Inside the World of DNR with Daniel Newman

Ever wondered how a film memorabilia collector transforms into a passionate sim racer? Join us on this episode of the Chicane Podcast, where we sit down with Daniel Newman from Daniel Newman Racing. Daniel shares his riveting journey from Ipswich, England, where his love for Ipswich Town Football Club and Formula 1 fueled his passion for both virtual and real-life racing. Alongside exciting updates like Jeff Smart's Singapore adventures and Eric Kelly's silver medal achievement in Gran Turismo, Daniel's story of balancing ADHD, autism, and his love for racing offers an inspiring narrative that you won’t want to miss.

Prepare to be enchanted by the innovative world of DNR Racing. Daniel walks us through his evolution from using a modest Next Level Racing FGT Lite setup to the advanced Sim Lab P1X and Simucube 2 Pro. Discover how "cry once" philosophy led to long-term satisfaction in sim racing. We also highlight the brilliant work of DNR Racing in creating intricate LED profiles for sim racing peripherals using SimHub software. Learn about their collaboration with YouTuber Dave Cam that brought about a game-changing ambient lighting feature, and how they integrate seamlessly with Philips Hue and Govee lights to enhance the sim racing experience.

The episode concludes with a look into the meticulous efforts behind maintaining and updating over 100 profiles, integrating features like true dark mode, and the significant roles played by Nico and Thomas in DNR's success. Daniel also acknowledges Constantinos' contributions, emphasizing the importance of community and collaboration in pushing the sim racing experience to new heights. Whether you're a seasoned sim racer or new to the scene, this episode is packed with insights and stories that underscore the passion and dedication within the sim racing community.

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Episode Transcript

Jason (00:15):
The Hello and welcome to the Chicane Podcast, where we

(00:36):
discuss all things in the simracing world.
I'm your host, jason Rivera,and I'm joined here by Eric
Kelly and a very special guest,mr Daniel Newman from DNR Racing
.
How's everybody doing today?

Daniel (00:51):
Thanks for having me, jason Eric.
Good to be here.

Jason (00:55):
Daniel, we've been waiting for you, man.
I mean we had a it's it's kindof tough uh recording across the
different seas, but we finallyable to come up with a plan here
to get Daniel on the show andit's honestly the best time to
have him here because he has alot of things that have changed

(01:16):
since our last plan scheduledrecording and, yeah, I think I'm
excited for today.
Thank you so much for makingthe time and, you know, being
available to sit down and have aconversation with the Chicane
podcast.
I really appreciate you, dan,thank you so much for inviting
me.

Daniel (01:36):
It's great to be here.
So yeah, thank you both of yousee the background.

Jason (01:44):
I love it.
I love what I'm seeing backthere, and we're going to touch
on that here in a second, but ofcourse we have to.
I have a few announcements tomake.
It's it's.
It'll be a short one, but JeffSmart is not here with us.
He is in Singapore having thetime of his life.
He sent me videos yesterday ofhim driving go-karts.
I'm like so jealous right now.

(02:05):
I wish that I could be outthere yeah and apparently he, he
, you know what.
I won't spoil that, we'll leavethat for the next episode.
But anyway, um, just a saveround, alibi, I mentioned, uh,
we covered, um, well, in afuture episode we will cover the
lovely dashboard new update,and I did mention that it was

(02:28):
two dollars to get two euros,excuse me to get started, and
it's actually one euro.
And the first week of october,uh, there's uh, his pit, his um
plugin, his new brand new pluginwill be available to all free
members, and that is all all Ihave.
Eric, do you have anything toupdate us with?

Erick (02:46):
Yeah.
So I did get a chance to hop inthe rig and actually improve,
and I have the well, I have amedal to prove it, so I earned
my first silver medal in thetime trial on Gran Turismo.
Yeah, yeah.
It was one where I reallylearned the car, learned the
yeah, uh, yeah it was.
It was one where I really likelearned the car, learned the

(03:07):
track, the breaking zones, andactually was able to like
whittle my time down to get downto that silver bracket.
So I was excited about that.
That made me feel good.

Jason (03:17):
Real quick what track and what car.

Erick (03:20):
So it was one of the weeklies.
It was deep forest raceway, uhreversed, and it was, uh the
michigan bc lancer evo finaledition, uh group okay, yeah,
all right, you went old school,man, I see that's the car they
specify for the track and that'skind of one of the challenges
every week.
Um, all right, it's a new car,class, track, layout, weather

(03:45):
and you know, if you got thetime, you can grind it out that
week and make some money.

Jason (03:48):
I got a million credits off of that, so I like it it's
credits in the game right, notnot a million dollars or euros
pounds no, no.

Erick (04:01):
The uh the chicane podcast will have a brand new
sponsor if I got a milliondollars.

Jason (04:06):
Hell, yeah, we would All right.
Well, congratulations, eric.
Um, that's awesome.
I always love to hear likeupdates, like that man.
That's great, I mean, causewe're all gradually trying to
get faster at.
That is a never ending goalhere.
It's a-ending thing that we tryto do.
But, uh, yeah, congrats, man.

(04:27):
So today, daniel newman raceand dnr, it is a pleasure to
have you here with us.
I will open up with the firstquestion, and that's who are you
tell us about yourself?

Daniel (04:42):
so again, um, thank you very much for having me here.
It's just as much an honor forme to be here as um, as you said
it was for you.
So, yeah, thank you forinviting me.
It's great.
Um.
So yeah, daniel newman.
Um, I, of course, live inengland, if you haven't already
worked out by my accent.
Um, so I live in a, in a towncalled ipswich, which is about

(05:02):
an hour away from london.
I think most people probablylook at england and say lond,
london.
That's kind of where they knowLondon, manchester, birmingham.
So I live about an hour fromLondon.
Um, I have got two children, soI'm a dad.
Um, I got married.
This year.

Jason (05:19):
So I've got a wife, and congratulations, thank you.

Daniel (05:21):
Thank you um.
I'm an avid sports fan, so um Iwatch football, or you guys
call it soccer, but footballhere.
So um my local team, ipswichtown football club, were
promoted to the top flight ofenglish football last year man
united, bro, sorry, man united.

Jason (05:39):
How do you log off this thing?

Daniel (05:43):
so, um I'm an avid football follower and um I have
a season ticket, so I go toevery, every game and watch oh
wow, my local club play.
So, yeah, football is a bigpart of my life um.
And of course, you know racingsim racing um, and also real
life racing.
Sadly, I'm not fast enough tobe a real life racing driver um,
which is why I pretend to drivedigital cars on my computer,

(06:07):
because it's about as as closeas I get um avid f1 fan.
So love formula one um.

Jason (06:13):
Mclaren is my team lando, lando rules bro, lando, so
lando if you're watching um.

Daniel (06:20):
I'm happy to come and clean your car for you or
something I hope lando'swatching that.
That'd be awesome so yeah, big,big, big McLaren fan,
motorsport fan.
But yeah, I guess, in anutshell, that's me, that's
Daniel Newman, from DanielNewman Racing.

Jason (06:35):
I love it, man.
So I mean you actually made agood point with people think
that just Londonondon is theentire country.
Always, yeah, people say you'refrom england, so it's a london
no, there's.

Daniel (06:52):
You know, england is quite big.
Okay, it's not, it's not unitedstates big, but it's big enough
.
So it's quite big bro there'ssome hours between you know,
between cities and towns.
But, yeah, I live about an hourout from london so it's the
closest, I guess, major city inengland um to where I live and
and most people probably wouldresonate with london.
So, yeah, it's a town calledipswich, if you're really bored

(07:13):
on a map, um, about an hour fromlondon that's awesome, man.

Jason (07:18):
I you know it's on my bucket list, um and scotland.
I haven't been on that side,but, yeah, man, thanks, thanks,
uh, daniel, for that.
So now tell us the next part.
The next portion is uh.
Well, this is actually eric'squestion.

Erick (07:34):
I'm sorry, eric, go ahead yeah, I was gonna ask uh, how
did you get into sim racing likehow did, how did that begin?

Daniel (07:43):
if I'm brutally, it was almost accidental.
So, um, I've got a passion forracing, like probably every sim
racer does, and um, I have, I'vehad lots of hobbies, I guess in
my adult life.
Um, and probably one of my uhadmissions is um, I have, um, um

(08:04):
I've got adhd autism and Iflick between hub or have the
tendency previously to flickbetween hobbies, and it became a
kind of running joke that Iwould do something for a period
of time and I would then switchto something else and all my
focus would, would dive into it.
So when I was, you know, into ahobby, I did a hobby at 100
miles an hour and I was kind ofyou know, I'm either all in or

(08:25):
I'm nothing and I used to be areally big collector of film and
movie memorabilia and I had acollection that was growing way
out of control in my house.
My wife was so tolerant it was,it was getting a bit silly, to
be honest.
But I had, um young childrenthat were growing up and some of
these replicas and props wereworth quite a lot of money and,

(08:49):
um, I wanted to move themsomewhere so they would be safe,
so that obviously the childrenwouldn't, you know, damage them
and whatever else.
And I think I also hit the pointwhere I knew that, you know,
their value would declineeventually and I would be
sitting on what was an expensivecollection for what most people
might describe as as rubbish um.
So I made a decision to to kindof get rid of that.

(09:10):
And, um, I I wouldn't say Iaccidentally found sim racing,
but as someone that is a bigmotorsport fan um, I found a sim
racing rig.
I think it was something like,um, a FGT light from Next Level
Racing or similar.
And I said to my wife you know,I'm going to do this, I want to

(09:30):
be a sim racer and I want tohave a rig in my house.
And she was like you know,whatever it needs to be small,
you can't have.

Jason (09:36):
So I sold her the idea and said I'm going to get this,
you know, Next.
Level Racing.
Nothing small about them,exactly.

Daniel (09:46):
And an FG, you know next level racing small about them
exactly and um nfgt light and Idid that and my first ever
wheelbase, uh, was a thrustmaster wheelbase can't remember
the name of it, I want to saytgt2 was it a belt driven or
gear?

Jason (09:54):
I think it was a belt, right it was belt driven, yeah,
um.

Daniel (09:57):
So it was kind of like a .
It was an okay wheelbase.
It wasn't great, but it wasn'tsort of it did the job.

Erick (10:04):
if you're like, yeah, it was all right, um and so my fgt
light arrived, okay, wheelbaseit wasn't great, but it wasn't
sort of low end If you're like,yeah, it was all right.

Daniel (10:07):
And so my FGT Lite arrived, my wheelbase arrived, I
think I also bought aThrustmaster shifter and the
sequential handbrake as well,thinking I'm going to be like
the next Colin McRae rallydriver or something.
I set this thing up and Ireckon I had it in my living
room for about two days, maybethree days, and I was like, nah,

(10:28):
this, this doesn't scratch theitch.
So then I changed, literallywithin a week, and I bought a gt
, omega, um rig and it was a itescalates bro like a so fast for
all of us crazy.
It was like an aluminium, almosttubular rig.
Um, again, it was fairly basic,I would say, in in construction
, but it was better than what Ihad and I thought you know, this

(10:49):
is, this is more me.
Um, I went out and bought a bigtv for it and kind of set the
space up in my dining room andmy wife was like you know, you
told me we were gonna have thissmall fold-up chair that you
were gonna put in the cupboardand all of a sudden I did the
same thing, bro in england, likehouses aren't big, so property
sizes are generally quite smallhere and I would say I took up

(11:11):
probably a quarter of our familydining room with this rig and
she's like what are you doing?
and I think, because I'd alreadydone it by this point and and
you know the joke is,forgiveness is easier than
permission I'd already taken thespace.
So I was like at this point I'mall in, I could go and get like
a full profile rig, um, I'mgonna do it.
And I did so and then went andbought a sim lab, um p1x and hey

(11:35):
, that's what I'm running backhere.
Man cheers it grew, um, yeah,and then I think within probably
six months, um, I was runningon like a simicube 2 pro and on
this big proper rig, if you like.
So the bug, like I said youknow earlier, with hobbies, is
kind of I'm either all ornothing and I went from that's a
steep hill to climb then butyou say this almost every week

(11:58):
here.
You know, cry once, so cry oncecry once.

Jason (12:02):
It's one of those.

Daniel (12:03):
If you just do it, close your eyes and and you know,
bite your lip a little bit, youwill cry once and once cry once.
It's one of those.
If you just do it, close youreyes and and you know, bite your
lip a little bit, you will cryonce and then you forget about
it.
And I've done that now.
I've cried once and I'm youknow, I'm still racing in the
same rig, um, still happy, stillhappy, still loving life, and
um, it's, it's a hobby thateveryone says it's about their
own hobby, but this must be oneof the best hobbies in the world
.

Jason (12:23):
There's not a time when I don't get in my rig, put down
laps and smile and have fundoesn't matter when, where, how,
what it's just always fun evenjust sitting in the rig, like
I'm sitting in the rig with thewheel and I'm customizing some
buttons or actions or whateveryou know.
I look around and I'm like,damn, like I built this.

Daniel (12:43):
You know what I mean yeah, yeah, I love it so and
that's kind of sim racing.
So you know, I've been doingthat now for maybe four years,
um damn that's all of us, bro.

Jason (12:54):
That's all of us.
We're like born on the samedate or something.
Our sim racing dates we need tofind them yeah, so I, I wasn't
a covid sim race.

Daniel (13:04):
I think a lot of people got into this, into covid and I
was probably just after covid umpurely accidental, but but yeah
, I've been here ever since yeah, man that's awesome yeah, that
resonates with me because I have8hd and I have the same pattern
.

Erick (13:19):
Like monday I can be burning down a town about
something like it's important.
Then, like by wednesday, mywife is like hey, hey, didn't
you say you're going to do athing?
And I was like, oh yeah, I did,I forgot about that.

Daniel (13:30):
Completely.

Erick (13:30):
Yeah, completely yeah.
So I definitely understand thatman past four years everybody
has the same story.
But so moving on, kind oflearning more about your, your
background.
What is daniel newman racingfor people that are familiar?

Daniel (13:50):
okay, um.
So we create um I'll use theword elaborate, probably is a
fairly fitting word elaborateled profiles for sim racing
peripherals.
So there's an incredibly pieceof powerful software within sim
racing if you race on a pc atleast, called sim hub.

Jason (14:10):
Um I think nearly everybody yeah, the go.

Daniel (14:14):
Nearly everybody will have heard of it.
Um, but it's essentially whatpowers?
Probably simulator rigs and um,yeah, so we create custom led
profiles for a range of simracing peripherals and hardware
that run through sim hub.
So that can be steering wheels,it could be ddus or dedicated

(14:37):
display units, dashboards,people that drive, um, browse,
ambient lighting.
Ambient lighting, bro.
Let me tell you guys, let melet me stop right here.

Jason (14:48):
I was not a believer in the ambient lighting.
Until you try it.
Please give that a go, becausenow I went out shopping again,
so when my amazon cart itdoesn't know what I'm trying to
do, but sorry, go ahead then.

Daniel (15:04):
Ambient lighting is my happiest accident.
So I was creating profiles oneday and I had a very, very rare
amount of free time just for aday and I had some spare Philips
Hue lights that I had mountedbehind a TV in my house that I
was no longer using, and I thinkit hadn't been long since

(15:27):
SimHub had introduced ambientlighting within SimHub and I had
them sat on a desk beside mepurely accidental, and I thought
I wonder if we can do somethinghere.
And I think I was speaking to aYouTuber called Dave Cam and he
messaged me and said could youmake my ambient lights flash
with the color of a flag?
So if I get a yellow flag, canmy lights tell me?

(15:49):
And I said I don't know, butprobably, you know, I guess we
could do it.
And so I sat there one day withsome ambient lights and thought
I'm going to knock a profile up.
I put it together as anaccident just for a bit of fun,
and you know I don't exaggeratewhen I say it would.
Probably was one of the mostpopular profiles that dnr ever
released.

(16:09):
Um, and it went from being uhyeah, this is some fun and this
works kind of cool to peoplesaying no, you know, I need this
, this needs to have thisfeature and I need my rig to do
that.

Jason (16:19):
And you know, overnight ambient lighting became in dnr,
at least a thing listen, I'm ahuge fan of the ambient lighting
and it kind of worked out rightbecause it's kind of like sim
hub.
A few months before youreleased, um, the update to the
ambient lighting, they, you know, they had just added support

(16:40):
for govi lights and I thinkphilip hue lights right.
So it kind of worked out for youbecause you didn't have to go
to nicola, the creative sim huband say, hey, man, I want to do
this, can you implement?
It was already there, so youjust made the profile and it's
it took me less than 30 secondsto set up a profile and it was

(17:00):
just and it just works.
You don't touch it.
It's kind of I'm sorry, I'mjust excited because I literally
was just messing with that lastnight.
I love it.

Daniel (17:09):
You say you don't have to message.
Nikolai, you would be amazedhow many messages a day a week.
That poor man gets from me whenI say one of the DNR users
wants this feature and it's notpossible.
Can you please integrate thisinto SimHub?
And I think the guy must lookat his dm.
See my name, pop up sometimesand think literally not again.

(17:30):
Um, he's incredible, he, he, hehas to be hands down.
Probably, if not the close tothe goat of sim racing this the
guy is the einstein, the brain.
He's incredible sim racingperiod incredible, incredible
and I think it's such an amazing, really powerful piece of
software, um, but yeah, it makeseverything within sim racing

(17:52):
run so much better.
But, yeah, sim hub great.
Nicholas is great, um, andthat's how ambient lighting was
sort of accidentally born.
But in a nutshell, that'sthat's dnr.
We create profiles for simracing peripherals.
Um, as it stands today, they'reled peripherals um, but you
know, never, say never into thefuture, because I'm always
looking at other peripherals andother devices haptics are on

(18:13):
the menu hint I love you.
You know wheelbases motion, youknow, you name it, you think
about it, if you could put aprofile on it.

Jason (18:22):
Ultimately, the goal is is you know, daniel moraisen
wants a profile for it so I wantI will say this you know, if
you look at you know I'll use,I'll use a game like I don't
know.
Give me a game that has a lotof cars.
You know, like I, racing hassure a lot of cars.
Right, imagine sitting in yourrig and you should be racing,

(18:44):
you should be on track, youshould be staring at data.
But now you're trying to.
Now you have a ddu in front ofyour, in front of your screen,
or you have a wheel and you wantthat rev match to be one-to-one
for the amount of time it takesfor me to sit down, and that's
if you know what you're doing.
Right, just for one car.

(19:05):
You know, with with daniel'sprofile, it's kind of like you
install it and you kind offorget it and a car comes out
and it may take them a while.
I don't want to put dan on thespot.
You know I kind of hit him hardwhen, when that mclaren dropped
, I was like, dude, I need this,this profile, and it was
literally days later.
He updates them, all the cars,not just the mclaren, every car

(19:28):
that comes out and it matches.
And it's not just a rev stripthat matches, it is the shape as
well.
So the the mclaren is weirdbecause it has like a red right,
red right.
When it's uh, red blue, redblue, red blue, red blue.
When it's like full, like whenit's red lining, it's weird.
And then you just turn the caron and it just you still look

(19:52):
down and it works and it's like,oh sweet man, I mean yeah, so
definitely there's a lot more.
There's a lot more complexitythan you'd think with just a
profile, because you knowanybody can create a profile on
sim hub.
But having it one-to-one, fullycustomizable, and it works with

(20:12):
your wheels, designed for yourwheel, with the number of leds
and your ddus and your lightsand your brows and your uh what
it's all working together, it'sa.
It's an amazing ecosystem.
Dnr is amazing.
I'm a full supporter of it andI also have to throw this in
there, but I followed DanielNewman before there was a DNR

(20:36):
and he could tell you about that.
I purchased a CSX three, fewyears ago or when it came out.
I think it was two years now.
A few years ago or when it cameout I think it was two years
now and he was the only soul onthe internet that had a profile
for this wheel and that was myprofile, and then I think it was
like he updated it.
You updated it like two orthree times.

Daniel (20:57):
Yeah.

Jason (20:58):
And then you kind of disappeared and I was like what
happened to him?
Where is he?
I can't find him.
And then you kind of popped upand say, hey, I have this new
thing.
It's it's dnr racing and itcovers all these things.
And I'm telling you it touchedmy heart because I was like I
don't know what to do.
I mean I'm just gonna run thiswheel as is until until I don't

(21:21):
know I probably have to learnhow to program these things.
But uh, your product is amazing.
I'm a huge fan, thank you 4.3just came out.
Um, by the time you're watchingthis, it's available and we'll.
We'll cover what, what, uh,what you get with the tiers and
everything else.
But, uh, I do want to ask youreal quick we did go over, uh,

(21:42):
your rig setup sure so what isthis thing behind you?
Where are you?
That does not look like aliving room.
It looks like a, like a, like apersonal space.
Can you elaborate on that?

Daniel (21:54):
yeah, yeah yeah, I'm currently sat in my bathroom and
um, this is where I wash that'sa hell of a bathroom, bro, with
some crazy lights racing.
I'll tell you, um.
Yeah, so I'm currently sat in aroom that, um we, or I, call
now the daniel racing studio, sothis is a brand new space

(22:14):
that's literally been built umwithin weeks um the entire
summer.
Thank, you, it was built as a,as a content creation room and a
studio to work for DNR.
Dnr hit a point earlier thisyear where and I'll elaborate on
it soon, but where the some ofthe people that were approaching

(22:34):
us for work made me realizethat, you know, this is serious
and I need to put some serioustime and effort into the work
that I'm producing, and in orderto produce the best quality of
work, I need to be in a spacethat is fit for purpose and lets
me work and does what I need todo, you know, in that kind of
space.
So, um, I made a reallydifficult decision to to to

(22:56):
build this, this studio, um, atthe bottom of my garden, you
know my house and um, and yeah,this is, this is dnr studio.
So this is kind of where I race.
I've got a big rig beside me.
Um, you can see the the screenbehind me, which?

Jason (23:08):
I love it, man, that that is awesome.
Got a lovely pit wall behindthere, yeah that incredible pit
wall.

Daniel (23:14):
Um, constantino's is a legend.
Um, I've got lots of wheels ona unit across beside me.
So this room, um, I don't thinkvideos and pictures really do
it.
You, you know full justice.
But when you come in here or Icome in here every day to work I
open the door, the lights comeon automatically.

Jason (23:30):
Oh yes, the smile hits my face of like here it is Dan.
Congratulations, bro.
Here it is.
I mean yeah.

Erick (23:36):
I'm happy for you, man, yeah, bro.

Jason (23:38):
Thank you.
That is beyond, because ittakes a lot to just build a rig,
but now you just went ahead andbuilt a full-blown studio,
which is kind of incredible.
So I mean, you know, by thepicture that I'm viewing here
and on your Discord I knowyou've shown a few previews.
So, definitely we'll link yourstuff below for people to check

(23:59):
out your products and yourstudio, of course.
But I just wanted to say, uh,congratulations, that is a
massive milestone thank you,there's gonna be a day where you
go in there and you can be like, wow, this is kind of where it
all like began.
You know what I mean?

Daniel (24:15):
it's um, and I do it's kind of like a pinch yourself
every time I walk in here, and Ithink you know dnr has made
this possible.
This, this space, is isincredible.
Um, there is quite literallyblood, sweat and tears in this
room um, I bet I had somekeyboard banging.

Jason (24:32):
How many keyboards have you switched out?

Daniel (24:34):
like be honest, I think I make a joke um with someone
that works on dnr with me thatwe need to have shares in
logitech mice because the amountof clicks that we go through
profiling.
I'm surprised that my mousehasn't caught fire yet or my
keyboard hasn't caught fire yet.
Literally blood, sweat andtears in this room.

(24:54):
I've had a couple of bloodyaccidents in here building
things.
I've had so much stress,stuff's gone wrong.
So this is literally, quiteliterally, a labor of love.
this is a very, very importantroom hopefully is yeah, it's a
good space to work forward yeahthat's awesome.

Jason (25:13):
I love to hear that, man, just.
And then the next question Ihave for you, um, is what, what
kind of inspired you?
Because you, you mentionedearlier that it happened kind of
like by accident, that you knowyou were to, you know the sim
racing aspect, but dnr, what?
What inspired you to create dnr?
What was the one thing that youcan think of that said that's,

(25:36):
that's what I'm going to do.
I'm going to do thisconstantinos from the lovely
constant wow, constantinos,lovely dashboard he's the guy.

Daniel (25:45):
So there's a, there's a small backstory behind it, um,
and it is.
I've been a lovely dashboarduser now since all almost the
beginning.
I didn't find him on day one,but I would say within within
weeks, um, I'd found a lovelydashboard.
I'm quite fussy, I would also.
So I've got a graphically taste.

(26:07):
If you're using stuff, it needsto have a good UI, it needs to
be functional but look nice too.
So I've been using sim racingdashboards that didn't really
cut it for me and I wanted tofind something that was a bit
better.
Um, yes, yeah, I paid people tobuild a dash for me as well, um
, and that worked okay and therewas functions that I wanted
within that dash that were okay,um, but I found a lovely

(26:30):
dashboard and I started using it.
I'd used it for, you know,several weeks.
I joined discord.
I joined his discord, um, and Ibecame a fairly active member
of his community and we'retalking very, very early days
now in the hundreds of users,not thousands and, um, I would

(26:52):
say I struck up a friendshipwith constantinos, um, he's an
incredible man and I've got somuch time for him, but that
friendship went on over, youknow, a good period of time, um,
until I agreed to help himwithin his discord, um, and I
became, you know, what he titledat the time was the community
manager.
So effectively I would, I wouldhelp balance the discord out
and kind of manage members,people that had, you know,
general queries or needed somemild tech support I remember

(27:15):
those days bro.
I could kind of help with thatum and so you know, I was
helping constantino us out, um,but in, in the same time, I was
kind of doing some profiling onmy own devices, just for fun, in
the background, um, and likeyou said earlier, you know,
using the, the cube csx3 profile, I was kind of doing that and,
you know, constantinos said tome a couple of times you should

(27:36):
do this, you should try this.
And, um, it got to earlier thisyear, it was probably january
time, sometime in january and,um, I was sitting here thinking
I could try this.
You know, this might work, itmight not, but it might work.
Um, and I was really reallynervous about doing it because

(27:56):
all I could think about was, ifI set up my own discord, am I
going to upset Konstantinos?
Because he'd become such a goodfriend of mine that I wanted to
make sure that.
You know, he kind of supportedme, um, so, yeah, I did
nervously reach out to him andsay I've got this idea and I'm
not sure what do you think.
And he was like hell, yeah, doit.
And he gave me lots of advice,he gave me lots of pointers, the

(28:20):
DNR logo that anybody that usesour products now probably is
familiar with.
He created that there's so muchinput from him at the early days
to say you know, go ahead andtry it, you can do this.
He would give me support for howto set up the discord, um,
setting up kofi, that kind ofthing.
So it was an idea in my headthat I could make some profiles,

(28:44):
but it was never really a bigidea, um, so I would say
probably at least 50.
I could thank constantinos forhelping make this happen,
because he certainly encouragedthe project to move along and
he's been really supportive.
So even to this day now, whenwe release new features, one of
the people that I'm always mostexcited to talk to and tell

(29:07):
those features is him Because,whether he realizes it or not,
sometimes I look back and thinkof the beginning and, you know,
without the things that hehelped me with and sort of the
guidance that he gave me and tothis day still does, sometimes I
don't think we'd be here, um,so I still get excited to say to
him hey look, I'm going to bereleasing this or I'm going to

(29:28):
be doing this and um and yeah,that's kind of where it came
from.

Erick (29:32):
Yeah, shout out to Konstantinos man, he's a great,
great guy.
Yes, for real.

Jason (29:37):
Amazing.
I love the story.

Erick (29:42):
So that's awesome to hear .
I love hearing just thebackstory behind all the kind of
names I see and people I watchon YouTube and I'm in
everybody's Discord watch onYouTube and I'm in everybody's
discord and so I love hearingthe connections behind the
scenes that have been happeningand the stories from these guys
that I'm you know, I'm usingtheir stuff Like somebody, like
you.
I'm using your profile on my GTNeo but because I'm on console

(30:06):
I'm kind of limited.
So I'm kind of like wishing I'mwatching Jason's stuff go crazy
when he lights it up when he'sdriving, especially on Twitch.
So I'm looking longingly likeone day I'll run Daniel Newman
stuff on some hue lights and allthat stuff.
But um, but um.
I do want to ask you what goesinto making an LED profile, like
the process, because, likeJason was saying, as the, as the

(30:30):
user, we get it and thanks toyou and sim hub and we just load
the profile and it works.
But just to give people an ideaof like what it actually takes
to create these profiles insaneamount of time hours, yeah sorry
, that's.

Daniel (30:49):
That's what I was expecting I felt it coming bro,
I was like here it comes, yeah,um I've lost count of the amount
of days that I've been sat atmy desk or my rig at late, late
at night, having worked lots ofhours in the day to get
something finished or to get afeature finished.
If you look at a specific car,for example, people might say,

(31:12):
oh, is there an easy way ofmatching?
No, I have to get in that car Ihave to go in the sim.
No I have to drive that car, Ihave to go, I have to drive that
car in every single gear and Ihave to put my foot on the
throttle so gently and I mean sogently and watch in game at
what moment, exact moment doesthe first led turn on and what

(31:34):
color is it in game?
And then I have to write downthe value, and that could take
me, depending on how oh my godthe fatigue you get in your foot
on the throttle.
So by the time you've done fiveor six leds, you're like, oh my
god, I need to finish and andthat's one car, and that could
take you a long time and thathappens for every single car.
So that's just to match the car, that's not to make the profile

(31:56):
.
That's just me one, one vehicle.
For the rest of the profile, Iwould say today, because the
profiles are very different towhat they were when they started
.
They are full of really complexjavascript code.
I say really complex.
If you're a coder and youunderstand javascript, it's not
necessarily complex.
But actually to to most sim hubusers and sim racers, we don't

(32:21):
need to delve into that code.
We've got no need to understandwhat it means or how it works,
and that's why the end ui isimportant.
So then, creation of a profileactually takes so much time for
us now because it's not just oneprofile.
I counted this morning andthere's 104 profiles available
on the dangling and racingwebsite.

(32:42):
So every single time there is arelease, that is 104 sets of
data that need to be updated andthat might be the same data but
104 times.
And as an example, if if you'regoing to edit, I don't know um
the rpms.
Let's say so.
We offer a specific set of rpmsthat match vehicles and some

(33:02):
generic.
If you've got generic rpms, weoffer them in three different
styles.
There's a left to right, a meetin the middle or an f1 style.
So there's three types of rpmsnow.
Of them, three types of rpms,there are 16 themes.
So that's now 16 times three.
That's just for generic rpms.
Now we've got, as I said, 103profiles.

(33:24):
If you said probably 60 to 70of them have got rpms in.
In fact no more because of thewheels, probably 80 to 90.
Those have got rpms in.
You can now do your 3 times 16times 90.
That's insane amounts of hourswhen someone says to us you know
when is the next release coming?

(33:45):
Trust me when I say we'reworking on it.
There's hundreds and hundredsand hundreds of hours go into
the releases, and as they getmore complex and as more devices
become available, it means thenext release could be 106
profiles, or 107 profilesbecause there's new devices to
update.
So every release takes longersimply because there's more work

(34:08):
to update, and then it dependson the complexity of the feature
.
So, right, a part of therelease we've just done.
Version 4.3 added an enormousfeature for us, which allows
users to customize the buttonson their steering wheels.

Jason (34:24):
So no, I love that, bro.

Daniel (34:26):
I send you pictures, it's so much work involved and I
think it that we we support 18wheels today as of this filming,
and that means that data's gotto be done 18 times.
We've got a set of I think it's23 buttons and about seven or
eight rotary options.
We have to offer 14 differentbuttons.

(34:49):
So again, you times that 16 by14 ish sorry, 26, 23 plus 6, 29
ish by 14, and then by the 18wheels we offer.
You know, you can see howquickly these things multiply
into.
Okay, I can see there's somehours going into this now and
you might do that and then findat the end of it because nothing

(35:11):
is completely faultless thatthere's a bug.
That means we have to go backand maybe do a hot fix, even
before we've released or afterthe time constraints on some
things.
It can be very difficult, butequally as much as it goes into
it and I say it's stressful, andit is stressful, it's so
rewarding to watch peopledriving, smiling, enjoying a

(35:33):
profile.
When you say to me oh, I lovethis, it just works.
Or this feature is amazing.
When somebody says to me I'm,you know, I'm using this, and
it's just incredible.

Jason (35:43):
I love it bro.

Daniel (35:46):
I had a message last week from um.
I won't name drop, but aprofessional race car driver.
And car driver and just sayingthat he liked the work and was
using it and I had to sit on mychair, like pinching my leg, for
about 20 minutes thinking what?
But that's what we do it for,because that's the sort of you
know reaction that ultimatelymeans that, um, if people like

(36:08):
that are using the work, then weknow we're doing something
right and it's fun.
You know, sim, racing is notall about setting the fastest
laps.
Um, sometimes it's about havingfun, and that's important too
just have to pinch yourselfbecause it the feedback is

(36:28):
amazing.
And when you have feedback fromfrom people who race
professionally and they say,look, I use your work and um,
it's good because, or this isfun.
And I think that's reallyimportant because sim racing for
some people is about, you know,professional driving and being
fast, but for other people it isabout having fun and it is
their opportunity to havedowntime at the end of the day,

(36:50):
to go into their rig and andjust to get away from work, from
life, and just to have fun.
So, as much as there is so manyhours going into doing what we
do, actually the real reward iswhen you hear people say, yeah,
but I had so much fun doing this, or did you see this new
feature that DNR has done?
Or that kind of stuff is whatreally makes it worthwhile.

Erick (37:11):
Yeah, man, I've got an actual story.
After I loaded your profile onmy gt neo, I recorded a video of
it and I took it to work andliterally after they saw the
start of animation, guys, likefor like the next two weeks
straight they were asking me sowhich rig should I get?
Amazing and okay, like, sowhat's their will of that?
Like, literally, they're liketrying to figure out how am I

(37:32):
gonna pitch this to my wife tolet me buy, let me spend sixteen
hundred dollars to get a rigand wheel and all that stuff,
because it looks cool and andhere in the states, you know,
motorsports is, you know,outside of nascar it's kind of,
you know, limited right, butit's becoming more mainstream.
And just really, specificallywith sim racing, when people see

(37:55):
what a rig looks like instantlyespecially guys, if you're a
car guy at all when you see areason like I can have that at
my house and they might thinkit's like oh, that's 20, 30, you
know out, an outlandish amountof money, cars I didn't have to
have this day one, I added thislater on and you show them a
path to having something amazing, um, it really makes it a lot

(38:18):
and it's a lot cheaper thanbuying a real car, racing it and
you have oh yeah, maintenance,and then let alone.
If you crash the car, I mean,then now you got more problems.
Yeah, man, yeah, I can crashthis thing all day, it'll
restart and how many people can.
Only thing gets hurt is your.
It'll restart, and how manypeople can?

Daniel (38:34):
The only thing that gets hurt is your pride?
Yeah, of course.
And how many people can ridethe Nordschlef at 11 pm at night
in their pants, with a can ofCoke on their lap?
Exactly.

Erick (38:44):
There's these perks, some rum and Coke, yeah so I'm
telling you hey, yeah, man, it'sbeautiful, yeah, it really is
man.

Jason (38:53):
Yeah, that's what's up, man.
I mean, I have a race myselflater on today and it's on the
damn North Slifer.
Good luck, I have to get readyfor that one.

Erick (39:02):
Oh yeah, thank you.
Yeah, man, I'm going to try toyou going to stream it.

Jason (39:06):
Yeah, that's going to be live.

Erick (39:17):
I mean later, but yeah, I'll be uh, trying to tune in
man, but um, but I know we spokeearlier about, you know, your
relationship with constantinosand the lovely dashboard.
Uh, this gives an idea of howyour daniel newman racing
products work with the lovelydashboard yeah, sure, um.

Daniel (39:29):
So, as part of daniel newman racing, I think something
that needs a really notablemention is how the profiles run,
how they work and, in part, howthey're created.
And in order to have a lot ofthese things happen, there are
two other people that work withme here at DNR.

(39:50):
That kind of make this possiblewith me here at dnr, that kind
of make this possible.
And if we leave constantinusaside just for a second, um, one
of those people, um, some ofyou may know from discord is
carol dude.
Uh, his name is nico and, um,another person some of you may
know as flashbang, his name isthomas.
Um, so nico and thomas kind ofcame into the dnr project in, I

(40:13):
would say, the very early days,almost by accident, and they've
both, like constantinos, becomeincredibly good friends.
Um, they're people that I speakto on a daily basis.
You know we talk about stuffthat isn't just sim racing how
is your family, how are yourkids.
It's important stuff about life.
Um, they're people that I Iwould consider valued friends,

(40:33):
not just people that I'm here tosim race with or do things.
Um.
So in the early days, caroldude or nico kind of came about
because, um, I'd released anupdate for a profile that had
some car specific data for accand um, he messaged me and said
hey, this, this is wrong.
I'm thinking who's this guy,what's he on about?

(40:54):
And um.
So we were talking and um, youknow, we got talking and he was
a really, really nice guy.
So he's like you know, this iswrong.
And most people would say thisis a bug, fix it.
And I'll just be like, okay,I'll do it.
Nico was different.
He was like hey, this, thisisn't working, but how about you
try this?
Or how about I help you?

(41:15):
We'll try this and if thisworks, we can do this.
And it went from you know, wewe fixed a few things to how
about adding this feature to theprofile, how about adding that
feature to the profile?
And expanded and it became whathas become today and I would
say Nico is instrumental indelivering DNR.
He is a very good friend, avery, very knowledgeable person

(41:37):
and just an all-round brilliantpart of DNR.
Thomas is similar.
Very early days, as this wasgrowing, we were distributing
profiles on Discord.
It was a bit messy, it worked,but it wasn't the best.
I remember reaching out todiscord members to say I need a
web developer, I need a website.
Um, I've got this idea.

(41:58):
I want like two, three pages,basic as anything.
Can you do it?
And this guy, flashback,messaged me and he was like, hey
, you know I can help you.
Sure, he used my profiles.
Um, I think he wanted a browprofile or something.
And I was like, hey, look, youhelp me do this and I'll make
you some profiles.
And we did, and what startedoff as a two-page website has

(42:23):
now become full-on webdevelopment.
Thomas is responsible for theDNR plugin.
That is Thomas's work.
Again, incredible, incrediblepart of the DNR community.
Again, the website goes underweb development.
That kind of stuff.
Both of those people are arecrucial to this.
To bring that back to yourquestion of how do we connect
with lovely dashboard they helpmake that happen.

(42:44):
So lovely dashboard is reallyimportant to me for the reasons
that I mentioned earlier.
Constantinus is a fantasticperson, someone that I value
tremendously, and when Ilaunched dnr, I wanted to try
somehow to kind of pay homage insome way to his work, because
without him, dnr might not haveexisted.

(43:05):
Um, and one of the things thatI love most about lovely
dashboard is true dark mode.
Now, that is a feature that, uh,that I asked him personally for
last year, maybe earlier in theyear, and said look, I've got
this thing on my own dash.
That's pretty cool.
And it came from a bmw gt3 carum, I think it was the m4 gt3

(43:27):
and in the real life dash itgoes orange when the car's
headlights go on, so to help youkind of drive at night and like
an endurance mode if you like.
And I said to him hey, I needthis on the dash.
It's the only feature that I'vegot on a different dashboard
that I use and, dare I say it,if I drive at night, I will use
this dashboard.
If you don't implement, I needit.
And he's like okay, you know,let me, let me look into this.

(43:48):
So he implemented true darkmode.
Um, he did it in four differentcolors, which is both a
blessing and a curse.
Amazing feature, love it.
And what I said is this red thisis amazing, but the problem is
now my dash is red and my ledlights are bright green and
yellow and blue and make my eyeshurt at night.

(44:10):
I can't do it.
So the next thing was we needto integrate true dark mode into
the profiles and have a similarmonochrome color theme to match
your dash, and that was kind ofstep one, wow.
So that's where the the fourcolors was a bit of a blessing
and a curse.
They look amazing and I loveusing them.
The curse is it means I've gotfour sets of data for every

(44:31):
profile, so it's not just andagain this is the magnitude of
the d every profile.
So it's not just and again, thisis the magnitude of the DNR
profile it's not just one set ofRPM data, it's five, because
you've now got four sets inTrueDarkMode colors and then one
set in what we'd call youreveryday color.
So TrueDarkMode was kind of thefirst iteration and integration
from DNR and Lovely Dashboard.

(44:52):
That's grown a bit further.
So when we started introducingsteering wheels, um, I wanted to
make sure that there was alovely dashboard theme.
So as part of the the profileswe offer, every steering wheel
has got 16 predefined themecolors and that allows the user
just to select a theme that theymight like from a list of 16.

(45:13):
And that's because if I offeredone, people will say I don't
like that color.
If I offer two or threesimilarly 16 oh, you can't
please everybody.
Then you know, if you can't finda color of course, but if you
can't find a color out of 16, Ican't help you yeah so, um, and
it's now 17 because we now offera custom option because, as it
as it happens, I can't pleasesome people with 16 themes.

(45:34):
So there's now 17 because wenow offer a custom option
because, as it as it happens, Ican't please some people with 16
themes, so there's now 17,which means you can select your
own colors.
But it was really important forme to have a theme that was
called the lovely dashboardtheme, and that theme is what we
try to get as close to reallife motorsport.
So all the colors mean thingsin it.
People think are these colorsjust?
They're meaningful colors, um,red for brake bias, green for

(45:55):
engine map, blue for tractioncontrol yellow for abs amen, I
use that universal colors and,and so we use those in the
profiles to match lovelydashboard things like the pit
limiter it's blue and white.
If you turn on lovely dashboardpit limiter and you make it full
screen, look what color it isit's blue and white.
All of the features of theprofiles that we implement match

(46:17):
lovely dashboard and that wasdone intentionally, because I
use the dashboard and I use theprofiles and I want them both to
to work well together, to lookgood together, as they've
developed lovely dashboard andas dnr was developed, of course,
we introduced a dedicated simhub plugin earlier this year.
Um, which has been has beenincredible and constantino has

(46:41):
done the same recently.
So again as part of the mostrecent 4.3 update, um, the
integration between dnr and ldis even better they.
There was previously some freakoccasions where synchronization
wouldn't happen or things wouldget out of sync.
The plugin basically removesall of that and I would say the
synchronization is now solid um.

(47:03):
So you know the two workharmoniously together.
Your last guest, mike from simracing, then um, did a video
recently on dR and he made acomment that I can't remember to
paraphrase exactly.

Jason (47:14):
Yeah, I saw that.
I saw that Amazing SimRacing,then Amazing video.

Daniel (47:18):
Mike again is an incredible man.
Lots of time for him.
His work is brilliant and hemade a comment about how those
two products work really wellhand in hand and for me that was
a huge compliment.

Jason (47:33):
They're kind of meant for each other.
In my opinion, and I think,yeah, you can't have one or the
other.
If you're using the lovelydashboard, you might want to
pick up DNR.
If you're using DNR, you mightwant to pick up the lovely
dashboard.
That's how I feel about it.
And your theming is awesome,because it's not just a theme
for the wheel, like for the game.

(47:55):
You can set it so when you'reoutside of the, outside of track
it, it displays a differenttheme, so there is some deep
level customization going on inthere and it's really nice.
I love going in there.
It's like one click or twoclicks, you open up symbol.
Uh, sim hub, if I switch wheelsI'm that guy that switches
wheels based because I likeimmersion.
I'll use my csx3 for any hypercar or any formula car because

(48:21):
it's it's a 282 millimeter it'sactually a perfect size for it.
And I go to dnr and I justselect my wheel and it has all
my settings already saved.
Yeah, it's awesome, dude.
I mean I'm telling you thelatest update, the 4.3.
It makes sense because Imentioned earlier, I have a race
this afternoon on the northsliver and the guys are telling

(48:44):
me you need to join the discordchat and I'm like.
So I'm like, okay, so now Ineed to program my wheel to
control discord.
How do I do that?
So I went over to dnr and dnrtells me when the the uh,
because I can deafen um discordand it'll, it'll automatically
change color.

(49:04):
So I'd look down.
It's red, it's muted, I don'thave to guess.
No more, it's awesome, dude it'slike yeah, dude, it's like, or
oh, the DRS thing that you addedin then is amazing.
It turns yellow when you get,when you get in close to the to
the zone and then it startsflashing.
It's just another method oftelling you get ready.

(49:26):
You're about to hit this button.
Make sure you press it at theright time.

Daniel (49:29):
There's so much in them profiles that I think can easily
be missed that people you knowsomeone says it's got drs.
Okay, but everyone's got drs.
You can add it in sim hub.
But actually if you, if youstart writing custom javascript
code, you can delve into deeperfeatures and functions and you
can add things that don't existand you can have, you know,
custom things.
So one of the features that'sparticularly cool it's kind of

(49:51):
like that is in the pit lane.
So there's a feature that whenyou enter the pit lane, if your
limiter is not turned on, itflashes red to say you know, if
you enter the pit lane andyou're speeding, it flashes red
even more to say look, you're inthe pit lane, there's no
limiter and you are going fast.
It changes to um to yellow onDD use as kind of a warning when
your pit limiter is on to say,okay, you're okay, your

(50:13):
limiter's on.
You need to know this and ifyou've got a steering wheel it
would be a solid blue button.
And then, as you exit the pitlane, a lot of people say I
don't know exactly when todeactivate the limiter.
Do they wait a second too latejust to be safe, or are they
turning off too early andrisking a penalty.
So actually the profile nowflashes green.
The DDU will flash green to sayturn it off.
Your wheel button flashes green.

Jason (50:34):
It's a nice flash too.
You can literally.
It literally goes like that.
I use that religiously, bro, Iwant you to know.
Then I'm literally staring atmy wheel because there's the
line there and as soon as itgoes green, green, green, I just
touch the button and go, andthat saves people from having to
guess where the line is and betoo early and risk a penalty or
be too late and lose time.

Daniel (50:54):
And there's so many features in the profile that do
that that if you want to racecompetitively, that they will
help you do exactly that.
And if you want to race to havefun and you just like blinking
lights, you know again you canturn them on and they're quite
cool features.
But so many of these thingstake so much time to think out
and deliver properly.
Because, again, take so muchtime to think out and deliver

(51:16):
properly?
Because again, there's anthere's not an infinite amount
of of led in space to displaythis on and there could be 100
effects across 20 leds.
Well, you know, 20 into 100doesn't go.
So you have to decide what'smore important at a certain time
and there has to be some, somelogic to what.
What are we going to displayhigher up this hierarchy of
lists that we need you to see,or what actually can we?
Can we drop down a bit?
So there's so much thought thatgoes into.

(51:39):
We need to do this or not dothis, and and yeah, it's, it's
good, it's hard, but it's good,I mean it's once you try this
thing it's kind of like a buttkicker.

Jason (51:50):
Once you put a butt kicker on your rig and it
doesn't work, you're not gonnago race, you fail it yeah you're
gonna.
You're not going nowhere untilyou figure out what's going on.
That's how I feel about the,the leds, which, honestly, I can
comfortably say I've never hadan issue with leds working on
the wheels.
Um, the plugin came out andit's had several uh revisions

(52:14):
and but nothing like hardwarebreaking or any problems really.
So I mean hats off to you then.
Uh, it's been a solid.
When you, when you releasesomething and you and I spoke
about this offline but you'relike I can't release something
just for one specific wheel thatI have.

(52:34):
If a release is coming out,it's coming out for all of them.
That way, everybody has it atthe same time, and I think
that's a good.
It's a good thing to do andit's also a good business model,
because now you're standing byyour version.
Version 4.3 is out, it'll workon all these wheels that we have
listed, as promised.
So I mean I, I really, I reallyappreciate that.

(52:56):
Um, because what if I go outand buy another wheel that's on
your list and to find out, oh no, this wheel is gonna, it's not
working yet, we need to wait,but then you have our tour
wheels working, you know what?

Daniel (53:08):
I mean.
So it's kind of yeah, it needsto be a level playing field so
that everyone has the sameexperience, and I think, wow,
not that not just the sameexperience but you mentioned is
having different wheels of yourown.
If you change your wheel, youneed to know your driving
experience is consistent.
If your csx3 tells you this,you don't want to change that to
, let's say, the archer wheeland it can't.

(53:29):
That wouldn't be helpful.
So all the wheels need to beable to display the information
in some way.
Okay, the led layout ispotentially different, so it
might look differently to somedegree, and that's why colors
are important, because if youuse colors, you've got
uniformity and you know to lookfor this color, because it means
visual memory so it's important.

Jason (53:51):
Yeah, I think that's.
Wow, that's a good way ofputting it too, you know,
because not every wheel is builtthe same and not every leds, uh
setup is shaped the same, butusing the same light cues, like
the green to go, the red forspeeding or the red, you know
what I mean.
It's like whoa, something'swrong, because red.

(54:12):
Red is always a high caution,yeah, a warning.
Red is off track, red is wrong,invalidated.
Something's bad, so it'll grabyour attention, that's what I'm
saying.
Wow.
So with that, dan, I'm going toroll into the next question.
This is a service, it's asubscription service, and I just

(54:38):
want to ask you you havemultiple tiers, and what do they
include?

Daniel (54:44):
Yeah, sure.
So it is a subscription-basedservice.
So people often ask me can wepurchase a profile one-off?
The answer is always no, for avariety of reasons.
People also say, well, I couldsubscribe, download and then
delete, and then you you know Iwouldn't pay and you wouldn't
know.
That is true.
But in order for the dnr to besuccessful and to carry on

(55:04):
delivering updates and I thinkthat's one of the things again
that I'm really proud of is thatwe deliver updates regularly,
they're timely and they're notjust updates for the sake of
giving you an update.
I think every update we'vedelivered has had meaningful
content in it and gives peoplenew things that they don't
always perhaps know they wantand need, but they use it and

(55:26):
like how do I live without that?
So subscribing allows us to dothat.
It keeps allowing us to keeppumping the massive amount of
hours into the project to keepdelivering, and that's why
subscription for us is important.
The tiers are, you know, Iwould argue low cost.
So when we set this up, I did alot of research into looking at

(55:48):
other sim racing peripheralsand subscription services and,
like everybody else, I'm aconsumer and there comes a point
when you can say I've got justtoo many subscriptions.
Do I need this?
I think for me some areimportant and you know it's up
to the user to determine whichfor them is the most valuable.
So our subscription levels startat three pounds a month.

(56:08):
Three pounds a month will givepeople access to the stuff that
we think is really important andat the most basic level they
need.
So three pound will give themall of the steering wheels, all
of the rpms, um button boxes andthe, the dnr companion profile,
because at the most basic level, anyone looking for led
profiles is probably looking foran rpm profile.

(56:31):
So that's where we start.
The second tier is six pounds amonth and that, in addition to
those profiles, gives peopleaccess to some things that are
perhaps nice to have or a littlebit more advanced in terms of
hardware.
So we're looking at things likeflag boxes, browse, ambient
lighting.
They're not crucial to mostdrivers, which is why they're

(56:54):
not in the bottom category,because these are people that
want to go over and above, andthat subscription tier kind of
reflects that.
And then we've got a final tier, which is nine pounds a month.
That tier doesn't unlock anyadditional downloads but it does
a number of different things.
Um, there are a number ofincredible people who are, uh,

(57:15):
devoted to supporting daniumracing and have done so since
it's, you know, very earlyinception, and those people
amongst the other subscribersreally do help keep the project
alive.
The nine pound tier allows themto pay just a little bit more
every month, um, to give it thatlittle bit of an extra boost
and kind of in thanks to that,we try to have we call them dnr

(57:37):
surprises, just to sort of, Isay, sweeten the deal.
But if we can say, thank you topeople for going over and above.
We will so um.
We're currently giving away abrand new simagic gt neo as an
example no, that's, wow, that'snot a gifted, um you know, wheel
.
So simagic didn't say to us hey, give away a wheel.
This is me saying to subscribersto members, I recognize you and

(58:01):
I appreciate you and I want todo something to say that I'm
grateful for what you've doneand you know what?
Let's give away a device thatyou can put one of our profiles
on.
That will work well and thatyou're going to have fun.
It might be someone that hasn'tgot that wheel or someone that
hasn't been able to delve thatfar into DNR yet, but it's.
It's a small way of saying wesee you, we're grateful and we

(58:24):
will do what we can to supportyou for going, you know, over
and above.
You don't have to, um, butthank you wow.

Jason (58:34):
so so you're giving away a sim magic gt, neo.
Um, you guys might want tosubscribe to this whoever's
watching, get a chance to win awheel and support daniel.
I mean, I'm not that guy thatdownload something and shares it
or do it, does whatever.
You know anything like that.

(58:55):
I think when you look at thework that these guys are putting
in and you know how much do youreally rely on things, right?
You know what I mean.
I rather pay the price everymonth for the convenience and to
make it easier for me as well.
And in addition to that, if youlook at this dannynumeracincom

(59:19):
and you go to their change logwe're being really vague with
this stuff, because that changelog is massive.
You can scroll down the pageand it's a lot of changes that
you can see where and why itcosts, or where your money's
going right, what, where, whatis it being used for?
And it's to support the futuredevelopment of this.

(59:41):
We don't want to lose DNR.
We don't want to lose it.
We want it to remain in thecommunity and we want it to grow
.
And how do we grow?
Is we got to help each other?
We have to support, and that'sthe bottom line completely and I
think people don't

Daniel (59:56):
necessarily always understand that the dnr also
costs money to run.
There's a lot of expense thatcomes out of dnr to make what it
is today and I think this isalso important for um,
recognizing the efforts thatpeople like nico and thomas.
So again, you know themembership, they see part of
that because I think it'simportant to reinvest the money

(01:00:19):
that comes into DNR to make theproduct better.
So you know, I could I think Isaid this to you, jason,
recently you know I could takemembership fees and I could go
and buy myself a pair oftrainers and have fun with that.
But that is not the philosophyand principle of DNR.
We the philosophy and principleof DNR we're here to ensure
people are having fun and tomake sim racing accessible and
better for everyone, and thatincludes me.

(01:00:39):
I'm a consumer and I'm a userand I want to have fun and be a
better racer and I think havingpeople like Nico and Thomas help
us do that is really important.
So your membership kind of goesto all of these places the
website, there's so many thingsbut it's pivotal to making sure
DNR runs the way it runs.
Um, we're very, very gratefulfor it and um, and hopefully the

(01:01:01):
work, you know, speaks volumesof that and people are enjoying
it.

Jason (01:01:06):
All right, daniel.
So well, that is an amazingstory.
I love your products.
4.3 just came out.
There's never been a bettertime to get started with DN.
What's in the plug and what DNRentails in more detail?

(01:01:26):
I do have one final questionfor you, daniel what's in the

(01:01:49):
future?
Right, I mean we touched on alot of different challenges with
wheels, because you know youhave to own the wheels to
actually do the profile, andsome people want different
wheels and they can't.
I mean, you're buying thisthing out of your own, you're
buying this hardware out of yourown pocket.
So I mean, that's one of thechallenges that we're facing

(01:02:11):
right now with wheels.
But what is the future?
We're facing right now withwheels, but what is what is the
future?
What do you see maybe two orthree years from now with dnr?
Or what if?
Is there anything you wanted toreveal on the show?
Or what do you where you see itheaded?

Daniel (01:02:23):
so we are incredibly busy, always busy, and when I
say we put hundreds of hours ofwork into this, it's not an
exaggeration.
Every single week, nights, days, you name it, there are
hundreds and hundreds of hoursthat go into this project.
Um, we're currently working onsome massive projects to improve
um user experience in terms ofthe website, um, the member

(01:02:47):
integration with kofi.
It works at it as it is, um,but it could be better, and we
for sure recognize that andpeople say you know, this is
clunky or that could be, but weknow and we are trying so hard
to make that that thing, thosethings happen.
Um, so at the moment, yes,there's a lot of projects kind
of on the go.
Where do I see it into thefuture?

(01:03:07):
Um, we're very lucky today thatthere are a number of um brands,
popular brands within simracing that do support dnr's
work and have provided devicesto us to allow us to profile for
wheels, to give users, um, youknow, incredible profiles.
So we're very grateful to thosecompanies that do that.
Um, we are at a point wherestill not every company is has

(01:03:30):
done that yet, um, and maybethat that can't always be the
case, but moving forward, itwould bring me no greater
pleasure than to be able toprofile every sim racing piece
of hardware that exists so thatany user can say you know, I can
go and pick up a piece ofhardware and I know it just
works.
I know there are people outthere today that will say I will

(01:03:51):
buy a piece of hardware if Ican have a dnr profile and if I
can't have a profile I'm nothaving the hardware.
There are people that tell methis regularly and I would love
to be able to say to them okay,what wheel do you really want?
And we'll make a profile forthat.
And I think you know, carryingon the way we're going, now
people say you're going to hit alimit.
There'll be features.
Honestly, there is so much thatwe can do.

(01:04:18):
Sim racing, I believe, is in itsinfancy, um, it hasn't once.
It's been going for a number ofyears actually.
It's growing and getting moreand more popular.
I think you've only got to lookat f1 teams having their own
esport teams to just to show youand televising those races as
well.
So you can now watch an esportsf1 race on certainly in england
, on sky sports, which isincredible when you think these
are people kind of playing videogames.

(01:04:40):
Um, but I think, moving forward, I see that and sim racing is
growing.
So to have lots of hardwaremanufacturers work with us and
say you know, we want, we wantto do this together.
Um, we like making drivers fastand, and I think lots of the
tools that DNR provides do that,and there's a lot of companies
out there providing solutions tomaking drivers fast.

(01:05:01):
That might not be hardware, sothat's kind of where I see the
future.
I think I'd like to see more ofDNR, or more people hearing
about DNR.
I'd like to see our profilesreach corners that perhaps they
haven't done yet.
But yeah, I think we're doinggood things so far, very
grateful.
See our profiles, um reachcorners that perhaps they
haven't done yet.
Um, but yeah, I think I thinkwe're doing good things so far,
very grateful to our user base,and I just would like much more
of the same, probably I think itis vital to me.

Jason (01:05:28):
I mean to have that.
I mean, even if, even if thingsdo slow down if I don't, I
don't see them slowing down butwe still have new games coming
out.
We still got ace evo coming out.
We still have lmu that'spumping out cars those things
are going to need profiles.
They're going to need when aceevo comes out you're going to
probably be.
Then you're probably going tobe a little busy over there.

(01:05:49):
Uh, I don't know what the sizeof the cars that they have over
there, but that might take atoll.
But I mean, yeah, just, I meanit's a small price.
In my opinion.
It's a small price to pay toget um one-to-one data from your
wheel and be connected to thecar, because that's what his

(01:06:11):
profiles do.
They connect you to the car andthey also connect you to the
track because you know, having a, a red flag or a yellow flag
flash your wheel and your lightsabove you is kind of nice, I
mean it.
It keeps you aware andawareness is fast, period.

(01:06:32):
If you're aware what's going onon track, you're fast.
If you're not aware, you'rejust, you're racing like this
with your eyes closed, basicallyyeah, or or in vr or in vr
which we can't fix vr.
I don't know what we could doabout that one but don't do that
, I would.

Erick (01:06:48):
I would love it I can get some of this functionality in
vr just don't right.

Daniel (01:06:52):
Yeah, at least where force you miss, don't do it ah
there you go.

Jason (01:06:56):
We were talking about a possible ar, like you know.
Like you know ar like when youlook down, you can see the, the,
the wheel it's happening with.

Daniel (01:07:06):
I've seen people yeah, there is, you know, vr out there
that does similar now.
So it kind of emerges the two.
So you've got hardware that youcan still see, but you've also
kind of got that virtual kind oftop space.

Jason (01:07:17):
So so that again that would be awesome when it comes
out mass.
So is there anything, uh, forus, daniel, that you have before
we close this one?
Um, it's been a great, greatchat with you so far, man.
I really appreciate having youhere and listening to your story
, because there's a lot thatgoes into, uh, what you do,

(01:07:39):
because people might view itfrom a simple, from a one view,
right, but there's multiplethings going on that people not
might not know about.
So having this, having you hereto speak about it, is
invaluable to the sim racingcommunity.
But do you have anything forthe chicane podcast that you
would?

Daniel (01:07:58):
like to share.
I would like to just say again,thank you very much for
inviting me onto your podcast.
I watched avidly every week.
I remember watchingConstantinos' podcast and more
than once and again, mike fromsim racing.
Then I joked, I listened to itin the car.
So I couldn't watch it becauseI was listening to it as I was
driving.

(01:08:19):
So I had made the habit ofgetting home, putting it on
YouTube and watching it again,knowing what the answers were
but just wanting to see it.
So, yeah, I'm really gratefulto be invited here to chat with
you.
It's great to do that and I'mvery thankful.
You it's, you know, it's greatto do that and I'm very thankful
.
I've got no exciting upcomingnews for you because, of course,

(01:08:40):
4.3 has just released, um, butversion 4.3.1 is coming as a hot
fix, unfortunately very, verysoon, um, but it does bring a
couple of of cool fixes into it,things that we thought we had
working into, new features thataren't quite there, but that
will be here, I would say,within 48 hours or so, so you
may have that in your hands bythe time this releases.
And then, uh, version 4.4.

(01:09:00):
So 4.4 is already in the works,uh, and that means button boxes
are getting a big overhaul.
So steering wheels just hadtheirs and it's now the turn of
button boxes.
So look out for version 4.4.
If you are exciting button boxuser, I love it.
Um, and yeah, just just keep aneye on the website.
On the discord, lots of goodthings are happening.
I don't want to give too muchaway, but if you're a user, um,

(01:09:23):
I would imagine you will have agood end to 2024 perfect, eric.

Jason (01:09:29):
What do you?
What do you?
Have any?
Any last round tables herebefore we shut this one down?

Erick (01:09:36):
No, I was going to ask about consoles, but I know we're
dealing with a lot oflimitations as far as that goes.
That'd be great Something toconsider We'll have that in the
future, but I'm pretty aware ofthe limitations there, so I
guess I'll continue my plans toget a PC.

Jason (01:09:56):
There you go.

Erick (01:09:58):
Yeah, all right, that's it.

Jason (01:10:01):
Thanks, Eric.
So I just want to close withthis.
If you guys have any, if youguys haven't tried DNR's
profiles, I highly recommendthat you check out first the
SimRacingDen's video whichexplains how his plugin works.
But check out their discord.

(01:10:22):
Check out DanielNewmanRacingcom.
Give him a try.
Try it for a month.
I don't know, it's even thebasic plan will get you LEDs
working on your wheel and you'llsee.
Um you know how special hisproduct really is.
So I just want to give him ashout out and I want to thank
him here on the show, not justfor coming on the show, of

(01:10:44):
course.
The pleasure is ours to haveyou here.
Thank, you but also for all thework that you're doing, because
without that work, you know whatI mean.
That means I would have to goin there and do these types of
things that I would have neverthought that I needed and now
that I have it, it's kind oflike, wow, this is actually
working to my advantage and itincreases my um, you know

(01:11:07):
immersion if it makes me feellike, well, I'm actually my
wheels connected to the car.
I bought this $1,500 wheel andnow when you add a profile in
there that everything works andit's kind of like, wow, this the
wheel feels like it, like youjust add more value to your, to
your hardware when you installthe profiles.
Same thing with the lovelydashboard.

(01:11:28):
So shout out to Constantinos.
We love the guy and we alsolove DNR stuff, so give him a
chance.
Give him a chance.
If you have any questions forDNR, we'll cover that on the
show.
Of course, email us atthechicanepodcast at gmailcom.
And I just want to say thankyou so much you both Eric and

(01:11:53):
Daniel for making the time tocome on the show and sit down
and have a chat with us.
Really appreciate it, and Ijust want everybody out there to
have a great start of your week, thank you.

Daniel (01:12:06):
Thank you.