345: From Sudbury to the PGA. Kurt Kowaluk's Journey

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Speaker 1 (00:22):
What is up everybody?
Welcome to another episode ofthe Chasing Daylight podcast.
American flags are flying, it'sRyder Cup preview show and we
have brought in a special guest,kurt.
Is it pronounced Kowalik?
Is that the?

Speaker 2 (00:39):
proper way to say it.
You did very well.
That's amongst the best I'veheard, yep.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Right on.
So Kurt is a caddy out on thePGA Tour and live, and I'm sure
you've probably caddied a lot ofother places as well.
But I wanted to bring Kurt onbecause we've well, we've wanted
to have him on for a while andhe has some great you know,
professional golf insights, andso we're going to have him on

(01:06):
for this whole episode.
He's going to be here chattingwith us.
If you have any questions, hangon.
Let me get the.
Uh, let me get our weeklygiveaway stream going here
behind the scenes.
There we go.
Um, if you have any comments forkurt or you have any questions,
please throw them in the chat.
Uh, we'll throw them up onthere.
We'll try and get as manyanswered as we can.
If you do have any questions,we're going to talk a little bit

(01:29):
about his life as a caddy andthen we'll get into some Ryder
Cup action.
We'll talk a little bit aboutMitch's revenge in Coyote
Springs.
Kurt got to experience CoyoteSprings for the first time
yesterday and they had the samepins that we played, so he got
to play his own little mitch'srevenge.
But before we get into that, Ijust want to say real quick

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how are you doing, kurt?

Speaker 2 (04:38):
I'm doing well, thank you.
Thanks for having me no problem, excited to be here amongst the
uh, four amateur golfers fromlas vegas dude shut up bio dude,
it's so funny, like it.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
It's so funny how we met you too, like just to become
part of, like the vegas golfnetwork, and the crew, like just
at the shriners yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
So you remember that, like I mean, yeah, I had to
have been, at least if it wasn'ttwo years ago, it was three
years ago, I think it was three.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah, it was two or three.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
And you were like, yeah, I run this, you know
amateur golf tour, blah, blah,blah.
And I was like, damn, I wish Itravel so much.
And people are like, oh, youstill play hockey?
I said, yeah, I still playhockey.
I just go to like themid-afternoon like rando driving

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range sessions at the ice rink,you know.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
Yeah, big.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Shorzy guy over here.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Why don't?
Oh, are you, you're nice.
Do you watch Shorzy?
Oh yeah, well, so I'm fromSudbury, do you?

Speaker 1 (05:44):
watch Jersey.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
Oh yeah, well, so I'm from.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Sudbury.
Oh nice, Shut up.
No joke, Shut the fuck up.
That's my hometown, and I wasthe referee when I was a kid too
.
So like it is just, oh my God,it's pulling on all the
heartstrings, like, yeah, thatarena that they, the arenas they

(06:06):
play in, were like arenas thatI grew up playing in.
Oh, dude, that's gotta get theheartstrings.
Oh, that's all the restaurants,all that stuff is all the all
right for my hometown wild.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Oh my god, I thought it was a fake town.
No, it's a real deal.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Oh, that's amazing like even the names of the bars
yeah, the blueberry but yeah soand they're like, oh, like, why
don't you join the league?
Like there's so many greatleagues in Vegas and I'm like,
well, I'm away 30 plus weeks ayear, like nobody wants a goalie
.
Nobody wants a goalie, who, youknow, stops every other shot

(06:36):
and only shows up, you know,once every four weeks.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
So that's why I don't do that.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
And that's why at the time when I met you guys, I
didn't play like anythingorganized, I was just doing the
random.
You know, when I was home I'dplay with, like if I had a buddy
who's a member, say at tbcsummerlin or red rock or dragon
ridge, you know, just hopefullythe hopefully the guy in the
golf shop that day I I knew anduh, and he charged me a cart fee
or something like that yeah, alittle yeah exactly.

(07:07):
I remember the reason last timeright.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
I'm good right.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
I'm good right, so how?

Speaker 1 (07:16):
did you.
By the way, if anybody is ahockey fan and you have not
watched Shorzy go?

Speaker 2 (07:21):
watch.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Letterkenny and then watch Shorzy, because it's some
of the best TV you can watch.
I mean, it is absolutelyfantastic.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah, it's great.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
I'm behind on it, so I need to catch up.
It's funny.
I did probably, I would say,two years ago.
I started having people, or Istarted saying I'm from Sudbury,
when people would say, whereare you from?
Oh, I'm from Canada, and thenthey'd kind of be like, give you
that excited, like, oh,whereabouts.
And I'd be like, oh, you knowkind of near Toronto, and

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they're like, oh, really, likewhat area?
And I'm like, oh, so you'vebeen to Toronto a couple times.
They're like, oh yeah, I'vebeen up there a bunch of times.
Oh, I'm actually from Sudbury,which is about two, two and a
200 miles North, and they'relike, they're like no way,
that's where.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
So then, after it happened, like maybe five times
or the next 10 times, likesomebody I just like I'm going
to just say it from Sudbury andI was like some rando golfer and
is like wait, you're fromSudbury.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
And I'm like why are you watching?

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Shorzy.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Like how deep into Hulu or wherever you're going.
It went from do you know Drake?
To like do you?

Speaker 5 (08:38):
watch Shorzy real quick.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
That's the Canada.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Or Shorzy yeah that's the, the canada.
Yeah, so how did?
How did you get involved incaddying?

Speaker 2 (08:52):
um, so I was, um, I was okay at golf and, in my
quest um to just continueplaying golf as long as I could,
uh, you know, just through thejunior ranks, went and played
college golf at the universityof Wyoming.
Um, and I followed a juniorgolf buddy who was winning all
the tournaments.

(09:13):
His name was David Hearn and,uh, so he started in 97 at
Wyoming and I started 98 atWyoming and it was kind of like
that was the like when you goback in your life and you see
all the forks in the road thatyou've had and they brought you
to where you're at.
Like, that was the one Catalyst, catalyst.
There you go.
I love this guy.

(09:33):
I got you there, hey, for a guywho got 925 and it only took 900
to get into Wyoming on the SAT.
I like you, yeah.
So, uh, you know, choosing togo to school there and follow
David David was one of the topjuniors in Canada, um, and so
following him and just kind ofbeing being able to hang around

(09:57):
them and see how you know howgood players practice and all
that stuff so got a little bitbetter.
Um, didn't really do a wholelot in college until my fifth
year, but there wasn't COVIDback then.
Okay, so there I had a fifthyear but it wasn't COVID.
I had like a my first year whereI my stroke average was 78.5.
So it was kind of like a COVIDyear.

(10:17):
The, the, the coach, was likewe're going to register you next
year, you're going to keep yourscholarship and then you can
just play in your fifth year ofschool.
Um, I was like sounds amazing.
So, yeah, it was kind of a longwinter in laramie, but uh and
this is a really long story so Ifollowed david there.
We became closer buddies.

(10:38):
He's playing on the pga tour acouple years after graduating.
I'm shooting 74 on the minitours which everybody knows here
is a nice score when you'replaying against your buddies in
an amateur.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Vegas Golf Network yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Vegas Golf Network.
That is a really tough course.
I mean to finish maybe fourthor fifth that would get you.
You've got to shoot 60.
What are you shooting, dan?

Speaker 4 (11:05):
Not me.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Let's say it's a long one.
David says, hey, do you want tocome to Florida next week?
And it was Saturday and I hadjust taken a job sharpening
hockey skates in Sudbury,ontario, home of the Blueberry
Bulldogs.
And so, no joke, this is 2005.
I'm 25, um, I'm at home, I'meating a bowl of cereal, the

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phone rings.
My dad says hey, david's on thephone.
So I pick up the phone.
It's 8 30, I gotta work at like10 am, uh, sharpening skates,
and uh, he goes, can you meet mein florida?
And I was like, yeah, yeah,sure, like, when he said, oh,
next week, so I'm like it'sSaturday morning, so I'm like
you mean, you mean like in twodays he goes.
Yeah, there's like a.
At the time it was called theFunai Classic, it was at Disney,

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and long and the short, I justthe next day I flew down to
Florida.
So I, I, I worked that shiftand then the guy who owned the
sports store I was working atwas actually one of the guys who
sponsored me to play some minitour events.
So he was.
He totally knew my heart was ingolf.
So when I told him I was goingto go, like I can go away for a
few weeks.
I did that one.

(12:13):
I did the Funai in 2000,.
Like it's actually 20 years iscoming up this month, in our
next month, in October, um.
So I did uh, orlando, and thenwe went for the uh Katrina,
delayed or postponed uh SouthernFarm Bureau Classic in Jackson,
so, which is actually I'm goingto that tournament next week,

(12:33):
um, just for, like a, a 20thyear anniversary, b I think it's
going to be the last tournament.
I don't maybe I'm misspeakingby saying that, but someone I
know within the tour told methat the that was going to be
their last tournament.
I don't maybe I'm misspeakingby saying that, but someone I
know within the tour told methat the that was gonna be their
last tournament.
So I'm hoping to go back andplay Avondale, uh, uh, which is
where the Southern Farm Bureauwas 20 years ago, anyway.

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So I went to those tournaments.
David didn't do all that well,uh, he asked me if I wanted to
then continue on.
We went to Houston and he wentto the q school, uh, to like I
guess it would have been secondstage of q school at that time
and didn't make it to finals.
So all he had was, um cornfairy status the next year and
at the time it was thenationwide um.

(13:15):
So yeah, that was the start ofit.
And then, once the q schooldidn't go all that well, um, you
know, I think that our firsttournaments in the new year were
like in new zealand oraustralia than new zealand, so
yeah, so that was that was likeI'm gonna, I'm gonna start
caddying, like we kind ofcommitted to caddy farm for the

(13:35):
whole year on the, on the uhnationwide yeah and that was, uh
, that was a really long timeago, so that's what I kind of
curious about, that Like it'slike so you, just you, while
you're out there, right, becauseyou didn't end there, right.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
So like you're just talking to people and you create
relationships and like golfbeing golf, you just meet people
through the love of the gameand like handshake and, you know
, eating a runza with someone inNebraska or whatever, whatever
it is like you're just you'reout there creating relationships
, right and right, cause that itdidn't stop there and that's

(14:13):
golf.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yeah, no, a hundred percent, yeah, it's.
Uh, that was, that was like myfirst.
Uh, that was my first time,kind of like understanding that
you know what can come of it,Because you know you work your
butt off, you work your butt off, you work your butt off, and
then you're not really that goodat golf in the scheme of the

(14:34):
people you're hanging aroundwith.
You know what I mean.
So, yeah, and I just my nextjob was a guy that David would
play practice rounds with and Ijust my next job was a guy that
David would play practice roundswith and got a lucky break
headed to the PGA Tour the nextyear after counting for a guy
who didn't keep his card.
The guy, 48-year-old rookie, JimRutledge.

(14:55):
His wife is going to beundergoing some cancer treatment
in that next year, so he getshis card and it turns out that
she's not going to be able totravel with him as much.
So, bang, he needs, he wants acaddy.
Yeah, that's how I got, that'show I got to my first taste of
the PGA Tour, which is really,if that year doesn't happen, I

(15:17):
probably don't stick with itbecause, like the nationwide
wasn't all that fast.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
It's a grind like the nationwide wasn't all that
grind, it's a grind.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
oh yeah, I mean the PGA Tour and like, see what,
like these are the courses Iwatched on television.
I didn't watch the the Omahatournament on TV.
I didn't watch the Kansas Citytournament on TV and I sure as
never on TV, yeah sure as helldidn't watch the Exuma Bahamas
classic on TV in January.

(15:44):
I was watching.
I was watching a couple ofHawaii's.
I was watching the West CoastSwing.
My favorite course on earthwhen I was 17 years old and
never even been to Arizona, wasTPC Scottsdale.
Before I even knew whatScottsdale was, the town, town.
I was like in love with thisgolf course.

(16:05):
Like I don't know how old was IWas I 14 or 15 when Andrew
McGee got the hole-in-one there,bouncing it off someone's foot
or someone's club?
Remember that?
Yeah, Really weird stuff.
Like that's my memories ofbeing a kid watching golf in the
cold winters where, like yeah,that's interesting.
Up in sudbury, like we in.

(16:25):
The cool thing about sudbury isthey have they have snow plows
that clean the streets, cleanthe snow off the streets.
And then we have plows like asnowblower that that goes and
cleans the sidewalk and cuts acuts, cuts a place for you to
walk that's not on the street Idon't know if that makes sense
to you at all, but like that'show cold and dark and crazy, the

(16:49):
yeah, um, yeah, that.
That, that was my, that was mything, like I used to.
I remember every january,february, I'd watch, like the us
, the australian uh tennistournament, um, because that was
always down there, because it'sthe opposite uh season, and
then uh, and then watch thatWest coast swing and just wait
till and then when the mastershappened, the courses in Canada

(17:10):
were open it was on yeah.
Three, three weeks.
The courses in Canada were openup.
Golf season was coming around.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
What, at what point did you know like?

Speaker 2 (17:27):
this is what I want to.
Uh, probably, I guess evenafter, even after that 2007
season with jim um, because I sostarted in five.
Six was corn fairy, seven waspga, eight was lpga, and it was
at that point where I was stilljust like not ready to go back,
not ready to get a job.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
It's cold in Sudbury.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Or like exactly like a real job.
And then that was the timewhere I was not like I guess it
was.
It felt most like a job becauseyou're technically you're
caddying for this.
I mean, my experience on theladies tour was, if you were
Korean, japanese or Chinese andyou were between the ages of 19

(18:06):
and 22, I was your guy.
So I'm not.
Like you know, there's not alot of conversation on the
course.
It's 187 yards, two hybrid,three hybrid, whatever you know
what I mean.
Like it's.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
You know what you're doing, you know the player, you
know what the club is, butyou're kind of working for their
parents, whatever.
You know what I mean, like it's.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
You know what you're doing, you know the player, you
know what the club is but you'rekind of working for their
parents, really Like theirparents are the ones who are
there?

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Yeah, they're the ones paying you, yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yes, and this was the first time I wasn't counting
for someone who was my.
I would consider my friend,like it was results that point
when I started to take it moreserious, man, but I still wasn't
like, oh, I'm gonna do thisforever, like I was just
delaying being an adult adrian'sgot a question.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Uh, he says what is your most surrealist moment um?

Speaker 3 (19:03):
so jason daylight podcast obviously yeah, well, I
mean totally.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
But uh, staying in the present um lots of, lots of
cool moments, the most surreal,um, um, maybe, winning, winning
the first winning, my first PGAtour event.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Um, did win a, so that was the John Deere classic.
This is.
This is going to be a reallyfunny story.
I'm going to reverse to 2010.
I'm caddying for a girl namedSun Young Yoo.
She's um, she's Korean, she's areally nice player.

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She makes the match playtournament in New Jersey at
Hamilton Farms Golf Club.
Um, now, keep in mind like eight, nine and then now 10.
So this is like my third yeartaking it seriously, beyond,
like just hanging out with mybuddies, right?
So, uh, uh, we get into thismatch play tournament and it's
like, not like this.

(20:08):
Uh, you know, the match playtournament now is like where
there's brackets and you playthree rounds because everybody
wants to watch you play and theother yeah, this was a lose and
go home right away.
Lose and go home.
Um, there was no consolationsor anything.
So, whatever, we win the firstone.
So now we're into the 32, andthen we're into the 16.
And then, and then I'm like,I'm looking at, I'm like, dang,

(20:30):
if we, if we win this next matchlike this is the biggest check
I'm ever going to make.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
So, and it was about that point, the guy I was
rooming with I just thought,like you know, you organize,
like hey, we'll stay for thewhole week was an old guy, an
older caddy at the time, if Iwas 29 or 30, this guy was 50.
And Dan Wilson was his name.

(20:57):
He says to me here's the check,here's half my room, but don't
cash it yet, because if you winthis tournament you're going to
rip that check out.
And I'm like, like, like I'mwinning a tournament, like yeah,
because it's like you know,think about it, though, like

(21:17):
because when you get to friday,like when you're in friday at a
normal tournament, there's still132 or 144 golfers in the field
, right, like not all of themcan win, but now I'm down to
like 16.
So like there's only my girland 15 other players.
So we go again and we win.
And then I'm like, then I'mseeing, like what first place is
and then what?

(21:38):
Like losing in the final andthen making the semifinal and
then winning the consolation.
And I was like, oh dang, I'm sosure we get rolling around the
weekend.
She plays good.
Um, I, I'm kind of.
I mean, obviously there was alot of matches because it was 64
, uh, 64 golfers.

(21:59):
But I remember playing in the, Iremember beating Christy Kerr,
which was she was, she was abulldog, she was a bully, um,
but you know what I mean.
Like she was.
I, like I said, I'm still newto this whole thing, right, so
I'm showing up with a cleanshirt and uh, and a good
attitude and trying to do mybest.
And here's, like Christy Kerris at the top of her game, you

(22:20):
know, Um, but it was one ofthose where it's like, uh, I'm
kind of, I kind of get animatedwhen I talk.
So I'm standing there, right,and Christy Kerr's like, yeah,
yeah, just move off to the side.
A little bit, like we were onthe tee, I was outside the
markers already, so I, like sheasked me to move and I went like
this Cause, we, we and she'dbeen a real, you know, real

(22:43):
saucy, let's say yeah.
And I was like, oh boy, so whenyou know, you know, in match
play, I was not like going togive and let her walk all over
us.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
Yeah, right.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Because my girl's like not even conversational you
know what I mean she wasn'tlike.
She was the semis.
And then we beat AngelaStanford in the final and Angela
was probably at the top of hergame as well.
Like she ended up certainlywinning the major.

(23:15):
But yeah, so sure enough, Iripped up Dan Wilson's check for
his half of the hotel because Iwas the winning caddy, so I
paid for my roommates, likegetting a hole in one Check.
But it was just yeah, exactly.
It was just weird because, likeI got to be honest at that
point I was not like yeah, yeah,I'm a good enough caddy to win
the tournament, you know, or oncaddying for a player who's good

(23:38):
enough to win a tournament,right.
But then, like Dan, who'd beencaddying for if he was 50, he'd
been caddying for maybe 25 yearshe's like hey, don't cash that
check yet, just wait, because ifyou win this tournament and I
was like dang, so that was likemy I mean I don't know if
surrealist is the.
I've had a lot of cool momentsin caddying, but that was like
my first time where I was like Ican do this as a job.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yeah, so have you.
How many times have you toldanother guy hey, don't cash this
check yet.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Uh see, nowadays it's always like you're Venmoing him
.
You know what I mean Um.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
I'm curious.
I'm curious on that because,like you didn't believe and it
sounds like you were just likein that flow state, you know,
the Bryson De de chambeau, likeyou know, just let it happen and
you just found your rhythm, wasthat, was that it like?
Because for me, like when Iplay golf, I play best, when I'm
like it is what it is, I'm free, I'm playing free and I can I

(24:37):
play my best golf and I'm notworried about anything.
Like you might not have seen ithappen, it being a possibility,
so maybe that helped youcapture that first one.
And you were just like whoa,like no, I'm just going to go
out there and do what I do andjust live and and do it freely
and just live in the moment Soul, golf and everything.

(24:59):
We're soul golfers over here.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
I mean that's that's when I play my best golf,
because I'm not worried aboutanything else?
100.
I'm that way when I, when Iplay and when I caddy, like um,
people ask silly questions likeis this a par 71 or is this par
72?

Speaker 3 (25:16):
I'm like yeah, it doesn't matter at the end of the
day, doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
um, I gotta know how far that bunker is on one, like
I'm just in my mind.
I was just visualizing one atTPC Summerlin, you know what I
mean.
Like I need to know what thewind is and how firm that
fairway is, and can my players,golf ball, get in there with
whatever club they have?
Yeah, and do they want to bemore aggressive?
Like you know what I mean.
Like it's, it's, it's.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
It's shot by shot.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
And it's shot by shot .

Speaker 1 (25:43):
And it's yes.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
And I've been in certainly a lot of pressure
packed situations where you'reon the range and you're fiddling
and you're making sure you gotall your pencils and you're
doing this and you're nervous ashell, and then you get out
there and you're throwing grassand you're like this lot, you're
talking about the lie, you'retalking about this, you're too
busy doing all of the littlecatty.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
To worry about it.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, to, to be consciously aware that, like I,
I'm in the final group and it'ssunday and blah, blah, blah and
um, yeah, so that is, that's athing, and I I think that that
that's certainly, um, somethingI learned playing golf that
helped me caddying, um, but yeah, I want to say, like, maybe

(26:28):
earlier that year I was maybe in, so that was 2010.
I was in another playoff withthat girl at like a regular
tournament, but it wasn't thisbig match play tournament.
I think what the purse was.
The purse might have been amillion dollars at this and now,
keep in mind, this was 2000 and, as big back yeah, 2010, um,

(26:53):
and I think first place was like375.
So that was like no, becausenormally um, now I don't know if
side side I don't even knowwhat side base is it was some
tech company or something fromNew Jersey, um, but that
Hamilton, that Hamilton farmgolf course, was really cool, um
, but uh, normally first placeis 18% of the purse.

(27:16):
So, like you know, milliondollar purses yield 180 for the
winner.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
So that was kind of a cool one where they kind of
like made it top heavy becauseit was match play, I guess.
Um, but uh, yeah, I lost mytrain of thought there on
exactly what we were going with,but uh, that's okay, we got
another question.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, good, uh, david , thank you so much for this
says to know the rules of golfpretty well as a caddy.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
What are the most important qualities you need to
have as a caddy?
Yes, you do need to know therules, but, as I'm sure you guys
watch golf on TV, it doesn'tmatter how well you know the
rules.
The pro still calls for aruling, the simplest, like your
golf ball.
You are taking relief over hereand you, um, like it is a

(28:12):
no-brainer, there's nothing likethey just don't want.
It's like yeah, so you want to.
Like do you want to just puttwo over there now?
Or like you can totally, butyou get like you don't want to,
I don't know.
Just say your guy's not playing.
Well, you don't want to be theone to be like, hey, like, you
can do this on your own.
You know, like you're kind oftrying to be, um, his best
friend or her best friend, Imean, depending on where I was

(28:34):
in my life.
But, um, yeah, so you obviouslyneed to know and obviously,
like, I'm always telling my guylike, hey, so when the rules of
virtual comes, you're asking forthis, just so you know.
Like this, is what your plan isthis is how you're going to
attack this.
Um and kind of a cool story.
Um, I caddied for Miles Russellat the pro core tournament two

(28:55):
weeks ago.
Um, he is a 16 year old, likestandout amateur little lefty
guy.
Um, so through, um, a vegas guy, jj jackovac.
He knew the agent and the agentreached out to him blah, blah,
blah, enter, kurt.
I ended up counting for him.
He pulls a t-shot, pull, draw,t-shot on number 16 and I can

(29:23):
see it kind of going overtowards the bunker in my in my
mind, like I don't talk out loud, um, but I said to him in in in
my head I'm like get on theground now, like this ball,
cause it's drawing to the right,cause I know there's a, there's
a cart path over there, and B,there's like a fence and then
it's a maintenance area and it'sout of bounds.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
So I see the ball land on the grass, but it takes
a couple heavy, heavy hits offthe grass and rolls across the
path.
So now I'm just, I'm just likemiles, you're gonna, you gotta,
we should hit our provisionalfor a lost ball.
And uh, he goes, okay, cool, noproblem about hits his five
wood down the middle.
We go up there and then I can,then we can't see the ball.
So it's kind of like we're justgoing to see the ball and play

(30:08):
it, but he's left-handed.
So we end up on the other sideof the road in like a little
trench that's like a foot and ahalf wide and so with him being
a lefty, he'd have to play theshot right-handed.
Okay, so because I have theUSGA app, I get all the videos.

(30:32):
I get the videos that pump intomy email or whatever it is, so
I know he can play the shotright-handed, get relief from
the road.
Now he's back on the golf course.
Now he's back on the golfcourse and then he can switch
over to be left-handed for hisapproach shot.
So we dodge a huge bulletbecause now he's got a sand
wedge or, you know, depending agap wedge onto the green, no

(30:54):
obstruction of any trees or thefence or anything, because Did
he know that rule?
Well, so he kind of before hecould say like, hey, this is
this I.
I kind of told him.
I said, hey, when, when therules official does come, you
know that you can, you're goingto get relief because you're
going to play it right-handedand then you can switch over to

(31:15):
left-handed once you're on theother side.
He goes okay, good, I, Ithought that was it, but I
wasn't sure.
So hence the the rules officialguy comes over, and I think he
was super I've been catching fora lot of pros and they come
over and be like, hey, what's up.
But, he was really good.
He was really good to himbecause he's probably a 16 year
old amateur and was like hey.

(31:37):
So this is what we're going todo.
We're going to give you reliefhere.
We're going to skip the cartpath like the dropping on the
cart path.
We're going to go to the otherside.
We're going to give you reliefas a right-hander.
If your ball is okay to playlefty, you can just go ahead and
play it right away.
But then if you need to takerelief as a lefty because you're
still standing on the road,then we can do that.

(31:58):
But he ended up taking farenough relief from the path
where his feet weren't on itanymore and ended up hitting it
onto the green and making par.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
I don't know the rules.
Let that be a lesson Go.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
follow USGA on Instagram as well.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
They post some really good stuff.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Yeah, exactly Sign up for the mail letter, email
letters and if you're in Vegasand you need a USGA certified
club to be a part of Vegas GolfNetwork, is the one and I post a
USGA certified club to be apart of Vegas golf network is
the one, and I post a lot of theUSGA videos on the network page
.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Some of them I'm like and some of them I don't.
Because I'm like I don't wantanybody to know about this
because it's just going to causemore problems.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
But it's one of those things.
I mean, you know the rules andyou, you, you play, you can use
the rules and you, you, you play, you can use the rules, and to
your advantage in certainsituations.
Yeah, which is what you guysdid 100 all right, let's talk
about coyote spring.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
We had mitch's revenge and I have, I have some
photos here.
Let me, let me, uh, bring upthese photos and, uh, we can
look at here.
It's beautiful beauty.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
It's in such good shape.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
It's the number four Beautiful hole.
That's number one.
Dan and I were talking Greatopening hole, great opening hole
in Cary Springs.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
What hole is that?

Speaker 1 (33:19):
That's six.
Just beautiful out there.
Beautiful out there.
I got some videos.
I got some videos.
I got some videos.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Padeos.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Quiet out there too, yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Nothing out there.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Uh, oh, there's Dan with his T.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Squirty no.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
That one wasn't fat, dan was hitting it fat.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
Keeping an eye on it.
No, that one wasn't fat, danwas hitting it fat Keeping an
eye on it here's JeremyListening to Lincoln Park.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Yeah, jeremy, with the big shoulder turn.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Jeremy with the big shoulder turn.

Speaker 5 (34:05):
What is?

Speaker 4 (34:05):
that that's 10, isn't it?
10, yeah, that is 10, yeah.

Speaker 5 (34:09):
That's where our balls were touching, not in slow
motion.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
That wasn't in slow motion, yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
I mean first one to pick up the team before it hit
the apex, though.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
And then here's Joe.

Speaker 4 (34:28):
There's Joe jumping off the ground.
Let's see.
Yeah, no, no, I think I stuck.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
I think I stuck down dude.
I fucked up my knee.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
This one was this one was.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
This was a good one.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
No, this one was bad, that's right fuck yeah,
one-handed finish adios uh, sothat's some videos from us out
at coyote uh, nice, nice pick onmy video, matt.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
I appreciate you so much.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
I had one video and that was it.
So I didn't want to leave youout.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Good right if I, if I wouldn't have put it, you'd
been upset I would have beenlike I was there, I was there, I
was there, I was there, I wasthere.
Yeah, trust me, I was there.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
So, Kurt, what's your thoughts, Aside from the
questionable pin locations thatyou had the pleasure of playing
yesterday?
What's your thoughts on CoyoteSprings?
We consider Coyote Springs ahidden gem.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Also I'm really curious If they had an event out
out there like a tour stop,like what, how do you think they
could eat it up or how wouldthey would play out well why
don't they have a livetournament out there, like I
don't?
Know, dude I?
I think it's such a great venue.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
I know there's nowhere to stay nearby nowhere
to stay and shuttle them in, butI just thought like just the
size of the property.
When I first pulled up thedriving range and the mac, the
keying area was 110 yards long.
I thought about the 13 golfteams and four golfers on each
team.
We want to warm up and then yougo to.
You go to some, uh, some rangewhere it's super tight and, um,

(36:02):
I mean, I'm sure it must havebeen a kerfuffle when, um, the
lift tournament was here, thedriving range at that, uh, they
moved part of the driving rangeto the eighth hole yeah, so
anyway I just thought I saw thatrange and, um, certainly a
hidden gem.
So I went with some, uh, went toplay with some guys that I know
who are members at Dragon Ridge.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
I saw a rebel bag with one of those guys.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Yeah, yeah, eric Nielsen, I think, is his name.
He's a cop.
He's actually a baseball player, so he's a member at.
He's a Henderson cop, and sothe two other guys are members
there as well.
So we drove out and they lovegoing out and playing when it's

(36:49):
their overseed time there, right?

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
But for $79,.
What a green.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
It's a steal.
It's a steal, it's an absolutesteal.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
So Hidden Gem, I'm in on the Hidden Gem.
So people are like, oh, youlive in Vegas.
Yeah, every time I go, are I goand play this course and
cascada, yeah, and okay, weheard of that one yet, and then
this one, and then, uh, coyotesprings.
And I'm like man, like I thinkI've been in vegas like six
years this was a couple yearsago and I'm like I've never

(37:20):
heard of that course, yeah, andI don't think it's in Las Vegas.
And they're saying it's soamazing.
I'm like the ones that arethey're amazing to talk about
are like Shadow or the Summit orsomething like that.
I'm like what are these peopletalking about?
Like where is this course?
And then now, now it's been soand I'll go back 100% I was sad

(37:40):
to miss the tournament, the VGNtournament, obviously.
Did they?
Did Trey shoot with his lowscore there?
Did that come from the backtees?

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yeah, that was from the back tees, yeah, yeah, and
then he shot 20 more strokes.

Speaker 5 (38:00):
Yeah, mitch's 71-93.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Yeah, For what Joe was saying do the PGA Tour.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
guys tear that place up.
Well, you can certainly putsome locations.
You can speed up the greensSmall shells.
I know the carnival pinlocations for your event on
Sunday and my casual fun roundon Monday.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
But Is that the most challenging course in the Las
Vegas area for the pros?

Speaker 2 (38:41):
considering I've only I've only really seen the pros
play like I get what you'resaying, like I should know the,
but I I only really know they'veplayed summerland shadow they
lit up oh yeah, you know whatthey did.
They played shadow and theyplayed they lit up the summit.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
Corn corn fairy was at piute, but they destroyed it
um I think we're also played sohigh back in the day.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Yeah, um, and like none of them were like crazy
challenges.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
I'm just curious if that's their most challenging
test in las vegas I think sobecause if you, if you grow the
grass and and uh, like I sawmatt on on monday before I went
out there and uh, he was likeyeah, there's no, like there's
no flat lies, um, and I wouldagree with that like there was a
couple times.
Uh, I think on the number onehole is like we drive out,

(39:31):
there's like a bunker all up theright and then anyway, I was
like not that one.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
No, yeah, don't play, let me bring that one up again.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Hang on a a second Swing and side.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
I did win second in my division in Vegas.
Pop-tart Work.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
But yeah, yes, exactly there you go.
Yeah, so I don't know, I mayhave been playing that lower
deck, I played the blues.
I played the blues with mybuddies, but yeah, I had a seven
iron in, but the ball was belowmy feet to the tune of, like I
better start this at the rightedge of the green and, um, it's

(40:07):
not really a common thing, likemost.
So I think that would be a bigthing for the pros would be the
undulations in the side slopesand the fairways.
So if you get the greens firmand you can grow some rough
around the greens which soundslike there's no shortage of
water out there that would be abeast of a course.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
What's the yardage in the?

Speaker 2 (40:28):
back.
Was it 74 or 57?

Speaker 1 (40:32):
They had us play it at 76.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
It was probably 75.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Yeah, 75 is respectable.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Yeah, nice track.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
I'd go back in a heartbeat, for sure um one of
the best deals in in the valleyyeah, especially right now,
because there's so many coursesthat are, are, uh, you know,
either car path only or shutdown for another couple weeks
right doing overseeding.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
So it's, it's a great , great deal while we're on the
topic of mitch's revenge, um, ismitch a dog or a coyote?

Speaker 1 (41:08):
yeah, a dog yeah, when they were building the
course.
Uh, somebody had stranded a dogout in the desert on the
highway and he made his way tothe golf course and hung out
with everybody while they werebuilding the course, and so he
just kind of became their littlemascot okay, gotcha yeah, also
rumor is the second course mightbe coming soon, which was a

(41:30):
pete die jack nicholas collabdesign.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
We'll see if that happens.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Hopefully it happens, I hope so, I hope so okay, it
probably won't, but I hope youguys have been there a bunch
right.

Speaker 4 (41:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Okay, so when you're driving to the driving range or
you're about to, you saw thepoles On the right side.
Are those there all the time?

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Yeah, that was.
That's the Pete Dye course.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Yeah, that's the 18th hole on the second course.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Design the putting green that you practice on yeah
that was the 18th green theyused to have a model in the in
the little clubhouse that showedthe other course, but it's gone
now gotcha well.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
How long have the polls been up then?

Speaker 1 (42:19):
since the course.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Yeah, oh, gotcha, so it wasn't.
They didn't put them up lastyear, to no?

Speaker 1 (42:23):
No, no, no, they haven't been there.

Speaker 5 (42:26):
There is a lot of activity out there.
Every time we go there's trucksand they're moving dirt and
stuff around, so it seems likesomething's.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
There was originally supposed to be three courses out
there.
There was supposed to be 10,000homes, a PGA training center it
was supposed to be the palmsprings, the new palm springs.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
yeah, three championship golf courses, a
hotel, uh, houses, restaurants,shops, everything and uh, I feel
like the way uh dan's dressed,uh, and they've got the dark.
He's got an inside story aboutthe corruption involved in the
guy losing the real estateinvestment portion of the

(43:04):
program and having to sell thecourse.
What do you know, dan?

Speaker 4 (43:10):
I don't know, I don't know about all that.
But, I do know for a while thatdevelopment stopped out there
because of water water issuesand water rights, of, uh, water,
water issues and water rights,um, I'm I don't know full
details, but I think for a longtime uh, clark county was really
trying to get that water outthere from coyote springs and

(43:31):
coyote springs was like no fuckyou, this is our water.
And shit got tied up in incourt and litigation and all the
stuff for close to in thepoliticians.
a would say and then yeah, so asof, what was it about two years
ago?
And they said that CoyoteSprings gets to keep their water
, and Clark County doesn't getany of it, so we'll see what

(43:55):
happens.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
As far, as I know no.
From when I was in the pro shopat Coyote.
The dude that owns Coyotesprings owns like 50 acres in
downtown la and he owns all this.
So that's my whole thing.
Is is like they've beencleaning that place up a lot and
my, my thought process isthey're bringing out investors

(44:19):
to see how dope the golf courseis, because it is 100% of very
dope golf course and they'regoing to be like hey, come play
our golf course.
Do you want to invest into thefuture of coyote Springs?
And I.
I think it'll come, but it allcomes down to water.
It's all water.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Right, just like.
Well, I don't want to get offtopic, matt, you're the sheriff
of the of the program here, so,but what about the?
Uh?
Capalua had to change because,uh, because of oh, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yep, yep, yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
No capalua this year no capalua, no century
tournament of champions yeah,but rob got a new location, or
no?

Speaker 1 (44:59):
haven't heard yet.
Haven't heard yet.
Just, it's not going to be aCapilou and and it's going to be
.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
It's going to be at coyote Springs this year.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Yeah, totally, that would be amazing.
Uh, no, I I have a feeling thatlast year's century was the
last PGA tour event that's evergoing to be held at Capilou.
Uh, and there's a really goodchance that course never comes
back as a golf course, so I hopeyou got to play it.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Ripcord Crenshaw legend Golf course.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
It's a fun golf.
I did get to play it.
I'm pretty happy about that.
It was fun.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
You played it.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Yeah, I played it.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
That's cool.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Back in, oh god, I'll say 2015, 2016.
It was pretty amazing, was thatwhen?

Speaker 3 (45:43):
you were trying to become a DEA agent.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
No that was way before that.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
Way after that I'm a DEA agent.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Wow, you know, you think you have private
conversation with your friendsbut I guess not, hey and I
didn't say DEA agent.
I said I wanted to work for theDEA Big difference Not at all,
oh my goodness.
So what was your favorite holeout there, Kurt?
Did you have one?

Speaker 2 (46:13):
that you were like wow, this is absolutely insane
and incredible.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
I birdied.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
I had two birdies on par threes.
I want to choose one of thoseas my favorite.
Some beefy par threes, huh.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Yeah, it wasn't the one, it wasn't the long one, but
actually the longest one wasdownhill and it was only a five
iron, but there was a couple.
Oh, there were so many.
Good, well, that's the thing.
After a while you're justseeing these pins and you're
like well, if I hit it out intothe middle of the green, I have
this ridiculous putt.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
So I was just shooting at some pins.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
I think I'm so new to the course I can't even like
necessarily say oh yeah, thishole here, although from the
blue tee or I guess I playedthose black and the blues, it
was about a 280 carry over itwas somewhere middle of the back
nine, a par four, where there'slike a bunker in the middle of
the fairway 13.

(47:07):
Yeah, 13.
So I teed her up, you know, anextra inch higher, and gave her
a wallop and I carried thebunker and had a wedge in.
It was the back pin back right,the back center, whatever you
want to call it and landed onthe back fringe.
So I cleared the green but, um,spun back down to like 12 feet

(47:27):
and, uh, I think that was athird birdie in a row, which was
good because the guys I wasplaying with were, uh were up in
the match, so that was I neededto claw my way back in the
match we were having, so I hadan amazing up and down from the
bunker on that hole nice, almosthold it out, yeah nice I

Speaker 1 (47:49):
think that's what's so cool getting that on the
green so we're going with lucky13.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
We're going with lucky 13 there I think that's
what's so cool about that placeis like if there's a golf course
that could change day by day,like in Vegas.
That course can change everysingle day, you know, and it
just breeds creativity.
What they've been doing lately,too, is amazing.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
I don't know if you how much you were around the
bunkers, but they they've letthe grass grow incredibly thick
around the bunkers.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Where it's like you want to be in the bunker.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Yeah, you want to be in the bunker yeah, you want to
be in the bunker because ifyou're in the rough on the edges
of the bunker, you're justfucked, toast same hole, kurt,
during that tournament.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
13 with the bunker in the middle black tees.
Oh fucking, pounded a drive.
I was like god please be.
You know I hit it too straight,so we get up there.
I'm about this far past thebunker's edge and that longer
grass.
I would have gotten one moreyard.
I would have carried thatbunker and been in the fairway
and then I just had to hack awedge out because it was like 12

(48:53):
inch raft, it was so deep yeahso deep, so close, love that
place yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
It looked cool, but when you get into a dance
situation it's not so much fun.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
When it first opened it was like $200 to play and you
had to have a caddy.
The greens were like 14s.
I had 44 putts.
The first time I played it itwas absolutely insane.
You couldn't keep anything onthe greens.
But it's come.
It's come a long way.
You know from what they wantedit to be.

(49:28):
Uh, same thing happened withroyal links.
They opened up, it was caddyonly and and went away from it.
But we're happy that coyotesprings is here where it's at um
.
We're big fans of it, so i'm'mglad you got to play it.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Love that yeah it's great.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
Oh, I hate finish.
Too Great, I think, I think.
I think it's a fantastic finish.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
I think 16 is fantastic, that's my favorite
fairway on that course and youhaven't hit it in like three
times.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
It doesn't matter, you hit triple, triple bogey
birdie eagle.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
whatever it is, is that the blind one?
No that's the downhill par 5.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
Par 5 with water 610 yard par 5.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Big old ripples in the fairway Muggles in the
middle of the fairway, so cool.
Yeah, exactly, it's a test man.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
How much is a pro v1?
$18.
$18.
$18.
Now that hole cost me $10 toplay there.
It was a $79 green fee, butthat one particular hole it was
an extra tax $10.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
I made a nice five foot trickly downhill putt for
an eight yeah, that was so funny.
Downhill putt for an eight yeah, that was so funny Nice putt
for an eight.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
What the listeners should also know is that $20 for
a six pack of beer.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah , they do it.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
And the smash burger there is absolutely insanely
good.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
Yeah, and their breakfast burritos are fire too,
yeah.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
Alright.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
And probably one of the best practice facilities in
our area.
I mean like public practicefacilities.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Yeah, it just sucks that it's so far from the
clubhouse.

Speaker 4 (51:22):
It's an hour and a half from my door too.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Once you're there the range isn't that far.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Did you ever get to Prim?
Did you ever play Prim Valley?

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Is it closed?
Now?
You're talking about it like itwas a thing of the past.

Speaker 5 (51:41):
No I did.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Yeah, I went during COVID Because wasn't it open
during COVID.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Oh yeah, yeah, that was my baby girl, if you will.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Always there for you, I will yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
It was amazing because they had the two courses
you could play 36 out there for45 bucks, 36 out there for 45
bucks but they had one of thebest practice facilities out
here because they had the thebig arcing driving range
two-sided, but then they hadthey had two different putting
greens and then they had a shortgame area that was two like 100

(52:17):
yard fairways that you couldhit yeah, just go out there and
drop a bucket and just oh man.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
So good Nice, and then pick up a Powerball on the
way home Exactly.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Yeah, everything's closed there.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
Right now You're.
You're a Vegas guy now.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
Yeah, strawberry, strawberry shakes from the mad
Greek.
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
I got to try one next time I go by.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
It's gone though.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
When I win the Powerball, I'm going to buy
Coyote Springs.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
There you go, let's build a lot more courses.
Kurt, Build more courses.

Speaker 5 (52:57):
Let's get in.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
We've already gone 53 minutes Awesome, I love this.
Let's get into a little bit ofRyder Cup.
You say you have caddied at aPresident's Cup, so you have
been at an event like this, butnot on the USA side.
You were with the internationalteam, correct?
Have you been to Bethpage?
I don't know if you're aware ofthis, but Joe has played

(53:20):
Bethpage Black.
I have played.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Beth Page Black.
I camped out in the parking lotover there.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Oh wow, yeah, that's your part of that story.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Have you caddied there at all or ever been up
there?

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Yeah, the 2019.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
PGA oh.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Cameron Champ.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
Oh nice.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
So you were on Cameron Champ's bag.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Yep, I'm going to have.
Yep, I can watch the YouTubefootage.
Man, yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
I started, yeah, 18, uh, a good chunk of 18 when he
was on the corn ferry, um, andthen he won Sanderson in October
of 18.
No-transcript.
And then I worked with himthrough the 2020 Pro

(54:11):
Championship.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
I probably lost $5 every week on him because I was
betting on him every week.
Yep, but he was playing man man.
I wanted to see him win one ofthose back then and then he
pulled Were you on the bag?
His first one was Sanderson Yep, Were you on the bag then?

(54:36):
Yeah, let's go.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Nice, and then he was doing well at Vegasgas after,
after, saying I'm swinging.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
I'm gonna have to go look and see if you're lingering
in the background there.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Yeah, you'll see some guy wearing a blue nike striped
shirt and a sudbury sudburyjersey um, but yeah, and then uh
, and then he won again.
So he won his rookie year.
He won his second start, whichwas sanderson.
His second year.

(55:11):
He won his second start, whichwas safeway in napa yep, um
california winner yep.
And then now pro core.
Yes, now the.
Procore and then, yeah, so thatwas the.
That was September of 19.
So, technically, we'requalified for the.

(55:32):
Well, sanderson wasn't amaster's bid because world golf
championship China was, orShanghai was opposite, so that
was not a master's the.
The 2019 pro core was.
We're qualified for the april2020 masters covid.
Um, uh, so it gets moved tonovember and I got let go the

(55:57):
day after the tour championship.

Speaker 5 (55:58):
Oh man oh no no, do you have a?

Speaker 1 (56:03):
caddy in Augusta, yet I have.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
So Danny I mean I'll tell all the good stories Danny
Lee wins in the summer of 15.
So we're Greenbrier and in aplayoff we beat my buddy, david
Hearn.

Speaker 4 (56:20):
Wow the one that brought you.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
So your guy was asking earlier about the real.
That was like my first PGA winand we're going into a playoff
with, like, kevin Kisner, um,david Hearn, and do you do, guy
from Pittsburgh, turn on theblank, anyway, put it with his
wedge on the back nine and madelike two, two birdies or

(56:45):
something to get into theplayoff, four man playoff, um.
And then obviously somebody hadto win and I kind of felt bad
but we moved on, moved on, movedon and it was David and Danny
and Danny ended up winning, um,but anyway, so Danny, danny wins

(57:07):
that tournament, qualifies forthe 16 Masters and I get, let go
the match play, the Dell matchplay in Austin, which is two
weeks before, because it's likeAustin and then San Antonio or
Houston Houston.
Yes, Houston open, and then theMasters.
So he demolished a puttinggreen.
He demolished a green littereddebris all over it with a divot

(57:32):
and didn't go and clean it up onthe last hole, on the 18th hole
.
So there I am like going overto shake Charles Wurzel's hand
and I get like pelted with adivot and like dirt everywhere
and I'm like danny, you shouldgo clean this up.
And he goes, he goes.
You don't understand.
I pissed off, like you knowwhatever he had to like tip in

(57:53):
from over the green or, but godbless him, he's a hell of a
golfer.
And, uh, we had some crazysuccess together in five years.
That's danny.
So, anyway, yeah, so the crazysuccess together in five years,
that's danny.
So, anyway, yeah.
So the the masters was, um, howdo you say?
It was a joe?
You're supposed to fill in forme here with the word.
It was an incredible experienceno, it was an incredible

(58:16):
experience.
What I'm saying is like the ruggot twice.
Oh yeah, the rug.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Yeah, you have a golden ticket.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
So anyway, Brendan Todd in 2021 messaged me and
says, hey, can you get to Austintomorrow?
And I'm like, not really, butif you want to work together in
the future, I'd love to work foryou.
And he goes okay, let me figureout this week, and blah, blah,
blah, and let me figure out thisweek and blah, blah, blah.
And then he missed making theweekend at the match play.

(58:45):
And then he messaged me andsaid, hey, do you want to start
at the Masters?
And I was like, yep.
Yes, I do, and at the time Iwent back and kept it for Danny
for a little bit.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
I'm like, hey, danny, something came up, that's
awesome.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
So you know it, just don't.
You know it was meant to be so,but those were the.
That was also surreal, like asurreal.
Nine days I showed.
I traveled on friday, showed upon saturday, watched the
women's uh, amateur tournamentand then we could go.
Then you could go back to thecaddy area, throw your jump
caddy jumpsuit on and then gowalk the course, cause you can't
go, like walk inside the ropeswithout your jumpsuit on as a

(59:27):
caddy.
Um, so yeah, that was so.
That was like a, so I call itlike.
There's the.
There's the movie like ninedays or eight days in utopia, or
something like that, with thegolf one.
I think you four amateurs wouldknow which movie that was.
Yeah, um, you're the man, rob.
I'm glad you're enjoying thestory, so yeah.

(59:48):
So anyway, I called that mynine days utopia only because I
spectated in 2007.
And I was like, damn, this issick.
So because in 2007, I wascaddying, like I was telling you
guys that off chance I got thecaddy for Jim Rutledge that year
and got to become buddies withWeir's Caddy, and Weir's Caddy

(01:00:14):
was like, hey, just come to theMasters next week, Like you got
the week off, we're not goingback to Canada.
So I did, I hung out at theirrental house and everything and,
you know, had beers at all thecool places you're supposed to
in Augusta.
Um, God, wasn't working.
I wasn't, didn't have ticketsto get on the grounds.
But on Wednesday, one of thepeople who they were, you know,

(01:00:34):
setting up with tickets cameback at the house at like noon.
I was like, hey, yeah, I'm done.
Uh, I got to head out of town.
And I got to head out of townand I'm like you've got, you've
still got your ticket.
Like you think I can go back inwith it.
They're like, yeah, take it, go.
So I went and watched Wednesday.
So I followed a practice, anine hole, followed Weir for
nine holes of practice round.
This is 2007, right, so youknow, just four, four years

(01:00:58):
after he won.
And then Friday afternoon I didthe exact same thing.
It was a guy went to watch Nice.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
A guy went to watch in the morning.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Yeah, went to watch in the morning and then I went
and watched Friday afternoon aswell, so very cool.
And then I can't remember whereI was heading after that, where
the tournament was, but I thinkit was as you go to, like
Hilton Head is usually thetournament after, but my guy
wasn't in that tournament, Ithink I was going somewhere else
.
But uh, yeah, really cool,really cool place.

(01:01:30):
Like you know, like I was.
I mentioned in my cold wintersup in Canada, um, when the
masters came, like golf seasonwas on the horizon, so for me it
was like, okay, cool, the U Sopen is at this course and this
course I can remember whatnumber, like I remember corey
pavin winning at name the coursein new york in 1995.

(01:01:52):
Yeah, there you go, you knowwhat I mean like.
But oh, yeah, like number 13 inchinook.
No idea what that hole was like, never caddied, it watched it
on tv every 11 years or whateverthe rotation is um.
But the masters was like therewas like pj tour events, the
three majors, and then themasters was up here, way in
there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Yeah, that's right, it wasn't even close um and it
was.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
That's my, that's my dad's fault, for sure I think
that's what's so interesting,right, right, like I mean we
love the Masters, right, butlike it's such a guiding light
for like people like you thatare in Canada or like Maine or
wherever you are.
It's like a.
It's a, it's a moment in timewhere it's like, okay, golf is
about to be back and I thinkthat's why it's so massive, like

(01:02:40):
we can play golf all year longin Vegasgas.
But like, right, for the restof the world that lives in like
colder climates, it's like, okay, we get all seasons coming to
an end soon.
That's why it's officiallyspring and that's why the
masters hit so hard because halfof the golfing community is
like yo.
The masters is back, we'rewatching the Masters and then we

(01:03:01):
get to go play golf.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Yeah, 100%, 100%.
But yeah, I don't know whereyou wanted to go with this, matt
.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
Well, we were talking about Beth Page, but I want to
get in some live golf too,because that's an important part
of what you've been doing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Really cool.
Really, let's go back to themasters just real quickly.
The I mean obviously alwayswelcome brendan's a true
professional.
uh, treated me amazing while Icaddied for him, um, and then he
, being a georgia bulldog, knowseverybody there.
Um, like all the green jacketguys who are members are like

(01:03:42):
somehow you know like, anyway,it was just really cool meeting
so many of the members Like andthat's the thing is, I don't
mean just like a spectatormember guy, I mean like the guy
would come up and he was like,oh hey, you know, meet my cat,
you know, and I'd meet him, andthen they'd chit chat for a
minute and then he'd walk awayand I'd be like, oh, you know
who's that guy.
And he's like, oh yeah, he'sthe… he owns Boeing.

(01:04:05):
Yeah, he's the.

Speaker 5 (01:04:07):
CEO of AT&T.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
So there was….
I know he was the president ofthe Braves, is this one guy?
But his job at the Masters waslike head of security.
At the Masters was like head ofsecurity.
So like, not like he wasn't incharge of you know, he wasn't
necessarily in charge of makingsure the person was scanning the

(01:04:29):
badge correctly or anything butlike he was like head of
security at a different levelthan you know, just checking the
badges on the way in.
But that's what.
The guy's a member and he has atask for the tournament too,
right, so it was just kind ofcool.
It's like yeah, yeah, you know,I bring my kids.
I bring my kids to baseballgames and stuff and that's my,
that's my guy I reach out to andI go and watch games and is in

(01:04:52):
the box with him.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Yeah and uh so um on to.
Uh, let's get on to the um ifyou want.
What was when you found outwhat was happening with the live
tour and pga guys leaving andgoing there, what was your
initial thoughts?

(01:05:13):
Before going and working on onthe bag for a player, what was
your initial thought?

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
um, I feel like I had enough, uh, enough caddy
buddies.
I mean, you kind of know pros,but you don't really know pros.
Um, I was happy for some ofthem to get baseball contracts.
You know, like golf didn't getthat, it was like stay healthy
and play well, or see you whenyou rehab yourself, after you

(01:05:42):
come back and like, whereas likebaseball contracts wasn't a
thing you know.
So I was happy to see it.
I guess, you know I don't thinkI know of maybe, like some
primo players, like maybe DJmight've shared his signings
with his brother Whether that'strue or not, I don't know, but
they're really tight.

(01:06:04):
So it wouldn't surprise me ifwhat I heard was true.
Um, that's cool, good for goodfor Austin.
Um.
But I also had a lot of caddybuddies who even a guy I roomed
with, uh, tim Giuliano, whocaddies for Honor Bond.
Um, he didn't go over initially,but I do know that, like him,

(01:06:25):
being away 30 weeks a year andhaving young kids was a real
challenge on their family.
Um, so I know that when ithappened for him, um, I was
pretty happy cause I knew thathe'd a have some, you know, a
bump in pay.
A bump in pay, um, and thenHonor Bond played nicely.
Um, that his, I think, hisfirst tournament.

(01:06:45):
He was in a playoff with DJ andsomeone else at the TPC Boston.
Um, but uh, anyhow, like so forme I'm just thinking about like
how it impacted my caddybuddies lives, not like they got
rich, but it was like so inthat one one instance.
Like so in that one instancehis livelihood got a lot better,
not just financially, he washome 14 more weeks, 15 more

(01:07:15):
weeks a year, which is huge,when you back up to two and four
, did you think I love youranswers?

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
because your answers are so specific to being a caddy
.
It's like I asked that questionto 50 other people and they're
all like, oh, the PGA sucks, thelive is going to be great, live
sucks, pga sucks.
Your perspective is there'speople that I know now that

(01:07:42):
lives are going to be changedbecause of it, and it a small.
Nobody knows those people.
So I love your perspective, butI also want to know what you
thought about the live becominga thing like as far as in the
global aspect of professionalgolf.
When live happened did, wereyou like grind, yeah.
Were you like, wow, this iscrazy, or wow, this is stupid,

(01:08:04):
or what were your thoughts on onlive as a profession, as a, as
a professional league?

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
I thought, um, wow, like who are they gonna, who are
they gonna get?
Like, how are?
Obviously there's just allsorts of questions like what,
what do you mean?
there going to be shotgun startsand there's going to be 54
holes and all these differentthings that it was just like it
was almost like every, you know,every month there was like new

(01:08:37):
info coming out and oh, this ishey, the first tournament was in
England, right?
Um, and then oh, oh, and thenthey've signed on to play here,
and they've signed on to playhere, and oh, new course.
And and then you know, a playersigns on and then someone's
feelings get hurt.
Um, you know, just silly, Imean, I personally I don't

(01:09:02):
really care, like I wasn't, Ididn't grow up like PGA Tour is
the greatest thing in the worldand anybody who wants to
challenge me on that.
I don't know if it's becauseI'm Canadian, but like I've got
a bunch of hockey teams I cheerfor, like I've got my childhood
team, I got the Golden Knightsnow and I've got the NHL.
Like I just like NHL hockey,just the NHL.
Like I just like NHL hockey.

(01:09:24):
So when it came to that, it waslike I like my place in the
golf world right now.
Like you know, I had kind ofjust finished caddying for
Cameron Champ saw a lot ofsuccess, kind of predicted I
would probably get on withanother player and have a bunch
more success.
That hasn't quite happened yet,but there is more tournaments

(01:09:45):
coming up.
But yeah, so I didn't.
I just stayed away from the.
Oh yeah, you know what theSaudis are doing the sport
washing and all this other stuff.
I'm like, if you want to havethat conversation with me, like
not you, but I'm just sayinglike if somebody, one of my
buddies or something, was likeyou know a proud American and

(01:10:06):
was like there's no way a tour'sgoing to come up and uproot my
PGA Tour, I was like I'm goodbud, thanks.
Like you're not having thatconversation with me, you're not
going to, we're not going to bein a debate and a fight about
it.
I just said I can't wait.
I kept saying I can't wait tosee what the next update is.
I can't wait to see what the.
I can't wait to see the nextseries of players are going to

(01:10:27):
sign and all this.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Was there anybody that shocked you, that left?

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Not really.
Not really Because, like I saidlike and keep in mind, not
everybody was getting suitcasesof money, right?
Yeah, I know that likespecifically related to like,
because I was on, uh, I caddiedon the iron heads for kevin na
and, uh, that was so danny lee'son that team and I spent a

(01:10:56):
caddy for danny for close tofive years um, probably five
years over the course of seven,and you know, to watch him go
and play.
I think he went and signed anddidn't.
There was no like signing bonusor anything.
He's just like I want to go andplay.
He got an opportunity, kevin.
Kevin recruited him to play.

(01:11:17):
Kevin said hey, you got a freshstart out here, let's go.
And uh, he won a tournament,pretty, maybe not in his first,
I don't know if it was in hisfirst year, but he won a
tournament like down in Tucson.
Um yeah, so pretty quick.
So you know what I mean.
It was like he took Like I'mgoing to be, I signed a two-year
deal for this much and when I'mdone I'm suspended for who

(01:11:39):
knows how long.
So he kind of took a risk goingand it paid off for him.
He played well that year.
I know he had some challengesthis year, you know.
Just being healthy and beingable to compete is obviously
challenging when your body's not100%.

(01:11:59):
But yeah, Do you?
think it's sticking around?
Sorry, do you think it'sstaying around?
I do, just seeing how they'respending the money like it's.
It's crazy.
When you're out there you hearthe crazy numbers of oh yeah,
this Like there's the PIF,public Investment Fund and
apparently they manage $900billion.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
Got a lot of dough.
They got a lot of doughSomething something.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
So.
But that's just that PIF thing,like apparently the way they're
making money with the oil likethat.
Aramco company is also involvedin sponsoring them.
A lot of those tournaments havelike the Aramco logo there and,
um, yeah, I don't think it'sgoing anywhere.
They really don't.
Um there, obviously this.

(01:12:44):
So this new thing where like uh, I guess Bryson's contracts up
and maybe Kepka and but yeah,that'll be interesting, I mean
to see what they think thatthey're worth.
Like Bryson's making a bit of aname for himself.
I'm sure the PGA tour wouldlove to have him back, but who
was the golfer recently that?
Uh, they, they told him he wassuspended, um you're talking

(01:13:06):
about uh Wesley.
Bryan, yeah.
So so what?
Yeah, wesley Bryan was, yeah,he got.
He got suspended by the tour,but I think it was a pga tour
like it was.
Um, I know wesley brian isobviously a tour player, but um,
he went like he played live andI think it was I think it was
hudson swafford he played, gotkind of not not kicked off the

(01:13:30):
team but like didn't keep his,but he was still in the contract
.
So he played a couple years asin, as a wild card I think they
call them um like as anindividual, and so that that ran
out and he wasn't, you know,lighting up the tour.
So I feel like he's now likesaid, hey, I'd like to go to q
school or something.

(01:13:50):
The tour is like no, you'resuspended for like five, five
years or something.

Speaker 5 (01:13:54):
I just saw him recently.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
Yeah, when he left.
When he left is maybe like whenthe suspension started or
something, so he may only havetwo more years on it.
But yeah, just kind of like youcan't like, can you now tell
Bryson?
Oh yeah, you know what, don'tdo that.
We'll give you your mediarights or whatever Bryson's beef
is with the tour, because nowhe's like an absolute legend,

(01:14:20):
yeah he's the YouTube guy.
I'm hanging out with fourYouTube guys tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
Yeah, we're trying being out there between the
ropes for a PGA Tour event and alive event.
Uh, do you see a differentdemeanor with the guys playing
the live events?
Because you know, phil had asound bite a couple weeks ago
where he's talking about how,you know, I used to stress about

(01:14:48):
coming to the tournament and,and you know, trying to make the
cut, and now I'm just so muchmore free and it's so much
happier just to be out thereplaying golf.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
It's the coffee.
It's the coffee.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
Yeah, it's, it is the coffee, um, I don't know.
Um, well, well, nice, I don'tknow about that, about his
comments, that is.
Uh, I don't know about that.
But yeah, I guess there was alot of pressure to perform.
Now he's got a briefcase ofmoney, that is.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
Do you see that?
I know you didn't.
Clubs need to be picked up offthe ground.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
Clubs need to be picked up off the ground.
Divots aren't the only damage.
Like there's still the guys whobanged clubs before Liv, who
swore out clubs before live, uh,who swore out loud before live,
who MF their caddy before live.
They do it on live.

(01:15:47):
It's all the same they're.
If I had one thing I would saymaybe even some of the
expectations are maybe a littlebit offside because there's
you're playing for so much money.

Speaker 5 (01:15:58):
You don't know.
No, Like cool.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
No, no names, no names.
Okay, but like we finished 14th, cool, um, I don't mean we like
, I just mean a golfer and acaddy finished 14th, um, and you
got like 300 and I'm trying toremember what that caddie made,
that one or the pro made thatone turn, but it was like north

(01:16:24):
of 300, and I was like it waseither 12th or 14th, whatever it
was, and I was like what theyou know, like this is wild, but
I know like he can place money,yeah, had he not finished like
bogey par bogey.
I get that he's pissed becausehe didn't finish seventh or
didn't finish eighth.
But yeah, there's, there's alot of good golfers out there.

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So, yeah, I don't know, I don'tknow, it's just weird.
I just find that there's a lotof expectations that are a
little maybe misaligned, um,with the amount of effort that's
being put in to prep and beready for these tournaments.
Like you know, I I don't thinkdj is like oh shit oh yeah tell

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the guy to, yeah, tell the guyuh, can we have a can?
Can, can the jet fly ustomorrow or we'll just go on
Tuesday?
Like I still think he caresLike the guys.
It's not like he's done hispro-am and he's back at like
he's.
He's back at the range, youknow, trying to tweak his driver

(01:17:32):
.
He's at the, at the puttinggreen, grinded, like I mean
maybe not like he was back inhis heyday of you know, just
clobbering PGA Tour events, butthey care.
Like that putting green after atournament or after a round is
guys are grinding, guys are atthe range.
Like there may be a sense of avibe, but I watched it for six
tournaments.
There may be a sense of a vibe,but I've watched it for six

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tournaments, um, and I waspretty impressed with how, with
how they were, um, going abouttheir business and like taking
it seriously.
So you know, like caddies arenot, like you know, drinking
beers at two in the afternoon,yeah.
Um because their player hasalready gone back to the hotel.
Like the players are.

(01:18:16):
Oh, I'm going to putt a littlebit, okay, cool.
Well, the last shuttle tonight6 o'clock.
I'd like to go walk the course.
Okay, go walk the course,whatever you know, because a lot
of the courses I'd never beento, so it was you know, they
were all new courses for me,which was fun because you can
kind of get and not thatmonotonous is a negative thing

(01:18:38):
on the PGA Tour.
But like you're going back tothe same course with the same
guy, you know, and he loves it.
You look at that win for theweek and you're like, yep, this
is exactly like last year.
Like the Amex tournament in LaQuinta that's been one of our
biggest gripes all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
Dude, throw some variety, mix it up a little.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
Mix it up Last Liv question for me.
Okay, do you think the guysplaying on Liv deserve world
ranking points playing?

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
54-hole tournaments.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
Top shelf.
I'm okay, serve world rankingpoints playing 54 whole
tournaments Top shelf.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
I'm okay.
You're going to get theCanadian part of me I'm okay
with.
If they're not following therules.
They're not following the rules.
I don't feel bad for JoaquinNeiman because he was grinding
all over the world.
All those guys I don't feel bad,for where were we?

(01:19:40):
I think we had.
Well, kevin played twotournaments earlier.
We went to Hong Kong and thenSingapore, and then a really
good chunk of the players weregoing to Macau, which is like
some little island off the edgeof China next to Hong Kong, for

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the Macau Open, which was likeone of their chances.
It was like an internationalseries event on the Asian Tour.
So a little bit elevated purseand world ranking points.
So every like, not everybody,but like Sergio went and you
know you got all these guys thatare.
You know it's not a livetournament anymore, right?

(01:20:20):
So like the caddies are, thecaddies have been bunking up at
staying at the whatever theMacau Inn.

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
Like not the you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
Like they're not cause cause it's not paid.
It's not paid like the live atthe live tournaments.
We're staying at the MandarinOriental and the Fairmont
Residences and things like that,but it was just funny to watch
the caddies make their plans forthe next.
Is your guy playing?
Yeah, my guy's playing.
He's playing.
Okay, I'll see you there.
What are you doing?
I'm flying to Hong Kong andthen taking the train over,

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whereas, like, if it was a livetournament, there'd be a guy
there with an iPad with yourname on it and you'd get in like
a black you know black limo SUVand get dropped off at the
Mandarin Oriental.
So, yeah, just a wild Do theydeserve?
I don't, I don't really care.
They knew.
They knew what they weresigning up for.

(01:21:12):
They knew what the rules were.
At the time it wasn't.
Maybe there were promises madeby greg norman or whoever that.
Um, you know, oh, yeah, we'regonna do this, and you know
there's, there's not.
There's a lot of things that hesaid he would do in his career
and he did.
That was not one of them.
Um, but, uh, you know, likejoaquin rom de chambeau, you

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could name a couple.
I mean kevka's Rom DeChambeau,you can name a couple.
I mean Kepka's still, you know,still has exemptions from
winning at Oak Hill.
The guys who are supposed to bethere are there.
I don't know.
Do they deserve?
If they're not following therules, they're not following the
rules.
That's the end of my answer.

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
I love it, love it.
How much golf do you watch?

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
A sneaky amount.
I will watch a fair bit of thetournament of the Ryder Cup, but
like I watch especially beingon live, like I feel like when
I'd watch the PGA I'd get abetter beat on, like who's
caddying for who and um.
But yeah, I mean even t's, I'llwatch an lpga tournament if,

(01:22:23):
like this buddy of mine iscaddying in the final group or
you know so, um, yeah, I don'tknow how to answer that question
like in a, in a quantity, but Iwatch a lot of golf.

Speaker 5 (01:22:35):
Yeah, there's a, there's a weird amount of golf
on in my house, yeah I got aquestion.
So as far as like, like, when Iplayed with you a couple times I
kind of noticed the way thatyou approach a green and read
your putts and stuff like that.
Do you kind of use your caddyskills and experience to kind of
enhance your own, like studyingfor your own game, like maybe

(01:22:57):
reading a green and all to kindof enhance your own like
studying for your own game, likemaybe reading a green and all
that kind of stuff have you?
Do you think like you're a stepabove the average person as far
as reading your putts andgauging the wind and the slope
and all that?

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
yeah, I would say, um , I would say that's certainly
where I have a bit of anadvantage.
I think you know, like, justfor example, like one thing I
started doing and I can'tquantify it because I'm not like
keeping the stats for it butlike Kevin Na, for example, he

(01:23:34):
paced off his putts and if hewas nine paces he putted it with
the pin out, and if he was 10paces or more he putted it with
the pin in.
And I thought I always caddyfor, or I have caddy for players
before where I'm like this is achallenging putt.
I'm not saying it to them, butI'm like you know this 48 footer

(01:23:55):
like, and I'm like I'll go tendit for you.
And they're like no, no, youcan just take it out.
And I'm like fuck, like youknow what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
I'm just like I'm like trying to help you like you
, you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
I just feel like 48, like don't, don't.
If the pin gets in the way onthe 48 footer and you have a tap
in, okay, fine, you're not.
Like you know you're not losingyour tour card, I don't think
because you putted with the pinin for a 48 footer, like um, but
there's little things like that, like that's one thing going
forward, like I've tried to dothat.

(01:24:31):
I learned from Kevin Um, yeah,it's kind of like uh, yeah, it's
not like oh, uh, I do this, butmy guy doesn't.
Like I try and like what's theword become?
Like not become them, but likeimplement somewhat of their
routine.
because that's like when I'mmaking money, that's what I'm

(01:24:53):
out doing.
Um, but yeah, mean I've learnedall the green reading systems
and, uh, I've seen lessons fromall the coaches.
Um, yeah, the other day, theother day at the carnival course
, I even went like this once wow, it was a five finger and I hit

(01:25:16):
a nice putt actually it was onthe first hole actually, um from
the middle of the green puttingto that pin um.
But yeah, so I've seen all thecool lessons from all the cool
coaches, um who's the bestputter you've?
seen, uh, brendan Todd, not evenclose yeah, not, not even close
like oh sorry that I'vecounting that I've caddied for

(01:25:37):
yeah yeah, yeah.
I think, yeah, I think, if youtook the like shot length era,
which could be let's call that,I don't know the last 15 years
or something, he would probablybe in the top 10, like every
year he's been on tour, I betyou, wow, maybe eight out of the

(01:25:57):
10 years he's been on tour.
But who you haven't caddied forbest putter you've seen um good
question, nothing, nobody's veryall yeah, I, I've been in his
group before, but maybe it justwasn't like oh my God, the guy

(01:26:20):
can put the lights out.
Yeah, obviously, Harry Hall'sgot some insane stats.
He's a really good putter.

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
He has incredibly soft hands for the big man, yeah
.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
Yeah, yeah, I can't say for sure.
Like I mean, I, I don't know,I've probably been in some
groups with a hot like cameronchamp, for example.
Um, his win at safeway, like hewas, he gained like everybody's
like oh, he's just a ballstriking jesse on the greens
that week.
Uh, for like in 2019, napa, hegained some crazy number like

(01:27:00):
five, something like five on thefield.
I was like, and that's notnormally his game.
Normally he is, you know, theball striker who lost a shot per
round and, you know, finished20th, whereas like four shots
better.
You know, finished 20th,whereas like four shots better.
You would have finished eighthIf Eddie putted just average I

(01:27:21):
don't mean like gaining a bunchof straw, just putting average
the guy would win twice a yearif he just gets zero strokes
gained or lost.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
So I got it, I got it .
I got another good one.
Who is somebody that's anabsolute lunatic that nobody
knows.
They're just absolutelypsychotically gone.
We're going to have to get in aRyder Cup at some point I know,
I know this is too much fun I'mhaving way too much fun.

Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
I love this.
I love this.

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
Considering I want to .
I don't.
Yeah, it's a weird question toanswer.
I may or may not have mentionedhis name already, but yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:28:05):
He could be a potential employer.
Is what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
Exactly he could be a potential employer.
What was that last questionthere about Brandon Todd?

Speaker 5 (01:28:12):
Let me ask that one.
We'll go to the rest, oh sorry.
Follow-up question what?

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
made Todd, so about brown?

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
and tall.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
Let me ask that one.
Then we'll go to the president.
Oh sorry, what made Todd sogood on the greens Mental
approach to putting?
Mechanics, repetition, or justa little bit of everything,
mechanics for sure.
Like I have a buddy who workedfor Blast Motion, which is like
that putting sensor that goesunder your grip, and he was like

(01:28:38):
oh, you got your, you know your, your buddy, blah, blah, yeah.
I said yeah, yeah, well, ifhe's ever out at a tournament
I'd love to love to meet him andmaybe get the putter.
Uh, so we got the sensor on his,on Brendan's putter, and we
even went on the course whereBrendan, like he didn't want to
like just hit on the thing andhe wanted to like hit during the
practice.
So my buddy came out with us,set up his putter, um, and

(01:29:01):
brandon's like so what do youthink?
And like, just after, like thethird green, my buddy comes over
, he's like this is unbelievable.
Like just the amount of, likethe, the, the, that, because
that last motion has it's abouttime.
Like the way the putter goesback and forth, the total stroke
time, the backstroke time, theforward stroke time, all these
different things.

(01:29:21):
My buddy's like dude, this isunbelievable, 98% consistency.
It was like the windows.
The thresholds that he wasinside were amongst the best
they've tested on that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
I do have a question pertaining to that.
Okay, which we would say how doyou feel about the zero-torque
wave, zero-torque putters?

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
I own one now.
I haven't played in one of thetourneys in a hot minute, but my
favorite part of the lab putterthat I have is that you can
pick the ball up with the bottomof it.
I'm not making, I'm not makinga bunch more putts.
I promise you um uh, but I'mthe first to always.

(01:30:09):
I'm the first to say it'soperator error.

Speaker 3 (01:30:11):
So uh, yeah, of course always, always, I don't
know.

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
Hey, my answer to the question is just like when Liv
was coming out, and it's like Ican't wait to see what they come
out with next month.
As long as you have a Garsongrip on your putter, then you're
in good shape.
Look at this guy.

Speaker 4 (01:30:30):
He has his nose.

Speaker 5 (01:30:32):
Right there.

Speaker 1 (01:30:34):
Use the code, feel the difference.

Speaker 4 (01:30:36):
Daylight.
He's a good dude.
I saw he was on your Rightthere.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
There we go, use the code, feel the difference.
Daylight.
He's a good dude.
I saw he was on your podcast.
Yeah, bernie's awesome Sometimeover the summer.
Yeah, he's a good dresser too.
Have you seen him?
Have you met him at thetournament?
He used to be a model, oh,really Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:30:51):
Yeah, oh shit.

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
He was an international model He'll have,
like the white and blue shirtwith the blue pants and the
sharp shoes and oh, sorry,that's my bad.

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
Yeah so, uh, but he, I think, mental like he, he just
knew he was he would make puttsand, uh, I don't think he would
get too rattled that we'rewe're talking about B Todd now.
Uh, yeah, so there was a lot ofthe pieces of the puzzle that
he had right.
It wasn't just only this.
Like, he was a good greenreader too, and he was also very
candid.
Like when I gave him a read, hesaid I love, I loved your read.

(01:31:24):
Um, I just feel like I had tohit it too hard at your read and
I was like so, but and thenalso like, good read, good read,
like, so you know what I mean.
Like some guys, some golfers,uh, are like, yeah, so, um, yeah
, I just I got, I got tooconfused.
My read was this and your readwas that it's like he had it on

(01:31:45):
like from eight feet, he had iton the edge and I had it two
inches out, like they probablyboth work at some time.
But like at least I was in thesame ballpark.
I wasn't telling you it wasleft edge and you were right
edge, like that would beconfusing.
But like, yeah, so hit, hityours, and then it's like oh, I
thought, I thought yours wasright.
So I played it two inches outand I hit it.
Well, you also.
You also had to mark your threefooter coming back.

(01:32:06):
So how do you know, like youknow what I mean?
So then it's almost like, justlike read your own thoughts.
Well, that's why you got to beon the same page.

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
It's like are you dying it in?
Are you banging it in?
What are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
Exactly, exactly.
So there's certainly a lot oflike.
That's a big part of it,because even like Miles I said
so like, let's get like MilesRussell, let's get it out of the
way.
If we, if you do, if you, ifyou never asked me for a read
all week, I'll be happy.
But if you do, I just want tolike go over the, go over the
basics.
Like you know, if I told you,right edge, is that enough?

(01:32:43):
If I told you, I see it's great, is that enough?
Like what?
Like you know what I mean?
What do you because?
But it turned out like he's likeyeah, yeah, that's okay.
And then it turned out to belike, do you like this pitch
mark?
And I'm not a pitch mark guy, Iwill line my line up to a pitch
mark, but when the golferdoesn't have a line on their
ball, it's hard for me to see.

(01:33:03):
Like, yeah, just roll it overthat one, because I use like a
sort of a name point-ish systemcalled Tour Read.
So I'm like coming up with like15 inches, 15 inches, 15 inches
is what I like here.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
Have you used that app?
The Tour Read app.

Speaker 2 (01:33:19):
Yeah, it's incredible .

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
Yes, Ralph, who's from Canada.
Yeah, Ralph Bauer.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
yeah, yeah, he was when I was on Team Canada when I
was 18, he was the coach.
Oh really, so yeah, he was.
I've known him for a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
I would love for you to help me connect with him and
get him on, because he was on apodcast that I love called Sweet
Spot.
He was on there talking aboutthe Tour Read app and his
ideology behind putting, and ithas changed how I putt.
It is absolutely incredible Hisideology on how he approaches

(01:33:56):
the reads and it's unbelievableand I encourage anybody to go
listen to that show.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
But I would love to have him on yeah, I can do that,
I can connect you guys for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:34:06):
Yeah, because that app me and Julian, we're testing
that app.
One day I downloaded it and wewere out at Club at Sunrise,
which, even though it's in ahorrible location, has some
phenomenal putting greens, umand, and we set up like what we
thought was a good there.
It is right there.

Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
Yeah, it's pretty cool you can, uh, you can like
toggle.

Speaker 1 (01:34:29):
You can toggle the distance, you can toggle the
speed green speed, um, and thenyou lay this down and then you
tap it and whatever slope you'reon, so we set up like a 15 foot
right to left putt and we allhit it yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:47):
It's a tinker's nightmare right there.
Oh, dude, it's so good.

Speaker 1 (01:34:51):
Yeah, the average.

Speaker 2 (01:34:53):
I can't read what that is, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:34:57):
So we hit this 15 foot right right-to-left putt
and missed it poorly.
And then so we put down thetour read and it told us where
we should be aiming and we hitthat spot right next to the hole
and I was like, wow, I mean,it's really accurate.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
Yeah, my favorite thing to do is like I have a
perfect putter and I have alaser on my perfect putter and I
like just two or weeks just toget.
It's like a player going to hita couple of putts and I'll put
a golf tee out at what I thinkthe read is and line up so I
know that where I'm rolling theball I'm not pulling it or

(01:35:43):
pushing it or whatever Like.
It's like not supposed to beputting on the greens.
So when you use the roller it'slike and it is unbelievable how
accurate that like.
But then again you have thevariables of green speed and the
amount of slope you're playingacross.
Once you're good at those, thenyou're dialed.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
All right, it's only been an hour and 36 minutes.
I guess we can start talkingabout the Ryder Cup.
I'll preface this with thisquestion that you can answer,
and you guys can answer it aswell.

Speaker 3 (01:36:16):
Have you played Bethpage Black?
Yes, I've played it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:20):
Team USA loses the Ryder Cup because of Keegan
Bradley not playing as a captain?

Speaker 3 (01:36:29):
Yes, I answered Dan.

Speaker 4 (01:36:40):
European teams.
They're better in that event.
That's just it straight up.
There's something about it.
The US is cursed, jeremy.

Speaker 5 (01:36:48):
Not enough Garson grips.

Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
Oh, look at this guy.

Speaker 3 (01:36:53):
No, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:36:55):
I just feel like Europe always seems to be more
ready and it's like even thoughthey've won, they're definitely
more enthusiastic about theWorld.
Cup.
It's almost like, even thoughthey've won a lot more, they
have a chip on the shoulder, itseems like every time it comes
around.
So yeah, I feel like they're.

Speaker 2 (01:37:15):
The have a chip on the shoulder, it seems like
every time it comes around, so,yeah, yeah, like I feel like
they're the, the European teams,like the blueberry bulldogs,
you know, yeah, never lose,never don't lose another game,
or the team falls.

Speaker 1 (01:37:33):
Yep, don't lose another game are you rooting for
anybody in particular?

Speaker 4 (01:37:40):
Or do you just?
Want to see good, as a Canadian, I'm going to get a shirt made
that says I hope both teams havefun.

Speaker 3 (01:37:50):
Kurt is a soul golfer .
Kurt is a soul golfer.
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:56):
I just can't wait for the drama.
I hope uh, I saw like a clip ofbryson going for the green on
one which is one.

Speaker 1 (01:38:02):
I hope they move the box up, they move the box up, so
it's not all the way back Ihope he makes a hole in one.

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
Um, yeah, I don't know, I just cool.
I watched a flyover just andbrought back some memories of
the course what a what a course,um, and then, and then the fans
, yeah, and then it just kind oflike obviously this flyover
there was no grand stands oranything, but I'm used to seeing
the blue, like the pgachampionship blue, yeah, but, um
, I did see ted scott's umsunday scott's sunday sermon

(01:38:32):
from last week and thegrandstands will gondola.
So yeah I, it should be fun.
I'm looking forward to it.
Um, am I?
I just have so many, like I'veprobably like three good caddy
buddies, a caddy on each team.
Um, yeah, I don't really.
I would love to be interestedin watching on Sunday afternoon,

(01:38:57):
Like if it was close.
I don't want it, yeah, yeah, Ijust want it to be close on
sunday.
That's all I really want.
Yeah, like, like tide goinginto sunday would be great for
for my viewing pleasure.
Um, you know, like, if europe'sup by five points or something,
um, you know, even though youknow the way the, you know, when
you look at the chart, it'slike there's blues and reds and

(01:39:18):
all scattered throughout thescreen and you're like, okay,
well, there's, you know there's,and then there's four more reds
, but they're just like one upand early in the match and it's
like there's a lot of golf.

Speaker 1 (01:39:28):
It's so much fun to watch.
You know, so much fun to watchyeah do you?
Okay, I've played there, whichis cool, but yeah, I don't know
if you know that kurt joe'splayed beth page but yeah, it's,
uh, it's in, it's on longisland, right yeah, it is.

Speaker 3 (01:39:45):
Yeah, it is very cool .
Great course.
Uh, I love that place.
I'm excited to see the course.
You know, like, as golfers,that um, don't play on pga Tour
or I'll never have a Ryder Cupinvitation for me to have the
opportunity to go play.
That course is special andthat's something that other

(01:40:08):
sports don't provide.
I'll never play on the ice atthe Golden Knights in T-Mobile
arena, but I've played Bethpageblack.
So that's what's so cool aboutgolf is, I've played that golf
course and I'm so stoked to seethose guys out there.
I didn't play golf back whentiger one, uh, for the PGA

(01:40:28):
championship, but, um, I'm justexcited to see it because I've
been there and it's, uh, it'svery special.
It's very special.
It's super historic and that'ssomething that golf provides us
we can go play the courses thatthe pros play.

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:40:46):
And I can't wait to see it and I just hope for I
literally just hope for like anexciting Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:40:53):
Yep, now I want a USA win, but I don't think it's
going to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:40:59):
I think Keegan should have played 100% and I think
Keegan will probably.
They'll lose.
This is my prediction.
I think USA is going to loseand Keegan's going to have to
live with that.
He didn't play for his entirelife, unfortunately.
I don't want that to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:41:18):
You'd have a lot of luggage to not unpack, that's
the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:41:24):
Can I ask you a question, joe?
If Keegan says I'm going toplay, who does he not pick?

Speaker 1 (01:41:31):
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (01:41:36):
Colin Markhawa is a bitch putting trash.
Colin Markhawa has been puttingtrash.
Colin Markawa has been putting.
Cam Young's fine.
That's his home, that's hiscountry, cam.

Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
Young is up there.

Speaker 3 (01:41:46):
The New Yorkers are going to be written for him,
absolutely, yes, yeah, yeah, camYoung, that's his home country,
but Colin Markawa has puttedlike garbage this entire year,
in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:41:59):
I think you putter this week I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:42:02):
Yeah, it's always new .
It's always new.

Speaker 1 (01:42:03):
Yeah, it's always new , always new.

Speaker 3 (01:42:08):
The man I just think I just don't want keegan to feel
I don't want them to lose.
Let me tell you that I want usato win 100, but I feel like I'm
scared if they lose.
Keegan's going to live withthat for a long time and he
should have played because hewas playing out of his mind.

Speaker 1 (01:42:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:42:28):
You know what I mean?
Yeah, and I don't want him tofeel like, oh, I should have
played and I could have helpedthe team.
He should have been picked lastat last rider cup he should
have.

Speaker 1 (01:42:40):
Yeah, absolutely zach johnson fucked him over yep,
absolutely yep yep, well, it'sgonna be a fun watch kurt thanks
so much for coming on um,thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
I I kind of am really good.
I'm really famous for saying uh, long story short.
So, um, yeah, I don't know,sometimes I get going on a
tangent.
I feel like I only got offtrack one time today no, no it
was great.

Speaker 3 (01:43:06):
It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:43:06):
You've been absolutely sublime, sir
everybody if, if you like, uhsugar-free protein drinks.
This is not a sponsored adright now With protein.
God damn it.
I wish it was.

Speaker 3 (01:43:23):
Don't quit.

Speaker 5 (01:43:24):
This is the brand, don't quit.

Speaker 1 (01:43:27):
Zero sugar, 15 grams.
It is the best grape drink Ithink I've ever had.
The orange is okay, the rootbeer is, eh, and I got a fruit
punch left to try.
There you go, don't quitprotein, love it.

Speaker 4 (01:43:43):
Alright, $27 for a six pack at Albertsons.

Speaker 3 (01:43:47):
Yeah, shout out, albertsons, most expensive
grocery store there is.

Speaker 1 (01:43:52):
No, they got a special on these right now.
Yeah, $25?
No, they're not that much, butsome of that shit is crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:44:00):
My dear canyon wealth , my dear canyon wealth up there
yeah we're bougie up here onthe hill.

Speaker 1 (01:44:08):
We are bougie on the hill all right, uh, so are you
gonna make uh, legacy?
Are you gonna make the Legacytournament or no?
Are you going to be here forthat October 12th?
Yeah, you.

Speaker 2 (01:44:20):
That's a good question.
I'm on the fence right now.
I mean talking to someone aboutmaybe that's the Japan
tournament, about going to theJapan tournament, Ooh yeah.
I'm still unable to commitWelcome to my'm still unable to
commit Welcome to my life as acaddy.

Speaker 1 (01:44:41):
Yeah, Are you looking to?
You know, be on a bag full-timenext year.
Is that the goal?

Speaker 2 (01:44:46):
Yeah, I mean that's the plan.
I'm going to as manytournaments as I can.
This fall just to kind of.
I mean, I've talked to so manypeople and oh, I'm just taking,
like Joel Damon, just takingfriends now and blah, blah, blah
.
He's had his coach caddy a fewtimes and I think that would be
a good, uh, a good option for me.
Um, he's snuck in the wintercircle at one of those off, um,

(01:45:12):
kind of those opposite field,opposite field events.
Um, you know, I know he'shungry to change that and you
know that's what I'm interestedin doing as well.
So it hasn't worked out yet,but then again, he hasn't hired
a caddy yet.
So we'll see.
We'll see what goes on, butyeah, the sooner the better.

(01:45:34):
I have only caddied in seventournaments this year, but six
of them were on the live, so thelights are still on.
The lights are still on and I'mstill a member in good standing
of the VGN, so you know.

Speaker 1 (01:45:54):
Yeah, absolutely, and you're in the finals.
You got to win earlier thisyear and you're in the finals.

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
You got a win earlier this year, so you're in the
finals.
Yes, unfortunately, I feel like.
Is it not during one of the?
I think is it not during SeaIsland?
What's the date?

Speaker 1 (01:46:09):
Oh, it's November.
It's like November 15th and16th.

Speaker 2 (01:46:14):
Yeah, there's a tournament in Bermuda, I think.
There's three PGA Tour eventsin November, so I wish like if
I'm not going there, I wouldlove to go yeah 15th and 16th.
I would love to play in all ofthem, but you know sometimes
Gotta work.

Speaker 1 (01:46:32):
Gotta work.

Speaker 4 (01:46:33):
Well, I'll say this, kurt, real quick Sometimes you
got to work, got to work.
Well, I'll say this real quickIf you know, obviously you're
going to be, hopefully, fulltime on somebody's bag, but if
you ever hear of anything andanybody gets desperate, you need
an emergency caddy.
You let me know and I'll flyout there.

Speaker 1 (01:46:54):
OK, so I was going to bring my services now.

Speaker 2 (01:46:59):
I wish there was a golf tournament in this town in
three weeks because theycertainly could happen Right A
better, a better chance anywayyou know, and then we lost the
PGA event.

Speaker 3 (01:47:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:47:09):
Wow, someone sent me a message saying that the the
champions tour is coming, sothey, they are.

Speaker 2 (01:47:16):
I had.
Uh, yes, they're in the.
The Champions Tour is coming,they are.
I had.
Yes, they're in the works oftrying to find the core.
I think they've narrowed downthe course.
They're trying to find thetitle sponsor to be okay having
it here as opposed to KansasCity where maybe they're from.

Speaker 3 (01:47:34):
Guys, donate to Chasing Daylight Podcast so we
can sponsor a senior PGHtournament, did you?

Speaker 2 (01:47:41):
guys hear of anything happening in January At Shadow.

Speaker 3 (01:47:48):
No no.

Speaker 1 (01:47:50):
Uh-oh, spill the beans Crickets.

Speaker 4 (01:47:56):
I think, my.

Speaker 1 (01:47:57):
Wi-Fi just kind of.

Speaker 4 (01:48:02):
We'll continue that conversation off the air.
You know what?

Speaker 2 (01:48:04):
tour it can't be.
The PGA tour schedule is prettysolid in January right, Except
for one event that doesn't havea home yet.
Right, and it wasn't that one.
Okay, yeah.
I feel, like some, you know't, Iyou know there there's again.
I just can't wait to see whatthey say next week about the
capital tournament.
Like some friend of the PGAtour, you know all these

(01:48:26):
billionaires who own golfcourses all over the place.
Some of them are, some of themare in Hawaii, like that place.
I know it's a different island,but there's so many good.
Is there one called the Nenea.

Speaker 1 (01:48:43):
Nenea would be amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:48:45):
Schwab and Roberts are both friends of the.
George Roberts are both friendsof the PGA Tour.

Speaker 1 (01:48:52):
Yeah, that's an uber private place too.

Speaker 2 (01:48:55):
They're going to be calling the tour.
People are calling people rightnow.
See, that's definitely uberprivate place too they're going
to be calling.

Speaker 1 (01:48:59):
They're going to be like the tour people are calling
people right now, like that'swhat I don't know does.
Does a place like nanea want atour event and the public on
their course?
That's because that's exactlyright?

Speaker 2 (01:49:11):
I know you're exactly right.
Probably not, but that's whatthese guys do.
They're.

Speaker 1 (01:49:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:18):
You know, like I know , that Right.
Yeah, I mean it's just that'swhat these guys do.
They have the, they can pieceit together.
I mean you could totally,because you got to think about
it.
How many guys go to Hawaii andstay, or go to Kapalua and then
stay for Sony, sony.
It's kind how few of them stayTo show support for the PGA Tour

(01:49:44):
and just play the Sony Open sothat they get crazy TV ratings
and crazy entertainment.
It doesn't really happen.
It doesn't have to be in Hawaii, it could be in California
somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:49:53):
Who knows, it doesn't have to be in.

Speaker 2 (01:49:53):
Hawaii.

Speaker 1 (01:49:53):
It could be in.

Speaker 2 (01:49:53):
California, somewhere yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:49:58):
So, who knows, Let me get some hot dog bills up in
there, let me get a hot dog.

Speaker 4 (01:50:03):
Bills Go to Olympic Club.
Yeah, that'd be it.

Speaker 1 (01:50:09):
All right, kurt.
Thanks so much.
I'll have Kurt's info in theshow notes for everybody.
If you want to give him afollow on his Instagram handle,
I'll have that show notes foreverybody.
If you want to give him afollow on his Instagram handle,
I'll have that on there for youand keep an eye out.
We'll update.
If we find out if he lands witha player or where he's going to
be caddying, we'll leteverybody know.
Thank you so much for coming on, man.

(01:50:29):
I really you know we've beenwanting to have someone like you
on the show for so long,because it's such a side of golf
that not a lot of people areprivy to, and so the fact that
we can have you on and talk andtell stories just broadens
people's eyes on how amazingthis game is, and I thank you
for spending your Tuesdayevening with us.

Speaker 2 (01:50:50):
Yeah, thanks for having me guys.
It's been nice getting to knowyou guys throughout the year on
the VGN and, obviously, hangingout tonight and sharing some uh
stories that are longer than thecart rides we take together or
the uh we can't get too deepinto on the course, so all right
, joe, bring it home.

Speaker 1 (01:51:10):
Oh, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:51:10):
No, I'm gonna say I'm too busy trying to make more
birdies to catch.

Speaker 5 (01:51:14):
Dan, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:51:20):
Thanks for everybody that tuned in in the chat.
Appreciate you, guys.
This was an incredible episode.
Shout out Kurt, what a legend.
Share this episode.
You don't have to tune in live,but we're here every single
Tuesday night, 8.30 pm PacificStandard Time, whether we have a
pga tour caddy on or we're justtalking about garson grips.

(01:51:43):
Shout out garson grips.
But you can also listen in yourcar on your way to work.
Uh, bookmark my shows.
There's a giveaway going downright now.
Hopefully it's you, if's notbetter, to luck next time.
Thank you guys for tuning in tothe Chasing Daylight Podcast
episode.
There you go.
I knew he was going to win.
Shout out to homie Nori.

(01:52:04):
You'll be getting somethingsent to you Until next week, man
.
Yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:52:12):
I forgot to do this Until next week.

Speaker 3 (01:52:16):
Make sure you get out there and hit those greens,
chase some daylight and playsome fucking golf.
Until then later, thank you.

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