#32 Debating Mission Impossible vs Marvel, College Education Value, and Sharing Food Memories

Carlos & Robert chat: Have you ever wondered how the Mission Impossible series manages to deliver one thrilling installment after another? We unpack this mystery in our latest episode, discussing director Christopher Macquarie's captivating style and Tom Cruise's ability to drive a story. We also draw comparisons between the practical effects of the Mission Impossible series and the CGI of Marvel movies. Plus, get ready to experience the nostalgia as we revisit the legendary Harrison Ford’s varied roles and the iconic DeLorean from Back to the Future. 

As we venture further, we address the ongoing debate on the value of a college education. Can you imagine attending college classes without paying or having an AI professor? To lighten the mood, we confess our favorite Taco Bell treats and our cherished taco spots, and even delve into the fascinating world of pies.

We then move on to discuss our football fandom, and the unique spirit of attending high school football games. We also offer an insider's view of the University of Central Florida's growth and how universities attract students. Our conversation about career choices and self-actualization is especially enlightening as we share our thoughts on the importance of choosing a career path that brings joy rather than misery. Lastly, we end on a scrumptious note, reminiscing about our favorite food memories from Taco Bell, tortilla making, and our ultimate pies and crumbles. 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
We are back.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Not from outer space.
This does not from outer space,Exactly so have you seen the
new Mission Impossible movie yet?

Speaker 1 (00:08):
No, half my family went to go see it last night,
half.
Yeah, well, my mom took two, mykids Okay.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yeah yeah.
We went on Tuesday as a wholefamily and it's sweet, is it?
It's really good.
I mean, the Mission Impossiblemovies have been kind of on a
steady upward trajectory, Iagree, and this one I don't know
if it tops the last one falloutis so good, but it's right
there with it, really nothingelse.
It's really, really.
I was intense that last.
It is holy cow.
This one's very intense too.

(00:35):
I was very impressed.
I think they did a fantasticjob with it.
Again, it's the same Crew andteam as well, I should say the
same director, as in the lasttwo.
What's his name?
His name is a ChristopherMacquarie.
Okay, he wrote Valkyrie.
Oh yeah, I didn't realize thatwrote and directed the Jack
Reacher movie with Tom CruiseOkay, which I think is a

(00:56):
fantastic movie if you can getaround.
You know Tom Cruise being hedid too right.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
He did not do the second one wait, no, no, no,
cruz was in two of them.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah, the second movie.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
I did not like it.
Oh, it was not good, andMacquarie didn't.
Honestly, that book was notvery good either.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
I never go back.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, one shot wasawesome.
Yeah, I mean it slaps.
It's really really good Bookand movie.
But yeah, he, he wrote anddirected that.
He did Rogue Nation, which isthe fifth mission possible, and
fallout, which was the last onesix, and so he's in for dead
reckoning one and part two nextsummer and he's just I mean, he

(01:35):
understands the fundamentals.
He actually did, I think, oneof the major story rewrites or
Origination of top-notchMaverick as well.
Really, yeah, he's a fantasticscreenwriter.
He's the I think he's the guywho did the screenplay and the
whole thing for the usualsuspects oh, shut up.
Yeah, yeah, he's.
Yeah, he's really good, holycow.

(01:57):
And he talks on Twittersometimes.
I occasionally check in on hisTwitter account.
He'll talk about likestorytelling stuff and he's just
dudes, dudes, the writer first,but he's got a great Ability to
direct.
Does Cruz write stuff too?
I don't think so.
No, I think he just knowsenough about story that, like
he'll sit down with the writersand be like this is bullshit.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah, he's a pretty back to the driving drawing
board and flush it down thetoilet.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
He's.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
I don't know, I I've always liked him.
I like his work, his work.
I think his work ethic isincredible.
Yeah, exactly, I mean, he's amaniac, he really is.
Whatever happens behind thescenes I really don't care about
.
But yeah, and I'll tell youwhat.
You know what they did withMaverick.
And now, if you're, you know,if they're, if they're, if I

(02:43):
mean, how far they, how long arethey trying to go with the
mission possible movies?

Speaker 2 (02:47):
I don't know.
I mean if this one I'm theamount of commitment to
practical effects versus allthis CGI garbage that they're
doing nowadays.
Like you know, you watch a lotof these movies and there's no
weight to what happens.
Right, you'll see them andthey're like rolling around
through the streets and theyjust doesn't feel like there's

(03:07):
any.
It doesn't feel like it's real.
Yeah, the stuff they do inmission impossible is almost all
real, like there's some CGItouch Work done and stuff, but
like they built a train and thenwrecked it.
For this one they had TomCruise driving off a mountain
with a helicopter behind him ona motorcycle.
I remember that and they'relike filming it.
I'm just like this Do you knowhow many.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
But you know what's funny is, you say that and you
know how many.
How much content has beengenerated because of that, like
all the interviews that he'sdone.
I think I've seen clips fromFive, six different interviews,
not like I'm following it, juston the motorcycle scene.
Yeah right, because everybodywants to know how they did it.
So it's, it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
It's like they built this this world around, not just
the movie, but the making ofthe movie as well, which is
pretty cool man, it's hype and Imean I I have to admit it's
hype for a reason because I'veseen the behind the scenes of
the Marvel movies and you know alot of.
It's just there's giant greenscreens in every direction and
they're you know a scene of themrunning and then getting lifted

(04:11):
up by a wire and whatnot, and Ilove that.
I'm thinking of Captain America, civil War specifically, where
it's like we have to keep thesecret from everybody and so
we're just basically filming ina giant green box.
And they do some really goodwork or have in the past, I
think over the last phase or two, marvel CGI work has kind of
gone to crap but, and so itlooked very cool and very
realistic and whatnot.

(04:31):
But there is a lack of weight toa lot of those scenes where it
just didn't feel, yeah, I'm like, oh, okay, you know, if you do
that wrong, I think the Russobrothers, who directed the last
two Captain America movies andthe last two Avengers movies,
did a really good job of likehaving stunt players and whatnot
in there, where it kind oflooked like Some of these things

(04:52):
had some weight to them.
But you get the wrong directorin there and they're doing stuff
, and it's like the last DoctorStrange is a good example of it.
They had all of these actionand effects scenes and it's like
none of it felt Real or like ithad any weight to it.
It was so fantastical that it'slike it's very pretty, yeah,
but it's like I think.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
But I think you, you were absolutely right.
That it's funny, because I lookat this when I'm writing as
well, I like to be, even thoughI'm writing fiction, grounded in
reality.
Right, like things that couldpossibly happen, right, and the
same thing.
I like what you're saying aboutthere's no weight, like
literally, it looks likeeverything's floating.
Yes, right like like think,when things crash, it looks a

(05:34):
certain way, yeah, it feels acertain way, like you feel that
in your bones when, like, let'ssay, two trains are colliding,
and it feel like and, and I getthat it's funny because I, I
hadn't thought about it untilyou said it that way, yeah, but
the weight of it absolutely likeHuh, now it see, now I want to
go back and look at a couplethings and watch a couple things

(05:54):
and and and really kind ofthink about how they, how they
made those things, because Ithink that's super important for
just realism.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Did you ever see the Harrison Ford movie the fugitive
?
Oh yeah, I love that movie.
You know they wrecked an actualtrain for that.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah, yeah, it was a big deal at the time, like it
wasn't totally out of the realmof possibility of that movie.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
It's one of my favorite thrillers of all time.
It's so good and and Ford'sreally good.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah, he's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
I'm generally a Harrison Ford fan.
I think you know, depending onthe material he's given, he can
do what about regarding Henry,he was really good.
Oh, that was such a good.
I haven't seen it in a longtime, but I remember him being
excellent.
Oh my gosh, I think I cry everytime I see that movie Really.
Yeah, I gotta go back and watchit again.
He's, he's solid.
I mean it's easy to miss thefact that he's in, the fact that

(06:40):
he's been a superstar for solong that he's actually a really
good actor.
Yeah, someone mentioned itactually because they were
talking about Indiana Jones 5because they start off with a 20
minute D-aged sequence wherehe's in there like that's not
Harrison Ford who's in theD-aged.
They got a young guy playinghim and you can tell like Ford
is very physical in his motionsand his acting and this guy

(07:02):
probably doing his best but likehe can't not him, he can't
mimic, yeah, harrison Ford'smovement.
Because Harrison Ford, I thinkabout it and it's like you know
he'll get.
He's talking to somebody andhe'll like get right up in their
face and like wag his finger inthat face when he's really mad
at him.
I'm thinking like there's ascene in Clear and Present
Danger where he gets up in theface of the I don't remember

(07:22):
that Henry Zerny, I think, isthe name of the actor who plays
Bob Ritter and he's just like,yeah, if there's menace, because
Harrison Ford's not a small guyand it's like his whole Frame,
his muscles in his neck arebunched up, you can see the
lines of his body and it's likeif you put me, an amateur crap
actor, into a scene like that,I'm like You're wrong, henry

(07:43):
Zerny.
Hey man, you're, you're right.
And I mean like my bodylanguage is gonna be I'm just
playing this, whereas you knowthe tension lines are not there.
There's no veins bulging out.
It's just me attempting topretend I'm angry, because I'm
not actually mad at him.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
This scene from Back, of the Future comes to mind.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Hey man, let go of my girl, or whatever it is,
crispin Glover it's.
I've seen that movieapproximately 10,000 times.
Oh my gosh, no Biff, yeah, noBiff.
You leave her alone.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
I gotta go back and watch that with my kids.
I don't think I've seen it.
Oh, it's so good.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
The first one is the best, but the second two are
decently good yeah.
Very entertaining very reallyare.
That was my favorite movie as akid?
Was it really back to thefuture of?
Part one was my favorite.
I wanted his truck Really.
Yeah, I wanted the DeLorean.
Yeah, I wanted his truck.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
With the bling on the back.
Yeah, this is the fusion andall.
Yeah, I know, I know puttingputting up banana peels in and
egg cartons, yeah, beer.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, yeah, no, I love, I still have the DeLorean.
It's right over there.
A little miniature went overthere on my desk.
No joke, yeah, I'm a nerd.
That's the one you wanted.
I did.
I wanted the actual DeLoreanand have you ever driven?
one.
No, and nor do I want to atthis point.
I was I was a Acquainted withreality about it by a friend of

(09:03):
mine who's like you know thosethings don't drive for shit.
You can get one and you'll bespending most of your life doing
maintenance on it because theydon't run Well at all, or
calling a tow truck.
Well, basically, if you buy one, you kind of need to buy two in
order to have the spare partsto replace all the ones that are
Going on either.
They make.
It wasn't that many.

(09:23):
Yeah, I mean, you used to beable to.
I had a friend in high schoolwho was like you can buy one for
about two thousand dollars.
Jeez, they're not thatexpensive because they're kind
of pieces of crap.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yep, yep, I think I wanted to buy one for a couple
seconds, but I wanted.
I wanted Marty's truck that hegot at the end.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Well, just, yeah, that was a popular choice.
But did you see that they weregonna roll out a new electronic
electric DeLorean Mm-hmm yeah,and they rolled it out and like
did the intro video andeverything and it looks nothing
like a dollar and I'm really,why would you bother?

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Geez, I Think there's a way of doing it to like
having it just enough, but notnot to throwback.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, I mean it's got to have some sort of some sort
of connection right.
It can't just be like a total.
It can't be like a totalrip-off, where you look at it
and you're like that doesn'tlook anything like a delorean.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Yeah, look at this, this is what the new delorean
looks like oh, it's pretty, butthat doesn't look like a
delorean.
Exactly yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
I don't even remember being like that, but maybe that
is what it looks like.
Where is that?

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Is that parked in Paris?
Looks like it's parked on theSim.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
I don't even know.
That's from Carscoopscom.
It does not look like adelorean.
It looks like an Audi had sexwith a delorean and that came
out.
Maybe that's what happened.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Robert, maybe what happened, maybe Right in the
tailpipe.
Yeah, maybe it's AI generated.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Have you been playing with AI at all lately?
All day, every day, do you?
Really?
Yep, I've been not giving asmuch aid and comfort to the
future destroyer of mankind, butI wanted to start tutoring me
in math.
You can do that, I know.
I'm like.
I don't feel like my mathskills are up to stuff.
I'm like a 760 verbal SAT andmy math is sadly not.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, I mean so.
Recently I've read that thereare a couple schools I want to
say it was either Stanford orHarvard or something they are
developing AI which for incomingfreshmen would basically be
their own personal professors.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Nice, I mean it sounds like a huge waste of
money for the students whenthey'll probably be able to have
that for free soon.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Well, yeah, but you still get the whole experience.
But basically, what it is islike a professor in your pocket.
So if you're having a hard timewith whatever, it's completely
tailored to you, and I thinkit's absolutely brilliant,
because that's where we're going.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
I know that's where we're going with this.
I just want to say on therecord right now I don't want
any professor in my pocketunless she looks like Margot
Robbie.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Well, maybe, maybe.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Speaking of it, did you see the controversy this
week on Twitter where all thesepeople are saying that Margot
Robbie is like a five?
What they're like?
Oh, she's so mid.
I'm assuming these are peoplewho've never had sex, because
Margot Robbie is a nine or ten.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
She's beautiful by any metric and she's fantastic
in everything.
Yeah, pretty much that I'veseen her in.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Wolf of Wall Street.
I mean, she even was the brightspot.
She and Will Smith were thebright spot of that crappy first
Sue's Squad movie.
Yeah, I never saw that one.
It's not so good.
The second one's amazing, bythe way, the one with Idris Elba
.
I caught some of that.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
It was like when we were in the hotel.
You need to see that, and so ofcourse there were commercials,
so it was, like, you know, backand forth.
It's funny, you know, my kidsgrew up on streaming.
Yeah, so they're not used tocommercials and going back and
forth between channels.
Well now, after three weeks away, they're like professionals.
They memorized every channel onthe cruise ship.

(12:54):
They knew exactly where to findthis kind of movie or whatever.
And I mean they were watchinglike National Geographic, which
they would never do when we'reat home.
But they watched other movies,like what.
I walked into their room andthey're watching Drumline.
Do you remember that?

Speaker 2 (13:10):
movie I do.
It was Nick Cannon.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Yeah, nick Cannon, which it's actually a pretty
good movie, it was veryentertaining.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Father of all humanity in the next few years,
yeah, oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
How many kids does that dude?

Speaker 2 (13:20):
have Nine or ten.
Wow, you go, dude.
There was a I think I mighthave described this before, but
there was a meme where it's likethis is what humanity will look
like in 2042, and it'sbeautiful, and it's just Nick
Cannon with a bunch of differentfaces, A bunch of like with a
girl's hairstyles and boys'hairstyles and mustaches and
various kinds of facial hair.
Scientists have estimated thisis what humanity will look like

(13:44):
in 2042.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Oh gosh, nick, just Nick Cannon, they are.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Ryan Reynolds.
You know his own cotton.
What cottage industry is viralcontent?
He does those commercials forhis aviation, jen and Noble and
whatnot.
He has won a series of them fora drink he calls the vasectomy.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
I haven't seen that.
You haven't seen it, you shouldlook it up.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
He did one with Nick Cannon and he comes in at the
end and he's like how many kidsdo you have?
He's like nine.
He's like just I've got three.
Come here, let's just hug,let's just hold each other for a
minute.
It's so hard.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Ryan Reynolds.
I want to hang out with him atsome point.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Like I don't know.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
He seems like fun.
Do you think if you hung outwith him he'd be really weird or
just pretty chill?

Speaker 2 (14:33):
I mean, by all accounts, he's a cool guy yeah,
that's what I've heard, you know, and he's just really a
genuinely funny person.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Did you watch the rexham show?

Speaker 2 (14:45):
No.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yeah, that was really well done.
We really enjoyed it.
Rexham, yeah, their soccer teamthat he and Rob McElhaney
bought in Wales.
So it's the whole run up of youknow they bought the team and
of course, you know two, I thinktwo seasons in they ended up
winning the league and they'dlike last in league.
So it was really cool because alot of it they didn't want it

(15:10):
to be about them, it was aboutit's about the town and so all
these different characterswithin the town and it's all you
know.
It's all true.
And then they follow differentplayers and they bring in
managers and I'll tell you, youget to see.
You know, I grew up playingsoccer.
I didn't watch it, I don't knowit, I don't know how brutal it
is, like like the fans, howbrutal they are and like the

(15:30):
basically the mobs.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
What are they called Soccer hooligans?
Yeah, the hooligans.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Dude, like it's bad.
We got like three quarters awaythrough the season and and I
was like I was like man, I wouldlove to go over there and watch
a game.
And then they have the hooliganepisode.
I'm like I don't know if I wantto go.
Do that now, like, and it's no,it's it.
Now I understand why theBritish government like put, try
to put the gabbash on that,yeah, back in the 70s or 80s,

(15:56):
because it got like really outof hand, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
And he's still.
I mean, it's not unheard of andobviously in America, if
there's a sports team that has avictory or whatever, for there
to be a riot afterwards.
Sure I mean, but not every game, no, not every game.
Like UT, when they beat Alabamalast season, they tore down the
goalposts.
The fans stormed the field andtore down the goalposts, which
is like late hooliganismcompared to what happened on
that before.

(16:19):
It's like hooliganism comparedto what you're describing.
Right, it's totally the soccerriots, I guess, like British
fans, football riots, football,terrible, terrible stuff happens
.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
I mean how?
How is that good for the game?
You know?

Speaker 2 (16:34):
what I mean.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
I don't know, like I don't know.
I mean, I guess a lot of thoseare sold out all the time, right
, because you have.
You have because over therethey're, maybe it's just because
they're militant about the gameand they, you know, they're
born with it and they, that's.
That's a team Like Packers andVikings fans, yeah, but it's
even more localized therebecause, like that team, the it

(16:57):
was, it's like the Packers, the,the fans actually own the team.
Oh, is it Okay?

Speaker 2 (17:03):
That is like the Packers.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
And then they ended up.
I don't know if they ended upselling the whole thing or a
part of it.
So you know they, they, they're, they have a vested interest in
it.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Many of my clients when I was financial services
guy I mean it was I met plentyof cheese heads, packer, huge
Packer fans, ones that had thededicated their lives
essentially to the Green BayPackers.
And like there was one dude Iworked with and he had entire
rooms of his house.
He was a single dad with likefour kids and he had like that

(17:34):
was their thing.
Yeah, that was their thing, itwas his thing, it was his
identity is that.
He's Lauren, he's the packerguy and I mean super sweet dude,
great family.
But like he had the shares tothe Green Bay Packers team like
hanging on the wall in pride ofplace.
I mean it's just, and all ofthe memorabilia everywhere.
I mean you walk into houses andyou'd see like all of this

(17:55):
Packers memorabilia.
There was a distinct fanaticismthat went with Packer fans that
you didn't typically see fromother fan groups.
I should say no.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
I mean, I never grew up with something like that.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Dan Prestigard's obsession with the New York Jets
I think it's Jets is a littledisturbing, but those fans are
pretty fanatical now too,because they're the only New
York team and they've got a goodteam now, which is nice.
I'm kidding Dan.
Dan actually is a listener aswell as a pass guest.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Thank, you Dan Thank you Using a little needling
there, yeah yeah, I don't know,and I'm not, like I'm not a
Titans fan.
I will say we've been to ahandful of Nashville soccer
matches.
Now, yeah, they're fantastic,they are I don't know, man, it's
because it's.
It's also very contained,whereas a football game can drag

(18:47):
on and on and on.
Yeah, a soccer match is 90minutes and, yeah, they might
take on a couple minutes for youknow injury time or whatever
they call it, but like you knowthat you're getting out of there
at a decent hour and there's nohooliganism.
There's no hooliganism.
The stadium they built isreally nice.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
I've seen the pictures.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
It looks like parking is kind of they're still
figuring that whole thing out,but I don't know.
I've enjoyed every time.
Plus didn't hurt that my goodfriends have really, really good
seats.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Oh, that would do it.
Yeah, because I've only been to.
I've only been to two NFL gamesin my life.
They were both Titans games,even though the first one I went
to was in Baltimore.
Oh, really, yeah, it was in2008.
I was there for business.
I'm like Alicia and I are likewe're just having having fun
hanging out and she's like, oh,you've never been to a an actual
professional football game,have you?

(19:36):
And I'm like, no, and it wasturns out the Titans were in
town for the Ravens that weekend.
So yes, the other time I wentwas here in town, but like, yeah
, that's the only two games I'veever been to.
I don't love NFL.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
I'd rather, I'd rather go to a college football
game.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
honestly, I'd rather go to a high school football
game.
It's a quick drive home.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah, that's true.
I don't know something aboutlike the bands, and it's like
you know.
There's a different vibe whenyou go to a college football
game.
There's one more people.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
I like the high school football game.
There's that whole Friday nightlights feel to it.
There's the hometown pridefeeling to it.
College football is similar, isit?
I didn't even go when I was atUCF because they would play all
the games downtown and I neverwent downtown Orlando.
If I could avoid it, oh, reallyI just.
I mean, I had that fear ofcities that my dad instilled
that I didn't really get over.

(20:23):
I think I've been to downtownOrlando once in my life.
There's not a lot down there.
Like I went for Shakespeare inthe park when I was in a senior
in high school and that'sbasically it went to.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
UCF.
Yes, we, when we were down inOrlando, we stayed at the
Celeste, which is right.
It's like basically in UCF.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Oh really, yeah, I don't even know where that is.
Yeah, I haven't been there.
The campus is massive.
Yeah, it's grown since I wasthere exponentially.
I think UCF, by student bodynumbers, is the second largest
student body in the entireUnited States.
What?
Yes, I believe that's correct.
I think it's number two afterUniversity of Phoenix.

(21:01):
Really, I believe that'scorrect.
It's a massive school.
It has satellite campuses.
It's just there's a lot ofpeople that go there.
I did not know that.
Yeah, a lot more UCF grads thanthere used to be, that's for
sure.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah, they were having orientation the day we
checked in.
I'm so sorry for you.
Yeah, well, they, it wasn't.
It wasn't, we were going theopposite direction, luckily, but
there were a lot of, lot ofkids there.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
I didn't remember going to you orientation.
I must have, but I don'tremember it.
I didn't.
There's not a lot of memories Ihave from that period in my
life.
There's a lot of video gaming.
I used to climb in the.
They had a rec facility, youknow a gym, and the only thing I
went there and did was climb onthe rock wall.
Really I did it was really fun.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
I'm sure their facilities are a lot nicer than
before.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Oh, everything's gotten an upgrade since I was
there Massively.
That's grown so much.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
That's schools in general, right, because they've
realized that they've got out.
They've got to have nice stuffin order to attract students
these days.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
It's a little crazy how much it has become like a
almost like a vacation sort ofthing where it's like oh well,
we've got this on the Lido deck,kind of totally promotional
type stuff.
Yeah, it's like, oh, the the.
I feel like a little of the I'msure it's still somewhat

(22:20):
difficult to pass.
You know, all the way throughcollege like you'll fail out if
you're not trying.
But it does feel like maybesome of the self discipline has
gone out of it, maybe some ofthe because what we were talking
about before where it's like ifyou don't have to struggle some
to get through, there's lesscharacter development, let's say
.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, I don't know, see in.
Really, the only exposure I'vehad is going back to Virginia
and I will say that has gottenway harder there Really.
Oh, my gosh, telling me aboutthese kids are under so much
pressure, dude.
I just, and to the point whereI love UVA, I don't think I want
my kids to go there.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah, like I want them to be challenged, I just
don't want them to like it is atop school, I mean, and I don't
remember exactly where it stacks, but I was looking through US
News and World.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Report Usually one, two or three on the public top
list.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah, and so that's what it is is.
It's just gotten so high up therankings that it.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah, I mean, you know they pride themselves since
, really since before I wentthere right before when they
started doing the rankings thatthey were ranked right up there
with, you know, the harvards andall the other ones I have.
I really don't care where itactually stacks up.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
I went to the Harvard of Central Virginia.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
But we did, we.
I mean we competed with allthose schools and you have a lot
, a lot of smart kids that gothere and the scores definitely
show that, and I mean these kids.
When you meet these kids andyou hear all the stuff that
they've accomplished beforethey've gone, I'm like no way I
would get in these days,absolutely no way.
So I think the like the highertiers like that that have just

(23:56):
gotten gotten more and morecompetitive, because I even you
know we're still someoneinvolved and we give a little
bit, but you see the numbers andhow many people apply and how
many are getting in, and it'sjust, I don't know, man, it just
to me it's too much.
It's too much, I don't know.
And we're we've just startedhaving that conversation about
starting to visit colleges forour kids and I don't even know

(24:20):
where to start.
Dude, I really don't.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
It's called University of Tennessee
Knoxville.
It's right over there downthere.
Yeah, not a huge fan, one of mybuddies his kid, got a full
ride to the University ofAlabama.
Really, yeah, university ofAlabama is very much a school
that, because they've got allthat football money, they offer
scholarships and financialincentives for everything If

(24:44):
they can get you to come downthere.
They view it as a recruitingtool to get you to live in
Alabama, which is Alabama's anice sure nice place generally.
I mean some of the cities are alittle bit higher crime, so I
mean, but if you get out in thesuburbs it's really rustic,
idyllic, humid, but not thatmuch different from what we deal
with here.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
Yeah, I mean Alabama's come a long way when
it comes.
I mean the same thing with,like Auburn.
It's funny you were talkingabout places that colleges and
universities have become likevacation spots.
I remember when my I think itwas my niece was looking at
schools and she was telling usabout like the stuff that they
had at Auburn.
Like you know, these facilitiesare crazy.
Yeah, like, yeah, like loungepools and all this other stuff.

(25:26):
I'm like man that as a kid manthat's, I don't know that'll be
pretty attractive to me if I wasgoing through that process
again.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Well, yeah, I mean, especially if you're a stupid
young man thinking with theother head, heck, you get to go
to a wreck pool where it's likeall the codes are out there in
bikinis like come on, yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Are you kidding me?
I'm not going to lie.
When I when I visited Virginiafor the first time and I stayed
there, I stayed with a friend, agirl who was a friend of mine
that was a year ahead in highschool and I stayed on in her
room on the girl's level of thedorm.
Yeah, and that was really coolto a 17 year old boy, being in

(26:04):
the middle of all these girlsthat were really really nice and
smart.
I was like I'm in heaven.
How can I not go?
I didn't visit any otherschools.
Did you Like I'm sold?
Oh my gosh.
And you know it helped that.
It was a great school.
Yeah, you know, it definitelyserved me.
Well, I almost failed out, butI know why I was there now, but
I don't know.

(26:24):
I just I look back and I'm likemy parents didn't know how to
take me around to schools either.
Later on they figured it outwith my younger brothers, which
was good.
But what's funny is three outof the four of us all went to
Virginia.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah, yeah, if you left me to my own devices.
Like, my wife knows how to doall of those things, so do
school visits into whatever andshe's already talking about it
and I'm like school visits,don't you just like?
Show up on the first day ofschool and be like I'm here for
my classes Apparently, notApparently there are people who
plan their education out.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
It's pretty crazy, oh yeah, yeah, like my, my
sister-in-law is taking one ofmy nephews and they're doing
it's basically like a world tour.
I mean, they're like like you,going from city to city with
your whole family.
That's what they're doing onbreak, yeah, and you know they
turn into a vacation, but like Idon't even know where to start,
I really don't.
I don't know how to get incontact with people for tours.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Do you?
take tours I don't know you do.
I know that I actually.
I mean I can put you in contactwith, like, mike Lorenz just
went through it, dan Prestigarjust went through it and you
know, all the rest of my friendgroup in on the street here.
They have gone through that inthe very recent past where it's
like they've got kids going intocollege or kids in college and

(27:36):
it's like it's a very different.
Their way of doing it here inthe upper middle class is very
different than the way I did it,where it was like, you know,
community college.
There was no need for a tour.
Yeah, Right.
Show up in first day of classes.
Here's a map.
You'll be okay, right, you know.
And UCF was not that, you know,tough to navigate or whatever.
When I did that either, it wasjust like it was very low key,

(28:00):
not a lot of pressure.
It was 15th and 16th grade atthat point.
But yeah, it's a very differentatmosphere, feeling and way of
doing things.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah, I mean, you know even well, it was even
different between me and my wife, like she, I think she said she
applied to like 20 differentschools.
I think I applied to eightmaybe, and really it was like it
was stuff, it was schools thatsounded cool.
So like I applied to Pepperdinebecause it was in Malibu, oh my

(28:33):
brain went to school atPepperdine, I think I applied to
Hawaii.
I played since I was in highschool in Virginia.
You know I applied to UVA,james Madison, virginia Tech,
duke.
I don't think I applied to UNC.
So it was like I didn't know,like I just didn't know.
There were some that soundedcool and some that were nearby

(28:53):
that I knew people wanted to gothere.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
I had no idea where to start but you know, I want to
give my kids more of a hey,this is what the landscape looks
like you know, well, like oneof my friends he has a kid
that's a school in SouthCarolina somewhere and it's for
a sports management program Likethe best in the country is like
you go here, through here, andthen you can go into sports

(29:16):
management with a professionalteam Like they have the Rolodex
has.
Like all of these people thathave gone through their program
that are, you know, managing theprofessional sports teams, at
this point it's like to methat's a very focused approach
to education, which was not myapproach.
My approach was well, I've gota scholarship, I can go anywhere
, and my parents are like well,what do you want to do?
Yeah, I don't really know.

(29:37):
Yeah, okay, well, why don't youtry the community college until
you kind of figure that out?
Because it doesn't make a lotof sense for you to go off to
University of Florida orTallahassee and just blow
through this scholarshipunsupervised, with all this
freedom, and you don't know whatyou want to do.
I'm like that probably makessense and also I don't want to

(30:00):
leave home yet.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Yeah, well, so my son brought up the other day.
He's like I guess he's beenfollowing somebody on YouTube,
probably, probably.
That is what did he say?
He's like because we werehaving the college discussion he
goes well.
So so, dad, and ever since I'vehomeschooled them, they've they
have a different view oneducation, especially him, he's

(30:22):
14.
And he's like so, so really, Icould go to college without
paying for college.
I'm like what he goes?
I thought he was going to goone way.
He goes well.
I'm following this guy and hebasically like went to Harvard
classes but didn't like wasn'tenrolled or anything, but
learned everything that they didand he didn't have to pay for

(30:44):
it.
He just went to the classes.
I'm like that's trespassing.
Well, yeah, there's that andthere's a way of doing it that
you know.
Everything that you ever wantto know is online anyway.
Right, if you want to find it,if you want to learn it, it's
out there, thank goodness.
And then we you know we startedtalking about AI professors and
all that sort of thing and it's, but it's interesting to see
like Professor in your pocket.
Yeah, professor, in your pocket,welcome.

(31:06):
But it's.
It's interesting to see whichway a kid's mind goes right,
because he's still questioning alot of things, and maybe a lot
of it's because I question itnow, like what's, what's the
real value of a collegeeducation type thing, Right
there, I know thoseconversations a lot, whereas,
you know, my daughter mayquestion it, but I think for her
it's more of a like anexperience type thing.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
And it's a social experience.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
I mean, which is which is fine.
It is what it is, you know.
And then, of course, our 10year old could care less, yes,
but but you know, back at my 14year old is like I don't know.
It's been interesting to seewhich way he's kind of thinking
about things, because they don'treally know what college is
Like, they don't reallyunderstand it.
He visited a couple of schools,but I don't know, I'm excited

(31:53):
and a little bit like I don'tknow what the hell I'm doing.
That's where a smart wife comesin and we'll figure out how we
navigate all that crap.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
But I mean I just I look at colleges is now in, a
lot of these colleges arecharging really inflated prices
for degrees that will not payoff.
Yeah, I mean flat out will not.
And so as a value proposition,that's dicey and my wife would
be the first one to be like, no,you're not getting an English
degree.
I think we've talked about thatin the past and so I just look

(32:22):
at it and I'm like you know,there's got to be other and
there's still degrees that payoff really really nicely.
There's really good returndegrees.
But it's like if you tried tomake me do an engineering degree
, I don't think it would haveended well.
You can't force a kid to do adegree, even one that pays.
You know potentially could payoff very well If it's something

(32:45):
they absolutely hate, like mostpeople.
I think the self-disciplinething is not going to.
I mean, you can.
I guess you could do it instrictest terms, you could apply
the sort of pressure to them tomake them do it.
But like, do you really want toDo?
You really want to lock them into a career that they don't
seem like they're going toreally want to do?

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Well, you know and you can.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
I mean, the idea would be you look at the menu of
careers and you pick somethingthat's at least kind of
tangentially.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
I don't want to do that to my kids is my answer,
and part of it is having theconversations with them, right,
Like what are you thinking?
What do you enjoy?
What does give me hope isyou're hearing more and more
about companies companies hiringkids basically straight out of
high school.
Or I've actually heard aboutkids getting hired in high
school like 14, 15 year olds andthen being sent to college and

(33:37):
so it's like, it's like it'slike work and college, so
they're, they're coming up withsome sort of programs that
everything kind of fits together, that I understand more, but,
like as an 18 year old, I didn'tknow what the hell I wanted to
do you know I had an RCCscholarship so I knew I was
going to the military, so reallywhat I majored in didn't really
matter.
I achieved my major like fivetimes.
So I don't know it'll be.

(33:58):
It'll be fun to navigate thatpart.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
It's funny, as we talk about this, though, because
I'm like thinking about it interms of wow, what freedom that
we're sitting here discussing itfrom a more like top of
Maslow's hierarchy sort of way.
I want them to be able to dosomething that will make them
money but also allow them selfactualization, which is what my
career has allowed me, when, inreality, like a lot of people
out there are like I just needto get a job and that's fine.

(34:21):
The idea would be, you know, ina perfect world if you could do
both something that pays yourbills rather nicely, as writing
has done for us, and also allowsus the chance to self actualize
at the same time.
It doesn't always work out thatway, but if you're going to
spend four years in school, youknow, maybe that is the
sacrifice you make, becauseyou're like I'm gonna chase the

(34:42):
money and I'm gonna take thisdegree that I don't really want
and then lock yourself into it.
God, I hope you pick, in thatcase, something that doesn't
make you absolutely miserable.
That's at least bearable, youknow.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah, yeah, because I mean, come on, for most people
a job is a job is a job, and youjust gotta deal with that,
right.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yeah, there's no self-actualization there.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah, whether your outlet is, you know your family
or a hobby or you know thefucking packers, whatever it is
like.
I understand that.
I understand I work a city joband the way I get my rocks off
is I watch the packers andeverything that they do, and
I've got five rooms dedicated tothem in my house.
That is my outlet.
I totally get that.

(35:19):
But like I think we are in aninteresting spot where I had
this talk with I think it was mywife and a couple friends
recently, like our kids get tosee what we have done and
accomplished Right, so thatopens up you and I never I
didn't ever saw this growing upthat this was even a possibility

(35:39):
that I could work from home andmake good money and be with my
kids and all that.
So that to me is reallyexciting.
So to see that in my kids, thatthey know that that's an option
for them, is pretty cool.
But at the same time I'm likedude, you're not getting a free
ride here.
You know, like you gotta earnyour own way For sure.
But then I see people also whohave made a lot of money.
You know.

(36:00):
They have flexible schedulesand they give their kids
everything.
And now they're starting to goout in the real world and
they're not doing anything?

Speaker 2 (36:08):
No, because why would you at that point?
You need some sort ofmotivation, and I think the
motivation usually starts assoon as the money runs out.
Yeah, you hope.
Otherwise they take a flyingleap right down into Polktown,
where you and I spent quite abit of time.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Tastes like poverty to me Tastes like poverty man,
tastes like Wendy's Value Mealactually, for me it was Taco
Bell.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Hey man, those Taco Bell Value Meals were nothing to
sneeze at.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
They were some good tacos, that no.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Beef and potato burrito still haunts my dreams.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Man, I'm glad they didn't have those.
What were they?
The Doritos Tacos when I wasyes the Locos Tacos Golly, those
were good.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
I don't think.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
I've ever eaten one.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
They closed our Taco Bell for like two years or
something during COVID, whilethey were doing the rehab of it
and it's opening in.
I haven't been to it once sinceit's reopened the one in the
middle by Target, yeah, by theCool Scrain.
Yeah, it was closed for like twoyears.
I didn't know that, yeah, andso, like, we were in Arizona or
wherever last year and I likemade a special stop at a Taco
Bell because I hadn't been toTaco Bell in so long, you really

(37:08):
needed it.
Huh, I needed my Taco Bell, Ineeded my taste of poverty.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Oh my gosh, oh the memories of those days, Golly.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yeah, I still love a good fried chalupa.
The steak chalupas are justepic.
Oh no, I've never had one.
That's an upgrade.
That one doesn't taste likepoverty.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yeah, I stuck to the basics I like.
Like a crap, ton of tacos andburritos.
Made it back to food, by theway I know, and the little
crunchy churro things I guess?

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Well, you remember that originally they had the
cinnamon twist, the Twis.
Yeah, they had the Christmasfirst and it was like a fried
piece of tortilla and it wassprinkled with the cinnamon and
the sugar.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
And then they did the twists.
I make those, by the way.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Do you?
Yeah, they're great.
Yeah, they're delicious.
I've made one before too.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
actually, you just take the tortilla shell and like
, cut a tortilla into triangles,yeah, yeah, and then fry it
until they're just lightlygolden, and then sugar cinnamon.
Sugar cinnamon Easy.
I've done that too Deliciousthey are great my mom used to
make those growing up.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Have you ever made homemade tortillas yourself?
Not your mom.
No, my mom has.
I have not, I have, and theytaste amazing.
Yeah, I know Alicia's like.
These are one of the bestthings you've ever made, and
they're pretty simple, too right.
They don't take a terribly longtime.
The issue is smoothing theminto a proper circle.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Did you get one of those presses?
I have the press.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
It does not circularize them.
So they're kind of lumpy andoff-center because I'm not great
at baking or rolling.
But they taste amazing.
They functionally are fantastic.
They're just aesthetically anightmare.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
I could be a baker in another life if I didn't have
to wake up at 2 in the morningand I could eat as much as I
wanted.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
That would be the real problem.
I would gain 300 pounds as abaker.
Like I made blueberry muffinsat one point.
I love a blueberry muffin, metoo.
Sweet fancy Moses and I made itand it was so good, but it was
so bad for me.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Did I tell you about my pie, my pie escapade from
Costco?
Please tell me.
So they make this ginormous pie.
It's probably I don't know Iwant to say it's 16 inches
across.
Oh yes, I've seen those and itwas like a cherry berry pie or
something like Tricot Berry andI expected nothing.
I can't remember how much 15bucks, whatever.

(39:28):
I was like.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
OK.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
I'll try it.
Carlos doesn't wait until hegets home.
So I was with my daughter, wow.
And so I got a fork on the wayout in Costco and of course I
started digging it in the car.
And so my daughter tells astory last night to my mom and
she goes yeah, so he had thismuch when we got in the car.
Then we made two more stops.

(39:49):
By the way, by the time we gothome a third of the pie was gone
and I'm like not untrue, thatwas me and it's funny.
Then my wife chimed and Katiegoes.
She goes OK, to be kind, it wasa really, really, really good
pie.
I'm like thank you, thank youvery much, and she's not a huge
pie person, because I am like agood pie, oh, like apple pie,

(40:10):
but berry pie oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
See you get the right kind of apple pie.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Yeah, OK.
Have you ever had less applefor me?

Speaker 2 (40:17):
OK, so the Sara Lee, the Dutch apple pie, where it's
like got the crispy crust on thetop of it.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
It's more like a crumb.
Yeah, because it's more bready.
Right, it's more like a crumble, I like that Like I like that a
lot.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
I love a berry pie too.
I got a cherry, a little cherryone from Publix.
I ate the whole thing in oneday.
I'm like I can't buy a big piebecause I know what will happen.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
I'll eat the whole damn thing.
Yeah, just like me, buddy.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Just like you, I like lemon meringue.
That's why I sent you the thingwhen Buttermilk Sky closed its
location here.
I was like, no, like AnakinSkywalker.
My loss was great.
No for the poor.
Poor, what was?
It called Buttermilk Sky,buttermilk Sky Pie and they've
got a few of them aroundTennessee, but they had this one
pie that was called the I-40pie and it was like a cross of,

(41:04):
like a chocolate chips coconutpecan pie.
They called it the I-40,because it started in Knoxville.
Yeah, I remember that.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Oh man, that thing is good.
Yeah, I had some not greatexperiences there.
I don't like it when a pie istoo overdone and I felt like
they were.
I think it's maybe because Igot this Flaky blurry.
Yeah, yeah, the small ones, andthe small ones are really easy
to overdo.
But yeah, my wife, she makes a.
It's called a Derby pie.
It's basically like a chocolatechip cookie on pie and it's all

(41:38):
just chocolate goodness.
And yeah, god, we did.
We went right back to food.
I'm not even hungry and, yes,we did.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Have you ever had any of the pies over at what's the
place in downtown Franklin, theMary D's Bakery?
I have never had pies in there.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
See, they've got them and I've heard amazing things
about them and I've never madeit Danger, Danger danger, see,
because my first go-to when I goto a bakery is a true bakery
item, not a pie Especially.
You know me and donuts.
Like you, give me a good glazeddonut and I'm in heaven.
Yes, yeah, mary D's, I've beenin there a couple of times for

(42:12):
meetings.
So typically if I go for aquick coffee meeting I won't eat
anything heavy, so I didn'thave anything.
But I've been in there a coupleof times it smells delicious.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Yeah, it does.
It smells really good.
Whenever I go to Cork and Cow Ican smell them and I'm like I
got to go there sometime and Inever make it Because downtown
Franklin so far.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Do you go in the fudge place when you go to
downtown Franklin at?

Speaker 2 (42:38):
all Kilwins?
Oh yeah, I've been to Kilwins.
It's the sweet shop out of mydreams.
Yeah, it's delicious, the stuffthey have there is.
Oh man, it's amazing.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Yeah, do you have the chocolate and caramel covered?

Speaker 2 (42:51):
rice crispy treat.
I've only been there a coupleof times.
I'm not a big caramel fan.
I don't even remember what Igot.
I love it.
Downtown Franklin has so manygreat places to go.
I mean Ruby Sunshine I'm thereby there.
Oh, you've never been to RubySunshine.
Oh, it's great.
Puckets, Cork and Cow, Grey'son Main 55 South All of these

(43:12):
places are fantastic.
Do they close Red Pony?
They were for a while becausethey had a fire, a kitchen fire.
It's back open again.
Got it, but that place is great.
I like Cork and Cow better.
Well, they're totally different.
I mean, Cork and Cow is aclassic, amazing steakhouse.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
If you let me choose, I would definitely pick Cork
and Cow Just more of my vibepersonally.
It would depend on the mood I'min.
We had a great meal at Red Pony, Wasn't it like?

Speaker 2 (43:39):
you, me, me, me and Nick.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Oh my gosh, we were upstairs, I think, looking out
on the town there was a lot offood.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
It was and really, really, really good.
Yeah, it was good.
But yeah, I was going to say,even outside Franklin at the
factory now, what they've donewith it.
Have you seen it since they didthe refit?

Speaker 1 (43:59):
I have not been since they finished it.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Are they done on?

Speaker 1 (44:02):
the inside.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
No, that's going to be a while, but you remember how
I asked you at one point.
I'm like, oh yeah, what do youthink of the factory in Franklin
?
You're like I wish they wouldtear that place down.
They did on the inside and nowthey've rebuilt it and it looks
really good.
It does look good, but MikeLorenz and I went over there and
ate at the taco place in there.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
Oh, Mojo's, mojo's.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Yeah, and what's your favorite taco there?
Oh my gosh, how do you pick?

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Oh, I know, I know mine, and it's not the obvious
answer I like the hot chickenone a lot.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
I like the fish one a lot.
I don't know what's yoursCauliflower, the classic
cauliflower or the.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Korean barbecue one, the cauliflower taco.
Really it is ridiculous, man.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Because they did a Korean barbecue cauliflower taco
and I'm like what and I havenever tried it.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Yeah, I didn't have that one, the regular one it is,
and Katie and I have beennumerous times and we try a
bunch of different things.
We always go back to thecauliflower one.
That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
I've got to try it next time I go.
Yeah, it's really, really good.
But yeah, we were walkingthrough there and they've got a
new bar in the entryway.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
It looks awesome and there was no one there, and
that's on the side closest toMoffioso's right yeah, which, by
the way, moffioso's closed.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Oh, it did I heard it did.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
No way yeah yeah, oh, that's a bummer.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
I've never been there .
I try to go for lunch one dayand they're not open for lunch.
That pizza's really good.
Yeah, they're still open forcatering gigs.
But yeah, really, that's what Iheard.
But then, yeah, so I was a lotof other things I was going to
say.
And then, after I finished atMojo's, of course, I immediately
had to go to Five Daughters andget donuts.
Yes, five Daughters.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Bakery and get donuts .

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Oh my gosh, I love that place.
The 100-layer donut, whichsupposedly was, like Kim
Kardashian and Kanye's, favoriteplace here in town.
The Cronut, yeah, well, no, itwasn't the Cronuts.
The 100-layer donuts, those arethe Cronuts.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Oh, they call them Cronuts.
Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, really.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Yeah, I was sitting at Waffle House a couple of
weeks ago and a black dudedrives by in a fancy SBMW like
one of the $120,000 models, andhe's got his windows down and he
looks in for just a second andI'm like, is that Kanye West?
And he's gone.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Was he wearing Adidas or no?

Speaker 2 (46:17):
I couldn't tell because he was wearing like he
had chains and he had on, likeyou know, like a I don't know a
sportsy shirt.
It looked like the kind ofthing Kanye would wear.
It looked like Kanye and youwere at Waffle House.
I was at Waffle House, but hejust drove by outside.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Dude, because Waffle House is all windows.
Do you find that amazing thingshappen to you when you're at
Waffle House?

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Yeah, and that's just when they bring me my food.
I love that place.
I mean, I fed a family of four,including two teenage boys, for
less than $60 today.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Oh I know, yeah, that is, that's definitely legit.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Um, because I mean we've been eating a lot of
takeout and stuff since summerstarted and I'm going to tell
you something like $60 is thecheapest I've paid for any meal
involving four of my familymembers.
It's.
I mean, inflation has beenridiculously off the charts.
Yeah, that's pretty crazy.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Have you been down in the new Ed Leys yet?

Speaker 2 (47:09):
No, Fair farms.
I've heard good things that.
I've also heard the lines outthe door.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
It moves pretty quick , does it?
Yeah, I will say that becauseI'm not a big line guy.
And we went and it wasn't bad.
Their banana pudding isphenomenal.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
I've heard from two or three people one of whom
might have already been youabout how great Ed Leys is.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Yeah, yeah, it was.
It was really good that we'regoing to get that for Sunday
dinner, but I like a place I cango get like a family pack of
food.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Oh yeah, you know that's why I'm a big fan of
Chewies, which you know,nationwide franchise or whatever
.
They're great and they'reconsistently great.
Yeah, they always have a familypack of fajitas.
It's not cheap by any means,but like it's great.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Do you get the fajita packs from El Sombrero?
No, no, I never have.
You want to go?
Even cheaper and more food?
No way, oh my gosh, we.
I go to pick that up sometimesand it's like lugging bricks
into my car.
They put so much food in there.
Yeah, and of course that's, youknow, five minutes from your
house, yeah, it is it's veryconvenient.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Yeah, I've never even been there.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Yeah, it's good, good little spot.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
There's a place over in Noam'sville that's a Mexican
place.
That's really good too.
Do you know which one I'mtalking about?
It has like a huge menu.
I think it's called Cancun's orsomething like that.
It's really great.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
If you're ever in Noam'sville, is that in that
strip mall?
Yeah it's in well, I mean theoriginal strip mall.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
No, this one's a newer strip mall.
There's one up there too.
I know which one you're talkingabout and I can't recall the
name of that one.
It's right by that Koreanbarbecue place.
That Korean barbecue place islegit, by the way.
I've never had that one.
You need to go If you've everliked Korean barbecue.
You can go and get a familymeal and they'll sit you at the
barbecue table where it's likegot the fire plate in front of
you.
Oh really, you can get rightthere on the grate in front of

(48:51):
you.
My kids would love that.
It's sweet.
We took the whole family onenight, on the rare occasion when
nobody had any activities, and,like everybody, loved it.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Which one is that?
Is that on the way toNoam'sville?

Speaker 2 (49:01):
It's just called Korean barbecue.
It's on Noam'sville roadheading north toward.
It's like right there past thepublics, Right there at Concord
Okay.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Okay, so it's farther north, got it.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Just north of Concord road Okay.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Yeah, I just never get that far north.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Yeah, I usually don't , but Michael Renz was like okay
, you want Korean food?
This is the place.
They've got a dul sat bibimbapthere.
That is the stuff of dreams.
What is that again?
It's like a rice dish with beansprouts and beef and it's
seasoned and it's got like afried egg on top.
It's so good, it's so good,yeah, and they blacken the rice

(49:39):
at the very bottom of the thing,see, that's the kind of food I
could eat all the time.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Oh my gosh, like.
My go-to now is like rice andmeat yeah, I do that a lot.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
That's my diet.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Yeah, you know what's been a real life, because I
don't like making rice, those 90second rice bags.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Yes, oh my gosh, we get them.
Those bowls, they have them atCostco.
It's just a little bowl, yeah,but I like sticky rice.
I like the bags.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
The Uncle Ben's or whatever it is.
We don't get one or two, wejust take the whole box and go
check it out.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
We get a box and it's like 12 of these or 24 of these
bad boys in there.
It's like I go through thosethings like crazy.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Yeah, one of the things I figured out I can eat
without feeling like absolute,but Almost.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
I mean a lot of people have a lot of digestive
maladies.
I heard that white rice isbasically the most digestible
thing that everybody can kind ofeat.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Yeah, I was happy when I figured that out too,
because I just assumed it wasgoing to hit me like bread does.
Yeah, man, we were on vacationand there were a couple of times
where I splurged and I had likea roll at dinner one night and,
dude, that hit my gut like abomb Really.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
That sounds like me.
And cayenne pepper Really.
Yeah, oh yeah.
If I get heavy loads of cayennepepper it's fine going down
like I'll tear up a little bitand whatnot, but it about Eight
hours later at most.
I'm feeling like someone's gotme bent over in there just
pummeling my guts.
I'm just beating the shit outof my so you don't do Nashville
hot chicken.
I do, but I got to be realcareful about what level of

(51:13):
intensity I get it, because Ilove the flavor of Nashville hot
.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
You too, I don't like it super hot, though, because I
don't.
I want to actually enjoy itmiserable at that point.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Like I'm not a Glutton for punishment, I enjoy
a little little heat, but Idon't like if I go to bishops
meet and threes which is, for mymoney, the best Nashville hot
chicken mm-hmm, I'll get it asMild or medium at most and I'll
probably suffer a little bit ifI get it medium later because
you still get the flavor of it.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
I'm with you, I love the flavor of it flavors, and
when it's too spicy, it I thinkthat overshadows everything.
I just don't enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
You know who else has good hot fish and chicken, or
well, hot chicken and fish, isthat big shakes right down there
in Bergesboro.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Where are they now?
I don't know where they movedto.
I drove by there and I think itwas closed.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
No, I haven't been there in a while.
They had another location onColumbia Road they had I like
their like they did chickentenders.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Yeah, it was really good yeah my kids had those.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
They liked them.
Yeah, their fish was prettygood too, yeah.
Yeah, I think I've had that acouple times the I hop there
closed as well Right, which wassad.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Yeah, can't say no.
I've been there once, you neverokay.
Yeah, more of a cracker barrelguy.
Katie does not like I hop, sowe don't go to I what?

Speaker 2 (52:19):
how can you?

Speaker 1 (52:19):
not like pancakes.
No, no, I think.
I think it's a, I think I don'tthink it has anything to do
with the pancakes.
I think it has everything to dowith the vibe.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
You know really you know, it's definitely a lot more
working class in there.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Yeah, but it's not even that, I think.
I think maybe she had anepisode as a kid like maybe she,
like this, tastes like povertyor like home, I don't know.
Yeah, so we stick to crackerbarrel and but she loves waffle
house.
I love yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
I don't understand how people can't like waffle
house.
I think it's a class issue.
Where it's like people hate towaffle house, it's because they
hate poor people.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
I love waffle house.
I love that they bring outthose hash browns.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
I love hash browns are dynamite yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
I love that everything's like as big as a
plate.
It's really amazing.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
America's what that is.
That is America, by God, it isI.
I Love to waffle house and sofirst time I went to one and I
just I mean, when people arelike I hate, well, I'll ask or
whatever, making fun of it, I'mlike you hate America.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
You hate America.
Are you American I?

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Don't get into this, into this.
If you don't love it, leave it.
But if you don't love wafflehouse, well then, just walk out
the door, stupid.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
Yeah, yeah, go to McDonald's, buddy.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Yeah, now odds are pretty good.
The overlap on the Venn diagrambetween people who hate waffle
house and people who hateMcDonald's, it's like a full
circle.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Absolutely I'd agree with that, oh, I finally went to
Kava, by the way, oh did youlike it, I did.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Okay, I got.
I'm like I always hate to givesomeone a recommendation and
have them be like I hated no.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
It's right, it's totally right up my alley, right
?
I mean in you hit it spot-on,it's you know?
I think you said something likeit's it's Mediterranean
Chipotle and everything wasreally good.
Did you see?
They did their valuation justcame out, did not?
Yeah, they, I saw they justwent public.
They would just went publicsome huge number.
Good for them.
So I guess they're doing great,but I didn't get one of the

(54:13):
pre-made ones Like I like that.
You can pick what, yeah, whatyou want.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Yeah, I totally yeah.
No, I took Katie the other daytoo After, actually, I think.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
I think the last time I went was right after our last
episode.
I was like you know what he'smentioned it, so I'm gonna go
and it was really good.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
I've been shilling for Kava because I own the stock
.
No, I don't actually, but I'dlike to, probably if it is there
a way?

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Can you get like double me or double?

Speaker 2 (54:36):
If you ask them, I bet you they would let you,
because it seems like they'rereally customer service oriented
Totally.
Most of those companies that dothings that way will let you
kind of customize stuff.
So I bet you you can't, becauseI always get double meat at
Chipotle.
Yeah me too.
It's like I need that proteinbaby.
Yeah, give me that protein baby.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Well, on that note, I feel like we've been talking
about food for 50 minutes.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
I think we probably we talked about college some,
but I feel like we did consume alot of time talking about food,
which means it's probablylunchtime.
Which means are you going onvacation soon, is that why?
Yeah, I think so.
I'm still thinking about thatCalabash buffet.
I'm anticipating what is.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
Calabash mean.
Is that a name or does it meansomething?
I I'll let you know when I getback.
Please do, and please takepictures of you.
You know Waddling out to theyeah, I'm not doing that, yes,
you are humiliating.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
All right, I'm gonna tell you should do it that way.
She has no problem withhumiliating.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
There you go, neither , neither, neither does my wife
with me, yeah, so there we go wegot that in common.
All right, brother, and we'reout.