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Episode Transcript

Jason (00:00):
Hello and welcome to the Chicane Podcast where we discuss
all things in the simracingworld.
I'm your host, Jason Rivera,and I'm joined here by Mr.
Jeff Smart.
How's it going, Jeff?

Jeff (00:10):
Dude, it's going.
It's going, man.
I I got in the rig a lot thisweek.
Um, it was, you know, way morethan normal.
But uh, how about you?
Do you drive at all?

Jason (00:20):
I have done zero driving.
I've been slaving away, rowingaway, if you may, on the
computers and getting everythingready.
Um, just a small update.
I started putting out videosrecently.
I have a new guide for theSimHub control mapper.
And I also have my first videoreview on the belt tensioners,

(00:42):
which, speaking of, we're gonnagive you an actual live deep
dive here on the show, which wasa part of the plans here is to
kind of follow up here and seehow you're doing with it.
You know what I'm saying?
Because Jeff and I we're prettymuch on the same playing field
uh when it comes to rigs.
There's only subtle differencesuh from our machines, but I

(01:05):
think it'll be good, man.
What about you?
Uh did a lot of racing.
I heard some F3 or F4shenanigans happen uh this week.

Jeff (01:12):
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I it's you know, if youlisten to the last episode, um
I took uh made some poor lifedecisions and made a uh kind of
did some I got into practicesbut didn't do qualifying.
So I eventually came in lastfor a lot of races and lost a
lot of I rating before Irealized that should be on
something you don't do.
Um so I had to get into an F4class that was like very bad

(01:38):
strength of field, and it waslike pile up in turn one.
So um it was like survival ofthe fittest.
I was like, just just finishthe race, build some eye racing
so I can get out of the get outof these races.
But uh it's still fun.
It's still fun.

Jason (01:52):
That's what I was about to say.
You took it out of my mouth.
Like, did but did you have funthough?
That's the most importantthing.

Jeff (01:57):
Like I was like more nervous in that race than I
bitted at a lot of other onesbecause you're like just you
don't know what's heck gonnahappen out of every car, like
cars sliding off, and it waslike wet.
They were had like you know,the it wasn't raining, but they
had like standing water on thetrack, so it just added to a
race that probably didn't needto be as interesting as well.

Jason (02:17):
Um I see some subtle upgrades over there.
You look a little sharper.
Um, I am noticing it a lot hereon the on the show, and usually
on the show, the the previewwindows are not the greatest.
Sometimes, yeah, sometimes wehave problems with that, but
yeah, some upgrades over there.
Highly appreciate that.
Um, trying to make the showlook a little better.

(02:38):
Um, I do have a few moreannouncements.
Um on the 18th of this of thismonth, obviously.
Um, we're planning on doing a10-hour race on the Nords, or
excuse me, a four-hour race onthe Nords.
So if you want to watch that,um, yeah, tune in on Saturday

(03:00):
morning for me.
And I was just thinking, wait,is the episode going to be live
by the time that they see thisand hear this?

Jeff (03:08):
But yes, I believe it should be.
Yes.

Jason (03:10):
We're trying to get better at announcing things, and
it'll coincide with yourschedule.
Now, this one will not.
At the time of this recording,the SimeCube 3 has been
unveiled.
Um and people know what it is.
We don't know what it is rightnow in this time and and and in

(03:30):
day and presence, but we willupdate you ASAP on what went
down and what's coming out.
So just gonna roll right into.
Yeah, go ahead, Jeff.

Jeff (03:41):
You guys no, I was about to say, I can't wait to.
I mean, um, you know, uh wouldlove to see start seeing some of
the Simicube 2s uh you know onthe open market as people get
generated up.
I hope so.

Jason (03:53):
Honestly, I I would still I would still wait, man,
because next month is BlackFriday.

Jeff (04:01):
Oh, 100%.

Jason (04:02):
I highly doubt Simicube is going to run out of stock
that fast.
I highly doubt it.
You know what I mean?
Maybe they have a deal or maybethey don't.
Um, but it in my opinion, theprice needs to come down, right?
If there is a successor, um,unless they're trying to keep
this one at the price point andincrease the price even further,

(04:24):
which I honestly I hope not.
Um, I I really hope not,because that's gonna hurt.
So you we're tapping in on theon the motion funds here.

Jeff (04:35):
So anyway, I think I think we got the uh the expos here
starting momentarily too, anyday now, right?

Jason (04:41):
The the expo starts on the 17th.

Jeff (04:44):
I don't know why I thought it was the ninth.

Jason (04:47):
We keep thinking it's a ninth because that's probably my
fault.
Uh and this is a correction onthe show.
I I think I mentioned lastepisode or the previous one,
can't remember, um, that theshow was starting on the ninth,
and it's because I speculatedthat Simicube was gonna unveil
the base at the expo, but that'snot the case.

(05:07):
They're unveiling it on just aprivate event, and then they're
gonna bring it to the to Germanyfor people to try it out, which
kind of it's kind of a kick inthe in the left foot here
because I wish they did that forthe uh US expo, but we got the
pedal.
We got to try the pedal, soit's gonna be the same type of

(05:30):
deal over there.
Um their their new um passivepedal.
But anyway, for today'sSindustry news update, a game
called Forza Horizon, and nowForza Horizon 6 has been
confirmed to be in Japan andJapan, excuse me.
And there's not much info onit.

(05:51):
Um again, we're still in themidst of waiting for the expo to
drop and news to come out.
So this week is a little slowon the on the news updates, you
know what I mean?
So I'll make sure to keep youeveryone updated here on as the
time goes on, on what thedetails on is, you know,
basically everyone's speculatingwhere it's gonna be at or what

(06:16):
kind of terrain.
Because, you know, they didForza Horizon 5.
Uh, the last one was in Mexico,but there's no possible way
that they can, you know, buildan entire Mexican map.
It's massive.
So they choose like differentlocations and kind of tie it
together.
Uh, what we do know is thatthere's a picture of Mount Fuji,

(06:38):
and a lot of people are happy.
See if we could do some Tokyodrifting on the on the Mount
Fuji up there, and uh it'll befun.
Some shenanigans up there.
Yeah, yeah, it would be.
It's not really a sim racingtitle, but it is a fun title, is
what I mean.
It's a it's a nice title foryou to kick back, relax, pick up
a controller.

(06:59):
Some people drift on there withwheels, but again, the five
versions of it, you know, andit's not really optimized for
wheel controls.
I'm sure someone in thecomments is gonna say, well, I
have a wheel and it worksperfectly fine.
That's a very small group ofpeople.
I mean, I've tried.
I I would love to run it on onmy setup, but it's just

(07:23):
something with the uh thesteering degrees is not adding
up, not matching up, you know.
It it's just it's just weirdlooking.
But anyway, that's that's anews update for this week.
And I guess I'll roll rightinto my topic today.

Jeff (07:38):
Let's get into it, bro.
We got two killer topics today.

Jason (07:41):
Hell yeah, we do.
So today I want to talk aboutbecause we keep mentioning Black
Friday, we keep mentioning theholiday.
Um, October is Techtober.
And I just want to get you guysprepared.
If you're in the market for aVR headset, we did make a VR
headset guide that's stillrelevant as of today, you know,

(08:05):
still still good to go.
And I don't see the need tobring it all the headsets in all
over again, right?
You guys can go back and watchthat podcast that we did.
I think it's guide to VR.
And I just want to add twoadditional headsets that
recently uh released on thestreets, and then there's others

(08:26):
that are releasing in December.
So let's go ahead and take alook at those.
I'm gonna share my screen.

Jeff (08:35):
There's some there's some uh really nice headsets that are
coming out here.
Oh yeah.
So this one included, thisone's already out there, but uh
go ahead.

Jason (08:46):
Look, they're already asking for my email.
I just got here, man.
Calm down.
So here's the big screen Beyond2.
It, you know, big screenstarted out with they basically
made an application.
They weren't really in themarket of making uh headsets,
and they made a V1 and now theyhave a V2.

(09:06):
And I'll just go ahead and readthe description here.
It says the Beyond 2 redefinesimmersion with next gen optics
delivering stunning edge-to-edgeclarity and a wide 116 diagonal
field of view.
It's packed with micro OLED, solet that word sink in.
Micro OLED displays here,displays and new capabilities

(09:30):
like adjustable IPD for ease ofsharing and eye tracking.
Now even lighter at just 107grams.
But I mean, they say 107 gramswith just the bare headset.
That's with no audio, that'swith no uh, I don't any any
other attachment that you canget with it.

(09:50):
So this is just a bear thing.
Uh you can, you know, you cancustomize your Beyond 2 with new
colors that they got.
We'll look at those.
And choose a custom fit cushionmade from the shape of your
face or a universal fit, whichis a first.
I'm I think it's a first.
I haven't seen that before, butusually the the first one, you

(10:12):
would have to have an iPhone,because it was an iPhone only
thing, and then you would haveto scan your face, send that
data in, and they would make youa mold right here.
See, around the plastic here.
This little rubber gasketthing.
So now we're gonna go over someof the options here.

(10:34):
Eye tracking to me is a must in2025 because eye tracking
allows for more performance forbasically the same hardware.
You know, when you introducephobiatic rendering, it you
know, it's it's super importantto consider having this because

(10:54):
you can get away with sometimesdouble the frame rate with the
same hardware that you alreadyhave in your computers.
So this price here is veryattractive.
I'm not sure if uh well, notthat it's attractive, excuse me.
Wrong choice of words.
It's a must, in my opinion.

(11:15):
So now our total cost is goingup just that much more, right?

Jeff (11:20):
So when we come I don't know if I could jump in, I have
a question really.
Eye tracking.
So you can control and click onthings with you know the you
with your eye.
What's eye tracking doing?
Why is it why is it worth 200bucks?

Jason (11:32):
So on the on the PlayStation, on the the PS, on
the PlayStation PSBR2, whatever,um I'm not sure if you can
click on things because I don'thave one.
Can't lie to you guys here, butI know that it will track your
eyes, your iris, and wheneverwherever your iris looks, it

(11:55):
will make that image look infull fidelity.
You know what I mean?
So right now I'm staring atthis camera lens, looking at you
all, and you're looking at yourlens too, Jeff.
Can you see crystal clear fromhere on out of your peripheral
view?
That's basically what phobiaticrendering is.
So this space around your face,uh, for those listening, you

(12:18):
know, if you if you look atyourself in the in the car,
don't crash the car.
First of all, bad example.
But just imagine, like, you'relooking straight ahead, you're
looking at the road, you can seeyour doors, but they're not in
full view.
You would have to physicallymove your face, move your face
and eyes to kind of focus in onthat.

(12:40):
And that's basically whatphobietic rendering is.
So you don't have to like,let's say you wanted to game in
4K or VR in 4K.
You don't have to have the fullfidelity on the sides, you
know, on the all the way on thebottom or whatever underneath
you.
Things that you're not reallylooking at can be blurred out.

(13:01):
But it must be done in a waythat you don't notice that
they're blurred out in a sense,right?
It has to be, it has to be um,how do you say, copacetic.
It needs to work with eachother.
It can't be like just thebottom portion of your screen
just looks like terrible orwhatever.
It has to have some sort ofscaling, which basically and

(13:23):
it's gonna be quick too, right?
It's gotta be fast, yes.
It's gotta be real fast, it'sgotta be faster than as fast as
you can look at something withyour eye, you know, which is
pretty damn fast.
We could change direction veryquickly.
So that's basically what eyetracking is, and I think it's a

(13:45):
must-have in 2025.
I mean, uh, especially withiRacing now, if if you're an
iRacer, they just added supportfor this, and I'm hearing great
things across the internet aboutit.
So, yeah, this is the funkycolor selections you you guys
can pick from.

Jeff (14:04):
Dude, these ones remind me of that dude on Star Trek.
I forget his name.
You know what I'm talkingabout?
I think so.
I don't somebody'll come upwith the name of whoever it is.

Jason (14:14):
I'm not a that was a while ago, bro.
Yeah, it was Star Trek, oraging art.
We're kind of putting in thethe age there.

Jeff (14:21):
So this one got me because I went all the way to like
about to hit the button.
That's just for the headset.
If you don't have they hit theyrequire, I'm gonna butcher the
name stations, room stations,ground stations, whatever.

Jason (14:36):
They're like these base stations that you have to buy,
and they're like retarding yeah,and they're like 200 a pop.

Jeff (14:43):
Yeah, you know, so whatever it is, now you're
adding 400 bucks to this thing.
So that started off reasonable,and now you're it's not so
reasonable anymore at thatpoint.
That's that was my only gripe,and I have heard nothing but
good things about big screen umand their products, but it's
also hard to it's a tough pillto swallow, dude.

(15:06):
Because you know, there's justso many, there's also so many
reviews out there of peoplegetting them from the
manufacturer to give reviews,and it I have to trust the
person first and know thempersonally before I'm gonna take
that, you know, straight nochaser as being, you know, I
don't know a lot of people thatwould call a spade a spade if
they got a product review, butfor real.

Jason (15:28):
So I mean, think about it.
You you start off with a baseprice here, and then you start
adding, you know, the cushion,which you gotta have a cushion,
bro.
I mean, come on, it it's gonnabreak your damn face off.

Jeff (15:43):
So well, you don't want you know light creeping through,
and that, yeah, that too, yeah.

Jason (15:49):
Or or it like scarring your face up, you know.

Jeff (15:53):
Fair.

Jason (15:54):
So if you look at these headsets that have a single
band, I mean, these guys arelight enough for it not to be so
bad, but think about it, it'sonly a single band that's
squeezing the headset onto yourhead, that's what's holding it
there.
So a headband, uh a band thatgoes in the middle of it, would

(16:14):
be a lot better sustainable.
So that way you don't have totighten it as much because you
have something that's being hungon on top of your head.
That again, personal opinion.
I'm pretty sure someone saysthat if they have one of these
and they've used it for 38 hoursand it's all good to go.
Uh so let me go through.

(16:35):
FOV is 116 degrees.
This one's a hard thing toexplain here.
It's just FOV is basically howmuch field of view, how much to
the sides and the center you cansee, and 116 is pretty damn
great.
Let's just say that.
That's pretty damn great.
So dual micro OLED displays.

(16:58):
So this thing has 13.1 millionpixels, you know, is packed into
two one-inch OLED displays.
That is insane for it to bethis tiny and basically have a
similar quality to what we'relooking at back here.

(17:20):
And I'm pretty sure Jeff uhJeff came over the other day and
he was like, dude, thesescreens very, very nice, very
nice, very nice.
So let's let's just run throughthe specs here.
This is a resolution, uh, 5120by 2560.
The contrast ratio, 500,000 toone.

(17:40):
Jesus.
Um this is an update one here.
Yeah, 90 hertz.
So good enough.
That is great.
90 hertz is the industrystandard.
That is this is the this is thebread and butter for VR.
You don't really need anythinghigher than 90.
Even 72, you would just get bywith 72, and I think that's the

(18:02):
minimum nowadays.
And then there's this the peakpixels per degree, right?
The 32 pixels per degree.
This is the steam trackingdevice that Jeff was talking
about.
These are the little stations.
So now this device, and we'renot grilling it, I'm just
comparing.
We're just comparing to theother the other headset that I'm

(18:25):
gonna talk about.
Um, it's not included, and youhave to go shopping for this
thing, and sometimes they'resold out, sometimes you had to
buy them used, and it could bemessy, you know.
So here's the track, the eyetracking.
Um, it's using advanced AI andcomputer vision research uh to

(18:46):
get you that, and it works onboth.
Um, it's got an interfacerunning on AMD and NVIDIA
graphics, so that got youcovered.
Then the adjustable IPD.
Dave Cam did an excellent videoshowing off this headset.
And shout out to him.
I'll leave a link because I didwatch that video and I found it

(19:07):
very interesting.
And when he started pointingout some of the things that I'm
sharing here, this is how I gotthe idea to throw in the other
headset and compare it to it.
You know what I'm saying?
So, minimum, this is the specs.
I mean, obviously, a 2070,which I would not call that
minimum.
I I would call that barelyscraping like everything on low,

(19:31):
like you don't even seeshadows.

Jeff (19:33):
What's the point of buying?
If you're gonna buy thisheadset, you're not you're not
running a uh a 2070.
That's a great point, Jeff.

Jason (19:40):
Like, yeah, because you're buying an OLED display,
right, on your face, and you'regonna have to turn down the
graphics, you might as well justsim race with a single monitor,
you'll be better off, you knowwhat I mean?

Jeff (19:55):
Honestly, or take the 1200 you're gonna put by on this
thing, buy a better graphicscard, and then just rock a quest
three for the meantime.
That's it, you know, becauseyou're you're just not gonna be
utilizing this thing nearly asgood as you could.

Jason (20:11):
And the thing about technology is you know, that's a
good point.
Because the thing abouttechnology is it's there's
always something new coming out.
There's always something newlike on the horizon.

Jeff (20:22):
I got one more one more point here that I think is is
for me is important is this isthis connects via um display
port.
I'm out of display ports.
You know, so interesting.
That it's it's right there,buddy.
Um display port 1.4.
Um, this is the uh or is umthese are the tech specs.

(20:46):
No, below it.
Oh, below.
Nope.
Anyways, if they I believe thisconnects.
I think this is close VR VRwide is.

Jason (20:59):
Oh, so it's calling for a display port.
Interesting.

Jeff (21:02):
You know, so I run a quest three and I'm drive 50-50 VR
versus triples, and I can getaway with a quest three because
it's uh USB-C.

Jason (21:13):
Right.

Jeff (21:14):
I I don't have another display port.
I'm you know dead in the water.
I can't even take off the topmonitor because that's just
HDMI.
So that's an absolute goes inthe agonculator when I'm looking
for another headset.

Jason (21:28):
So I I will say that you can purchase third-party
splitters, you can have themswitch back and forth if you
don't mind pressing a button,but then that's another cost,
you know, that just keep thatjust keeps building up on the
cost, right?
One of those switchers, if youwant a fancy one with a remote

(21:49):
controller, yeah, you're lookingabout 50 to 60 dollars, you
know.

Jeff (21:53):
And then NVIDIA surrounds, I'm sure, is gonna shit itself
if you try to use that.

Jason (21:57):
NVIDIA surrounds is gonna have a heart attack, though.
It's gonna have a freakinganeurysm.
Like it isn't, you're gonnahave to shut the whole thing
down.
Even without NVIDIA, justWindows itself, the the um
display management is atrocious.
I mean, with my triple 42s backhere, I plugged in a VR headset

(22:19):
and I used virtual display justtesting things out.
And as soon as I came out ofit, one of them was off, then
the other one would turn on,change resolution, then this one
would come on, the right onewould the left one would come on
and turn on and off.
And it was like testing eachmonitor, and it was driving me
insane.
It it took like 10 minutes.

(22:40):
I just straight shut down and Iwas like, uh, okay.

Jeff (22:43):
We'll start start this from scratch.
I just bring that up as a datapoint for people to make sure
that they're thinking about thattype of stuff if they're gonna
order a headset that requires auh display port.
All right, so this is comingout in December, and then
there's other options that Ithink if you order it now, you
get them in December becausewhen I was looking at it, it was

(23:04):
deliveries were November.
So I think they're kicking outbatches, at least for the big
screen.

Jason (23:09):
Oh, really?
Interesting.

Jeff (23:12):
Yeah, unless they push the whole thing back.
But I was I'm really looking inthese with how much I've been
driving uh in VR.

Jason (23:20):
Yeah, so they have a new um a new air model, I think it
was.
No, excuse me, I'm confusing.
So this is big screen.
Sorry about that, guys.
This is big screen.
So now what I want to share nowis the competitor.
And the competitor is PyMax,and Pi Max wants to chat, of

(23:45):
course.
Everybody wants to they want meto sign up for emails.
So they also have the DreamAir, which is an AK resolution,
and it's the world's smallestfull featured VR headset.
So I mean this.

Jeff (24:02):
What's full feature?

Jason (24:03):
Well, let's go and find out, shall we?

Jeff (24:05):
I mean, it's just like world first by a standard that
we're gonna make up, you know.
Come on, just just tell me.
You don't have to tell me thatyou're you know okay.

Jason (24:14):
So it's micro OLED, lenses by a Sony, pancake
optics.

Jeff (24:19):
I'm done with it.

Jason (24:20):
I know you bro.
You're kind of a Red Bull fan,man.

Jeff (24:26):
I'm slowly turning into one.

Jason (24:28):
I know.
We can't be friends after that.

Jeff (24:29):
So I'm sorry, not F1 friends for sure.

Jason (24:33):
So pancake optics, you know, from the future says here,
but in a quest three, that'sthe kind of optics that you're
using, is pancake um optics.
Inside out tracking.
So tracking is our way to makeyour VR journey smoother.
The headset tracks your head,your eyes, your controllers, and

(24:54):
even your hands if you wish.
I don't see anything about aneed for adding any third-party
nothing.

Jeff (25:02):
Um so yeah, this one have passed through.
That's a good question.
If it's tracking hands, Iimagine that it's gonna have.
I don't see any cameras onthere, but that doesn't mean
that they don't.

Jason (25:16):
Behind the lenses, probably.
I mean, yeah, for them to seeall this, it has to have
something.
Maybe they do have something.
You know, again, guys, this isall Shakeane Podcast is straight
up like live.
We don't plan this stuff.

Jeff (25:30):
And I don't yeah, and to kind of have a further
discussion here is uh I don'tbelieve pass-through is there
for sim racing.
We Jason and I, what is this,like maybe six months ago, we
put some effort into maximizingthe options that are that enable
pass-through where you couldsee um your VR, but you see your

(25:50):
screen, your your wheel handsand cockpit more or less.

Jason (25:55):
Oh, yeah.

Jeff (25:56):
We just couldn't crack it where it was like it looked good
enough.
It was just it did both shitty,you know?

Jason (26:03):
Yeah, because it it requires a super dark pitch
black room, and I mean darkerthan dark, bro.
Like they want you to be in aroom that's darker than like
being outside on a boat in themiddle of the ocean.

Jeff (26:21):
That's the kind of dark they want to be, and I'm pretty
sure it's and then a spotlighton the object that you want lit
up on the room.
And then you want a light onthe object.
All right, we're just not thereyet.
I hope we uh, you know, thatwould be great, but Pastor is
not on my list of requirementsfor VR at the moment.

Jason (26:38):
So I can't find the spec, so we'll we'll just move on.
I mean, the I do want to talkabout this headset, which is the
Crystal Super Micro OLED, whichagain they have the craziest
names for this thing.
Crystal super golden bundle,the Christors, the crystal, like
Jesus, the the Q-LED version.

Jeff (26:59):
It's hard to keep them straight, to be honest with this
company.
There's just too good.

Jason (27:04):
Yeah, these guys, these guys are pumping out products
like like there's no tomorrow,like for real.
So, in my like in my personalopinion, if I had to choose
between those two, I would gothis route.
And the reason is it's it'sit's heavy, it's a heavier
headset, it is a lot larger.
But then the thing is the poundfor dollar, right?

(27:28):
What are you getting in return?
So you get a look, I mean, lookat the resolution on this
thing.
Look at the same FOV, right?
116.
Let me see if we can integratedeverything.
It has it all, it's got audio,it's got the tracking, it's got
controllers.
You don't need to work, you buythis thing, you put it on, and

(27:51):
you go.
And the beauty is that thiscable right here, um, the
display port has a built-insplitter, right, ready to go.
And these guys, they're heavy,but they're comfortable.
You see all this padding,padding, padding, some forehead
padding here.
I mean, you're gonna look likesomebody coming out of like an

(28:13):
alien movie or something withthis thing on, you know, like
it's gonna be, but I mean, comeon, it has integrated space.
Let me see if there's a and Iheard really good things about
their software.
Pi Max, if you're listening, Iwould love to try one.
Jeff would definitely love totry one.
Send send one to him.

Jeff (28:32):
Dude, the the quest software is garbage.
The connectivity for thatthing, and I know that's just
like a thing out on you know, alot of people are having
problems with the meta questsoftware.
It's just it takes me like fivetries to get it to hook up to
the computer.
Yeah, you know, once itconnects, it's good, but god,
like sometimes you gotta restartyour PC, sometimes you gotta

(28:53):
restart your head.
You know, it's just like justwork.
I paid a lot of money for thisthing, just work, right?

Jason (28:59):
Yeah, just let me.
It's 2025.
I mean, we shouldn't be dealingwith these shenanigans anyway.
Yeah, you know, they know whatyou're gonna do with it, they
know they market it as afeature, so make it easier on
people.
Why are you making it sodifficult?
I want to point out right herethat you guys are seeing on the
screen is exactly what I wasexplaining earlier.

(29:19):
This is how phobietic renderingworks.
And it and it's got a cockpit,Jeff.
You're not you're getting intothat flight thing.

Jeff (29:27):
I know I have dude.
VR, flight sims in a VR, Jason,are unbelievable.

Jason (29:33):
Oh, I bet.

Jeff (29:34):
Unbelievable.

Jason (29:35):
I have no doubt about that.

Jeff (29:36):
But this is not a flight sim podcast.

Jason (29:38):
This is a yeah, it's not a flight sim podcast, but again,
we have rigs.

Jeff (29:42):
But if you if you have it, it's fairly, you know, you can
get a uh a hotel stick andthrottle, and it's fairly cheap
and have an unbelievableexperience.

Jason (29:52):
Hell yeah, bro.
So you have 53 pixels per inchversus the I can't remember the
number at the Moment, I think itwas 30.
Um, look at the resolution,dude.
Nice, same 90 uh 90 hertz and116, right?
Same thing, and then you can goup for even super wide, ultra

(30:13):
wide, 140 horizontal, which isinsane, bro.
Like that's insane.
So, this is the thing aboutthis headset, these things are
modular.
You can buy the module.
Let's say you wanted theultra-wide module, you can take
this module off.
Look, I'm I've been talking, Iwas just mentioning that.
You can take this off and putsomething ultra wide, say if you

(30:37):
want to play DCS, where youdon't care too much about the
the the you you care about theinstruments on the on the
aircraft, of course, but youwould love to see more to the
sides because the more to thesides you can see and above um
the to the sides, because aboveis you're gonna have to pull up

(30:58):
to see them.
But the more to the sides youcan see, the better it is at
spotting uh aircraft, in myopinion.
Yeah, I mean what do you think,Jeff?
You you 100%.

Jeff (31:08):
I mean, you are moving around in the cockpit, like,
especially you know, if you'rejust flying, but if you're like,
you know, you're trying toshoot something down or being
shot down.
I mean, like you're you know,moving all around.
You look like an idiot, butyou're all around the rig,
looking behind you and stuff.
So that would be super helpful.

Jason (31:26):
Yeah, so I in in retrospect, guys.
I mean, let me just close ithere.
Um, this is just a quickdiscussion between buddies right
now that we just happen to doon the show that's kind of
showcasing how we would shop forsomething in the eyes of a
consumer, right?

(31:47):
Because if you're a buyer,you're a consumer, and you're
looking to see, well, where's mymoney going?
Right?
I didn't even see that, Ididn't even check the price.
I think the price is like Ishould have checked the price,
bro.

Jeff (32:03):
Um, I think that you know it's I think the first one
starts around the same pricethat the uh beyond two, the big
screen two does, and then itgets exponentially more
expensive from there.

Jason (32:16):
I I will redeem myself here right now because I don't
want to leave you guys leavingin the dirt like that.
So these are the prices in myeyes, this guy right here is
unbeatable.
It's because if you looked atthis is unbeatable, because if I

(32:40):
was to pre-order this, I'm I'mafraid to click it because it's
gonna want my email, my socialsecurity, all kinds of stuff.
So let me just hold on.
If you were to add everythingyou need to achieve what this
guy can do, you would beplaying, you'd be paying roughly
the same price.
And you're you know, and thosebase stations, like Dave Cam

(33:02):
said, I'll quoting Dave Cam.
I really enjoyed that video.
You need at least two of them.
You know, one of them is notenough.
That's already that's like 400bucks right there.

Jeff (33:11):
And it's bushly, you gotta buy them used.
I'm sorry, like that's the partthat it drives like you gotta
buy them on eBay or something.

Jason (33:16):
Yeah, and they're hard to find.
Yeah.
Um, and especially when theseguys start to drop, when the
other headsets are gonna drop,good luck buying one of those.

Jeff (33:25):
You know, have you heard?
I'm sorry, Jason.
I didn't mean to cut you off.

Jason (33:29):
No, you're good.
Uh, I just wanted to hold thatthought, Jeff.
Let me just finish up here.
I like that they have thisoption here with an upfront
payment.
They don't make you pay thefull price of this.
I think I got the wrongheadset.
Um, I think it's the 50.
Anyway, let's pretend, right?

(33:50):
They all do this, they all dothis from the from the crystal
super up.
You don't pay the full price,you pay an upfront cost, and
then they bill you the restlater.
It's kind of weird.
Right.
And I asked um a good buddy ofmine, so shout out to EW Sim
Racing, and I asked him aboutthis, and I was like, wait a

(34:12):
minute.
So they sent you the headsetand you pay the upfront cost.
Do you have to run a creditcheck, right?
Because you just gave me a$2,000 headset.
Now I'm running for the Hills,Jeff.
Canceling the credit card.
He got disappeared.
You know, I'm I'm not condoningthat at all.
Or, you know, I don't supportthat.

(34:33):
But I'm just saying, um, it isan option because this is a very
expensive piece of equipment.
It is, you know, it is, butthis is we're comparing the two
top dogs in the VR space.
But anyway, I'll leave links toeverything.
Jeff, what what would what didyou want to mention?

Jeff (34:56):
I have you heard anything about Pimax not or just blowing
their, you know, hey, we'regonna get these pro this product
shipped out, and they're lateto shipping those out.
I thought I heard somethingabout that.

Jason (35:07):
Um in the early days they did, and in the early days
there was some reliabilityissues that we cannot pretend
like they didn't happen.
So I'll tell you that rightnow.
Um, but I've heard becauseagain, I don't have one.
I wish I did.
I've heard that their customerservice has improved and that

(35:29):
they are trying to, you know,they just signed a deal with
LMU.
You know, they they'reofficially partnered with L with
Le Mans Ultimate.
So I mean I think if you buyone of these headsets, they give
you the game for free.
I mean, I mean, you just spendtwo grand 30 bucks.
Well, if you give me the game,are you giving me the full game?

(35:50):
I don't want to burn out LMUtoo much.
You're gonna give me the gameand then I'm gonna have to go
and spend money again, or do Iget the full thing, or how does
this work?

Jeff (35:58):
Fair point.

Jason (35:59):
Fair point.

Jeff (36:00):
I'd love to try one out if they want to send one.

Jason (36:03):
That'd be awesome.
So if they're listening, maybeI'll forward this show to them
and see if we can give you guysbetter feedback.
But again, just remember, thisis live.
We don't script this, and we'rejust looking at things as we
see them in this current marketbecause a lot of what I'm
noticing is that these websitesthey do a terrible job at

(36:25):
telling me the specs.
They give me big pictures thatI don't that I don't care about
because the picture is notthat's not what that's gonna
look like when I get the thing.
I want to see uh more detailsabout the product.
So they make you go throughlike they make you click all
kinds of stuff, like if you weregonna buy it, and then you get
the specs, you know.
So minor criticism.

(36:46):
Um, or it could just be me thatthat doesn't know how to
navigate a website.
I mean, that could be it.
I mean, I accept that one.
That one's easy.
So I think that's gonna be it.
Yeah, I think I think I thinkthat'll wrap that up.
It's just a quick discussion onthe some VR headsets that are
coming out um, you know, for theholidays.

Jeff (37:07):
I'd love to you know step up for my quest three.
It the quest three for uh I Ifeel like we owe it to at least
speak to it because the dollarto quality ratio for a quest
three is hard to compete.
Um it's not top of the line,but it's not top of the line
price, not by any stretch of theimagination.
So um it's a fairly solidheadset for what 300 bucks now?

Jason (37:32):
No, there's still 500.

Jeff (37:34):
I mean, you can get used ones, no problem for 300, but
yeah, a new one.

Jason (37:37):
Yeah, 350 is yeah, around there.
I mean, uh and and to close andto really see here's the thing
with the quest, and I'll andI'll stop.
I am a Quest fan because I lovethat the Quest does more than
just sim racing and flying andand being on the PC.
You can take this thing withyou, you can put it in a bag,

(37:59):
you can go on travel with it,you can play golf in your hotel
room if you're weird like that.

Jeff (38:05):
Uh you can watch a hundred inch T screen and on the flight
to wherever you're going.

Jason (38:11):
And it looks it looks crisp.
Yep.
I mean, and it haspass-through.
You can walk around the housewith this thing and not hit
nobody, you know, fullywireless.
So, I mean, we gotta give itsome it's a pretty incredible
piece of tech for what it is andfor how much it costs,
honestly.
Um, but yeah, that's that'skind of my topic for today, and

(38:34):
I'll pass it over to you for forthe uh main event, I guess.
The main event.

Jeff (38:39):
Yeah, all right.
So I don't think it's beenshould be a surprise to anybody
that Jason and I have both gotthe uh belt tensioner by cubic
systems.

Jason (38:52):
Correct, cubic systems QSBT1.
Yeah, it's I know because Isaid that a thousand times for
your review.
Sorry.

Jeff (38:59):
If you haven't seen Jason's review um that he just
put out, give it a watch.
It is super high quality, a lotof information.
You can see it in action.
Um, but, anyways, so we bothgot it.
A little bit of inside baseballis I've been looking at one of
these for quite a while.
I think I've watched damn nearevery YouTube review um about
them.
And I went to the expo with myheart set on getting to try one

(39:23):
of them and to see what theywere all about.
Um, and quite frankly, blew meaway.
I mean, the first thing you getinto a rig with one of them is
the first thing you kind ofnotice.
Even a motion rig is just like,whoa, like I'm I'm attached, I
feel like I'm attached part ofthe car.
Um, so I Jason, I thought we'dhave a kind of a discussion

(39:45):
over.
I I got some discussion pointshere, um, and we could give
people some feedback.
So this is uh, you know, itcould be in that you know, we
can give some more info to thosethat are maybe on the fence
because they're not a cheappiece of gear.
So um I I wanted one my firstwas to just to help the

(40:05):
immersion, the level ofimmersion, make you feel like
you're in a car.
And I I'll go first here andthen pass it to you, what your
thoughts are.
And like it blows that out ofthe water.
Like the immersion level of oneof these things.
When you um my analogy here isuh it uh in the Air Force they
talk about when you get into ajet, you strap the jet onto you.

(40:28):
You don't get in the jet, youstrap the jet onto you, and you
you know, you you go into combatwith the jet strapped onto you.
That's how I feel when I get inthe car.
I'm not the rig, I'm notgetting into the rig.
You get in and you strap therig onto you, and you're getting
into this car.
And the level of feedback thatyou get, and now, you know,
Jason, you you kind of broughtme on to the the what is it, the

(40:50):
road harshness setting that youcan add to it.

Jason (40:52):
Yeah.

Jeff (40:53):
Um incredible level of immersion.
Um, sometimes it's like, man,I'm like, I know half the a lot
of these people aren't either onmotion or have one of these,
and I'm like bouncing arounddown the road, you know.
Yes.

Jason (41:06):
Uh especially on the streets.

Jeff (41:08):
Yeah, it's just super immersive street.
Uh and F, you know, in aformula car when I'm going
around high speed turn usingdown force, you know, it's
grabbing your outside shoulderand squeezing it as in like
you're going, your bodyobviously wants to go to the
outside, and it puts thatpressure on you, and it fools
your mind that you are actuallygoing around and that having

(41:30):
that sustained g force, if youwill.
So I think it has addedincredible levels of immersion
to to my rig and my sim racingexperience.
So, Jason, talk to me what yourthoughts are on when it comes
to immersion.

Jason (41:46):
So, immersive immersion, right?
It and I went over this underon the review, but I'll go more
into it because honestly, Ididn't feel that way when I
first started using it.
What I felt was pure pain andagony because I bolted this
thing.
I went onto a freaking livestream and I was being yanked to

(42:09):
death.
And then I chose a 50-minuterace that was an endurance race,
and I was like, dude, I justwant out of this thing.
And then it didn't have abutton to turn it off.
At the time, I didn't have uhuh, you know, I at you know, I
since bought smart plugs, butnow when I first got it, I I
just I just bought it and then Iput it on.

(42:30):
There was no way to turn thisthing off.

Jeff (42:33):
Jason's let me just tell a little bit of story here
because it's world class.
So Jason's telling me, he'slike, it just got delivered, I
got it.
My my my race starts in like anhour and a half, and I'm like,
bro, that's gonna be close.
Whether you get this thinginstalled, buttoned up, and what
and he's coming down to likethe wire.
And I'm like, if you don'tchange the settings, you're

(42:56):
gonna kill yourself.
Because it out the box, this hasway more power than anything
coming out the box strap on toyourself that like potentially
hurt yourself.
It's way stronger, but anyway,so I what did you do?
You jumped in the rig for a50-minute race with an odd at
the power that it comes with.

Jason (43:15):
Michael told me, you told me.
I said, How bad can it be?
Yeah, right, bro.
That thing was yanking on mychest.
It was it was after a while Igot used to the pain, but then I
was like afraid to hit on thebrakes, you know, like because I
didn't want to feel that pain.
I was like avoiding it.
I was like, I don't want tofeel this, this is not cool

(43:40):
right now.
And then I started doing thefine-tuning, and I started
getting the belts to the correcttension and getting them uh and
getting them to how do you sayuh I'm just thinking, I'm sorry,
I'm pausing.
There's a lot of there's a lotof settings that it go that you

(44:03):
there's a reason why in thevideo I said to use a cell phone
because I was I was getting upout of the rig, make an
adjustment, sit back down, getup out of the rig.
I I did that like 10 times andI was like, this is ridiculous.
It's I need I need somebody tohelp me, and there's no one
here.
And I'm not gonna ask my wife,she don't know exactly what I'm

(44:24):
trying to do or what or whatshe's looking for.
I wouldn't I wouldn't troubleher with that either.
I was just I just took a cellphone, bro, and I started
recording to see how far up Ineeded to go.
Um once I did that, I put thebelts, I I put the belts on,
they fit great, but then theywere still hurting.
So then I ordered some pads andthat fixed everything.

(44:46):
Everything else was gone.
So I mean, I know that thatthat's we're not answering the
question here.
How is it more immersive?
It feels like you're in a car,it really does.
And you know, when you havebase shakers, base shakers are
usually the low to the rig,right?
They're always mounted low.
If it's either under the seator it's either on the sides of

(45:08):
the rig, but now I'm gettingfeedback on top of my body, in
addition to the butt kicker,which kind of completes the
sphere, if you may, like a likea sphere around you of feedback.
So you really feel like you'repart of something.
Like it it sounds cheesy ashell, bro.
But when you jump in the rigand you actually have to strap

(45:31):
up and you actually have to getthem adjusted right, it it you
know, it's that next step,right?
It's that that final stepbefore adding a motion platform.
It is cool, it really is.

Jeff (45:46):
All right.
Next one is I think we shouldbe we should let people know
that this isn't something thatyou can just buy and hook up to
your rig.
You need to have your rig needsto be prepped for it.
And what I mean by that is youneed to have a molded seat, um,
as well as a seat that has theuh the holes installed from that

(46:07):
you can see over Jason's leftshoulder there, um, that the
seat belts can pass through it.
So um you need to make surethat your rig is set up for
that.
Um, and I will also say herethat um while it will work with
a four-point harness, I will notrecommend a four-point harness.
Uh, you know, um Mikey at thesame racing den told get I told

(46:31):
you know at the expo, I waslike, hey, say it, these things.
Say it, bro.

Jason (46:34):
Okay, I'm giving I'm giving the go ahead.
Okay, I'm giving the five.

Jeff (46:38):
And he's like, don't use a four, get a five.
And I'm like, yeah, bullshit.
It'll be fine.
It'll be fine.

Jason (46:43):
Um that's what I said when I installed the thing.

Jeff (46:46):
And I got the four, and it's like just pulling the whole
rig up.
And I was like, God damn, Mikeywas right.
So went out, ordered another uhfive-point harness, and let me
tell you, that little last dickstrap, if you will, the strap
that comes through the comesthrough the center makes all the

(47:06):
difference in the world.
So this is a little inside jokethat Jason and I have that uh
that little uh that little laststrap um makes all the
difference in the world.
You're gonna want a five, evena six.
Um, I'm not sure if there's adifference, whether it makes it
better or worse with a five or asix.
That's user preference at thatpoint, but you need to have that
one that keeps your lap beltdown so it pulls on your

(47:31):
shoulders and not just pullseverything up on you.
So would you agree to that,Jason?

Jason (47:37):
Uh a hundred percent.
The the only thing I will say,and I left out of my video
because I want you to make thatchoice, you the user.
Um, it depends on your bodytype.
For me, a six-point iscomfortable, it's way more
comfortable because it hugs theinsides of your legs.

(47:57):
Uh, a five-point is just goingright down the middle.
It's just one belt going rightdown the middle.
So it could it depends who,what kind of body, what kind of
how do you say, um, yeah,there's no other way to say it.
What kind of what kind ofphysical shape you are, and how

(48:17):
do you fit in this rig?
Because some people like tohave the belts over the seat.
And for me, I like to have thebelts go down in through the
hole from the seat.
And with our aka mod that wemade to mount the how do you say
this?
The butt kicker.
To mount the butt kicker.

(48:38):
Yeah, all I did was run thebelts in there and made a tiny
gap for the belts to just passthrough because the the buckle
sits on the top, and then I justscrewed in the uh you know the
mounts on the bottom.
And you can buy the you don'thave to buy these mounts, uh,
these these these uh little whatdo you call those, those loop

(48:58):
mounts?
Yeah, little eyelets.

Jeff (49:00):
I mean if you just go to local hardware store, you can
figure it out for the colour.

Jason (49:04):
I went to Amazon and bought like 10 of them for like
15 bucks.
Yeah and then make sure thatthey're um make sure that
they'll fit a T-nut, you know,depending on the T-nut size that
you choose to use.
And as long as you do that andthey're not too make sure
they're not too long so that wayjust take a measuring, just
take some measurements of howdeep the the profile is and make

(49:26):
sure that it doesn't likebecause you don't want metal to
metal, right?
You don't want the screw to beso long that it'll touch the
actual rig and scratch it up,you know what I mean.
I I don't know.
I we we paid a lot of money forthese things, and you know,
Jeff is one of those guys thathe will get it to work when he

(49:46):
wants it to work, and he waslike, Oh, we bought these little
small little keyboards, and Iwas like, bro, none of this part
of this rig separate topic hereis magnetic.
He's like, just scrape the baremetal.
I didn't say anything to you,Jeff, that day, and I'm telling
you now.

Jeff (50:04):
Mount a little piece of metal, like oh, okay.

Jason (50:06):
I thought you meant scrape off some bare metal, like
bro.
I am not doing that.

Jeff (50:11):
It's aluminum, too, right?
I don't think aluminum works, amagnet works on aluminum, it's
aluminium for something.
Yeah, for for the for thoseover the other side of the pond.
Yeah, fair.

Jason (50:21):
I keep, I'm telling you, I can't figure out English.
I've been in the country for solong, I still can't figure it
out.
So it just depends who you are.
You know what I mean?
But uh yeah, I think prettymuch you pretty much agree with
with all the four will work.

Jeff (50:37):
You're gonna get way more satisfaction out of a five or a
six-point harness.
Okay, all right.
So I was a little surprised.
Next topic here is uh I was alittle surprised that it does
more than just breaking uh thefeel for breaking.
So, like when you're gonnaobviously you go into a corner
and you hit the brakes, it pullson your chest, but then it also
has Jason.
How many settings do you thinkthat the software has?

(51:01):
I think it's probably wow.
I mean, it's probably 20-ish.
Probably and I'll just I'lljust go real quick off the top
of my head on some of them.
You got obviously braking, uhcentrifugal motion.
Um there is the gear shiftingup, gear shifting down.
There is there's even RPMs.

(51:23):
You can feel like you're likeyou can feel the car, you know,
uh but it's not a single slider,you can adjust the sharpness
there.

Jason (51:29):
You know, perfect.
Thank you.
The the duration too, how longyou want the feedback to feel.
I usually trust cubic to havethose settings right, and all
I've been touching so far isjust the gain.

Jeff (51:41):
Yes, 100%.

Jason (51:43):
The gain, the the strength.

Jeff (51:44):
Usually it's turning it way down because the thing I'm
shocked at how strong this thingis.

Jason (51:49):
Yeah, because it'll do engine vibration.
You can change the entire waythis thing vibrates over the
course of an entire red line.
You could you could tell it at100 RPMs, I want you to do this.
It's insane what you can do tothis thing because that's what
surprised me.
Is it's not just a thing thatyou buy that just is going to

(52:13):
pull whenever you stop, wheneveryou slam on the brakes, or
whenever you hit the gas, orwhatever it is, or whenever you
crash.
That's the difference betweenbuying something that's third
party and buying somethingthat's that has you know a
plethora of settings and effectsthat you can easily tune.

(52:33):
You know what I mean?
Because they make it reallyeasy for you to do that, in my
opinion.
At first, it looks like a wholeworld of holy crap.
This is a lot of this is a lotof shit.
And then you start tounderstand, you start to play
with the settings, and you coulddo these on the fly.
That's they're really yeah, youcan you don't have to turn it
off, or whenever you go to thepits, it's really smart.

(52:56):
Um, whenever you go to thepits, it deactivates because
there's no engine turned on andit knows that the engine's not
turned on.
It's really smart that way.
Really smart.

Jeff (53:07):
Awesome.
Yeah.
Uh, and another thing, uh, myfeet, my personal feedback is
you know, kind of less is morewith these things.
Pick three, maybe four thingsthat you like um and let it be
after that.
Um, it just becomes noise.
That's my pain.
That's my opinion.
I'm sure every some otherpeople turn a bunch more than
that on, but that's what I foundis my sweet spot.

Jason (53:28):
I just think that if you guys if you guys really if you
go, if you go and purchase thisthing, regardless of where you
purchase it from, you know whatI mean?
Turn down the brakes, becausethat was the hardest thing that
I found that was really justchoke like taking the oxygen

(53:50):
away from my lungs.

Jeff (53:52):
It's way stronger than it needs to be.
It's like and stronger than Ieven thought it was remotely
that strong.

Jason (53:59):
It is crazy, bro.
It's crazy strong.
And the gear shifting too canbe a little just you know, like
going like this to your body,like making your body jerk
whenever you hit the gear.
It's cool and it'll bring asmile to your face.
But I mean, after a while, it'skind of like all right, yeah,

(54:20):
that was fun, but I I want touse this for like I want some
information and some immersion,like a little bit of both, like
a combination of both.
So that's really how I I tunedit.
But honestly, I would not touchmy my my ultimate advice here

(54:40):
is to get it tuned the rightway.
And I mean when I mean tune,fine-tune, like the adjustments,
make sure those belts are likepillows over your shoulders and
make sure that you got the rightheight for these guys.

Jeff (54:56):
That's a great point, too.
So I'll bring the if you I'llbring it.
Go ahead, Jason.
You can finish up your point.
I'll add on.

Jason (55:01):
No, just just before we move on, make sure you got the
right height and then go intothe software and start messing
around.
Because the last thing you wantto do is go in there, mess with
the settings, then you adjustthe belts.
Now it's all messed up again,even though you can just go back
to default.
But just trust me, get themright.

(55:22):
You'll know when they're right.
You'll know right away whenthey feel right.
Whenever you feel that force,the force should should come um
evenly across the chest.
It should not pull you down, itshould not lift you up.
If it's doing that, something'swrong, and it says it in the
manual, too.
It's got like this cool littlemannequin that shows them

(55:42):
getting choked out.

Jeff (55:44):
Yeah, I mean, ideally, you want the holes of your seat
right at your shoulder.
Unfortunately, I'm a taller, Ihave a longer torso, I'm a
taller dude, and mine are alittle bit lower.
So I do have to, I had to buyoff Etsy.
A dude makes these 3D printeddid those come in?
Things they did, yeah.
They help a lot.
It basically lifts up theseatbelt like an inch, inch and
a half.
Um, I don't think you see thembehind me, but yeah, they help a

(56:07):
lot.
I would I still wish it washigher, but it's a lot better,
and that helps pull back and notsqueeze me down.

Jason (56:15):
Email the show at the Shicane Podcast if you have a
tensioner.
Um, Jeff, share a link.
We'll share a link with you soyou can go and buy that.

Jeff (56:25):
Yeah, absolutely.
Um yeah, man.

Jason (56:29):
That I didn't know.
I know you got back fromtravel.
We were talking about this.
Is the thing Jeff is onvacation, and we're talking
about tensioners every day.
Dude, I well, I got it likefive days before I left.
Nah, bro, it was longer thanthat.

Jeff (56:44):
It wasn't that much longer.

Jason (56:45):
It was bro, you think it was five days because you were
like, I can't I can't sleepright now.
I want to go.
It was way longer.
It was like a week.

Jeff (56:53):
It's definitely that you want to get in the rig.

Jason (56:55):
You had them, you literally ordered this thing
while we were at this.
You're right.
I didn't that that's that'sbro.
That was over a month and awow, month, almost a month and a
half now.
Yeah, okay.

Jeff (57:07):
So I'll we'll give a quick story here on how this happened
is uh and give a shout out to acompany because you know, a lot
of times you only hearcompanies when you know stuff
goes bad, right?
Or they screw up shipping,whatever.
So uh I had a discussion withuh and I'm gonna butcher the
name.
Uh so Jason, help me out here.
Uh a PV.
App.

(57:29):
Yes.
Uh sim Sim, I think Appy V Sim.
App Sim.
Uh had a discussion with them,and you know, super cool
company.
Um, and I was like, hey, I'dlike to buy one of these, but
nobody in the United States hasgot them in stock.
And he was like, Oh, we do.
And I was like, hey, dude, likeI hate to say it, but as a

(57:50):
customer, it says out of stockuh or sold out on your website.
And he's like, I know we gotsome in the warehouse.

Jason (57:58):
Appy V simulator, yes.
There you go.
That's what it's called.
And we even butchered that whenwe interviewed the the owner,
which seems like super gooddude, super nice guy.
Hooked up, he hooked me up withthe affiliate for the video
too.
So, I mean, right now they'resold out.

Jeff (58:17):
And they've got a bunch of batches in since the expo.
So it just goes to show youthat um it's a sweet piece of
gear.

Jason (58:25):
People people were picking them up because people
were noticing there were therewas many rigs that were using
them.
Their own cubics, of course,right?
And then I had I tried customones from other motion
platforms, and they were notnearly as good.
I would say the only one thatrivaled that's probably better,

(58:47):
but you it's not something thatyou can buy, it's custom made.
It's from uh Driven Dynamics,the $175,000 rig, which remember
those belts were amazing, thosebelts were like self-adjusting.
That was cool.
You know how you just pull themdown?

Jeff (59:05):
Yeah, it was like I was like messing around.

Jason (59:07):
He's like, oh no, you don't have to do anything to
them.
They know they just go and theyadjust.

Jeff (59:11):
So maybe, maybe in the future.
Yeah, those are also like threetwice as big, too, and they sit
up by your shoulders behindyour seat.
So, but yeah, those were cooltoo.

Jason (59:22):
Yeah, they take like a massive, and it's not again,
it's not a consumer product.
Can't buy them, yeah.
Can't buy them.

Jeff (59:28):
So um, I'm gonna keep move keep it moving here, Jason.
Uh, I also want everybody toknow I had a concern that I
think I've I've kind of hit thisa bunch of times, that it it
wasn't gonna be strong enough toit.
Let me tell you, this thing'splenty strong enough.
I think I have it on maybe ifyou had to put percent to the
gain slider, Jason.
I think I have it at like maybe20% for for for breaking.

Jason (59:53):
For breaking, I use 40.

Jeff (59:55):
Yeah.

Jason (59:56):
I found that 40.

Jeff (59:58):
You could kill yourself.
If you mess up the case, you canget hurt.
It's almost like, oh, maybe Ishould put an emergency stop on
this thing.
It's that strong.
Like if there was a short inthere and you could hurt
yourself.

Jason (01:00:11):
The thing is smart though.
It has like safety featuresbuilt in to prevent certain
things from happening.
Like if telemetry goes wild orsomething, it's not gonna like,
but it's still 90 pounds offorce onto your chest.
That's a lot that can breakyour collarbone.

(01:00:35):
It could break your ribs.
It could snap something.
I can promise you, with enoughforce, a subtle movement, you
know, it it's it could bedangerous, especially,
especially if you have kids andyou had the idea of putting kids

(01:00:55):
in the rig and strapping themin.

Jeff (01:00:56):
That's a very good point.

Jason (01:00:59):
You gotta be careful because it's not a toy.

Jeff (01:01:01):
It's a very good idea.

Jason (01:01:01):
Honestly, I wouldn't I wouldn't even do that.
I would just disable it.
And that's the cool thing.
You can just turn it off, takethe belts out the way, and let
them race, let them have fun onthe rig, because their bones are
still young and developing.
That's the last thing you wantfor your kids.
I mean, that goes withoutsaying.
Same thing with a direct drive,right?

(01:01:22):
You got these 25, you know, 20newtons, even your 16 newton
meters can really break hisfingers if he's not careful, you
know, if the settings aredialed too high.
Sure.
So have a kid profile, is what Iwould recommend.
That way you load up, you loadup your son's profile.

Jeff (01:01:40):
It's one way to get him to leave your rig alone.
There you go.
All right, I got two more, uh,and we'll kind of round this
topic out.
Do you think it makes youfaster?
Okay.
Um, to make you faster, butit's a data point worth talking
about.

Jason (01:02:02):
I will say it makes me catch the car from doing things
that I don't want it to do.
But that doesn't make mefaster.

Jeff (01:02:13):
That's because all very interesting point.
Fair.

Jason (01:02:15):
Because all all I did was stop stop me from doing
something.

Jeff (01:02:20):
Like losing the back end or something.

Jason (01:02:22):
But the line is still the same, the braking points are
still the same.
I didn't, I didn't I learnedthe limit of the car, but that
means that I'm crossing the linesomewhere.
So I I might have messed upsomewhere and I have to correct
it.
So it doesn't make you, in myopinion, it does not.
It does not make you faster.
There's nothing, nothingreplaces brakes and uh a

(01:02:45):
steering um uh wheelbase, youknow.
But I don't want to lie hereand say that it makes you
faster.
It does it make you understandwhat the car is doing?
Yes, 100%.
Yes, and it makes you feel it'sthis is one of those cases.
Remember when we mentionedmotion?
This is an 80-20 situation, yetagain, it's mainly an immersive

(01:03:09):
piece of gear.
Now, if you was if you weretraining for like a race coming
up, then it can show you wherethe limits of the car are
quicker, but that doesn't makeme faster, it just teaches me
where the limits are.
Does that make sense?

Jeff (01:03:26):
No, I think you have a great point there that says, no,
I don't think it makes youfaster, but I don't lose the car
as often because I have morefeedback of what the car is
doing.
Yeah, I have that extra thing.
Okay.

Jason (01:03:38):
Yeah.
I have the brakes, I have thesteering wheel, the butt kicker,
and now I have another thingtelling me, hey, because you
start to feel it on one side.
If it's left or right, youstart to feel like some tingly
sensation going on over here.
I don't know what that thingis, but I know that I know that
something's loose.
But the thing is that a belt'sbelts are there's only two

(01:04:02):
belts.
There's there's not forwardthem.
You know what I mean?
So all I know is left andright.
I don't know if it's rear, Idon't know if it's forward, you
know.
So that that's where buttkickers and shakers will tell
you where it is.
You you see what I mean?
Or motion platforms.
Motion platforms willdefinitely tell you where
exactly where you're about todie.

Jeff (01:04:27):
I basically speak speaking of this, so the box comes in,
and Jason has a big oldheartburn with the box because
it says entry level motion.
And this brings me to my lastpoint here is Jason was like,
entry level, entry.
I just dropped two G's on entry.
Yeah, this ain't entry.

Jason (01:04:47):
I don't like the fact that it says entry level.
You know, because in cubicsize, you know, that's kind of
like okay, before I get into it.

Jeff (01:04:56):
It was just funny.
Like, uh I don't want to thinkI just bought some entry-level
stuff.

Jason (01:05:00):
It was that's like you go into a Porsche dealer and they
have uh whatever the I I don'tknow all the models, but let's
say they have a lower bottle,right?
Like a box, and then you haveyeah, a boxster or could good
one or seven or seven one eightCayman or uh or the the SUV,
right?

(01:05:20):
You can't compare that to a GT3RS, bro.
There's no comparison.
There, that's two differentmachines.
So then imagine you walk intoPorsche and they said, Oh, yeah,
that that's our entry-levelmodel.

Jeff (01:05:36):
You're gonna feel like bro, I just bought the entry
level, bro.

Jason (01:05:39):
That's like a hundred thousand dollar car still.

Jeff (01:05:41):
That's my dream car.
You calling that the entrylevel?

Jason (01:05:44):
Yeah, exactly.
It was got turbo andeverything, but in cubic size, I
believe that they believe thatthe belts, and I'm not
necessarily the defending themall the way, but I kind of see
what the idea was with it.
It's kind of like this is yourentry into motion.
That's how they should have putit because that's what I

(01:06:06):
believe the belts are.
The belts are the closest thingbefore you go to motion,
honestly.
And for some, it's enough tokeep them away from motion, you
know.

Jeff (01:06:17):
I think you hit, and I was gonna bring up this point is um
when we were at the expo, I waslike, oh, motion to be so nice,
it's expensive.
Can I justify it?
You know, and I got the belltensioner, and that itch gone
for me, gone for now.
That fair, but it's gone.
I I mean, I am so happy with myrig right now.

(01:06:40):
I have no drive looking at anymotion for now.

Jason (01:06:45):
Yeah, you know, this is legit.
This is legit, guys.
Jeff is not overhyping.
I've noticed that he has beenon his rig almost every night
when it used to be some nightson the weekend, that night that
he does some sim racing.
Now he's like, bro, uh texts meuh results of a race or shows

(01:07:08):
me a big pile of car crash fromthe from the atrocity,
atrocities, excuse me, of theformula grids.
It's kind of dangerous outthere.
It's a little, you know, schoolof the hard knocks over there.
So I I will say this Jeff ishe's talking truth here because

(01:07:29):
this man, he's got a wheel, youknow, the wheelbase, he's got
the flights in him, he's got theVR stuff.
I think this is the firstproduct that really hit you
hard.
Like, damn, that was worth it.
Or damn, if if somethinghappened to them today, I'm a
hundred percent sure you'regonna find a way to get this

(01:07:50):
thing fixed or replaced.
I'm pretty sure.
I mean, you'll cry, we'll we'llwe'll we'll you know, we'll
complain about it.
We'll we'll both cry.

Jeff (01:07:59):
I'd have to work with cubic, but I would not find a
way.
It's like a butt kicker.
I could I wouldn't get in therig without, you know, like you
just now that I've driven withit, it's like I could never get
in there and not have it.

Jason (01:08:11):
And they work together, like the butt kicker feedback
works really well with thebelts.
Because, you know, I I've triedI've tried haptics, I've tried
turning them off and turning thebutt kicker off and just the
belts, and then turning the theuh butt kicker without the
belts, and it is once you getused to something, man, just be

(01:08:36):
careful because once you getused to something, it's kind of
over.
You know what I mean?
It's kind of like this.
Remember in the early 2000swhen we're when we were blown
away by LCDs that were 55-inchLCDs.
Now we're looking at OLED TVs,and you would never go back now.
It's like your eyes already sawsomething and got used to it,

(01:08:59):
it's over.
4K resolution on movies,mandatory 4K.
If it's in 1080p, you're gonnacomplain.
You know, you're gonnacomplain.

Jeff (01:09:07):
You it's like Vaseline or something on the TV screen.
You know, I can't see it.
Looks something wrong withthat.

Jason (01:09:13):
Yeah, something's wrong with it.
But back when 1080p dropped,when Blu-rays were coming out
with um 1080p, I think Blu-ray,I I forget.
Yeah, Blu-ray was 1080p, Ithink, in the in the in the
early stages that looked mint,it looked crisp.

Jeff (01:09:28):
Yeah, that's funny.

Jason (01:09:29):
Because before that, we had DVD, which was 480p.
And when DVD came out, DVD wasthe best thing.
Bro, that was the shit.
We were going over to myfriend's house, he had a $600
DVD player.
Now you can buy a DVD playerfor like 12 bucks.

Jeff (01:09:45):
Yeah, I was like, could you even buy them anymore?
All right.

Jason (01:09:50):
So what's up?
You had a question?

Jeff (01:09:51):
Last question.

Jason (01:09:52):
Okay.

Jeff (01:09:53):
I think out the door shipped.
We're taught you're looking atjust under $2K.
Is it worth it?

Jason (01:10:01):
It is.

Jeff (01:10:02):
And we didn't, we these are this is Jason and Jeff's
money here.
This is not a nickel that wasgiven or discounted for us
because of what we do.

Jason (01:10:11):
No, it was not.
Um, and it wasn't my plan tohave an affiliate with them.
I just the we met them there.
Appy V was really cool.
If you go and watch the tourvideo that we have, you can see
who they are right away at thestart of the video.
And they were showing off cubicmotion rigs, which is what they

(01:10:33):
do.
They turnkey, um, they doturnkey setups for them.
And to me, I would say it isworth it just as long as you
have everything else.
And we say this a lot, and Iknow a lot of people get excited
and they want to jump the gun,but nothing replaces a decent

(01:10:55):
set of pedals, a decent steeringwheel, and a decent wheelbase.
If you have those three, oh,and the cockpit, because you
need the cockpit.
You need the cockpit, yeah.
The cockpit is like themotherboard.
The cockpit is home base, youknow.
Think of it like this.
If you were to buy a house, thefirst thing you look at the

(01:11:16):
house when you're buying it is,well, how big is the house?
You know what I mean?
What features does this househave?
So then once you buy the houseand you move in, then you start
adding stuff to it.
That's what a that's what arigged cockpit is.
That's how you gotta look atcockpits.
Do not skimp on them.
And the seat, and I will bringit up here.

(01:11:38):
I mean, Jeff and I had adiscussion that he wasn't too
happy with his seat the way itis, and he's trying to fix it
with adding the the risers andtrying to get it just right.
There's a reason why I believein the buy once and cry once,
Jeff.
That's another good solid umreason why spend that money,

(01:12:01):
spend it right.
And if you can't spend it, saveup for it.
Nothing, you don't have tohonestly, you don't have to buy
things right away just becauseyour friend has it, or just
because your neighbor down thestreet has it, or because if you
saw a YouTube video of somebodyusing something, this this is
raw honesty right here.

(01:12:22):
Just because they're showing itoff doesn't mean that you have
to sell an arm and a leg to getsomething, you know, but it's
something that you could buildon.
And I believe that with abudget, you could save up the
same way I saved up, same wayJeff saves up for hardware.
We're not like paid to do anyof this stuff, you know.

(01:12:43):
So that's those are my thoughtson it.
Is it worth it?
If you have everything and youhave the funds, a hundred
percent.
It is worth it.
I would buy it again today, Iwould buy it again tomorrow.
If something happened to it,I'm gonna fall into a deep
depression.

Jeff (01:13:02):
And fair point.

Jason (01:13:05):
Okay.
I I figured I hit you with thatbecause I I I kind of go off
the wall with emotion.
So I wanted to answer yourquestion.
What about you?
Uh, same question, just rightback at you.

Jeff (01:13:16):
I think you said it perfectly.
I if I had to answer with oneword, yes, 100%.
Okay.
I'd be I would be miserable ifit broke and I didn't have it.

Jason (01:13:28):
Yeah, because you knew you knew what it was.
It's it's I I think you knowwhat it was.

Jeff (01:13:32):
I thought I was gonna get something and be here and happy
with it.
And where I am today, I'mdefinitely above.
It has exceeded my expectationson the product and how good it
is.
I've exceeded the amount ofenjoyment and immersion that I
thought I was gonna get.

Jason (01:13:48):
And I'm gonna bring up another point because the Sim
Gaming Expo is happening againnext year.
It's actually being plannedalready by George.
He's already George is alreadyin all that's being in the works
right now.
And I don't want you guys toget confused with what I just
said because I realize I'mthinking about it and I'm like,

(01:14:09):
listen, if you try belttensioners, you're gonna want
them.
If you try an active pedal,you're gonna want them.
If you try a motion rig, you'regonna want the motion rig.
But again, you have to thinkabout the long term of things,
right?
My advice to anybody that'sbuilding and is considering

(01:14:31):
hardware is if you have thefunds to spare and get it and
not go bankrupt or not be lateon any bills, then go right
ahead.
I recommend it 100%.
You know, there's tons ofreviews.
I just put out mine, I'm lateto the party, but there's tons
of reviews.
Um, Michael from the Sim RacingDen, Race Beyond Matter,

(01:14:53):
Boosted Media, Dan Suzuki justdid a recent follow-up on the
Bell Tensioner.

Jeff (01:14:58):
Um Race Beyond Matter.

Jason (01:15:00):
Yeah, Base Beyond Matter, and they're all positive.
There's all positive.
And I'm I'm we're trying totell you again that it's it's
it's pretty damn good.
It's really good.
Yeah.
But then don't let that deteryou from going to a sim, uh, uh
a sim racing expo and tryingthese things because those
things will give you an idea onwhere do you want to focus your

(01:15:24):
priority, just like Jeff did.
Jeff is like, do I go motion ordo I just get a belt tensioner?
Jeff tries motion, manydifferent motion rigs we stepped
into, and he left the floorwith in love with the belt
tensioner.
So that's that's the path hechose, and there's nothing wrong
with that.
You know, that's the wholereason we went there.

(01:15:45):
Well, not just the belttensioner, but that was a big
part of the reason was to seewhat's happening in 2025.
What is the new stuff that wedon't have access to?
And it, I'm telling you, it wasworth every penny to go out
there and try these things.
In my opinion, it was.
That was, you know, it was agreat time we had out there.

(01:16:07):
So, in short, if you if youcan, yes, if you could buy it,
buy it.
If you can't, save up for it.
Because guess what?
It's a v1, and I'm pretty surea v2 will come out one day,
right?
Maybe we'll have a v2 withthose self-adjusting things,
Jeff.
Imagine.
You know, I don't know.

(01:16:29):
You're like, you're like,you're thinking like, man, I
just hope I hope they don't dropa V2.

Jeff (01:16:34):
Yeah, like I just dropped a shiny nickel for this thing.

Jason (01:16:37):
Two or three years, man.
Chill.
So I think that's about it.
And yet again, we're having toomuch fun on the show.
I I promise track of the weeknext week.
That's it.
That's it, bro.
Track of the week, the users,the the users, the the crowds

(01:17:01):
getting our followers.
I don't know.
Hey, let's take a vote here,guys.
If you want to see track of theweek at all costs, put it down
in the comments below.
Let us know.

Jeff (01:17:13):
Yeah, fair enough.
Yeah.

Jason (01:17:14):
I want to see it.
It's not going anywhere becausetrack of the week, I think is
it's one of my favorite parts,especially.
You know which one was myfavorite, bro?
It wasn't even the track, itwas the cannonball run story.
That was so freaking dope.
We gotta follow up and see whatthey're doing.
When does that go down again?

Jeff (01:17:33):
Just so it the cannonball, the cannonball, you know, from
uh New York to California is youjust run it when you want to.

Jason (01:17:40):
Oh, every all year?

Jeff (01:17:41):
Yeah, you have to go, I think you know, improve proof of
life in time at Red Ball Garagein New York, I forget where in
New York, and then you have youknow, in Rihondo Beach,
California, some hotel.

Jason (01:17:55):
Redondo?

Jeff (01:17:56):
Yeah, you want to leave in California when you or uh leave
New York so you're not stuck intraffic, and then plan your
routes, and it's whenever timeof year, whenever time of
season, whenever time of the dayto avoid all this stuff.

Jason (01:18:09):
And so so Jeff just go for it, dude.

Jeff (01:18:12):
Yeah, it's a cool story.

Jason (01:18:13):
So Jeff's retiring.
Jeff, when you retire, are weare we gonna run the make a run
at it?
You down, you down to do a run?
I'll do it with you, bro.

Jeff (01:18:22):
People take out like back seats and put like another
hundred-gallon fuel tank inthere so they don't have to stop
for fuel.
They have like likemilitary-grade radar detectors
and stuff.

Jason (01:18:33):
You know what they should do, bro, is bring MREs so they
can freaking make the meals onthe go and bring one of those
loses so they don't have rooms.

Jeff (01:18:42):
Yeah.
Paint it in like radarabsorbent material.
So even if you do get caughtwith radar, you know what I
would do, bro?

Jason (01:18:51):
I would I would eat the MREs, I would turn the heat up
in the car and sweat my theentire way all the way to
California and just hydrate.
That way I don't have to do anumber two.
All I gotta do is number oneand just keep it going.
I bet you anything we could wecould probably don't it kids
don't try this at home.

Jeff (01:19:11):
There's awesome, dude.
The win the the Vin WikiYouTube page has a number of
these stories, they'refantastic, especially if you're
just driving somewhere to listento them.

Jason (01:19:20):
But yeah, this was Jeff calling me uh on the way home
from work um from his job, andhe's like, I got an idea for
track of the week, but it's nota track.
And he was like, Are you coolwith this?
And I'm like, Hell yeah, I'mcool with that, bro.
That sounds crazy.
I I never knew about that.
That was my favorite.

Jeff (01:19:39):
That was my favorite track of the week, and it's not even
a track, it was kind of like weused it as a placeholder, if you
may people using airplanes astheir spotters for cops and
stuff.

Jason (01:19:50):
Yeah, they got like six GoPros and shit, like watching
like radar and all kinds ofstuff, radios.
That's kind of cool.
But anyway, uh I think that'stime's up for now.
Um, very good episode.
Thank you, Jeff.
Thank you so much, man.

Jeff (01:20:08):
Always love chatting with you.

Jason (01:20:10):
Yeah, man, it's always a good time.
Um, and hey, for you viewersand uh listeners out there,
check out the track goes simracing YouTube.
I have my thoughts on the uhQSB T1 video.
If you want to see it in in myfirst ever video review, so go

(01:20:31):
and check that out.
Um, if you have any questionsthough, Jeff and I are still
here to follow up on the thingsthat we're using, right?
On our rigs, and we'll let youknow.
So if you have any, if you any,if you have any specific
questions that we didn't go overor that you didn't find in the
video or in any other video, um,I'm more than happy to

(01:20:54):
accommodate an answer and andput that up on the show.
So, with that, guys, Jeff,thank you so much.
And to all you viewers andlisteners out there, thank you
so much and have a great startof your week.
And