305: Golfing Under the Lights at Shadow Creek, PGA's Says Farewell to Vegas, and Another Slow Play Rant

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What if golfing under the stars could transform Las Vegas into a night-time golfer’s paradise? This episode of the Chasing Daylight podcast explores that exciting possibility, along with the intriguing dynamics at play between PGA and LIV tour players. We kick things off by discussing the Crypto.com showdown at Shadow Creek and the surprising departure of the PGA Tour from Las Vegas after a 42-year tradition. Amidst the sports buzz in Vegas, we also share a lighthearted take on the Raiders’ rocky season and celebrate the Vegas Golden Knights’ winning streak, hinting at the exciting potential of a future NBA team joining the city's vibrant sports scene.

Our conversation takes an interesting turn as we recount the unique broadcast format of a recent golf tournament that left viewers scratching their heads. Rory McIlroy’s and Scottie Scheffler’s standout performances are front and center, while the evolving rivalry between Bryson DeChambeau and Brooks Koepka adds another layer of intrigue. We dive into the charm of Shadow Creek, the untapped potential of night golf, and how this could enhance the Las Vegas golf scene. Plus, we touch on the missed opportunities for courses like Angel Park to capitalize on this novel idea and the allure of playing iconic courses under the moonlight.

Finally, we tackle the age-old problem of slow play on the golf course with humor and a touch of frustration. From hilarious stories of grumpy marshals to creative suggestions like a “golfer’s license” for proper etiquette, we explore solutions to keep the game moving. We wrap up on a festive note, sharing warm holiday wishes and a few laughs over the infamous “Potty Putter” gift. As we sign off, we thank our listeners for their support, leaving them with a light-hearted reminder to embrace kindness and consider the thoughtfulness behind every gift this holiday season.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:22):
what is up everybody?
Welcome to another episode ofthe Chasing Daylight podcast.
Vegas Golf is in the news.
If you, or anybody or anyonethat follows the golf world,
vegas was center stage tonightas the Cryptocom showdown at
Shadow wrapped up about an hourand a half ago.

(00:44):
About what?
About an hour and a half ago?

Speaker 2 (00:46):
I don't know, yeah, about an hour and a half ago um,
so we're gonna be chattingabout that.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Uh, also in vegas golf news, the pga tour has
decided 42 years was a longenough run.
Uh, we're not going back tovegas.
We had feelings that was gonnahappen, but but that sucked.
That sucked, our boy HasherHack.
We'll have an update on thatand then maybe get into a slow

(01:15):
play rant.
I don't know.
I had in chipping and chattingearlier this week, I had a
little talk about an idea that Ihad that, you know, some people
liked it, some people didn't,but we'll see.
And then also, big news, we'lldo after the break, beautiful
golf courses and us, the CDP,are teaming up for a fantasy

(01:38):
golf league that you're going towant to find out about.
So stick around for that.
Other than that, you don't wantto make sure that we stick
around for that.
Other than that, uh, you know,want to make sure that we give
some love to the people whosupport us.
Uh, that is, uh, the golf stop,roars, golf las vegas golf
superstore and our friend scottrusso from unwritten law.
The intro we love it so how youfellas doing this evening doing

(02:01):
well.
Yeah, it's great fantasticfantastic, fantastic raiders
were on monday night football,and what a game.

Speaker 5 (02:10):
What a fucking game.
So good, oh, it was incredible.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
A 9, 15 shellacking at the end.

Speaker 5 (02:19):
Raiders are two and what two and twelve?
Fucking, just what a what afucking awesome.
Hey, they, they.
They said they pull out the win.
They're seventh on the boardfor the draft.
What 2-12?
Fucking, just what a fuckingawesome football team bro.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
They said they pull out the win.
They're seventh on the boardfor the draft Now third number
in the two spot.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
Yeah.
Yeah, it's a bit of a shit showdown there, but it's par for
the course.
You can say that for the last20, 25 years.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
You know what I see?
They're playing with heart andthey're trying.
They just don't have the toolsright now, just shit dude.

Speaker 5 (02:52):
Yeah, just shit, Well I mean you know it starts at
the top.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
You got a bad coach.
You got a bad quarterback.
You got a shit ton of injuries,so many injuries.
It's a bad product.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah.
And unfortunately, in the NFL.
When that happens, you don'twin games.
So Raiders are struggling.
The men's UNLV basketball teamis struggling.
They lost a heartbreakertonight, last second on the road
against the number 22 team inthe country.
That would have been a nice win.
But somebody tweeted earliertoday that the UNLV football

(03:23):
team number 22 team in thecountry.
That would have been a nice win.
But another somebody uh tweetedearlier today that the uh unlv
football team in back-to-backseasons has more wins than the
men's basketball team indecember.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
So, dude, that's so it's crazy when you think about
unlv sports, though, like theyused to be a force when it came
to basketball oh yeah bro, likeyou have no idea jeremy like
1990.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Bro, like you have no idea how I I love watching them
in 1990, I bet 18 000 peoplepacked in the team on tuesday
nights gucci row, I mean godrebel room fucking it was
crazyquet fucking short rib andbanquet chicken breast Just
flying.

Speaker 5 (04:08):
Just out of the banquet colanders.
Someday It'll come back, it wasglorious.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
It was absolutely glorious.

Speaker 5 (04:20):
Nothing lives forever , nope.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
We got the Knights on a hot run right now.
They're doing well.
I said earlier, you know, in mychipping and chatting tonight
or earlier today, you know thisis the hotbed of sports right
now.
We've got NFL team.
We've got NHL franchise thatwon the Stanley Cup.
The Aces have won multiplechampionships.

(04:46):
You got the Formula One withits second year, two NASCAR
races, two NHRA races, amarathon, the AAA baseball, aaa
hockey.
Now we got a basketballfacility that's being built.
So you know there's an NBA teamcoming.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
The A's are coming.
The best damn rodeo in theworld, yeah, the best damn rodeo
ever.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
The best damn rodeo in the world yeah, best rodeo,
rodeo in the world yeah, allkinds of we just had the super
bowl, we had conferencechampionships, the nfl draft, I
mean, there's so much going onand, uh, you know the pg we got
no golf looked that over andwent man, there's no reason for
us to be there.
Yeah, it's absolutely pathetic,I think.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
I think it will make a return and it.
You know how sometimes theychange it up a little bit later
in the year they can change theschedules.
We'll see Maybe maybe someonewill come through.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Maybe somebody actually went.
You know what?
Yeah, october is awesomeweather, but we can't have a pga
event in vegas in october.
We, we got to move this tospring, you know, and and get.

Speaker 5 (05:50):
I want to see him at fucking coyote, bro, like, like,
that's what I'm dying to see.
I want to see those guys atcoyote.
Yeah, I really do like, are it?
Am I wrong there?
Do you guys not want to see?
I do want to, for sure.
I mean, I know it's out there,right, but you know they can get
shuttled, but I would love tosee those guys play at Coyote

(06:13):
Springs.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
What makes it so appealing for you to want to see
them out there.

Speaker 5 (06:18):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
I know why, but people listening may not know
why.

Speaker 5 (06:21):
You can stretch it out to the length that they play
on PGA right.
They can play the length.
The greens are not easy.
It's not very forgiving, youknow, and it's a hidden gem that
a lot of people have no clueabout, like even like people

(06:41):
coming into town, they ask uswhat should we play?
You know, and for us, like weknow, coming into town, they ask
us what should we play?
You know, and for us, like weknow, the courses that they
should play, you know it used tobe um prim was always one that
we would suggest, but it's piute, boulder creek or coyote
springs.
Yep, I mean I'd love to seethem play boulder creek too, but
I don't think that has as muchcharacter as Coyote does.

(07:05):
And obviously, with Corn Fairygoing to Paiute, they ate that
shit up and I think maybe theywouldn't be able to eat Coyote
up as as much as the Corn Fairydid at Paiute.
I know it's out there, but youknow it's.
It's not an easy golf courseand I think it would provide a
great test to the best playersin the world and I would love to

(07:29):
see what they can do out theredan, what's kyle kyle shoot out
there if he plays it probably acouple under two to four under
probably yeah, well, it dependson pins.
You can like they can pins.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
He can do that.
They're not going to make himMitch's revenge pins they're
going to make him.

Speaker 5 (07:49):
I know that.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
I agree with you for the most part, Joe.
That's a good test.
The one thing about it is thatit's terrible to walk for guests
and stuff and they won't that Iwon't pick a golf course that
won't you know.
Get people out there well,black desert is not an easy walk
for spectators, that's true,that's true, but they do have

(08:16):
room out there to put upgrandstands and stuff.
Um, I don't know if they coulddo that at uh, on certain roles,
with all the empty house lots.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yeah, they could.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
I mean I'm sure they could but you know with all the
shrubbery that's yeah, but notonly that, but like, if you
think about the golf course,there's really not a lot of home
sites that are right on thegolf course.
You have all those shrubs andnasty rocks and then there.

Speaker 5 (08:39):
there's points where you pass under the bridge twice,
like there's two differentspots where you pass under the
bridge twice.
There's two different spotswhere you pass under the bridge
Am I wrong.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
There You're right.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
You can put concessions there, they would
have to have the clubhouse builtwhere it's supposed to be built
.

Speaker 5 (08:57):
Exactly On top of the ranch.
Not a fucking trailer.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Not a trailer.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
Hopefully in the future.
I would love to see them outthere.
I mean, I think that is thehardest golf course in our
vicinity.
Am I wrong there?

Speaker 1 (09:17):
I would be curious what's so high is rated now that
they've moved the fairways in.
You know that they've tightenedthat place up, just as I.

Speaker 5 (09:27):
I know it's shorter and it's, uh, a little bit more
forgiving than than coyote, butI well, when those, when the
coyote greens are quick, like Idon't think there's anything
harder, so I I would just Iwould love to see them out there
.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
I would love badlands maybe back in the day oh,
that's gone.

Speaker 5 (09:50):
I would just love to see them out there, I think.
I think it'd be really cool tosee those guys out there,
because they should get theskins game out there that'd be
really rad, that would be cool.
That would be cool yeah, so uhwell that's supposed to be
coming back, right yeah, they'resupposed to be yeah, so that'd

(10:10):
be great.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
I'd love it we'll uh keep our ears to the, you know,
ears to the ground, and if wehear something, I mean the
schedule's out.
So 2025, it's gone it.
You know there's no PGA Tourevent in Vegas this year.
Haven't seen the live scheduleyet, but based on the ads that I
saw during the showdown tonightcertainly looked like Vegas is

(10:36):
still in the mix, because therewas a lot of Vegas in that.
They still haven't released afull schedule for that Dan
shared earlier.
Earlier there was rumbling allover the place that uh, fox
sports and them, or with thelive, is about to uh have a deal
, which I mean it's got to bebetter than the cw.

Speaker 5 (10:57):
But that would help.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
It would help a little bit but my, my beef with
it is, you know, no, no matterthe product.
If the product is good, peopleare going to watch it, no matter
what it's on.
You know, the CW wasn't thereason why people weren't
watching it.
Yeah, true, in my opinion it'sbecause the product is just
trash Opinion.

Speaker 5 (11:21):
Opinion.
It also wasn't Faraday.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
It was great to hear Faraday on the broadcast tonight
, yeah yeah I mean people, Ithink is, I think I, I think
it's a scramble format.

Speaker 5 (11:32):
I think it's like players are playing different
holes and in different order,which is hard to put out there.
It's hard I mean when we wereon the grounds you don't know
how many holes are left.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
It got a little, you know, turn around where, and
especially because they mixedthe holes up for us, because
what we're used to and theyflipped it and it was just an
odd with that.
But I don't know, I just didn'tget, I just don't get the
product on tv.
I think it could be better, buthey, so, uh, jeremy's talked
with him a little bit before wehopped on here.

(12:06):
He, he saw a little bit of it,joe.
You saw some of it.
Dan, did you watch most of ittonight?
Yeah, I watched.
Uh, yeah, pretty much all of it,pretty much all of it all right
, good, so we got.
We have some decent feedbackhere.
Uh, we'll start with you, dan,since you you saw probably the
second most because I watched itfrom from the beginning, so I
don't know if you watch thewhole thing or not, but, uh,
what was your, what was youroverall thoughts of what took

(12:27):
place?

Speaker 4 (12:29):
um, I definitely liked a lot better than the uh,
last one with, like, gritsky andall that stuff.
Um, I mean, I, that was hard towatch.
Um, but when you have the topplayers in the world, especially
from the PGA, I'd say the toptwo players are probably Rory
and Scotty, and then arguablyfrom Liv, it's Brooks and him I

(12:52):
mean Rom's up there too.
But it was just good to see allthose guys back playing again.
It's crazy to see the evolutionof the Bryce and Brooksy feud,
that now they're pals and stuff.
So I thought it was good.
I thought it was.
I can't wait for the PGA to gettheir ass moving and get these

(13:17):
guys back on their one touragain so we can see them all
playing again.
But it was awesome.
The course looked great.
It looked tough.
The greens looked very hard.
Those guys had, yeah, thoseguys had a tough time stopping
that again.
But uh, it was, it was awesome.
The course looked great, lookedtough.
The greens look, uh, very hard.
Um, those guys had, yeah, thoseguys had a tough time stopping
that ball today.
But, um, as always, um, youknow, shadow creek is the
showcase and uh, it lookedreally good under the lights,
especially like right at uh,like that golden hour, because

(13:39):
you can see the sky and thethree.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
They're playing three and four.
Yeah, yeah, like oh yeah, yeah,that was.
Uh, that was looking real niceout there bryson's t shot on
four, almost landed on the threefairway.
He hit that so far left.
Yeah, it was, it was yeah, therewas definitely some wild shots
from those guys tonight frombryson and brooks yeah, uh, I
mean scott scotty and roryhandled him pretty easily I was

(14:04):
chatting with uh buddy nick atla at LA Golf and I was like
Rice is not doing a really goodjob of selling new gear for you
guys right now because hisputting was off and the new
driver he was spraying it.

Speaker 5 (14:19):
Yeah, I mean, do you think that's a thing where they
you know they're, they're good,right, Like they don't need to
win tournaments, Like do youthink that's an actual thing
where they don't grind as hardas the guys on PGA tour?

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Well, I think when you're making video content
playing from the forward teesand then spend.
You know.

Speaker 5 (14:41):
What about hitting over your house?

Speaker 1 (14:45):
I mean, you're hitting a shot over your house.
You know a wet shot over yourhouse, you know, I mean that's.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
That's not real golf, it's not competitive.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
He grinds, though I think I'm sure he does too he's
dude, he's a talent, it's yeah,I think a lot of it has to do
too with the fact that they doplay a more relaxed schedule.
Like you know, pga tour, youknow those guys are there's
significant tournaments whereyou can play in four or five
weeks in a row, six week spans.
They're not doing that at live,you know.

(15:11):
They're playing one week,taking three weeks off and going
back and playing another one.
You know.
So I think there's little gapsin in time where they they're
not as dialed or get a littlelazy.

Speaker 5 (15:21):
That's the thing.
It's easy to get out of thatgroove right, like if you're not
in the pga tour, like schedule,like you can go home for a week
or you play a tournament for aweek and then you're off for
four weeks and it's just like Ican chill, my bank account is
stacked like I don't have toworry about it.
And uh, that can be a casedepending on where you live.
Also, like if you're not, ifyou're not around players where

(15:44):
they're able to play money games, because a lot of these guys
play money games with a lot ofpeople that in the vicinity
where they live.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
So, and you got to think too.
You know, scotty just won worldhero, so he's still in form, in
competition, form over greatfield.
Rory just won the race to Dubaiagain.

Speaker 5 (16:07):
So you know, brooks and bryson, they've been hitting
shots over their house, so Ihaven't seen him play in long
like I don't even know yeah,yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
So I mean can't really be surprised by the
result yeah, no, and there was.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Surprisingly.
I was shocked.
Uh, I thought there would besome William Hill action on the
showdown but it wasn't on theboard.
Shout out.

Speaker 5 (16:28):
William Hill.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Shout out William Hill for not participating in
the farce.

Speaker 5 (16:35):
Were you going to bet on Rory and Scotty?

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 5 (16:38):
Okay, so they owe you $10 then yeah, $5 probably.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
You can't not bet on Scotty I mean, come on, it's the
one and two players in theworld, like you said, and
they've been playing golf.
Yeah, yeah, they've beenplaying.

Speaker 5 (16:52):
Honestly, I really thought I really thought brooks
and bryson were probably gonnawin, like I.
I don't know why I felt that,but I was incorrect yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Jeremy, what'd you think?

Speaker 2 (17:06):
I'm definitely buying a Reebok coat.
So that was that was thehighlight for me.
And the shoes definitely thedad shoes for sure, getting
those.
No, I, I, I didn't finish it.
I only watched the first sixholes, so I have a bunch to
watch still, but the course wasincredible.
It just makes you want to playthere even more.

(17:26):
I'm really trying to justifysetting aside some money every
month to throw down a shadow.
Yeah yeah, it was probably thebest the first six holes I
watched.
It's probably the best one ofthose things that I've watched
in a while.
I don't remember another onethat had me that interested.
So I'm excited to finish it.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Real golfers.
You know real golfers.
Thank you, please.
Let's see.
Westgate had it.
Pga was 160-ish all week.
All right, what's up WilliamHill?
What's up with that?

Speaker 4 (18:03):
Come on, Billy.
Yeah, yeah, joe, side note didyou guys see that they're
bringing back the Skins game?

Speaker 5 (18:12):
Yeah, they need to play Coyote Springs.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Oh, they need to have .
What is it?
Here it is.
We got some breaking news.
Uh.
Alessandro, chiming in oninstagram, talked with his gm
waiting for her reply andsolution for king of the green,
all right, so keep our fingerscrossed for that.

(18:36):
Any vgn members listening?

Speaker 5 (18:39):
shout out aj yes, thank you.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
he's helping facilitate the king of the green
at Popstroke and what we'regoing to do is, whoever we're
not going to have a smalllimited field.
As many VGN guys that want toshow up and participate in this,
we can, and Joe had a beautifulsuggestion Take the top 32
scores, you qualify for thetournament side of it and we'll

(19:04):
whittle it down from there.
So, uh, it won't be limited to32 players this time.
We can have 33 or 34.
so yeah, that'll be a good timeyeah, we're gonna do it on a
weeknight, uh, not weekend, uh,so we can kind of.
It's a little cooler out rightnow, but they got heaters out
there, they got amazing food,the bar is right there and

(19:27):
during the week it won't be ascrowded and so we can kind of,
you know, maybe take over thefacility and have a good time.

Speaker 5 (19:38):
I need Popstroke to like release a fucking season
pass.
They have one.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Unlimited play for $30 a month.

Speaker 5 (19:50):
a month oh okay, I didn't know that.
Yeah or aj, or ag, aj, aj, yeah, he's, aj, he's aj, let
everybody know what it is.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
I I may be underselling it.
I don't know if it was um yeah,what I mean?

Speaker 5 (20:04):
pop stroke is great.
I mean they should be a sponsorof the podcast, because we talk
about them all the time.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
I mean what a?

Speaker 5 (20:09):
fantastic facility, two courses.
You can go out there, play allthe time.
You play all day.
You pay like 30 bucks.
Fantastic food really greatbeer selections and if you got a
sweet tooth, get some ice creamReally good ice cream.
The nachos are bomb too.
It's the spot to be.
Cliff hasn't been yet,surprisingly, but you should go

(20:32):
check it out Cliff's busyplaying, checking off every
course he can.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
Cliff's playing every course at Pioneers right now.
He says fuck Pop Street.

Speaker 5 (20:43):
He did get in play tobacco, though it looks like
that that was that the firstcheckoff for tobacco, I think I
saw.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
So yeah, he played that today.

Speaker 5 (20:51):
He said it's a soul golfer seven.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
So clips my spirit animal what is a?

Speaker 5 (20:59):
a fantastic spirit animal, if you human as a spirit
animal joe.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
What did you?
What is, what is your thoughtson the showdown at shadow?

Speaker 5 (21:10):
I mean, I, I watched, I watched uh from 11 on.
Uh, kids were eating, so Icouldn't focus too much on it.
But, um, I just wanted, I justwanted to go play shadow creek,
because that's the one that Igotta check off, you know.
So it's.
It's a fantastic facility, golfcourse, and I have yet to play

(21:30):
it, and that that was my maintakeaway.
I want to go play shadow creek.
It'll happen one day.
I have no, I have no concernsthat I I won't get to play.
I know I'm gonna play it oneday.
However it happens, it willhappen one of these days.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
But, um, yeah, this make you want to play it more,
or you want to play it as wellyeah, equally as well.

Speaker 5 (21:53):
I mean, I would love to play it under the lights.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
That would be really cool a lot of people can't say
they've done it that way, youknow.

Speaker 5 (22:00):
Yeah, I mean dude Shadow Creek could do whatever
they want, right, like theycould open it up to all the
ballers of MGM Properties andthey could charge us $700 to go
play at night, you know, andwe'd probably pay it, you know.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Well, that's what I was thinking.
Uh, you know, they have these,these high rollers that come in
there and what, what do youthink?
How many requests do you thinkthey have gotten to?
What's it going to cost me toplay at night?
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, you got all these peoplewith this fu money that you

(22:43):
know there's only yeah only philand tiger, and now rory scotty
bryson well, phil tiger onlyplayed the 19th hole under the
lights, I know, but it was atnight, so I'm just I'm you know,
before I say, the only guysthat have played it at night
will have you know.
Heavy breather comments aboutuh hey, what about?
What about tiger?

Speaker 5 (23:03):
most of these people.
They'd have to be like, hey,you gotta install extra lights
in the trees because I'm notgonna find my ball, you know so
but do you think there'ssomebody out there that's going
all right?

Speaker 1 (23:16):
what's it gonna take for me to get my crew out there
to play at night?
Do they just do?

Speaker 5 (23:21):
they just say just say, I mean in the in the prime
months, like in spring and likeOctober, like there's people
that would love to do that andmaybe they make that a thing.
I mean, if they're going to doit for the match, they would
probably do it for a big whalein the casino, you know.
So I could really only see thatbeing a summertime thing.

(23:43):
I don't think they're gonnawant to be out there like
tonight.
No, no, oh, no not tonight, butlike, like, like april to
october, sure dude, I would, Iwould love to.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
I would love to see piute go okay.
2025.
From june 1st to July 15th, theWolf course is night golf only
and we have it lit up and it'snormally 125.
During the day, it's 225, orsorry, let me rephrase that it's
normally $300 in the day, it's375 to play at night.

Speaker 5 (24:20):
Well, any course in Las Vegas that doesn't see this
tonight and realize there's ahuge opportunity for them to put
out night golf is absolutelyfucking crazy.
You could do it anywhere in LasVegas.
You could do it at Angel Park,you could do it at Desert Pines
Valley High, wherever.
I think that courses withhouses won't be.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
I don't yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
You couldn't do it at Revere, you couldn't do it at
Legacy.

Speaker 5 (24:43):
I know they wouldn't let you want you't do it at
Revere, you couldn't do it atLegacy.
I know they wouldn't let youwant you to do it, but any
course that doesn't see this andtry and capitalize this on this
opportunity is absolutelyinsane.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Did you know that Wild Horse has lights at the
range For a long?

Speaker 5 (24:56):
time yes.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Wild Horse has lights at the range.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
Yeah, they don't turn them on.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
No, do you know why?

Speaker 5 (25:04):
Darden said he could, he could put the.
Darden said he could light upthe entire course if he wanted
us to.
Yeah, back in the day.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah, I think if Wild Horse could get the word out
that they have a night range,they would kill it.
Oh yeah, they said they used toand that nobody knew it was
open, because it's so dark andit's so far off the street
nobody could see it.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
What did that last post say?
The last comment you cantransfer what?

Speaker 1 (25:35):
You can transfer $30,000 into your bank account
and play shadow creek, yeahmarriott points takes three
hundred dollars off the shadowprice record bonus so you can
get the mario points I look atcliff finding ways, finding ways
, cliff finds a lot of waysthat's the points guy, I think

(25:58):
he's, he's the point he's got alot of points.
He's got more well, yeah, Imean, if he started a youtube
he'd probably have a lot of.

Speaker 5 (26:05):
he'd probably give me a lot of money if he just had a
youtube.
That's the only one I gottacheck out.
But but what I'm saying is is,from what happened tonight, any
course in Vegas that canreplicate that would prosper.
That's all I'm saying, becausethere is a market that is

(26:25):
unfulfilled in Las Vegas and acourse in Vegas should
capitalize on that opportunity.
That's all I'm saying.
I don't care where it isthere's houses If there's where
it is, there's houses if there'swherever it is.
People want to play golf atnight, especially during the
summer, because it's too hotduring the day you know we got
cloud nine, but cloud ninedoesn't fill the the void that

(26:49):
you want.
If somebody can figure it out,they would make.
I mean, it might take a fewyears for them to recoup their
investment, but it will happen,that's all.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
I'm saying.
The question is though whyhasn't it?

Speaker 5 (27:06):
Yeah, and Hesherhack says I'm shocked with the heat.
Night golf isn't already athing in Vegas?

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Phoenix too.

Speaker 5 (27:13):
All we have is a lit-up par 3.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
There's a couple lit up ranges at night in phoenix,
but I don't.
If I'm correct, I don't thinkthere's a 18 hole course that's
lit up grass and grass clippings

Speaker 5 (27:26):
yeah grass clippings, yeah, grass clippings is the
first one and that opened lastyear okay, so it's relatively
new yeah, so did las vegas golfcenter close clothes, or it's
their sign says clothes forrepairs.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
But I heard something about the land that they're on
was purchased a couple differentrumors are swirling uh, that it
was part of the airportexpansion and the airport now
has the rights to the land.
Other reports are that it'sgoing under new management, the
old owners have let it go and anew company is coming in to take

(28:00):
it over.
But I haven't got confirmationfrom any of that.

Speaker 4 (28:07):
Yeah, that's what I heard too, Matt.
I heard the same thing.
It's going to stay a golfcourse.
It's just going to go throughsome rebranding.

Speaker 5 (28:12):
Yeah, okay, shout out , mike Lindecky, we go through
some rebranding.
Yeah, okay, shout out, mikelindeckey, we know who that is.
But we've been saying this foryears.
Yeah, we've been saying thisfor years.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
It's it'd be so no-brainer for them no

Speaker 5 (28:24):
brainer?

Speaker 1 (28:25):
absolutely no brainer I think maybe the only.

Speaker 5 (28:29):
Thing that's geez.
Shout out wisconsin cheese.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Maybe the only thing preventing that from happening
is the airport not wantinglights up there, because I can't
imagine why they would not haveat least had nine holes.
Let's just do the nine on theinside, forget the outside.
They would kill it, they wouldmurder it, they would absolutely

(28:53):
kill it, kill it.
They could get that $ 250 outof town rate for nine holes all
night long, yeah, all night,yeah, all night, all night, all
night.
Oh hey, look, got some uhyoutube royalty dude the friends

(29:16):
on the Verde in the house.

Speaker 5 (29:18):
Friends on the Verde.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
That's hilarious.
Trey was out on Saturday and,yeah, did the three-hole Luxor
loop, and we got a lot of video.
Did the three hole Luxor loop?
Um and uh, we got a lot ofvideo.
I've been sharing some of thosestories and and reels on our
YouTube page and on Instagram,so there's some good stuff out

(29:44):
there.
Uh, we'll, we'll chat about thepace of play and a little bit
out there.
But hey, while while uh, heshis in here, let's let me bring
this up and we'll have our youknow ode to the hack for his.
Make sure it's on the rightthing.

(30:06):
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do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do,do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do.
There it is.
You can see that last week wehad him up to 104 and then all
of a sudden it stopped.
That's because this happened.

Speaker 5 (30:24):
Is he playing Pine Valley now?
You've got to hook me upVirtual hole-in-one Virtual
hole-in-one.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
To be continued.
You've got the virtualhole-in-one, virtual hole-in-one
, to be continued.
So you know, you got thevirtual, still got to get the
real one.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Job's not done.
Looks like the Lujanac a littlebit.
Job's not done, Damn I didn'tsee that.

Speaker 5 (30:46):
Congrats.
Congrats on the virtual.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Yes, yes.
So making his way to a realgolf course soon, as soon as
weather permits, so keep an eyeon.

Speaker 5 (31:00):
I saw him playing in the snow the other day.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
So yeah, a little foot slippage, yeah Too funny.

Speaker 5 (31:10):
All right.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
So I'll let you guys know what I thought about the
showdown.
I think a lot of people expectthese things to be an
entertainment.
You know they.
They want the entertainment andunfortunately there's just not
characters in the game Likethere used to be.
You know, payne Stewart was agreat chatter and, and you know,

(31:33):
john Daly and all these guys.
It's just, that's just not theway it is anymore.
These guys like to showcasetheir talents on the course.
They're really not into theshucking and jiving and hamming
it up.
Tnt Charles Barkley he was goodtonight.
They didn't go totally offscript and have some weird-ass

(31:54):
person that nobody knew outthere reporting on it.
Bubba Watson, I thought, waswondering why he was there and
holding a microphone.
Like what am I doing?
Why Colt Nose wasn't there isbeyond me.
That's a big miss, for I thinkthe television aspects of it

(32:19):
miss, for I think the televisionaspects of it.
To Faraday, I think he was justtrying to get in as many live
tidbits as he could.
Trevor Illman didn't really seemlike he cared, but there was
some really good golf beingplayed on, you know, one of the
more exclusive courses in thecountry, uh, as I was tweeting.
Or on x, uh, going, you knowdoing posting as much as I could

(32:42):
, seeing what a lot of peoplewere talking about and how they
they think that shadow somebodysaid a lot of empty calories was
the word they used.
That, you know it's.
It's a lot of a lot of hype,but it's just basic golf which
used that.
You know it's it's a lot of alot of hype, but it's just basic
golf, which I don't know howyou can say that If you've been

(33:02):
on the golf course it'sabsolutely spectacular.
Yeah, it's more of atraditional style, fazio, but
you have to look at what theydid and where they did it, and
that is what makes shadowspecial.
I really wish they could havetaken a little bit more time
during the down times instead ofhaving dead air or bubble
watson, you know talking for noreason.

(33:24):
Show what actually took placeat shadow creek, you know.
Go back to some of the oldfootage show all the dirt that
they moved and and show you knowwhat it went from to what it is
now and maybe have people go.
Wow, you know some people do.
I mean, you see a lot of peoplepost the photos from 2000 where

(33:47):
it's, you know, north las vegas, with nothing around it but
this green patch that doesn'ttell the story.
You know, um, they could havedone a steve win interview, they
could have had a faziointerview, they could have had
so many different ways to bringin you know they.
All they did was hype up theconditions and how pure it was.
Well, let's get thegreenskeeper on there and you

(34:08):
know the head superintendent,and let's let's talk to him and
hey, what's it?
like for you guys to maintainthis.

Speaker 5 (34:23):
You know, I think that's a big, massive part of
what's missing in golftelevision nowadays, like the
aspect of what has been and whathas been, if you will, where we
have been and where we will bewhat has been.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
Sound like Kamala right now.
That's what I was trying to do.

Speaker 5 (34:43):
You guys can catch it really quick.
But what I'm saying is is likecreate the story, like tell the
story of where we are now, liketell the story of where we are
now, and you know, and I think,for these things, like they
could really travel.

(35:04):
If they really want to blowthese up, like bring in I would.
That's what I was trying to do,guys, if you know.
But like, bring in the YouTubegolfers, like for something like
this, like I don't, I don'tcare to hear them, but if
they're, if, if it really istrying to blow it up and trying
to bring these guys in I don'tknow, mark.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
I disagree with that.
I know a lot of people thatwere watching that have no idea
about shadow creek.
They just know that it'sexpensive and it's in vegas yeah
, I.

Speaker 5 (35:31):
So for anybody that doesn't know about shadow creek,
like the a lot of people thatare watching to have no idea
that was a flat piece of fuckingdesert.
You know, and if you've everbeen on property and you know
the las vegas landscape andyou've walked, that I mean the
first time I was there I waslike how the fuck did they do

(35:53):
this?
How the fuck did fazio buildthis hole?
Because I mean, I hope thatthere was cameras on site when
they were building it, because Iwould love to see that footage,
because there's some uh, whatis it?
number one is it two, two, twodips way down, like you saw them

(36:14):
walking up the hill after theyhit the tee shots.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
You saw them walking up that hill, but they didn't
show the descent and you reallycouldn't see the difference
between the one green and thatlow point on two.
It's insane, it's in fuckingsane.

Speaker 5 (36:28):
It's in fucking sane.
It was a flat desert and thisthing goes down 50, 60 feet.
It goes, it dips, like there isin front of the green.
It goes down 50, 60 feet and ifyou know the las vegas
landscape, like that was notthere and what fazio did on,
like that hole, specificallythat's the one that sticks out

(36:49):
to me and even, what is it?
Uh, two, three, four, five, isthat the one with the tree, the
single tree?
Yeah, I mean it's.
It's absolutely incredible.
I mean I know it's fabricated,the hell was that it?
was the gong oh okay, the thegolf was not there right like
not.
Like you know, band in the golfwas kind of there like it's not

(37:13):
saint andrews and the goatswere out there fucking clipping
the grass.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
But robbie said, without shadow it would have
been off by the alternate shot.

Speaker 5 (37:22):
Yeah, I don't know, I don't know, but I would, but I
agree with you I'm gonna closeup, matt.
I agree with you.
I think they should go intoarchival footage and trying to
create the story of what hastaken place in that land, and
because that's the shit I love,just that's some of the stuff
that they could do in thedowntime you know, it's not
necessarily let's turn this intoa 30 minute segment on how

(37:43):
awesome fazio did.
But no, I mean there's tell astory, that's all it is.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Tell a fucking story and and you know, show the show
the locker room and show youknow some of the history of the
place

Speaker 5 (37:57):
yeah, there's so many cool things that you show how
many new eras they have in thepro shop.
But I I enjoyed watching boriswas there tonight yeah, he's
listening, yeah he said it wasvery cool I uh because of the
the Bryson's jacket.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Um, oh yeah, I lost my train of thought.
Sorry, oh four was jaw dropping.
Yeah, it's so it's so good it's.
I mean, it's just spectacularout there.
So, but I, I, I risk, I likeseeing the best players playing
golf.
You know, yes, uh, I reallyliked it because it was shadow

(38:39):
creek, but I mean, if you know,this was done somewhere else.
I mean they did it under thelights, the last one, but it was
this.
It was the gimmicky shit.
I, I like seeing real golfersplaying a real golf course.
You know, with with some, youknow bragging rights at least.
You know, with with some youknow bragging rights at least.
You know at least now Rory andthose guys can say, hey, we

(38:59):
whooped their ass and you know,then tell it happens again.
That's, that's the shit thatgets to get talked.
I, you know it's.
It's hard to be have a TVproduct like this.
When you have, you know, asmall group playing one hole at
a time, it's much easier.
When you have, you know, asmall group playing one hole at
a time, it's much easier whenyou have, you know, 10 groups on
the course and you can switchback and forth the different

(39:19):
shots being taken place.
So there's a lot of filler andyou have to have a lot of filler
and unfortunately, I don'tthink the people they had on the
broadcast tonight were theright people to fill those spots
, so they should have done itabout it some other way but
we'll see.

Speaker 5 (39:33):
We'll see, hire us, we'll be there we can talk about
it we talked about how this wasa flat piece of desert and how
fazio killed it, you know itwould have been awesome if they
could have.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
You know hired us yeah, had some people.
Yeah, that too.
If they would have had somepeople to talk about the place a
little bit more.
I mean, we it's not like it'snecessary, but just to add to
the entertainment.
I was there to watch the golfand it happened to be taking
place at Shadow, so I was alittle bit more intrigued.
Which being crushed.

(40:06):
Alright, let's do ourcommercial break and then we
will be right back.

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Speaker 1 (40:46):
All right, you guys got all your Christmas shopping
done.

Speaker 5 (40:50):
Nope.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
No Sort of.

Speaker 5 (40:57):
What are you waiting for?
Joe Time, this guy.
Are you a Christmas Eve shopper?

Speaker 1 (41:07):
No, I'm usually like way out, but you know, maybe put
the crypto phone down for acouple of hours and go handle
some business.

Speaker 5 (41:16):
No, it's not that it's kids work.
I drop the kids off at daycare,I go to work, pick the kids up
from daycare, feed them dinner,and it's like when do I go?
Amazon man lifesaver I like, Ilike, I'm a, I'm a tactical, I'm

(41:40):
a tactile guy.
You know, I like to, I like tosee it, I like that.
Oh yeah, that works yeah, I was.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Uh, I did some shopping the other day out and
out in the real world.
It was weird.
It's been a while since I'vedone that I'm a real world kind
of guy man.
You know I'm a punk, if youwill I just like the, uh, the
added convenience of being ableto have somebody drop that shit
off at your house for you I, Iget it.
I I understand that, but youknow scrambling on december 23rd

(42:09):
to pick up gifts is a traditionunlike any other 100 100 my
favorite lately is that thetargetcom purchases.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
you just pull up to the parking lot and they just
they're there, waiting there foryou yeah, all the time kate
does my favorite part about thatis when you get home and you're
like, oh, I didn't order thissweet.

Speaker 5 (42:30):
And then you're like, wait a minute, where's what I
did order my whole thing is islike you have to know what
you're trying to find online andif, if you go into the store
you're able to like have avariety of things you can choose
from.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Otherwise, online you have to like zone in so here
here's something that uh, assomeone who is semi-retired,
doesn't work much and I do allthe grocery shopping for the
house and all that stuff.
You want to watch somethingthat's hilarious.
Go into an Albertsons, find the16-year-old kid that's pulling

(43:08):
all the food for the drive-uporders and just watch them,
because they'll find out quicklythat they have no idea what the
hell they're doing.
And they will pull up to asection to look up something and
they'll look at the phone andthey'll look at the car, the the
wall where all the products are, and they'll look at the phone
and then you just see them shrugtheir shoulders and grab

(43:30):
something, throw it in and go.
It's why we stopped doing themobile pickups and just I'm.
You know I'm tired of all themistakes.

Speaker 5 (43:39):
I'll just go get it myself, but I mean, they're
trying exactly with christmaspresents.
There you go, that's all yougotta say exactly so uh yeah,
funny stuff.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
All right, uh.
So two things uh, we're gonnaget to to wrap up the show this
week.
Um, the first is, uh, we'regonna talk about, uh, pga
Fantasy League with BeautifulGolf Courses and then we'll get
into the slow play stuff.
So if you guys have beenfollowing the show at all over
the last couple months, you knowthat Beautiful Golf Courses

(44:08):
does an annual charity auctionfor the Four Hadley Foundation
where they reach out throughtheir amazing network of
contacts with all kinds of golfcourses all across the country
and, uh, you can basically bidon foursomes or a company
threesomes at some prettyspectacular golf courses all

(44:30):
across the country.
Um, you know, we've known aboutit for a couple of years.
We actually participate,participated in this year we're
going to be going to Arizona inthe springtime to talk out a
couple that we're incrediblyexcited about and probably would
not have gotten the opportunityto play there had it not been
for BGC.
So last year we did a podcastrendition of the PGA tour

(44:57):
fantasy league where we reachedout to a bunch of different golf
podcasts and said, hey, want todo this with us.
We're just going to.
You know, pick no skin in thegame.
No, nothing, just braggingrights and, like the first five
weeks, it was awesome and thennobody started, nobody played
anymore and there was no skin inthe game and, and you know, we
get it.
So I was thinking of a way toput skin in the game, and so I

(45:21):
was thinking, oh, we'll justtell everybody 25 bucks they
could play for a pot, um, andwe'll open it up to our
listeners and anybody.
And uh, then the auctionhappened and I'm like, oh, I've
got a really good idea.
So I reached out to mike and Isaid, hey, what?
What?
If we do this?
It's going to be a $50 entryfee for anybody that wants to
get into this fantasy golfleague.

(45:42):
Um, you know, we're going tohave to.
It'll be an Instagram accountor some.
Some way we can verify who youare.
So we know who this is going to.
Um, you pay the entry fee,we'll give you the link to join
the Fantasy League and, at theend of the season, the pot, the
pot.
So let's say we have, you know,20 people sign up for it.

(46:03):
50 bucks, $1,000.
Is that right math?
Math right Clark County math.
So okay, so you know, $1,000that the winners will be able to
use in the auction.
So that's how BGC is involvedwith this.
So you basically would,whatever the pot is, however

(46:26):
many people we sign up it couldbe $1,000, it could be $2,000,
it could be $3,000, the morepeople we get, the more people
we get you would basically havea three thousand dollar, two
thousand dollar credit on theauction to bid for, um, uh, an
outing and there are some prettyamazing outings on there, um,

(46:54):
so yeah, absolutely, this islike what was what?
Did we totally pay foreverything, dan, it's, I mean uh
, yeah, both rounds um.
I think it was just about 15yeah, so I mean, for that's four
people for two days at twoprivate courses in in payson,

(47:14):
arizona.
It's an amazing deal and andthere's so many other ones that
are better.
So this is what I recommend getyour your foursome, everybody,
enter it and you've got a one infour chance of your group
winning this and go play asick-ass golf course for 50
bucks.
It is an amazing opportunity.

(47:37):
We're not keeping any of themoney.
I'm going to run it on the PGAFantasy League.
All the rules and everythingwill be posted on there.

Speaker 5 (47:43):
And if you lose, it's going to a good cause.
Exactly, I'm going to beentering.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
I know these three guys on the screen with me are
going to be entering becausethat gives us a one in four
chance to go play an amazinggolf course for $50.
So and the more people thatenter, the bigger the purse can
be and you don't have to spendit all in one auction.
The bigger the purse can be andyou don't have to spend it all
on one auction, you know you canfind.

Speaker 4 (48:06):
You can get two or three.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
You can get four or five, depending on how many
people they enter.
It's true, mike said thank youso much.
Love it, fellas.
Awesome stuff.
Count me in for the league.
And he's got to run Long nightin the hospital, so he's working
night and day.
Have a good night, so I'm goingto post this on.
I'll do a blog post on thebreakfast ball so everybody can

(48:28):
see it there.
I'll post it in our stories andI'll put a link in the
Instagram description foreverybody.
So, please, everybody, if it's,if you don't know about the
auction, go check it out.
Go follow BGC beautiful golfcourses, and I think this could
be something that we couldreally help them get over that
hump.
Uh, clearing the hundredthousand dollar donation because

(48:51):
, uh, we really wanted that tohappen this year.
It's fell a little short so, uh,we're going to do everything we
can to help them.
So absolutely I'm excited aboutthat.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
That I mean yeah one is going to keep your skin.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
It's going to keep you in the game, so people will
play all season long.
And then you imagine comingdown to the last tournament
where, holy shit, you know,there's a whatever amount of pot
that we get to spend this ongolf yeah, ah, so bucks yeah, 50
bucks.
So, uh, thanks mike forallowing us to do that in the

(49:26):
four hadley foundation.
You know it's also good if?

Speaker 5 (49:29):
if nobody joins, then it's just us four competing
against each other and we'regonna win yeah, so just so a
nice 200 pot, yeah, yeah 200dollars, 200 dollars.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Yeah, $200.
$200.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Woo, no, we need 20 people we need 20 people,
minimum.
At least 40 people would beamazing and there's so many of
our followers have hugefollowings, so many of the
listeners have amazing contacts.
Everybody needs to know aboutthis and we need to get this up
to a four or five thousanddollar pot and really give away

(50:09):
or not give away award to oneperson, whoever wins an amazing
time at some pretty amazing golfcourses, because this what this
does.
What this does is this booststhe people who really want to
play these courses, like thereally nice, like Dismal River
and what were some of the otherones.

(50:30):
Joe, that were.

Speaker 4 (50:33):
Dismal Brooms Edge.
Brooms Edge was on there.

Speaker 5 (50:37):
Yeah, there's a lot of fantastic golf courses, so
many good ones.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
But a lot of those get bought up by corporate guys
that are you know.
Hey, I'm going to take theseout.
I got four grand, I can drop onthis, no problem, you know, and
just boom, it blows it out.
This allows you to competeagainst those people, absolutely
.
Yeah, all right, all right.
So stay tuned for thatinformation.
I'll get on that, because theseason starts in a couple weeks,

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so it's going to be a hard pushfor everybody to get on this.
So don't wait.
If you have any questions oryou want to get in on it, start
sending me messagesmysoccaldgolflife,
mysoccaldgolflife, or on our CDPIG, because that's probably
where I'm going to run most ofit out of.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
Real quick.
Did you see the Ireland auction, the six rounds or the five
rounds, in Ireland?

Speaker 1 (51:25):
What did it end up?

Speaker 4 (51:26):
going for Like $1,500 .
Six rounds like five days inIreland.
That's insane.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Sorry, go ahead.
Yeah right, you met for $50.
Can you imagine?
That for $50?
Yeah, that'd be insane.
You could charge your friends$1,000.

Speaker 4 (51:47):
Your hero ships.
Free your airfare.
Yeah, there you go.
Yeah, everything.

Speaker 5 (51:52):
So there's a lot of ways this could be beneficial
for you, and we'll get it going.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Yep, yep, yep, yep, all right, so we, dan, you
weren't there so you don't knowwhat was going on, but I'm sure
you understand we had a group infront of us at Coyote.
That was like the epitome ofslow, and we said something to
the marshal because it took usalmost 240 to play the front,

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maybe 245.
And at Coyote, coyote's a toughcourse, course.
So if you're having a bad day Ican see how it can take some
time, uh.
But the marshal said he talkedto him a couple times and then
we get to 10, we're on, we're inthe 10 fairway, and you know I
was following you guys in a cart.
So I stopped and I chatted withthem and I'm like what's going
on ahead of them?
And he's like, well, let melook.

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He's like there's a couple slowones out there, but you know I
only got two red flags andthat's those guys.
And I'm like, okay, cause youknow we're, we're 10, almost 11
holes in and it's been threehours.
This is ridiculous.
He's like, yeah, I'll talk tohim.
So, probably the most proactiveMarshall I've encountered in a

(53:02):
long time.
He was actively going up tothese guys and saying let's move
, let's move, let's go, let's goand they basically were like
fuck you, no.
And uh, on 16,.
Uh, if anybody knows, coyote,600 yard par five.

(53:24):
Uh, the boys were playing thetips, tips, um.
So they're in the fairway.
The group in front of them isjust off the green on the
approach area.
They're 260 yards away fromthat group, haven't hit a 210
yard shot off the tee the entireday and they're waiting for

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them.
The marshal was next to them,talking to them, telling them to
pick it up.
He drove over to the cart path,came up to us and was telling
us that he's talking to him andwe go.
Uh, well, they're still thereand he was shocked.
He's like what turned around,saw they had not moved from when

(54:05):
he was talking to them and wentback and talked to him again.
So I mean, this was all daylong it was.
It was terrible.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Uh, juju, I'm sure you heard it from trey, I mean
just yeah, they sat there forlike we were on that whole
waiting for like 15 minutes ohmy god, and they sat there.
When the group ahead of themcleared the green, they were
still sitting there.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
They weren't doing anything, they were just sitting
in their carts and uh.
So I was like I go, man, itwould be awesome if they could
just turn their carts off andlet us play through.
And then I was thinking I I'mlike you know, with all the
technology that we have now andgolf cart GPSs and geofencing,

(54:50):
you know how about the golfcourses go, flash them a warning
on the GPS, you are 20 minutesbehind pace, you are slowing up.
Golfers behind you Pick it up,or we're, you know, suspending
your cart until the group behindyou passes or until you know we
get caught up?
And uh, I know it, I knowprobably never happened.

(55:14):
But what, what, what can golfcourses do when you have a group
that has been warned multiple,multiple, multiple times that
they are playing slow and theyneed to pick it up, and they
won't, what do you do?

Speaker 2 (55:40):
shut their fucking cards down yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Yeah, I mean there has to be, I mean it is.
There's no punishment for thiscrime.
It is.
I mean it is a crime becauseyou are basically stealing time
from the people behind you.
You know there is a pace thatthey want you to play at and
when you're not playing at thatpace and you have been warned

(56:02):
you are now stealing the timefrom the people behind you
that's the thing, man.

Speaker 5 (56:07):
I had things to do right like oh, you were ready to
leave.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Yeah, I was about.
No one wanted you to leave?

Speaker 5 (56:12):
yeah, of course, and if I have to leave, then I have
to like uh, somebody has todrive me to the, you know, and
then it slows the other peopledown you know it's just like you
just gotta be fuckingrespectful man.
Like, and people don't.
People don't see that like youknow they're in their own world.
I get it right, it might beyour one time a month.

(56:36):
It gets plague off, but justfucking plague off.
Like if you lose your ball,just fucking drop a ball.
Like I don't even keep score.
Like who gives a fuck, dude, atthe end of the day, and you're
probably betting a dollar, maybefive dollars on a hole, maybe I
mean probably not five dollarsmaybe a dollar on a hole.

(56:56):
Like who gives a fuck about thedollar?
Dude, chill.
Like you just fucking play thegame, dude have fun, they fun,
they were dropping ball marks ona foot one and a half foot two
foot putt.
And they were putting theirputter covers on the opposite
side from the cart.

(57:17):
Like why are you dropping yourshit over here when it's all the
way to the green?

Speaker 1 (57:22):
One thing that I knew we were in trouble on the on
the third hole, the par three,we pull up to the green or we
pull up to the t-box and there'stwo guys, there's four guys,
standing on the green one guy'schipping just off the green and
the other guy's on the green.
They both hit putts.
And then the other two guyswalk almost to the cart path

(57:43):
where their balls were and theyhit their pitch shots and I was
like what the fuck were youdoing, you know?
And one guy had a little pitchshot over the bunker.
So I'm like I hope he clearsthe bunker, you know.
And and a couple times I rolledup.
Because I rolled up, I was outthere, uh, shooting videos and

(58:04):
taking pictures.
Well, not taking pictures,shooting video.
I get up to the green a coupletimes and, bill, that was a four
putt.
Right, you guys are having uswait for four putts.
It's like oh my god.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
You can still have fun and you can still order
drinks from the cart girl, andor you can still do all that and
play very fast.
It's just, I mean, a lot ofpeople don't know cart etiquette
like they wait for you know?
Yeah, they don't even get ayardage while their other
person's hitting or they're likeeven with each other in the

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fairway.
They could park in between themand each walk your own
direction.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
They don't do that it's it's.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
You wait till everyone hits and then you drive
to your ball on 13.

Speaker 5 (58:52):
Like you know, like we had, I had my ball, like I
was like drop me, here I'm gonnagrab three clubs.
Take the cart, I'll grab myrange finder and you go look for
yours and people just liketotally don't even think about
doing that yeah, the on 13they're.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
They're in the fairway.
We see we see two guys andthere's two carts, but there's
only two guys.
We're like what the hell?
And then we see that we catchthis like glimmer of a golf
shaft, like 60 yards left of thefairway, and we're like, is
that that?
Yep, that was them, that wasthem.
And so they come over, drop theball, get their yardage topped

(59:30):
it.
It went maybe 15, 20 yards,maybe.
Walk over, put their club inthe bag, hop in the car, drive
up to that ball, get out, get aclub.
And it was like, oh my, all daylong, all day long it was.
It was bad.
So, uh, you know, I, I did itin chippity chat.
What do you guys think?

(59:51):
What would, what would you doif you pulled up at a golf
course and they said hey, justto let you know, we have a rule
you get behind pace, you'regoing to get a warning.
If, after the warning, youdon't pick it up, we're going to
suspend your golf cart untilthe group behind you passes.

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
I mean, I think the only thing you can do is if is
if you make them sign a waiverstating that when they check in,
because other than that, howare you going to police?
You don't, you don't have anykind of legal recourse to police
, anything like that, right howdo you not have legal recourse?

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
it's your golf course , you are.
I'm just being argumentativehere, you paid to come play our
place.

Speaker 5 (01:00:26):
Right, which is true, Like on the thing where it's
like if I fall behind, I agreethat you know I'm going to let
others pass, kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
Yeah, yeah, because honestly, like, I just feel like
golf courses.

Speaker 5 (01:00:38):
People won't read it anyway, they won't read it.
Yeah, they just they won't,they won't give a shit.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
A lot of people will be like, fuck that, I paid you
know a hundred, some odd dollarsto do this.
I'm gonna take my time.
You know, a lot of a lot ofguys have that mentality.
They don't give a fuck aboutplaying fast, they want to hit
all 112 of their shots and watchthem.
Um, I think it's just uh, youknow, people just gotta get
better trained.

(01:01:03):
I guess, for lack of a for fora better term.
But yeah, if you're a slowgolfer, I mean, like you know,
you either got to work ongetting better or just fucking
pick up, or you got to sign awaiver stating I want, you know,
we're looking at trying to playevery hole at you know 12
minutes or 15 minutes, a holewhich puts us at you know four

(01:01:24):
and a half hour round.
And if you violate thatrepeatedly after warnings and
you're fucking gone.
But you can't really do that.
I don't think you can reallyall right.

Speaker 5 (01:01:32):
So, mark, let me just need to play by that.
Yeah, yeah let me clarify that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
But people need to play by the double or triple
bogey rule like yeah, absolutely, yeah, so originally I I'm like
, uh, I thought, uh, until Pacepicks up and you're not playing,
you're parked until two, threegroups get through and you got
to pick it up, otherwise we'reparking you again.
Yeah, it's going to help thepeople right behind them, but

(01:01:59):
hopefully they realize it andthey get going and it would help
Because, yeah, everybody behindthem is already being affected
anyways.
You know, everybody behind uswas affected by these people in
front of us.

Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
Robbie's, mark Robbie's.
Yep, yeah, marshall, absolutelyright, robbie.
And the sad thing is, I havenothing against old people, but
like all they do is hire like 80year old-old fucking people to
go drive a golf cart around agolf course.
You know they're not going tobe.
You know they're notconfrontational at all.
They don't give two shit,they're just trying not to die,
they're just fucking drivingaround.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Or they double down on that.
Yeah, the people that arereally slow they don't care what
had gave two shits with this.
And, like I said, above andbeyond.

Speaker 5 (01:02:49):
This marshal was above and beyond awesome.
He was awesome.
But he's like what can I do?
I mean, you know, and I'm gonnafight them.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
I'm 80 years old, you know kind of situation I'd get
one of them, little ball pickeruppers on the end of the grips,
you know, and just go out andpick up all their balls.
They're on the next team.

Speaker 4 (01:03:04):
You had like, what if you had like an armed marshal
out there, got like a nine pick,it's a lock on this thing.
Say, hey guys, it's your finalwarning.

Speaker 5 (01:03:13):
You don't pick it up I'm gonna shoot you in the leg
what's up I mean the thing I Iunderstand everybody's trying to
, like you know, grind forscores and they're playing
against their friends and allthat shit, but like just, I mean
really, the end of the day it'slike double, triple, boogie max

(01:03:34):
.
Like okay, if, if, if you'renot getting in the green, in
like whatever, like one or twoover, drop your ball in the
green.
Okay, you're not, you're notshooting your career best you
know, but you're.
You have to be considerate guysare.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Most of these guys are taking a double anyways yeah
, and you have to be considerateas a six the people behind you.

Speaker 5 (01:03:58):
Dude, like you know, you have somewhere to go.
I also have somewhere to go.
You know, I booked this teatime with the thought in my mind
that I'd be out here for likefive hours tops, you know.
And yeah, I have things to do.
I have to go get christmaspresents, I have to go pick up
the kids, or whatever the casemay be, like you're not sure, I

(01:04:20):
drove an hour to be out here Igot an hour drive home.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
I'm gonna have road rage because of you fucks.

Speaker 5 (01:04:27):
And that's not counting if I get a flat tire on
the way and I have to give.
Have some fucking dude pick meup and take me to a yontera
place, like bob had to happenone time, you know.
So it's like there's otherfactors like just think about
the people behind you, beconsiderate, like that's, that's
the whole.
This is golf, you know.
Be considerate to the peoplebehind you, okay, and that goes

(01:04:51):
for raking bunkers, filling yourdivots.
Oh, you just got it, you know.
You know, I don't want to endup in your footprint print in a
fucking bunker.
Rake the bunker, it doesn'ttake that long yep had another
video tray raking bunkersexactly, and there was so many
bunkers out there that had justoh my god place and coyote is

(01:05:15):
notorious for that.
Especially on number 10 number10, some of those bunkers.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
Right, it's fucking.
You build sandcastles and someof those things there's never,
never right.

Speaker 5 (01:05:24):
It's never right.
That greenside bunker to theright on number 10, never
fucking right.
You know why.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Because most of the time people go in there they
can't get out of it.
They're like fuck this bunker.

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Kick the rake in the desert.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Okay, take a second.

Speaker 5 (01:05:39):
So pause and think about the people behind you that
are gonna end up there.

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
Nobody does, nobody does, nobody has any
consideration.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
I don't give a fuck yeah, just think about if you
have behind you, it's all whatif you go to the fishing like a
fishing license, but for golfand all you have to certain
courses like based on difficulty.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
It's a classification that would be amazing, then,
then, we're getting the.
It's already an elitist sportand they're just I know, yeah,
weeding people out for sure

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
this is an a-level course, we only allow a-level
players no, not even that leveldays.

Speaker 5 (01:06:18):
Uh, your money is whatever I think it's
interesting though, like thatwhole concept, like the, the
whole golfer license, you know,like yeah that's, you have to
have a license to hunt.
You have to have to, and that'sjust going out there and
shooting things.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
Germany, germany, gotta have a golf license.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
I know I mean.
It's not even about, like,keeping people out of courses.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
It's about educating them and making sure that they
know like yeah, that's the thing, here's how you can play fast,
or here's how you can, you know?
And it's, it's as bad assomebody seeing somebody with
iron covers.
Everybody loses their mind andgoes oh, what a loser if you get
called a slow player.
That fucking hurts and somepeople don't know how to react

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to it.
So uh and, and a lot of peoplethat get told hey, you're slow,
no, I'm not, no, I'm not, fuckyou, it's such an evil.

Speaker 5 (01:07:08):
That's the thing.
We that's the thing we playedwith glenn and we were fucking
on pace and everybody that'splayed with glenn knows that
he's slow the way you play withglenn is you keep playing while
he's talking, exactly?

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
That's the only way to play at the.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
Glen, because he's not going to stop talking.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
And you can't allow Glen to be the last putter.
He cannot be the personfinishing the hole.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Or you just everybody starts walking off the green.
Yeah that's Bless his heartyeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Yeah, people don't even listen to T recommendations
.
Yeah, no, yeah, I know.
No, the starter, the guy thatwas starting us, was the marshal
that was on the courseafterwards and he's like you
know, you guys are playing fromthe tips, right.
And he's like, yep, all right,I'm going to need to see this.
Then Trey hits.
He's like, all right, you guysare good.
Yeah, exactly, you're funny.
Yeah, exactly you're funny.

(01:08:04):
So alright so that's.
That's another DDP, slow playrant yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:08:13):
I don't know what we're gonna do I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Oh yes, I did watch the game that was good.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
That was really good, mark.
I enjoyed that.
It was really good.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
I hope they keep doing if you were paying
attention, you saw that JakeKnapp knapp had a lagp shaft in
his putter yes, he did justsaying I think some of those
duos, too, are like prettyentertaining.
I think we need to see more ofthat, honestly I would love to
see one in the middle of theseason, you know, and actually

(01:08:43):
instead of this late in the yearwhere everybody's checked out
because I'm, I, you know thegolf nuts.
We all watch it, of course, butyeah, that was fun, that was
fun to watch.
I like how they had thealternate where they could
change the balls.
That was that was smart smartstuff.
All right, that that'll do itfor episode 305.

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I don't know if we're going tobe back this year.
We'll see.
We'll see what's going on.
Next week is Christmas Eve.
We got New Year's Eve thefollowing week, so we may mix it
up and do it another night justto keep the streak going.
But you know streaks they gotto end sometimes.
So we'll see.

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We'll chat with the fellas here, see if we can figure it all
out.
But uh, in case we don't comeback until next year, I just
want to say thank you to youguys for doing this.
It's been an awesome year for us.
A lot of changes, a lot ofthings going on, but I think
we're hitting our hitting ourgroove right now.
Um, we're getting out, we'rehaving some fun, people are like

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.
Tuning in the, the interactionswith everybody has been
fantastic.
Uh, want more of that everyweek.
So thank you so much to all thelisteners and everybody that
tunes in and participates eachweek.
It's really easy to just waituntil wednesday when it comes
out and listen as you're drivingaround.
Takes a little bit of passionand desire to sit here and watch

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our ugly mugs and and be akeyboard warrior.
So thank you all for that.
Uh, we'll be back with uh moreshit next year.
Stay tuned for information onthe bgc cdp League.
That will be absolutelyspectacular.
So I can't wait for you all toget into that.
And if we do come back, I'llannounce it before the end of

(01:10:31):
the year if we're going to haveanother show.
So, with all that being said,joe, you want to close it out?

Speaker 5 (01:10:38):
Yeah, if we don't see you this year, I hope you have
a great Christmas and a greatNew Year.
Hopefully you don't get thatfucking toilet putter thing for
Christmas.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
Potty putter.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
Joe's got six in his garage.

Speaker 5 (01:10:59):
I have quite a few.
If you do, just appreciate itwith a smile, be considerate of
those that gift you somethingand be considerate of those
behind you.
It is the end of the year andwe appreciate everybody
listening, everybody thatinteracts with us every single
week, share the show, and weappreciate you listening Every

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single.
This guy's doing the taylorswift thing, where they fucking
do this shit.
I don't know don't, don't yeah,don't be a geek guy, you know,
that's all I'm gonna say.
And uh, we'll see you.
Maybe we'll do something beforenext year but if we don't,
we'll see you next year.
Until then later.

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Outro Music.