328: From Pro Golfer to Master Craftsman: Dave Frisch's Putter Revolution

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Speaker 1 (00:26):
What is up everybody, and welcome to another episode
of the Chasing Daylight Podcast.
We had so much fun last time.
We had a guest on live.
We decided what the hell, let'sdo it again.
This time we're bringing inDave.
Is it Frisch?
Is that how you say your?
Last name yeah correct FromGoodwood Golf Company.

(00:46):
Welcome to the show, sir.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Thank you, that's pretty good because this guy
does not pronounce anythingcorrectly the first time.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Well done.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
He's in the 1% with my last name.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Have you seen my last name?
Good Lord, I get everything youcan imagine.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Out of curiosity, how would you pronounce Matt's last
name?

Speaker 2 (01:12):
We've heard a lot of things.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
I'm curious.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Wait, how do you spell it again?

Speaker 1 (01:18):
It's W the word angry .

Speaker 3 (01:20):
C-H-T.
It's like Wayne Kreicht, that'show you would say it.
How would you say it,wainwright really good, yeah,
it's not bad.
Not bad, that's really good.
We had a lady.
How you say it?
You say, yeah, we got that wegot that one time at the golf
course.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Like the course I play, all the time the starter
yells out wang and yacht yeahand uh yeah, so that's kind of
one of my running nicknames.
Uh, thanks for so much forcoming on.
It is it's late for you.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
It's it's after hours uh, nothing's open right now
right, you.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
You don't live in a 24-hour town, so nothing's open
right now.
It's dark, it's quiet,everyone's asleep, uh, so thank
you so much for for doing this,you know we uh we did, uh, uh,
not really a collab, but you didsome putters for us and, um,
dan absolutely loves his.
I absolutely love him.

(02:19):
I fucked up and and didn't cutJoe's BGT shaft to the right
length, so when he got it itcame out to like F2.
It was stupid, stupid heavy,but I have.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
He's telling these guys it was heavy and they're
like what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (02:37):
I found a KBS 120 cutter shaft and a good grip and
it's swing weight right now.
It's good.
I was on staycation so Icouldn't get it to him for him
to play with this weekend, butit's ready for him.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
So, he's going to drive to Havasu, I'll get it.
Oh my God.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
He lives 20 minutes from me.
It's not as bad as he makes itsound, so I put it out there to
everybody on instagram ifanybody had any questions.
We did get one question from ag.
Um, our interactions oninstagram aren't exactly where
they could be right now, but, uh, he wanted to know what it was
that got you started to you know, with your own brand.

(03:19):
What made you want to startyour own company?
So I think we can answer thatquestion and a bunch of others
If you just kind of give us thespiel on what made you start
Goodwood.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Went to about a semester of community college
because I didn't know what Iwanted to do but I like playing
golf too much in the meantime,so I stopped going to school,
got pretty good.
Um was working at a golf course, passed my PAT, passed the
written test, ended up getting ajob as a system pro and um just
kind of self-taught there anddid that for about eight years.

(03:55):
Um, it was fun in the beginningbut a lot of hours, not a lot
of pay.
So got out of that business, ofthat business and um.
But while I was doing that, um,one of my favorite things was
to go to local golf galaxy andthey always had a used bin where
you could find some old wedgesor old.
Occasionally you find it oldcameron putter or ping or

(04:16):
something like that and I justlike refinishing them.
You know you could get them outof the used bin for 10, 15
bucks and then go trade themback in for 50 bucks after I
spent 20 minutes fixing it up.
So just something fun to do, um.
But I was always really intoshort game stuff, putters and
everything like that and reallywanted a double.
Oh, nine would have been aterrible financial decision, you

(04:40):
know at the time to to buy oneof those.
So, um, just kind of taughtmyself CAD and I was always
pretty artistic, so I pickedthat up quick and then
outsourced.
I found a place that would make10 heads, so 10 heads was still
cheaper than buying one ofthose and then just pre-sold a
few of them.
Started off as just a hobby,never envisioned it being

(05:04):
something that I do full time.
But first model kind of sucked,then the next one was a little
bit better, and then here I amnow with with a bunch of
different models.
So and fortunately actuallyright around uh, covet time,
everybody you know picked upgolf, started doing things
outside.
That's actually when I starteddoing this full time, which was
crazy.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
So, yeah, yeah how is covid with the golf courses out
there?
Because what what happened outhere is is you know, we have
there's three million people inthe valley and it seems like
half of them didn't play golfand now they all do the.
We have no t times.
Rates are through the roof.

(05:44):
It's impossible to book.
Is that happening out there aswell?

Speaker 2 (05:49):
That's, that's pretty much how it is now still, and
um, I don't know what thecountry clubs are like out there
, but I mean, it is nothing foryour run of the mill country
club to have a waiting list anda 10 grand initiation fee, Like
it's just it's impossible to getinto them.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
So you know, and like I said those, are
run-of-the-mill ones.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Those are on the lower end, I mean.
You know, some of the otherones obviously are.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
They've always been expensive, but yeah where are
you located at uh specifically?
Like I am, area of marylandright right on the maryland
pennsylvania line, so basicallydead between york, pennsylvania,
and baltimore city okay, so Ihave family just like a little
bit south of baltimore and I wasthere last year and I have a

(06:37):
buddy in wilmington.
I went to play bitterman.
I don't know if these guys knowthat I went to go play
bitterman, but I went up there.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
But never played it, but I've heard of it it's sick.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
But you know, I, luckily I had a friend there and
I was trying to look forcourses to play there's, there's
a lot of amazing golf up there.
You know, like, and uh, ifyou're familiar with whatnot
thrifty golf is in annapolis andlike cinco shut up, um, but
there's a lot of, there's a lotof great golf up there.

(07:08):
I that's surprising becausethey're, like for Vegas it's
such a transient city you knowwhat I mean like people come in
play golf, but for us it's verydifficult and I I'm surprised,
like in that area there'sthere's so much golf and you're
experiencing the same thing thatwe have out here.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah no, the Northeast is is great.
There's a lot of good playerstoo, especially when you get up
towards the Philly section.
I mean it's, it's incredible.
I mean just anybody andeverybody you run into, just you
know you get paired up withthem randomly, it's.
It doesn't surprise me at allanymore.
You go out and they shoot aho-hum 66, 67, just, oh god, out

(07:52):
of nowhere.
Did you play any tournamentgolf?

Speaker 3 (07:54):
nah, like because there's just the competition is
just insane and you guys, youguys have a dead season too
right, because the courses shutdown and they don't shut down
out here a fun little wintertour thing that um goes on every

(08:28):
every friday morning just upthe road in pennsylvania.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
That um, yeah, we it's cart covers and heaters,
and you know there is no suchthing as a frost delay on some
of these golf courses out hereoh man, wow, that's awesome
that's crazy, that's crazy yeah,frost delays out here just ruin
the winter because those peoplethat get pushed back, they

Speaker 3 (08:49):
uh it's no fun.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yeah, okay, um, what?
So you said you wanted a 009,so this is.
This is the big thing that'sgoing on in the golf space right
now is everybody is complainingabout everybody copying.
Uh, that sure company from youknow, the pacific northwest, um,
and I I have said you know, uh,ping was copied with scotty's

(09:20):
and the newports, and bet nardicopied scotty and the ping
newports, and scot and Scottieis copied Odyssey with their new
jailbird variant, and you knownow Odyssey is copying a lab
with their UFO shape lookingputter.
As a.

(09:40):
As a designer and maker ofputters, how do I phrase this?
Are these people right forbeing upset that people are
copying, or is it?
Hey, that's just part of theway it is.
Deal with it.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
There are very few original designs in golf clubs
period, not just putters, butgolf clubs period.
I mean, I'm trying to think ofthe shapes that haven't really
been copied.
I mean, even look at, I didn'tsee much outrage, you know, when
Odyssey has basically copiedthe tailor-made spider shape,

(10:25):
which they have a lot.
They're not.
It's not as close as whatCameron did with Ping or what
Odyssey has done with the labputter, but there are a lot of
shapes out there and everybody,everybody and their brother, has
copied the Odyssey number sevendesign.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
now oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
I mean, that's just like, that's like a standard
mallet shape now.
So you know, I, I, I would.
That's funny people, that'sthey're.
They're like why your g7 looksjust like a ping answer.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
Or it's just a ping answer, it's like and I'd be an
idiot not to make it becauseit's right right easily 80 of my
sales, so I mean here's thething, though, where, where it
different, uh, differentiates,or I'm not saying it right, but
anyway, it's like all of us onthis show are like a firm

(11:19):
believer in getting somethinghandcrafted, made for you,
something handcrafted made foryou, specifically, right, like
it's not buying something offthe rack.
That is not.
You know, like people want aping answer or whatever they
want, like that's fine, it'sawesome, good for you, but it
brings a personality into it.

(11:40):
You know, like we, we got ourshand stamped or or milled the
way we wanted and we cancustomize it and that's that's
where it's.
It's an heirloom, if you will.
It's like something like youstamped it with my daughter's uh
, uh initials, so that will getpassed down to her, whether she

(12:03):
plays it or not.
My first custom putter wasstamped with my son's initials
and I get to pass that down tohim.
Everybody copies everybody, andthis is her right here, and
she'll probably yell at you, hitwin.

(12:24):
But I think that's the thingthing, right, it's not
necessarily everybody copies,it's about how much personality
do you want to give and get inthe game of golf.
And that's what I love aboutyou, craftsmen, because there's
time involved and, uh, it takestime and you devote your time,

(12:45):
yeah, to pass something along tous that we pass along to others
.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Sure, yeah, and that's the cool thing about, I
think, having a putter.
I mean, obviously I'm anadvocate for that, everybody
should buy a putter from me, butit's, I mean, maybe, maybe it
is the, the personalization, andI've I've stamped so many
people's initials or their kids'initials or dates into them or

(13:11):
or just made them look cool orwhatever.
But then there's also theability to come to me and say,
hey, I want a flow neck thatonly has a quarter shaft of
offset, and I want aperpendicular sight line and I
want it to have 42 degrees oftoe hang or whatever, and and
just things that you can't findon the shelf.
So that's what I think it opensup the door to, to just so many

(13:35):
possibilities for seriousplayers, for for people who want
a collector's item, for youknow, all kinds of different
people.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Yeah, I watched the, the, uh, the documentary that
Eric Anders Lang did today aboutping and how like crazy he was,
you know, with the whole dotsystem and that's what you
provide in a way right To peoplethat you know red dot, orange
dot, green dot yeah, Like CarsonI would.

(14:04):
That documentary was crazy.
I never even I've never likedping, but it's just doesn't fit
my vibe.
Uh, they obviously make greatthings, but it's like he
provided a way for people forthe custom route and that's what
you do.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yeah, yeah, having that option out there was
relatively unique and new togive people those those options.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
So that's right I mean everything you see on the
shelf has a, has a flange lineon it every blade.
So like getting getting a topline or just a dot or no line or
something like that.
It just gets difficult to find.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
That's why and that's that's.
Yeah, as I say, that's what Ilove about a lot of the putters
you make too dave is because,like I've, I've followed you on
instagram for a while and justseeing all the little, just
intricate little custom stuffthat you do whether it's the
font of the goodwood, the oilcan, um, it's also been pretty

(15:06):
awesome to watch because I havethree of your putters.
Now I have the g6, I was gifteda g7 and then I I have the m2,
um, yep, but just just recentlyyou dropped your, your little um
.
What's that?
The glockwood?
I think it was, I think it wasthe name of it.
Oh, yeah, yeah, like it's just,it's awesome to see how you've

(15:29):
gone from like your normalanswer style you know putters
like that to dropping thatputter and then the new mallets,
now with the, with the weightsyou got inside that you can
screw in and everything likeit's it's been really cool to
see how you've come like fullcircle from traditional designs
to making your own like one-offputters and getting them, like
you know, customized and milledcertain ways.

(15:52):
I think it's awesome what you'vedone.
I'm a huge fan of your work, soI just wanted to get that out
of the way.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
How long did it take you to learn CAD?
I mean that's not like just getCAD for dummies at the library
and and design a putter.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
It's a little bit more involved in that now
they're uh, what do people goyoutube university um and a lot
of facebook pages and forums,and I mean the learning, the CAD
part and I am by no means anengineer.
I have a good eye for artisticthings.

(16:29):
Numbers and me don't get along.
So the fact that I have thisindustrial CNC machine back here
, like it's amazing that Ihaven't just blown it up yet and
crashed it a thousand times upyet and crashed it a thousand
times, um, but yeah, the.
So there's the cad portion ofit, which is all the designing

(16:50):
and modeling of a shape, butthen there's the cam portion
where you actually have to tellthe machine what to do from a
block of steel to produce whatyou want.
That part is I'll never learnall of it, it's it's you learn
something new every day with it.
Um, that I lean heavily on lotsof good, lots of good websites
and forums out there where youjust sit back and I have a

(17:12):
million dummy questions, but sodo other people and you can just
kind of get information withoutyou know actually looking like
a dumbass on there do?

Speaker 1 (17:21):
you go in there in like incognito mode and and not
let people know who you are, sosomeone doesn't go.
What?

Speaker 2 (17:30):
well, and the cool, the other cool thing and I have
to, you know, give credit toother people who have helped
most other putter makers who dowhat I do at least the guys who
are small enough or whatever.
I've talked with plenty of themand we've shared things about,
like, how did you machine thator what tooling are you using
for this?
And then we sit there and gripeabout you know the customer

(17:52):
service side of it and hatedthat asshole reach out to you
for a putter because he ghostedme and this and that, and it
happens a lot.
So it's actually fun to be onthat side of it too and you get
a chance to talk to some ofthose people as well.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah, I was.
I helped Ricky Johnson for awhile with his, his stuff.
He's in Texas and he is in thecentrifuge business, and when
oil was going nuts and he had,you know, 35 or 40 employees in
a 25, 000 square foot warehouseand more money than he knew what
to do with, all he did was playgolf.
And he's like I want to, I'mgoing to start making putters

(18:32):
and, uh, and so he started it.
I found him and, and we workedtogether for a while, but now
he's uh, you know, with the, thefinancial crisis, with oil and
and work and metals, uh, nowhe's down to like three
employees and he's one of them,so he's working non-stop now
instead of playing golf fivedays a week.
So, but I I you're exactlyright with the people reaching

(18:55):
out.
I mean, it was a every singleday, five, six times a day.
Hey, I'm an influencer, I'llget you 500 sales, no problem.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
It's hilarious.
My favorite one is the new NILthing.
Man, I get people hey, I'm asecond string kicker at a D3
school playing football.
Do you do any NIL deals?

Speaker 3 (19:24):
What does that have to do with golf?

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Are you serious?
Oh yeah.
I feel old when I say but kidsthese days, man, they just think
they can get anything andeverything.
I just have to laugh at it.
The first few times it caughtme off guard and now it is.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Oh that's hilarious.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Playing South Dakota state community college.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
I think it's I think it's awesome that it's
self-determined, self-taughtLike I love that stuff, because
I feel like that's missing a lotnowadays.
It's like, you know, I try andteach my son that, like, hey, I
need help with this.
Nowadays, it's like you know, Itry and teach my son that, like
hey, I need help with this.
No, I'll figure it out, youknow, and you did that and and
that's that's a way of if youwant to do something like

(20:13):
research, it figure it out.
And you did that.
That's incredible.
I think I love that.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Thank you yeah, I mean it's.
It's a combination of a lot ofbeing around a lot of the right
people.
I mean, my dad raised me.
We were always doing projectsoutside or working with my hands
and stuff like that, so thatcame naturally, and then again
just I gifted with some artisticability, but, um, but also
meeting the right people alongthe way at the right time.

(20:40):
So after actually I left thegolf industry, I worked for a
beer distributor.
I sold craft beer.
Um, so learn learned a lotabout um.
You love my wall with all my tinsigns up here.
Um I, uh, I learned a lot aboutlike inventory stuff.
I mean that seems really basic,but but going into different

(21:03):
stores and seeing how it's partof everything.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
Yeah, absolutely Necessary.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
And then from there, I actually bought material for a
machine shop and I didn't knowanything about machining.
But I got to be friends withsome of the engineers and
everything and learned some ofthe CAD and then the engineering
part of it and learned aboutthe different materials and the
process of machining.
So everything along the way haskind of all come together and
yeah, pretty happy, never wantto work for anybody else but

(21:30):
myself now.
So there you go, exactly.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
So how many different finishes are you offering right
now?

Speaker 2 (21:37):
So it depends on what steel type you're selecting.
But in stainless steel I canjust do the standard b blasted
satin and then I have like atorch bronze finish that I offer
um, and then with carbon steelum, you can get a satin b
blasted finish too, or I cangive it a raw look that has a

(21:58):
little bit of rust with it.
There's a gun blue option andthen I offer the, the torched
and oiled option, which is morelike a satin charcoal kind of.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
A little bit more uniform finish.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah, yeah, that one's pretty popular for sure.
And then the last one is thewhat do I call it?
The acid wash finish, that's.
Jeremy so that one was kind oflike came up by mistake.
There's a lot of fine like.
I'm sure you guys have seen itin person.
There's a lot of detail in thatone, A lot of little spots and

(22:36):
everything on it.
It just makes it interestinglooking.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Oh, we won't tell you what he did to it.
It's not forever, it is bright,you know I can imagine, there
was a little bit of glare thethe amount.
How much oil did you soak thosein before you wrapped them up?
Because when we unwrapped those, like I had, my entire shop was

(23:01):
coated in oil.
I went to put some some tape onthe putter, you know to put the
grip on, and the tape just felloff.
I'm like there's everywhere.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
The last thing I want is to have a pretty putter like
that and it shows up tosomebody and it's gotten like
oxidizing and it's just dull andrusty and which which it can
happen absolutely.
So I just take some spray itactually with pam and wrap it in
saran wrap.
So pam it might be a little bitof a cleanup, but at least it's

(23:37):
not rusted and a good lookingfinish is ruined I thought that
was like 10 30.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
I have this w30.
It was that's so funny.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Like everything's coated in oil here, so I don't
think about the end user.
When they get it, they probablygot this out of curiosity.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
Is that how you came up with the the oil can logo
like what's?
Is that the origin of the oilcan logo?

Speaker 2 (24:02):
yeah, part of it, because I was a big fan of, and
still am big fan of, carbonputters and it's just like I
wanted a logo that wasn't likewhen you first see it you don't
think of golf, but as you becomefamiliar with the brand like,
you recognize it immediately,and I just wanted something real
simple.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
So that's a great, great way to have it on there.
Love it, thank you.
The raw when.
When you do these raw finishesum, yep what.
Oh yeah, you can see my, myquad dots.
I had fun today nerd, nerd areyou doing anything to these, or
is this just when it comes offthe machine, it's very bright.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
It would not be playable.
So I actually do sandblast orglass bead blast it, and then I
take like a red 3M pad and Ijust scuff it up a little bit
and then I dip it in water andthen you can add some.
There are all kinds ofdifferent concoctions people
come up with.
You can add salt and hydrogenperoxide and vinegar or whatever
, and you just drip a little bitand let it air dry for a little

(25:14):
bit and then wipe it off beforeit gets too bad and it just
gives it that natural.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
It's so cool.
Oh, juju's in the chat, juju,yeah, so Joe's long neck.
See, I have a long neck fromLogan Olsen that he made for me
years ago.
It's the maximum that it can be.
It's right at the legal limit.

(25:40):
So it's a little bit longerthan this one, but it's not as
heavy as this.
Got it, I would game it.
So it's a little bit longerthan this one.
Yeah, um, but it's not as heavyas this.
And got it I?
I would game it, but it's justit's.
I can't.
You know, I play 30, 33 andthree quarters 34, uh, depending
on short short.
He's a tiny guy tiny guy and butthis thing was so hard for to

(26:05):
to get it a good swing weightfor joe, because I like the
heavy head, that's.
So what are you, what are youdoing to make these so heavy?

Speaker 2 (26:15):
or are you doing so?
Is is your?
Is your putter um?
Was it one piece or was it awelded knife?

Speaker 1 (26:24):
mine's one piece.
Oh, hit the olsen one, it's aone piece so we can.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
We can really nerd out about putters if you want to
talk about that um, yeah, so gofor it in a perfect world, if
you want to make something thatis specifically a long neck, you
would design the rest of theputter head around that neck, or
take into consideration thatneck.
Um, what actually happens whenyou add a long neck is all right

(26:55):
, so you're familiar with centerof gravity and all that stuff.
Um, so if you imagine the shaftgoing directly down the center,
if it extended past the facethrough the sole, all that stuff
and the putter head wasperfectly symmetrical, that
would yield a face-balancedputter.
Yeah, yeah, given that it's inline with the face and not on

(27:16):
set like some of these otherfantastic putters that are
perfect for everyone out thereright now.
So what, what you've actuallydone with that putter by adding
a long neck to it, or what I'vedone to it?

Speaker 4 (27:30):
is I've?

Speaker 2 (27:31):
added a lot of weight on the heel and higher up on
the face and that actually movesthe center of gravity higher
and towards the heel of the face, because you take that shaft
line and you divide the putterin half.
Well, your putter on the heelside weighs a lot more now than
it does on the toe side there'sa lot more material over there.

(27:53):
Yeah, um, so that's one way.
A long neck would affect it.
Now if you were to design aputter around that, or taking
into consider, you're saying,hey, I want to design a putter
that's milled one piece with along neck, you probably change
some of the shape and youprobably change some of the
weighting.
You probably make the toebumper a little bit longer,
maybe the top line slopes upsome, so you're essentially

(28:17):
adding more weight onto the toeto account for all that weight
that's going to be on the heel.
So with my long necks they'rebasically I take one of the
standard G7s, chop the neck offand add a long one to it.
I don't have any individual madeto be long neck blade models,

(28:38):
so what you can do with that isI could actually machine pockets
in the sole and that would movethat center of gravity back
towards the toe and it wouldalso account for all this extra
weight up here.
So I, so I can take some weightout in different places if we
want to modify it.
If it's too heavy for you, wecan certainly do that.

(28:58):
That's so.
That's.
That's a very short if.
If I had pulled up cad andshared a screen and everything
like that.
It's really interesting.
I can show you just by changingthe neck style you can watch
the center of gravity jumparound and then that kind of you
know, obviously that affectstoe hang and everything as well

(29:20):
yeah and the computer will.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
You can say, hey, if I take this amount out right
here, it'll show you where it'smoving.
The center of gravity yes,absolutely.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Oh, that's so sick, absolutely, yeah, yeah, you're
dealing with.
You're dealing with the newgolf nerd here, so you're good,
keep going.
And then you can actually.
You can actually do the math.
Or.
Or it becomes predictable ifyou're producing the same models
over and over again, likechanging the math, or or it
becomes predictable if you'reproducing the same models over
and over again, like changingthe neck height or something
like that, or adding in a littlebit.

(29:50):
Also, you can predict what thetoe hang is actually going to be
as well.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
So is it pretty accurate?
Yeah, yeah yes that's realaccurate because Because mine is
completely face balanced theOlsen and Joe's has yeah, he's
got some hang, not a lot, buthe's got some hang on his.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Correct.
Now there's another thing weactually yeah about 45 degrees.
I like the hang.
So unfortunately, if you dotake weight out of the sole on
the heel side, that is going togive it more toe hang, so you're
going to lose a little bit ofthat face balance yeah, that

(30:31):
makes sense, totally yeah in aperfect world, I wouldn't.
I wouldn't mind.
In a perfect world, I did.
I would design one face aroundthe fact that it is meant to be
a long neck.
What's?

Speaker 3 (30:52):
also interesting about long necks is they were
pretty popular back in the day.
Now you don't see them anymore.
Why do you believe that thenewer style they're not offering
that for face balanced oranything like that?

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Mostly because of what I was just talking about.
You're really moving the centerof gravity away from the center
of the face.
Honestly, if you were to sayyou had a sight dot, do you have
a sight dot on your putter?
I can't remember.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Yeah, yeah, I'm a right eye dominant sight dot guy
.
You did the oval.
Yeah, I did the oval, I did thecircle.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Got it the circle, yeah so there is an issue with
your putter.
That slight dot is not over thecenter of gravity but it is in
the center of the cavity.
So it's also which one do youwant?
Um, yeah, so I think, and Ithink that's part of the reason

(31:51):
why less people are using longnecks or or other manufacturers
aren't making them, because, Imean, the goal is to have the
center of gravity right in themiddle of the face, right, yeah?

Speaker 1 (32:03):
yeah, yeah, yeah.
So do you think that's not?
The high MOI putter crazethat's going on right now is
also contributing to that.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
That's part of it.
Yeah, but I think, more thananything it's it's it's the
removable weights or theinterchangeable weights, where
you can achieve face balancedwithout compromising where the
cg is going to be.
You can use single bend ordouble bend shafts to achieve
the same thing without addingall of that weight.

(32:33):
Yeah, um, so dave, I'll tellyou I'll tell you.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Let me tell dave something about me that he might
not know.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Oh god, I'd rather look like that page play well no
, no, I'd rather look cool andplay well.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
So I love it, sure, awesome, good, good dan no,
you're good, just curious on,like, say, on a long net putter
like that, would the center ofgravity be affected by towing up
or towing down a degree or two,or is it not much significant
change?

Speaker 2 (33:07):
you're talking about changing the lie angle yes, yeah
.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
So say like if you were to drop on, if joe's putter
, if you were to drop the toedown like two degrees, would
that change the cg and all of it?

Speaker 2 (33:20):
minimal amount, not not a ton, nothing significant.
I they're getting the lie anglecorrect, though is going to get
that face pointed where itneeds to be pointed, instead of
you know if the toes up.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
Your face is pointed left so guilty, sure, sure, sure
sure I and 90 of people are.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
How many people do you see with the toe up in the
air versus the heel up in theair?
It's, it's like 100, almostyeah, it's, it's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
You go into the the like we have pga superstore in
las vegas called superstorearound here and you see people
all the time.
They're like they got theputter like this it's like oh my
god.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Well, what are?
What are cameron 71?

Speaker 1 (34:02):
I think mine are 70 and I'm legitimately thinking of
changing all my models to makestock like 68 68 yeah, I mean, I
I'm 66 right now is at my, myodyssey that I got bent, and
this one, the this one we bentdown I think 68, and it's using

(34:27):
GC Quad.
Today I am still two degrees upat impact, so it may get a
little more here in the next dayor so it's.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
It's crazy how, how different a putter will feel too
when you get the, when you'reactually hitting the middle of
the face instead of the bottomof the face, because if, if the
toe's up in the air, you'recatching it on the bottom of the
face and your distance controlin the field is not going to be,
you know what it could be.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
So I think yeah, especially with a carbon.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
I bet you I think just putting itself is just all,
feel like what works for you,what looks good, like it's.
It's such a feel area you haveto cozy one up next to the hole,
or if the smack one or it'ssuch a feel instrument if you
will Right, like it's like if itdoesn doesn't, if it doesn't

(35:20):
work for you in your hands, it's, it's tough to get used to.
You know.
I mean just like uh, butteryflop shots that I do all the
time and put them right next tothe hole.
You know, getting up and downfrom everywhere.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
He's so full of shit yeah joe is joe is five feet off
the green front pin 64 degrees,let's go all day.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
When they go, when they go low, we go high.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Yeah, that's what I say, and I'll watch you do it
all the time and it just I sitthere shaking my head, going
what are you doing, bro?

Speaker 3 (35:55):
90 of the time.
It works every time, but youknow there are those ones that
don't work.
But uh, yeah, that the theputter is is such a feel thing,
man, it's an instrument, right?

Speaker 2 (36:08):
I mean it's for sure you gotta look over it and feel
confident yep well, and that'swhat yeah, we could get into all
that with like people should befit to putters, not putters or
people molding themselves toputters.
You know the putter should fitto the end.
100%.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
What's been your?

Speaker 3 (36:28):
Some people don't agree with that though, yeah
just a couple what's been yourbiggest challenge.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
With Goodwood, would you say biggest challenge, and
with Goodwood, would you say ohman, right now, it's right now
it's this new website anddealing with social media
companies.
It's, but it's serious answer.
It's just, I take a lot ofpride in some of the new designs

(36:55):
Joe or Dan was talking aboutthat.
Um, some of the, some of theone-off designs and everything
like that, and it sometimes it'sa little difficult.
I get so amped up about thisnew design.
I've put a lot of time andeffort into it, and then people
still buy the g7 and they likedon't pay any attention to the
new stuff.
It's demoralizing at times,right, I get it, man, it's not

(37:17):
the worst problem in the worldto have, but yeah, it's, I, I
think so.
It's a combination of that.
And then people it's trying tofigure out what people are
actually interested in.
Or do they care about the factthat I put champers on two of
the edges instead of a radius orsomething like that, like
features that I think are cool?
Um, or do they just want theywant me to like, put the tiger

(37:42):
dots on it and can you make thislook just like a double?
oh, nine, and, and then I'vedone multiple requests, yeah,
with double oh nine stamped intoit and I no, sorry, I can't do
that.
Yeah, it's just always tryingto figure out, like, like, what

(38:04):
people are actually interestedin.
And because it changes, itcertainly changed a lot in the
last, you know, year or two, youknow with the uh, with some
newer, balanced models comingout, and so okay, I want to get
into your place they what?

Speaker 1 (38:22):
say that again?

Speaker 2 (38:24):
I said which they have their place you know, oh,
yeah, absolutely yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Um, I want to get into your your study that you
did.
Um, do you want to get intothat?
Sure, still working on it.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
It's not complete.
I don't think it will ever becomplete, but yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
Because this is available on your website.
So tell people what it is.
I don't want to botch it, sotell people what it is and what
you're doing.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
So basically, it was born out of the idea that a
quote-unquote, zero-tort putteris going to be better for
everyone.
In my experience leading up tothat, I had actually had some
interesting findings with whatworked for me and what was

(39:14):
working for other people that Ihad recommended some high level
players around me and it wasinteresting that we were just
going lighter, more toe hang,less offset, which is just like
going like back in time to what,to what things used to be Right
and sure, absolutely and and.

(39:38):
And it was also born out ofsome conversations that people
had with me when I would post,you know, my opinion of it on
Instagram.
People I had guys who one guywas like an engineer and he's
like it is physically impossiblefor anybody to square up a
putter face as accurately asthey can with a zero torque

(39:59):
putter, with with any otherstyle putter, and I was like,
well, that's, that's patentlyfalse.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Like that's not true?

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Um, people are not machines.
They, they have just uh, jointsand and they rotate like and
they compensate for things, um,and so my study was to compare
what different toe hangs do, um,what the results are in
comparison to zero torqueputters, and and then look at

(40:30):
you know offsets, what.
What are different offsets dofor for how the face rotates?
Um, and so far what I foundI've had a few people come over
and hit a bunch of putts also,but mostly myself, I think on
average, and I was I'm somewhere1200, 1300 putts or something
like that On average of thecharted putts, and I was using

(40:52):
the Vertex sensor.
I don't know if you guys haveheard of that.
Yeah, it's awesome, it's, it'sfantastic.
It's so light and so easy to useand cheap I got excited when I
saw the vertex app on our workipads and I was like, yeah,
please tell me that we'regetting vertex, so it's very,
very interesting yes, so onaverage I think with both my

(41:18):
model, my zero torque model, andone of the lab putters, I was
one degree close at impactrelative to where I started at
address.
So one degree again.
I'm not good at math but if youoff, if you're one degree
closed on a 10 foot.

(41:38):
I think that's missing the hole.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Then, with a putter that had straight down 90
degrees of toe, hang, no offset,like just the most opposite end
of the spectrum, I couldpossibly find 0.2 degrees open
at impact relative to addressconsistently, over and over and
over again, both of them, likeyou know, average of 0.1, and it

(42:08):
was, and it was like it wasn'tlike a huge swing, it wasn't
like, oh, one time I was 0.2close, another time I was too
close.
It was like consistent 0.8,0.91 degree close, like
regularly, um, and it was justlike well, this is interesting.
This clearly doesn't work foreverybody if you have a stroke

(42:30):
and you release it a certain wayor you can't aim something with
three quarters of an inch ofonset and your hands way forward
will then.
It's not for everybody, you know.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
Yeah, so what you're saying is nobody's a robot and
they can't do the same thingevery time and nothing is going
to work for everybody.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Yeah no, there is no magic bullet in golf.
It doesn't exist.
It will work for some people,but it won't work for everybody.
And then the second part of thetest was to compare my zero
torque putter, which is notactually zero torque, like it
would not pass the revealer test, but it is way less torque

(43:13):
biased.
I wanted to compare thosenumbers to the lab putter, which
is obviously perfectly balancedaccording to their standards,
and the results were the same.
Matt did you?

Speaker 3 (43:26):
see this uh comment.
Do you want to throw it upthere?

Speaker 1 (43:28):
yeah, so I, I do you follow beautiful golf courses at
all?
Uh, they're, I might.
They're a huge instagramaccount that they share a lot of
golf, beautiful golf coursesand Mike is a friend of ours.
He says this seems way moreobjective, like something we do
in academic medicine research.
Do you know if lab has everdone a study like this outside

(43:49):
of the Rubeller video?

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Yes, I do oh.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Oh, oh, oh oh.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Oh, oh, oh oh.
Oh man, I'm going to get aphone call or text.
I talked with the guy who didthe original studies with them,
wow, and I feel bad because hewas really nice when he was on,

(44:19):
like he didn't say anything badabout me.
I feel I feel bad.
But there's a reason.
There are no numbers in any ofthe advertising.
That's all I have to say.
There you go, look it is I meandoes anyone does everyone else
notice that oh, that's one ofthe there are no numbers, dude,
one of the biggest comments frompeople that uh, enjoyed my

(44:42):
video.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Not that, not the haters.
The people that actuallyenjoyed and understood what I
was doing.
Tell me the numbers, and I meanthat.
I get that a lot.
So look on the chasing daylightpodcast everyone's all about.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
We're big proponents of use what works for you, what
you like.
If it works for you, then useit.
We're sure massive that's whatwe preach.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
If it works for you, then it works for you, you know
yeah absolutely, I, I, I'm gonnaget steve jackson over the
house because I'm gonna, I'mgonna put some dots on a couple
of his putters and, uh, we'regonna have some fun with that.
I, I, I did, I did my jailbirdtoday, I did the goodwood, I did
my odyssey blade.
Um, I'm gonna do the square tosquare mag stripe tomorrow

(45:36):
afternoon and uh, yeah, so I,I'm, I'm just curious to see.
I, I love, I'm a data data nerd.
I love the data, I love seeingit and I still have I mean, I'm
still learning all that whatthat data means.
I, I mean, I know what thenumbers are, but in conjecture
with your swing, and what itmeans for you personally, that's

(45:59):
, that's what I'm trying to diginto to understand yeah, well, I
mean, everything in golf isdriven by numbers.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
I mean, all anybody talks about is what's your ball
speed, what are your spin rateslike?
How have we gotten to a placewhere yeah, the hottest putter
uses no numbers in their salesand everyone's buying into it
like.
It just doesn't make any senseto me it makes no sense at all

(46:27):
um, that's crazy, and and Ididn't set out to- do this I, I
didn't do this study to likesure, I'm biased and I want to
sell my own.
But when I came out with my ownI I had some spare heads
sitting and I was just like youknow what?
I'm just going to throw a head,or I'm just going to throw a
shaft over the center of gravityor pretty close to it, and I

(46:47):
pre-sold them and they sold outin like 20 minutes.
Like I could just stop makingeverything else and come up with
cool designs for zero torqueputters and I'd probably be
making more money right now.
I mean, it's that hot right now, but I'm no saint, but I I also
don't believe that that's rightfor everyone and and I don't

(47:10):
want to put myself into thatcorner- that's it.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
It's not right for everybody.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
Don't be a one-trick pony, right I there could be a
guy that just whips it aroundand just like trying to throw a
fishing reel, and that's hisfeel, that's not going to work
for him.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Have you guys tried them, used them?
Hit any pucks with them, andnot just labs or anything?

Speaker 1 (47:34):
like that.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Yeah, I haven't done any of the other ones.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
They're stable, they're stable yeah, yeah, I
haven't done it.
There's a little stable.
Um, our friend steven jacksonis a big lab fanboy, loves them,
has all of them, all the models, and I've hit all of them and I
, I for me, just that, far offthe face, the where the shaft
enters, the, the head havingthat much behind or in front of

(48:00):
the shaft is just so unappealingto me.
And then the, the crazy forwardshaft lean.
I just I'm, I just don't, itjust doesn't jive for me, it's
not for me, it's not right now.
They, they feel good and youknow, I, I like I've said I have
no gripe with their putters, Ihave a gripe with a revealer,

(48:23):
right, but yeah, it's just, Imean, it's not for everybody,
it's it's.
I'm one of those people it'sdefinitely not for.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
Yeah, I'm the same way.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
And one of the things that I pointed to was actually
so you hate the onset.
Oh, here's my theory on it andactually so you hate the onset.
Oh, that's my theory on it andit and it's just a theory, I
don't know, but I thinkeveryone's so used to a full
shaft of offset with a plumber'sneck and they're putting sucked
, and they were they just theybuilt up all this like scar

(48:54):
tissue over over that and theyjust like come up with so many
compensations and their strokesand everything like that and all
of a sudden you're giving themsomething that they've never
looked down at before and nowthey have all this onset and
they might have already had thatfor a press and it's just like
holy shit, I'm looking atsomething totally different.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Yeah and a giant like maybe it's just that honeymoon
period.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
It's, it's and maybe it's actually better for people,
but I think there hasn't beenenough attention paid to the
onset portion of it.
I think that's where a lot ofthe success actually does come
from, probably.
It's just something for peopleto look down at.
That's totally different andthey've never seen it before.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Yeah, that's totally different and they've never seen
it before.
Yeah, yeah, I, I saw.
We, we had fittings, uh lastweek and I went over to the
putting green and was rollingsome putts for a little bit and
I saw a guy with a backstrikeputter the odyssey, you know
what, the, the curve where it'smounted in the heel and uh, he
had, he was probably six four5"and he had this putter.

(50:00):
It was broomstick but it cameup to his chin almost and he
stood side saddle and held it infront of him like this and was
putting with it.
It was like wow.
But I mean, that's where puttersare.
So you know, specific to a user, does that putting stroke and

(50:24):
that putter makes sense?
For most people absolutely not.
But dude was rocking it andyeah, I'm sure it was not legal
because it was way too long itwas.
You know, you, uh, it was justwild, it was wild to see.
But I was like I was walking by, I'm going wow, I've seen those

(50:45):
, you know, I know about them,but I've never seen like
somebody playing with one yeah Ithink that's what's so cool
about golf, too is like it's sopersonal, right, like a lab,
especially for you.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
Yeah, that putter is your tool, it's your paintbrush,
right, and it's so specific tothe person.
And they're like you said,there's no magic bullet.
You know, everybody has adifferent stroke and everybody
has a different golf swing, andthat's where the magic of golf

(51:22):
is revealed.
You know, I've I've played golfwith so many different types of
people and just to play golfwith, like somebody that is cool
and gives me a good time, likethat's what really matters at
the end of the day for me.
But putting is so personal, youknow, and it's like use what

(51:42):
works for you, like you wantcustom, you want something that
people are playing.
Putting is a personal endeavorand that's why putting people
pack, practice it all the time,like that's why putting mats are
probably the best trainingtools sold in golf stores

(52:06):
because they can do it in theirhome, you know it's easy to do
it all right, what?

Speaker 2 (52:14):
what's the craziest request you've gotten for a
putter?
Oh, I'd have to think aboutthat one.
I mean copies for sure.
Yeah, like and I'm not just,I'm not talking about just like,
stamp 009 on my putter.
Um, yeah, which I've gotten,that one, um, but like, send me
one of scotty cameron's new likephantom mallets, and they're

(52:37):
like I want you to reproducethis and change these things and
I'm like dudeantom malice andthey're like.
I want you to reproduce thisand change things.
I'm like dude this thing's likeeight pieces, like you, want me
to do a run off.
I put the fear into them ofwhat that number is actually
going to cost or what it'sactually going to be.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
I would love for you to, if you can I mean I don't
have any questions but dive intolike the scotty cameron craze.
I mean I know we talk a lotabout lab nowadays, but scotty's
been around a long time andlike he's copied and like, I
mean like I jump on.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
What are you?

Speaker 3 (53:18):
doing.
No, I'm trying.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
There's like a gnat yeah, I've noticed in that too
he's doing all this.
I'm like what are you doing?

Speaker 3 (53:25):
it's driving me crazy , but anyway, like you know,
it's like he's copied.
I mean, karsten was a legend,of course, but like scotty is of
course, a legend, and I and Iknow a lot of people like lab is
the topic right now, but likescotty is considered a legend.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Like I'm curious, I and however, you want in there,
joe yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
however, you want to take it like I don't understand
the scot craze, and that's me.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
That's the lab craze too.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
There we go, so that's what I wanted to get into
, because Jeremy's not here andhe's a huge, huge Scotty fan and
I just don't get it Likepersonally, I do not understand
it at all and I'm just curiouson your thoughts on that.
That's all I was getting at.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
His older stuff.
Um, before I knew about a lotof different makers like
definitely his earlier stuff andand still I appreciate his
older.
I shoot.
I probably have like 15 or 20camerons, I'm not gonna lie I
have them, they're.
They're the old oil cans or the,or the trillion and all the
older ones are old, circa 62sand stuff like that, all the old

(54:41):
ones, um, the carbon stuff backin the day, sure, sure, yeah.
And super light, um, yeah now.
Now it's just it's gotten moreabout, like it seems that it's
gotten especially especiallywith the blades.
It's just like make a slightchange to the neck, but it's

(55:01):
mostly like come up with a coolname for something Like we're
going to call it toe flow andwe're going to call this one a
jet neck and we're going to.
You know, it's a lot ofmarketing, it's a lot of
marketing and he's been verysuccessful at it.
And that's why I think there'ssuch a craze with lab now is
here's the?
Here's the question I, I, I'vebeen asking people lately, so I

(55:24):
think this is it with camerontoo.
What sells cameron?
Is it the actual putter or isit the message and the name
behind it?
Like if you were to apply apercentage to either one and
then do the same with lab.
For me, I think lab is at least75% of the message, if not more
.
If you had no marketingmaterial and you had all the

(55:48):
putters sitting out on a shelf,which one are you going to pick
up?
Probably not the lab right, butbecause people know the message
, they pick it up.
Same thing with Cameron Likethere are a lot of pretty things
out there, and I think that'swhat it is.
Tiger used it.
The right people have usedCameron's too.

Speaker 4 (56:12):
And that's what a lot of it is.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
Yeah, it was tour-proven, and then you get
the collectors in there and thenyou know you find out that
circle t's are going for five,six, ten thousand dollars and
you're like, oh, maybe if thisthis 299, one off the rack at
golf galaxy uh maybe I'll havethat same aura.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
That's the thing, though, like ping has a vault of
gold putters from theirtournaments, right, and scotty
has a bunch of wins right, andthat's that's before.
They mass produced like who isnext?
Because there's going to besomebody, yeah, that actually

(56:58):
builds it personallyspecifically for you and brands
and like who's going to have thenext ping vault.
You know that actually.
No, and that's what I'm no,that's what I'm saying is Scotty
went from carbon to GSS.

(57:18):
I do not like GSS, feel at allpersonally Carbon.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Can you tell the difference?
I'm going to challenge you onthat.
I bet in a blind test you couldnot tell the difference between
regular stainless GSS andcarbon.
Yeah, magnet, it's a magnet.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
I feel my magnetized thing not go on it.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Well, he's talking about the GSS.

Speaker 4 (57:39):
I'll talk about the GSS when you're hitting a putt.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
I do have, but if they were the same swing weight
maybe I could.
But I have two high-end puttersand they're probably different
swing weights and I do not likethe feel of one of them at all.
I'm not going to call thatbrand out at all.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Um, no, carbon long neck that matt's got sitting
over there no, no, I love thefeel of it.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
It's just too heavy.
Yeah, that's carbon, that'scarbon.
Uh, I have a stainless steelputter that I I like.
I love what it represents and Ilove the creator it came from.
I cannot play it.
I'm never playing it.
We've messed with it a bunch.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Logan did this one for me, nice, and I absolutely
love it.
But I cannot putt with it.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
I make some really cool putters that I can never
putt with.
I've tried so many timesputters that I can never putt
with.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
I mean it's yeah, yeah.
I've tried so many times.
It's so personal, that's thething that's, it's personal, not
.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
There's no silver bullet, exactly out of your
mouth, exactly what you said,right?
No, several bullet hey dave.

Speaker 4 (58:52):
Uh, speaking of making cool putters, are you
ever going to do a like a heelshafted like 8802 style putter?

Speaker 2 (59:02):
I get those requests.

Speaker 4 (59:04):
So, dude, I love that putter.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
In its simplicity.
It should be like.
It's like the simplest thingright.
Getting the proportions and thedesign just right is the
hardest putter to get right,like it's wild to think about.
But there are no flat surfacesother than the face, and then
you have to mold the heel and itall has to make sense.
And I've tried it a few timesand I just get frustrated and

(59:30):
just delete it and like juststart over, and I never come up
with one that I was actuallyhappy with.
At some point I will, but andthen and then machining
something like that as one pieceis incredibly difficult I've
heard a lot of the old originalnappas that amaran made were
actually two-piece and thenwelded and smoothed out and you

(59:52):
couldn't tell I could see thatit just it makes so much more
sense time-wise.
Well, and what machiningcapabilities were back when he
was making?
Those are certainly not whatthey are today.
Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
All right, hang on, we got some things here.
So Mike said the guys on tourare neurotic OCD professionals,
obsessed with numbers and data.
Every one of them on the rangeis a track man and every shot,
looking at data, we got that one.
There's a reason the bestputters on tour aren't using a
lab.
That's true.
Yeah, um, although ricky did,ricky did have a good weekend

(01:00:27):
this past weekend.
He, he was six and strokes gameputting.
It was funny.
Amanda boleyn balionis calledhim out on it and and he was
like she goes, you were 116thbut you're sixth this week and
he's like well, that's a littlebetter.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Yeah, so they've had some wins in good weeks right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
I mean yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Well, sometimes I put good, Sometimes I put like shit
, and they do the same thing.
Man, you know, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Brooks is asking what's the best putter ever
created in your guys' opinion?
That's a loaded question, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
God, this new mallet I am.
Ah there you go, there you goand Show that off, show it off.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Here, let me get you.
You want to see mine I'll showyou mine If you're a carbon fan.
Let's do this here.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
There we go.
So mine doesn't have any.
I didn't add any of themarkings yet, but it's just,
it's raw, rusty carbon steel.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
I don't know how well you can say that Rusty carbon
steel, there we go.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
But the solid aluminum top, my.
My concept with these was likeyou get this really nice, like
it's really nice, like uh,aluminum black finish on top and
everything like that and reallynice machine.
Top side it looks technical orwhatever and then underneath you

(01:01:57):
have like old school rust likethat's.
So it's just like kind of likea combination of those two
things and then you take itapart and you can swap out the
weights inside.
So I'm really excited aboutthose.
Those are my, those are my newfavorites.
For sure are you going to?

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
do any other different types of necks on
those, or is it only going to belike a double bin?

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
not, oh, oh, yeah, no , so that's the thing you can
like.
This one's got a short sign onit, so everyone actually gets
your choice of welded neck yeah,I've already done a long neck
on one.
I've done, uh, a regularplumber's neck, yeah, and I
offer them in stainless and andcarbon that's why I love it,

(01:02:40):
that's why I like it.
Somebody that makes it for youpersonalized any alignment aid
on top too, so I can do likeperpendicular lines and parallel
lines and you know all thatstuff, so triple track very
limited, very limited quantitiesright now available on my
website nice, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
What are those?
What are those going for?
Like typical build?

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
so the order process is a little bit different than
my normal ones.
Right now you actually go to mystore page um 25 is just like
the initial thing, Like so thatI know you're serious about
wanting one.
Once you submit the $25, youpay out through my store.
Then I send you the order form,which is a little bit different

(01:03:27):
than my normal ones, and Ithink the balance on that's a
five 75.
So there are 600.
Yeah.
But, very like I said, verylimited prototype models.
Everybody loves a putter thatsays prototype on it somewhere.
But, seriously, they are thevery first ones.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
How thick is that sole plate, like the carbon one
that you have on there?
How, or any one of them, Iguess it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Actually here's a.
So this is?
This is a blank piece withoutany neck, obviously without the
top, with no finish on it it'snot as beefy as it looks no,
it's, it's pretty compact umwhat's the?

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
what's the head weight on the stainless version?

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
So it depends on what neck style you get.
If you get a plumber's neck Iput it in the description I got
to remember If you get aplumber's neck with no weights
in it, so sorry, real quick,there are stainless and tungsten
weights, so you can docombinations of the two or leave

(01:04:37):
no weights in it.
I think if you have like aplumber's neck with no weights
in it, somewhere around like 335um, and then the tungsten
weights are 15 and a half gramseach, so so there's a pretty
wide variety, and then there'salso space in here.
If you want to throw lead tapein here, you can.
Oh, yeah, bump it up as much asyou want, very easily, yeah oh,

(01:05:01):
you can get.
Yeah, so that that was kind ofthe idea is just to, and then
you can put you know by movingthe weights, you know, versus
heel, versus toe, you'reactually moving that cg around a
little bit and it mightslightly adjust some of the toe
hang as well.
Might slightly adjust some ofthe toe hang as well, so damn
cool, congrats on that one it'sbeen pretty popular so far.

(01:05:26):
Yeah, yeah, it's been prettypopular.
But again, kind of like I wassaying before, one of the
hardest parts is everybody stillwants to buy a standard G7.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
No, that's what you need to do is, when they click
on the order g7, it just takesyou to that other butter are you
sure?

Speaker 4 (01:05:42):
are you sure you don't?

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
want this one, are you, but have you seen this?

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
right, I actually there.
There is one other one that Ihave.
We just finished up theprototype one that I can't speak
too much of, but so I do allthe design work for my friend um
, who owns longbow putters, sohe's a broomstick.
Oh yeah, um, you talk aboutmeeting interesting people.

(01:06:09):
Um, his name's zach miller.
He went to stanford and won thenational championship in 2007
as their captain.
Like how many people can saythat that's pretty cool?
And so he, randomly, he movesfrom California to Baltimore in
2020.

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
And I randomly Obey obey.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
OG, OG.
So now we've been makingputters together for a while.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
So now we've been making putters together for a
while, but we have a new onecoming out that we talk about.
Maybe the zero torque thingdoesn't work for you, or maybe
you need some face balance, ormaybe you need some toe hang.
Well, we're going to have aputter where you're going to be
able to select all of thatyourself.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
You want some work.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Like changing some you can have max torque.
Like changing some, you canhave max torque too, but
basically a contraption thatwill allow you to change the
shaft position and balancewithout buying a whole new
putter.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
So I'm really excited about those.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
And then we're going to do a smaller, co-branded
counterbalance version of thatas well.
All right, let's go through thegolf bag, and then we're going
to do a smaller, co-brandedcounterbalance version of that
as well.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
So, All right.
Let's go through the golf bag.
What's what's in your?
What are you playing tonowadays?

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
I don't play.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
You don't play at all .

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
Not much.
No, I just left, I was at aclub for a while, and I just
left at the end of last year.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
So what's the cobwebs on the bag?

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
The QI10 driver with the Tori ID.
I forget the orange and blackone.
I don't remember which model itis Ping G25 3-wood, I believe
Ping G25 hybrid, and I just gota new set of older 2023 T200s.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Jeremy would be proud .

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Tailor-made wedgesges .
I forget which models they are.
They're the ones with the rawfaces in them.
Um, but the only club thatreally matters yeah, right,
there, there it is.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
What is your, what's your hidden gems around you?
Are you close to like bull rock?
I mean, I would assume you'reclose to Bull Rock, right, tully
Rock?

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
yeah, Tully Rock yeah , I mean yeah.
So that had the McDonald's.
That was one of the LPGA majorsfor years, played that many
times.
It's a P-Tie course.
If you like P-Tie, you'll likeit.
If you don't like P-Tie, you'llabsolutely hate it, hate it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
As with most of his courses that hate it.
As with most of his courses,that course old Matt gave me.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Yeah, they could have a tour event at that place if
they tipped it out, because it'sbrutally long and it's right
next to the water, so that it'ssoaked constantly.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
Oh, he still has it.
I figured that was on whatnotalready.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
No, this is not going on, whatnot?
No, this one won't go on,whatnot?

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
So that is a range flag that was flown at the P-Di
course that is signed by P-Di.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
There we go.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Yeah, very cool.
Joe loves P-Di.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
BCC is probably top of the list here and then Caves
Valley They've had the BMW out,which I think it's coming back
to again, and then I've beenfortunate enough to play
Lancaster a few times, whichjust had one of the.
Was that the league?

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
How was that?
That's my favorite course.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
It's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Have you done much traveling.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
No, I pretty much stick in this area.
I love bent grass and I neverwant to play on anything else.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
I don't blame you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
I love elevation changes I have zero interest in
going down to Florida andplaying golf on home-line golf
courses.
I just have no interest in it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
There's a few, but I get you, we're golf course nerds
too.

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
I'm going to say I'm impressed.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
That's good for me, I've heard, Michigan has some
really really good courses.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
Dan's going to.

Speaker 4 (01:10:36):
Michigan.
I go to Michiganigan onthursday um real quick dave,
have you played french creek?

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
I haven't no, okay, that's the only course I played
out in that area?

Speaker 4 (01:10:59):
what?
Area it's um, I think it's nearelverson.
That's um like, uh, it's inbetween westchester and
lancaster oh, okay, got it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
Yeah, no, I haven't.
So, yeah, that's, that's moretowards going out towards philly
yeah, it's closer to philly.

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
I went out there for the US Open at Marion and a
buddy of mine he was atailor-made rep.
He was a tailor-made rep outthere and he got us onto French
Creek.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
A lot of tailor-made talk on the show tonight.
I'm not a fan of that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
They're a bunch of really good courses up there.
Everybody knows the, the highlevel courses like philly
cricket and some of these otherplaces.
But there are a lot of countryclubs up there that are like
super high dollar, that peopledon't even know about and
they're like tilling housedesigns and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
It's crazy, dude perfect there's so many like
underground spots that peopledon't even know that are so sick
yeah, mike was in the valleyarea.
I forgot that that's what Ilove about that area.
Man like, like, yeah, I saidand raven so much cool like
field stone, like you heard ofthe field stone and I forgot

(01:12:10):
about that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
One was like whoa, yeah, this place is awesome yeah
it's got ruins.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
It's got like ruins of old times, man.
There's so much incrediblestuff up there, man.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
Well, hey, you got anything else you want to do.
You haven't played any desert.
Well, get your ass out to Vegas, come on.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
I'm going to Vegas.
It's a marketing trip.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
Just write it off.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
We have bent grass out here there is, believe it or
not, a couple of spots.
Yeah, trip, just write it off.
We have bent grass out here,there is believe it or not, a
couple yeah elevation of

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
course, just a little , just a little yeah, of course
yeah, just it's.
It's a marketing trip.
Just tell your accountant hey,I gotta go to vegas, it's, it's
research there's research andit's research.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
I like that go out there and do some more putter
studies.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
I have to go see how this finish handles the 110
degree heat and no humidity.

Speaker 4 (01:13:06):
So it's it's very important I get out there.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
yeah, we have people coming out here now that they
know June is coming and we'realready hitting 100 degrees.
And you know, I look on mythermometer and I have my house
and it's like the backyard it's103, 1% humidity.

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
It's amazing no humidity.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
That's why I wanted this raw.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
It'll look like this forever.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
It was like 40 degrees outside today.
It's like fall.
I love it.
I love't know It'll look likethis forever.
It was like 40 degrees outsidetoday.
It's like fall.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
It's just supposed to be warmer by now.
It'll be hot before we know it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
So you got anything else you want to throw out there
to the millions of listeners?
We have millions, I'd say no, Idon't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
Um yeah, just uh.
Unless you guys have any otherquestions about real nerdy stuff
or design stuff, I can alwaystalk about that do you have a
head shape that you prefer?

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
I mean, I know you got the new mallet and you're
pushing that clearly, but do youhave something that like if, if
you only can make one putter orgoodwood, what would it be?

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
for sales, just the g7 just the g7, if it's my like.
That's the one that sells, forsure, but I would actually say
the M1 that Dan has.
That's actually what I used upuntil this new mallet that I
came up with.
It's it's not a huge mallet,it's not a thin blade.

(01:14:54):
I can add any kind of weldedneck to it.
It's symmetrical, so I can makeit left-handed too.
It's got enough room on itwhere I can add weight with a
neck or I can take weight out ofthe sole of it.
It's just one of the bestmodels that I think I've come up
with.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
Did you self-teach?

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
yourself welding too.
Teach yourself welding too.
That is one thing I do not do.
I can do it, but every weldingjob that I have is to clean up
some stamping mistake, and thenI'm machining over it or sanding
it down so you can't see it.
No, I, I, I have a buddy who,uh, lives close by, who does my

(01:15:32):
welding for me, because he knowswhat he's doing.

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
So yeah, I did have a question before we get out of
here.
It's really good yes, mythoughts on logan olsen's
fitting style.
Did you see that video todaywhere it's the back that you can
change and you throw theweights in?
Did you see that today or no?

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
you want to see something uh, yes, of course
something I came up with like ayear ago yes, so I honestly, I I
did come up with a g7, actuallythat has, uh, an entire
backside that comes off, has aninsert that you can swap out
with different materials insidewhen you pull off the bumpers.

(01:16:21):
There are actually holes inhere, so I have cylinder weights
that are actually clamshelledinside so you can adjust the
weight.
And then, uh, joe, a long neckjust for you this is, but you
can change to something else,wow, and you can go straight to

(01:16:43):
a flow neck if you'd like to Wow.
No, I didn't see the video,sorry, I just had to share my
version because I saw it and ofcourse I'm like I got one of
those sitting right here.
We'll send it to you.
I also saw a video recentlythat had his um said like step

(01:17:05):
inside my office or something orwhatever, and it showed like
his work area.
Do you look up, if you look atthe models on the uh two cnc
machines that he has?
Look up the Look up the pricetags on those things?

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
Just a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
Yeah, not my budget, not my league.
What he came up with is reallyclean.
I think that's the way thingsare going in the putter industry
.
Aside from the zero torquething, I think, honestly, a lot
of the stamping has been playedout.
All the designs are taken.
Now it's going to be likewhat's the functionality of it,

(01:17:42):
how can it be adjusted to fitmore people and how can the end
user change things?
So yeah, Not one.
How easy is it now to swap out adriver shaft or a three-wood
shaft or a hybrid shaft orwhatever, or have like a sliding
weight on the bottom of it?
I mean there's there's noreason.
That is going to be in puttersas well yeah, yeah, that is the

(01:18:05):
future.

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
All right, what's this here?
Uh, I got another question.
If you had a game, one golfbrand, for the rest of your life
, what would it be?
I'll say driver all the way toputter, oh goodness, hey
goodness, hey, shout out Brooksman.

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
I think he's a whatnot buyer.
Right, that's Brooks Golf right.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
Shout out Brooks.
Thanks for the questions.
We love the questions.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
Love it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
Oh man, I would have to think about that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Are you guys going to answer this too?

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
Oh yeah, national customs through the bag, yeah,
customs through the bag.
All national customs Persimmon.
National customs Larson.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
Thanks, brooks, appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
Is that like the custom?
Yeah, Larson.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
I have to go Larson, larson, driver persimmon, and
then national customs all theway down.
They make putters too.
No, goodwood putter, goodwoodputter, sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
You broke the rules already.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
Yeah, you broke the rules with the first pick.
Oh man, I don't know if I coulddo.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
I support the ones that support us.
That's.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
That's what I'm about I mean I, I, it would be a
toss-up between titleist andmizuno for me, honestly because
I think I could play the woods.
I would have to say you know?

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
legally I could play mizuno woods I don't think I
would never.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
Well, they're good, never, wow, they're good,
they're good, but if I had toplay, like, if I were good
enough to play on tour, like Icould sign a Mizuno contract,
like and I wouldn't hate it.
I feel like.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
I'd be happy to.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
They don't pay their players, though right, Isn't
that true?
They don't.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
I don't think they have a full.
No, they a full.
They pay their players, it'sjust their deals are a little
bit different in the structure.
You can get just an iron dealor something like that whereas.
Callaway.
It's typically, you got thefull bag deal.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
Same thing with Tuggeras and stuff I mean me,
I'd have to lean towardsCallaway right now, because
that's what I'm playing andthat's what I'm comfortable with
.

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
Company man, I do like the new man.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
Hey, we're talking everything, though you know
drivers, fairway woods, irons,wedges, putters, I mean uh,
don't even get it started.

Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
It's a bad question for matt brooks it's a bad
question for Matt.
He's a psycho.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
Does Callie make any?

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
smooth-faced steel putters.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
Not anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
No inserts, no, none of that stuff.
See, that's why I call it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
Callie See, okay.
So how do you feel aboutinserts?
Inserts suck right.
It depends on what the materialis.
So how do you feel aboutinserts?

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Inserts suck right, I don't like inserts.
Depends on what the material is.
I'm not a big fan of a lot ofthe aluminum inserts and the
polymer inserts.
I think if you want to do likelike, I think it'd be cool to do
like a carbon head with astainless insert or vice versa,
or whatever.
I think that would be cool, orif you want to use copper or
something, but I'm not a big fanof the aluminum inserts and the

(01:21:21):
polymer ones, yeah, just not mything.
I've seen a lot of them getdented.
Uh, the aluminum ones or or theyeah, or the epoxy or however
they're connecting them.
People leave their clubs intheir trunks.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
105 degree heat out there and you know the dan, you
probably know the stx puttersthat had that rubber face.
I do.
I had a, a friend who had theone that looked like it was
weird, like a t right yep and,and the face on it was like
curling off of it and he wouldstill play it bro, you're not

(01:21:56):
even, what are you doing.
And he's like don't care.
And he rolled that thingforever.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
Those were made, made right by here, not far from me
yeah, this is a lacrosse brand,you know, and yeah, that's the
big thing around here is thislittle stuff oh, my daughter got
into lacrosse as she got intohigh school.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
That is a crazy sport , crazy sport.
Well, hey, man, I know it'ssuper late for you.
I thank you so much for stayingup late with us and having you
on the show.
You're welcome to come backanytime you ever want to chat,
and I encourage everybody to goto the goodwood website.
Uh, explore it.
Look at all the differentoptions that he has on there.

(01:22:44):
Uh, read the.
What's the case that?
Is it a case study or what doyou have?
What's it labeled as?

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
yeah, it's, it's the case study or something, one of
the tabs on my website.
It's I need to update and do abetter job with it, but but if
you like numbers, there's just agiant spreadsheet there and
some of my thoughts along withit that you can look at.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
So and what's your patreon about?

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
so the patreon account I haven't been
advertising too much because I'mworking on a new website that
will have its own subscriptionthing, but what you can do is
actually it's five dollars amonth.
I do a custom ball markergiveaway every week, um so like
I.
I just sit around and come upwith something cool Some I've

(01:23:28):
made, some that look likeRolexes and some that look like
Copenhagen tin cans and stufflike that, and it's always
something different I come upwith it.
So every week I do a randomdrawing for that.
Then once a month I give aputter a full custom build
putter giveaway.
You go on fill out the orderform For the price of a dozen

(01:23:53):
provies for the year you'reentered to win all those things.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
So Sounds like a deal and then I actually have it and
then you get.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
you also get um first look at new models.
So you have first look andfirst right to buy for like two
or three weeks before I releaseit out to the public as well.
So I feel like it's a good deal, so yeah it is for five bucks a
month, that's it's.
It's not a place where, like,I'm releasing, like it's not a

(01:24:25):
podcast thing or video stuff.
Like a lot of people usepatreon, it's strictly for the
giveaway things if people areinterested in in having a chance
to win some stuff or or want tobe able to see new models.
Like that's what it's there for.
I'm not real active on it, soyou go on there expecting to see
a bunch of content from me likethat's not what it's for.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
So well, your instagram I don't have time for
the content thing that's, that'swhatnot proud like.
Are you doing joe's a whatnotlunatic right now?
So, um, have you.
Are you doing Joe's a whatnotlunatic right now?
So have you.
Are you doing all your socials?
Is it all you?
Yeah, yeah, awesome, that's.
That is difficult.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
That is difficult.
Yeah, it is a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
It is a lot, so kudos to you for that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
When it's time to hire somebody, it's customer
service and social media.
Those are the first two things,without a doubt.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
Dude and I know, with the Vegas Golf Network and the
podcast and everything, I'm soanti anybody else having
anything to do with it.
I don't want to give somebodythe ability to help me because
then they're not doing what Iwould do.
So it's, it's very I'm the sameone.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
Yeah, it's very challenging.

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
So congrats on all your success with that, because
that's, that's a, that's anotherjob in itself hell yeah, it is,
especially with the way todayis so yeah, yeah all right, man.
Well, thanks so much again forcoming on.
Uh, like I said, everybody, gocheck out the website.
You want to get a putter billsend in that 25 bucks.

(01:26:06):
Get on the list.
Uh, get your orders in andhe'll take care of you.
The work is amazing.
We absolutely love them and Iencourage anybody if you're in
the market for an amazing putterby an amazing craftsman at a
fantastic price, incrediblequality.
I mean, just look at this.
It speaks for itself.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
That's mine, sick.
I love it so much that's justnow mine.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
I have two Goodwoods now.
I have cameras at the house, soI know when joe will be here
it's got, three dan's got three.
Uh, all right, joe.
Oh, look at that, you've got acouple more yeah all right, joe,
do your thing, take us away andlet's get out of here guys.

Speaker 3 (01:26:52):
Thank you for tuning in.
Hey, go support goodwood, gosupport craftsmen and like
people that are doing good workin the golf community and on,
like sick man, worry about thepeople that support you.
We support the people thatsupport us.
So go check these brands out.

(01:27:13):
Man.
Goodwood, I love my butter.
It's so sick.
Go get something handcraftedmade for you.
We'll catch you next time.
So sick to have you on.
Goodwood dave, you're the man.
Hopefully we get to play golfat some point until next week.
We will catch you later.
We'll see you next time, thankyou.

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