November 17, 2025 • 58 mins
Two minutes of repair can change your whole 24-hour race plan. We kick off with a gritty Monza debrief: late to qualifying, a sausage curb roll that tagged the engine, triple stints through the night, and the math of half-tenths adding up until an hour later you’re on someone’s bumper. We explain how we stabilized, why consistency beat heroics, what team iRating and safety looked like, and how we’re carrying those lessons into Daytona.
From there, we pivot to gear news that actually matters. SimLab opened a US warehouse, which should slash shipping pain for American racers, and early Black Friday discounts are popping across rigs, mounts, and accessories. Simucube laid out its Tuner 3 roadmap—visual redesign, deeper sim integration, telemetry effects, and long-awaited quality-of-life features. If telemetry effects land on Simucube 2, a lot of folks will rethink upgrades. We also touch on fresh releases—NASCAR 25 and Assetto Corsa Rally—flagging early issues and why waiting a week can save headaches.
We also tackle the blue flag debate with a stance built on endurance reality. For multiclass, yield decisively. For same-class, a blue flag is information, not a command—leave space when the move is on, don’t brake for a car that isn’t closing, and avoid blocks. It’s about predictable cooperation, not surrender. Rounding it out, we share a Black Friday buying order that keeps you sane: invest in the chassis first, then wheelbase and pedals, and watch out for duties and VAT that erase “deals.” On reviews, we push for trust signals: long sessions, telemetry, real races, and creators who show the ugly as well as the polished.
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Jason (00:00):
This episode is brought to you by Trophy AI, the
ultimate performance coach toolfor simracers.
Hello, and welcome to theChicane Podcast, where we
(00:36):
discuss all things in the simracing world.
I'm your host, Jason Rivera,and I'm joined here by the
Almighty Jeff Smart.
The man, the myth, the legend.
The man that's on terminal.
The man that is.
Jeff (00:51):
Yeah, I it's not supposed to be at work.
Find some find myself at work.
But you know, it's kind of iswhat it is.
But uh yeah, buddy.
Good seeing you again.
Good seeing you again.
Um dude, I did not, you know,like there's a saying, like
always, bro.
Some days you're the nail, someuh some days you're the hammer.
Dude, I feel like I've been thenail for for for a solid week
(01:11):
now.
I just haven't got up muchracing, gotten in the rig much
this week.
Just you know, you know how itis.
Life, life in general.
I'm sure everybody knows.
Oh, okay, Scott.
Jason (01:19):
This week was a different week then.
I see.
Jeff (01:21):
Yeah, I mean, it just every week can't be every night,
you know, every every weekcan't be every night in the rig
driving.
You know, you gotresponsibilities with life, you
know.
Jason (01:30):
A hundred percent, man.
Jeff (01:31):
Husband, dad, whatever you got going on in your life.
So yeah, next week maybe it'llbe different.
Uh we shall see.
We shall see.
But we're coming down to likethe gritty time here, where it's
coming down to like a scarytime where we're gonna have to
like dismantle the rig and startthis journey.
I'm always here.
We will talk about that, getcloser.
Jason (01:51):
I mean that from the bottom of my heart.
I'm here, so if you need help,I have tools.
I you have a shit ton of tools,but they might get packed.
You know what I'm saying?
That's true, yeah.
Jeff (02:00):
All my shoulder, a shoulder to cry on.
Jason (02:02):
Yeah, I got some brand new stuff I've been begging to
try out, so no worries.
I'll be over there with myshiny, shiny.
Let's go.
Um, yeah.
Uh how about you?
That is that is a scary sight,you know.
That is a scary.
I don't I don't ever imaginetaking the shit apart.
Jeff (02:19):
Like I know, it's like I makes my screen fall.
Jason (02:22):
I don't even know where to begin.
Where do I begin?
So no, I had an excellent week.
Um, I know you were alluding tothat, so I'll just go ahead and
say it.
Uh, we had a 24-hour race, thatI'm still here and alive and
well.
Jeff (02:41):
I don't even know how it ended, so I'm anxious to hear
your debrief of how it went.
Jason (02:46):
Okay, so we had a great start to the race, which is
already off the wrong foot,right?
You already know that thatthat's when you can you lead
with that, yeah.
That's how we're leading,that's how we're going we're
going about this.
So we qualified, we qualifiedP16.
And the reason why is becausewe were late to the quality.
(03:06):
We literally only did our ourour fastest driver.
Uh shout out to John, uh, theman from PR.
That's the man.
Uh he was able to get oneoutlap and a single push lap
after that.
And the tires weren't reallyall the way there.
So I think P16 was damn neargood enough for what it was.
(03:31):
Um, so then we start the race.
Jeff (03:33):
What is I don't mean to, you know, uh yeah, sure.
What does qualifying look likefor an event like that?
Is it like your standardofficial where it's two laps,
and you that's it?
Jason (03:44):
I think you get uh five minutes to quality.
Okay, but we were we werefreaking late, bro.
We were late.
You know, our our lap timeswere pretty damn consistent.
We were in the 47s, and when Ilooked up at the board, the
fastest were in the 46s, but thevery high 46s.
(04:04):
I think it was only like one ortwo drivers that were up there,
at least in our split.
And that was it, we were in thethird split, bro.
It was pretty damn high of asplit, um, which I'm proud of,
right?
Uh, anyway, so uh a lot ofproblems with the scheduling,
and we're working to fix that.
And I ended up doing like atriple stint, you know.
(04:27):
Um, I think uh John did atriple stint or almost a triple
stint, waking up at different.
Jeff (04:34):
How long is a triple stint?
Jason (04:35):
It's not that long, it's just that well, us each stint
was around 51 minutes, so you dothat three hours three times.
Yeah, we call a stint like justempty tank.
Technically, yeah, a tank ofgas.
So I burned three tanks of gas,and get this, I kept the same
set of tires on to try and makeup time for a reason.
(04:57):
So I'll get into that.
So we we uh um we started offgood.
We made it up to like John madeup like four places after he
started, so he did really goodat that, gave me the car, and I
was chasing down P got got toP11, then I was chasing P10.
(05:18):
P10 was I I looked at thedeltas, I was killing him on
every corner.
And I took a sausage, bro.
You know how it is.
You know the bumps on the road,we call them sausage.
I took a sausage, it it rolledthe car literally like this, and
(05:39):
she spun around.
She spun around, buddy, shespun around in a perfect angle
to hit the very rear, which iswhere the engine's at.
So I thought it was gonna becatastrophic.
I was like, I spun the card.
I got back on track, pulled itinto the pits, and I think it
(05:59):
was up two minutes of damage.
I was like, okay, two minutesof damage.
That's not bad.
Yeah, that's not bad.
It's throw two tires on fueland it's kind of manageable,
kind of reset, yeah, kind ofreset and and wait it out
because these events are our uhwaiting game.
Uh you you do lap times, youkeep them consistent, but we're
we're waiting for things todevelop or for us to get a
(06:21):
chance to catch people.
Even if you're like half atenth uh faster than the guy in
front of you, he could be 20seconds, but that can mean that
you're gonna see that car in anhour.
In an hour's time, you'll be onhis bumper.
Does that make sense in anevent like this?
That's you know, so it is thatmuch of a difference.
Yeah, yeah.
(06:42):
It's like half a tenth.
Okay, next lap, half a tent.
It adds up, right?
Yeah, it keeps adding up andadding up and adding up.
And then when you you're like,oh shit, we're like 10 seconds
away, we're like five secondsaway.
Then you can actually see them.
You know, it's kind of likethat.
So I drove my ass off afterthat spin-off.
I felt really terrible aboutit.
And I made up for it.
(07:02):
I did excellent.
I was I was busting down laptimes, consistent.
They were fast.
It was uh one o'clock in themorning.
Gave the car to the top shata,Neil.
I'm gonna have these guys, I'mgonna have this the team on the
show one day.
Just just just round them allup and just grill them with
questions or something.
But uh just to recap realquick, another uh another one of
(07:27):
my drivers that I'm not gonnamention his name because I don't
want to put him on blastbecause I don't know what
happened.
I haven't got the fact to seewhat happened, but he got into a
nasty wreck, and I heard thatthe car had 20 minutes worth of
damage when I woke up in themorning.
(07:50):
So after that, it was kind oflike you know, but get this we
ended the race and we ended inP16, still managed to end up
where we started, uh, whichwasn't all all the way bad, but
um, we got like a minus one ouri rating for everything, which
was I'll take that man with a24-hour race.
(08:12):
I was fine with that.
Take my one I rating, take thataway.
Jeff (08:17):
So, like a solid one, huh?
So does if if what your co whatyour other drivers do affects
your rate, I rating too?
Jason (08:28):
No.
So okay, uh well, yes, the Irating as a team, yes, because
positional uh position appliesto everyone, but safety applies
to each individual driver.
So some of our drivers um gotpromoted.
One of them was a B and he gotpromoted to A.
Um cool.
Some of them didn't get as muchpoints, so it depends how well
(08:51):
you do when you're driving thecar, but it but i rating is
calculated as from how youqualify to where you ended up
with, you know, how you finishedthe race.
So uh minus one, it means thatthe gate the sim was expecting
us to be way higher because wewere faster and it made sense,
(09:12):
you know what I mean?
But shit happens, you know whatI mean, and we're we're gearing
up for Daytona, so Daytona'scoming.
Jeff (09:20):
I'm sorry, I misunderstood.
You went up one I so youfinished where okay, I
understand now.
I'm sorry, I thought you uhsaid uh went down one in one
total in safety.
You went down in I rating.
I'm sorry, I misunderstood.
Jason (09:31):
Just I rating, literally, one point, one point was taken
from us, which is for all theshit that happened.
I was like, okay.
Um, but yeah, we're we'retrying to find.
I I mean, it's my dream to do arace with with no wrecks, no
incidents, no, I mean, incidentsare fine going off track.
(09:53):
Um one of our guys had a blackflag, then on his, you know, he
got a black flag, but ittechnically wasn't his fault.
He he got handed the car with Idon't know, like something like
70 incidents, and them thingsrack up, man.
You know, after a while, thoseincidents in 24 hours, you're
(10:15):
gonna have an off-track here andthere.
What if you have to avoid acar?
You know, it's a 1x, it's a 1x,or if you're going down a
straight and somebody hits youin the back, even if it's a
little bit 4x, you know, thosethings add up.
So you get 100 for the wholeentire group, and that's shared.
So if I gave the car to you andyou only had 10 incidents left,
(10:39):
I gave it to you at 90.
You're gonna get a black flagif you somebody's gonna catch
it.
Yeah, somebody's gonna get it.
So, yeah, it was the top shata.
Yeah, we'll give that to him,and we gave him so much shit.
We gave it to him.
I bet you we were giving himshit all night.
And it was still fun, though.
It was still fun, but that wasMonza.
(11:01):
First time ever doing a 24Monza, and Daytona is gonna be a
first time ever for me.
And still, this year uh is thefirst year that I actually
learned Daytona.
I didn't know Daytona as atrack on a GT3, did not know it.
And I wasn't a fan of itlooking at it from the outside,
(11:23):
which is blasphemy for a lot ofpeople, especially us Americans.
That's American Pride, Daytona,right?
Fair.
And I actually love the damntrack.
I freaking love it now.
It's it's one of my ifDaytona's racing right now on
the on the GTs, I will be there.
I will be there all day.
It's so much fun to race onthat track.
(11:44):
I love it.
Um, but anyways, guys, today wehave a lot to cover.
Um and not enough time to coverit, but I'm gonna do my best
here.
We're gonna do our best here.
We might have to have a parttwo of this, but Black Friday
deals are now live.
Right now, by the time you seethis, there might be more deals,
(12:07):
you know.
And I'm gonna try and keep youguys up to date.
The Shicane podcast will do itsbest to feed you week by week
up until the event, right?
Um, but I need to get you goingfirst.
So, oh, this was uh sorry,Jeff.
That's fine.
I had I had this marked downfor Jeff.
(12:28):
So go ahead, Jeff.
But what else we got this week,man?
Jeff (12:31):
Fair enough.
Yeah, so uh big news uh forthose SimRacers in the United
States.
Uh big announcement out ofSimLab today, which uh, you
know, Jason and I are big uh youknow um fans of SimLab.
Uh we don't get a nickel fromthem, but we believe that they
have a solid product.
But nonetheless, uh they haveannounced that they are opening
their US-based warehouse.
(12:52):
So big uh reason that we're abig fan of that is shipping
should be significantly cheaperfor those in the United States.
Um I wanted I was looking totry to get a floor.
Jason (13:03):
Um Bro, didn't you tell me let's buy this used rig for
500 bucks and you split it withme just to get profile?
That's how bad.
That's how bad we wantedprofile.
Sorry.
Jeff (13:16):
Yeah, it was a ton of it, but uh, anyways, yeah, so and it
was like the the floor and likethe uh you know, like the the
mat that a rig goes on, it justlooks nice with that simlab, and
then some odd num hardware,right?
And it was like $80, or I thinkit was like $120 in um for the
products, and it was like $130for shipping.
And it was like at that point,it it ain't happening.
(13:39):
Um, so this should hopefullyalleviate that.
Um, it might be you know stilla little steep for some of us,
you know, out here in Hawaii,but nonetheless, it should be a
lot cheaper than from Europe.
So that's good news.
Also, they have a they theyreleased, I think it was Jason,
uh 15% store wide for BlackFriday.
Um I'd have to take a lookagain, but it was it was a good
(13:59):
one that they were pushing.
Jason (14:00):
Um, we're gonna get into that.
We're gonna get into BlackFriday deals 100%.
Jeff (14:05):
We'll get there.
Um, yeah, other than that, weuh what else is going on?
I there's there's a lot ofstuff, a lot of things going on,
Jason.
If you want to pile up.
Jason (14:14):
Yeah, I got I got the next one.
Simicube uh tuner three has anew roadmap um that they're I'm
gonna show you here real quick.
Um let me go ahead and share myscreen.
Alright, guys, so this is theum roadmap for Simicube.
(14:36):
I got the order all wrong, buthere it is.
The tuner software 3.0 visualredesign, uh telemetry effects
for simicube three, sim racingintegration, uh new sim support,
right?
So improved UX andcommunication between devices.
This is stage one.
This I am very excited for.
(14:59):
They seem to be investigatingsimicube 2 telemetry effects.
So if they're able to addtelemetry effects to my Simicube
2 Pro, what do you mean?
Jeff (15:12):
What do you mean by that?
Jason (15:13):
That's gonna weigh off a very, very hard decision on
whether I want to upgrade to thethree or not.
You know what I mean?
So anyway, stage two uh undoand redo functionality,
automatic updater, which it tooka while.
(15:34):
Come on, let's get thattogether.
The online paddock steeringwheel profiles for the love of
God.
Thank you.
For the love of God, thank you.
And I have one more is a stagethree first time onboarding flow
functionality, okay.
Additional language support andvarious fixes.
That's what they have so far.
(15:55):
Um, they're saying that thingsmay change, it's not a hundred
percent, but um, yeah, that'sthat's about that's about it,
other than um NASCAR 25 is out.
And at the time of thisrecording, a set of corsa rally
has been released, and we'llwe'll cover that in a future
(16:18):
episode.
I really want to get my handson that first.
NASCAR.
I don't know.
I was like, Jeff, are yougetting NASCAR?
Because I'm not really a NASCARkind of guy, but you know,
we're we're speculating.
It it it it looks like aconsole game, you know, it
drives like a console game fromfrom what I've seen.
What are your just lightthoughts on it, Jeff?
(16:39):
Real quick.
Jeff (16:40):
Yeah, I heard, you know, it's tough because there's a
full spectrum of responses fromthe community, with you know,
being at the time recording,like out for 48 hours.
Um, some people really likedit.
Some people called it theSimKid, others, you know, said
it had issues um mapping andreading uh wheel inputs from
certain manufacturers.
(17:01):
So uh, yeah, let's give it afair shake, let it sit out
there, you know, marinate on theon the on the market for you
know a week or so and let youknow kind of people figure it
out and we'll kind of I guess gofrom there.
Um, but like you, Jason, not aNAS guy per se.
Um so I I I I don't know.
It we'll see.
Jason (17:20):
It's it's it's cool, right?
It's cool to have a careerNASCAR thing.
I don't know.
I'm trying to wait for a sale.
If not, I'll probably just pickit up.
I don't know, maybe we'll see.
I'll let you know.
But I'm gonna get right intothe main discussion now.
Jeff (17:37):
Let's get in.
Jason (17:38):
Uh Black Friday deal.
That's it, man.
Black Friday's here, the startof Black Friday.
Officially, the 14th is when alot of them are gearing up for
for this event.
And I'm just gonna keep itshort and sweet here.
We're gonna start withTrackRacer.
I'm going to share my screen,and we're gonna go to
(17:58):
TrackRacers website, which hasthe what is this?
Okay, um, they have their sale.
There it is.
15% off.
Says 15% off everythingthroughout November.
So Track Racer has kicked offone of the strongest rig promos,
(18:21):
about 15% off their simulator,seats, monitors, balance, and
accessories for the whole monthof November.
Yeah.
So if you guys are eyeing a rigor a seat or monitor mount, I
don't see the need to gothrough.
Just know that everything has a15% off.
Okay.
So for the next, for the next,um, for the next go is some
(18:44):
exciting news as Jeff sharedearlier, as we all touch based
earlier with was SimLab.
And Simlab now has a it used tobe a sim-lab.eu, but now we
actually have a simlab.us andit's brand new, and you get an
11% discount um on their stuffsite-wide.
(19:07):
So we are not going tosugarcoat this, but Jeff checked
earlier for the website, andthere doesn't seem to be
anything in stock just yet.
This could be a websiteinventory problem that they're
trying to resolve.
I'm pretty sure that they'regonna want to have this up,
(19:29):
right, for Black Friday, so thatway people can do their
shopping.
So I I'm very I'm verydisappointed and I'm very
excited at the same time becausethis is something that we both
wanted, and it's not just forHawaii, it's for everybody.
All all US patrons, all UScitizens that live in the United
States, um can now have anotheroption, which is, in my
(19:54):
opinion, these are my preferredchoice of rigs, and so is and so
and Jeff followed suit.
Um and Jeff has some plans toowith SimLab.
If you want to share those realquick, bud.
Jeff (20:05):
Yeah, I'm looking to pick up uh I have the P the Evo rig,
and I am trying to put togethera much more basic rig.
Um, it's uh I've been you know,I've been I've been you know
telling the the listeners thatuh I've been flying a bunch, and
it's just a huge pain in theass, and it's becoming almost
impossible to go back and forth.
Um, I have to take off mywheel.
(20:27):
I have this little like adapterI need to put on and put a
stick on there.
So what I'm trying to do isfind a uh another rig that I can
build and have my pedals on, mythrottle and stick, and just
put them basically next to eachother, or you know, as I'm
moving to a house that's alittle bigger than the one here
in Hawaii, I'll have a littlebit more room.
So I'll have two separate rigs.
(20:48):
It'll all be running off thesame PC, but this is a perfect
opportunity for me, and timingcouldn't have been any better.
Um, that SimLab is a having aUS-based um warehouse and some
decent sales.
But yeah, it's just kind ofdisappointing that there's very
limited stock on the website.
Looks like you maybe have foundone there that they have.
(21:11):
But yeah, it's very limited.
Yeah, I think like from myperspective, like if you're
gonna drop this onto oh, theythey added it, Jeff.
Jason (21:21):
They did, okay.
Uh the GT1 evil.
Jeff (21:24):
Oh, they did.
I was in here earlier today,and it was and a lot of people
were saying that they couldn'tget it.
So that's great.
That's good.
Maybe they fixed it.
Jason (21:32):
By the time you're watching this, it it it it's
it's probably being uploaded aswe speak, you know, because you
can select without a seat, andthere you go, 674.
Yeah, it had sold out a couplehours ago.
This will be this will beperfect for you, bro.
Yeah, 100% for for a flight VR,I would go a triple wide, um,
(21:56):
modest triple wide, doesn't haveto be the craziest top of the
line, and just strap a VRheadset there, put the PC right
dead smack in the middle of themand share ports.
That's what I would do.
Jeff (22:08):
That's the plan.
Jason (22:09):
Um, but yeah, SimLab, congrats, SimLab, for bringing
it to the US.
That's the best move you couldpossibly do.
You get away with uh notariffs.
You can have people will buymore because it's available here
locally.
Um we have ASR, but that's inCanada, so we have to pay duties
(22:30):
and and and it it doesn't itdoesn't make sense anymore uh to
buy from them.
Um but, anyways, next up on thelist is uh Six Sigma, and these
are the usual suspects of everyyear they have uh sales, right?
Um here we go.
Here's their website righthere.
They do.
(22:52):
They do.
The problem is that they're uhthey're overseas, I think.
Um but here's their BlackFriday sales, you know.
It it ranges.
They also have Moza gear,acetate gear.
Look, they have um R5 on, yeah.
All this they even have thatnew um MH16 flight stick, Jeff.
(23:15):
Uh no, no.
For decent little discounts.
Yeah, yeah, I know.
He's like, don't tell me nomore, dude.
Um, just built a new PC too.
Yeah, you you're you're you'reballing out there, son.
Jeff (23:30):
Hang on, we got Christmas coming up and traveling, and
yeah, we gotta cool off a littlebit.
Jason (23:36):
Just just chill, just chill, yeah.
So we're gonna share also.
Um, I think uh Moza Racing, Ithink this is their website
here, and no, excuse me.
Well, I'll skip over to Apex.
So Apex is your guide to umbasically they sell hardware,
(23:57):
they sell wheelbases andeverything, but there's a
countdown right here.
And at the time of thisrecording, this is live, a live
countdown.
So by the time you guys uhwatch this episode, it should be
live.
So I got one more to share umfor early access, I guess.
(24:18):
Um I hope this is I hope thisis the right.
No, that's Six Sigma.
Thought I had the website uphere.
Sorry guys.
Jeff (24:27):
I'll skip over to um and I think we'll be hearing more as
they come along because Iremember, you know, last year we
did it, you know, even um likeuh Micro Center had some
packages that were like smokingdeals when it came with a rig,
pedals, um, direct drive baseand a wheel, you know,
everything you really need to doto get into it that was pretty
(24:48):
spot on.
Jason (24:49):
Yeah, yeah, 100%.
I mean, the see the the choicesnow are just insane, bro.
It's like you can go all kindsof routes now, and we're gonna
try to help you navigate throughas we go.
We'll we'll go over and we'lllook at the best deals.
Um, if we could time it right,because that's that's the
(25:09):
challenge with the podcast istiming everything right.
That's how come we delayed thisthis very episode was delayed
on purpose, and it doesn'tmatter how much I delay it, I'm
looking at, oh, we're gonnaannounce this.
Oh, we have a clock timer, atimer that I didn't know about.
Um, but anyways, so Fanatech,right now, Fanatech does not
(25:31):
have sales live yet, but they dohave sales, but they're just
not calling them Black Fridaysales for for whatever reason.
I just want to be clear here.
And the reason why I couldn'tfind the Mozilla link is because
I don't have a Mozilla linkbecause Mosa has officially
announced its 2025 Black Fridaysale with about 29% off selected
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products.
Their sale kicks off onNovember 14th, and it, you know,
they mentioned discounts oneverything wheels, uh bases,
bundles, you name it.
So again, uh limitations ofthis media style recording.
Um November 14th seems to bethe day where it was decided
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And with that, guys, thatcovers the segment for basically
for Black Friday.
And I have some tips for you.
So if you guys are shopping,just make sure you have a
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priorities, right?
Right, make sure you have yourpriorities straight, make sure
you know, you know, if ifthere's a there's a ladder to
this.
And step one on the ladder isthe rig chassis, step two on the
ladder is your wheelbase, andthen step three is your pedals.
Actually, step three, step twoand three are kind of like at
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the same time.
But before you buy anything, itstarts with the chassis, bro.
It starts there.
That's where that's where umall your upgrades are gonna be
installed.
And if if you ask me, I wouldget the best one that you could
possibly get because in thefuture, again, like I don't see
(27:46):
myself ever getting rid of thisSimLab, you know, P1X.
I I don't see myself ever doingthat because it's built to
last.
Um, Jeff's Evo is built tolast, you know what I mean?
It's it's all good to go.
So check the return policy andthe region.
Some of these distributors, youknow, it it depends.
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It could be region locked, itcould be some shipping, now
duties, now tariffs, and VAT,and it can just completely uh
erase your discount, you know.
Basically, that's that's that'sa pain in the ass, but you
know, it kind of is what it iswith today's world.
Yeah, that's what we're livingthrough right now.
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Um I think that's about it.
Just you know, just keep on thelookout.
November 14th through December2nd are the hot dates for Black
Friday, and those are the datesthat we're trying to work the
podcast around to give you tokeep you guys up to date.
We where we will be slightlylate, but I feel like Cyber
(28:54):
Monday, I feel like a lastminute deal sometimes happen and
they're even better.
You know, sometimes the earlydeals are not the best deals,
you know.
We'll see.
Remains to be seen.
And then I have one more topic,man.
And this is a topic that'sgonna, I'm gonna keep it short
and sweet.
And it is a topic that I'vebeen wanting to discuss for a
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long time.
Jeff (29:21):
There's there'll be a test at the end.
There, there is a test on thisbefore you go on iRacing.
We should make you take a teston this before you're should be,
right?
Jason (29:32):
Like a like a written test.
Jeff (29:33):
Yeah, so without further ado, Jason, go ahead.
Jason (29:37):
Okay, so guys, the meaning of racing flags, they're
almost they're pretty much thesame across the board.
Um, and I'm gonna go throughvery briefly, I'm gonna display
a graphic, I'm gonna let youguys look at it, and I'm going
to read some some some notesthat I I took so that way you
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know we're all good to go.
So let me just get this open ifI can if I can figure this
thing out.
Uh here we go.
Here we go.
So here's um flags and theirmeanings.
We'll start with the greenflag.
What does it mean?
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Track is clear.
Session or race start, excuseme, race start, restart, normal
racing conditions.
That means the race started,green flag.
The race had an incident andthey waved the green flag.
That means resume, fullthrottle, backup.
You know, you show it at thestart of the race after a safety
car or when hazard is clear.
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So the yellow flag, solidyellow, meaning caution, danger
ahead, slow down, no overtakingin that sector in some cases,
right?
Formula One specifically isvery strict on this.
So a single yellow hazard,single yellow stationary hazard
off the racing line is a minorincident.
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A single yellow waved is abigger hazard, be ready to slow
down significantly.
And a double yellow is a majorhazard, Marshall's on track, be
prepared to stop.
The red flag, which is theworst one when you're watching
Formula One or when you'reracing, is the session is put
down to a halt.
Everybody goes back in the pitlane.
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It's something happened.
Seriously, it's always it.
Jeff (31:28):
It's always your guy that's leading when the red flag
comes out.
I always feel like when the redflag comes out, the Mercedes is
always at front.
You're like, oh, we're gonnastart this all over again.
Yeah, but anyways, I'm sorry.
Continue.
Jason (31:42):
Yeah.
Restart.
No, okay, no, good.
You know, weather can be toodangerous, but that's rare these
days.
So the checker flag, everybodyloves the checker flag, it means
the end, you know, shown at thefinish time, or when the time
or lapse are complete.
The blue flag, which is this isthe one.
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This is the one it is the blueflag that I'm going to there's a
blue flag, uh, lean heavy on.
So the meaning of a blue flag,gentlemen, ladies, everyone
across every everybody, it meansa faster car is approaching to
lap you, and you need to letthem buy safely, right?
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So the variance, it can bestationary, faster car is coming
up behind, and the wave fastercar is very close.
Move aside soon.
However, here's where I havethe problem with the black with
the blue flag.
If if I have blue flags waving,and in the sim, they wave way
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before you know the car's eventhere.
And I'm on a straight line ofspeed, and you cannot keep up
with my pace, I will not put myfoot on the brake for you.
We are still racing, we arestill fighting for a
championship.
Now, if you roll up behind meand you're approaching and
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you're coming faster, as therule says, faster car, faster
car, that means I will give youthe space to move, to move over
and let you go.
I will lift to let you go.
But in order for me to lift tolet you go, you need to keep up.
You cannot be uh a car, threecar lengths behind me and and
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flash your lights and demand topass.
This was a major problem at theuh Monza event.
People sending us comments andeverything, and I'm like, dude,
if you you have to earn thatspot.
I don't I don't believe inthis.
You have to earn that spot.
You need to be, you need toapproach me, be at least the car
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length, at least the car lengthfor me to give it to you, be
for me to give you the space.
But if the delta's telling methat I'm pulling away from you,
and even with draft, becauseyou're behind me and you're
getting all the draft, I'm notgonna, I'm not gonna slow down
to let you go.
How do you feel about this,Jeff?
Jeff (34:24):
Same way.
So if I get a blue flag, youknow, it the first one, you
know, that letting you know thatthey're hey, there's somebody
faster than you behind you.
Um, okay.
I will keep an eye on the deltabecause like you said, some I
think they give it to you wayearly in eye racing.
Um, but they're gonna have to,like you said, uh maybe not a
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car length for me.
Um, and I'll tend to just getoff the racing line on a
straight, I try to do on astraightaway um or just take a
wider turn um to try to minimizemy time loss.
Um but yeah, like you can'texpect just because somebody's
you're getting the blue flag, orsomebody in front of you is
getting the blue flag that theyshould just jump immediately off
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the racing line and get off.
There needs to be someexpectation that you are in the
same zip code for me to lift orget off the racing line for you
to pass.
Jason (35:15):
Yeah, I mean, think about it this way.
If I was the blue flag chasingyou and the blue flags are
waving for you, and you got offthe racing line prematurely, I
lose speed.
Because now I have to chase youto get that draft back.
You see what I mean?
So I'm gonna hold steady.
But what I'm not gonna do,let's say I'm approaching a
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right-hand turn, right?
We're in a straight, right-handturn comes up.
If it wasn't blue flag, my caris in the middle.
It is not on the side becauseI'm in the defensive position.
I can't let you have thatinside so you can pass me.
But if I'm blue flagged, I willnot move the car towards the
middle.
I will keep it, I will keep iton the line and I will let
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enough space for you to creep byif you're faster.
If you're faster, I will notlift though.
I will not lift, I will notbreak.
So in the comments, I'm prettysure there's gonna be a few.
So I'm ready for you.
I'm ready.
Jeff (36:18):
It's always nice when you let the person go, or you know,
I try to do it if the persongives me, you know, goes out of
the way to get off the line.
You know, it's like, hey,buddy, thanks, you know, just to
say hey, you know, it nobodylikes doing it.
Yeah, you know, so you try toget the little, you know, tip of
the house.
We appreciate it.
Jason (36:33):
We were doing it all day.
We were doing it literally allday for 24 hours with GTPs.
We had GTPs on track, which issignificantly faster.
That that was part of thestress.
We had these GTPs that werepassing us every other lap
because the Monza is like smalland you we run into a lot of
traffic in between them.
So a blue flag will come up fora GTP.
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I'm getting out the way.
That's a GTP.
That there's no point ofstaying there.
But my own class, and there's ablue flag ringing, and he
can't, he doesn't have the speedto pass me.
That's where I have a problemwith slowing down my pace to
give you the spot.
That's not how this goes.
Um, you need you need to earnthat spot.
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Um now I need to be a goodracing steward and give you room
and let you pass when youattempt to pass.
If I'm swerving or blocking,then I'm in the wrong then at
that point.
Um, but yeah, so moving on,that that was kind of the
highlight of of this discussion.
I'll just move on real quick.
That was the rant.
So white flag means circuit,uh, meaning in circuit racing,
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slow vehicle head on track, uh,recovery truck or very slow car.
And in some instances, a wavingwhite flag can mean the final
lap, right?
So the final lap.
Or it could also mean a slowvehicle.
So red and striped flag,surface flag, right?
Means there's shit on the road,you know, uh slippery surface,
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debris, oil, gravel, or changinggrip conditions.
Jeff (38:07):
Uh that's i racing flag.
Jason (38:11):
Oh, yeah.
Jeff (38:12):
It's all the time.
Jason (38:13):
I love all the time.
All the time.
That's like every crew chief,yellow flag, debris on the
debris, yeah.
It's just all the time.
All the time.
So now black flag and blackflag is pretty, you know,
standard.
If you come into the pits, youyou know, uh immediately,
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disqualification or serious, youknow, a basically any really uh
how do you say this?
Major violation, speeding inthe pent lane, or not slowing
down for a time penalty in theiRacing's case.
Jeff (38:49):
Yeah, just an egregious violation of some type of safety
or protocol.
Jason (38:56):
Or disqualification.
Could be that too.
Could be straight updisqualified.
Um, the meatball flag, theorange flag, black flag with an
orange disc in the center.
Mechanical problem to the car.
You must pit and fix it.
Uh, and the black and whiteflag is um black and white split
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diagonally, and unsportsman's.
This is like Max Verstappen'sflag right here.
Yeah, I said it.
Uh, behavior warning, finalwarning before penalties.
Jeff (39:28):
Uh guilty.
It is what it is, you know.
It's not the first time.
Jason (39:34):
Yeah.
So then the blue, the blue flagwith orange and yellow diagonal
stripes, um, waved alongsideothers to indicate specific
situations.
I've personally I've never seenthis in sim racing.
And the safety car.
So you have the the safety caris like an ar it looks like an
orange flag, like a red, like anlike a yeah, it looks like an
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orange flag, I think.
The safety car.
Uh I've never seen it.
And that's about it.
Oh no, it's not orange.
My bad.
It's it's actually, I thinkit's white.
I'm not sure.
This graphic failed me.
But I've never, again, I'venever seen a safety car.
You know, we see the safety carin iRacing, but only to lead us
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out to the race.
Jeff (40:19):
Yeah, I feel like they don't do a safety car, but you
know, when we see it in F1, it'susually from a double yellow or
a some type of red flag, youknow, or those type of things.
Yeah, I don't see that theydon't give it its own flag,
right?
They declare it just a safetycar or sometimes virtual safety
car, etc.
Jason (40:42):
But yeah, that's that's the uh the end of my talking
points here for racing flags anduh it's you know, just make
make the best judgment, butdon't get on the microphone or
send people dirty messages whenyou can't keep up.
You know, if you can't keep up,I can't help you there.
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I can't that this is the thementality of it's my race and my
track.
And no, a racetrack is shared,and everybody out there has a
place on this track, regardlessof what happened to you,
regardless of the situation.
But, you know, respectfully,spots need to be earned, you
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know.
I in our racing league that werace in, the GRL, those rules
are very specific, they're verydifferent rules, but there's no
penalty in iracing for blueflag.
There isn't, it's just awarning flag.
Jeff (41:36):
So interesting.
Jason (41:38):
There we go.
That's that's yeah, that's whatI have um this week.
Uh I'll hand it over to you,Bo.
Jeff (41:46):
No, yeah, interesting thing.
It's always like it's alwayscontentious the blue flag, and
it people are gonna be people.
So all right, so mine is moreof a discussion here, Jason,
because uh, you know, peoplewhere we have discussions about
Black Friday, people are lookingfor new gear.
Um, and I found myself watchinga ton of YouTube reviews on
(42:10):
whatever products, right?
From whatever you're lookingfor, there's reviews out there.
Um but the all the ones thatI'm watching, they have a
statement, I guess is the bestway to put it, that hey, uh XYZ
manufacturer sent me this pieceof gear to use, you know, see
(42:33):
what it how it feels, and thengive a review for the purpose of
this review.
The purpose of the review,right?
Is um then they say that hey,they they don't get a say in
what I have to say or my reviewof the product, um, other than I
will give a review of theproduct.
Um and uh it just uh it doesn'tnecessarily sit well with me um
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uh because I feel like theremight be a conflict of interest
in trying to get an honestreview, and I'm just gonna be
blunt here, right?
I don't is if you are gettinggear, are you gonna be honest
about that gear for the review?
And I just feel like we need tobe a little bit more genuine
with the community.
(43:21):
I don't, you know, on are yougonna honestly are you gonna
give a good review, an honestreview?
Would you give a negativereview to a product that you got
for free, knowing thatobviously that manufacturer is
never gonna send you anotherpiece of gear to review because
of the the review gave it?
So I now watch the reviewknowing that I'm not gonna get a
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negative review.
I am basically, unless you showfacts with like, hey, we ran
benchmarks and here's the framesper second from software that
is, you know, you know, and youare straight across the board
with your um variables, when youstart talking about your
opinion and how things feel andperceived and things like that,
(44:04):
it's just hard to um I guess puta lot of weight in that
opinion.
And I just feel like the vastmajority of things on YouTube,
the reviews on YouTube are ofthis, and I don't have a
solution to these things on howwe as a community can get around
it.
But I I mean I've talked, Ithink I've explained my
(44:24):
frustrations with this, andsomething I see that the
community we need to kind offigure out and sort out.
Which what are your thoughts onthis, Jason, when it comes to
watching a review on YouTube,and it's like, hey, you know,
XYZ company sent this, theydon't get to say what I they
don't get to say in my review,and you're like, come on, buddy.
Like they might not, but you'renot gonna give them a shitty
review.
Come on.
So I'm curious to hear what youhave to say about this from our
(44:47):
our industry.
Jason (44:49):
So uh, you know, as a new solo creator as well, because
I'm getting into that round twoon the side of the podcasting.
I had some discussions aboutthis during the live event,
which is crazy that youmentioned that.
Um and I have some thoughts,you know.
Uh first of all, the timing ofreviews.
(45:12):
There's reviews that there'sproducts, there's there's two
different categories.
Category number one, there'sthe YouTuber that's a big
YouTuber that gets sent productsthat are unreleased, and then
they have something called anembargo date.
And the reviews ready, made,good to go, and wrapped up, and
whatever they had to do with thewheel, send it back, or in some
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cases they keep the wheel, orin some cases they get it for a
massive discount to keep it.
See, my problem with those isthat sometimes things in the
manufacturing change, right?
From the point where they sentout pretest to the point where
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they sent out the final product.
That doesn't necessarily meanthat the final is going to be a
better product.
You know what I mean?
So there's number one.
Number two is those reviewcorrect.
And then there's exactly eventhe same quality, the same
materials.
You don't know, we don't knowthis.
I don't care.
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They'll probably come out.
Anybody will probably come outand say, Oh, our products trust
me, you can trust us, but youknow, can I really trust you?
You know what I mean?
Um, and I think the best way togo about this, uh, the Porsche
wheel that I'm that I purchasedthat I'm working on a review of,
there's literally 24 hours offootage of me using this wheel
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live on camera.
And those are the types ofreviews that I appreciate the
most because I can see hardwarein use.
I can appreciate that you're asim racer before anything else.
Because if you just made videosand I never see a race other
than some BS AI race, anybodycould do that, put their AI to
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like level one and you crushingthe competition, take a few
shots of you doing this anddoing that, and and that's it.
Rap.
Um, there's really no way forme to prove that that was that
that happened, that that wasreal.
So there's creators out therethat'll get on camera and test
things, you know, to mention afew.
(47:23):
Lawrence de Souza is livestreamer, he'll live stream with
brand new hardware, whether itworks, whether it doesn't work.
Um, Dan Suzuki, to name, justto name a few.
And I think that that's thebest way to go about it is to
excuse me, is to find somebodythat does both.
Because reviews can't be it,not everything is good.
(47:49):
You know what I mean?
If if every single review youput out and you say that this is
the best or this is awesome orthis is great, yes, you're gonna
appease the manufacturer, butyour credibility goes down.
And credibility is everythingto a creator, everything, even
to our show.
(48:09):
The Chicane Podcast credibilitymeans the world to me.
Because I want you guys totrust us.
I want you guys, or listeners,followers all over the world, I
want you guys to understand thatthe conversations that Jeff and
I have every week arelegitimate conversations.
You know, we have some talkingpoints for things like Black
(48:30):
Friday.
Okay, those need to be writtendown.
But this entire conversationfrom when it started just now is
all up here.
And I think those are the typesof creators that that I would
latch on to.
And when they make a review ofa product, then you have a just
a little bit more trust in thosepeople.
That's how I feel about it.
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You know, that there's there'sno real way to know, honestly.
There's no real way to know100%.
And I also agree, and really astrong believer in putting your
hands on the thing before youcan buy it if you have the
chance to do it, you know, andthat's how come we stress so
much about going to the exposwith an S.
(49:12):
Because there's many of themout there, and those give you
the idea the real experience,right?
Like, I want to try the belttensioner, you know.
We tried the belt tensioner, webought the belt tensioner, I
reviewed the belt tensioner,people bought the belt
tensioner, and they love it.
So, I mean, that's kind of howit should work, right?
Jeff (49:33):
Yeah, I'm gonna pile on pile on real quick to your the
expo point because you bring upa great point.
But I think another point to toreason to go to these expos is
you can meet a lot of thesecontent creators.
Um, like we I had theopportunity to meet Mikey from
the Sim Racing Den.
Um, when you interact withthem, you can kind of get a feel
for how authentic these peopleare, right?
(49:55):
Um, after talking with Mikeyand Mike and got to spend
basically weekend with him, youknow, I I know him as a person.
You know, he's just not a faceonline.
Like my level in trust of himand what he is he's saying on uh
on his reviews carries a lotmore weight now than I don't
want to say anybody else, but Ihave met I met him, you know.
(50:17):
I I you know had conversationswith him.
I feel like I got to you knowknow a little bit know who he is
as a person, you know.
Now he's just not a face onYouTube, you know, and I think
that's another thing that kindof maybe we don't articulate
enough about these expos is youget to meet people in the
industry and you know see alittle bit about them and you
know who they are as people andthings like that.
So I you brought up a greatpoint.
(50:38):
I just thought I just wanted topile on there.
Yeah.
Jason (50:41):
Yeah, 100%.
I mean, uh, we always praiseMichael on here for a reason.
Michael doesn't pay us a singledime, and I don't expect him
to.
It's just a creator that wetrust.
You know what I mean?
It's a creator that I trustedbefore I met Jeff, you know,
before Jeff got a rig.
I used to watch his videos umwhen I was buying something.
You know, there's othercreators out there, which I'm
(51:04):
not gonna mention their namebecause it's not in my place to
do that, but there's othercreators that will just bang out
videos, just back to back.
And that's how come you don'tsee any bank back-to-back videos
from Track Go Simracing.
It's because if I'm going toreview something, I'm going to
give you the reality facts.
And to answer your questionfrom before about the fear of
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somebody gave, for example, theysent me a product and I
straight up lied just to keepthem happy, I wouldn't be able
to live with myself.
Just knowing that people arespending money or time investing
on something that's false.
You know, that it just would bea terrible, horrific thing to
(51:52):
do.
You know, it'll be justterrible, terrible to do,
especially you know, with allthe competition now, you have
nothing but option out there,and things are getting harder to
compare now because they're sogood.
Everything is pretty damndecent, right?
When you buy something, and tofind those nitpicks to give you
(52:15):
perspective is a challenge todo.
Um, but that's how come Ibelieve personally, I believe in
the sim racer.
I believe that being a simracer should come first, and not
just saying that you're a simracer, not just looking into
that and telling you, hey, I'm asim racer and I do zero racing.
(52:38):
You see me, you don't ever seeme.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm just a a product commercialguy that just they send me a
shit ton of stuff.
I have no time for racing, andI'm reviewing products.
So how are you reviewing thisproducts?
You know, you can get in it,you can you can say whatever you
want to say, but nothing beatshard lap time with humans.
(53:02):
Period.
That that's just the way itgoes.
That's just the way it goes.
That's my opinion, though.
Everybody has an opinion.
Jeff has an opinion, everybodyhas an opinion, but this is my
professional opinion as acreator to to you know to
everybody.
If Thrustmaster sends me awheel and I put it on this rig,
(53:22):
I can't compare that wheel to asim Semicube 2 Pro, but I can
review it in its price range, ifthat makes sense.
I can review it for what it isand the package that you get,
you know, as a whole in itsprice range, and for who these
these wheels are for, or thistypes of products, or who are
(53:43):
they for?
You know what I'm saying?
There's a way, there's ways ofbeing fair, you know what I
mean, in comparison.
That's like comparing a Ferrarito uh to uh a Hyundai.
The Hyundai might be superreliable and a good car to bring
you to A and B.
It's not gonna smoke a Ferrariever in its life.
(54:05):
You know what I mean?
Jeff (54:06):
One would one's a great one to get into sim racing with,
the other one's, you know, yourend game sim racing.
Yeah, it just is uh it's justdifferent markets sit right with
me when you're when you'resitting here.
Oh, I'd love to see, you know,what this person thinks of this.
And they're like, well, theysent it to me for free, but you
know, I'll give you my reviewand they can't tell me what to
say.
And you're like, all right,well, okay, I'll take that worth
(54:29):
a grain of salt.
Now I appreciate everybodybeing open and honest about it,
but I am very curious, you know,some of our listeners, tell us
what you think about some ofthese reviews and what your um
what your thoughts are whenyou're watching a YouTube review
on whatever product you'relooking at, um, and they say
that they've received it forfree to give a review.
Uh, you know, tell us what youdo you trust them, or you know,
hey, like it's the best I got,so I go with it.
Or if you have a bettersolution to how we can get this
(54:53):
information that's hard, likewe're very niche community.
Um, you just can't go to BestBuy to test out a CimeCube 2,
you know, or uh a Sol Pec wheel.
Um back to the to the to the umto the expos.
But uh YouTube's a huge way Ire research gear that I'm
looking at.
Um, you know, it's hard to finda Pi Max super.
(55:16):
It's the only way.
Jason (55:17):
Um there's really no other way, you know.
Jeff (55:19):
VR headset, you know, that I you can't go to the store and
try one out.
So you're taking people's wordfor it.
It just is hard to put a lot offaith in something that
somebody got it for free.
Um, I see.
Jason (55:29):
Yeah.
Jeff (55:29):
Yeah.
So I it just is um, yeah, I'mjust curious to see what you
know.
If you're a listener and yougot some thoughts on this, drop
it in the comment.
We'd love to hear about it.
We'll comment back.
Um, but yeah, so that was mydiscussion point here.
I just it just is uh somethingthat I've been bothering me, not
bothering me, but just kind ofnitpicking at the back of my
head every time I watch reviewand somebody, I got it for free.
(55:51):
No, you're in the stage.
Jason (55:52):
So you're in the stage.
You build a brand new PC,you're trying to build a flight
sim, uh you're shopping for aheadset, and you're trying to
see what the differences are.
And we've done research on whatthe differences are, but still
you you still wanna you wannaknow as much as you can, right?
Because it it's a lot of money.
Jeff (56:11):
It's a lot of money that you're you're you're investing
in something that you can't holdin touch, and you're trusting
somebody to tell you straightup, straight no tracer about the
gear.
And they got it not in the mostas long as they're being
genuine about it, that they gotit review.
Okay.
Um, yeah, anyways, I don't Idon't know if we need to keep
piling on, but uh I mean I'lljust say one more thing is sure
(56:33):
uh always trust, always look atthe history of the manufacturer
and where they come from andwhat they stand for.
Jason (56:42):
And that's how I judge a good guess if something's gonna
be pretty decent, or something'sgonna be trash, you know, or
maybe they changed everythingand they become and they became
great.
But you know, always look atthe history and trust me,
there's subreddits uponsubreddits upon subreddits about
(57:05):
issues that you could find.
Uh that these guys are notpraising the good because they
don't get paid to praisenothing.
They they're there seekinghelp, you know what I mean?
So that's another way you canscounder the internet.
But again, um I believe in thesim racer, and I believe in the
sim racers that really race andreally push.
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Because when you give themgear, they actually use the
gear, you know, and that's howI'll end it.
But uh that's gonna be it forthis week, man.
Um, do you have any roundtables before we wrap it up
today?
Jeff (57:43):
No, man, I don't.
Jason (57:44):
Um, we're about almost an hour in.
Jeff (57:48):
I know.
Get uh get in the rig more thanI did this week.
I'll I'll promise to uh dobetter this upcoming week and uh
drive fast and break late,everybody.
Jason (57:59):
All right, Jeff.
Thank you so much again.
Uh, it did go by really fast,bro.
It did super fast, but uh yeah,we're counting down the days uh
to uh holiday seasonapproaching.
So my you know, we'll keep youup to date as time progresses.
Um and we'll probably end upmaking another Black Friday
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episode, but this will be thestart of it.
So thank you so much.
Yeah, a little a littlesprinkle, you know, to get you
going to get the engines uhcooking.
So, anyways, guys, thank you somuch uh to all you viewers and
listeners out there.
If you have any questions ofanything that we spoke about,
drop a comment or send us anemail to shakeanepodcast at
(58:44):
gmail.com.
And with that, have a greatstart of your week.
Thank you.
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Hello, and welcome to theChicane Podcast, where we
(00:36):
discuss all things in the simracing world.
I'm your host, Jason Rivera,and I'm joined here by the
Almighty Jeff Smart.
The man, the myth, the legend.
The man that's on terminal.
The man that is.
Jeff (00:51):
Yeah, I it's not supposed to be at work.
Find some find myself at work.
But you know, it's kind of iswhat it is.
But uh yeah, buddy.
Good seeing you again.
Good seeing you again.
Um dude, I did not, you know,like there's a saying, like
always, bro.
Some days you're the nail, someuh some days you're the hammer.
Dude, I feel like I've been thenail for for for a solid week
(01:11):
now.
I just haven't got up muchracing, gotten in the rig much
this week.
Just you know, you know how itis.
Life, life in general.
I'm sure everybody knows.
Oh, okay, Scott.
Jason (01:19):
This week was a different week then.
I see.
Jeff (01:21):
Yeah, I mean, it just every week can't be every night,
you know, every every weekcan't be every night in the rig
driving.
You know, you gotresponsibilities with life, you
know.
Jason (01:30):
A hundred percent, man.
Jeff (01:31):
Husband, dad, whatever you got going on in your life.
So yeah, next week maybe it'llbe different.
Uh we shall see.
We shall see.
But we're coming down to likethe gritty time here, where it's
coming down to like a scarytime where we're gonna have to
like dismantle the rig and startthis journey.
I'm always here.
We will talk about that, getcloser.
Jason (01:51):
I mean that from the bottom of my heart.
I'm here, so if you need help,I have tools.
I you have a shit ton of tools,but they might get packed.
You know what I'm saying?
That's true, yeah.
Jeff (02:00):
All my shoulder, a shoulder to cry on.
Jason (02:02):
Yeah, I got some brand new stuff I've been begging to
try out, so no worries.
I'll be over there with myshiny, shiny.
Let's go.
Um, yeah.
Uh how about you?
That is that is a scary sight,you know.
That is a scary.
I don't I don't ever imaginetaking the shit apart.
Jeff (02:19):
Like I know, it's like I makes my screen fall.
Jason (02:22):
I don't even know where to begin.
Where do I begin?
So no, I had an excellent week.
Um, I know you were alluding tothat, so I'll just go ahead and
say it.
Uh, we had a 24-hour race, thatI'm still here and alive and
well.
Jeff (02:41):
I don't even know how it ended, so I'm anxious to hear
your debrief of how it went.
Jason (02:46):
Okay, so we had a great start to the race, which is
already off the wrong foot,right?
You already know that thatthat's when you can you lead
with that, yeah.
That's how we're leading,that's how we're going we're
going about this.
So we qualified, we qualifiedP16.
And the reason why is becausewe were late to the quality.
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We literally only did our ourour fastest driver.
Uh shout out to John, uh, theman from PR.
That's the man.
Uh he was able to get oneoutlap and a single push lap
after that.
And the tires weren't reallyall the way there.
So I think P16 was damn neargood enough for what it was.
(03:31):
Um, so then we start the race.
Jeff (03:33):
What is I don't mean to, you know, uh yeah, sure.
What does qualifying look likefor an event like that?
Is it like your standardofficial where it's two laps,
and you that's it?
Jason (03:44):
I think you get uh five minutes to quality.
Okay, but we were we werefreaking late, bro.
We were late.
You know, our our lap timeswere pretty damn consistent.
We were in the 47s, and when Ilooked up at the board, the
fastest were in the 46s, but thevery high 46s.
(04:04):
I think it was only like one ortwo drivers that were up there,
at least in our split.
And that was it, we were in thethird split, bro.
It was pretty damn high of asplit, um, which I'm proud of,
right?
Uh, anyway, so uh a lot ofproblems with the scheduling,
and we're working to fix that.
And I ended up doing like atriple stint, you know.
(04:27):
Um, I think uh John did atriple stint or almost a triple
stint, waking up at different.
Jeff (04:34):
How long is a triple stint?
Jason (04:35):
It's not that long, it's just that well, us each stint
was around 51 minutes, so you dothat three hours three times.
Yeah, we call a stint like justempty tank.
Technically, yeah, a tank ofgas.
So I burned three tanks of gas,and get this, I kept the same
set of tires on to try and makeup time for a reason.
(04:57):
So I'll get into that.
So we we uh um we started offgood.
We made it up to like John madeup like four places after he
started, so he did really goodat that, gave me the car, and I
was chasing down P got got toP11, then I was chasing P10.
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P10 was I I looked at thedeltas, I was killing him on
every corner.
And I took a sausage, bro.
You know how it is.
You know the bumps on the road,we call them sausage.
I took a sausage, it it rolledthe car literally like this, and
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she spun around.
She spun around, buddy, shespun around in a perfect angle
to hit the very rear, which iswhere the engine's at.
So I thought it was gonna becatastrophic.
I was like, I spun the card.
I got back on track, pulled itinto the pits, and I think it
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was up two minutes of damage.
I was like, okay, two minutesof damage.
That's not bad.
Yeah, that's not bad.
It's throw two tires on fueland it's kind of manageable,
kind of reset, yeah, kind ofreset and and wait it out
because these events are our uhwaiting game.
Uh you you do lap times, youkeep them consistent, but we're
we're waiting for things todevelop or for us to get a
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chance to catch people.
Even if you're like half atenth uh faster than the guy in
front of you, he could be 20seconds, but that can mean that
you're gonna see that car in anhour.
In an hour's time, you'll be onhis bumper.
Does that make sense in anevent like this?
That's you know, so it is thatmuch of a difference.
Yeah, yeah.
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It's like half a tenth.
Okay, next lap, half a tent.
It adds up, right?
Yeah, it keeps adding up andadding up and adding up.
And then when you you're like,oh shit, we're like 10 seconds
away, we're like five secondsaway.
Then you can actually see them.
You know, it's kind of likethat.
So I drove my ass off afterthat spin-off.
I felt really terrible aboutit.
And I made up for it.
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I did excellent.
I was I was busting down laptimes, consistent.
They were fast.
It was uh one o'clock in themorning.
Gave the car to the top shata,Neil.
I'm gonna have these guys, I'mgonna have this the team on the
show one day.
Just just just round them allup and just grill them with
questions or something.
But uh just to recap realquick, another uh another one of
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my drivers that I'm not gonnamention his name because I don't
want to put him on blastbecause I don't know what
happened.
I haven't got the fact to seewhat happened, but he got into a
nasty wreck, and I heard thatthe car had 20 minutes worth of
damage when I woke up in themorning.
(07:50):
So after that, it was kind oflike you know, but get this we
ended the race and we ended inP16, still managed to end up
where we started, uh, whichwasn't all all the way bad, but
um, we got like a minus one ouri rating for everything, which
was I'll take that man with a24-hour race.
(08:12):
I was fine with that.
Take my one I rating, take thataway.
Jeff (08:17):
So, like a solid one, huh?
So does if if what your co whatyour other drivers do affects
your rate, I rating too?
Jason (08:28):
No.
So okay, uh well, yes, the Irating as a team, yes, because
positional uh position appliesto everyone, but safety applies
to each individual driver.
So some of our drivers um gotpromoted.
One of them was a B and he gotpromoted to A.
Um cool.
Some of them didn't get as muchpoints, so it depends how well
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you do when you're driving thecar, but it but i rating is
calculated as from how youqualify to where you ended up
with, you know, how you finishedthe race.
So uh minus one, it means thatthe gate the sim was expecting
us to be way higher because wewere faster and it made sense,
(09:12):
you know what I mean?
But shit happens, you know whatI mean, and we're we're gearing
up for Daytona, so Daytona'scoming.
Jeff (09:20):
I'm sorry, I misunderstood.
You went up one I so youfinished where okay, I
understand now.
I'm sorry, I thought you uhsaid uh went down one in one
total in safety.
You went down in I rating.
I'm sorry, I misunderstood.
Jason (09:31):
Just I rating, literally, one point, one point was taken
from us, which is for all theshit that happened.
I was like, okay.
Um, but yeah, we're we'retrying to find.
I I mean, it's my dream to do arace with with no wrecks, no
incidents, no, I mean, incidentsare fine going off track.
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Um one of our guys had a blackflag, then on his, you know, he
got a black flag, but ittechnically wasn't his fault.
He he got handed the car with Idon't know, like something like
70 incidents, and them thingsrack up, man.
You know, after a while, thoseincidents in 24 hours, you're
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gonna have an off-track here andthere.
What if you have to avoid acar?
You know, it's a 1x, it's a 1x,or if you're going down a
straight and somebody hits youin the back, even if it's a
little bit 4x, you know, thosethings add up.
So you get 100 for the wholeentire group, and that's shared.
So if I gave the car to you andyou only had 10 incidents left,
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I gave it to you at 90.
You're gonna get a black flagif you somebody's gonna catch
it.
Yeah, somebody's gonna get it.
So, yeah, it was the top shata.
Yeah, we'll give that to him,and we gave him so much shit.
We gave it to him.
I bet you we were giving himshit all night.
And it was still fun, though.
It was still fun, but that wasMonza.
(11:01):
First time ever doing a 24Monza, and Daytona is gonna be a
first time ever for me.
And still, this year uh is thefirst year that I actually
learned Daytona.
I didn't know Daytona as atrack on a GT3, did not know it.
And I wasn't a fan of itlooking at it from the outside,
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which is blasphemy for a lot ofpeople, especially us Americans.
That's American Pride, Daytona,right?
Fair.
And I actually love the damntrack.
I freaking love it now.
It's it's one of my ifDaytona's racing right now on
the on the GTs, I will be there.
I will be there all day.
It's so much fun to race onthat track.
(11:44):
I love it.
Um, but anyways, guys, today wehave a lot to cover.
Um and not enough time to coverit, but I'm gonna do my best
here.
We're gonna do our best here.
We might have to have a parttwo of this, but Black Friday
deals are now live.
Right now, by the time you seethis, there might be more deals,
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you know.
And I'm gonna try and keep youguys up to date.
The Shicane podcast will do itsbest to feed you week by week
up until the event, right?
Um, but I need to get you goingfirst.
So, oh, this was uh sorry,Jeff.
That's fine.
I had I had this marked downfor Jeff.
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So go ahead, Jeff.
But what else we got this week,man?
Jeff (12:31):
Fair enough.
Yeah, so uh big news uh forthose SimRacers in the United
States.
Uh big announcement out ofSimLab today, which uh, you
know, Jason and I are big uh youknow um fans of SimLab.
Uh we don't get a nickel fromthem, but we believe that they
have a solid product.
But nonetheless, uh they haveannounced that they are opening
their US-based warehouse.
(12:52):
So big uh reason that we're abig fan of that is shipping
should be significantly cheaperfor those in the United States.
Um I wanted I was looking totry to get a floor.
Jason (13:03):
Um Bro, didn't you tell me let's buy this used rig for
500 bucks and you split it withme just to get profile?
That's how bad.
That's how bad we wantedprofile.
Sorry.
Jeff (13:16):
Yeah, it was a ton of it, but uh, anyways, yeah, so and it
was like the the floor and likethe uh you know, like the the
mat that a rig goes on, it justlooks nice with that simlab, and
then some odd num hardware,right?
And it was like $80, or I thinkit was like $120 in um for the
products, and it was like $130for shipping.
And it was like at that point,it it ain't happening.
(13:39):
Um, so this should hopefullyalleviate that.
Um, it might be you know stilla little steep for some of us,
you know, out here in Hawaii,but nonetheless, it should be a
lot cheaper than from Europe.
So that's good news.
Also, they have a they theyreleased, I think it was Jason,
uh 15% store wide for BlackFriday.
Um I'd have to take a lookagain, but it was it was a good
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one that they were pushing.
Jason (14:00):
Um, we're gonna get into that.
We're gonna get into BlackFriday deals 100%.
Jeff (14:05):
We'll get there.
Um, yeah, other than that, weuh what else is going on?
I there's there's a lot ofstuff, a lot of things going on,
Jason.
If you want to pile up.
Jason (14:14):
Yeah, I got I got the next one.
Simicube uh tuner three has anew roadmap um that they're I'm
gonna show you here real quick.
Um let me go ahead and share myscreen.
Alright, guys, so this is theum roadmap for Simicube.
(14:36):
I got the order all wrong, buthere it is.
The tuner software 3.0 visualredesign, uh telemetry effects
for simicube three, sim racingintegration, uh new sim support,
right?
So improved UX andcommunication between devices.
This is stage one.
This I am very excited for.
(14:59):
They seem to be investigatingsimicube 2 telemetry effects.
So if they're able to addtelemetry effects to my Simicube
2 Pro, what do you mean?
Jeff (15:12):
What do you mean by that?
Jason (15:13):
That's gonna weigh off a very, very hard decision on
whether I want to upgrade to thethree or not.
You know what I mean?
So anyway, stage two uh undoand redo functionality,
automatic updater, which it tooka while.
(15:34):
Come on, let's get thattogether.
The online paddock steeringwheel profiles for the love of
God.
Thank you.
For the love of God, thank you.
And I have one more is a stagethree first time onboarding flow
functionality, okay.
Additional language support andvarious fixes.
That's what they have so far.
(15:55):
Um, they're saying that thingsmay change, it's not a hundred
percent, but um, yeah, that'sthat's about that's about it,
other than um NASCAR 25 is out.
And at the time of thisrecording, a set of corsa rally
has been released, and we'llwe'll cover that in a future
(16:18):
episode.
I really want to get my handson that first.
NASCAR.
I don't know.
I was like, Jeff, are yougetting NASCAR?
Because I'm not really a NASCARkind of guy, but you know,
we're we're speculating.
It it it it looks like aconsole game, you know, it
drives like a console game fromfrom what I've seen.
What are your just lightthoughts on it, Jeff?
(16:39):
Real quick.
Jeff (16:40):
Yeah, I heard, you know, it's tough because there's a
full spectrum of responses fromthe community, with you know,
being at the time recording,like out for 48 hours.
Um, some people really likedit.
Some people called it theSimKid, others, you know, said
it had issues um mapping andreading uh wheel inputs from
certain manufacturers.
(17:01):
So uh, yeah, let's give it afair shake, let it sit out
there, you know, marinate on theon the on the market for you
know a week or so and let youknow kind of people figure it
out and we'll kind of I guess gofrom there.
Um, but like you, Jason, not aNAS guy per se.
Um so I I I I don't know.
It we'll see.
Jason (17:20):
It's it's it's cool, right?
It's cool to have a careerNASCAR thing.
I don't know.
I'm trying to wait for a sale.
If not, I'll probably just pickit up.
I don't know, maybe we'll see.
I'll let you know.
But I'm gonna get right intothe main discussion now.
Jeff (17:37):
Let's get in.
Jason (17:38):
Uh Black Friday deal.
That's it, man.
Black Friday's here, the startof Black Friday.
Officially, the 14th is when alot of them are gearing up for
for this event.
And I'm just gonna keep itshort and sweet here.
We're gonna start withTrackRacer.
I'm going to share my screen,and we're gonna go to
(17:58):
TrackRacers website, which hasthe what is this?
Okay, um, they have their sale.
There it is.
15% off.
Says 15% off everythingthroughout November.
So Track Racer has kicked offone of the strongest rig promos,
(18:21):
about 15% off their simulator,seats, monitors, balance, and
accessories for the whole monthof November.
Yeah.
So if you guys are eyeing a rigor a seat or monitor mount, I
don't see the need to gothrough.
Just know that everything has a15% off.
Okay.
So for the next, for the next,um, for the next go is some
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exciting news as Jeff sharedearlier, as we all touch based
earlier with was SimLab.
And Simlab now has a it used tobe a sim-lab.eu, but now we
actually have a simlab.us andit's brand new, and you get an
11% discount um on their stuffsite-wide.
(19:07):
So we are not going tosugarcoat this, but Jeff checked
earlier for the website, andthere doesn't seem to be
anything in stock just yet.
This could be a websiteinventory problem that they're
trying to resolve.
I'm pretty sure that they'regonna want to have this up,
(19:29):
right, for Black Friday, so thatway people can do their
shopping.
So I I'm very I'm verydisappointed and I'm very
excited at the same time becausethis is something that we both
wanted, and it's not just forHawaii, it's for everybody.
All all US patrons, all UScitizens that live in the United
States, um can now have anotheroption, which is, in my
(19:54):
opinion, these are my preferredchoice of rigs, and so is and so
and Jeff followed suit.
Um and Jeff has some plans toowith SimLab.
If you want to share those realquick, bud.
Jeff (20:05):
Yeah, I'm looking to pick up uh I have the P the Evo rig,
and I am trying to put togethera much more basic rig.
Um, it's uh I've been you know,I've been I've been you know
telling the the listeners thatuh I've been flying a bunch, and
it's just a huge pain in theass, and it's becoming almost
impossible to go back and forth.
Um, I have to take off mywheel.
(20:27):
I have this little like adapterI need to put on and put a
stick on there.
So what I'm trying to do isfind a uh another rig that I can
build and have my pedals on, mythrottle and stick, and just
put them basically next to eachother, or you know, as I'm
moving to a house that's alittle bigger than the one here
in Hawaii, I'll have a littlebit more room.
So I'll have two separate rigs.
(20:48):
It'll all be running off thesame PC, but this is a perfect
opportunity for me, and timingcouldn't have been any better.
Um, that SimLab is a having aUS-based um warehouse and some
decent sales.
But yeah, it's just kind ofdisappointing that there's very
limited stock on the website.
Looks like you maybe have foundone there that they have.
(21:11):
But yeah, it's very limited.
Yeah, I think like from myperspective, like if you're
gonna drop this onto oh, theythey added it, Jeff.
Jason (21:21):
They did, okay.
Uh the GT1 evil.
Jeff (21:24):
Oh, they did.
I was in here earlier today,and it was and a lot of people
were saying that they couldn'tget it.
So that's great.
That's good.
Maybe they fixed it.
Jason (21:32):
By the time you're watching this, it it it it's
it's probably being uploaded aswe speak, you know, because you
can select without a seat, andthere you go, 674.
Yeah, it had sold out a couplehours ago.
This will be this will beperfect for you, bro.
Yeah, 100% for for a flight VR,I would go a triple wide, um,
(21:56):
modest triple wide, doesn't haveto be the craziest top of the
line, and just strap a VRheadset there, put the PC right
dead smack in the middle of themand share ports.
That's what I would do.
Jeff (22:08):
That's the plan.
Jason (22:09):
Um, but yeah, SimLab, congrats, SimLab, for bringing
it to the US.
That's the best move you couldpossibly do.
You get away with uh notariffs.
You can have people will buymore because it's available here
locally.
Um we have ASR, but that's inCanada, so we have to pay duties
(22:30):
and and and it it doesn't itdoesn't make sense anymore uh to
buy from them.
Um but, anyways, next up on thelist is uh Six Sigma, and these
are the usual suspects of everyyear they have uh sales, right?
Um here we go.
Here's their website righthere.
They do.
(22:52):
They do.
The problem is that they're uhthey're overseas, I think.
Um but here's their BlackFriday sales, you know.
It it ranges.
They also have Moza gear,acetate gear.
Look, they have um R5 on, yeah.
All this they even have thatnew um MH16 flight stick, Jeff.
(23:15):
Uh no, no.
For decent little discounts.
Yeah, yeah, I know.
He's like, don't tell me nomore, dude.
Um, just built a new PC too.
Yeah, you you're you're you'reballing out there, son.
Jeff (23:30):
Hang on, we got Christmas coming up and traveling, and
yeah, we gotta cool off a littlebit.
Jason (23:36):
Just just chill, just chill, yeah.
So we're gonna share also.
Um, I think uh Moza Racing, Ithink this is their website
here, and no, excuse me.
Well, I'll skip over to Apex.
So Apex is your guide to umbasically they sell hardware,
(23:57):
they sell wheelbases andeverything, but there's a
countdown right here.
And at the time of thisrecording, this is live, a live
countdown.
So by the time you guys uhwatch this episode, it should be
live.
So I got one more to share umfor early access, I guess.
(24:18):
Um I hope this is I hope thisis the right.
No, that's Six Sigma.
Thought I had the website uphere.
Sorry guys.
Jeff (24:27):
I'll skip over to um and I think we'll be hearing more as
they come along because Iremember, you know, last year we
did it, you know, even um likeuh Micro Center had some
packages that were like smokingdeals when it came with a rig,
pedals, um, direct drive baseand a wheel, you know,
everything you really need to doto get into it that was pretty
(24:48):
spot on.
Jason (24:49):
Yeah, yeah, 100%.
I mean, the see the the choicesnow are just insane, bro.
It's like you can go all kindsof routes now, and we're gonna
try to help you navigate throughas we go.
We'll we'll go over and we'lllook at the best deals.
Um, if we could time it right,because that's that's the
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challenge with the podcast istiming everything right.
That's how come we delayed thisthis very episode was delayed
on purpose, and it doesn'tmatter how much I delay it, I'm
looking at, oh, we're gonnaannounce this.
Oh, we have a clock timer, atimer that I didn't know about.
Um, but anyways, so Fanatech,right now, Fanatech does not
(25:31):
have sales live yet, but they dohave sales, but they're just
not calling them Black Fridaysales for for whatever reason.
I just want to be clear here.
And the reason why I couldn'tfind the Mozilla link is because
I don't have a Mozilla linkbecause Mosa has officially
announced its 2025 Black Fridaysale with about 29% off selected
(25:54):
products.
Their sale kicks off onNovember 14th, and it, you know,
they mentioned discounts oneverything wheels, uh bases,
bundles, you name it.
So again, uh limitations ofthis media style recording.
Um November 14th seems to bethe day where it was decided
(26:17):
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And with that, guys, thatcovers the segment for basically
for Black Friday.
And I have some tips for you.
So if you guys are shopping,just make sure you have a
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priorities, right?
Right, make sure you have yourpriorities straight, make sure
you know, you know, if ifthere's a there's a ladder to
this.
And step one on the ladder isthe rig chassis, step two on the
ladder is your wheelbase, andthen step three is your pedals.
Actually, step three, step twoand three are kind of like at
(27:24):
the same time.
But before you buy anything, itstarts with the chassis, bro.
It starts there.
That's where that's where umall your upgrades are gonna be
installed.
And if if you ask me, I wouldget the best one that you could
possibly get because in thefuture, again, like I don't see
(27:46):
myself ever getting rid of thisSimLab, you know, P1X.
I I don't see myself ever doingthat because it's built to
last.
Um, Jeff's Evo is built tolast, you know what I mean?
It's it's all good to go.
So check the return policy andthe region.
Some of these distributors, youknow, it it depends.
(28:08):
It could be region locked, itcould be some shipping, now
duties, now tariffs, and VAT,and it can just completely uh
erase your discount, you know.
Basically, that's that's that'sa pain in the ass, but you
know, it kind of is what it iswith today's world.
Yeah, that's what we're livingthrough right now.
(28:31):
Um I think that's about it.
Just you know, just keep on thelookout.
November 14th through December2nd are the hot dates for Black
Friday, and those are the datesthat we're trying to work the
podcast around to give you tokeep you guys up to date.
We where we will be slightlylate, but I feel like Cyber
(28:54):
Monday, I feel like a lastminute deal sometimes happen and
they're even better.
You know, sometimes the earlydeals are not the best deals,
you know.
We'll see.
Remains to be seen.
And then I have one more topic,man.
And this is a topic that'sgonna, I'm gonna keep it short
and sweet.
And it is a topic that I'vebeen wanting to discuss for a
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long time.
Jeff (29:21):
There's there'll be a test at the end.
There, there is a test on thisbefore you go on iRacing.
We should make you take a teston this before you're should be,
right?
Jason (29:32):
Like a like a written test.
Jeff (29:33):
Yeah, so without further ado, Jason, go ahead.
Jason (29:37):
Okay, so guys, the meaning of racing flags, they're
almost they're pretty much thesame across the board.
Um, and I'm gonna go throughvery briefly, I'm gonna display
a graphic, I'm gonna let youguys look at it, and I'm going
to read some some some notesthat I I took so that way you
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know we're all good to go.
So let me just get this open ifI can if I can figure this
thing out.
Uh here we go.
Here we go.
So here's um flags and theirmeanings.
We'll start with the greenflag.
What does it mean?
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Track is clear.
Session or race start, excuseme, race start, restart, normal
racing conditions.
That means the race started,green flag.
The race had an incident andthey waved the green flag.
That means resume, fullthrottle, backup.
You know, you show it at thestart of the race after a safety
car or when hazard is clear.
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So the yellow flag, solidyellow, meaning caution, danger
ahead, slow down, no overtakingin that sector in some cases,
right?
Formula One specifically isvery strict on this.
So a single yellow hazard,single yellow stationary hazard
off the racing line is a minorincident.
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A single yellow waved is abigger hazard, be ready to slow
down significantly.
And a double yellow is a majorhazard, Marshall's on track, be
prepared to stop.
The red flag, which is theworst one when you're watching
Formula One or when you'reracing, is the session is put
down to a halt.
Everybody goes back in the pitlane.
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It's something happened.
Seriously, it's always it.
Jeff (31:28):
It's always your guy that's leading when the red flag
comes out.
I always feel like when the redflag comes out, the Mercedes is
always at front.
You're like, oh, we're gonnastart this all over again.
Yeah, but anyways, I'm sorry.
Continue.
Jason (31:42):
Yeah.
Restart.
No, okay, no, good.
You know, weather can be toodangerous, but that's rare these
days.
So the checker flag, everybodyloves the checker flag, it means
the end, you know, shown at thefinish time, or when the time
or lapse are complete.
The blue flag, which is this isthe one.
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This is the one it is the blueflag that I'm going to there's a
blue flag, uh, lean heavy on.
So the meaning of a blue flag,gentlemen, ladies, everyone
across every everybody, it meansa faster car is approaching to
lap you, and you need to letthem buy safely, right?
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So the variance, it can bestationary, faster car is coming
up behind, and the wave fastercar is very close.
Move aside soon.
However, here's where I havethe problem with the black with
the blue flag.
If if I have blue flags waving,and in the sim, they wave way
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before you know the car's eventhere.
And I'm on a straight line ofspeed, and you cannot keep up
with my pace, I will not put myfoot on the brake for you.
We are still racing, we arestill fighting for a
championship.
Now, if you roll up behind meand you're approaching and
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you're coming faster, as therule says, faster car, faster
car, that means I will give youthe space to move, to move over
and let you go.
I will lift to let you go.
But in order for me to lift tolet you go, you need to keep up.
You cannot be uh a car, threecar lengths behind me and and
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flash your lights and demand topass.
This was a major problem at theuh Monza event.
People sending us comments andeverything, and I'm like, dude,
if you you have to earn thatspot.
I don't I don't believe inthis.
You have to earn that spot.
You need to be, you need toapproach me, be at least the car
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length, at least the car lengthfor me to give it to you, be
for me to give you the space.
But if the delta's telling methat I'm pulling away from you,
and even with draft, becauseyou're behind me and you're
getting all the draft, I'm notgonna, I'm not gonna slow down
to let you go.
How do you feel about this,Jeff?
Jeff (34:24):
Same way.
So if I get a blue flag, youknow, it the first one, you
know, that letting you know thatthey're hey, there's somebody
faster than you behind you.
Um, okay.
I will keep an eye on the deltabecause like you said, some I
think they give it to you wayearly in eye racing.
Um, but they're gonna have to,like you said, uh maybe not a
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car length for me.
Um, and I'll tend to just getoff the racing line on a
straight, I try to do on astraightaway um or just take a
wider turn um to try to minimizemy time loss.
Um but yeah, like you can'texpect just because somebody's
you're getting the blue flag, orsomebody in front of you is
getting the blue flag that theyshould just jump immediately off
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the racing line and get off.
There needs to be someexpectation that you are in the
same zip code for me to lift orget off the racing line for you
to pass.
Jason (35:15):
Yeah, I mean, think about it this way.
If I was the blue flag chasingyou and the blue flags are
waving for you, and you got offthe racing line prematurely, I
lose speed.
Because now I have to chase youto get that draft back.
You see what I mean?
So I'm gonna hold steady.
But what I'm not gonna do,let's say I'm approaching a
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right-hand turn, right?
We're in a straight, right-handturn comes up.
If it wasn't blue flag, my caris in the middle.
It is not on the side becauseI'm in the defensive position.
I can't let you have thatinside so you can pass me.
But if I'm blue flagged, I willnot move the car towards the
middle.
I will keep it, I will keep iton the line and I will let
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enough space for you to creep byif you're faster.
If you're faster, I will notlift though.
I will not lift, I will notbreak.
So in the comments, I'm prettysure there's gonna be a few.
So I'm ready for you.
I'm ready.
Jeff (36:18):
It's always nice when you let the person go, or you know,
I try to do it if the persongives me, you know, goes out of
the way to get off the line.
You know, it's like, hey,buddy, thanks, you know, just to
say hey, you know, it nobodylikes doing it.
Yeah, you know, so you try toget the little, you know, tip of
the house.
We appreciate it.
Jason (36:33):
We were doing it all day.
We were doing it literally allday for 24 hours with GTPs.
We had GTPs on track, which issignificantly faster.
That that was part of thestress.
We had these GTPs that werepassing us every other lap
because the Monza is like smalland you we run into a lot of
traffic in between them.
So a blue flag will come up fora GTP.
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I'm getting out the way.
That's a GTP.
That there's no point ofstaying there.
But my own class, and there's ablue flag ringing, and he
can't, he doesn't have the speedto pass me.
That's where I have a problemwith slowing down my pace to
give you the spot.
That's not how this goes.
Um, you need you need to earnthat spot.
(37:17):
Um now I need to be a goodracing steward and give you room
and let you pass when youattempt to pass.
If I'm swerving or blocking,then I'm in the wrong then at
that point.
Um, but yeah, so moving on,that that was kind of the
highlight of of this discussion.
I'll just move on real quick.
That was the rant.
So white flag means circuit,uh, meaning in circuit racing,
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slow vehicle head on track, uh,recovery truck or very slow car.
And in some instances, a wavingwhite flag can mean the final
lap, right?
So the final lap.
Or it could also mean a slowvehicle.
So red and striped flag,surface flag, right?
Means there's shit on the road,you know, uh slippery surface,
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debris, oil, gravel, or changinggrip conditions.
Jeff (38:07):
Uh that's i racing flag.
Jason (38:11):
Oh, yeah.
Jeff (38:12):
It's all the time.
Jason (38:13):
I love all the time.
All the time.
That's like every crew chief,yellow flag, debris on the
debris, yeah.
It's just all the time.
All the time.
So now black flag and blackflag is pretty, you know,
standard.
If you come into the pits, youyou know, uh immediately,
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disqualification or serious, youknow, a basically any really uh
how do you say this?
Major violation, speeding inthe pent lane, or not slowing
down for a time penalty in theiRacing's case.
Jeff (38:49):
Yeah, just an egregious violation of some type of safety
or protocol.
Jason (38:56):
Or disqualification.
Could be that too.
Could be straight updisqualified.
Um, the meatball flag, theorange flag, black flag with an
orange disc in the center.
Mechanical problem to the car.
You must pit and fix it.
Uh, and the black and whiteflag is um black and white split
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diagonally, and unsportsman's.
This is like Max Verstappen'sflag right here.
Yeah, I said it.
Uh, behavior warning, finalwarning before penalties.
Jeff (39:28):
Uh guilty.
It is what it is, you know.
It's not the first time.
Jason (39:34):
Yeah.
So then the blue, the blue flagwith orange and yellow diagonal
stripes, um, waved alongsideothers to indicate specific
situations.
I've personally I've never seenthis in sim racing.
And the safety car.
So you have the the safety caris like an ar it looks like an
orange flag, like a red, like anlike a yeah, it looks like an
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orange flag, I think.
The safety car.
Uh I've never seen it.
And that's about it.
Oh no, it's not orange.
My bad.
It's it's actually, I thinkit's white.
I'm not sure.
This graphic failed me.
But I've never, again, I'venever seen a safety car.
You know, we see the safety carin iRacing, but only to lead us
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out to the race.
Jeff (40:19):
Yeah, I feel like they don't do a safety car, but you
know, when we see it in F1, it'susually from a double yellow or
a some type of red flag, youknow, or those type of things.
Yeah, I don't see that theydon't give it its own flag,
right?
They declare it just a safetycar or sometimes virtual safety
car, etc.
Jason (40:42):
But yeah, that's that's the uh the end of my talking
points here for racing flags anduh it's you know, just make
make the best judgment, butdon't get on the microphone or
send people dirty messages whenyou can't keep up.
You know, if you can't keep up,I can't help you there.
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I can't that this is the thementality of it's my race and my
track.
And no, a racetrack is shared,and everybody out there has a
place on this track, regardlessof what happened to you,
regardless of the situation.
But, you know, respectfully,spots need to be earned, you
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know.
I in our racing league that werace in, the GRL, those rules
are very specific, they're verydifferent rules, but there's no
penalty in iracing for blueflag.
There isn't, it's just awarning flag.
Jeff (41:36):
So interesting.
Jason (41:38):
There we go.
That's that's yeah, that's whatI have um this week.
Uh I'll hand it over to you,Bo.
Jeff (41:46):
No, yeah, interesting thing.
It's always like it's alwayscontentious the blue flag, and
it people are gonna be people.
So all right, so mine is moreof a discussion here, Jason,
because uh, you know, peoplewhere we have discussions about
Black Friday, people are lookingfor new gear.
Um, and I found myself watchinga ton of YouTube reviews on
(42:10):
whatever products, right?
From whatever you're lookingfor, there's reviews out there.
Um but the all the ones thatI'm watching, they have a
statement, I guess is the bestway to put it, that hey, uh XYZ
manufacturer sent me this pieceof gear to use, you know, see
(42:33):
what it how it feels, and thengive a review for the purpose of
this review.
The purpose of the review,right?
Is um then they say that hey,they they don't get a say in
what I have to say or my reviewof the product, um, other than I
will give a review of theproduct.
Um and uh it just uh it doesn'tnecessarily sit well with me um
(43:00):
uh because I feel like theremight be a conflict of interest
in trying to get an honestreview, and I'm just gonna be
blunt here, right?
I don't is if you are gettinggear, are you gonna be honest
about that gear for the review?
And I just feel like we need tobe a little bit more genuine
with the community.
(43:21):
I don't, you know, on are yougonna honestly are you gonna
give a good review, an honestreview?
Would you give a negativereview to a product that you got
for free, knowing thatobviously that manufacturer is
never gonna send you anotherpiece of gear to review because
of the the review gave it?
So I now watch the reviewknowing that I'm not gonna get a
(43:43):
negative review.
I am basically, unless you showfacts with like, hey, we ran
benchmarks and here's the framesper second from software that
is, you know, you know, and youare straight across the board
with your um variables, when youstart talking about your
opinion and how things feel andperceived and things like that,
(44:04):
it's just hard to um I guess puta lot of weight in that
opinion.
And I just feel like the vastmajority of things on YouTube,
the reviews on YouTube are ofthis, and I don't have a
solution to these things on howwe as a community can get around
it.
But I I mean I've talked, Ithink I've explained my
(44:24):
frustrations with this, andsomething I see that the
community we need to kind offigure out and sort out.
Which what are your thoughts onthis, Jason, when it comes to
watching a review on YouTube,and it's like, hey, you know,
XYZ company sent this, theydon't get to say what I they
don't get to say in my review,and you're like, come on, buddy.
Like they might not, but you'renot gonna give them a shitty
review.
Come on.
So I'm curious to hear what youhave to say about this from our
(44:47):
our industry.
Jason (44:49):
So uh, you know, as a new solo creator as well, because
I'm getting into that round twoon the side of the podcasting.
I had some discussions aboutthis during the live event,
which is crazy that youmentioned that.
Um and I have some thoughts,you know.
Uh first of all, the timing ofreviews.
(45:12):
There's reviews that there'sproducts, there's there's two
different categories.
Category number one, there'sthe YouTuber that's a big
YouTuber that gets sent productsthat are unreleased, and then
they have something called anembargo date.
And the reviews ready, made,good to go, and wrapped up, and
whatever they had to do with thewheel, send it back, or in some
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cases they keep the wheel, orin some cases they get it for a
massive discount to keep it.
See, my problem with those isthat sometimes things in the
manufacturing change, right?
From the point where they sentout pretest to the point where
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they sent out the final product.
That doesn't necessarily meanthat the final is going to be a
better product.
You know what I mean?
So there's number one.
Number two is those reviewcorrect.
And then there's exactly eventhe same quality, the same
materials.
You don't know, we don't knowthis.
I don't care.
(46:16):
They'll probably come out.
Anybody will probably come outand say, Oh, our products trust
me, you can trust us, but youknow, can I really trust you?
You know what I mean?
Um, and I think the best way togo about this, uh, the Porsche
wheel that I'm that I purchasedthat I'm working on a review of,
there's literally 24 hours offootage of me using this wheel
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live on camera.
And those are the types ofreviews that I appreciate the
most because I can see hardwarein use.
I can appreciate that you're asim racer before anything else.
Because if you just made videosand I never see a race other
than some BS AI race, anybodycould do that, put their AI to
(47:01):
like level one and you crushingthe competition, take a few
shots of you doing this anddoing that, and and that's it.
Rap.
Um, there's really no way forme to prove that that was that
that happened, that that wasreal.
So there's creators out therethat'll get on camera and test
things, you know, to mention afew.
(47:23):
Lawrence de Souza is livestreamer, he'll live stream with
brand new hardware, whether itworks, whether it doesn't work.
Um, Dan Suzuki, to name, justto name a few.
And I think that that's thebest way to go about it is to
excuse me, is to find somebodythat does both.
Because reviews can't be it,not everything is good.
(47:49):
You know what I mean?
If if every single review youput out and you say that this is
the best or this is awesome orthis is great, yes, you're gonna
appease the manufacturer, butyour credibility goes down.
And credibility is everythingto a creator, everything, even
to our show.
(48:09):
The Chicane Podcast credibilitymeans the world to me.
Because I want you guys totrust us.
I want you guys, or listeners,followers all over the world, I
want you guys to understand thatthe conversations that Jeff and
I have every week arelegitimate conversations.
You know, we have some talkingpoints for things like Black
(48:30):
Friday.
Okay, those need to be writtendown.
But this entire conversationfrom when it started just now is
all up here.
And I think those are the typesof creators that that I would
latch on to.
And when they make a review ofa product, then you have a just
a little bit more trust in thosepeople.
That's how I feel about it.
(48:51):
You know, that there's there'sno real way to know, honestly.
There's no real way to know100%.
And I also agree, and really astrong believer in putting your
hands on the thing before youcan buy it if you have the
chance to do it, you know, andthat's how come we stress so
much about going to the exposwith an S.
(49:12):
Because there's many of themout there, and those give you
the idea the real experience,right?
Like, I want to try the belttensioner, you know.
We tried the belt tensioner, webought the belt tensioner, I
reviewed the belt tensioner,people bought the belt
tensioner, and they love it.
So, I mean, that's kind of howit should work, right?
Jeff (49:33):
Yeah, I'm gonna pile on pile on real quick to your the
expo point because you bring upa great point.
But I think another point to toreason to go to these expos is
you can meet a lot of thesecontent creators.
Um, like we I had theopportunity to meet Mikey from
the Sim Racing Den.
Um, when you interact withthem, you can kind of get a feel
for how authentic these peopleare, right?
(49:55):
Um, after talking with Mikeyand Mike and got to spend
basically weekend with him, youknow, I I know him as a person.
You know, he's just not a faceonline.
Like my level in trust of himand what he is he's saying on uh
on his reviews carries a lotmore weight now than I don't
want to say anybody else, but Ihave met I met him, you know.
(50:17):
I I you know had conversationswith him.
I feel like I got to you knowknow a little bit know who he is
as a person, you know.
Now he's just not a face onYouTube, you know, and I think
that's another thing that kindof maybe we don't articulate
enough about these expos is youget to meet people in the
industry and you know see alittle bit about them and you
know who they are as people andthings like that.
So I you brought up a greatpoint.
(50:38):
I just thought I just wanted topile on there.
Yeah.
Jason (50:41):
Yeah, 100%.
I mean, uh, we always praiseMichael on here for a reason.
Michael doesn't pay us a singledime, and I don't expect him
to.
It's just a creator that wetrust.
You know what I mean?
It's a creator that I trustedbefore I met Jeff, you know,
before Jeff got a rig.
I used to watch his videos umwhen I was buying something.
You know, there's othercreators out there, which I'm
(51:04):
not gonna mention their namebecause it's not in my place to
do that, but there's othercreators that will just bang out
videos, just back to back.
And that's how come you don'tsee any bank back-to-back videos
from Track Go Simracing.
It's because if I'm going toreview something, I'm going to
give you the reality facts.
And to answer your questionfrom before about the fear of
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somebody gave, for example, theysent me a product and I
straight up lied just to keepthem happy, I wouldn't be able
to live with myself.
Just knowing that people arespending money or time investing
on something that's false.
You know, that it just would bea terrible, horrific thing to
(51:52):
do.
You know, it'll be justterrible, terrible to do,
especially you know, with allthe competition now, you have
nothing but option out there,and things are getting harder to
compare now because they're sogood.
Everything is pretty damndecent, right?
When you buy something, and tofind those nitpicks to give you
(52:15):
perspective is a challenge todo.
Um, but that's how come Ibelieve personally, I believe in
the sim racer.
I believe that being a simracer should come first, and not
just saying that you're a simracer, not just looking into
that and telling you, hey, I'm asim racer and I do zero racing.
(52:38):
You see me, you don't ever seeme.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm just a a product commercialguy that just they send me a
shit ton of stuff.
I have no time for racing, andI'm reviewing products.
So how are you reviewing thisproducts?
You know, you can get in it,you can you can say whatever you
want to say, but nothing beatshard lap time with humans.
(53:02):
Period.
That that's just the way itgoes.
That's just the way it goes.
That's my opinion, though.
Everybody has an opinion.
Jeff has an opinion, everybodyhas an opinion, but this is my
professional opinion as acreator to to you know to
everybody.
If Thrustmaster sends me awheel and I put it on this rig,
(53:22):
I can't compare that wheel to asim Semicube 2 Pro, but I can
review it in its price range, ifthat makes sense.
I can review it for what it isand the package that you get,
you know, as a whole in itsprice range, and for who these
these wheels are for, or thistypes of products, or who are
(53:43):
they for?
You know what I'm saying?
There's a way, there's ways ofbeing fair, you know what I
mean, in comparison.
That's like comparing a Ferrarito uh to uh a Hyundai.
The Hyundai might be superreliable and a good car to bring
you to A and B.
It's not gonna smoke a Ferrariever in its life.
(54:05):
You know what I mean?
Jeff (54:06):
One would one's a great one to get into sim racing with,
the other one's, you know, yourend game sim racing.
Yeah, it just is uh it's justdifferent markets sit right with
me when you're when you'resitting here.
Oh, I'd love to see, you know,what this person thinks of this.
And they're like, well, theysent it to me for free, but you
know, I'll give you my reviewand they can't tell me what to
say.
And you're like, all right,well, okay, I'll take that worth
(54:29):
a grain of salt.
Now I appreciate everybodybeing open and honest about it,
but I am very curious, you know,some of our listeners, tell us
what you think about some ofthese reviews and what your um
what your thoughts are whenyou're watching a YouTube review
on whatever product you'relooking at, um, and they say
that they've received it forfree to give a review.
Uh, you know, tell us what youdo you trust them, or you know,
hey, like it's the best I got,so I go with it.
Or if you have a bettersolution to how we can get this
(54:53):
information that's hard, likewe're very niche community.
Um, you just can't go to BestBuy to test out a CimeCube 2,
you know, or uh a Sol Pec wheel.
Um back to the to the to the umto the expos.
But uh YouTube's a huge way Ire research gear that I'm
looking at.
Um, you know, it's hard to finda Pi Max super.
(55:16):
It's the only way.
Jason (55:17):
Um there's really no other way, you know.
Jeff (55:19):
VR headset, you know, that I you can't go to the store and
try one out.
So you're taking people's wordfor it.
It just is hard to put a lot offaith in something that
somebody got it for free.
Um, I see.
Jason (55:29):
Yeah.
Jeff (55:29):
Yeah.
So I it just is um, yeah, I'mjust curious to see what you
know.
If you're a listener and yougot some thoughts on this, drop
it in the comment.
We'd love to hear about it.
We'll comment back.
Um, but yeah, so that was mydiscussion point here.
I just it just is uh somethingthat I've been bothering me, not
bothering me, but just kind ofnitpicking at the back of my
head every time I watch reviewand somebody, I got it for free.
(55:51):
No, you're in the stage.
Jason (55:52):
So you're in the stage.
You build a brand new PC,you're trying to build a flight
sim, uh you're shopping for aheadset, and you're trying to
see what the differences are.
And we've done research on whatthe differences are, but still
you you still wanna you wannaknow as much as you can, right?
Because it it's a lot of money.
Jeff (56:11):
It's a lot of money that you're you're you're investing
in something that you can't holdin touch, and you're trusting
somebody to tell you straightup, straight no tracer about the
gear.
And they got it not in the mostas long as they're being
genuine about it, that they gotit review.
Okay.
Um, yeah, anyways, I don't Idon't know if we need to keep
piling on, but uh I mean I'lljust say one more thing is sure
(56:33):
uh always trust, always look atthe history of the manufacturer
and where they come from andwhat they stand for.
Jason (56:42):
And that's how I judge a good guess if something's gonna
be pretty decent, or something'sgonna be trash, you know, or
maybe they changed everythingand they become and they became
great.
But you know, always look atthe history and trust me,
there's subreddits uponsubreddits upon subreddits about
(57:05):
issues that you could find.
Uh that these guys are notpraising the good because they
don't get paid to praisenothing.
They they're there seekinghelp, you know what I mean?
So that's another way you canscounder the internet.
But again, um I believe in thesim racer, and I believe in the
sim racers that really race andreally push.
(57:30):
Because when you give themgear, they actually use the
gear, you know, and that's howI'll end it.
But uh that's gonna be it forthis week, man.
Um, do you have any roundtables before we wrap it up
today?
Jeff (57:43):
No, man, I don't.
Jason (57:44):
Um, we're about almost an hour in.
Jeff (57:48):
I know.
Get uh get in the rig more thanI did this week.
I'll I'll promise to uh dobetter this upcoming week and uh
drive fast and break late,everybody.
Jason (57:59):
All right, Jeff.
Thank you so much again.
Uh, it did go by really fast,bro.
It did super fast, but uh yeah,we're counting down the days uh
to uh holiday seasonapproaching.
So my you know, we'll keep youup to date as time progresses.
Um and we'll probably end upmaking another Black Friday
(58:22):
episode, but this will be thestart of it.
So thank you so much.
Yeah, a little a littlesprinkle, you know, to get you
going to get the engines uhcooking.
So, anyways, guys, thank you somuch uh to all you viewers and
listeners out there.
If you have any questions ofanything that we spoke about,
drop a comment or send us anemail to shakeanepodcast at
(58:44):
gmail.com.
And with that, have a greatstart of your week.
Thank you.
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