all experiencing the reward in that dynamic.
But it just felt to me like it was raising some concerns
around, again, someone as a spiritual leader creating this
conversation. And now we're getting into this

(41:04):
topic of relationships require sacrifice.
It's like how much of that sacrifice is in true alignment
with like all of their souls in the path of their souls versus
like, what it what are they forcing?
Yeah. Because that's how it felt
listening. Like it felt like there was a

(41:26):
lot of force and pressure, especially from his part.
Yeah, well, that's also a societal norm in relationship
dynamics. The woman has been taught to
sacrifice over and over and overagain.
Like, lots of women settle, lotsof women.
You know, the bar is just so lowfor men that, like, women are
like, well, at least he doesn't beat the shit out of me.

(41:48):
And it's like, that's the bar that he doesn't beat you.
Like, that's what makes him a good man.
Like, that's just basic human compassion and decency.
Like, that's not partnership, you know?
And so I think that a lot of like women are taught like, you
know, there's like a whole stigma, like if a man pays
attention to you and has interest in you, a lot of women

(42:09):
will just date that man make. Him.
Happy and they never even question like, do I actually
like this man or am I just doingthis because a man is showing me
attention? Like my aunt, I asked her like,
why'd you marry my uncle? And she was like, he was the
only man that paid attention to me and gave me the time of day.
And their relationship is not the healthiest relationship.
And they've been together for like over 30 years, right?

(42:30):
So I think it's just like a societal norm that is changing,
right? Like we are seeing a lot more
women, God bless y'all, standingup for themselves and saying
this is a non negotiable and I'mnot going to put up with this
type of treatment, which is whatwe need to shift in the
collective. But I think that that's a very
common norm that women have to sacrifice more than men in

(42:51):
relationships just because of how they're raised.
They're taught to do that. Women are taught to be in
service to other people, right? Like think about like toys when
you're a little girl. It's like doll, it's like
kitchen, it's house house. Like they're learning to take
care of others and put their needs first.
What is toys for boys, GI Joe, like Hot Wheels, like

(43:12):
Transformers, Nothing to have todo with them taking care of
another person or learning how to run a household at all.
It's just about what they're interested in.
And so I think like that norm, just because of just think about
how society was historically like women couldn't get a credit
card to like the 1970s or 80s, right?
Like women couldn't vote, women couldn't go to the doctor and

(43:35):
get a hysterectomy without theirhusband signing off, right?
So there's so much that historically, recently,
historically, women have just, that's the norm in the society
that we've all created and agreed to.
And so it makes sense why the women were saying like, I'm
like, you're feeling like they're sacrificing more than he
is. And it's also his idea.

(43:55):
So like, he's going to be into it and it's not their idea.
Yeah, yeah. That is an interesting point
though. The societal norm and standard
of the woman. Caretaking, nurturing.
Yeah. Because then we are thinking
about how can we nurture this relationship and that might not

(44:19):
be how the man is approaching. No, they're generally not
thinking about it that way. Yeah, because it's very obvious
that it is him getting his needsmet.
Yeah. And it's almost like she's like,
oh, like, well, now I can heal the sisterhood wound.
And. And she also was talking about
his wife was talking about how it's a doing this relationship

(44:44):
dynamic is a deeper path from God like her soul path.
And I it just felt like she was trying to convince herself.
Yeah, yeah, she's probably trying to find like reason to
buy in. Yeah, for sure.
Cuz it's like any, any idea like, you know, if my partner
was like, I want to move to Italy tomorrow, that's his idea.

(45:05):
I'm going to have to ponder it. I'm going to have to think, do I
want this? Is this something I'm interested
in? Like any idea is going to be
like that in a relationship. But generally, like you
negotiate and you talk about it together and you decide like, is
this something that we want together?
Right? Like I wanted to have a
polyamorous relationship when I first started dating my partner
and we've been together for 11 years.

(45:26):
And he was like, what episode onSource?
We're currently recording this episode on Source Seers.
But this Aubrey Marcus guy, Stephanie, he has it's Aubrey
Marcus's podcast. So if you look him up, it's the
most recent episode that's like it says polyamory in the title.

(45:47):
There's so many tik. Toks There's a lot of tik toks
been. Aubrey Marcus Controversy.
You'll see so many tick ups and a lot of them are spiritual
women, you know? Yeah, it's.
Mostly women being like what theF is this?
Yeah, like why is this happening?
Like. No goddess would ever tell you
this. Yeah, yeah.

(46:07):
And so it's like I I wanted to have a polyamorous with ship.
I brought it up to my partner and he was like, I don't really,
that's not something that I've ever thought about that I
wanted. But if you want this, I'm going
to try and, you know, be here for you.
And so again, similar like kind of reverse roles in the
situation. And we tried it out and I just

(46:29):
saw him like suffering. And I just saw him going through
it. And I was like, I don't want
this more than I want my relationship with my partner.
I value that way more than the potential of other people that I
don't even know yet, right? So I think, yeah, it is
important in relationships to think about like, how is this
affecting everyone? And how does this affect the
dynamic? And is this healthy?

(46:50):
And is this what we all want? Yeah.
Do you feel like a part of you is maybe missing something
because you're not having accessto that?
Or do you feel like the like love that you've built because
it is so strong, the bond that you have is more worth it than

(47:12):
leaving this part of yourself? Yeah, yeah, I think like I was,
we met in college, so and I havea Gemini Venus.
So I just was thinking like I'm young, I haven't had a lot of
partners. I want to be able to experience
other people, but I've found this relationship that's really
cool and I want, I don't want toleave that behind.

(47:34):
And so is there a way that I canhave both of those?
And I think that it took me a minute, actually, it took me a
couple years cuz I just had thisfeeling of like, I'm missing out
and I'm not getting, you know, the fulfillment or the
opportunity or the experiences that I want to have.
And as I started to like grow and mature, I realized like #1

(47:54):
if I'm honest with myself, I like, wouldn't be putting myself
out there as much if I was single.
Like I wasn't even go near a manand like, I'd be fine being
single also. Yeah.
And I mean, I'd probably like end up with a woman, but you
know, I am pansexual for those listening.

(48:16):
And I also realized like those experiences that I wanted to
have, I could just have them with my partner.
Like I could try different typesof sex and things with my
partner. Like he was open to that, you
know, for the most part. So like I, I don't feel like
something is missing cuz let me tell you, when we interviewed
those people in my college course about polyamory, that

(48:37):
shit sounded exhausting as fuck.Yeah, they had to schedule this
and schedule like that. That woman that that had the
live in boyfriend and the husband that lived in the same
home with her in separate bedrooms.
Like they had a schedule in the refrigerator about like what
night she would sleep in, who's bed and what day each person got
her for. Like, I don't know, I'm, I'm

(48:58):
barely like remembering to brushmy teeth like.
It is a lot. It's a lot.
Yes, healthy communication. Yeah, and like I'm, I'm, we were
both my partner and I were stilljust learning how to communicate
with each other. So like to add some other people
into that, I don't know, it just, it didn't feel right
because he wasn't into it, you know?

(49:20):
Like it just felt wrong because it was like it felt like I was
like cheating on him, you know, because I knew that he wasn't
something where he was like, I'mnot going to go out and date
other people. He was like, I'm fine with just
you, but I don't, I don't want to like you can date other
people, but I'm not going to. So it's like that's one sided,
you know? Yes.
Like it didn't feel equal. It didn't feel fair.
Yeah, yeah. And that's really important in

(49:43):
relationship dynamics for all ofthe parties involved to feel
like there is this through line of the fairness and the trust
piece. Like to be able to have that
level of honesty and trust. And yeah, it's really beautiful
that you were able to be like, you know what?

(50:05):
This doesn't make you feel safe,which is why it's raising a
concern listening to this episode.
Yeah, because the partner doesn't seem safe.
Exactly, Yeah. Yeah, it seems like she's like
trying to convince herself that she wants this or that she's OK
with this in some way, shape or form.
I don't know. Yeah.

(50:27):
So we'll see how all of this pans out, yeah.
What are your predictions? Well, I hope that they are able
to listen to all of the feedbackthat's kind of being put their
way from this and be able to come back with, I feel like

(50:49):
especially as a spiritual guide for for him to be able to come
back with honesty in I. Love that Stephanie.
Yeah. They're married, dude.
Yeah, they're so him and by Alana are married and their
other partner Alana is who they're bringing in for him to

(51:12):
impregnate both of them. But I do feel like it would be
helpful if he came back with divorce.
Yes, divorce does exist. I don't know.
I think this woman is pretty farin there.
That's what I'm saying. So I feel like he needs, I
guess, as a spiritual leader because he is putting all this

(51:36):
up on a platform. He really does need to address
what the collective is reflecting back to him around
discernment, truth, especially with the plant medicine and like
calling it what it is, it's polyamory.
It's not radical. You're doing any, I think, I
don't know, like I do think if you have a huge platform and you

(51:57):
are like a spiritual, like it's some kind of teacher in any kind
of way, like, yeah. And you're, you're putting your
stuff out on a public platform. You should be like prepared to
receive feedback and prepared toreceive comments, Especially
because the way he kind of like put that podcast out was like,
was like, hear me out, I'm introducing this new idea or
this new con. It was like, he was like, it's

(52:18):
not monogamy, it's not polyamory.
It's something else, right? Like that's the way he was like
selling and it was like, this isa psychic download that I
received that is like new and radical to me and like, wow,
like life altering. And so he should be listening to
the people that support him and pay him money or make him money.

(52:38):
And when they're like having feedback and like to turn off
the comments, probably because he was receiving a lot of like
negative comments from, I'm assuming other women saying to
divorce, like, yeah, it's, I don't know.
I feel like that again, leads back to the point of the ego
that we were talking about. Like you have to have, like I

(53:01):
said, you have to be OK with rejection.
You have to be OK with getting it wrong, with not having all
the answers as a teacher and as someone who's in a public eye
and in the platform. And you have to be OK with
admitting when you're wrong and taking up space in a, in a
grounded way. And that includes like holding
space for others so that they can share and that they can feel
like they're part of the conversation and hearing their

(53:25):
feedback, even if it's not what you're into and what you like,
believe in. Because like you, you put it on
a podcast, dude. Like you put it on the Internet.
Yeah, let people. Be that's screenshots.
The conversation, But I do feel like it is important for the
collective to be having these conversations around other

(53:49):
relationship structures that arenot just monogamy, because to
me, monogamy feels very rooted in patriarchy.
And what we were just talking about of like the, the, as a
young person, the, the little girls are like with our easy
bake ovens and our, our dolls and, and I, and it does feel

(54:12):
like it was something that they utilized to have like land
spaces like that. It doesn't feel like it is, if
we're really honest with our true nature as humans, it
doesn't really feel like it is the truest authentic path for

(54:38):
our expression. And it does.
But I also feel like it is a form of cultivating like safety
right in our nervous system having.
So there's a lot of like paradoxes even in what I just
said there. Cuz I feel like there's a lot to
unpack in, in how we connect andhow we relate and, and it yeah.

(55:03):
I mean, I just, it is important for people to feel like they're
their fullest expression like. I think what you're talking
about, it's like it's just this whole podcast an issue is
highlighting the larger issue ofrelationship dynamics in the
modern world. And we're seeing through the

(55:25):
sharing of his partners, how women are often not given an
equal seat at the table and how they've been societally raised
for generations to not feel likethey have an equal set a seat at
the table. And that's why like you're
saying like you don't think monogamy is the way and I think

(55:46):
the way that monogamy is set up or it might not be the truth,
but like. Yeah, it's a it feels like what
I'm saying is that it feels likeit's feeding into the system of
patriarchy. Yes, it that's what I'm saying.
The truth for some souls, but I think on a collective level is
it. Yeah.
Like what I was going to say is like the way that it is set up

(56:07):
currently or historically is nota win win for everyone in the
relationship, right? Like they've done studies that
I've read about that like men who are married tend to live
longer, they have longer, happier lives and they're
healthier, right? Because they have a woman taking
care of them and cooking for them, taking them to their

(56:29):
doctor's appointments, yelling at them to make a doctor's
appointment, whatever it is. And then on the flip side, women
who are in long term like marriages have higher levels of
depression and anxiety and suicide and health problems.
So it's like, even if you look at it just from like a
scientific medical standpoint, a, a relate, a current standard

(56:56):
heterosexual monogamous relationship is benefiting for
the man and not benefiting for the woman, Right.
Yeah. They've done studies exactly,
Stephanie, that single women tend to be happier and live
longer because they have less stress in their life.
And I wonder what that stress isfrom.
And This is why it's important to be able to question our egos,

(57:19):
which our society doesn't reallyraise men to do.
And that's why they get upset like when these conversations
are brought up because they're not practiced at receiving
information that is negative, quote UN quote or bad, quote UN
quote, or isn't what they want to hear, right.
So I think that's what you're, what we're seeing in this is

(57:40):
like really that larger conversation of the way that
heteronormative monogamy, monogamous relationships are set
up historically and now do not benefit.
What you're just what I just described from a medical
scientific standpoint is a parasitic relationship where one
host benefit, where the host doesn't benefit and the host
gets drained and the the organ, the parasitic Organism benefits

(58:04):
and takes all of the resources from the host.
That's literally like, and thosethings exist in the world,
right? Like that's a part of nature,
but. But they.
That's not the part I want to be.
In our society, like it's this magical fairy tale, like have
your big day, your white dress, your white cake.
But you get to have your one day, your one day where you're a

(58:28):
Princess, and then after that, you're Cinderella, the clock
strikes midnight, and you are back into a pumpkin.
Yeah, I think, I think like, yeah, that's why all these women
are speaking out, because they're seeing this and they're
like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

(58:49):
And even if that's not his intention or not his case or
whatever, it's triggering this in people because of, like you
said, the societal norms that people are seeing.
And they're like, wait, I don't,I don't like how this looks or
sounds or feels at all. Like all these women are getting
icky, weird feelings in their body and vibes in regards to
this podcast and the statements and sentiments that they're

(59:11):
sharing. So, yeah, I feel like, you know,
when you're in a relationship, it's sometimes hard to notice
those signs because we can just,our brain is designed to accept
things and to get normalized andused to them because we aren't
designed to live in the extremes.
So that's why people are like, why did you stay with your
abuser for so long? It's like you normalize it as a

(59:31):
way to survive. It's a survival mechanism
because if you woke up every dayand you were like,
psychologically traumatized and you were like, consciously,
like, my God, this is trauma. Like, it would be too much.
It would be too much on your nervous system.
So you find ways to like normalize the behavior so that
you don't have to like feel as triggered.
But that's what I'm saying aboutmonogamy being this like

(59:55):
normalized thing in our society when it really was rooted in
patriarchal. Energy.
Yeah, for sure. It definitely is.
Yeah, I. So I actually, I do feel like
it's good that the collective ishaving this conversation about
how can we have other types of unorthodox, which they really

(01:00:17):
shouldn't even be described as unorthodox because it's just
human nature, but just differentstyles of relating.
Yeah. But the question is, do all
parties involved feel anchored in safety?
Yeah, everyone has to be consenting, has to be OK with
it, has to feel good. Like it's it's it doesn't work.

(01:00:38):
Like in my example, it didn't work because both parties were
not into it. Yeah, You know, yeah.
And so I, I do think that it's like something it's it's
touching on this larger issue, right.
Like if you just look at the history of like how women have
been societally, like you don't have a job, you don't have
there. They make a woman dependent on a

(01:01:00):
man. They they tie her freedom, her
identity, her body to ownership,right?
That's why we have like marriages and that's why
divorces were demonized because it keeps you there.
It's literally like locking you and chaining you there and
saying like if you're unhappy you can't leave.
Instead of just being honest like I'm not happy.

(01:01:21):
Like let's all prioritize our happiness.
This is not working out. Yeah, yeah.
But honesty from a place again of like true authenticity, not
like, oh, I just don't want to live in deception because I just
feel that's again operating froman egoic form.

(01:01:41):
Yeah. Of honesty.
Did he share like in the psychedelic journey, like what
he saw and what he experienced? Like did he ask like Are you
sure? Or like how do I do this?
Or like anything like that? He said that it made his heart
really get dropped to his stomach and he just felt like

(01:02:02):
fuck and like didn't really knowwhat to do.
And it sounded like it created alot of anxiety for him.
Yeah, in his body. Sure.
And then he decided that he wanted to do that after feeling
all the anxiety. That's what I'm saying.
Like your intuition will never give you messages in that form.
That's just not the way that like real intuition operates.

(01:02:26):
Yes, sometimes our intuition will ask us to do things that
might scare us, right? Like the fear might be there,
but there's a big difference between the feeling of your
heart sinking to your stomach versus like your heart starting
to be of like, Oh yes, I feel the heart full towards this
thing. Even though there is a level of

(01:02:48):
maybe fear that is present, but that fear is there for your
soul's journey and this higher evolution of your soul.
Because it's something like, forinstance, teaching was a huge
thing that I felt a lot of fear around, a lot of resistance too.
And my guides kept saying like, it's time for you to step into

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your role as a teacher. Like I had a lot of fear and
resistance towards that, but it didn't make my heart sink to my
stomach. It made my heartbeat a little
bit more and I felt that like pull.
That's to me what true intuitiondoes.
It's it's you're regulated in your nervous system.

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There's a softness to your intuition, A gentleness, a love
to your intuition. I mean, everyone has a unique
intuition and so I don't want tojudge like whatever his signs
are, but for someone who claims to have done psychedelics often,
I'd be curious to know. Like, is this something that he
normally experiences as a yes sign for him?

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Does he normally experience thisin his regular psychic work that
isn't involved with psychedelics?
Like, is this like a tell for him that he normally experiences
and that's what his yes sign is in his body?
Because yeah, I do think chancesare it's not that common that
people experience it that way. I don't.

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Honestly, I don't think that that is the way intuition
operates. Yes, we all have a different
form of connecting with our intuition.
Like you might hear it. I don't really have clear
audience. I don't.
Hear like when something is trueI get chills.
Yeah. Which is still like a body
response and still like tied to like vestigial stuff, but it.
Doesn't give you a like fuck. Sensation.

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No. Well, was he saying like fuck
isn't like fuck? Yes.
No, like a fuck, like Oh my gosh, like jaw-dropping.
Maybe like, OK, so then it's like very egoic where it's like,
I saw that I'm supposed to do this, and then I was like, shit,
I'm supposed to do this. I have to step into this.
I mean, I don't know, Like, yeah, that is a weird response

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to have, I feel. I don't feel like that's true
authentic intuition. Yeah, it's.
Just not like you're going to feel regulated in your nervous
system when you have a continuedpractice with your intuition.
I'm gonna ask. Something just fell out.
What are we gonna ask? 02 things fell out.

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I was gonna ask if he connected to ISIS for real.
For real. No.
The Four of Cups and the five ofswords flew out.
So for those who want to see it on the live and those who want
to see it on the podcast, the four, the four of cups is like

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choosing what you're like, you're focusing on the wrong
things for emotional fulfillmentwhen their spirit is trying to
send you an answer. Like you can see like this cup
that's like floating behind thisguy that's meditating in my deck
of cards. It's like spirit is like, here's
this divine answer to what you're doing.
But what's in front of him is these other 3 cups.

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Very interesting. And then the other card is the
Five of Swords, which is sort oflike, I don't have a road map
and I'm trying to figure out like what action to take and
where I'm going. Which when we're asking about
did he actually connect with Isis, that's kind of indicating
a no, in my opinion, that he wasfocusing on whatever he wanted

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to focus on as opposed to letting the spiritual
information come in. And he was trying to find a way,
a path through to get whatever, wherever it is that he wants to
go, which I guess in this case would be to be able to be in a
relationship with these two women and have children with
them simultaneously. Yeah, it feels like a

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distraction energy, like a like because I can see this card
sometimes as sometimes we're notalways trusting our intuition.
So 4 of cups is, it's interesting, it relates to the
third decade of Cancer, which isa decade ruled by the moon and

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the moon is a natural ruler of Cancer.
But because this figure isn't noticing like the real truth,
this cup behind them, the opportunity behind them, it can
sometimes indicate distrust or pushing away of our intuition.
Sometimes it's intuition that's amplified because it is that
lunar energy to the Max, but to me this feels like it's a

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distraction tort to sort of Shields him from something
that's more related to his purpose like.
I asked if his wife is actually happy with this and I got the
artist reversed and the the ace of cups reversed.
She's not happy but cups suit ofcups is your emotion.

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Well, you could. Hear it in her voice.
She starts to cry on the podcast.
Yeah, well, crying doesn't mean you're unhappy necessarily.
In her voice. Like she's like, yeah, I'm sad
that this is happening. And like, I'm having to talk
about this and accept this because I'm married to this man.
Yeah. The artist is like, where are we
letting ourselves shine and our creativity?

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And that's not happening becauseit's reversed.
And the Ace of Cups, too, is like, new emotional patterns
wanting to arise. And it's like she's getting
trapped in this new emotional pattern, right?
Like, she's not, she's not beingable to express herself
actually, truly. Yeah, I'm, I'm curious.
Like, let's see, is is he rootedand grounded in his psychic

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practice, the 10 of Cups reversed?
Honestly, it's exactly what we were talking about.
He is enabling himself. He is giving himself permission
to have his emotional fulfillment that he wants.
He isn't listening and doing thesteps.

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And I feel like when people are very successful we automatically
like assume that they are right.Especially cuz the stuff he
writes about. People will give their trust to
a spiritual leader, which is whyit's very.
Concerning. Yeah, seeing that.
Yeah, like there's number one, he's a man.
And we're we're raised in our society to give authority to

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men. And then he is a New York Times
bestseller. So that already makes him seem
more credible as a source. But again, anyone can write a
book saying anything that they want.
And if they have a big enough platform, they can be a New York
Times bestseller. If they have enough money and
they buy their book enough times, they can be a bestseller.
Yeah, it's definitely not like it sucks that he has a really

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big platform. And he is.
I mean, I guess he was sort of being honest and inviting the
wife and having the conversationon air and being like
transparent about it. Like how he said he likes
honesty, but I wonder if he listens for the honesty in his
partner. You know, like how you're saying
when I heard what she was saying, I don't know if that's

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how she felt and and if she was into it, like is he listening
for that too? Right, Because honesty is a two
way St. Yeah.
And if you're asking for honestyfrom your partner like you, you
should number one, his partner should be able to express her
honest truth, and he should be, he should be asking for her
honesty, you know, in this. Yeah.

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And that's where it felt concerning is is she?
Is she being honest? And I just felt like the way
that she was communicating again, it just felt like she was
forcing herself to go along withthe dynamic.
Yeah. And.

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Very unfortunate, very common for women.
Yeah. Lots of women stay together for
the kids. Lots of women, oh don't do their
career because their husband doesn't want them making more
money. Like lots of women do this kind
of stuff where they're not actually, it's not their
happiness and their truth and they're we're just taught.
We're just taught you have to sacrifice your needs for

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everyone else. I.
Think, she said. She's never been like in a just
a monogamous relationship. She's never felt like a man has
just chosen her and her alone. Yeah.
And then for her husband to say I want someone else's, I don't
know, like I feel like sounds like he's not listening or
prioritizing his wife's feelingsin this matter, which one could

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argue on paper. In healthy communication, you're
supposed to listen to yourself and prioritize yourself and your
needs, and you're supposed to communicate that.
And then the other person does that as well.
But when you're in a relationship and you're married
and you know, this person long term, like, you should still be
able to like, understand and anticipate their needs.
And like, I don't know, like, I feel, you know what I'm saying?

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Where it feels like the kind of person that would like, throw
that in your face and be like, well, you could have said your
truth at any time, but you didn't, you know, And it's like,
but did you create a safe space for me to do that?
Yeah. When you know that my trauma and
my history is that I've never felt prioritized by men.
Or sometimes you just need time,like in my human design, right?
I have emotional authority and Idon't always know how I feel

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right in the moment. Like I don't have the gut.
Yeah, like it just take. Me like days sometimes I know
actually how I really feel aboutsomething.
Yeah, yeah, Everyone gets to their conclusions differently.
And some people don't know, so they try it like it's really
hard. And I think that if he was an

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actual, like, if he knew, like, I don't know if my partner was
her, you know, if, and she tellsme like, I've never felt
prioritized by a man and I've have all these wounds and this
trauma, I would be a little moregentle in approaching the
subject, even if it was my raw and honest truth.
Like, I would still be like, hey, I know that you have this

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going on here. And my partner had the same
thing. Like, he was like when I said I
wanted to be polyamorous, he waslike, am I not good enough for
you? You know, like, and he, his
previous ex was very toxic and made him feel like he wasn't
good enough for her. And so Josh?
'S reaction. Too.
Yeah, his self. Worth thing.
Yeah. And that's very common, you

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know, that It's like, why do youneed more people in this
equation to fulfill your needs? Like, is it about me?
Do I not fulfill your needs enough?
And it's like knowing she has a kind of similar kind of wound of
like, not feeling good enough tosatisfy a man and, like, be all
the priority of a man and take all of the space up and
attention for one person. Like, that just seems kind of

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rough to go through. Like, yeah, to, to, to, to face.
Well, I think that's how you cultivate the safety is through
the attention is through the adoration, through the time
spent together, the quality. Yeah, time.
Yeah, yeah, I think so. Yeah.
It's pretty, pretty rough out there for women.

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