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Bernerd Garsen's journey to becoming one of golf's most innovative grip designers reads like a Hollywood script. After racing motocross professionally and suffering career-ending injuries, a chance encounter led him to an eight-year modeling career across Europe and South Africa. It was during this time that his passion for golf reignited, eventually leading him to create Garsen Grips – a company now boasting over 85 professional tour wins, including Olympic gold, silver, and bronze medals.

The creation of his first grip came from pure necessity while working as a golf instructor. Noticing how students struggled with conventional grips when attempting to position their hands properly, Garsen cut apart three existing grips and glued them together with shoe glue to create his first prototype. This DIY approach led to his patented Edge Grip design, featuring edges for optimal thumb placement that puts the hands in a more neutral position.

What truly sets Garsen apart in the equipment industry is his commitment to performance over marketing hype. Unlike larger competitors who pay players, coaches, and even offer luxury watches as incentives, Garsen has earned every one of his tour wins organically. Players like Henrik Stenson (British Open), Tony Finau, and Lydia Ko (Olympic gold) choose his grips purely for performance. This authenticity hasn't come without challenges – Bernerd candidly describes competitors attempting to copy his designs, spreading rumors about his company failing, and even trying to interfere with his manufacturing relationships.

The market has validated his approach. Beyond his impressive tour statistics, Garsen now partners with major manufacturers and boutique putter companies for custom co-branded grips. His technical innovations have expanded from the original Edge Grip to the popular Max Grip, Quad Tour, and specialized designs explicitly created for top players like Lydia Ko's custom 15-inch Quad that helped her win three consecutive tournaments.

Bernerd's story is one of perseverance, innovation, and staying true to his belief that genuine performance trumps marketing dollars. For anyone looking to improve their putting through technology that actually works rather than just looks different, Garsen Grips represents what's possible when passion meets purpose in the golf equipment world.

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Speaker 2 (00:16):
hey everybody.
Oh darling, I'm hot today.
Let's go while we're young.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Hey everybody, Thank you so much for joining us for
this special interview episodeof the Chasing Daylight podcast.
We love having guests on,especially guests in the golf
space, and today we have MrBernard Garson, famously known
for Garson Grips.
How are you doing thisafternoon, sir Matt?

Speaker 2 (00:49):
I'm doing great.
I'm happy to be here.
Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yeah well, thanks for joining us.
We've been trying to get you onthe show for a couple of years
now and just you know you're abusy man, You're a busy man.
So I want to start.
I like starting all theinterviews off by giving the
people who may not know you orknow your story a little bit of
background.
There's a great page on theGarson website, on the About

(01:14):
page, that talks a lot about howyou started.
I wasn't aware that you were amodel.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Oh yeah, 25, 25 years you know.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
So yeah, yeah for a model.
I guess I've heard the commentfrom model to mobile, you know.
Oh, I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Ever think about when I was back doing modeling,
living in europe, that I'd beback involved in the golf
business and designing grips ispretty crazy, yeah, yeah well,
let everybody know how you gotstarted in the golf space.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
We can fiddle around with the modeling if you want,
but what got you into golf andhow did that lead to owning a
grip company?

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Well, it all probably started back when I was around
10 years old.
I started playing golf with myfather and next thing, you know,
I'm out there, you know,playing with him and all his
buddies, and I'm sitting thereon a weekly basis.
You know what am I doing?
Playing golf with all these oldmen.
You know, there's no yoke.
I'm not out hanging out mybuddies playing golf.
So I got out of golf at about 14, I got on the motorcycles, I

(02:13):
started racing motocross.
I raced professionally for afew years and I crashed and
pretty banged up myself, prettygood, fracture my skull, messed
up, my back broke a few bonesand all that.
So I kind of like gave up themotocross and I got back into
golf and, uh, just kind ofplaying around, but my swing
wasn't as good as it was.
So I, you know, ended up goingout one night with a few of my

(02:35):
buddies.
We went into a bar and theywere having this contest and I
entered the contest andphotographer came up to me, said
what have you ever thoughtabout, you know, maybe doing
some modeling?
I'm like, no, this is well youknow.
Uh, what would you like to?
Like, get some pictures done?
So I went build a portfolio.
I went around a couple inches inla when I was living in la and

(02:55):
they said well, you know, ifyou're gonna get started, you
gotta go to europe.
So I packed my bags and I wentto barcelona.
I was there for for a week andactually tore all my ligaments
and my ankle in a fashion show,believe it or not.
I didn't want to get into thatstory.
Motocross, the runway crash,right.
So I went back back home andfor the year following year, I

(03:17):
moved back to Europe.
I was there pretty close toeight years traveling throughout
Europe Italy, germany, france,greece, spain live in South
Africa for a year.
And yeah, so while I was livingin Europe Italy, germany,
france, greece, spain lived inSouth Africa for a year.
And yeah so while I was livingin Europe, a friend of mine was
a tennis instructor at one ofthe high-end golf clubs in
Masiabac in Barcelona.
So he says oh, you know what?

(03:37):
There's a golf course out here.
You want to teach me how toplay golf?
You can play golf for free.
And I'm like sure, sure, whynot?
So I took the game up again andstarted playing.
And it was, you know, it was alot of fun.
And I moved back to miami in 95.
Um started modeling there anddoing a lot of cruise line work
and just a lot of commercialwork.
So then, after uh, 9, 11, theindustry kind of died.

(03:59):
So I went to work out at dural.
Within six months I was runningall the golf outside operations
.
So I was in charge of the golfand think well, I'm out here, I
might as well start playing golfagain for a while.
So I started playing golf andand, uh, you know, that was just
kind of like you know, a daily,weekly thing to hit golf balls.
We'll play golf once or twice.
And that was it.

(04:20):
So then there was a group of uh,not a group, but a production
company I'm doing infomercial,jim mcclain.
So I stopped by to talk to him.
They told jim well, we knowthis guy, he can obviously speak
on camera.
Why don't you have him get inyour commercial?
Jim says, well, I know you, butcan you hit a golf ball?
I said, yeah, I can hit a golfball.
So so we did the infomercialand then after that, jim's like

(04:43):
you know you can get it aroundpretty good.
What are you doing working outhere?
He said how old are you?
And at the time I was in mymid-40s.
He was well, what's your story?
And I told him the whole thing.
He goes well, what about theChampions Tour?
So I thought about it.
And then, a couple years later,at the time my wife designed a
line of acrylic furniture forrobin stuckey, which is a big

(05:03):
furniture store in florida.
I started doing all their tvcommercials and their catalog
work and everything else and Igot to talk to the owner about,
you know, champions tour and wetalked about possibly doing a, a
sponsorship deal where he wasgoing to pay me to stop working
and just play golf to have achance for the pga tour of the

(05:23):
champion store, which we did do.
And then, uh, three days beforemy last day at work, a battery
charger fell on my head in thecart bar, oh no.
So that put me back in the youknow four herniated disc in my
neck concussion.
I went through two years painmanagement for epidural shots,
physical therapy, so golf gamekind of went to shit, basically,

(05:44):
you know.
So after that I became aninstructor, I started teaching
golf, became an assistant pro,and as a kid I always putted
differently, I always putted myhands more open on the side of
the putting grip.
So I was incorporating that andteaching people.
Like I understand what you'retalking about, but it really
doesn't feel comfortable becausethere's not a perfect place to
rest my thumbs, like the flatspot, yeah.

(06:06):
So I went home one night and Icut apart three grips and glued
them together with shoe glue andthat's how I came up with the
first edition of the edge gripwith the two edges on the side
where your thumbs were on eachside.
So I was, I glued that.
Take that to a putter shaft andI was trying to show that,
incorporate that with teachingpeople like man, this is great,
where can I get one?
I'm like, wow, this is the onlyprototype that is out there.

(06:27):
So I found an investor.
Uh, and before you know it wason a plane went to china and
within the first year I wentthrough five factories trying to
produce my product.
Um, every every factory that Imeant that I sent the grip to
was sending out another factoryand the same factory was
manufacturing the grip everytime.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yeah, so that really wasn't the hard part.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
I ended up working out the production end of it.
So then, after getting that,you know, trying to get this
approved by the USGA, I wentthrough seven submissions to get
my first grip approved, whichtook two hours.
Seven.
And it's not like they tell youeach time, oh, this has to be
done, it has to be done.
They don't tell you everythingat once.
It's like, well, this isn'tconforming because of this, this

(07:12):
isn't conforming because ofthat.
There's always just something alittle, very small, and I think
the most interesting about itwas because it was something so
different.
In the beginning I think theyreally didn't know what they
were looking at.
So after the seventh submissionI finally called Carter Rich
and said, hey, listen, what'sgoing on?
Are you ever going to approvethis or are you just jerking off
?
Every time I had to get itresubmitted, I had to do tooling

(07:35):
, new molding.
It wasn't just something thatcould be done easily.
It was a big cost process to gothrough all that.
But I ended up, you know,persevering through all that and
I got my grip finally approved.
And then, next thing, you knowI'm out on tour, took the grip
out on tour, which was anotherchore getting out on tour you

(07:56):
can't just pack your bags and gostand on the punting ring.
There's all the politics ofgetting on tour as well.
You know you've got to have aplayer using your grip.
But if you don't have a if youdon't not on tour.
How can you get a player unlessyou know somebody?
So I was fortunate enough toknow Fulton Alum's daughter and
she got it in her father's hands.

(08:16):
So he was using it on thechampions tour when he was
playing.
So I was able to get him tosign an affidavit that he would
put the grip in place.
So that got me rights to get acredential out on tour.
But once you get a credentialit doesn't mean you stay out on
tour either.
You have to have so muchappearance on the Daryl Survey,
which is a company that goes outthere every week and they mark

(08:38):
what is in the players' bags allthe equipment, from the irons
to the drivers, the shafts tothe grips and all that, and
that's a whole process as well.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
What's the percentage on the Daryl that you have to
have?

Speaker 2 (08:52):
The percent here have played your product in play.
But as of now I have over 85woods on tour, so it's not that
bad.
But they also incorporate thatwith all the tours, the pga and
then, um, you know the ironicthing about it when I first got

(09:13):
on tour, the edge grip was alittle skinny grip.
Next, you know, super strokescoming out and then it was the
fat grip stage.
You know so then I had to now goback to drawing board and come
up with my next grip, which wasthe fat grip, which was the max
grip.
Yeah, so yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
So what is now like the quad tour?
The main one Is that basicallyyour original design that you
just changed over the years.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Well, basically the funny thing about that see, all
my grips designs came from justlike I would take other grips
and I was out on my balconyshaving grips down, grinding
grips down.
I bought a grinder gettingrubber all over the balcony.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
At the time my wife's like what are you doing out
here?

Speaker 2 (09:57):
You're making a big old mess and I'm like, well, you
know as a kid I grew up havinga little workshop downstairs in
the house.
I was always doing my, you know, coming up with many things and
doing things, and I enjoyed it.
So the QuadGrip now is probablythe main leading selling grip,
but the Max to me it all goesback to the technology and the

(10:18):
Max and the EdgeGrip.
Because basically what thegrips are doing you know for
yourself by getting your handson the side, it's putting your
body in a more neutral position,which is getting doubles into
your body, sending yourshoulders back into proper
position.
So when I got out on tour, youknow there's a lot of coaches
that are really big believers inthe technology of the max grip

(10:39):
Mike Shannon, mike Bender, peteCowan he uses the edge grip as a
training aid for wedges withhis players.
Phil Kenyon you know he's taughta lot of the main players out
there and so basically, beingout on tour, there are a lot of
guys, like the first time JBHolmes picked up my grip, he
threw it back and he says whatthe hell is this thing?
He goes.

(11:00):
Is it on the putter wrong orwhat?
I said well, what are youtalking about?
He?
I said well, what are youtalking about he goes.
It feels weird.
I said well, let me ask you aquestion, jb.
I said how well has yourputting been lately?

Speaker 1 (11:12):
And he goes well you got me there right.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
So at the time there was a coach out on the putting
green that had a sand lab set upthere and he was giving the
guys their stats.
So I said, go over and haveyour stats checked.
And his caddy came back.
He says can we have the headcover that putter?
He goes jb, stats have neverbeen that good.
You know.
A little visit.
No, jb pretty much put me onthe map, winning three times

(11:35):
with the edge grip and then,after you, within stinson, went
to the british open reallyacknowledged the fact that
garson was a legit company Ididn't realize that had had that
onhis.
So a lot of it was.
You know guys saying, listen, Iunderstand the technology, but
I'm too traditional.
I can't get into this position,which basically it doesn't take
that long to really get yourbody to adapt to something.

(11:56):
If you give it time, Likeliterally, if you pick up a Max
grip and you putt with it withinfor 20 minutes, your body will.
Of course, in the beginning itfeels strange because we were
all taught how to putt one wingYep Right down the middle.
Nobody said that was right orwrong.
That's how we were all taught.
But you know, look at all theswing changes now in golf.
I mean everything.
There's so much technologybased with everything and it can

(12:19):
all be proven with thetechnology that's out there how
much better things are for you.
So, having all the data and allthe breakdown of the design of
my grips, I know that I have the.
It's just that, being a one-manband and doing this all on my

(12:50):
own, I don't have the resourcesthat some of these beer
companies have to do all themarketing, promotion and pay off
players to be out there in mygrip.
Pay players for wins, give themRolex watches because they're
winning with the grip, payingoff coaches to keep them in a
grip.
Uh, pay players for wins, youknow, give them rolex watches
because they're winning with thegrip.
Paying up coaches to keep themin a grip, I mean, there's, yeah
, the politics out on tour.
It's you know, there's a lotmore that goes involved than
just being out on tour.

(13:10):
You get, you deal with so muchout there.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
It's unbelievable have you ever been approached by
some of the bigger brands andbeen basically like get the hell
out of here?

Speaker 2 (13:22):
well, it's kind of, in a way, I I know that I have
been sabotaged by, sabotaged bycompanies putting grips, my
grips, on on product to kind ofmake my grip look bad by putting
it on crooked, not puttingenough tape on the grip to make
it move.
There's, there's so much goingon.
I don't want to mention names,or of course not, yeah, of

(13:44):
course not.
But then, but it is good toknow that you know, I'm also now
doing co-branding for some ofthe top manufacturers out there,
the top brands out there, um,so it's that's good to know that
they're believers in mytechnology yeah yeah.
So I mean right now, you know Iprobably have not just the top

(14:04):
brands, but I mean constantlynow a lot of these new smaller
boutique putter companies arereaching out to me, for, you
know, custom branding grips,which is which is a lot of fun
to get involved.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
The coggins stuff is amazing.
Oh yeah, his grips are great.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
I love his design yeah, it's so good.
Just in the last month, weprobably uh aligned ourselves
with six more brands out thereto uh get more marketing going
on the custom branding, and justconstantly now it's getting
bigger and bigger.
But the best thing about it,too, is like we're not asking
for a major amount of quantity.
Yeah, I've got it set up where,if you want to do a custom grip

(14:38):
, you can do your own custombranding, for, you know, only
100 grips.
That's amazing.
I've asked for thousands.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
So yeah, that really helps those smaller brands.
Oh right, yeah, have you talkedwith Dave Frisch from Goodwood?
We're big fans of the Goodwoodputters around here.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
We did reach out together.
I know he was really interestedin my tpe grip, the rubber grip
, um.
But see, like, like the rubbergrip, you'd have to do a whole
new tooling, holding, moldingjust to change the logo.
It's not the same, it's justbeing able to do a 200 deal, art
, art, layouts that you producein a grip and the price point on
doing a new mold is a couplethousand dollars just to get

(15:18):
started.
So it's kind of like that'skind of deterring for, you know,
deters people from wanting togo in that direction.
That's what I'm saying.
With what we're doing with thelower quantities, it really
helps, right, yeah yeah, yeahit's.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
It's nice seeing more and more pop up, uh, on the on
the boutique side of it.
But let's talk about the tourwins.
But let's talk about the tourwins.
You said you have 85 tour wins.
Now Over 85, right, yeah.
And Lydia Ko, would you sayshe's been your most loyal.

(15:51):
Is that the right word?

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Loyal, I would say.
Henrik Stenson is still in mygrip even though he's on the
lift tour.
He's won the first major withthe British Open and that really
put Garson on the map.
Let people know that thiscompany was for real and really
got me a lot of recognition andaccountability and appreciation
out on tour, where I wasrespected a lot more.

(16:14):
Tony Finau every one of hiswins are in my grip.
He's been doing well with me.
I'm really excited to do theTony Finau Foundation process
where portions of sales go tohis foundation.
And Lydia Ko, not only beingloyal, she's been probably the
most prominent lately afterwinning the gold medal with the

(16:38):
Quad 15 that I designed just forher and then, after winning
that, she won two tournaments ina row.
So she won three tournaments ina row.
When she got back into my gripbecause the putter brand that
she was using got her out of myoriginal, out of the original
quad tour, got her into thelonger grip which you know, and
she contacted me and says well,do you have a?

(16:58):
longer grip and I'm like I donow.
I do, I do.
But the one I had, the 17-inchgrip, was too heavy for her
because she's very particular onher weight.
So I went and met with her atthe Onica tournament last year
and we developed the 15-inchgrip.
I cut apart a few grips, madeher a 15, a 17, and we settled

(17:24):
on the 15 inch quad tour and nowI'm in the process of
redesigning another 15 inch gripfor her, another quad, the quad
pistol design, which is alittle little narrower in
profile.
So such, I'm always standing inher grip.
She's always tinkering likethis.
I've got, uh, three differentcompanies reached out for me for
her grip because she's goingthrough another.
Different companies reached outfor me for her grip because
she's going through anotherputter, experimenting again.
So, yeah, pros man, that isgreat, because it's always like,

(17:46):
hey, can you send me some gripsand overnight them please?
I'm like, oh sure, don't worryabout it, and it cost me 125
bucks with fedex I'll get.
I'll get them to you it'll benice you send me your fedex
account, but count, but what amI?

Speaker 1 (17:58):
yeah, oh, that's funny.
And so who on?
Well, let's say this what, whattour represents right now your
most players?

Speaker 2 (18:10):
uh, the corn fairy tour right now.
Um, I have quite a few guys outthere, which is always a good
stepping point.
It's like you know, at onepoint in time I had over 22 guys
on the corn fairy tour.
Um, you know so, and andhonestly, for me, I travel all
the tours on my own.
So I go from the pga tour, thecorn fairy tour, lpga tour and

(18:31):
it's kind of tough because notbeing out on every tour, like I
say, like some of these otherbrands that have reps on every
company, on every tour, theyhave visibility on every tour.
Every time, like if I leave thetour for a couple weeks, it's
almost like out of sight, out ofmind.
Some of the other brands willattack my players and say, hey,
you know, garcia's never comingout here again.
We heard the company's folding.
You should get yourself intothis grip, that grip, and then

(18:53):
it's kind of like oh yeah, youknow.
So it's been a battle, but youknow it's been a battle that I'm
still pursuing and not going toquit, because I, you know, the
company is just getting biggerand bigger and it's like, you
know, the tour wins are provingit and, and the thing about it
too, it gives me a lot ofsatisfaction to know that I'm
not just slapping a new name ona product and changing the color

(19:15):
scheme and still saying I havea have a new grip.
You know it's.
It's kind of like.
The fact is, I know that mygrips are, like I said, all
technology-based and I can proveit.
I'm not just designing a gripjust to put my name on it and
get it out there.
I go through a process of everytime I design a grip, I work
with some coaches, I get all thedata to prove that it's working

(19:36):
.
I take feedback from players aswell.
That's like all the R&D outthere.
I'm asked what would you liketo help me design this grip?
Like you know, when the Max 15grip first came out, that was
designed for Tony Fina, whichwas his first win at the Puerto
Rico Open.
Because his hands were so big,his hands were falling off the
bottom part of the original Maxgrip and then from the Max grip

(20:08):
went to the ultimate grip, whichwas his, which was designed for
him, and now recently justlaunched the ultimate 17, which
has become a really big seller,with a lot of people that are in
the lab putters.
Which thanks.
Then congrats to sam for justselling his company for 200
million.
Yeah, that would be nice youknow right I mean, come on now,
I remember meeting sam when hefirst got out on tour and you
see, you know, yeah, it's anuphill battle, man, because I
tell you, I mean I can't tellyou how many companies I've seen
come out there and try andlaunch a product on tour,

(20:30):
especially in the putterbusiness, the putter side of it,
I mean that is very, very, verytough to even try.
It's not easy.
It's not easy to get a playerin a putter out on tour.
No, no, there's no limited, alimited amount of guys, because
you know you're talking aboutthe companies in line with um,
you know, with other companiestoo, they will also promote
certain brands, like shaftcompanies promote certain brands

(20:52):
to their players for their, fortheir oem market uh products
and it's, you know, a lot of itgoes as well as, like putter
brands come out there and it'slike, if you're under a contract
with somebody, nine, more thannine times out of ten, you're
using their putter too.
So, basically, the onlycompanies that aren't really
pushing use a putter are strixon, um and pxg.

(21:15):
Yeah, if you're, if you're inthe contract with callaway,
you're using honesty putter.
With titus, you're using acameron putter.
With Titus, you're using aCameron putter.
Taylor made a spider, so it'sreally for me, even though it's
a grip, you don't think it'sgoing to be that difficult to be
out there.
It's pretty difficult toobecause, as I said, there's, you
know, these companies beingaway with other companies.
They're paying players outthere to use their grip.

(21:37):
They're paying coaches topromote their grip for them.
They're giving them bonuses forwins to get a men's and ladies
Rolex watch for using yourputter grip.
You know it's like, hey, I'dlove to do that, but it's like
kind of like.
It kind of baffles me.
So I'm thinking, you know, toget a Rolex watch.
It's like, dude, you just wonover a million friggin dollars.

(21:57):
What's more important to you?
Something that's going to makeyour game better or getting a
watch?
And getting a watch that Iheard is fake anyway.
So what's the difference?
Because I mean literally thinkabout this.
I mean, everybody knows howdifficult it is to get a Rolex
watch.
You just don't walk in thestore and buy a Rolex, no, and
you just can't walk in the weekon all the tours.
How are you going to walk intoa rolex store I don't care who

(22:27):
your connection is and buy fourrolexes?
yeah, that are personalized forthem, and if you're dropping,
you know, 50 grand or more amonth.
That's you know, do the math.
You're looking at half amillion dollars you're going to
be giving away in Rolex watches.
I mean, I mean, you got to beshoot yourself in the head for

(22:47):
that one.
I'd rather have 500, you know,half a million dollars in my
pocket than happen to give awaya watch to a player because,
using my product Right, Ibelieve I'd love to be able to.
You know, hey, here's anincentive, here's 10 grand for
winning with my grip, somethinglike that One day.
Hopefully I do get there.
But, like I say, it's like ifyou're going to give away a
product, I mean give them ahigh-end product.

(23:07):
From what I know, the watchesare like the lowest brand level
there is in Rolex and, as I said, it's a men's and ladies' watch
too.
And it's just kind of weirdthat how, during COVID, that the
company wasn't able to get ahold of these watches and give
them out.
As far as I know, rolexes areproduced in China, they're

(23:30):
produced in Switzerland and ifyou were buying that many
watches, you'd be gettingdirectly from the factory, if
you ask me.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
That's just my opinion.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
I'm not really putting anything out there
saying that this has actuallyhappened, but this is rumors
that I've heard out on tours.
A lot of people put it togetherand I find it hard to believe.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
It's crazy, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Do you think the putter grip market is
oversaturated with too manydesigns?
Yeah, in a sense.
Um, a lot, a lot of companiesnow are coming out with yeah,
they're just coming out with toomuch.
I mean, the 21 inch grip, the17 inch grip, this, that um,
claw, armlock claw, and it'sjust kind of like.
Not only only is it a puttergrip market, the putter

(24:20):
manufacturers themselves, I mean.
I see, so I mean, on a weeklybasis, these companies are
coming out with what had beenalready come out with this week
four different designs.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Well, I work for Callaway.
I'm a fitter for Callaway.
I do part-time work, right, I'ma club fitter.
And when I found out we had 30SKUs of Odyssey putters this
year, I was like wow, and that'swhat you see.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
You don't see all the new stuff that is out on tour
that they're trying to promote,oh yeah, Right, yeah, On a
weekly basis as well.
It's, it's, it's insane, it'sjust.
It baffles me.
That's why I'm saying it's likehow they push their product out
there to players.
It's like let a player playwith what he wants to, but I see
it out there so much thatthey're just constantly pushing

(25:06):
these new products on these guys.
It's like, you know, and I feelthat the guys that are more
successful are guys that haven'treally changed, that stay with
what they've been in for so long.
And I think when you get a guythat's in that routine of
constantly changing it's, he'snot going to go anywhere.
I mean, granted, there islightning in a bottle.
I had Brandon Steele put mygrip and play the first week and

(25:28):
went out and won with it.
You know, and I just look atsome of these guys and I say to
myself, first of all, if you'regoing to make any type of change
, working with Mike Shannon, hesays you've got to give yourself
six weeks.
Absolutely, You've got to see,you've got to take the good and
the bad, but you've got to give.
You've got to put yourself sixweek commitment into it and take

(25:49):
a look at well, is thisbenefiting me or not?
And if not, then you make achange.
But you're not going to make achange and just go out and play
four rounds of golf in it andexpect it to be.
You know, know that it's anybetter or not, Because you know,
we both know, good players havebad days, you know, and whether
it's off the tee, whether it's,you know their irons, whether

(26:10):
it's with putting chipping,there's nobody that's been out
there.
I mean Randolph for Tigers, asperfect he was there and he did
for so long.
I don't think we're ever goingto see anybody else win seven
tournaments in a row.
That'll never happen in alifetime.
But I mean look at thededication he had and he never
switched.
Ever, no, I mean, I think he'sprobably still using the same

(26:31):
player.
You know they play with thesame grip style.
Everything's the same, he's not.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
He had that Nike phase, but those things were so
closely resembled to what he wasplaying with anyways.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Well, things were so closely resembled to what I was
playing with anyways, so well,even though there was the Nike
phase that they were, they wereblueprints of what?

Speaker 1 (26:45):
he was playing with.
When he was playing, he justhad the Nike brand on it.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
He just had a logo on it Right and that, and that's
basically what's going on outthere now with all these
companies.
They're all just copying eachother when it comes to putter

(27:09):
manufacturing there, like withthe no torque putters that are
out there.
It's amazing how actually notorque has been around for oh a
long time, long time the batterybecause you had success with it
being very popular with it.
Now everybody wants to try andget back into it.
I mean um, which you know in asense to me.
I do say more power to Lab forwhat they've created.
I do think out of the no Torquebrands it is probably one of

(27:29):
the most intricate putters ofthem all because of all the
weighting, the Premier weightingand everything else.
That really makes a bigdifference compared to how
balanced it out is.
I had a great conversationyesterday with Liam who works
with Lab.
He's with TourRep out there andalso runs the tour department
in the office.
We had a great talk about thisand he goes.

(27:53):
You know we're really happythat all these companies have
been copying us.
It's just given us morerecognition because it just
proves to us how good ourproduct is and I'll be honest
with you, there's been companiesout there that have gotten
close to my designs.
And that's the problem with thedesign of a putter grip.
You have a design patent, onelittle change here and there.

(28:13):
You know it can change thedesign a bit, but they can't get
exact.
I actually had one putter gripcompany.
I noticed that they bought oneof every grip off my website.
I saw by the email.
So I uh emailed him and I saidhey, listen, I said I noticed
you bought one of all my gripsoff the website.
You should have contacted me.
I'd have been more happy togive you you know the tour tour

(28:35):
discount or just you know thepud pricing.
Um, he's well, no, no, no.
I just really want to supportyour company.
I'm really happy to see howsuccessful you are.
I wanted to reach out and buysome goods.
I'm like, oh really, are yousure you're not trying to knock
me off?
Lol.
He goes oh, no, no, no, I'dnever do that.
But sure enough, a couplemonths later one of their brands

(28:55):
came out which was really,really close to mine.
But there's another company toothat tried to contact me, told
me I was infringing on hispatents.
I'm like, buddy, my grips areall patented.
How am I infringing?
Why don't you contact thepatent department and why are
you contacting me?
yeah yeah, so it's like I'vegone through so many battles.
You know companies calling mymanufacturer in China that I was

(29:19):
producing my grips with thecompany at the same time as they
were, and they tried to tellthe company they couldn't
produce my grips because I wasinfringed on their patents.
And you know, my patentattorney had to send a letter.
Well, if you would have doneyour homework, you'd notice
right away that we are notinfringing, we are patented.
There is no infringement here.
But next time, if you have anyissues, reach out to us.
Don't try and threaten thecompany, the manufacturer in

(29:41):
china.
It's like you know and theywere burning, burning.
We can't make your grips anymore.
You know we got a letter from x, x, y and z selling saying you
know you're infringing on theirpatents.
We don't want to get so wrongyeah, no, I know, but I mean I
literally had a coach call merecently said so, bernie, what's
your incentive to get golfersin your grip?

(30:02):
I said said my incentive is it'sgoing to make them a better
putter, it's the sticks thatprove it, the technology I have.
If the player commits to it,it'll, in time, make them a
better putter, he goes well.
You know, I got this brand.
They're paying me X amount ofdollars to promote their grips
and they're doing this and thatfor players and I said, well,
listen, I have X amount of totalwins.

(30:22):
I've never played a player,I've never had to pay a coach,
and I think that speaks foritself, absolutely.
It does.
You know.
I mean I don't think there'sanother putter company out there
that can say that they have agold, silver and bronze in the
last three Olympics.
You know, I mean that is pretty.

(30:45):
You know, I mean that that ispretty and you know that's.
That's a pretty high achievementthat I'm very proud of,
absolutely.
Yeah, it's.
It's pretty neat to seeyourself.
I remember the first timegetting out on tour and say I
just want to see one playergetting my grip.
The next thing you're seeingsomebody on TV.
Now it's, like you know, on aweekly basis seeing somebody
else.
I mean, from the percentage ofthe guys that I have on tour,
compared to the bigger brands,when I have a guy out there on

(31:05):
tour, that's, you know, in thelast group or wins in that week,
it's, you know, it's just sucha big achievement, um, it's just
such a great feeling and themarketing value of that you
can't pay for that yeah, oh,absolutely.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
I mean, I remember the first time I saw lydia ko
with a garson grip.
I got goosebumps.
I'm like, oh wow, that's soawesome, you know yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
I mean, you know, not only Lydia, I mean Brooke.
You know she's won a major aswell with my grip up there and
she's doing well for me inCanada.
And it's so funny because itwas like, you know, Brooke got
out of my grip for a while.
She's back in it.
You know the same thing now.
Yeah, she's back in it as well.
And I just got a couple of newplayers in it on the LPGA this

(31:45):
week and Carlock Carlock, thesame dollar.
She's been in my group for awhile as well.
Top Spanish player.
And yeah, but it's the samething out there.
If I had my way, honestly I'dprobably just stay on the LPGA
tour.
I mean, the women out there,they're so nice to work with
they, please.
Thank you, hello.
They appreciate things.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
It's a different world because they really have
to earn it.
It's not handed to them as muchas it is to the men.
As far as marketing themselves,they really have to put in a
lot of work.
So anytime they have someonelike you that's out there
helping them get better, youknow they're a lot more

(32:25):
respectful for it right.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Well, the thing is I'm not out on tour to make guys
a worse putter.
You know I'm not trying to helpyou.
You know, um, and it's like alot of a lot of it is too is
like people don't realize noneof the things.
So I just didn't design aputter grip.
Like each one of my grips aredesigned for civic style of
putter head.
You use the way you hold theputter.

(32:48):
Um, you know, like you've got aface balanced putter, I
recommend a certain grip.
If you're left hand low, Irecommend a certain grip.
If you're traditional, you'vegot a putter face more toe hang,
I recommend a certain.
So that's the whole premise ofthe Larson grips as well.
It's not just another puttergrip.
There is something in everygrip that is designed.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Now are you using Quintec or SAM, or even now,
foresight, to get data to helpthe players?
I use all of that Right.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yeah, I used it all.
And I tell the playersthemselves, being out on tours
it's really hard to try and workwith a player and tell them you
know this isn't going to makeyou better unless you can really
prove it.
So it's not a whole.
I tell them put a grip on aputter, take it back home, go
work in the studio with yourplayer.
But a lot of it too is guys.

(33:40):
I mean, if you don't have thatdata available, if you put with
it for you know five, 10 minutes, you know, you know it feels
better or not, yeah, but if youwant the true results, the true
proof of it, I would challengeanybody to get into a Garsham
grip and go get your statschecked.
You know and I can get.
I can say I will guarantee itbecause I've got all the data

(34:04):
and I've had all.
I've had studies done with withyou know players, coaches doing
studies with my grips comparedto other grips, how much better
mine perform.
I will back my grip 100.
I'm telling you it will makeyou a better putter, just like.
Oh, this driver's gonna makeyou hit it 10 yards further.
Why?
Because you put a different skipaint scheme on it and call it
something new.
You know, and that's another.
You know the whole thing everyyear, these companies coming out
with these new clubs, you know.
And then the shaft market.
It's just, it's such a crazymarket where you know, and you,

(34:28):
you and I both, though you go to.
You go out one day you feelgreat, you're hitting the ball
like you never believe.
The next day you go out it'slike what am I doing out here
playing golf, yeah, yeah it's uh, it is a wild green the the
dirtiness, it's still.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
That still troubles me.
How, how, what these otherbrands that are out there are
willing to like sabotage.
That is good, great and thatyou know it's much like the lab
validation of people creatingzero torque putters companies.
Trying to sabotage your companyis validation.
You know that you're doingsomething right right.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
no, I know I'm, I'm, you know it used to bug me, um,
but now I'm, you know I'm veryhappy about it because it just
proves to me that I'm doingsomething right.
And you know, and it's I'll behonest with you, I'm one of the.
You know, I am definitely thesmallest brand out there
compared to some of theselargest OEMs, and to know that
I'm, you know, up there in thetop three for the amount of

(35:28):
grips being used on the PGA Touris a pretty good satisfaction,
pretty good feeling.
And you know, I, as I said inthe beginning, I got an investor
which, within the first sixmonths, bought him out because
they were just trying to, like Isay, sabotage.
I found out they were justtrying to, like you know, bring
the company down and thought Iwas going to be able to buy it
out and pay off the patents,because, you know, they tried to

(35:50):
sue me and, you know, granted,I had to pay back the money they
invested and start all overagain.
Had I wished, I would havelooked at myself now and done it
differently, I would have.
But that's, you know, that'swhat happens To know, now that I
started with one grip and now Ihave 11 different designs and
out of the 11, I believe, eightof them, eight of the designs,

(36:14):
have won on tour.
That's amazing.
So I mean it's pretty excitingto know that you know the one of
the first times the player putsone of your grips in play, goes
out and not only wins but winsa gold medal with your grip as
well.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yeah, that I mean the gold medal's special.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
It doesn't happen every year, no, it doesn't
happen every year, that's onceevery four years.
You know, yeah, and you know so, having Lydia, lydia's, the
gold and the bronze, and Henrikwon the silver with the max grip
and each one's with a differentgrip.
So it's pretty cool with thattoo.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yeah.
So guys that are under contract, do they ever approach you
about wanting to change?
Or how does that like?
If a player is interested butthey're under contract, are you
allowed to let them tinker?
Is there is a rules for that,or?

Speaker 2 (37:06):
putter grips.
They're not under contract butit's like it's crazy how, just
because you know, like I said,certain companies out there are
offering perks to use theirputter grip, how that will stick
in guys heads.
And not only that it's like someof the OEMs out there will push
another brand more becausethey're also getting kickbacks
to do that.

(37:26):
I do know just a lot of otherthings that happen out there Now
.
It used to be a lot easier toapproach players, but now
there's so much more involved.
There's a lot more coaches outthere like, well, this is not
what I believe in.
This is what I'm trying to workwith him on it.
I think this is better for him.

(37:48):
I actually had a player Caddy,call me on tennis and Bernie,
I'm really upset about this, butI quit working for my player
because he got out of your gripand the first time he got into
your grip he had his best statsand best finish all year.

(38:10):
He got his tour card backbecause of your grip and a few
weeks later, um, he was out ofmy grip, back into one of the
competitors only because, well,you know, here's your 500
monthly bonus for using the grip.
Here's your incentive.
I mean it's crazy to thinkabout what these little
incentives do to players outthere, but you know what?
I guess I guess money talks andI mean it's crazy to think
about what these littleinsanities do to players out
there, but you know what?
I guess, money talks.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
I mean, that's one of the things that bugs me about
Liv is there's no.
Golf has always been a gamewhere, if you are good and you
are talented and you'recharismatic and you go out there
and you work hard and you winyou earn it.
No, earn it.

(38:46):
No, nobody goes out there andplays like ass and earns it.
Uh, you, you have to.
You have to win, you have toplay, and that's kind of what
bugged me about.
Live is like, you know, you'retaking the the grind away from
it and they're you look at thosea lot of the live players now

(39:06):
that just were amazing golfersthree years ago, it's.
You know, cameron Smith is abig person that I look at.
You know this was the guy thatwas at the top of his game,
right, and the drive to win hasjust been removed from him.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
In my opinion, well, if they're getting paid, no
matter, there's no cut, you knowthey're.
They're out there making money,making a lot of money.
Um, I'm curious to see whereit's gonna go.
You know, we've all beenhearing about this going back
together, but then, if thathappens, I'm I'm just curious to
see what's gonna happen.
How are you gonna bring backthese top players and put them
right back in there, the thickof things?

(39:43):
Or you've got a guy that's inthe top 70 to play in the
elevated events and they bringback 10 live guys.
So what does that mean?
By bottom 10 are gone, and Ithink, if you want them back on
the PGA tour, make them go backto Q school.
Yep, they have no status ontour.
Yep, if you really want it thatbad as you're talking about the
drive if you really want to getback on the tour, you're not

(40:05):
happy with your decision, fine,go prove that you really want to
be out here and put the workback in.
Yeah, cause I mean, you've gotall these young kids out there
now that are striving to get ontour and have been putting in
the work, and then it's like and, and then it's like and it's
getting harder and harder everyyear, like you know.

(40:25):
This is the last, this lastweek at greensboro was the last
monday qualifier.
Yeah, there's going to be nomore monday qualifiers for guys
that you know live in the dream.
Go out there, go on a mondayqualifier, they get into a
tournament and they end upfinishing top 10, top 25.
They get to play in a couple ofevents or whatever.
That's going, yeah, you know,and so this is going to be
really strange to see what'sgoing to happen if it ever does

(40:46):
coincide, or where the tours docome back together.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
One of my favorite stories and I've talked about
this on the podcast before.
But Ryan Moore played at UNLVlocal guy, so of course, big
Rymo fan.
But he got a big paycheck frompaying.
Coming out of college, I mean,he had one of the greatest
amateur years ever and he signeda huge contract with paying and

(41:11):
he went out there and he saidhe admitted it that my desire to
win was not there because I hadthe money.
I didn't have to go out andearn the money, and so he lost
his game and and he came to thatrealization and then went
straight independent.
He was playing Adams for awhile, um, and just whatever

(41:34):
clubs he thought made him playbetter and he and he got his
game back and he solely said itwas.
You know, I got clouded bymoney because you know, the
desire to have to go out thereand earn money for my family was
just gone.
Right, right, it's a differentlevel.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
It's a different level and you think about live,
not only just the money, thebonus they get just for signing.
Yeah, I mean it's like, okay, Ijust got X amount of millions
of dollars.
It's like I'll go shoot 80 forthree days who cares I play golf
in shorts.
It's a shotgun start I meanI've done it of live events it
is.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
It is a whole different atmosphere oh we, the
one in vegas we went to just be,I mean because we're golf nerds
.
You know, I love golf.
I don't I'm not a big fan oflive, but I'm a golf nut, so I'm
gonna go watch golf, no matterwhere it is yeah, but yeah, it's
, it's, it's insane because youknow, I know all those guys
they're not on tour.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
I've got a number of players out there that have been
in my grip of one, in my gripgrip out there and it's like you
know, and it's like just theirlevel.
You can see how they're just somuch more laid back out there.
It's like you know.
And but yeah, start to thinkabout you're saying the money.
What John Romkett?
400 million just to join.
Think about that.

(42:49):
How many people in theirlifetime, with their whole
family, he could have bought labtwice Right.
Right, exactly.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Hey, so are your grips available in retail.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Yes they are.
We're in all-club champions.
We're in a lot of specialtyshops.
You can go on the GarsonGolfcomand look at our website and
it'll tell you where they'reavailable.
I mean, I was in PGA Tour superstores but to be honest with
you, that's just like being lost.
You walk in, there's so muchpresence from another company
and my grips are in a little binand it's just kind of like you

(43:25):
know, and I mean, and I'm onanother retail side, I can't
tell you how hard and how long Ifought to get into the big
retail stores too.
One brand was paying off.
You know people to keep smallerbrands or my brand out out of
the stores.
Um, I've I've fought an uphillbattle, you know, and I'm really
happy right now to work withandrew, who's on board with me,

(43:46):
who's like my managing directorof the company.
I met andrew through um.
He was working with anothercompany that was involved with.
They were, they were handlingall my marketing distribution
and that went well for the firstyear.
And then they tried to acquirepart of my company and the deal
didn't go through because Iwasn't going to give up 40% of

(44:07):
my company from what they wereoffering.
So they kind of just like letthe company go on the wayside.
And really, you know it wasrough and Andrew's been on board
since December.
He actually worked for theother company but he was fired
through email when our contractended and I tried to get out of
the contract but my attorney'slike, well, you know what it's
going to cost you more to getout of the contract than just

(44:28):
letting it go through for them.
But it really put a damper onthe recognition of Garson.
The social media was crap.
You, it really put a damper onthe recognition of Garson.
The social media was crap.
It was like, but they had thecontract with social media.
So I'm very happy now with mymarketing side.
Jeff Walker is doing a greatjob with Andrew.
They're doing weekly stuff,weekly promotions, getting a lot
of brand recognition out therewith a lot of coaches, and I'm

(44:51):
seeing a lot more presence nowon Instagram People doing some
videos themselves showing themchanging grips.
On the way how I change grips, Idon't know where I'm cutting
out the super, stroking,throwing away.
I see people doing this and youknow it's like.
You know I've been approached.
Oh, you shouldn't do this.
I'm like, why not?
It's a free world.

(45:11):
It's like I'm very proud whereI'm taking off a putter grip and
putting on another putter grip.
You know, I mean I've beenthrough so a lot out there with,
like I'm saying, with thingsthat I've seen happen to me and
things that have happened to me.
I have no shame to admit that Ihave a good product.
It's just that, as I said,politics out there, I don't have

(45:34):
the resources to put millionsof dollars into marketing.
If I did, you know, my goal isjust to you know, one day be the
number one putter grip companyout there.
And I think if I just continueon the road I'm down, keep doing
what I'm doing, it's feasible.
I know it is Like I said, Ican't think of another

(45:55):
individual company out therethat has 85 truants, as I mean,
I'm actually doing some customgrips for the big company in
Japan.
Right, well, this grip companyhas given us their grips at this
cost.
I'm like, yeah, well, that'sthat grip company.
How many truants they have.
Yeah, why are you going to paymore for a Garson grip?
That's why you have a lot moreto go by.

(46:15):
Can they claim they won a gold,silver, bronze in the last
three Olympics?
Do they have 85 tour wins, youknow so.
No, you have one tour playerout on tour that uses your grip
and he's actually not even onthe tour.
He's on the lift tour.
Yeah, no, yeah.

(46:42):
Is the garson semi-truck tourvan coming.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
That's another whole otherstory.
Trying to get a truck out ontour is almost impossible.
I mean, I mean, believe me, forwhat it cost me to be out on
tour, you think it might be morefeasible to get a truck?
I mean between the tours alone.
Just just to be out on tourbetween the Korn Ferry tour and
the LPGA tour, the initial costof me, my credential and
everything for the year is closeto $15,000.

(47:05):
That's dropping that everyfirst year.
That's not included.
Then the travels throughout theyear, the airplanes, the hotels
, the rent-a-cars, the meals andall that.
That's just to get started.
That's just to get startedthat's just to get started
that's to have space on trucksfor the trucks to carry your bag
to.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
You know, be able to work on the trucks right, yeah,
wow and for your, so the trucksthat you are shooting those
videos out of?
How?
What's is that like a pga?
Yeah, that's the wilson tourvan.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
The wilson tour van.
Okay, I, my bag is cartedaround every week to week with
the Tour van.
So when I first started I wascarting my bag from tournament
to tournament.
I was.
I didn't have a place to changegrips.
I was going out back.
I used to bring a little bottleof solvent and a razor blade,
knife and tape and do it myselfuntil I you know, believe me,
yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
That's crazy's crazy so is.
Is that a partnership you havewith them, or is it just why I
pay on the truck, that's, I payfor the space.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
The same thing like the corn ferry tour truck.
I pay, you know, a yearly feeto be out there, which gives me
they do the same.
They park my bag around, I havethe rights to work in the truck
, I have a drawer for the gripsand all that.
That's good.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
That helps.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
I mean it's like knowing that first, when the
first year comes on, there goes15 grand.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Yeah, man, that's crazy.
All right, you said somethingearlier that I wanted to come
back to Um you.
You said that the the guy atthe golf shop or where you
worked at the said uh, you,potentially senior tour.
How good of a stick were you,uh I was pretty good don't look

(48:48):
at him being bashful.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Yeah, and it's funny because you know I I recently
because I had solar surgery acouple years ago.
I recently gone back and'mplaying.
I can get around a little 70still.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
And that's just playing once every couple weeks.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
You know that's not even like consistently hitting
golf balls.
All right, you were a stick.
We went out a couple weeks agoand I think I shot 400 on the
back nine.
You know, I had a chance theother day.
We were out playing.
I was three-ender, coming intosix and what do I do?
Double bogey, bogey, bogey.
You know what I'm saying, youknow.
But still to shoot, you know,one over par, you know I mean,

(49:20):
and I'm 66 years old, you know.
But you know a lot more goesinto that.
You know I still work out.
I'm trying to stay in shape.
Plate with that.
And it's like I said, I used todo it all at one time do the
traveling, do all, do all theshipping, do all the receiving.
Now, having the warehouse spaceand having andrew help me out

(49:43):
and having, you know we got theuh distribution going and the
marketing and and having thegrip sent out, it's, it's.
It saves a lot.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
But oh, I bet, yeah, I bet.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
That's all I mean I've been known to take money
from tour players out thereputting.
Everybody knows I'm one of thebest putters what's it?

Speaker 1 (50:04):
what's in your bag?
What, what's, uh, what's theyour bag makeup consistent right
now my bag makeup consistent.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Right now I've got taylor made uh drive driver
three wood and hybrids.
I've got tour proto irons andright now I've got a pretty no
torque putter in my bag malletputter interesting yeah,
interesting.
I go from putter to putter, butI'll tell you what.
It's pretty special.
I've got hundreds of putters.

(50:31):
I mean I bet, oh yeah, I trythem all.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
I get them all right.
Yeah, yeah, I'm a putter geek,I I I love playing with
different putters.
I love different feels.
Uh, this goodwood that I gotright now though it's the
honeymoon phase has lasted acouple months, and so it's not
going anywhere anytime soon yeah, I know I've tended to do the
same thing.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
It's like, oh, let me try this one this week.
But now this one's been in mybag for a while and I feel
really comfortable with it andthe funniest thing is about it
no matter what putter is my bagthe original design.
The max grip is is my grip ofchoice is your grip choice yeah
I mean, they're all great.
I mean so the whole philosophy.
Now with the quad grip, it'sthe same technology of the max,

(51:11):
but more traditional and the maxis the one that has a spine
down the middle, right yeahexactly the one that's shaped
like that, so it gets your handsopen up.
So basically, the shape of thequad is getting the same
position, but with your thumbson top, like I said, getting
your elbows in.
And the best thing about thegrips is if anybody that knows
that, they know that there's nobreakdown at impact, like if you

(51:36):
get tense with your stroke andsqueeze the putter grip.
At times the putter is going togo left or right, but with the
garson grips the design allowsyour hands to stay more stable,
no matter what grip pressure youput on the grip that's good to
know.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Yeah, yeah, I, I have a couple of those, the max
grips on some putters and, and,uh, my buddy dan, who's on the
podcast, his really good putterand I handed it to him one time
and he was like, eh, get thatout of my hands.
I said, yeah, it's not foreverybody, but you got to try it
.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Yeah, okay, right.
No, it's not for everybody.
It feels different in thebeginning, but just give it some
time.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
What was your thoughts on the Lampkin sell to
Super Stroke?
Did that catch you by surpriseat all?

Speaker 2 (52:18):
I know Superstroke has been trying to get in the
swing grip market for a longtime.
It's hard to even say what thewholesale was about.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
No comment I had my thoughts, but no comment, we'll
save face.
We'll save face, all right, doyou want to get into what you're
doing outside of golf?

Speaker 2 (52:39):
No, I'm just getting into a new venture.
We can talk.
Well, I'm, you know, I'mdesigning another brand, another
getting into a new sport, butI'm kind of taking some of the
golf technology that I'velearned and putting it into
something else that's out there.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
All right, well, I'll tell everybody yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Stay tuned for that, because we had a conversation.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Continue to launch to another venture.
Yeah, before hopping on.
And is it still going to beunder Garson name?
Probably.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
It'll be something by Garson, whatever Right.
Yeah, I like it.
I like it Well.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
Bernie, thank you so much for hopping on.
I like it.
I like it.
Well, uh, bernie, thank you somuch for hopping on.
I've been here.
I've been wanting to do thisfor so long.
I'm glad people found out alittle bit more about the
company, more about you and whatyou're doing out there.
Um, the dirty stuff going on ontour man Larson golfcom.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Go on, check us out.
Um.
Any questions, reach out onInstagram.
More happy to help you with anydecisions.
You have any comments, anyquestions about what style of
grip you want for what putter?
What is best?
Always here to help out.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Yep, I'll have all the links in the show notes.
Uh with uh how to get in touchwith them through their website,
social media and all that stuff.
So, again, bernie, thank you somuch for coming on, excited to
see what's happening for you inthe future, and we're going to
keep our eyes on Garson Golf.
Got it, man, all right?
Thanks a lot.
Shout out, all the best,everybody.

(54:11):
Thank you Bye.
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