May 11, 2023 • 59 mins
Meet Richard Lyons Author of The DNA of Democracy and Shadows of the Acropolis. Mr. Lyons is an American poet writes a compilation of historical vignettes, discerning the future of our democracy by rediscovering the combative, instructive, fascinating past of tyranny and democracy. Just as DNA is interwoven in every aspect of the human body, tyranny and democracy have their historically distinctive DNA that have shaped our democracy today. From Israel’s Ten Commandments, to the Athenian Constitution, to Rome’s Twelve Tables, to the overthrow of kings in England and America, Lyons traces democracy from its historical roots to the modern day, constructing a blueprint of what defines tyranny or democratic government in The DNA of Democracy. In this definitive guide, Richard C. Lyons documents the struggle for power between tyrants and heroes across time and place. Chronicling the acts of tyrants which are expressive of tyranny’s DNA, and the rebellions of heroes and the forms of law which are democracy’s DNA—Lyons outlines the roots of democracies, by telling the tales of tyrants who ironically gave them birth—births of rebellion! This book serves as a how to contemporary guide on identifying the menace of a tyrant when you see one! Join national political commentator & host Chauncey I. Brown III for an in-depth conversation about the futrue of our democracy.
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Love, talk, radiance, Goodevening, and welcome to the Chauncy Show,
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where we're always right and never left. We put God first in politics.
Second, welcome to the show.With everything going on in our country,
in the world today, there wasnot in a conversation that is important
than our democracy. Today. Wehave poets. A writer in the studio,
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Richard Lyons, is the author ofThe DNA of Democracy in the Shadows
of the Acropocalypse. He is goingto take us an inside look on how
democracy began and where we are todayand we are headed. Let me welcome
into the studio with any further adowriter and author Richard Lynes. Hey,
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rich Hello, Chauncy. Thanks forthe great introduction. That was very kind.
Thank you very much. Thank youfor taking time out of your busy
schedule to come on the show andtalk to my listeners about the DNA of
Democracy. If you want to talka little bit about yourself first, we
can do that, or you know, I'm excited just to jump right in
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and talk about the history of democracy. We have about an hour, so
we have a lot of time totalk, so I'll let me take it
away. Well, my background isMiddle Western. I grew up in the
Chicago area, and I grew upin a family that was in printing.
My grandfather started a printing company calledAugust Press one hundred years ago right now,
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and then my father expanded that intoeducational publishing, so that involved developmental
learning materials, which was special educationfor kids, and then Argus communications,
which was education of a religious basis. And so I grew up in that
field, and I was on theprinting presses, I was selling printing was
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I worked in the shipping department,also all over the printing company, and
then in the publishing companies and justformed. I've always loved literature, so
it took me into when we solda large part of our company and my
brother bought the printing company, Idecided to start writing and become an indie
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publisher so that I could write whatI wanted and hopefully for the good of
the public. So I wrote afew books now and The DNA of democracy,
getting right to your point, isa history of the infrequent instances where
democracy has succeeded in history. Formost of human experience, mankind has lived
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in what I call the common keep. The common keep is one of tyranny,
where you have a pharaoh or aking or an emperor, and a
few of his cohorts or police orarmy, and the multitudes are those who
get to do what they were told. So our form of democracy was born
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of to go back to the beginningthe Ten Commandments. The reason the Ten
Commandments were remarkable is because right acrossthe Sinai Desert there was the pharaoh Ramses,
and he was God on earth tothe Egyptians. The difference with Judaic
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tradition is that God takes the formof law on earth. It doesn't the
form of a person. So whenthings are based on law, even the
pharaoh is subject to law right.So that was a key difference in human
history. I then go from thatexperience, you know, where God was
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the pharaoh on earth, to lawbeing God on earth to the Greeks where
and in Greece this will sound familiar, but there was a there was a
king called Isagoras, and he claimedthat half the Athenians, half of the
entire population, were cursed, andbecause they were spiritually cursed, they could
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they could be dispossessed of their propertyand exiled from Athens. So when you
hear today of the Maga people beingcursed, or half the country is beneath
the other half the country. Ithas a reflection in Greece. And so
the people of Athens overtook their owngovernment, and overcame miss Agorris and a
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mercenary spartan army that had never beendefeated before, and on the acropolis,
they defeated that army and created theirown government based on a constitution. That
constitution gave every citizen a vote,that gave every citizen certain rights, and
so that was without example in humanhistory prior to them. I then go
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to Rome, where another king wasoverthrown, Tarquinius Superbus was his name,
and he was overthrown because he wasacting in a wrathful, tyrannic manner and
overtook the kingship without the right todo so. And so a man named
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Brutus expelled tarquin from the throne andset up what is end. Sacrificed his
life and those of his sons toset up what is called the Twelve Tables.
That is the common law of Romefrom which we derived some of our
common law today. So that isthe ancient experience, the classical experience,
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and I walk through that for avery good reason, because all these elements
later in the work are involved inour creation, the creation of America,
and I don't think people really understandthat how we infrequent democracy is how fragile
it is, and how every elementwe were founded with in our constitution is
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really critical. So I'm hoping toget that across. So that takes us
through the classical period. And Idon't know whether you would have a question
at that point. To be honestwith you, Rich, I'm really excited
about listening to this history, andI don't throw you off your games land,
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but I think it's important what you'resharing. If I had to think
about questions, it would be morefor the latter, because how do we
get to where we are today?Okay, well, let me get let
me get a little further through theDNA and yeah, better content. Okay.
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So we've gone through the importance oflaw from the Ten Commands, the
importance of a constitution with Athens,the importance of common law and property rights
very important from the Romans. Andthat concluded the classical era because after that
there was a thousand years of darkness. There were no democracies. There were
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a few scattered republics, in thenorth of Italy, but otherwise again the
common keep was the home of humanity. But then in England, it happened
that in twelve hundred, after Williamthe Conqueror overtook England, and this is
very interesting, he created a castlesystem. If you go to England now
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Chauncey, you will see these magnificumNorman castles that have literally been there now
for a thousand years. And thereason was that when William conquered England,
he had his nobles create castles,built castles, each one not one day's
ride from the other, so thatthey could form a mutual defense system across
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the whole of England. And theycalled it the bones of the kingdom or
tying down the countryside. But theywere the fortresses of kings and their nobles,
and it was to hold people outof the place of power. It
was also to imprison them within theplace of power if they were rebellious.
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While it came that William had adescendant called King John, and there's a
reason that there has not been aKing John since the first King John.
He was really a horrible tyrant,and the son of Henry the second,
who was great King and so hewas followed by John, who was a
terrible king. John wanted to wantedto maintain his overlordship of France, and
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to do so he had the practiceof imprisoning nobles the sons of nobles,
as a ransom for loyalty, andso he had at one point some two
hundred over two hundred nobles in hiscare. After there was a rebellion in
France, and he allowed all ofthese prisoners to die by starvation, so
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that all the nobles who were supposedto be loyal became outraged by this.
And when John's armies went to takea former friend's sons, his name was
Henry de Bruiz and his wife wasnamed Matilda. When John went to take
their sons into custody as a ransomfor loyalty, Matilda was alone. Henry
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was in France, and Matilda said, no, you're not taking my sons
anywhere, because we know exactly whathappens to your prisoners. So John's army
had to back up because Matilda wasvery strong in a strong military position,
and so but she had to runbecause there after John brought his whole horde
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of an army to take her castleand her She ran off with herself,
her son William, their kids,your son William's kids, and his wife
and led a trajectory. First theywent to Ireland to outrun them, then
they went to the Isle of Manto outrun them. Then they were found
and captured in Scotland, I thinkin Carrick Fergus. When they were taken
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they were taken down to Windsor Castle, the place where the coronation just happened,
right. They were taken there andthey were put in a due dungeon
that they used to call and oblique. They called it that because it's shaped
like a jar and the ceiling curvesover your heads. You can't climb up
any wall. And they call itan ubliette because it's that's French for a
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place to be forgotten. They putMatilda and her son and her son's wife
and children in the ubliet and theywere found two weeks later dead. This
so outraged the remaining nobles in thecountry that they came together in a rebellion,
and that rebellion ended up being theMagna Carta. The signing of the
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Magna Carta is one of the principaldocuments in the history of democratic rule in
the world, signed in twelve fifteen, and it is a cornerstone of our
common law. It protects rights toproperty, it protects individual rights. It
is the foundation of habeas corpus andthe trial method. All these things were
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one with the Magna Carta, andso that was I juxtaposed these things throughout
the book. So in Athens,for instance, you have Isagorus, and
then you have Cleisthenes, he wasthe rebel who was the founder of the
democratic government. In Rome, youhave Tarquinus and you have Brutus. In
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England you have King John and youhave Matilda, and then John Langton,
who was the Archbishop of Canterbury,who actually wrote the Magna Carta. So
then I go from there and tothe deeper end of British history, because
that's more our own history based ongovernment. And I go into the divine
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right time of Henry the Eighth andhow he assumed to himself And you'll appreciate
this chauncy. King Henry assumed tohimself the spiritual authority. So what is
that doing? He led as hesaid, it ruled, he said,
by divine right. Where does thatbring us back? It brings us back
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to the Pharaohs being God on earth. Henry thought he was God on earth
and that everything should bend to hiswill forgetting the better laws of God.
So that that ended up creating anotherrevolution, and that one being in England,
and that was the Civil War inEngland. And a curious thing happened
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during that time. Different power centerstook power, so that originally the king
that was executed, who maintained hisdivine right to rule, was Charles the
First. When he was overcome it, it was the parliament that became superior.
Yes, so the crown was down, Parliament became superior, but then
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they started to rule tyrannically through arump parliament, so they became as bad
as the king had been before.Then the army took over and created their
own sort of a dictatorship or OliverCromwell. So I call that section of
the book the Lords of the Hour. Why because it's a common trait in
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humankind to want power. Once youhave power, you want to expand power,
and once you expand power, youwant to defend power and never give
it up. It's a common traitwe all share, and that is why
we need democratic government. In fact, so after the Lords of the Hour,
many of the exiles from England cameover as pilgrims out of that crucible
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in England, out of the tyrannyboth of Charles the First and then the
tyranny exercised against persons of religion byCharles the Second when he was restored to
power. When they got over toAmerica. Now this we're moving into the
American section of the DNA of democracy. America is utterly unique. The persons
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that were on this continent at thetime, well, the ones that the
settlers met were either of the IroquoisConfederation or they were of the Cherokee Five
Civilized Tribes. Both of these associationswere federations of tribes that believed in the
same thing, the absolute freedom oftheir tribes. They fashioned their governments to
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govern least while keeping a common defense. So it was something that the settlers
had never known before, having comefrom England. And when they got into
an area which was a wilderness tobuild to build a civilization out of,
they literally grew their government out ofthe ground. The first part of government
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was the family. The second partof the government was your associations, whether
it's a religious association, educational association, or the town government. So everybody
was learning how to self govern inAmerica. That was not a practice in
England beforehand, it had never been. So they were and they I call
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it government grown out of the ground, because just as they grew their crops,
they grew their idea of government.And even the religious, the religious
aspects of their lives was based onfreedom. Congregants voted for their pastors.
Pastors weren't assigned as they had beenin England. The mayor was elected,
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the mayor wasn't appointed by a king. So it's a very different kind of
government growing up. It's a governmentliterally of everybody right. So and that
it's unique to America, that sortof upbringing and having the space to create
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new ideas, new ideas of governmentthroughout the colonies. So then we get
too a crucible because a couple ofhundred years go by and then happened the
French and Indian War in the seventeenfifties. We call it the French and
Indian War. In America, it'scalled the War of the Austrian Succession or
the Seven Years War in Europe,and it was a it was a global
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conflict in America. It bankrupted Englandin maintaining her colonies. She won the
war, but at great expense.And so after the war, having done
so much to own America, theEnglish parliament became a tyrant. They started
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demanding taxes of the colonials, andalso demanding taxes far in excess of what
had been taxed before. They wereusing the taxes to have standing armies in
the colonies and policemen and spies.In other words, the colonials saw all
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around them that they were paying fortheir own oppression. This is very important.
Taxes paying for oppression, and thatis how you create a common keep.
And so the colonials, after havingtwo hundred years of self rule in
thirteen colonies, right, they hadbeen left alone until the French and Indian
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Wars. They had literally been leftalone to govern themselves. So the king
all of a sudden got I rate, what do you mean they aren't going
to pay taxes? And the parliamentbecame our irate, what do you mean
they're not going to follow our laws? Well from the colonies, the colonists
were saying, we are not representedin your parliament, and our taxes are
not spent on what we would spendthem on and without you know, we
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demand representation if we're going to betaxed, not oppression. And that was
the whole point of the Revolutionary War. A distant capital was dictating the laws
and terms of governance in America whereAmericans had been free for a couple of
centuries. So that became, youknow, a crucible again, a crucible
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between a tyranny and a country desiringto be free. And I go into
a great explanation of it in theDNA of Democracy, not to tire your
readers, but I do it ina narrative form so that it's it's it's
it's storytelling, and it's not aboutpart dates. Its story. It's storytelling.
It's about heroes, heroes and thething I found Chauncey in the Revolutionary
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War, literally everybody took part,the entire colonial population that wasn't married to
England literally decided that their common liberty, their common liberty, which you can't
put a price on, right,it's not something you buy and sell.
Their common liberty was more important thantheir life. Their common liberty was more
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important than their property, their theircommon liberty was more important than their business
or their wealth. It was anamazing sacri fice to make to to create
the country that was created here.And so I go from I go from
that great, great sacrifice and greatcreation of a country to a point where
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the colonists were all saying, Okay, we just won the war. What
does it mean? You know whatI mean. We've just won. We've
thrown out We've thrown out the mostpowerful army and navy on Earth, and
we just whipped them off the continentand out of our harbors. So what
do we do with it? Well, a lot of colonists wanted a very
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loose arrangement based on the Articles ofConfederation, so that the states were supreme
and there wouldn't be a federal government. There would just be articles of mutual
defense sort of structure. Others wanteda federal government that was more concentrated and
that would be in the in thevein of Alexander Hamilton. So so there
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there came a Convention of the NewStates. Twelve states were represented there.
Rhode Island decided to abstain from thetwelve states. There were fifty five representatives.
Now these are all persons practiced inself government. And why would that
be Well, because they held officein the in the colonial structure of government,
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or or they ran their towns,or they were they were generals in
the army, or lieutenants or whathave you. All of them were brought
up in the art of self governance. And they also brought into into Philadelphia
all their libraries, every book theyhad based on types of government, types
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of constitutions, how other societies wentwrong, What happened to Athens? Why
was that? Why did that gowrong? While because in a pure democracy,
mob rule becomes a tyranney, becausea mob takes over based on a
demagogue. So they studied all thesethings and came up with the Constitution,
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which is a it is a documentthat diffuses power. And I'll try and
explain as America was brought up fromthe ground up. Richard, it's okay.
Before you continue to let me doa little quick break. I'm sure
for those that are tuning in,we're listening to Richard Lyons, author,
writer, architect of the DNA ofdemocracy, breaking down the history of tearingy
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in democracy in its current state.We thank you very much for having him
in the studio. Rich You aregiving us a ton of information as I'm
listening to you able to consume itat one time, and I'm really enjoying
it. And before you continue,the information that you're sharing is so important
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that I'd like to break this stuffdown in segments, and I'd like to
have you back on because even thoughthe summary of today different segments, people
no idea on how we got towhere we are today. You know,
most people just know about the Romanhistory to the United States. But how
you break down the DNA is criticalfor understanding of not only where we are
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today. And you mentioned before Iwent to a quick break about tyranny,
how democracy today is overthrowing the currentrepublic of our nation. So it's very
interesting where we are in American history. I consider myself a constitutionalist conservative,
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and yes, you know, theConstitution was put there as a stop gap,
if you will, to train thegovernment and the will of politicians in
government. But we see have thatchallenge today. So I'll let you continue,
but I'm excited to have you on. This information is awesome, said,
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I hope that I can have youon doing a series where we could
really educate, you know, thepublic, where we are, we got
here and where we're going, andwhat we should do, all what we
can do to help maybe change ormake the direction better. Well, you
know that it's all important. Ithink Chauncey that people are educated. It's
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the basis of having a properly,properly ordained government of the people. If
the people don't understand why the governmentis the way it is, it's hard
to know how to vote. Otherthan people mostly vote today. Oh I'm
a Democrat, Oh I'm a Republican. They don't think about what it means
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as much as I think. Aneducation in this sort of thing is a
matter of self help. So inanyway, we got to the point where
we were at the Constitutional Convention inPhiladelphia in seventeen eighty seven, and government
again was brought from the ground up. The first thing conceived by the framers
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of the Constitution was how do weget a federal government to leave proper government
alone. And when they thought aboutproper government, they were thinking about the
town halls in Massachusetts, they werethinking about assemblies in Pennsylvania, if they
were thinking about county government in theSouth, how do we keep the federal
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government out of people's lives. Itwasn't a matter of how can the government
help? It was how can youkeep it away? Right, you're supposed
to frame your own life in theway you would design it, and that
doesn't happen when you have an involvedgovernment. So they based local government on
okay, what will the federal governmentnot do? So in the night?
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In the Bill of Rights, that'sall about individual rights and trials and defense
from government. But there's also theninth and tenth Amendments and the Fifth Amendment,
which tries to protect the rights ofindividuals and their towns and states by
saying what is you know, bysaying, those powers not enumerated in the
Constitution are those reserved to the citizensand the states of America. So what
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is that? That is the individual, that is the town the individual lives
in, that's the business of theindividual, right in the enterprise system,
and that's the state. It wasconceived that the states would be a bulwark
of defense from an overreaching federal government, and so that's why so at the
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local level it's framed like an Athenianand Athenian democracy where everybody has everybody has
input. When the population has becomegreater, they become republic. So we
have in fact, today fifty republics. Each of the state is a republic
under itself. The framers thought mostlaw, most things to affect most individuals
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would occur at the town level.The next place at which law would affect
the individual is at the state level. The place where law would affect the
individual least would be laws derived fromthe federal government. Right. That was
the most differant government creation, andthey confined it with the Constitution, saying,
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you can only do what the Constitutionsays. Every other power is reserved
to individuals, towns, and states. So we'll get to how that was
overrun recently. But so, comingout of the Convention, we had a
constitution agreed to and ratified by tenof the thirteen states, and it functioned
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well there. There was, however, a compromise in the constitution. We
all know what it was, andit was the matter of slavery. The
only way to get the southern statesto agree to come together in a union
was to have to have a anallowance of slavery in the South while sunsetting
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the slave trade twenty years to theday after the signing of the constitution.
So this compromise was a compromise thatthe whole country had to pay for sixty
years later, sorry, eighty yearslater, in the form of the Civil
War, when in order to fusea line from the Declaration of Independence into
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the Constitution that all men are createdequal, one half of the country went
to war with the other half ofthe country at the cost of over a
million casualties and burning down of theSouth and all of its economic interests at
half the population, in order tofuse that line into the Constitution in the
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thirteenth, fourteenth, and fift teenthamendments. What does that prove. What
it proves is that our constitution camea long way to being cured through the
Civil War. It was a cruciblethat you know, bled the country dry,
but it came to the effect ofAbraham Lincoln. His inspiration and his
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design was after the war through theconstitutional method of amendment, through the thirteenth,
fourteenth, and fifteenth amendments, toexpand the franchise to include all persons
equally in the country. So theDNA of democracy then goes into the suffragette
movement. And why is that important? The women's movement from nineteen hundred gained
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its popularity through parades and through education. Literally what we're doing right now,
chasing talking to people and getting theword out why aren't why do women have
an equal vote? And of coursenobody could come up with a good reason
because women in America, uniquely,women in America were educated, and some
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were far better educated than their husbands. So that it became a movement,
and it was done the right way. It was done through the amendment process,
and two thirds of the of theHouse and Senate approved it as an
amendment. It went out for ratification, and two thirds of the states approved
the amendments, and so we havethe nineteenth Amendment, which is the Suffragette
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movement. So that ends the DNAof democracy. And there's a reason why.
I don't know if you have aquestion, now, if you do,
that's all. That's all the evolutionand all the parts that are important
to how our country was founded andbecame at its best, the most country
with the widest enfranchisement and the greatestdiffusion of power between local, state and
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federal government was right at that time. Verse insightful, a lot of history,
a lot of knowledge. Um questions. I mean, you've given us
so much information. The first thingI think about, of I think about
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a question is since the beginning ofdemocracy, how has it changed how?
I don't want to frame my question. Well, you had you had,
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you had the Greek model, whichwas right wrong, wrong in that it
gave a vote to everybody. Anda demagogue can can run through a can
become the catalyst of a mob whowill take rights away from their fellow citizens.
Right in Rome, the case wasthe case was that there were two
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brothers called the Drackeye. They wereTiberius and I can't remember the Gaius Gracchus.
They empowered the tribune ship at thecost of the Senate. The Senate
had been that vessel between the patricianclass and the plebeian class that melded all
the representations into one place to arriveat a law. That it was a
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peaceful way of coming to law,coming to a common law. The grac
Eye over empowered the tribune ship andso overpowered the mob. When that happened,
there was a slow descent into thesort of empire that Rome became.
You had Marius, then Zella,and that those were proceeding to Caesar,
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right, and we know what happenedwith him, and then the long catalog
of emperors. But the republic diedright there. That's when the republic died
with the accession of Julius Caesar.So yeah, so our government, our
government, Chauncey was one that tookall these factors into effect and put it
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into the constitution to guard us fromthe mob. How do you do that?
You create a House of Representatives thatrepresents the people directly. Then you
have a Senate that represents the peopleand their states. Right, so if
you are the Senator from South,if you're the Senator from Missouri, you
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represent all the people of Missouri andyou represent your state. In order to
be a defense against federal overreach.We have lost that, and it's part
of the next book. So whenwe move from the dna of democracy these
to the shadows of the acropolis,we are now in nineteen hundred. One
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of our favorite presidents was Teddy Roosevelt. He was one of the most unique
American characters in our history. Buthe also grew up at a time when
he was a kid. Italian,which had been in Italy, which had
been a series of unorganized principalities,became a unified country, and Germany,
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again a series of ununified principalities becamea country because they formed a federal system
based on a sort of a strongman character. Teddy Roosevelt grew up with
that and he wanted to have amore stronger federal government in a stronger executive
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office. And that's where the problemstarts in America. And one thing that
he did, I go back inshadows of the Acropolis, and I juxtaposed
founders to those who did not carryon in their traditions. So in the
first part of the book, Icall it dinner at Jefferson's. And why
do I do that? Because TomJefferson had dinner with Madison and with Alexander
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Hamilton, and there were two thingson the plate. One was how do
we consolidate the war depths of thestates into a central bank, because everybody
was suspicious of its central anything.And the second thing was what about a
capital? Where is it going tobe? So they came to the conclusion
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that the capital should not be morethan ten by ten miles square, It
should not possess any property, itshould not possess any power by weight of
the land that was under it.So it could not be part of a
state because that would make the statepowerful. It had to be on its
own, it had to be tenby ten square feet and more so,
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I juxtaposed that to what Ted Rooseveltdid, and he assumed lands in thirty
one states. We had thirty onestates at the time, and he assumed
lands, calling him park lands andnatural force and this sort of thing.
But it consolidated under the federal governmentand the executive branch all those lands.
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So immediately the executive office of ourgovernment became the chief landholder in the country,
much like a monarch in Britain,much like William the first Jauncy.
I'm hearing a little background. Isthere a machine running? Yes, it's
my air purifire. Yeah, Iapologize, Yeah, I think I wonder
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if you could hear my air purifire. So that consolidated a great amount of
power in the executive office right there. Just by doing that, it gave
the federal government land in states thatit was never conceived of as being something
that would ever happen in America basedon the Constitution. Because in the Constitution,
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the capital was consigned ten by tensquare feet of ten by ten square
miles of area. So then wego to Woodrow Wilson. Woodrow Wilson was
a devotee while first to state whata lot of people don't know. He
grew up on college campuses. Hewas a professor. His life was surrounded
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by the manicured laws of the IvyLeague universities. Now, our form of
government from the Constitution is based onthe philosophy of John Locke. John Locke
based our constitution. Our constitution wasbased on his philosophy of the individual,
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that God grants rights to individuals,and those individuals always have those rights individuals
side what the government can and can'tdo. The citizen is the ruler,
the government is the servant. It'sthe inverse of the common keep exact inverse.
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While along came Woodrow Wilson, andhe was fascinated by Germany. He
was fascinated by Frederick the Great.He was fascinated by a philosopher called Frederick
Hegel. Frederick Hegel. His philosophywas based on the ideal state. And
it's called ideal state theory in Germany. And it's based on administrative ministerial law.
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And if you want to see whatthat looks like, it's what the
EU is today. And it iswhat our government is becoming. It is
the growth of an administrative state undergovernment that makes its own rules. They're
supposed to be congressional oversight. Idon't know how much that happens nowadays.
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They make their own and they enforcethem. That is that is the quotation
for tyranny, as described by thosewho fought the British Empire. At any
rate, he created the administrative state. And from that time one hundred exactly
one hundred years ago, this administrativestate has been growing, and it's been
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growing through what we call the agencies. So what is it. It's the
Drug Administration, It's the EPA,right, and it's also the law enforcement
agency, so it's the FBI,it's the CIA, it's the I R
Rest, Right, it's all theseagencies who are creating massive amounts of law
and are unanswerable to any of thepeople's representatives. Right. They're supposed to
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be ideally answerable to representatives in Congressand the Senate. They are less and
less answerable by the day in thatthe Democrats are now they use the administrative
state to promote their policies that theycan't get passed in Congress. So they
pass amorphous laws and say to sayto the FDA enforce those laws, or
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say to the sec enforce those lawsby making up rules to fit the law
that we think this should be.So I'll give you an example. During
the Obama presidency, that's eight yearsof presidency, there were four hundred or
so laws passed through the People's representatives. Right, that's called the original fountain
of Authority by Alexander Hamilton. Onlyfour hundred or so laws passed through the
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Houses of Congress and were signed intolaw. Over twenty thousand rules with the
effect of law and with the enforcementof law enforcement agencies were passed through agencies
of the federal government. There arenow some four hundred forty agencies unanswerable to
anybody because the Democrats defend the agenciesbecause that is where they make policy.
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So we are, we are ina country now that had power removed from
from local authority, removed from stateauthority, bounded into the federal government,
and in the federal government into theexecutive branch. And it is it has
been a career that's been one hundredyears long now and now we're seeing we're
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seeing the effects now Donald Trumps asbrusque as he is and as much as
he bothers people, and his personalitycan be greating. He was a great
threat to the Democrats because of hispolicies. He dared to say, some
of these regulations should be ended,we shouldn't have this much regulation. Some
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of these taxes should not be had. We are to reduce the taxation the
American people, and we alread toempower the states. We ought to have
freedom of education. And these arethings that when a Democrat hears it,
or persons in the administrative state,that's their power base. And so he's
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a he's a big threat to them. So we can we can go now,
I've talked about a little bit WoodrowWilson. I should get to FDR.
I didn't mean to jump ahead likethat, but there's one that we
have about ten more minutes left.But okay, you can go ahead,
because I'm I'm doing the conversation.I'm sure my listeners are too. I
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do want to do. Okay,you've gotten excited. When I was like
FDR, FDR when I was NAthat's when you were in college. When
when I when I was in college, it's about John Locke, my philosophy
class. I asked the question howdoes one acquire rights? That was my
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introduction to John Locke, and that'sa great question, and yeah, it
was. Yeah. I mean youknow that, Sauncy. I got to
stop you, Chauncey, Chauncey.I have to stop you right there,
because that's what this entire book isabout. Where do we derive rights?
In John Locke's philosophy, the individualis the ruler and the government is the
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servant because rights are derived from God. That single God is not Pharaoh.
God is a God of law,and God bestowed rights on each individual.
The way the government is going inthis administrative state, the ideal state theory.
To try and be simple about it, it means that individuals give up
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their rights to be a member toa greater being. The greater being is
the state. That is what fueledthe fascism of Italy, the fascism of
Germany, and the communism of Russia. That ideal state theory, that collectivism
of individual and giving up their rightsto a government. And then once you
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give up your rights, you don'tget them back, right the state tells
you what your rights are. Eitherthe individuals of a country decide what the
government can do, or the governmentdecides what rights individuals have, and that
is it is anathema to the conceptand foundation of our country. And yet
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we have a party in power thatis dedicating our country to it and in
hurdling us into socialism without any regardto the idea that there has never been
a successful socialist state in history,in the whole history of human experience.
So, you know, I wonderabout these PhDs you're talking about college and
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I heard a stat that of theIvy League tenured professors, ninety four percent
of them believe in the Democratic Party, which now believes in socialism. So
that, well, that's not good, because that's very I think they forgot
John. Fourteen year old daughter.My fourteen year old daughter wants to go
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to law school, and she wantsto go to Ivy League law school.
But I'm going to have to introduceher myself to different ideas of thinking so
she could have more of an independentthought before she let me send you,
let me send you another let mesend you another book. I'll dedicate it
to her that that would that wouldwould be awesome. You know, um,
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you know my daughter, you know, as I don't I think you
know that I'm I'm a constitutional conservative. You know. My daughter, Uh,
she's just learning, so she doesnot know uh basically where she is
right now, you know. Uh. And I try to give her information
that she can learn from an openmind. You know, I grew up
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in politics. I don't know whatyou know about me, rich My father
was a civil rights activist in thesixties. Yeah, my father was a
patriot conservative, so I grew upunder his political tutelage, you know.
But uh, and even when youwere talking to Alex and the Hamble,
I remember reading the Federalist papers whenI was in my twenties, you know,
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uh, you know, you know, and stuff like that. But
they are removing American history, Americangovernment out of our educational system. And
that really is the status park.That is, if as politicians are getting
away with, we're having a tyrannicalpermit, that's what we're leaning Yet was
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well, what they're trying to do, yea, they're trying to remove They're
they're literally trying to remove our DNAfrom this country. And I go into
it at the end of Shadows ofthe Acropolis, that the d of our
country and the DNA being formed bythe administrative state, the Democratic Party,
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the Socialist Party of America is utterlyopposite to the way this country was founded.
So how do you do that?You have to remove the DNA from
the persons who still believe in thecountry as it was founded. So you
you take out as heroes by takingdown its statues. You take out as
heroes by calling them racists and flavors, you take out you take out the
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constitution by saying, wait a minute, it can it can be changed.
Woodrow Wilson, in he wrote alot of books. In his books,
he said, look times change,soak in the constitution. Our founders never
looked at it that way. Theylooked at it as as the highest law
of the land that would govern theland, like the patterns govern the stars,
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right, like gravity governs the stars, and so those two stars would
run into each other and create anexplosion. So that it's utterly where we're
going now is antithetical to the waywe are founded. And the reason you're
seeing all this movement in the educationsystem, it's all by design or in
the media breaking up the family.It's just it's it's become very obvious and
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so I think if I if,I you know, I hope I can
get back on because we're running outof time. But the reason I wrote
these two books is because if independencepersons who look at themselves as independence,
I'm like you, I'm a conservativeconstitutionalist. Persons who look at themselves as
independence, if they knew this historyand where we are today, they would
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run for another party than the DemocraticParty. If Democrats read these books rather
than just following the party line everyelection. If if persons who were conservative
Democrats there are still some out there, I think ten percent of the party
probably they would run out of theDemocratic Party because it's it's very well I'll
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explained here. It makes obvious what'sgoing on, and it makes obvious where
we're headed, and it's not agood place. We're headed towards the civil
war if we continue to go.And I know that sounds alarming. You're
not going to take people's guns awayin this country, Middle America. That
will never happen. You can postureit, you can post you're going to
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take them, but they will notgive up their guns and they should not,
you know, um, And it'ssad. You're right, we're going
to you know, The state wantsto be your daddy. The state wants
to be in control of your family. The state wants to to cright your
help, what you eat, everything, and what business you are in,
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what fate? What faith they're tryingto determine. Now by all this,
you know, and I I formy part, what gay people do is
up to them. It doesn't matterto me what anybody they're trying to they're
trying to overturn. They're trying tooverturn the freedom of faith enjoy by saying,
if your faith does not accept certainthings that we demand you accept,
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it can't exist. Right, That'swhere they're headed, and they're trying to
do it with a can opener,and that's not going to work in Middle
America either. So I've been onthis mission now, Chauncey, to help
people through a through story form andjust the basics, to let people know
how we grew up to being whatwe were and why, and then how
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we've departed from that for the lasthundred years and why. And it's all
about power, the concentration of powerin one place and then selling that power
through lobbyists and their interests. Andit's the Biden family it's the Biden family
rid large is what it is.You know, we don't power now.
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Laws are now made between agency headslobbyists and that's it interested lawyers, um,
and that's who's making the rules now, not our representatives. You're absolutely
correct. And that was one ofthe things that Donald Trump did when he
first got in the office to puta five year lobbying band that really ticked
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off the right from the left onethe establishment, because that's where they're getting
their kick back money from. Youknow, yeah, but you know,
but listen, but corrupt. Ithink they're not persecuting Trump because of his
personality. They're persecuting him every singleday because of his policies. They scare
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him to death. Yes, ofcourse, because their corruption exposed their corruption,
their theft, you know, theirimmorality. You know, I listen.
You know Trump has no filter andthe American people are tired of politicians
played aiding to people. That's whywe like Donald Trump because he has no
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film. He says it, whetherwe agree or not, He says it
how he is. He's not tryingto play Kate to the media, to
the people, you know, andI think that is not a politician.
You know, I've never heard himcalled a racist until he ran for president,
and I've known him Donald from thepast forty years, you know,
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yeah, exactly. So they usethey use the usual methods of smearing and
defaming and and then cook up athree years long investigation in order to rip
his life apart while he's president onsomething that they invented against him, the
Russian Collusia, the collusion hoax wasand then they impeached him, and now
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they're persecuting him again every chance theyget. And the reason is not that
they dislike him. They dislike hispolicies and they cannot stomach them because we're
at what I call Chauncey why inthe road. We're at a why in
the road. There's the administrative stateand the Democratic Party, and there's and
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there's constitutionalism, and those two areirreconcilable. Now. One is socialist and
the other one is socialists based onideal state theory and one is based on
John Locke and freedom. And there'sthere's no combining them anymore. They've been
combined now for a hundred years.There's no they cannot reconcile anymore. So
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that's why we're finding all these explosionslike two hundred cities being burned down and
looted, and all the all thecorruption that went on with the vote when
six toss up states go around theirstate constitutions, around the federal constitution and
create changes in election law that allowedmail in voting, and then you know,
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waiting a week after election day tosay, oh, sorry you lost.
Uh. It's a lot of thiscorruption. And this corruption didn't just
start ladies and gentlemen. I've politicsall of my life. I've witness corruption
at an early age. So youknow, they're trying to say like there
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was no no, there is corruptionjust about in every election. And you
know, I've always been a conservative, but I lived in democratic cities and
I participated. I know how theydo it. They've altered the machines.
I mean, you know, it'ssad that people cannot wrap their head around
that the election was stolen. Imean, really, a person's days in
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the basement. If you've ever seenanything, I don't think you had twenty
or thirty people. You know,Um state of safeguards are they're putting against
safeguards for the next one. Ihope that won't allow well, mail in
voting, no voting a week afterthe election, bringing in ballots a week
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late. That's it's anyway, that'sa whole other subject. But here's here's
a problem. A constitutionalist or conservativeslike Oz are all individuals. These guys
are collectives, and they have astrategy about everything, about how to get
laws passed through agencies, about howto strike down laws arrived at by actual
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representatives, about how to influence education, how to influence the media. Uh,
it's it's um, it's a dirtybargain there. So the only way,
you know, yeah, the remediesI say, you know, if
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if I'm asked, it's education.It always was. But we have to
we have to get together ourselves.And there's a great Uh, there's a
great website now called American Endeavorinc.Dot com. That's American American Endeavor Inc.
Dot com run by a man namedRick Stannard, And on that website
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are all the different organizations that areconservative. This has never been done before.
It's a common database dedicated to allthe conservative entities in America being able
to find each other, being ableto communicate. And it's a great service
he's doing. And I hope you'llput that on your website. Chance it's
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called American and devainc dot com.Yes, rich thank you so much.
I'm sorry we are out of timeby two minutes left. I want to
have you back. We need tobe educated on where we are, where
we're going, and how we're goingto get We'll pick it up where we
left off. We'll pick it upback at FDR. But get a hold
us on in and she'll work ona calendar in the meantime. If your
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audience is interested in the books,they're available at Amazon. You can look
up my name, Richard C.Lions or the titles The DNA of Democracy
or Shadows of the Acropolis, orgo to my website Richard Clyons dot com.
It's available there. You can askBarnes and Noble or any retailer.
Thank you so much, rich Andfor my listeners, I will update the
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description where those links will be onthe description under either Richard's name, his
website, or his books. Iwill tie them into Amazon or wherever his
books are located, and I'll havethose links where the people can purchase them
right away. Thank you so much, rich for a ton of them.
Thank you, thank you for askingme on and it's a pleasure to have
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you on. We're going to haveyou back on soon. I'm going to
contact Sonya and I'm looking forward tous doing the series. All right,
take here, rich Thank you verymuch, have a great weekend. Thank
you, have a great night.By you to take care. We were
honored and blessed to have in thestudio Richard Lyons, author of The DNA
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of Democracy and Shadows of the Corpocaplis. Oh that's a pump twister for me.
He broke down how our history ofdemocrats he came into being and where
we are today. And he clearlystated that where we are today, we're
in trouble. So we must educateeveryone. You know, to know nothing
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of the past is to understand blutleof the president and have no conception of
the future. The time is athand, ladies and gentlemen. If you
know and respect and want your freedomand liberty, the time is nap.
We all have to stand up andpush back against the tyranny that is transpiring
in our country today. I thankyou guys for tuning. Please join me
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see you next week tonight now
Love, talk, radiance, Goodevening, and welcome to the Chauncy Show,
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where we're always right and never left. We put God first in politics.
Second, welcome to the show.With everything going on in our country,
in the world today, there wasnot in a conversation that is important
than our democracy. Today. Wehave poets. A writer in the studio,
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Richard Lyons, is the author ofThe DNA of Democracy in the Shadows
of the Acropocalypse. He is goingto take us an inside look on how
democracy began and where we are todayand we are headed. Let me welcome
into the studio with any further adowriter and author Richard Lynes. Hey,
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rich Hello, Chauncy. Thanks forthe great introduction. That was very kind.
Thank you very much. Thank youfor taking time out of your busy
schedule to come on the show andtalk to my listeners about the DNA of
Democracy. If you want to talka little bit about yourself first, we
can do that, or you know, I'm excited just to jump right in
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and talk about the history of democracy. We have about an hour, so
we have a lot of time totalk, so I'll let me take it
away. Well, my background isMiddle Western. I grew up in the
Chicago area, and I grew upin a family that was in printing.
My grandfather started a printing company calledAugust Press one hundred years ago right now,
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and then my father expanded that intoeducational publishing, so that involved developmental
learning materials, which was special educationfor kids, and then Argus communications,
which was education of a religious basis. And so I grew up in that
field, and I was on theprinting presses, I was selling printing was
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I worked in the shipping department,also all over the printing company, and
then in the publishing companies and justformed. I've always loved literature, so
it took me into when we solda large part of our company and my
brother bought the printing company, Idecided to start writing and become an indie
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publisher so that I could write whatI wanted and hopefully for the good of
the public. So I wrote afew books now and The DNA of democracy,
getting right to your point, isa history of the infrequent instances where
democracy has succeeded in history. Formost of human experience, mankind has lived
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in what I call the common keep. The common keep is one of tyranny,
where you have a pharaoh or aking or an emperor, and a
few of his cohorts or police orarmy, and the multitudes are those who
get to do what they were told. So our form of democracy was born
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of to go back to the beginningthe Ten Commandments. The reason the Ten
Commandments were remarkable is because right acrossthe Sinai Desert there was the pharaoh Ramses,
and he was God on earth tothe Egyptians. The difference with Judaic
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tradition is that God takes the formof law on earth. It doesn't the
form of a person. So whenthings are based on law, even the
pharaoh is subject to law right.So that was a key difference in human
history. I then go from thatexperience, you know, where God was
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the pharaoh on earth, to lawbeing God on earth to the Greeks where
and in Greece this will sound familiar, but there was a there was a
king called Isagoras, and he claimedthat half the Athenians, half of the
entire population, were cursed, andbecause they were spiritually cursed, they could
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they could be dispossessed of their propertyand exiled from Athens. So when you
hear today of the Maga people beingcursed, or half the country is beneath
the other half the country. Ithas a reflection in Greece. And so
the people of Athens overtook their owngovernment, and overcame miss Agorris and a
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mercenary spartan army that had never beendefeated before, and on the acropolis,
they defeated that army and created theirown government based on a constitution. That
constitution gave every citizen a vote,that gave every citizen certain rights, and
so that was without example in humanhistory prior to them. I then go
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to Rome, where another king wasoverthrown, Tarquinius Superbus was his name,
and he was overthrown because he wasacting in a wrathful, tyrannic manner and
overtook the kingship without the right todo so. And so a man named
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Brutus expelled tarquin from the throne andset up what is end. Sacrificed his
life and those of his sons toset up what is called the Twelve Tables.
That is the common law of Romefrom which we derived some of our
common law today. So that isthe ancient experience, the classical experience,
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and I walk through that for avery good reason, because all these elements
later in the work are involved inour creation, the creation of America,
and I don't think people really understandthat how we infrequent democracy is how fragile
it is, and how every elementwe were founded with in our constitution is
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really critical. So I'm hoping toget that across. So that takes us
through the classical period. And Idon't know whether you would have a question
at that point. To be honestwith you, Rich, I'm really excited
about listening to this history, andI don't throw you off your games land,
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but I think it's important what you'resharing. If I had to think
about questions, it would be morefor the latter, because how do we
get to where we are today?Okay, well, let me get let
me get a little further through theDNA and yeah, better content. Okay.
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So we've gone through the importance oflaw from the Ten Commands, the
importance of a constitution with Athens,the importance of common law and property rights
very important from the Romans. Andthat concluded the classical era because after that
there was a thousand years of darkness. There were no democracies. There were
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a few scattered republics, in thenorth of Italy, but otherwise again the
common keep was the home of humanity. But then in England, it happened
that in twelve hundred, after Williamthe Conqueror overtook England, and this is
very interesting, he created a castlesystem. If you go to England now
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Chauncey, you will see these magnificumNorman castles that have literally been there now
for a thousand years. And thereason was that when William conquered England,
he had his nobles create castles,built castles, each one not one day's
ride from the other, so thatthey could form a mutual defense system across
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the whole of England. And theycalled it the bones of the kingdom or
tying down the countryside. But theywere the fortresses of kings and their nobles,
and it was to hold people outof the place of power. It
was also to imprison them within theplace of power if they were rebellious.
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While it came that William had adescendant called King John, and there's a
reason that there has not been aKing John since the first King John.
He was really a horrible tyrant,and the son of Henry the second,
who was great King and so hewas followed by John, who was a
terrible king. John wanted to wantedto maintain his overlordship of France, and
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to do so he had the practiceof imprisoning nobles the sons of nobles,
as a ransom for loyalty, andso he had at one point some two
hundred over two hundred nobles in hiscare. After there was a rebellion in
France, and he allowed all ofthese prisoners to die by starvation, so
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that all the nobles who were supposedto be loyal became outraged by this.
And when John's armies went to takea former friend's sons, his name was
Henry de Bruiz and his wife wasnamed Matilda. When John went to take
their sons into custody as a ransomfor loyalty, Matilda was alone. Henry
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was in France, and Matilda said, no, you're not taking my sons
anywhere, because we know exactly whathappens to your prisoners. So John's army
had to back up because Matilda wasvery strong in a strong military position,
and so but she had to runbecause there after John brought his whole horde
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of an army to take her castleand her She ran off with herself,
her son William, their kids,your son William's kids, and his wife
and led a trajectory. First theywent to Ireland to outrun them, then
they went to the Isle of Manto outrun them. Then they were found
and captured in Scotland, I thinkin Carrick Fergus. When they were taken
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they were taken down to Windsor Castle, the place where the coronation just happened,
right. They were taken there andthey were put in a due dungeon
that they used to call and oblique. They called it that because it's shaped
like a jar and the ceiling curvesover your heads. You can't climb up
any wall. And they call itan ubliette because it's that's French for a
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place to be forgotten. They putMatilda and her son and her son's wife
and children in the ubliet and theywere found two weeks later dead. This
so outraged the remaining nobles in thecountry that they came together in a rebellion,
and that rebellion ended up being theMagna Carta. The signing of the
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Magna Carta is one of the principaldocuments in the history of democratic rule in
the world, signed in twelve fifteen, and it is a cornerstone of our
common law. It protects rights toproperty, it protects individual rights. It
is the foundation of habeas corpus andthe trial method. All these things were
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one with the Magna Carta, andso that was I juxtaposed these things throughout
the book. So in Athens,for instance, you have Isagorus, and
then you have Cleisthenes, he wasthe rebel who was the founder of the
democratic government. In Rome, youhave Tarquinus and you have Brutus. In
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England you have King John and youhave Matilda, and then John Langton,
who was the Archbishop of Canterbury,who actually wrote the Magna Carta. So
then I go from there and tothe deeper end of British history, because
that's more our own history based ongovernment. And I go into the divine
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right time of Henry the Eighth andhow he assumed to himself And you'll appreciate
this chauncy. King Henry assumed tohimself the spiritual authority. So what is
that doing? He led as hesaid, it ruled, he said,
by divine right. Where does thatbring us back? It brings us back
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to the Pharaohs being God on earth. Henry thought he was God on earth
and that everything should bend to hiswill forgetting the better laws of God.
So that that ended up creating anotherrevolution, and that one being in England,
and that was the Civil War inEngland. And a curious thing happened
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during that time. Different power centerstook power, so that originally the king
that was executed, who maintained hisdivine right to rule, was Charles the
First. When he was overcome it, it was the parliament that became superior.
Yes, so the crown was down, Parliament became superior, but then
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they started to rule tyrannically through arump parliament, so they became as bad
as the king had been before.Then the army took over and created their
own sort of a dictatorship or OliverCromwell. So I call that section of
the book the Lords of the Hour. Why because it's a common trait in
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humankind to want power. Once youhave power, you want to expand power,
and once you expand power, youwant to defend power and never give
it up. It's a common traitwe all share, and that is why
we need democratic government. In fact, so after the Lords of the Hour,
many of the exiles from England cameover as pilgrims out of that crucible
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in England, out of the tyrannyboth of Charles the First and then the
tyranny exercised against persons of religion byCharles the Second when he was restored to
power. When they got over toAmerica. Now this we're moving into the
American section of the DNA of democracy. America is utterly unique. The persons
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that were on this continent at thetime, well, the ones that the
settlers met were either of the IroquoisConfederation or they were of the Cherokee Five
Civilized Tribes. Both of these associationswere federations of tribes that believed in the
same thing, the absolute freedom oftheir tribes. They fashioned their governments to
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govern least while keeping a common defense. So it was something that the settlers
had never known before, having comefrom England. And when they got into
an area which was a wilderness tobuild to build a civilization out of,
they literally grew their government out ofthe ground. The first part of government
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was the family. The second partof the government was your associations, whether
it's a religious association, educational association, or the town government. So everybody
was learning how to self govern inAmerica. That was not a practice in
England beforehand, it had never been. So they were and they I call
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it government grown out of the ground, because just as they grew their crops,
they grew their idea of government.And even the religious, the religious
aspects of their lives was based onfreedom. Congregants voted for their pastors.
Pastors weren't assigned as they had beenin England. The mayor was elected,
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the mayor wasn't appointed by a king. So it's a very different kind of
government growing up. It's a governmentliterally of everybody right. So and that
it's unique to America, that sortof upbringing and having the space to create
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new ideas, new ideas of governmentthroughout the colonies. So then we get
too a crucible because a couple ofhundred years go by and then happened the
French and Indian War in the seventeenfifties. We call it the French and
Indian War. In America, it'scalled the War of the Austrian Succession or
the Seven Years War in Europe,and it was a it was a global
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conflict in America. It bankrupted Englandin maintaining her colonies. She won the
war, but at great expense.And so after the war, having done
so much to own America, theEnglish parliament became a tyrant. They started
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demanding taxes of the colonials, andalso demanding taxes far in excess of what
had been taxed before. They wereusing the taxes to have standing armies in
the colonies and policemen and spies.In other words, the colonials saw all
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around them that they were paying fortheir own oppression. This is very important.
Taxes paying for oppression, and thatis how you create a common keep.
And so the colonials, after havingtwo hundred years of self rule in
thirteen colonies, right, they hadbeen left alone until the French and Indian
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Wars. They had literally been leftalone to govern themselves. So the king
all of a sudden got I rate, what do you mean they aren't going
to pay taxes? And the parliamentbecame our irate, what do you mean
they're not going to follow our laws? Well from the colonies, the colonists
were saying, we are not representedin your parliament, and our taxes are
not spent on what we would spendthem on and without you know, we
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demand representation if we're going to betaxed, not oppression. And that was
the whole point of the Revolutionary War. A distant capital was dictating the laws
and terms of governance in America whereAmericans had been free for a couple of
centuries. So that became, youknow, a crucible again, a crucible
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between a tyranny and a country desiringto be free. And I go into
a great explanation of it in theDNA of Democracy, not to tire your
readers, but I do it ina narrative form so that it's it's it's
it's storytelling, and it's not aboutpart dates. Its story. It's storytelling.
It's about heroes, heroes and thething I found Chauncey in the Revolutionary
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War, literally everybody took part,the entire colonial population that wasn't married to
England literally decided that their common liberty, their common liberty, which you can't
put a price on, right,it's not something you buy and sell.
Their common liberty was more important thantheir life. Their common liberty was more
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important than their property, their theircommon liberty was more important than their business
or their wealth. It was anamazing sacri fice to make to to create
the country that was created here.And so I go from I go from
that great, great sacrifice and greatcreation of a country to a point where
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the colonists were all saying, Okay, we just won the war. What
does it mean? You know whatI mean. We've just won. We've
thrown out We've thrown out the mostpowerful army and navy on Earth, and
we just whipped them off the continentand out of our harbors. So what
do we do with it? Well, a lot of colonists wanted a very
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loose arrangement based on the Articles ofConfederation, so that the states were supreme
and there wouldn't be a federal government. There would just be articles of mutual
defense sort of structure. Others wanteda federal government that was more concentrated and
that would be in the in thevein of Alexander Hamilton. So so there
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there came a Convention of the NewStates. Twelve states were represented there.
Rhode Island decided to abstain from thetwelve states. There were fifty five representatives.
Now these are all persons practiced inself government. And why would that
be Well, because they held officein the in the colonial structure of government,
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or or they ran their towns,or they were they were generals in
the army, or lieutenants or whathave you. All of them were brought
up in the art of self governance. And they also brought into into Philadelphia
all their libraries, every book theyhad based on types of government, types
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of constitutions, how other societies wentwrong, What happened to Athens? Why
was that? Why did that gowrong? While because in a pure democracy,
mob rule becomes a tyranney, becausea mob takes over based on a
demagogue. So they studied all thesethings and came up with the Constitution,
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which is a it is a documentthat diffuses power. And I'll try and
explain as America was brought up fromthe ground up. Richard, it's okay.
Before you continue to let me doa little quick break. I'm sure
for those that are tuning in,we're listening to Richard Lyons, author,
writer, architect of the DNA ofdemocracy, breaking down the history of tearingy
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in democracy in its current state.We thank you very much for having him
in the studio. Rich You aregiving us a ton of information as I'm
listening to you able to consume itat one time, and I'm really enjoying
it. And before you continue,the information that you're sharing is so important
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that I'd like to break this stuffdown in segments, and I'd like to
have you back on because even thoughthe summary of today different segments, people
no idea on how we got towhere we are today. You know,
most people just know about the Romanhistory to the United States. But how
you break down the DNA is criticalfor understanding of not only where we are
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today. And you mentioned before Iwent to a quick break about tyranny,
how democracy today is overthrowing the currentrepublic of our nation. So it's very
interesting where we are in American history. I consider myself a constitutionalist conservative,
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and yes, you know, theConstitution was put there as a stop gap,
if you will, to train thegovernment and the will of politicians in
government. But we see have thatchallenge today. So I'll let you continue,
but I'm excited to have you on. This information is awesome, said,
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I hope that I can have youon doing a series where we could
really educate, you know, thepublic, where we are, we got
here and where we're going, andwhat we should do, all what we
can do to help maybe change ormake the direction better. Well, you
know that it's all important. Ithink Chauncey that people are educated. It's
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the basis of having a properly,properly ordained government of the people. If
the people don't understand why the governmentis the way it is, it's hard
to know how to vote. Otherthan people mostly vote today. Oh I'm
a Democrat, Oh I'm a Republican. They don't think about what it means
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as much as I think. Aneducation in this sort of thing is a
matter of self help. So inanyway, we got to the point where
we were at the Constitutional Convention inPhiladelphia in seventeen eighty seven, and government
again was brought from the ground up. The first thing conceived by the framers
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of the Constitution was how do weget a federal government to leave proper government
alone. And when they thought aboutproper government, they were thinking about the
town halls in Massachusetts, they werethinking about assemblies in Pennsylvania, if they
were thinking about county government in theSouth, how do we keep the federal
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government out of people's lives. Itwasn't a matter of how can the government
help? It was how can youkeep it away? Right, you're supposed
to frame your own life in theway you would design it, and that
doesn't happen when you have an involvedgovernment. So they based local government on
okay, what will the federal governmentnot do? So in the night?
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In the Bill of Rights, that'sall about individual rights and trials and defense
from government. But there's also theninth and tenth Amendments and the Fifth Amendment,
which tries to protect the rights ofindividuals and their towns and states by
saying what is you know, bysaying, those powers not enumerated in the
Constitution are those reserved to the citizensand the states of America. So what
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is that? That is the individual, that is the town the individual lives
in, that's the business of theindividual, right in the enterprise system,
and that's the state. It wasconceived that the states would be a bulwark
of defense from an overreaching federal government, and so that's why so at the
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local level it's framed like an Athenianand Athenian democracy where everybody has everybody has
input. When the population has becomegreater, they become republic. So we
have in fact, today fifty republics. Each of the state is a republic
under itself. The framers thought mostlaw, most things to affect most individuals
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would occur at the town level.The next place at which law would affect
the individual is at the state level. The place where law would affect the
individual least would be laws derived fromthe federal government. Right. That was
the most differant government creation, andthey confined it with the Constitution, saying,
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you can only do what the Constitutionsays. Every other power is reserved
to individuals, towns, and states. So we'll get to how that was
overrun recently. But so, comingout of the Convention, we had a
constitution agreed to and ratified by tenof the thirteen states, and it functioned
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well there. There was, however, a compromise in the constitution. We
all know what it was, andit was the matter of slavery. The
only way to get the southern statesto agree to come together in a union
was to have to have a anallowance of slavery in the South while sunsetting
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the slave trade twenty years to theday after the signing of the constitution.
So this compromise was a compromise thatthe whole country had to pay for sixty
years later, sorry, eighty yearslater, in the form of the Civil
War, when in order to fusea line from the Declaration of Independence into
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the Constitution that all men are createdequal, one half of the country went
to war with the other half ofthe country at the cost of over a
million casualties and burning down of theSouth and all of its economic interests at
half the population, in order tofuse that line into the Constitution in the
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thirteenth, fourteenth, and fift teenthamendments. What does that prove. What
it proves is that our constitution camea long way to being cured through the
Civil War. It was a cruciblethat you know, bled the country dry,
but it came to the effect ofAbraham Lincoln. His inspiration and his
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design was after the war through theconstitutional method of amendment, through the thirteenth,
fourteenth, and fifteenth amendments, toexpand the franchise to include all persons
equally in the country. So theDNA of democracy then goes into the suffragette
movement. And why is that important? The women's movement from nineteen hundred gained
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its popularity through parades and through education. Literally what we're doing right now,
chasing talking to people and getting theword out why aren't why do women have
an equal vote? And of coursenobody could come up with a good reason
because women in America, uniquely,women in America were educated, and some
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were far better educated than their husbands. So that it became a movement,
and it was done the right way. It was done through the amendment process,
and two thirds of the of theHouse and Senate approved it as an
amendment. It went out for ratification, and two thirds of the states approved
the amendments, and so we havethe nineteenth Amendment, which is the Suffragette
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movement. So that ends the DNAof democracy. And there's a reason why.
I don't know if you have aquestion, now, if you do,
that's all. That's all the evolutionand all the parts that are important
to how our country was founded andbecame at its best, the most country
with the widest enfranchisement and the greatestdiffusion of power between local, state and
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federal government was right at that time. Verse insightful, a lot of history,
a lot of knowledge. Um questions. I mean, you've given us
so much information. The first thingI think about, of I think about
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a question is since the beginning ofdemocracy, how has it changed how?
I don't want to frame my question. Well, you had you had,
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you had the Greek model, whichwas right wrong, wrong in that it
gave a vote to everybody. Anda demagogue can can run through a can
become the catalyst of a mob whowill take rights away from their fellow citizens.
Right in Rome, the case wasthe case was that there were two
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brothers called the Drackeye. They wereTiberius and I can't remember the Gaius Gracchus.
They empowered the tribune ship at thecost of the Senate. The Senate
had been that vessel between the patricianclass and the plebeian class that melded all
the representations into one place to arriveat a law. That it was a
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peaceful way of coming to law,coming to a common law. The grac
Eye over empowered the tribune ship andso overpowered the mob. When that happened,
there was a slow descent into thesort of empire that Rome became.
You had Marius, then Zella,and that those were proceeding to Caesar,
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right, and we know what happenedwith him, and then the long catalog
of emperors. But the republic diedright there. That's when the republic died
with the accession of Julius Caesar.So yeah, so our government, our
government, Chauncey was one that tookall these factors into effect and put it
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into the constitution to guard us fromthe mob. How do you do that?
You create a House of Representatives thatrepresents the people directly. Then you
have a Senate that represents the peopleand their states. Right, so if
you are the Senator from South,if you're the Senator from Missouri, you
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represent all the people of Missouri andyou represent your state. In order to
be a defense against federal overreach.We have lost that, and it's part
of the next book. So whenwe move from the dna of democracy these
to the shadows of the acropolis,we are now in nineteen hundred. One
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of our favorite presidents was Teddy Roosevelt. He was one of the most unique
American characters in our history. Buthe also grew up at a time when
he was a kid. Italian,which had been in Italy, which had
been a series of unorganized principalities,became a unified country, and Germany,
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again a series of ununified principalities becamea country because they formed a federal system
based on a sort of a strongman character. Teddy Roosevelt grew up with
that and he wanted to have amore stronger federal government in a stronger executive
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office. And that's where the problemstarts in America. And one thing that
he did, I go back inshadows of the Acropolis, and I juxtaposed
founders to those who did not carryon in their traditions. So in the
first part of the book, Icall it dinner at Jefferson's. And why
do I do that? Because TomJefferson had dinner with Madison and with Alexander
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Hamilton, and there were two thingson the plate. One was how do
we consolidate the war depths of thestates into a central bank, because everybody
was suspicious of its central anything.And the second thing was what about a
capital? Where is it going tobe? So they came to the conclusion
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that the capital should not be morethan ten by ten miles square, It
should not possess any property, itshould not possess any power by weight of
the land that was under it.So it could not be part of a
state because that would make the statepowerful. It had to be on its
own, it had to be tenby ten square feet and more so,
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I juxtaposed that to what Ted Rooseveltdid, and he assumed lands in thirty
one states. We had thirty onestates at the time, and he assumed
lands, calling him park lands andnatural force and this sort of thing.
But it consolidated under the federal governmentand the executive branch all those lands.
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So immediately the executive office of ourgovernment became the chief landholder in the country,
much like a monarch in Britain,much like William the first Jauncy.
I'm hearing a little background. Isthere a machine running? Yes, it's
my air purifire. Yeah, Iapologize, Yeah, I think I wonder
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if you could hear my air purifire. So that consolidated a great amount of
power in the executive office right there. Just by doing that, it gave
the federal government land in states thatit was never conceived of as being something
that would ever happen in America basedon the Constitution. Because in the Constitution,
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the capital was consigned ten by tensquare feet of ten by ten square
miles of area. So then wego to Woodrow Wilson. Woodrow Wilson was
a devotee while first to state whata lot of people don't know. He
grew up on college campuses. Hewas a professor. His life was surrounded
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by the manicured laws of the IvyLeague universities. Now, our form of
government from the Constitution is based onthe philosophy of John Locke. John Locke
based our constitution. Our constitution wasbased on his philosophy of the individual,
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that God grants rights to individuals,and those individuals always have those rights individuals
side what the government can and can'tdo. The citizen is the ruler,
the government is the servant. It'sthe inverse of the common keep exact inverse.
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While along came Woodrow Wilson, andhe was fascinated by Germany. He
was fascinated by Frederick the Great.He was fascinated by a philosopher called Frederick
Hegel. Frederick Hegel. His philosophywas based on the ideal state. And
it's called ideal state theory in Germany. And it's based on administrative ministerial law.
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And if you want to see whatthat looks like, it's what the
EU is today. And it iswhat our government is becoming. It is
the growth of an administrative state undergovernment that makes its own rules. They're
supposed to be congressional oversight. Idon't know how much that happens nowadays.
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They make their own and they enforcethem. That is that is the quotation
for tyranny, as described by thosewho fought the British Empire. At any
rate, he created the administrative state. And from that time one hundred exactly
one hundred years ago, this administrativestate has been growing, and it's been
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growing through what we call the agencies. So what is it. It's the
Drug Administration, It's the EPA,right, and it's also the law enforcement
agency, so it's the FBI,it's the CIA, it's the I R
Rest, Right, it's all theseagencies who are creating massive amounts of law
and are unanswerable to any of thepeople's representatives. Right. They're supposed to
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be ideally answerable to representatives in Congressand the Senate. They are less and
less answerable by the day in thatthe Democrats are now they use the administrative
state to promote their policies that theycan't get passed in Congress. So they
pass amorphous laws and say to sayto the FDA enforce those laws, or
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say to the sec enforce those lawsby making up rules to fit the law
that we think this should be.So I'll give you an example. During
the Obama presidency, that's eight yearsof presidency, there were four hundred or
so laws passed through the People's representatives. Right, that's called the original fountain
of Authority by Alexander Hamilton. Onlyfour hundred or so laws passed through the
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Houses of Congress and were signed intolaw. Over twenty thousand rules with the
effect of law and with the enforcementof law enforcement agencies were passed through agencies
of the federal government. There arenow some four hundred forty agencies unanswerable to
anybody because the Democrats defend the agenciesbecause that is where they make policy.
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So we are, we are ina country now that had power removed from
from local authority, removed from stateauthority, bounded into the federal government,
and in the federal government into theexecutive branch. And it is it has
been a career that's been one hundredyears long now and now we're seeing we're
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seeing the effects now Donald Trumps asbrusque as he is and as much as
he bothers people, and his personalitycan be greating. He was a great
threat to the Democrats because of hispolicies. He dared to say, some
of these regulations should be ended,we shouldn't have this much regulation. Some
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of these taxes should not be had. We are to reduce the taxation the
American people, and we alread toempower the states. We ought to have
freedom of education. And these arethings that when a Democrat hears it,
or persons in the administrative state,that's their power base. And so he's
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a he's a big threat to them. So we can we can go now,
I've talked about a little bit WoodrowWilson. I should get to FDR.
I didn't mean to jump ahead likethat, but there's one that we
have about ten more minutes left.But okay, you can go ahead,
because I'm I'm doing the conversation.I'm sure my listeners are too. I
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do want to do. Okay,you've gotten excited. When I was like
FDR, FDR when I was NAthat's when you were in college. When
when I when I was in college, it's about John Locke, my philosophy
class. I asked the question howdoes one acquire rights? That was my
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introduction to John Locke, and that'sa great question, and yeah, it
was. Yeah. I mean youknow that, Sauncy. I got to
stop you, Chauncey, Chauncey.I have to stop you right there,
because that's what this entire book isabout. Where do we derive rights?
In John Locke's philosophy, the individualis the ruler and the government is the
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servant because rights are derived from God. That single God is not Pharaoh.
God is a God of law,and God bestowed rights on each individual.
The way the government is going inthis administrative state, the ideal state theory.
To try and be simple about it, it means that individuals give up
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their rights to be a member toa greater being. The greater being is
the state. That is what fueledthe fascism of Italy, the fascism of
Germany, and the communism of Russia. That ideal state theory, that collectivism
of individual and giving up their rightsto a government. And then once you
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give up your rights, you don'tget them back, right the state tells
you what your rights are. Eitherthe individuals of a country decide what the
government can do, or the governmentdecides what rights individuals have, and that
is it is anathema to the conceptand foundation of our country. And yet
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we have a party in power thatis dedicating our country to it and in
hurdling us into socialism without any regardto the idea that there has never been
a successful socialist state in history,in the whole history of human experience.
So, you know, I wonderabout these PhDs you're talking about college and
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I heard a stat that of theIvy League tenured professors, ninety four percent
of them believe in the Democratic Party, which now believes in socialism. So
that, well, that's not good, because that's very I think they forgot
John. Fourteen year old daughter.My fourteen year old daughter wants to go
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to law school, and she wantsto go to Ivy League law school.
But I'm going to have to introduceher myself to different ideas of thinking so
she could have more of an independentthought before she let me send you,
let me send you another let mesend you another book. I'll dedicate it
to her that that would that wouldwould be awesome. You know, um,
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you know my daughter, you know, as I don't I think you
know that I'm I'm a constitutional conservative. You know. My daughter, Uh,
she's just learning, so she doesnot know uh basically where she is
right now, you know. Uh. And I try to give her information
that she can learn from an openmind. You know, I grew up
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in politics. I don't know whatyou know about me, rich My father
was a civil rights activist in thesixties. Yeah, my father was a
patriot conservative, so I grew upunder his political tutelage, you know.
But uh, and even when youwere talking to Alex and the Hamble,
I remember reading the Federalist papers whenI was in my twenties, you know,
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uh, you know, you know, and stuff like that. But
they are removing American history, Americangovernment out of our educational system. And
that really is the status park.That is, if as politicians are getting
away with, we're having a tyrannicalpermit, that's what we're leaning Yet was
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well, what they're trying to do, yea, they're trying to remove They're
they're literally trying to remove our DNAfrom this country. And I go into
it at the end of Shadows ofthe Acropolis, that the d of our
country and the DNA being formed bythe administrative state, the Democratic Party,
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the Socialist Party of America is utterlyopposite to the way this country was founded.
So how do you do that?You have to remove the DNA from
the persons who still believe in thecountry as it was founded. So you
you take out as heroes by takingdown its statues. You take out as
heroes by calling them racists and flavors, you take out you take out the
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constitution by saying, wait a minute, it can it can be changed.
Woodrow Wilson, in he wrote alot of books. In his books,
he said, look times change,soak in the constitution. Our founders never
looked at it that way. Theylooked at it as as the highest law
of the land that would govern theland, like the patterns govern the stars,
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right, like gravity governs the stars, and so those two stars would
run into each other and create anexplosion. So that it's utterly where we're
going now is antithetical to the waywe are founded. And the reason you're
seeing all this movement in the educationsystem, it's all by design or in
the media breaking up the family.It's just it's it's become very obvious and
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so I think if I if,I you know, I hope I can
get back on because we're running outof time. But the reason I wrote
these two books is because if independencepersons who look at themselves as independence,
I'm like you, I'm a conservativeconstitutionalist. Persons who look at themselves as
independence, if they knew this historyand where we are today, they would
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run for another party than the DemocraticParty. If Democrats read these books rather
than just following the party line everyelection. If if persons who were conservative
Democrats there are still some out there, I think ten percent of the party
probably they would run out of theDemocratic Party because it's it's very well I'll
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explained here. It makes obvious what'sgoing on, and it makes obvious where
we're headed, and it's not agood place. We're headed towards the civil
war if we continue to go.And I know that sounds alarming. You're
not going to take people's guns awayin this country, Middle America. That
will never happen. You can postureit, you can post you're going to
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take them, but they will notgive up their guns and they should not,
you know, um, And it'ssad. You're right, we're going
to you know, The state wantsto be your daddy. The state wants
to be in control of your family. The state wants to to cright your
help, what you eat, everything, and what business you are in,
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what fate? What faith they're tryingto determine. Now by all this,
you know, and I I formy part, what gay people do is
up to them. It doesn't matterto me what anybody they're trying to they're
trying to overturn. They're trying tooverturn the freedom of faith enjoy by saying,
if your faith does not accept certainthings that we demand you accept,
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it can't exist. Right, That'swhere they're headed, and they're trying to
do it with a can opener,and that's not going to work in Middle
America either. So I've been onthis mission now, Chauncey, to help
people through a through story form andjust the basics, to let people know
how we grew up to being whatwe were and why, and then how
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we've departed from that for the lasthundred years and why. And it's all
about power, the concentration of powerin one place and then selling that power
through lobbyists and their interests. Andit's the Biden family it's the Biden family
rid large is what it is.You know, we don't power now.
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Laws are now made between agency headslobbyists and that's it interested lawyers, um,
and that's who's making the rules now, not our representatives. You're absolutely
correct. And that was one ofthe things that Donald Trump did when he
first got in the office to puta five year lobbying band that really ticked
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off the right from the left onethe establishment, because that's where they're getting
their kick back money from. Youknow, yeah, but you know,
but listen, but corrupt. Ithink they're not persecuting Trump because of his
personality. They're persecuting him every singleday because of his policies. They scare
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him to death. Yes, ofcourse, because their corruption exposed their corruption,
their theft, you know, theirimmorality. You know, I listen.
You know Trump has no filter andthe American people are tired of politicians
played aiding to people. That's whywe like Donald Trump because he has no
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film. He says it, whetherwe agree or not, He says it
how he is. He's not tryingto play Kate to the media, to
the people, you know, andI think that is not a politician.
You know, I've never heard himcalled a racist until he ran for president,
and I've known him Donald from thepast forty years, you know,
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yeah, exactly. So they usethey use the usual methods of smearing and
defaming and and then cook up athree years long investigation in order to rip
his life apart while he's president onsomething that they invented against him, the
Russian Collusia, the collusion hoax wasand then they impeached him, and now
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they're persecuting him again every chance theyget. And the reason is not that
they dislike him. They dislike hispolicies and they cannot stomach them because we're
at what I call Chauncey why inthe road. We're at a why in
the road. There's the administrative stateand the Democratic Party, and there's and
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there's constitutionalism, and those two areirreconcilable. Now. One is socialist and
the other one is socialists based onideal state theory and one is based on
John Locke and freedom. And there'sthere's no combining them anymore. They've been
combined now for a hundred years.There's no they cannot reconcile anymore. So
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that's why we're finding all these explosionslike two hundred cities being burned down and
looted, and all the all thecorruption that went on with the vote when
six toss up states go around theirstate constitutions, around the federal constitution and
create changes in election law that allowedmail in voting, and then you know,
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waiting a week after election day tosay, oh, sorry you lost.
Uh. It's a lot of thiscorruption. And this corruption didn't just
start ladies and gentlemen. I've politicsall of my life. I've witness corruption
at an early age. So youknow, they're trying to say like there
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was no no, there is corruptionjust about in every election. And you
know, I've always been a conservative, but I lived in democratic cities and
I participated. I know how theydo it. They've altered the machines.
I mean, you know, it'ssad that people cannot wrap their head around
that the election was stolen. Imean, really, a person's days in
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the basement. If you've ever seenanything, I don't think you had twenty
or thirty people. You know,Um state of safeguards are they're putting against
safeguards for the next one. Ihope that won't allow well, mail in
voting, no voting a week afterthe election, bringing in ballots a week
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late. That's it's anyway, that'sa whole other subject. But here's here's
a problem. A constitutionalist or conservativeslike Oz are all individuals. These guys
are collectives, and they have astrategy about everything, about how to get
laws passed through agencies, about howto strike down laws arrived at by actual
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representatives, about how to influence education, how to influence the media. Uh,
it's it's um, it's a dirtybargain there. So the only way,
you know, yeah, the remediesI say, you know, if
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if I'm asked, it's education.It always was. But we have to
we have to get together ourselves.And there's a great Uh, there's a
great website now called American Endeavorinc.Dot com. That's American American Endeavor Inc.
Dot com run by a man namedRick Stannard, And on that website
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are all the different organizations that areconservative. This has never been done before.
It's a common database dedicated to allthe conservative entities in America being able
to find each other, being ableto communicate. And it's a great service
he's doing. And I hope you'llput that on your website. Chance it's
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called American and devainc dot com.Yes, rich thank you so much.
I'm sorry we are out of timeby two minutes left. I want to
have you back. We need tobe educated on where we are, where
we're going, and how we're goingto get We'll pick it up where we
left off. We'll pick it upback at FDR. But get a hold
us on in and she'll work ona calendar in the meantime. If your
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audience is interested in the books,they're available at Amazon. You can look
up my name, Richard C.Lions or the titles The DNA of Democracy
or Shadows of the Acropolis, orgo to my website Richard Clyons dot com.
It's available there. You can askBarnes and Noble or any retailer.
Thank you so much, rich Andfor my listeners, I will update the
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description where those links will be onthe description under either Richard's name, his
website, or his books. Iwill tie them into Amazon or wherever his
books are located, and I'll havethose links where the people can purchase them
right away. Thank you so much, rich for a ton of them.
Thank you, thank you for askingme on and it's a pleasure to have
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you on. We're going to haveyou back on soon. I'm going to
contact Sonya and I'm looking forward tous doing the series. All right,
take here, rich Thank you verymuch, have a great weekend. Thank
you, have a great night.By you to take care. We were
honored and blessed to have in thestudio Richard Lyons, author of The DNA
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of Democracy and Shadows of the Corpocaplis. Oh that's a pump twister for me.
He broke down how our history ofdemocrats he came into being and where
we are today. And he clearlystated that where we are today, we're
in trouble. So we must educateeveryone. You know, to know nothing
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of the past is to understand blutleof the president and have no conception of
the future. The time is athand, ladies and gentlemen. If you
know and respect and want your freedomand liberty, the time is nap.
We all have to stand up andpush back against the tyranny that is transpiring
in our country today. I thankyou guys for tuning. Please join me
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