Sim Racing in Your Pocket?!

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Jason (00:34):
This episode is brought to you by Trophyai.
We discuss all things in thesim racing world.
I'm your host, jason Rivera,and I'm joined here by Mr Eric
Kelly and Jeff Smart.
How's everyone doing today?

Erick (00:44):
This week Doing good, Doing good, man Dude Tom and
Jerry.
This week by Mr Eric Kelly andJeff Smart.
How's everyone doing?

Jeff (00:48):
today, this week Doing good All time Dude, tom and
Jerry, this week Can't complain,can't complain.

Jason (00:51):
He's got the Tom and Jerry shirt.
That's a good sign.
That's a progressive.
I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
How was y'all week Eric?
How was your week sir?
It was good man, you know,spent a little time with the fam

(01:18):
.
You know we wrapped up dancerecitals last week, so this week
has been pretty smooth sailing.

Jeff (01:21):
Can't complain, man.
That's what's up, man and Jeff,how was your week, sir?

Jason (01:23):
It's just work killing me this week.

Jeff (01:26):
Killing Ain't us all.
Yeah, that's a fair point,that's an absolute fair point.
But just more than normal.
A little bit of driving, alittle bit of just hanging out
with the family, but yeah, justkind of an average week.
Right, it doesn't always haveto be bells and whistles and
stuff like that.
Sometimes just yeah it was aweek.
We got July 4th coming up.

(01:46):
Hell yeah.

Jason (01:47):
That's a well of a motivator for you.
Look forward to the weekend,and to the weekend, maybe some
F1.
I got to check the calendar.
It's Austria Fireworks andbarbecue is the American
tradition here.

Jeff (02:02):
Happy birthday.

Jason (02:03):
America Can't beat it Can't beat it, America Can't
beat some hamburgers, steak, hotdogs and cupcakes and fireworks
Some booze.
Yeah, some hint of booze, ohyeah, Well, not much from me.
Relatively quiet.
Relatively quiet this week and,yeah, I'm just excited to be

(02:25):
here.
It's.
You know, I had a rough timelast week and it is what it is,
guys.
We all we got to move on.
Chicane Podcast prevails and weare still we're in.
We're touching the month ofJuly, which means that the Sim
Gaming Expo, yet again, is here.

(02:45):
It's already in sight.

Jeff (02:48):
It's like every day I log onto social media and I'm seeing
more companies are coming, moreguest speakers.
George is crushing it.
Yeah, I'm telling you, man.

Erick (03:01):
If you're listening, buddy don't forget to sleep.

Jeff (03:05):
Just a little bit of sleep .

Jason (03:06):
I wonder how much coffee this guy has consumed.

Jeff (03:10):
I wonder how many energy drinks.
I was going to say do you thinkhe's a coffee guy or an energy
drink guy?

Erick (03:14):
I got him pegged as a coffee guy, I don't know.
He seemed like a Red Bull guy.
I don't know Yo you imaginesomebody picks up his or maybe
he's crushing both.

Jason (03:26):
His trash and the whole trash bin is filled with
breadcrumbs.
They're like what the hell isgoing on?

Jeff (03:31):
Get some sleep.
Buddy, Get some sleep.

Jason (03:34):
George was here.
George, you're at the finish,you're at the tail end.
You can see the light down thetunnel.
It's coming.
So shout out to George Anzaldo.
Who knows, maybe we'll have himsometime again on the show
before this whole thing goesdown.
Informal invite.
I'm just saying I'm excited togo there and I want to know

(03:57):
what's changed.
Oh, yeah.
All right guys, main discussiontime.
All right guys, main discussiontime.
This week I have been thinkingabout basically the beginning of
June when we did the 24-hourrace and I started thinking, you
know, as the year progresses,we just had a new iRacing season

(04:21):
start um, there's seemed to bea more 24-hour or endurance,
long endurance races comingabout.
So not just, not just iRacing,but I know ACC did their 24
Nords, I know Gran Turismo waseven digging their hands into a
12-hour events.
So I figured let's let's talkabout endurance racing and the

(04:45):
tips and lessons that I'velearned.
Doing one, just trying to keepit all together was not easy.
So I guess we're going to openthis up to a group conversation,
sort of Preparation.
So what does it mean to beprepared for an endurance race?
Preparation.

(05:17):
So what does it mean to beprepared for an endurance race?
Well, preparation is knowingyour to the wall driver, open up
the race for us.
So that way we can, you know,attempt to keep, keep the car
live and keep the race going.

Jeff (05:35):
So I imagine I don't mean to cut you off, Jason, but I
imagine you can your opportunityto pass is best at the
beginning.
Is that an accurate statement?
Yes, so that's probably a goodtip.
Makes sense, Okay.

Jason (05:46):
And he has to be safe.
It has to be an experienceddriver that can navigate traffic
and accidents and incidents,because that's what happens on
the first the first hour ischaotic.

Jeff (05:58):
You get the blood pumping and.

Jason (06:00):
Yeah, everybody wants to get ahead, everybody wants to
get ahead.
Yeah, everybody wants to getahead, everybody wants to get
ahead.
They want to create as muchdistance as they can.

Erick (06:09):
On cold tires.

Jason (06:30):
Right cold tires and they want to minimize pit stops.
They want to get to the pitwith as much time gained as
possible, and that's when thesecond driver comes in, or they
do a double stint, depending onthe size of your team.
So that's the prep phase.
The prep phase is to gather theteam and figure out each
member's weakness and basicallytheir strong points and their
weak points.
Now, this is technically stillin the prep phase, but
communication this istechnically still in the prep
phase, but communication, so away to communicate with each
other and keeping comms alive.
I highly recommend creating aDiscord server and not just a

(06:52):
chat room, because Discord chatroom is what we used for this
event and the chat room.
If there's nobody speaking inthe chat room, Discord will
straight up boot you out of thechat room and it'll say well, to
reduce bandwidth.
Oh yeah.

Jeff (07:07):
Did you know that at the time?

Jason (07:09):
I knew that at the time.

Jeff (07:10):
Okay, I didn't have time to make a server.

Jason (07:14):
So I said, hey, I need one of you guys to stay in here
with me and keep that mic open,or one of you guys is going to
have to stay in here.
So that was a bit of achallenge, but it worked out.
But it could have been worse,right?
Let's say the call drops andthen I'm racing.
I can't click in the Discordand answer a phone call, you

(07:37):
know.
So I have no comms now.
So again, prepare your comms,make sure that you test them,
make sure it has enough peoplein it and make sure that it
doesn't disconnect on you.
Aka make a server.
It's free, it's easy, it justtakes time.
But that's why that's lessonslearned for preparation.

(07:58):
And another thing is practice.
This goes without sayingpractice, the track and the car.
This goes without sayingpractice, the track and the car.
And also open communicationwith what setup we're going to
use for this car.
We don't want different setupson the car.
We want to run a setup that weall agree on and get used to the

(08:20):
car feeling that way, that way,if I pick up the car and you
can always change the setup.
But I think it's best to learnthe car at its meta stage and
then grow with it right and thenpush on it because it's only
going to make things a loteasier, less complicated.

(08:42):
What if you forget to set it?
What if the other driverforgets to set it and he's like,
oh, I don't know what's up withthis car.
You know what I mean.
It doesn't feel right.
It's not what we practiced.
So that's a big, big one ispractice.
Make sure you know what thegame plan is.
Are we running the tank dry?

(09:04):
Are we going to leave it with alap buffer?
During our event, dude, one ofour drivers ran out of gas, and
it's because, what do you do?
He's a way faster driver and hewas burning way more fuel than
we calculated because he's thatfast.

(09:24):
So then, at the final straight,the car is like and it freaking
.
We had to tow it in and we losta shit ton of time towing the
car oh man.
So another lesson learned,flashbacks.
That's it.
And the final one is verysimple it's have a goal and

(09:46):
communicate that goal.
So our goal for this race wassurvival.
We want to do good, butultimately we want to finish the
race.
We don't want to take anunnecessary risk or try and see
what the guy next to you, ifjust challenging know, just
challenging, you know it'salmost better to, it's always

(10:08):
always almost better to just letthem go, especially if you're
being lapped, just let them go.
You know there's really nopoint.
You're not racing that personat that point when you see blue
flags on your screen or DNR orwhatever it is that you're using
peripheral.
Now, if you're racing and it'sclear that you're faster, then

(10:29):
be patient.
You know this jersey right here, a guy named uh lando norris
can take this advice because hewas faster than piastri, and
that's straight and rammed hisbumper, ruined his race.
What was that?
The final lap?
What was it Like?
The final laps of the race too.
It was crazy.

Jeff (10:49):
Yeah, it was like three laps to go or something a couple
weeks ago.

Jason (10:52):
So you went from fifth place points to no points.

Jeff (10:57):
Nothing.

Jason (10:58):
To nothing.
And how do you feel?
You probably feel disgusted atthat point.
So it's the same concept here.
Just because you think that youcan make something happen, or
you always have to visualize therisk, you know, visualize what
may or may not happen, and ifyou're faster, you're going to

(11:20):
get them.
You're going to get them, youjust have to be patient.

Jeff (11:23):
Jason, that's a great point that you brought.
I just I don't mean tointerrupt here, but I think we
should.
You know, at least expound uponis your goal is like a survival
.
But like when I jumped in andyou know I think I did like
three or four times jumped inand watch you guys racing.
You ran your race.
You didn't run a guy that youwere chasing or the guy behind

(11:44):
you is race you got.
Hey, if somebody pulled inbehind me, this is a 24 hour
race, I'm not going to hold himoff forever.
The worst that I do is I go offthe crack, off the track.
You know, hit a wall, whatever,have to get towed to the pits
and now you're like a 10 minuteyou know, tow, damage, all this
stuff, like you're just like hey, go, go by, you're not my race,

(12:11):
I'm driving my race.
I think that's.
I tip my hat to you guys, we'renot.
It's hard to kind of like stayin your helmet or, if you will,
or in your seat and be like hey,I'm racing the time, I'm racing
like our goal, I'm not racingthe dude behind me, yeah right,
and that's kind of where we werelucky.

Jason (12:18):
We were lucky because that can go to your head, right
because you know that you'refaster than the guy in front of
you.
And it happened to me and I hadto pump the brakes a little
because the guy was weaving, hewas out of control and then
later in the race we saw him onthe side of the road and it's
like karma just got you.
You know what I mean.

(12:39):
So, honestly, with these events, it could be crushing to
prepare so much for them andthen only for it to be over in
just a fraction of a second.

Jeff (12:53):
You know, man, it's heartbreaking jason, did you
have any pressure when you weredriving?
Not pressure of the race, butpressure to let.
You didn't want to let yourteammates down.
You wanted to to let.
You didn't want to let yourteammates down.
You wanted to be fast but youdidn't want to wreck the car.
Was that ever part of you'reracing?
There's a pressure there, butthen there's a pressure to A not

(13:14):
let down your team and then Bnot ruin the car as well.

Jason (13:17):
I'll tell you what I mean .
This may sound a little cocky,a little bit, but I was really
happy with my lap times.
My lap times were faster thanwhen we were practicing.
When we were practicing I wasin the high 35s.
Then I practiced on my own,dropped it to a low 30s and then
I got down to 825, was myfastest and our fastest drivers

(13:42):
were in the 824s 823s, so thatmade me feel good up until I got
.
You know, I got tapped in theback by a BMW, by an M4, bmw M4,
and hit the car on the side andI had to repair the car.
So it's a mixed bag of emotions, man, and it's a mixed bag of

(14:07):
emotions, man.
So I mean, I felt bad that thefact that I had to repair the
car and now the car is sittingin the pits instead of me
handing the car over later, youknow.
So most definitely, mostdefinitely felt pressure.
It's a good sort of pressure,right, that's the game is.
Racing is pressure and fear andanxiety all over.

(14:28):
Not anxiety, that's the wrongchoice, but the fear, the
adrenaline and the fact thatyou're racing a 24-hour race and
the car has many differentstages of feeling and when you
pull into the pits.
It's like a reset and then youget to start it all over again.
The car feels a certain way,it's not as fast and the tire

(14:49):
starts to really hook.
Then the car gets really lightand you have to be careful how
you take the curbs.
You can't take them soaggressive, because the car will
literally fly and it's probablydark out.
It could be dark out.
Yeah, it could be raining.
That's a big one.

Jeff (15:04):
Totally different, yeah.

Jason (15:06):
Yeah, we got lucky it didn't rain on us oh man, rain.
But rain changes everything.
Everything, you eat everything.
So you have to take a totallydifferent line.
So endurance racing, in myopinion, is the pinnacle of sim
racing.
It has to be because you useevery single thing that you've

(15:27):
learned in sprint raceseverything, because everything
is turned on and it's turneddown to max.
And then you have cars thathave been on the road for four
or five hours.
They're tired.
It's three, four in the morningfor them.
Fatigue is kicking in.
Mistakes happen within thehours.

(15:51):
So, it's an experience everybodyshould have it.
But those are the things thatI've learned and some of the
tips that I'm going to apply tomyself on the next go, and the
streaming tips.
I mean, if you're a streamer,just keep in mind when you start

(16:12):
to stream and when your turn isfor racing.
But for those of you that arejust racing it and just driving
it, just communication, prepare,have a plan and make sure you
all agree to the same goal,whatever that is.
If your goal is to beat thefastest lap time, make sure you.

(16:33):
Make sure you do thatconsistently and it's brought
across Right, it's across yourentire team.
So that that's the thing ourteam had.
We had team, had differentdrivers, different styles, so we
all found a happy mediumbetween each other and it
happened naturally and it wasgreat.

(16:55):
It was great, rob Markman.
I'll tell you what we finishedeight places ahead of where we
started, and that right therewas a win for me, because not
only did we survive the race,but we actually gained eight
places, regardless of whathappened.
If we lost 10 and then gained10 back and then lost two and

(17:16):
then gained five, it doesn'tmatter.
The car made it and it made itway past where we started.
That right.
There was a win for me andthat's about it.
That's what I have for thisweek, some tips and some
endurance tips, that I'm prettysure there's way more for me to

(17:39):
learn, but those are the thingsthat I think were major and
those are the things that matterthe most.
And one final thing is justdon't forget to have fun.
We weren't cursing at eachother or saying don't touch the
grass, or you went off track andthen you have people screaming
in your ear.
Everybody was very supportive.

(18:01):
You had an incident.
There was really.
I mean, you had an incident.
What are we going to do aboutit?
What can we do about it?
You know what I'm trying to say, so just make sure you take
that time to practice before youcommit to an event like this.
That is the only thing I wouldsay.
But mistakes happen, incidentshappen.
It's part of racing.

(18:21):
The real life drivers do it,the the freaking fastest people
in the world.
We have a wreck almost every f1race I mean in real life and
these are the professionals bestin the world, best in the world
and they crash.
You know they crash.
They jump the start line, theygo off track.
Some of them do it deliberately.

(18:42):
Mr George in Monaco was like Idon't give a shit, I'm going off
track.

Jeff (18:50):
Guilty as charged.

Jason (18:52):
Yes, he did.
So that's my take on enduranceracing and some tips, just
because we're in the season forit, right?
A lot of endurance races aregoing on.
So if you have any morequestions, email the show at
thechicanepodcasts at gmailcomor leave a comment below and
we'll get to it.

(19:12):
And if you have any tips for meyou know that was my first
legitimate 24-hour race, youknow let me know what are your
thoughts.
So and gentlemen, what do youguys think of this?
Do you guys think that we couldhave done anything different?
Do you think that maybe there'ssomething more that we could
have added to just the planningphase, or whatever?

Jeff (19:37):
I'm all ears uh, tuning in watching the stream.
Um, I was I was when I droppedinto you guys's um live feed,
especially on youtube.
It was like you guys were likehanging out around somebody that
was driving, it was all justyou know like a super cool

(20:01):
atmosphere when somebody came upbehind you you, you you know
like there was a spotter, thatsomebody came on.
Um, you know, you were justtalking about all things in and
around sim racing, so in thatfact, it was super cool.
You guys survived, you had agreat time.
You probably learned a lot, Um,and, and I think like what you

(20:22):
kind of got around is like didyou have fun?
Could you learn some stuff?
Like that's what we're, that'swhy we buy this stuff and build
it Right Is to have fun.
What an experience that justyou know.
A bunch of dudes driving a carfor 24 hours hanging out.

Jason (20:39):
Well, the thing is, you know, you know what's
interesting, guys, is Michaelmade a very I and he's just
deep-minded.
He made a very crazy commentthat stuck with me and he's like
look how much we had to do toget to this moment right here.

(21:00):
It's like iRacing is veryinaccessible.
You need a PC, you need a rig,you need cars, you need track,
and then you need the time.
A cars, you need track, andthen you need the time.
Yeah, and to do that acrossthousands of drivers that were
signing up for this event isinsane.

(21:20):
You know what I mean it's crazyyou need a strong internet
connection to keep it alltogether.
The streaming cameras, um,everything, everything that went
into this is similar to a realrace team.
What's the difference?
The race team is dumping moneyinto the car.

(21:42):
They're dumping money into R&D.
We're dumping money intoourselves, into a hobby that we
all love to do so when he saidthat Rob Markman, yeah, that was
one of the things.

Erick (21:53):
I was going to say that was one of the things that I was
probably the most impressedwith is all the pieces that had
to work Right 24 hours.
Right.
I've been in races where we'vebeen doing a GRL and it go to
shit in 15 minutes.
And so the fact that all ofy'all were able to have a race
that lasts 24 hours andeverybody's rig, you know, stays

(22:16):
running, our racing is runninggood for everybody.
Your stream is up going good.
I mean, that was just when Jeffwas asking about nerves and
stuff.
I was like I'd mostly benervous about the car, but then
also just all the other pieces,right?

Jeff (22:36):
car, but then also just all the other pieces.
Right, they have to.
Bro, I was I'm like you'retalking when I asked you about
like, were you nervous?
I'm in like a staff meeting atwork, bro, I hope they didn't
crash the car.
I hope they're crushing it likethe meeting's over I'm like bro
, I'm like come on boys, boyskeep going, and I wasn't even
driving.

Jason (22:57):
I think it's man.
It's quite an experience, right.
And then to go to sleep andwake up and this is in my case,
because if you, just I wasstreaming it, so the computer
had to be on 24 seven.
You don't see a birth of shit.
Come on, let's be honest.

Erick (23:14):
No, Exactly, exactly.

Jason (23:17):
So my bedroom is really close to the rig right, so I'm
looking like under the crack ofthe bedroom and the DNR the
freaking ambient lights, arejust going like all the trees
and all the colors and then Isee blinking like my boys are
still at it they're going, andthen I try to go to sleep and I

(23:42):
pull up the phone and I'mwatching the stream, literally
10 feet away.
My own shit, they're still alive.
Okay, I'm going to try to go tosleep.
No way, no way.
The boys are still at it.
The boys are still at it,they're still alive.
Okay, I'm going to try to go tosleep.
Fuck, no way, no way.
What I did was rest my eyes.
That's what I did.
So also, I mean the basic stuffwe did, like a I had, like I

(24:07):
got everybody together two hoursbefore the race and I said
listen, make sure you eat, makesure you sleep, make sure you
hydrate and make sure you don'tdrink right before you get in
the seat because you're going towant to pee.
That's just a human thing.
That happens.
Right, you drink two glasses ofwater right now.
Within the hour, you're goingto the bathroom.

(24:30):
And we were racing for two hoursstraight each person you know,
take it easy on the fiber.
Yes, you know.
But adrenaline does kick in.
But then you have to remember,you have to remind yourself to
relax, and I remember, if youguys go back and check out the
stream I think it was part three, Bro we were talking about all

(24:53):
kinds of stuff and the car Ithink I mentioned this in the
last episode.
The cars are screaming down theroad down the whole way and
we're laughing and talking aboutyes, I would.
So it's kind of cool.
I need to put it to rest.
Go ahead and sign up for anendurance race.

(25:14):
If you can, If you have thetime, do it.
You will not regret it.
And that's my take on endurancetips and lessons learned for
today.

Erick (25:24):
It's awesome man.

Jason (25:26):
Yeah.

Erick (25:27):
I got to get in one man, I got the bug.

Jason (25:29):
Now, you got the bug, you got the bug.
Yeah, I got the bug.
Now you got the bug, I got thebug, yeah.
So what we got today, mr Kelly,what we doing today, ben.

Erick (25:46):
So kind of piggybacking off what you mentioned last week
about being able to be on ahandheld and enjoy a little bit
of racing, taking that to themoon right, yeah.
So a little device wasannounced a couple of weeks ago.
I don't know about little, Idon't know, yeah, little is
definitely debatable, uh, but a,a handheld device called the
rog x.

(26:07):
I'm sorry, according tomicrosoft, you have to say the
ROG.

Jason (26:11):
ROG Bo Republic of Gamers .

Erick (26:14):
ROG Xbox Ally.
Right, so this was announced.
If you're not familiar, this isthe follow-up to the ROG Ally
that came out a couple years agothey had the ROG Ally, then
they had the ROG Ally X and nowthere's an Xbox-brand branded
version.

(26:34):
That is the follow-up.
It has the latest gen AMD AIZ2Extreme processors one of the
first handhelds to have it andit's a tight partnership with
Microsoft.
I got a little video I want toshare with you guys 24 gigs of

(26:55):
RAM in your hands.

Jason (26:55):
That's a little video I want to share with you guys, 24
gigs of RAM in your hands.

Erick (26:59):
That's a little wild.
It's legit.
I was talking to my friendsabout it and he kind of knows my
history with handhelds and mylack of confidence in them and
this one I saw this one and Iwas like this might be something
.

Jason (27:14):
This might be the one.
Let's check it out here.
Oh my God, so dramatic.

Erick (27:29):
Oh yeah, I wonder whose hand that is look at that beaut

(28:00):
yo, it looks good.

Jeff (28:02):
Oh yeah, I love the joystick.

Erick (28:05):
Alright we're erasing that man, come on yeah it can
handle it, I promise looks good,it's clean yeah so, oh yeah,

(28:34):
yeah, so, oh yeah, amd, baby,let's go Yep, and I don't know
if they're going to necessarilycover any more specs.

Jason (28:48):
Okay, holiday 25, guys, yep.

Erick (28:53):
Yeah, so they got guys.
Yep, oh yeah, so they got twoof them.
They have the Xbox Ally X which, as you can see from the specs,
the Z2 Extreme Processor 24 gigof memory, terabyte of storage.
And they have the regular XboxAlly, which is the Z2A Processor
16 gigs of RAM and 512 gigs ofstorage.
A processor, 16 gigs of ram and512 gigs of storage.

(29:17):
And so, inside us, back in thesim racing um, you know, these
things are legitimate pcs right,there are people, even with the
last gen versions that had justyou get to work on these, on
these.

Jason (29:27):
You plug them into the monitor and run microsoft office
like, oh, yeah, yeah, I mean itlike nothing, it's full Windows
.

Erick (29:34):
It's not like the Pocket PC days where you're running
some weird version.

Jason (29:37):
Damn the Pocket PC days.

Erick (29:40):
Yeah, man, microsoft has done a lot of weird stuff when
it comes to mobile OSes.

Jason (29:46):
They've been trying.
They've been trying hard,they've been trying Stop sharing
.

Erick (29:55):
Now I want to share something that I think kind of
will steal the show a little bitI have some comments.

Jason (30:01):
I promise I can't you already know, but I tell you, it
doesn't really matter whichmodel you get man.
Oh, what is this?

Erick (30:11):
so this is like I said we go to the moon with this right,
no way, so this is a fullassembly setup Bro With the ally
.
No, this is off the ally, theally X, let's see it.
And this, the one that he has,is the Z1 extreme.
It's not even a Z2.

Jason (30:27):
Look, it's on the desk.
Look, he's got a steer wheel.

Erick (30:32):
Yep, so he's got a full Camas setup, which obviously
Camas any other wheel you canplug up to it.

Jason (30:40):
Oh, come on, man, let's get that WD-40, man, Come on now
.

Erick (30:46):
And he is-.

Jeff (30:47):
He's running ACC yeah.

Erick (30:49):
Yep Wow.

Jeff (30:56):
He's in there, man, where there's there.
Man, where there's a will,there's a way.
Oh yeah, look at this.
I'm gonna ask a question here.
Oh yeah, could you do VR withit, or is it that underpowered?
You can and you know how that'sa freaking game changer.

Jason (31:14):
If, but there's a caveat, Rob Markman.

Jeff (31:16):
Jr Okay.

Jason (31:17):
So and Eric, I don't mean to steal your thunder, but-.

Erick (31:20):
Eric Deggans Jr.
I'll just shout out to Eli Nhan, whose video this is Rob
Markman Jr.

Jason (31:23):
I'm about to lose my breath, trying to get this out
before I forget.

Erick (31:27):
Eric.

Jason (31:27):
Deggans Jr.

Erick (31:30):
The bomb is up there.

Jason (31:32):
So if your games are on Steam which is 90% of us there's
a thing called Steam Link andif you have it handheld, I'll
show you guys my Legion Go,which is a custom skinned out
from Gundam.
This is my Legion Go.

Erick (31:54):
Oh yeah.

Jason (31:54):
This guy can run any game at full settings, ultra
settings.
Why?
Because my PC is running thegame and I'm only linking to it
using Steam Link and this has.
It's basically a virtual.
They both have USB-.

Jeff (32:14):
Rob Markman Like a thin client type of thing, Rob
Markman.

Jason (32:15):
Yeah, but it's on the same network.
So there's virtually.
I'm telling you you will notsee a lag on this thing.
I've done Microsoft flightsimulator with this thing while
on the toilet.

Erick (32:30):
I mean I clean the grits.
Rob Markman, jason's obsessedwith the toilet gaming man.
That's the toilet.
I mean I clean the grits.
Jason's obsessed with thetoilet gaming man.

Jeff (32:38):
That's the test, that's wild.
Yeah.

Jason (32:40):
So you, and not only that , there's other software that
you can use and you can haveyour PC upstream the game on the
network and you can be insingapore and connect to your pc
and run those games.
Are they going to run at highspeed?
That depends on the strength ofyour internet connection, right

(33:03):
?
Yeah?
Yeah, definitely yeah, so, butit can be done.
You know what I'm saying it canbe done.

Jeff (33:09):
Yeah, dude, I love dudes like what was it that dude?
Uh, ally, I forget his.
His hand, ally in hand.
Dude, where there is a will,there is a way yeah 100.
That's that.
Did I tip my hat to that dude?
Yeah, and they're not that bad.

Jason (33:25):
They're like yeah, there's like 600.
So if you compare this to a nSwitch 2, this is unbeatable,
because the games that youalready purchased on Steam are
on your account.
All you got to do is log in toyour.
Steam.
All your games are there.
All your sim is AC.

(33:46):
You can run modded AC on this.
I do truck simming on thisthing.

Erick (33:51):
Oh yeah, sometimes yeah in it.

Jason (33:55):
In the washroom.

Erick (33:56):
This is a shout out to Mikey In the washroom In the
washroom, yeah, but I'll saythat just kind of here in the
past.
So for Mother's Day, my wife,she really wanted an ROG Ally
and so I got her one and just-.

Jason (34:12):
Your wife has an ally.

Erick (34:14):
She has an ally.
She plays the Sims on it Likewe go through and customize all
the buttons on it.
She plays.

Jason (34:21):
Bro damn, son Need to steal that.

Erick (34:24):
So I've been waiting and, like I said earlier, my homie,
he asked me about the handheldbecause I've kind of generally
been just not interested in thembecause usually there's always
some caveat.
My homie, he asked me about thehandheld because I've kind of
generally been just notinterested in them because, you
know, usually there's alwayssome caveat, right, but playing
with her ally and then, like youwere saying, jason, using steam
link and experimenting withthat, it really, it really has

(34:46):
boosted my confidence in itbeing a legitimate way to play,
like most games triple a titlesis what we yeah like, like real
triple a titles, like her rgli,it's not the x, it's the regular
rg.
And still playing tomb raider,playing batman, on there, like
locally installed, like not eventaking advantage of, like game

(35:07):
pass, game streaming or steamlink.
But even the steam link, thesteam link, they the stuff they
have figured out with, like youstreaming your game from your PC
to other stuff.
I've, I've, I literally hadthree different devices up.

Jason (35:21):
You can have the game link on your phone, on your on
your iPad.

Erick (35:27):
I was testing it out, right, because I was trying to
decide.
My wife, she was like, yeah, Iwant to play a couple steam
games and so she has a Mac book.
And so we tried because I wastrying to decide my wife, she
was like, yeah, I want to play acouple steam games and so she
has a macbook.
And so we tried it out on thereinstalled.
It ran great, because obviouslyyou can't install all games
natively.
And then I'm like you know,that's running really good.
Let me just see what you can doon the phone.
I had the phone up, I had mylaptop up, I had my tablet up

(35:51):
and all the games were likestreaming my gaming PC.
But it was seamless.
The lag, there was no delay, itwas one-to-one and basically
just pick a screen you want toplay it on and it was really-.

Jason (36:02):
You can crank the graphics too, it don't matter.
Yeah, it does not matter.

Erick (36:07):
Yeah, the stuff they've thought about, the optimizations
.
It'll optimize the game forwhatever device you're playing
on, Even though it's running onthe PC.
You can tell it optimized formy phone screen and it'll just
max out everything and you'llget max your phone out.

Jason (36:21):
And this service Free of charge.

Erick (36:24):
Free of charge.

Jason (36:26):
It's free.
You just download the app andaway you go.

Jeff (36:29):
We really are living in the Jetsons.

Erick (36:32):
I'm telling you, man, and I wanted to highlight too just
as far as, how feasible this isfor the future.
So the recommended specs noteven the minimum specs
recommended specs for our racingright now is a six-core
processor, so it's going to belike an i7-8700K or a Ryzen 7
3700X.

(36:52):
Gpu is six gigabytes ofdedicated VRAM and, as far as
the GPU strength, a GTX 1060 orAMD RX 580.

Jason (37:05):
Maybe I'm low yeah sure, yeah.

Erick (37:07):
So it's like it's playable and granted the way
that the SoC works in thehandhelds you're kind of using.

Jeff (37:16):
Well, the resolution right .

Erick (37:18):
Yeah, you got a lower resolution.
It's 80p on the handheld.

Jason (37:21):
It's way less demanding, right?
Because we're trying to projecthigh graphics on a big screen
at a high resolution.
But when you drop thatresolution down, you have more.
How do you say?
A lot more headroom likeheadspace yeah, headroom yeah
then there's also technologywith amd and also with nvidia,

(37:43):
which is frame generation.
So you it may not work for simracing.
I I would not do it on a simbecause you're generating
essentially frames to fill inthe FPS.
Basically, that's as simple asI can put it.

Jeff (38:02):
Especially with like net code and iRacing.

Jason (38:04):
So all you technical specific guys out there.
I'm trying to put this in liketwo words.
That's not easy.
That most of us can understand,that aren't super technical if
you turn it on, you get a higherfps but you get input lag.
That's all you need to knowwith frame generation.
If you turn it on high inputlag and what does that mean, is

(38:25):
that when you go like this to goleft, then he goes left yeah,
it's going to be one-to-one.
It's not going to be real timeMilliseconds depends.
That's a huge jump, I'm tellingyou.
Rog Ally Xbox version.
Xbox is known, and this one'sgoing to hurt Eric Kelly's heart

(38:52):
, but Xbox is known for havingone of the most comfortable
controllers out there, oh no.

Erick (38:54):
So you know the lengths I went to to try to get the Xbox
Pro controller.
Yeah, the Elite controller onmy PS4.
I had all kinds of dongles andall kinds of stuff connected up
to it.
Yeah, that controller is stillthe GOAT right now.

Jason (39:12):
So you basically have a controller with a screen, but
the hardware is technically thesame.
So if you don't care about that, you can pick up an ROG X right
now.
No, no more ROG X.

Erick (39:30):
No, so this one is the next gen, so it's supposed to be
the.

Jason (39:36):
It has new hardware in it .

Erick (39:37):
It has new hardware.
So the ROG LIX right now hasthe AMD Ryzen Z1 Extreme
processor.
This one has the Z2 Extremewith the 8-core processor.

Jason (39:50):
But it's not out yet.

Erick (39:53):
Yeah, this one isn't out yet, but you're right, it is a
jump.

Jason (39:55):
My bad, it's a jump.
I'm waiting for the Legion Go 2.
I like the Legion because theLegion has detachable
controllers, so you can set thison an airplane and I don't care
who's looking at me.
I'm a grown-ass man and, yes,I'm on an airplane and I don't
care who's looking at me.
I'm a grown ass man and, yes,I'm on the airplane drinking a

(40:16):
damn mimosa, playing thefreaking Yakuza games, because
those are my favorite games.
Rob Markman.

Erick (40:20):
Jr.
That's hilarious.
You got to shake them.

Jason (40:21):
Rob.

Jeff (40:21):
Markman Jr.
Yeah, but hey, man, would youlike to play, would you?

Erick (40:23):
like to play.

Jason (40:27):
Rob.

Erick (40:27):
Markman Jr, I know what you're looking at over here.
You like this Do you like thered on there.
You know what?

Jason (40:33):
I'm saying it looks sharp man, hey this is a custom wrap
thing that I did on Amazon, soI'm not a complete noob to
wrapping, but this took me along time.
It took a minute.
It took me a few days to getthat done.
Oh yeah, yeah, man, all rightman.
So ROG that done.

(40:56):
Oh yeah, yeah, all right man sorog, so we got.
Let's go over the specs realquick to.
To wrap this one up, it has youmentioned, it has that, that,
that z2 processor, 24 gigs ofram, and it also has two usb-c
ports.
Man, it's got a usb4 type-c,which is technically a
Thunderbolt.
And what does that mean to you?
Thunderbolt means that you willget video and charging

(41:19):
capabilities on a single cablewhich is the next best, bro.
It's better than cream cheese,bro, I'll tell you.

Jeff (41:28):
I wonder where you're going with this.

Jason (41:31):
I didn't know where I'm thinking of something.
Come on, just come to me, yeah.

Erick (41:38):
Yeah, displayport 2.1 on there, with Power Delivery 3 and
Thunderbolt 4.
And then the second USB porthas DisplayPort 2.1 as well.

Jeff (41:49):
That's a piece of kit, man .

Erick (41:51):
Yeah, it's crazy.

Jason (41:56):
I'm telling you it's, it's crazy.
I'm telling you it's um, it'sawesome, it's awesome.
Imagine playing.
I again, be careful playing Iracing on a handheld.
So unless you got a wheel, likelike our boy here that had the
cameras, he did it right, youknow oh bro, straight up
grabbing the cranes, Rob Markman, I mean it's awesome.

Erick (42:15):
I'm very curious, Like I feel like I want to try that.
What are these capable?

Jeff (42:20):
of type of thing.
Yeah, yeah.

Erick (42:22):
I definitely want to try that.

Jason (42:24):
To explore what it may be like.
You could do that right now, Imean, even if you bought iRacing
and I'm speaking iRacingbecause it's one of the games
that you can download andinstall off the Steam server but
if you go into your account andyou go deep into the settings,
they will give you a free Steamcode to redeem it on Steam.

(42:48):
So that way you have aninstaller on Steam on your same
account.
So it's pretty successful.
Here's the other thing too.

Erick (42:57):
So the biggest thing that probably makes this one
different than the regular ROGAlloy 2 that's coming out is
this is going to be running aspecial stripped down version of
Windows, so we'll have noWindows UI.
It'll have a Xbox gaminginterface, like a little game
selection piece.
Which is cool, yeah, and thiswill, as far as resources go,

(43:18):
this will give you back up totwo gigs of RAM.
Oh wow, overrunning normalWindows, sure.

Jason (43:25):
Nice, I know, you know what, and the sky's the limit,
because there's a ton oflaunchers and mods that you can
install on these handhelds.
It's really incredible whatthey're doing.
They've come a long way andwith 3D printing, yeah, I'll

(43:45):
give you guys a little and we'llput this to rest.
But Eric mentioned the xboxelite controller and the elite
controller is known for magneticattachments like their d-pad,
and I created a mod that I well,I printed this 3d printed d-pad

(44:06):
and took a xbox controller andstripped the magnets out and got
their d-pad and it's hotswappable with the uh, the
curved out and got their D-padand it's hot swappable with the
curved one.
And there you go.
If you want, like a circleD-pad for fighting games, I'll
tell you, man, my brother and Imy brother is we're street

(44:27):
fighter guys and every time Isee him he's like bro, did you
bring a controller?

Jeff (44:33):
What type of stupid question is that?
Rob Markman, the.

Jason (44:36):
Kidz, bo.
It'd be late at night.
The kids are bed.
We had a few drinks now and wethrow on the Street Fighter.
That's it.
Just beat the living shit outof each other all night.

Erick (44:47):
Rob Markman.

Jason (44:48):
The Kidz BO.
That's classic fun, man.
So yeah, man, let us know whatyou guys think you got plans to.
You know, take a plunge intothe handheld.
I know sim racing.
Again, this is another topic.
It's still related becausethere's still sims out there
that are controller compatible,that are really like truck sim

(45:10):
is beautiful on controller AMS2,you know single player, they
have trucks in there.
You could do that.
You have flight simulatornon-sim racing, but it's the
power is there.
The power is there and, likeJeff said, when there's a will,
there's a way.
If you don't have room for a PC.

(45:31):
If you can't afford a PC thisis 500 bucks.

Erick (45:36):
So one more addition right, so that USB 4 port.
They actually are going to sella device eGPU.
If you don't know what that is,that's an external GPU where
you can plug up a beefier GPU tothis thing.

Jason (45:49):
You put a freaking eGPU yep a 4090 right next to it with
fans and shit, and then it'splugged in.
Yeah, yeah man.

Jeff (45:58):
They exist right now.
They have them.
Where there's a will, there's away that's it.

Erick (46:02):
Oh yeah, man, that's dope , there's options, that's dope.

Jason (46:05):
That's it.
I mean, that's got to be sick.
So if you're a person on the goa lot and you don't feel like
fleshing out for a full-blown PC, bro, you get yourself a hooked
up GPU and this, and when it'stime to go on your business,

(46:26):
work whatever, unplug, throw itin the back, let's go.

Jeff (46:28):
F125 should be great on that.
I wasn't going to say it, but Iwas like man, that's like the
one place I think it would bepretty good.

Erick (46:36):
It would be pretty good.

Jason (46:37):
yeah, Play the story, you know yeah.

Erick (46:40):
So just thinking about the endurance racing and the
different roles everybody played, imagine having that doc at
your house, put it to your rig,but it's not your turn to race
or you're not racing at all.
Right, you don't have time torace, you don't travel, but you
want somebody to be a spotter orengineer for you or something
like that, where they don't haveto actually race look and you
don't have to download any extrafiles.

(47:02):
You got all your.
You got your.

Jason (47:04):
Install iRacing what if you want to spectate the race?

Erick (47:07):
yeah, because you need to run iRacing to spectate you
could be spectating on the go.

Jason (47:12):
Yeah, and now airplanes, at least in Hawaii.
You know, I'm pretty sure wegot Starlink.
We could be hooked up to theinternet at full speed in the
middle.
Stupid fast In the middle ofthe Pacific.

Erick (47:28):
Yeah, man Spectating iRacing race on the go Back to
my statement.

Jeff (47:33):
We're living in the Jetsons.

Erick (47:34):
I'm telling you man Expectating.
I race and race on the go Backto my statement.

Jason (47:37):
We're living in the Jetsons.
I'm telling you, man, it's agreat time to be alive.
Unless you fall asleep on theairplane, it don't matter.
I'm pretty sure when we leavethis expo we're going to be dead
tired.
We ain't going to be able toput that man it was my pillow.
You always say sleep whenyou're dead, sleep when you die,
sleep when you die.

Erick (47:54):
After the conference All right.

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(48:21):
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Jeff (48:31):
All right.
So I was on the SimRacingSetupsFacebook page, or whatever you
want to call it group, and therewas a quite somebody made a
post and it was like one of the.
It was like oil and water Throwgasoline on a flame Like with
all the comments.

(48:51):
And I read it and I was likethis is a pretty straightforward
question, but boy did everybodyhave an opinion about it.
So this is kind of like adiscussion piece I guess you
could say is I'm gonna ask youguys a question and I'm curious
to see you guys' answer.
Okay, so you got a buddy comingover the house.
Okay, your goal is to get himinto sim racing, but you have

(49:18):
two 20 minute sessions to gethim hook, line and sinker into
sim racing.
What sim?
What track?
What car?

Jason (49:32):
Now remember hold on.

Jeff (49:32):
I just want to kind of explain this.
What track, what car?
Now, remember, hold on.
I just want to kind of explainthis.
You can put them in a supercool car, but if they don't have
the skill to do it, they'regoing to have a terrible
experience.

Jason (49:43):
Very, very good point.

Jeff (49:45):
So just be careful where you go with this.
You got two tries at it, Jason.
You look like you're ready tojump in here.

Jason (49:53):
Who wants to go first?
Man, Let me know.

Erick (49:55):
I mean I can go because I know what I'd do.
Okay.

Jason (49:58):
All right, and he just did it too.

Jeff (50:01):
The more interesting point is why.

Erick (50:03):
Yeah.
So literally having just hadsomebody who's never had
experience with one taking themthrough immediately ACC is
beautiful, but it's it's scary.
The force, feedback and stufflike that is can be kind of
scary.
So for me I'd say the first onewould be iRacing, simply

(50:26):
because just seeing his reactionand how close it mimics like a
real car, I think from a comfortlevel, getting them in and like
what car.
So he was in a Porsche GT3.
Oh shit.

Jason (50:41):
And like I said Just throw him in the deep end.

Erick (50:45):
Yeah, like he was in the deep end, but like I said, he
didn't.
You know the track wasn't supertechnical, but he controlled
the car.
He said he felt like he was ina real car, which to me, I think
that feeling is kind of whatyou're going for.
Right, that's part of it.
And for the second one, I don'thave triples but I do have VR

(51:08):
on PS5.
And that's the second thingthat I put him in, just if I'm
trying to hook, oh, I feel likeI'm in a real car a free taste
of the product, if you will yeah, exactly.
And then, like with the vr pieceis like this is another side of
this, where the you know theforce, feedback and everything.
The feeling isn't as one-to-oneor isn't as um high fidelity as

(51:33):
on the pc, but just the like,immersion is like over the top.
So.
So one gives you all theimmersion, one gives you all of
the kind of the feedback.

Jeff (51:44):
So you're saying basic same car, same track, same
iRacing, just one single screenin the other, vr.

Erick (51:51):
In GT7, I probably do like a road car.

Jeff (51:53):
Oh, so it's GT7.
I'm sorry I missed that portion.

Erick (51:56):
Yeah, and, and the reason why in VR kind of affects
people differently.
If I got one shot, I'm going toput you in something that's not
super fast I'm worried aboutyou getting sick and something
that's a little closer torealistic, so your time isn't
spent getting out the grass orrunning into walls.

Jeff (52:12):
Yeah, resetting the pits?
Okay, yeah, all right, jason.

Jason (52:26):
So for me it's a little different.
For me, I'll have questions foryou before I decide what I want
for you for you to know, like Iwant to know, what are you most
?
Do you like cars?
Obviously.
What kind of cars do you like?
Do you like fast, or do youlike immersion?
What are you looking for?
But if he said I don't know,just give me, just show me

(52:48):
something cool, whatever.
If we're going to go with thatlogic, just to keep it simple
here, because when Jeff cameover the house, the first sim I
threw him in was Formula One,because Formula One was what he
wanted to play, that's what hewanted to do.
And I threw him in there for alittle bit and then I said do

(53:09):
you want to see somethingrealistic, Do you want to see
something that?
Do you want to feel somethingcrazy?
And I put him in ACC, hookedhim ACC all the way.
His vision of F1 kind ofsunsetted a little bit.
When he got a sim, he played f1, but then he I was like this
shit's gone.
Yeah, then it was acc for likefor six to nine months yeah then

(53:33):
he got into iRacing and thenthe rest is history but if I had
to do it again, right, and Ididn't know this person's likes
or whatever I would put him in aregular ass road car in AC, in
a modded map, to show him howvast worlds we can be in,

(53:56):
something that a console can'tdo.
Not a shot to consoles.
But PC is the pinnacle of sim,it's the end game of sim racing.
It's kind of like the optionsare open to you If you're a GT7
racer.
Gt7 is great, you know, but ifyou want to expand it's really
hard to do that with a console.

(54:16):
So I will almost almost alwayssteer them away from the console
.
But if he tells me this simplething I can't afford a PC or rig
I say get, get a console, get,get um, get a VR headset, get AC
, get um GT seven and startthere.

(54:36):
And if you like it and that'swhat you like to do, then stay
there.
So that would be the first one.
And then it'll be in a slow carand an open world and a nice
modded, controlled environment.
That way he gets to see this iscrazy.
You get to see the grass andthe traffic and the graphics and
everything.
And then it'll go back tosomething like iRacing and I'll

(55:00):
throw him into a formula carwhere he's going to be scared to
death.
I'll probably throw him in anSF23 so he could probably see
whoa.
This is way different than whatI first tried out, whatever.

Jeff (55:15):
You can't just put your foot on the floor and you
actually need to use the brakeput your foot on the floor and
you actually need to use thebrake.

Jason (55:22):
Yeah, use the brakes, and then I'll jump them, I'll
bounce them around in differentcars.
You know, I'll start them atthat one.
Then, like, try, gt, try,nascar is a big one that I'm
trying to get into.
Uh, I'm not a big fan ofwatching it, but racing it is a
lot of fun.
I will say, um, racing it is adifferent experience, bro,
because you're on edge theentire time, bro.

(55:42):
Oh yeah, those left turns feelforever.
They feel forever.

Jeff (55:47):
Because they are forever.

Jason (55:49):
Yeah, they're forever so and you're only doing like
30-second laps, like Jeffmentioned previously, but they
feel forever.
You're not worried about howmany laps left.
You're worried about thisfreaking guy crashing me or
something or ramming me into thewall or you crashing yourself.
But I guess those are my two.

(56:10):
I mean, truck sim is verythere's a flavor.
Drifting is a high skill thing,Like you have to be into that
and then to to learn it.

Jeff (56:24):
They might get frustrated and be like I don't want to do
this, you know that is a highskill, like very niche, like hey
, I'm not sure I've knownanybody that not saying it.
There isn't anybody out therethat got into sim racing, just
to drift, I know know somebodyhonestly, yeah, I know people
that have.

Jason (56:41):
That's cool, but those are very, very low I want to say
low numbers compared to therest of us.
The rest of us are trying torace other people on track,
whether it be trucks, nascar,open wheel, indy GT, the numbers
are way bigger.
Drifting is not a competitionbetween each other.

(57:05):
It's about an experience.
I would say this is an opinion.
It's an experience that youhave with other cars that are
drifting with you, and it's ashit ton of fun.

Jeff (57:20):
So I'll give you mine.

Jason (57:21):
Yes.

Jeff (57:21):
It's kind of like, basically a combination of what
you guys were talking to, Ithink, when you put me into ACC,
that was, and I was terrible.
That was enough of like.
Hey, the visuals were so good,but the sound gave me this like
visceral experience, like, oh,this car is like angry.

(57:43):
You know, this is like I felt,like I was like had another
sense of like.
Oh, I'm not just driving likethe car, like the sound was just
head and shoulders above what Iever anticipated, but like the
force feedback was good, thedriving experience was good, the
visuals were good, um, it gaveyou like you were felt like you
and I was in your rig, jasonwith triples, which helps, but
you know, like which is part ofthe discussion like I felt like

(58:05):
I was in the car, um, and itfelt like I was really in the
experience, um, so that would beone, and it'd be on a shorter
track, something that you couldmemorize pretty quick in 20
minutes, so you could kind ofknow what was coming and you
could kind of set up outside,dive into the line.
You know you could do a littleof the the race craft if you
will yeah, you don't want tothrow them on the nords bro yeah

(58:27):
, yeah, good luck, buddy.
See you in 20 minutes, you knowsee you two minutes yeah, um,
and then I think the other onewould be like a a3-ish car, some
type of sports car in a set ofCorsa content manager in VR, or

(58:49):
you could just do like a olderformula car, but I would put the
headset on them and they wereoutside the rig, so they put the
goggles on and they see the car.

Jason (59:01):
You can kind of like maneuver around it and look at
the car and walk into it, andthen you can kind of like push
them to the seat and then theyget in.

Jeff (59:08):
Like you have that, I am stepping into the car.
You're not just press a button,you're dropped in it.
Like you get to build that,like holy shit.
Like I'm in the car, like I'mstepping into the car, like
you're attached to it, like inthe air force.
We always say like, oh, like Istrap the jet onto me, I don't
get into the jet, I strap thejet onto me like you are

(59:30):
strapping the car onto you asyou step into it and you are
like in the game, uh, or in thesim, you know, attach the car,
um.
So I think I'd do something likethat where they could look at,
look around the car and see theshifter and the, you know the
dash, um, and then just drivesomething.
It could be like a canyon drive, for for all intents and
purposes, doesn't have to be arace, but just something that

(59:51):
gives them the eric, like yousaid, like the, the immersion of
vr, and just be like whoa, likethis is something I never
experienced before.
This is in your house, this isobtainable to have in your house
.
Yeah Right, a little research.
You don't have to jump all theway in, but with a PC and a VR

(01:00:13):
and a wheel and base, you couldhave this in your house.
So those are my two 20-minutepolls, jason you go ahead.

Jason (01:00:19):
The beauty of this.
This man, I'm just thinking tomyself and I'm like, when you
came over the house, I didn'thave a butt kicker, I didn't
have that did at all.
That has a lot right I didn'thave an active pedal.

Jeff (01:00:34):
I didn't have a winsim, I didn't have many to show you
don't need that stuff tooInteresting, you don't?

Jason (01:00:41):
really need them, yeah.
But then when you add thatstuff, it's kind of like a reset
moment, like now I need to tryall the Sims all over again
because I have a book.
Tell me, I bet you anything.
You went into Rally, you wentinto into formula, you went into
everything again to see how,how you felt about it again.

(01:01:03):
Then you add the lights right,you had the um ambient lighting
and then you're like I wonderhow this would react with this.
And it's kind of like you, yougrow with your simulator in a
way.
You know it doesn't matter ifEric showed somebody and he only
has a single screen.

(01:01:24):
Or, in my case, I have a VRheadset, but it's not for me.
I mean, if they, I guess youguys make sense by putting them
in the VR, huh.

Erick (01:01:36):
Just giving them a taste of what's possible the spectrum
of what's out there?

Jeff (01:01:41):
Yeah.

Jason (01:01:42):
Because they may feel different about it than I do.
This makes sense.

Jeff (01:01:47):
So, that's a great question, man, because for those
that are listening, put in thecomments.
If you had two sessions to giveyour buddy to get him into sim
racing, what would your twosessions be?
Throw it in the comments there.

Jason (01:02:11):
We're super interested, or send an email for the price
of 75 or f125.
That's a good.
You got three days that you canexperience it all.
Oh, yeah, yep, right, and yougot three whole days.
You might have to fight somepeople in the lines and you know
some elbowing this guy For themotion rigs.

Jeff (01:02:26):
Yeah, but you also get to talk and hang out with the
people, right?
I think the people is likeprobably 51% of why I want to go
, and 49 is the motion rigs andactive pedal.
Let's be honest, yeah, I thinkit's just gonna be awesome to
hang out with like-minded peoplethat are there to you know,
just passion, as you are yeah,yeah, active pedal.

Jason (01:02:47):
Jeff, you're welcome here anytime, bro.
Anytime it's right here it mayhave some dog shit residue on
there, but it's welcome here.

Jeff (01:02:57):
It's legitimately like three miles that way not that
way it's like a mile and a halfmaybe, maybe less yeah yeah,
maybe.

Jason (01:03:07):
Yes, I remember I remember jeff flying his drone
on new year's and my drone wasin the air and I was trying to
find him.
But yeah, jeff was kind offlying through some obstacles,
let's just leave it there.

Jeff (01:03:21):
I was like if I don't see you again.
It's been a hell of a run, yeah.
Send him like into thefireworks, like into the
fireworks.

Jason (01:03:30):
Okay, good, he's comfortable talking about it,
cause the damn drone wasliterally inside explosions,
basically.
And then he was flying, it waspanning out and the explosions
was going.
I was like this drone is goingto die, bro, the drone is going
to be so done.
But anyways, that was a longtime ago, so we can't be liable.

(01:03:51):
Anyways, it's that time it'sthat time what?
Time it's that time for Trackof the Week.
And this week is Mr Kelly, MrKelly, what you got for us, man.
What did you come up with?
What is the deal today?

Erick (01:04:06):
So the deal today is a little track you guys might be
familiar with.
It is called lime rock, okayPark, yep.

Jason (01:04:16):
So we back in the back in the back in the us again, the
us of a, an iRacing favorite itlooks like we don't change
tracks in the us, we just makeit and say, hey, man, deal with
it well, it's because it doesn'tlook.

Jeff (01:04:31):
It doesn't have time for you right now.
We ain't got time for this yeah, we can't behave, then take
your ass home.

Jason (01:04:37):
We ain't changing the track.
We're not adding chicanes, Ifit's anything.
We want to go faster.
Yeah, if it's fast.

Erick (01:04:43):
Hey, but did you die though?
That's the question, okay.

Jason (01:04:50):
America's just known for being just balls to the wall,
dude oh yeah, man.
If we can get a faster car inhere, we will put it on this
track.
It don't care how small it is.
We were landing Concords onfreaking airports that didn't
fit a damn Concord.
We were like, yeah, we landedthere, don't?

Erick (01:05:06):
worry about it.

Jason (01:05:07):
It'll be fine.
Just pump the brakes.

Erick (01:05:09):
I'm telling you man, you're going to use them brakes,
you're going to use theirsteering wheel.

Jason (01:05:15):
Air freaking, air brakes, all kinds of shit.

Erick (01:05:18):
What does?

Jason (01:05:19):
this look like.
This looks like a pork chop tome.

Erick (01:05:22):
Yeah, I'm a little happy too.

Jason (01:05:24):
Or a tomahawk, okay, a tomahawk.

Erick (01:05:30):
A little cleaver.

Jason (01:05:31):
I don't know where this trend came from, but this is
track of the week, it's kind oflike when you sit with a shrink.
I've never been to a shrink Putit out there right now.

Jeff (01:05:41):
Not that there's anything wrong with them.

Jason (01:05:42):
No, there is not, but you know how they put the things
and see-.

Jeff (01:05:46):
Oh, like the ink.
Yeah, yeah, tell me what yousee.
Yeah, yeah.

Jason (01:05:49):
And I'm like motherfucker , I see a pork chop man, I'm
hungry.

Erick (01:05:53):
Hey, I can see that.

Jason (01:05:56):
All right, well, have at it, bro.
I'm sorry I can't help it.
I'm getting hungry now.

Erick (01:06:06):
I was about to say you got me thinking now, what am I
going to eat for dinner tomorrow?
But yeah, so this is Lime Rock.
It opened in 1957.
Like I said, this is in the US,so this guy's in Connecticut.

Jason (01:06:18):
Lakeville.

Erick (01:06:18):
Connecticut.
Yeah, so it gets a littlechilly up there sometimes.
Interesting fact so this trackis owned by Skip Barber.

Jason (01:06:31):
Really.

Jeff (01:06:32):
Skip.
Barber Racing School, this guysold milk and he got two tracks
out of selling milk.
Look, this is some bullshit.

Jason (01:06:41):
We didn't plan this.
We did not plan this at all.

Erick (01:06:45):
This was not planned.

Jeff (01:06:47):
This is the dude that sold milk, yeah.

Erick (01:06:49):
This is the milk guy.
The milk man.
The milk man, when we talkabout somebody who is dead set
on racing, and I mean singlehandedly two great tracks.

Jason (01:07:02):
He don't take no for an answer, bro.
That's what that sounds like.

Erick (01:07:05):
Nope, and money is unlimited.

Jason (01:07:09):
I guess, so I'm in the wrong industry.

Erick (01:07:12):
Bro, I'm telling you, man , I'm doing it so wrong right
now, what am I doing?
Get you that milk truck man.
I know man I'm starting to sellmilk.
Man.
I know man Start selling milkin Hawaii.

Jason (01:07:22):
I'm telling you hey, man, you want some milk.

Erick (01:07:26):
That'll be $54 million.
$54 million Donation, exactly,yeah.
So this track, obviously,looking at it it's a pretty
simple track, only seven turnson it, it's one and a half miles
, so nothing too strenuous.
But it's a fun kind of roadcourse style track, as Jason

(01:07:47):
said.
You know a track we've raced alot on iRacing and you know you
can get up to 140 to 160 mileson it depending on the car
you're racing, so get somedecent speed on there.
Some of the main events theythat they host on there.
They have the emza weather techsports car championship, they
have the michelin pilotchallenge, uh, trans am series,

(01:08:12):
uh, skip barber racing schoolprogram.
So they do some training onthere as well and just have
other uh, just like events andautocross stuff and track days.
So just a well-used, like,well-rounded track.
Um, I know, for me I don't knowabout you guys, but the turn,
it kind of sticks out of my head.
I don't know if it's becauseit's the first one and the most

(01:08:34):
dangerous one.
Uh, it's called big bend, soyou can see it there at the
front.
There In my mind it's thehandle to the tomahawk, the
little kind of cameraman styletomahawk there.

Jason (01:08:48):
You got to get this turn right, dude.

Jeff (01:08:51):
It sets up for the next half of the track.
If you don't hit that one, yourlap is basically crushed.
Yep, your lap is basicallycrushed.

Erick (01:08:58):
Yep, and it's kind of deceptive because you're going
in like you got the diving turnhere, where you're saving off
some speed to make that turn,but going in the big bend you're
wide open.

Jeff (01:09:11):
Do you guys have to lift in a driving turn in the BMWs?

Erick (01:09:14):
Depending on the car yes, yeah, it depends on the car.
Yes, yeah, it depends on thecar.

Jason (01:09:18):
Yeah, in the BMW I have to basically climb on top of the
curb, do a slight brake liftbecause there's a huge runoff
right up here.

Jeff (01:09:30):
Yeah, you do get them.
Yeah, it's a huge runoff, Ithink, in the F4, you can keep
it-.

Jason (01:09:35):
You probably flat that out Keep it flat.

Erick (01:09:37):
Yeah, yeah, it makes sense.

Jason (01:09:39):
And make it fun, though Make it way more fun if you do
that.

Erick (01:09:43):
Oh yeah, it's scary in the BMW Because, like I say,
it's one of those kind of likealmost kind of technical things.
We have to figure out the rightcombination of lift braking
weight.
Make sure you're not like doingtoo much weight transfer when
you lift off.
Being gentle, you can mess itup.

(01:10:03):
Yeah, because if you mess it.

Jason (01:10:05):
that's exactly right.
If you mess it up, if you're amillimeter off, then you're
going to find yourself slowingdown even further, maybe
downshifting, and the other carnext to you is going to fly by
you.
That is a famous overtakingspot right there, very famous.

Erick (01:10:24):
You can tell the guys that can drive from the guys
that can't.
That's straight.
It's just like people juststart teleporting past you.
It's like what's going on, butyeah.

Jason (01:10:33):
Draft too they get you.

Erick (01:10:34):
Oh yeah, some of the big historical moments, obviously
like I said 1957.
Yeah, draft too, they get you.
Oh yeah, yep.
And so some of the bighistorical moments obviously,
like I said, 1957 Lime Rock Parkopened with an SCCA race and it
became a New England stapleafter that.
You know, after there's a lotof other tracks up there, but

(01:10:55):
you know it stuck around as longand so obviously it's kind of a
cornerstone up there.
Um, in 1959, carol Shelby uhraced there before retiring as a
driver.
Uh, so they've had some famouspeople kind of support the track
as well.
And so, uh, one of the things Iwant to get to was this seems
to be an ongoing theme with kindof tracks in the us.

(01:11:19):
So it seats around 50 000, butthis is with a large open grass
area, right, so no biggrandstands, just like a large
grassy area where people can sitI'll tell you he does not
believe in grandstands.

Jason (01:11:35):
He wants people to stand.
He's like man.
Listen, we blew.
We blew the wine on the trackwe can't afford the grandstands
right now.

Jeff (01:11:42):
Stop it bring your own cooler, bring your own chair the
beach chair and the coolerthat's.

Jason (01:11:47):
Hell yeah, yeah, I'll be dude, I'm set dude, you're
malabama, come on yeah he's likey'all gonna tip the grass out
here.

Erick (01:11:54):
Okay, no job doing, but yeah.
So a beautiful track, and oneof the first games to feature
this track was actually iRacingback in 2004.

Jeff (01:12:08):
Oh, that makes sense.
Yeah, it's not a super populartrack and a quick alibi.

Jason (01:12:11):
Same thing with Barber Motorsport.
It was first featured iniRacing as well, so iRacing for
the win, definitely.

Erick (01:12:22):
And so iRacing actually put out a little kind of I don't
know if you call it an homage,but they put out a then and now
of how Lime Rock looked when itfirst came out versus how it
looks it says now.
But the now, I believe, waswhen was this?
Five years ago.

(01:12:43):
Five years ago, so not quite a-.

Jason (01:12:47):
I'm pretty sure they updated it further.

Jeff (01:12:50):
Yeah it's 10 years of development from iRacing right.
You said 05 to 15?
.

Erick (01:12:56):
Yep, so to 2019.
Wow, yep, so to 2019.
Wow, so they'll skip barbercom.

Jason (01:13:11):
It's a line rock club.

Erick (01:13:11):
You can see the road texture.

Jeff (01:13:13):
Oh yeah, the texture, for sure, it's light years ahead of
that too, now, yeah, yeah.

Jason (01:13:19):
Because now we have foliage yeah, so the grass is
actually standing, it's not flat, it actually moves.
Okay, that looks a littlebetter, but yeah yeah these this
these tracks got updatedfurther so yeah, but it's cool
to have uh, you know yeah, itwas.

Erick (01:13:40):
The thing that was interesting to me was obviously
I'm going to mute this guy whilewe're talking but obviously,
being you know in some of theiRacing classes that I'm in the
D classes, this track comes up alot.
It's a simple track.

Jeff (01:13:55):
I love the chicane, yeah, yeah the chicane is fun dude
chicane.

Erick (01:14:04):
Yeah, yeah, it's fine.
Um, but seeing the the then andnow, but the now being from
2019, it let me see like, oh,iracing has updated the crap out
this track.
He was just 2019.
Yeah, I could barely recognizeeven the now versions of the
track compared to what I've beenracing, you know, here on mine.
So, uh, you know we kind oftalk about iRacing being a lot
of money and the subscriptionmodel or whatever, but you're

(01:14:24):
getting that's not comparable.

Jason (01:14:29):
Yeah, look at this.

Erick (01:14:31):
Yeah.

Jason (01:14:35):
Dude.
Look at the tire on the bottom.

Erick (01:14:37):
Yeah, compared to the tire.
Honestly, iracing has taught meto forget on the bottom.
Yeah, compared to the tire.

Jason (01:14:40):
So I don't honestly.
Iracing has taught me to forgetabout the visuals and go for
feel and go for realism.

Erick (01:14:49):
Yeah, but even the visuals like the visual details.

Jason (01:14:52):
The visuals are way better.
They're still there.
Yeah, that's what you're payingfor this right here.

Erick (01:14:59):
Yeah, this part here, it's not coming out in.

Jason (01:15:02):
Q2 of 26.
You know what I'm saying.

Erick (01:15:07):
Not one day.

Jason (01:15:10):
It's complete, but then it's not complete.
No, this is you.
I paid what?
$15 for the track and I getunlimited.

Erick (01:15:19):
basically, development that's being taken care of.
Yeah, yeah, every update it's,you know, and they're doing it
for the love of the game, asthey say.

Jeff (01:15:30):
Well, let's not.
They're doing it for the loveof the subscription plan too.

Jason (01:15:35):
And there's also the money, yeah.

Jeff (01:15:38):
You know, yeah.
Taxpayer money.
But it's good right they doupdate it they're.
They're not just sucking youknow, sucking you down every
month for you know your fees andstuff.

Jason (01:15:47):
They're giving it back to you with updates, the tracks,
yeah, cars, except that's theproblem with iRacing is that the
more you use it, the more yourely on.
The more you rely on it, themore it hooks into you.
You're pot committed, literally.
Yeah.

Erick (01:16:03):
The hooks are in, man.

Jason (01:16:04):
Yeah, I'm telling you, I got Formula taken care of, which
could be a little better, gtRacing, 100% taken care of.
And now I'm looking at NASCAR.
That's three types.
Come on, dude, you know, eventhough the NASCAR tracks are are
gonna be a nice stab in the gutbut.

Jeff (01:16:25):
But even that I mean they're survive.
They just have the multiplayerthing down yeah let's like it,
let's not.
You know, hand wave the factthat it is totally different
getting on the line in an airace versus with a human.
It's just different, right?
Yep, whenever when you couldhear the other person say, hey,

(01:16:46):
good luck everybody, and you'relike it's about to get all it's,
we're getting on you know yeahso you know that one what the
yeah and they got, they have andthey're fighting.

Jason (01:17:00):
I'm trying so hard not to laugh.

Jeff (01:17:02):
I'm like damn, as long as it's not you.
You're like sucks for you,idiot.

Jason (01:17:05):
Oh, if it's me I'd be getting upset, but like, what
are you talking to?

Erick (01:17:09):
So the funniest thing is getting in a race and you just
hear a guy come on the car.
Please, please, everybody, slowdown at turn one, please.
Just begging Like do everybodyslow down at turn one please?

Jeff (01:17:22):
just begging like do not ruin the race at turn one.
Come on, all right, since we'retalking about this, I'll never
forget my first time doing anascar race and we're on the
start line after qualifying andyou know, we're in the pits
getting ready to get the greenlight and I hear somebody go hot
and they're like down on thecorner and they lift off and
somebody else is like hot in thestreets.
Everybody, for like four people, five people just kept the song

(01:17:44):
going.
Well, I was like we areabsolutely in nascar right now,
like to uh t.

Jason (01:17:50):
It was awesome so that's what I mean.
Like, just think about what youjust said.
Just multiple cultures in thesame sim, yeah, Multiple sides.
I can meet another personthat's playing iRacing and he
will know nothing about GT Worldor he'll know nothing about the

(01:18:10):
form, but then he's like yo butin NASCAR you don't want to
come in and that's my game,that's my world.
You know you.
Come in here, you show somerespect, you, you know you come
in here, you show some respect.
You know around these parts,yeah, the Iowa Speedway is mine.
You got to stay away.

Jeff (01:18:25):
I got the lab record.

Jason (01:18:27):
That's it, you know, and I love that.
That's awesome.

Jeff (01:18:37):
And I think another thing is and I know we're jumping on
the iRacing thing here, but likeyou, never hear about a pro
racer- being like oh, I'm anAMS2.
And I'm an AMS2.
And I'm an AMS2 guy, right?
You never hear about a proracer saying, oh, I'm an LMU.
These are facts.
You don't have to like them.

Jason (01:18:50):
The fact of the matter is the pro drivers.
They drive the cars in reallife and we don't, and, we don't
, and we don't, and I don't carewhat articles you read Motor
Trend, listen, stop, stop it,just check yourself real quick
Daniel, morad Daniel.

(01:19:11):
Morad is iRacing.
There's another guy I forgothis name.
He's a real F4 driver iRacing.
Oh, that guy Tony Kanaan.
That guy iRacing.
Oh, that guy Tony Kanaan.

Erick (01:19:20):
That guy iRacing.
What's his name?
It's Max Verstappen.
Yeah, Max Verstappen.

Jeff (01:19:24):
What does he drive he?

Erick (01:19:25):
has a couple hours Max.

Jason (01:19:26):
Verstappen, not just Max Verstappen, piastri, you have
Kimi.

Jeff (01:19:32):
Nors.

Jason (01:19:33):
Kimi, nors, kimi, and I can just see the comments down.

Jeff (01:19:43):
Oh I racing, fanboys, all that other stuff, but yeah, I
mean or or um I renting.
Yeah, there's some, but don'tbe right.

Jason (01:19:46):
Isn't life rented, though ?
I mean seriously, do we, do we?
What do you keep when you die?
Nothing, you mean keep theclothes in your, like this
jersey.

Erick (01:19:57):
Hey, jeff the ultimate description.

Jason (01:19:58):
Ultimate description If I happen, God forbid.
You know what I'm saying.
You want this jersey.

Jeff (01:20:05):
I'll wash it a little bit.
We'll rock that sucker.

Erick (01:20:07):
Yeah, oh man but.
I will say this One thing thatI noticed that I really miss
whenever I go on GT7, right, iswhat you were talking about,
Jeff, Just the connection to theother drivers.
Because if GT7 had open micswhere you can just kind of

(01:20:28):
everybody was in a room together, that will really change the
way you raced, right.
But in our racing, like you'rein there and it's like you're
saying Jason, you're in thatworld, like I'm in gt world,
like you guys talk about nascarand like I didn't.
I don't even know beast yeah Idon't, I don't see them, I don't

(01:20:50):
.
You know, I set my littlefilter.
What do I own?
What's my class?
And I'm just in my world, andso just the fact that you can
enter into these worlds andyou're immediately in there with
real people, you can take abreak.

Jason (01:21:02):
Yeah, you can take a break and venture off and see
what else is out there.
You could do dirt oval.
There's also that.
There's also rally.
Cross the sky's the limit withthis thing.
Yes, it costs money, but sodoes Starbucks, and so does rent
, and so does mortgages, and sodoes light.

Erick (01:21:20):
That's what I said.

Jason (01:21:21):
Is this life not rented?
Because even if you own yourhouse, you got to pay a light
bill.
It's coming every month.
You don't own nothing.

Jeff (01:21:31):
Nothing Over and over and crew race what you like there
you go Whatever you like.

Erick (01:21:37):
Race what you like, race it what you like what makes you
happy.

Jeff (01:21:40):
Whatever you like, race it .

Jason (01:21:41):
What you like what makes you happy, but before judging
something, please try it.
That's what I would say.

Jeff (01:21:47):
I wish.
I tried it a long time ago.

Jason (01:21:50):
Don't let the fact that iRacing costs money deter you
away from an experience that youmay not know.
That is there for you.

Jeff (01:22:00):
I was intimidated by it.
It's not perfect.

Jason (01:22:02):
The sim ain't perfect.
We can't speak like it'sfreaking perfect, because it's
not.
There's a lot of things that Iwould love to see, but comparing
the package all together, it'sunrivaled right now, and this is
July.
We're about to start July of 25.
Unrivaled right now, and thisis July.
Or you know, we're about tostart July of 25.

(01:22:22):
2026, acedo Corsa could becompletely destroying iRacing
and we're over here bashing it.
But that's evolution, right.
Life is about the experienceand growing and changing with it
, because that's what life is.
You know.
We grow, we change, we likesomething new.

(01:22:43):
As a kid, you eat a shit ton ofketchup and then, when you grow
old, you're like fuck, I ain'teating no damn ketchup, bro,
leave me alone.
You see what I'm saying?
You can't really.
There is no bias.
Everybody has their own bias,but there is no full 100%.
This is the pinnacle today.

(01:23:05):
Tomorrow, gta might come out onthe PC and just completely take
us by the storm.
Highly doubt it.
Yeah, we can dream, but we candream, we, yeah.

(01:23:26):
So this was a great, this is agood.
This is the conversations Ilike, because it's not a
conversation to entice you tospend money.
It's us trying to open yourmind to different um experiences
that are out there, because Idon't gain nothing by you
signing up for iRacing.
Do you see an affiliate?
I wish iRacing.
Please, nim Cross, hook thebrother up.
Listen, I would love to be anaffiliate because I can not that

(01:23:50):
I can sell you iRacing, but Ican tell you how amazing it is.
We can tell you how amazing itis and how much fun we've had
with a sim, and when that $10bill comes around, I couldn care
less.
First of all, I pay year aroundanyway, so I'm locked in that's
the truth.

(01:24:12):
And when black friday comesaround, it's recharged.
Right again, right, jeffrecharge oh yeah, and if they,
you know, and, and if thingschange, then it's like
everything right, everything.
Nothing is built to last.
This is a life lesson.
Nothing that we own or createis built to last a lifetime.
So enjoy it while you have it,enjoy it while you're here, and

(01:24:37):
that's it the experience youcan't beat.
Experiences, experiences andmemories to me are worth more
than objects.
That's hands down.
You can buy a simulator, hookit up and never turn it on.
Or you can buy a simulator anddrive the living shit out of it
and be like yo.
Five years ago I was bangingout 24 hours a day.

(01:25:01):
I was doing all kinds of stuffwith this thing.
I had my time in it.
Yeah, I used to ridemotorcycles.
That's a big one.
Oh yeah, I did a lot of thingson a motorcycle and did a lot of
things.
But then after a while I justkind of said I had my time with
it and that was a great time andthat's it.

(01:25:24):
I moved on, rob.

Erick (01:25:26):
Markman.
Yeah, I agree, experiences, robMarkman, even though she's
still in the garage, though.

Jason (01:25:33):
She's still there.
She's cleaning in the chip.
Anyways, experience iseverything experiences.
So don't limit yourself.
If you're an LMU fan, stay anLMU fan, but if you've never
tried iRacing or ACC or AC, trythem.
Give them a try give them a trywhenever you can.

(01:25:54):
I know you still gotta buy thegame, but when you can 100%, try
it out.

Erick (01:25:59):
Still got to buy the game , but when you can, yeah, catch
it on the sale and 100%, yeah.

Jeff (01:26:02):
Try it out, that's it.

Jason (01:26:04):
Try it out.
There's many ways you got Steamsharing.
If you got a friend that hasSteam, he can share the games
with you and be like hey, youwant to try the game out real
quick.
That's totally legal, totallythere for you to try.
So where there's a will's a way, as we saw with the rog, I

(01:26:24):
can't wait to see what thatthing does on the to the market.
Nintendo is probably.

Erick (01:26:29):
Yeah, feeling that pressure yeah, not, not worried
because you'll never, probablynot worried.
They got the mario card andstuff, but I was about to say
you'll never drive mario onthere, yeah that mario tire,
wear that tire.

Jason (01:26:42):
So anyways, guys, round table closing this one down.
Do we got?

Jeff (01:26:48):
anything, nothing.
Man drive fast and break lateall right, gentlemen, that's it.

Jason (01:26:54):
Don't hate us, love us.
Send us an email at the chicanepodcast at gmailcom, like
comment, subscribe and with thatguys have a great start of your
week, thank you.

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