250123 Chris & Tom Marazzo

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Well, good evening, everybody.

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It's Chris here from the Wistle Stop Cafe in Mirror, Alberta.
Yet again.
We missed yesterday, I was at an Alberta Prosperity Project supper in LaDuke, which was awesome.
But we've been kind of seeing a lot of each other these last few days, eh?

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The reason for that is because there's lots of crazy things and interesting things going
on in the world.
And I feel like I just want to talk about some of them.
I want to share my thoughts and opinions with you.
And actually, some of you have even been sending me emails and messages asking me why I'm not
talking about certain things or how come I'm not doing lives or podcasts much anymore.

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And I'll tell you all what I've told them.
The reason is because running a business is a full-time gig and it takes a lot of time
and energy.
And I got a life and my son's in basketball, so I'm all over the place.
But things are so interesting right now and they're so cool and there's so much opportunity

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to do better, to make a better world, to do great things that we never thought were possible
in our life.
I just want to share my thoughts and ideas.
And maybe I can encourage some of you to come with me.
And we'll all go there together and it will be wonderful.

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Whether or not we're using American currency or Canadian currency or metric system or Imperial,
who knows what the future holds.
What I can tell you the future holds is whatever you make it.
And if you don't believe me, you can go back on pretty much anybody's social media for

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the past, go back, say to, I don't know, 2022 or something like that and look and see what
people did when they decided they wanted to work together and accomplish something.
It was absolutely incredible.
Now the situation around that, and now of course I'm referring to the Freedom Convoy
2022, but the situation around that was a lot of maybe hopelessness, a lot of suffering,

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a lot of worry, a lot of anxiety about what the future held.
So much so that people actually decided they're going to get off the couch and they're going
to do something.
And do something, did they ever.
I still remember driving across Canada in that horribly uncomfortable picker truck,

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Kerry bouncing and hitting his head on the roof every time we had a bump in the road
and watching like millions of people lining the highways, encouraging us, feeding us,
throwing sandwiches at Kerry's head.
It was pretty amazing.
And now it's almost like people have started to kind of, the memory is fading.

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I mean, not for me, I've got pictures of it all over my cafe and I'm reminded of it every
day, but the memory is kind of fading and the situation around that is fading as well.
And it's almost like people are kind of willing to just say bygones and move on thinking everything's
great.

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But the reality is nothing has really changed.
But thank goodness we have an opportunity to actually make some changes.
And I feel like there's going to be some very significant changes this year.
So I decided I'm going to take a little break from my Alberta independence focused guests.
And I wanted to talk to a guy who I met in January 2022.

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I had never met him before.
I'd known from Adam, but as soon as I met him, I knew that he was the real deal.
And I really wanted to hear what he had to say because he had some interesting perspective
on what was going on.
Since then, he has also written a book.
I'll show you right now.

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And then you'll know who my guest is.
Where is it?
There it is.
Here's his book.
His name is Tom Marazzo.
He was a spokesperson for the Freedom Convoy 2022.
He wrote this book called the People's Emergency Act, which I have been listening to on Audible

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because that's the only time I can do anything is when I'm driving.
And it's a really, really detailed account of what occurred in that time period.
So I would encourage you all, if you haven't already done it, get over to Amazon and buy
a copy of it and read it.

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It's definitely worth the time.
So speaking of time, without wasting any more of your time, I will bring on our guest, Mr.
Tom Marazzo.
Thank you.
Thank you.
That's a good intro.
That's a really good intro.
I'm not as good as Kerry, but.
You know what though?
A while ago, I decided to stop doing podcasts.

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And it's not that I didn't enjoy it or didn't like it.
It was just I kind of felt like it would be a great opportunity to give other people some
time to get onto the podcast.
I kind of felt like, you know, my best before date had been well exceeded.
But I want to tell a story to your viewers and it's actually about you.

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So I remember where I met you and I realized who you were, because I had seen you a couple
times at the Swiss and I had looked at you because you have short hair and everything.
And I'm like, I know that guy.
I must have served with him in either Pedawalla or CFB Kingston or something.
I thought you were an army guy that maybe I had served with and I just I couldn't place

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you in the location.
And there was me, you and I think Danny Balford, we were standing talking and you said to me,
hi, you know, my name is Chris.
And it just clicked.
And I couldn't believe that it was, you know, Chris Scott from the Whistle Stop Cafe.
And I was I was just blown away because, you know, when you asked me to come on the show

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and I said, look, I'm not really doing podcasts anymore.
But when you're asking you specifically, I'm coming on here and I'll tell you why.
Because you were one of the first people like there's a certain cohort of people that in
the early days of covid stood your ground and did the right things despite the significant

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sacrifice to your lives.
I mean, you're in you're in the class with another Chris, Chris guy, Adam Skelly, you
know, even Pat King was was a guy that was out there pretty vocal, the frontline nurses,
you know, with Kristen and Sarah, you know, police on guard were out there.
There were certain people that were paving the way for the future Tom Marazzo's to get

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into the fight.
And so you were one of the giants and I was standing on the shoulders of giants, as the
saying goes, and you were one of those guys.
So when you said to me, hey, you know, you want to come on the show?
Yeah.
When when Chris Scott says, can you come on the show?
Yeah, because I owe you a debt of gratitude for everything that you did to pave the way
for people like me and thousands of other Canadians to go to Ottawa and do what we did.

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And you know what?
You are still in Ottawa with the rest of us.
And that's not a small thing.
You know, and a lot of people owe you a debt of gratitude for being amongst the giants
who stood firm and stood tall.
You know, people like you, Danny Balford, people that came out in the early days and
said, no, no, this is wrong.
What's happening in?

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Yeah, you're not going to violate my rights.
I know what my rights are.
I'm going to defend them.
And you know, you really you were one of the ones for me that stood out.
And thankfully, you know, rebel news covered it.
Sheila Gunn-Reid was there often at the cafe.
She covered it.
You know, these were the stories that inspired a lot of people to go to Ottawa.

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So yeah, I wanted to come on the show and just to be able to publicly thank you for
doing that, because without you doing what you did and some of the others, maybe people
like me wouldn't have had an opportunity to go to Ottawa.
Maybe there wouldn't have been an Ottawa.
Wow, I wasn't expecting that.
But thank you very much.

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And oh, no, you know, I watched I watched everything.
I watched everything.
Go ahead.
Sorry.
That means a lot coming from a guy who, you know, literally signed up to put his life
on the line for me.
Right.
So yeah, I'm a little bit speechless.
So I'll try and collect myself here.

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You know, you mentioned Adam, you mentioned Adam Skelly.
Yeah.
Right.
So Adam was the guy for me when I saw what he was doing.
And it was very similar.
You know, a smaller restaurant just wanted to serve people food.
And he did his thing, you know, broke through the wall of his welding shop into the restaurant
to serve people food.

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He was the guy that that motivated, encouraged me.
And I actually got to spend some time with him today.
He stopped in at the restaurant.
Nice.
That was fantastic.
And I've kept in touch with him.
His legal battles aren't over.
You know, my my stuff.
I don't know how I walked through that minefield without really getting damaged.

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But a lot of the people you mentioned, they're still in it, like up to their eyeballs, man.
Pat, he's there.
They're trying to put him in jail for quite a while.
Chris and Tamara, they're both.
You know, their lives are on the on the hook here.
The Coots guys, two of them are in jail for another couple of years.
Marco Van Hugo Boss just put in jail in Alberta here.

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Almost all of the people who tried to stand up with their businesses lost their businesses.
Almost all of them.
And I often wonder, like, why did I why?
Why was I able to get through this stuff with my you know, with my business still?

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And to be frank, I mean, I'm not Frank, I'm Chris, but to be perfectly frank, I'm you
know, I'm up to my eyeballs in debt from the COVID stuff, too, even though people supported
me and helped me like that was a it's a very expensive time.
And you know, we never know if we're going to make it the next year.
But I'm still here.
So it's that's a very interesting.

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It's a very interesting story.
It's an interesting adventure.
Well, the last time I was in Alberta, which was last March, I went to Alberta and Saskatchewan.
I went to a Chris Barber fundraiser.
And you know, he had 650 people there was hosted by Shadow Davis.
So obviously, because Tamara Leach was in the room, we had to ensure that legal counsel

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was present.
Yeah.
And that babysitter.
Yeah, the baby.
Yeah, we call them the world's most expensive photo bombers.
And babysitters because you know, the last time we were in a room together, even though
we were surrounded by our law firm, the JCCF, as well as her criminal defense attorney,
Diane Magnus.

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She still went back to jail for 25 days.
Right.
That this is I love to hear them talk about the rule of law in this country.
And yet, there's there's no really rule of law for them.
There's only a rule of law for us.
Right.
And so we have to go through all these extraordinary jump through all these extraordinary hoops

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to protect ourselves from them.
The government when their role is to actually do things to protect us.
And so, you know, there was a very successful fundraiser that Chris Barber put on last year,
650 people, and he had a 30 plus thousand dollar legal bill, even though he is getting

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help from the JCCF, like the JCCF, their funds are not unlimited.
They have helped hundreds of people.
And they do it for, you know, they do donations as pro bono.
But they're my my law firm as well, because me and, you know, thirty nine other people
are being sued for two hundred and ninety million dollars from Zexie Lee and the Happy

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Go Something coffee company.
Happy Goat or something.
Yeah.
Some coffee company and Zexie Lee, you know, under Paul Champs lawsuit for two hundred
and ninety million dollars is the last I heard it.
It's up to.
I don't know if I'm still on there, but my I was originally on that lawsuit.

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Yeah.
See, it's funny because the lawsuit centered around the honking of horns.
OK, I don't own a truck.
I never honked a horn.
But somehow they've classified me as somebody who enabled other people to honk a horn.

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And you know what the irony is on the day that the horn injunction came into effect.
People don't know this story, but we rented the convoy.
I mean, I didn't do it, but it was there in place when the convoy arrived in Ottawa.
There was rental of four port-a-potties.

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And they were right up on Wellington.
In the police, the Ottawa police refused to move any of their barricades to allow us
to get a pumper truck up onto Wellington and get those port-a-potties cleaned out.
So on the 7th of February, which is the day that our lawyers were in the courts facing

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the the horn injunction with Justice McLean, I was negotiating with the Ottawa police saying,
look, we'll reduce the horn honking down to maybe even an hour a day if we can.
And I said, I don't I don't speak to them or I don't make their decision.
I'll take it back to the truckers.
It's a collective decision.
But you know what?

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If there's a way to help the people of the downtown Ottawa, the ones who live in that
sort of residential area, we're willing to do this.
We're willing to have these conversations.
But the police said, absolutely not.
We're not going to move the barriers to let you get the pumper trucks in there to clean
out those port-a-potties that you rented.
And then you know what they did?
They decided to start a rumor that we were defecating on people's property and you're

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going to need people's property.
It's like, no, we actually took steps to mitigate that and to make sure that people had a place
to go.
The city of Ottawa before the convoy arrived, they shut down the shopping mall.
We didn't.
You sure did.
Yeah, they shut down all the businesses.
We didn't.
So you couldn't even go in there, use the washroom, buy a coffee or buy a product because

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they shut down all the surrounding washrooms.
They told them terrorists were coming.
These evil people are coming.
You're not going to be safe.
You have to close your restaurants.
And we heard that from almost every business owner that we met.
90% of them, it was like we were told by the mayor, we got to shut everything down and
make sure we got insurance and all this crap because of all these small fringe minority

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people.
And then they just kind of, they were, some of them were leery of that and they wanted
to see.
So they came down and opened their businesses, got more business than they had in the previous
two years and met some amazing people.
So you're right, Tom.
They talk about, oh, you couldn't, we couldn't operate our business.
We couldn't go downtown or whatever.
That's because they did that.

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Yeah.
They, they shut, they shut the businesses down.
Those businesses were shut down before.
Now, remember I, I sat in the audience for, and I was subpoenaed to testify at the public
order emergency commission.
So I sat there every day and I listened to various government officials and different
levels of government lie about everything that was going on.
They, you know, it's hard to be a fly on the wall when somebody's lying about you.

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You just want to jump up and be like, you do, you do.
And so, you know, they, what we learned at the commission was that the PMO's office was
actually planning to vilify the convoy on route.
They were planning their media strategy, their vilification of the convoy before they even

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arrived.
And even as early as I think the 26th or the 27th of January, we saw a note during the
testimony that said, you know, from, yeah, from, from the PMO's office in Freeland, basically
saying, Hey, don't put too much pressure on the convoy.
We don't want to push out the quote unquote, the crazies just yet.

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So what they wanted to do was, was, you know, paint this picture that a bunch of unruly
Canadians were coming to Ottawa to be disruptive.
And they, they wanted to make sure that that convoy reached its destination.
Right.
And now when you really look back and you see all the testimony, you realize it was

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the Ottawa police that actually parked the convoy in all of the locations where they
eventually ended up.
Once the convoy got there, then they started boxing the convoy in with concrete jersey
barriers and heavy equipment.
Right.
So there was nowhere for us to go.
I mean, we spent a significant amount of time, myself, Eva Chippewa and Keith Wilson, negotiating

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with the city to try to relocate and to get the trucks out of the downtown core and to
get them into a position that was away from the residential areas.
Because we saw that just as counterproductive, but we couldn't get the Ottawa police to
comply.

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They, they didn't want to negotiate.
Now what's important about that is not a single elected official in the city, the province
or the federal government ever spoke to any of us.
You know what?
It's funny because the highest ranking person that I dealt with personally was the city

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manager and he's the highest ranking unelected official in the city.
And I got a meeting with him and he was very reasonable.
I think he understood the big picture, what was going on.
And at one point, the highest ranking police officer I spoke to in Ottawa was an inspector.

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Inspector Drummond was his name.
But I never negotiated with any elected officials.
Nobody did.
You know, and there were some letter exchanges that went back and forth between the Freedom
Convoy Board and the mayor of Ottawa, Jim Watson.
And you know, it was all, it was all up and up.
It was all public.

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You know, people knew that these conversations were happening despite some of the disingenuous
lies about how that whole thing transpired.
Everybody knew that we were talking to the city.
Everybody knew.
And yet, there's some really strange people out there trying to tarnish the reputation

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of the convoy, which is really unfortunate.
And I don't like to really talk about the things that are demoralizing to the legacy
of the convoy or the people who participated.
But that, I think, has been the biggest disappointment post-convoy is people are not doing the research.

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Like they can go on the Public Order Emergency Commission website, just type in poec.ca and
watch all the testimony and they'll find out exactly what happened.
You know, so.
Or they can read your book.
Or they can read the book.
Because this is all pretty detailed.
I mean, I'm just past the part where you had kind of given up on Sergeant Lee and you had

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met with the administrator of the city or whatever.
Yeah.
You know, there's a lot of things in there that I didn't know.
And I think some people know this by now, but I was everywhere out there.
I stayed at the Swiss Hotel.
I was always in those operational meetings that were there in the mornings.

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Then I would walk over to the Ark Hotel and I would sit there with you guys.
And so when I see people talking about people online or whatever, or even in the Public
Order Emergency Commission, I'm watching these people talk and I'm thinking back, hey, you
know, I was there.
I was present for this conversation.
I recorded this.
I did a live stream on that.

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It was a pretty cool place to be.
And it's also really interesting that everywhere I went, not everywhere, but most places, if
I was trying to gain access to something, people would be like, no, this is, we don't
know who you are or whatever.
And then they'd look at my hat or they'd be like, aren't you that was this guy?
And then they would usher me in like I was, you know, I had a VIP pass.

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So that was pretty neat.
Yeah.
You know, you know, that's a funny thing too, because look, I've always been a very low
key gray person.
I've never had any form of notoriety in my entire life.
Me too.
And, and yet, you know, I went to, I went to the convoy and I met people like you and

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like all the people I said, like there was you, Kristen, Danny Bullford, Brian Dennison,
like I I'm there and I'm meeting all these people that for the previous two years, I've
been watching on rebel news or all these different platforms fighting, you know, and, and here

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I am, I'm, I'm kind of starstruck walking around feeling like, oh my God, like this
is celebrity central for the war on COVID, right?
And you know, I was, it was an incredible experience for me that I got to meet these
people.
In fact, I did actually get COVID during the convoy, right?
So did I.

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It's yeah.
And you know, it's funny.
I took ivermectin and some other stuff and I was standing in the hallway talking to Roger
HUD, Dr. Roger, I can't say his last name, Hodkinson, Hodkinson and Paul Alexander, right?
I'm standing there talking, the three of us are talking in the hallway and this guy just

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comes up.
I never saw him before or again, hands me a bag of ivermectin and all that other stuff.
He's like, are you Tom?
I'm like, yeah.
He hands me the bag of stuff.
I'm like, this is kind of sketchy, right?
And Paul says, no, no, no, no, no, you're not taking that stuff.
And between him and Roger, they sat there, did an assessment on me in the hallway and
said, yeah, you got Omicron.

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And next thing you know, they're giving me the medication I need to get better.
You know, it was all above board, all legit.
And you know what?
I got through it.
I got through it.
I survived it, which was the whole point, right?
This is, I know it was bad for people.
A good guy that I know, Scott, last name with an M, good guy.

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He got really sick.
Like, he almost died from COVID, but I don't know if it was from COVID or the treatment,
you know, that he was getting.
I know he was on a ventilator, great guy, horrible story, but he's on our side.
You know, so, you know, my experience with COVID in everything that I was observing and
all the doctors that I knew that were like as friends, I have a good friend who was a

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doctor in the Belleville area, got fired for vaccine mandates a few weeks after I got fired
from my teaching job.
But he was one of the ones who said to me, he's like, six months I've been waiting for
somebody in my hospital to show up with COVID.
And in six months, he didn't see anybody.

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Right?
So he started to question what was going on.
And then he starts looking and researching into, you know, the COVID vaccines and stuff.
He's like, not a chance, not touching it.
They fired him.
Yeah, that's unreal.
When you described how Omicron made you feel and the burning throat and the night sweats

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and stuff like that, I had exactly the same thing.
Now here's something funny.
When you got Omicron likely from, probably from Chris, because Chris had it, everybody,
a vaccinated guy, by the way.
Yeah.
Roger also got it from Chris.
And then the day that you got that stuff from Roger and Paul, Dr. Alexander, Dr. Hawkinson,

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Jessica, Carrie and I went wanted to visit Roger.
So we went up to his hotel room and I called him.
I said, yeah, Roger, we want to come visit.
And we're pretty good friends at this point.
And he said, yeah, I'd love to visit, but you know, I'm not feeling very well.
I probably have, I probably have COVID.
And I said, well, I don't really give a shit.
I'm coming to visit you anyway.
What if you don't make it?
I want to at least see, right?

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I didn't actually think it was.
So we went up there and we had a, I think we had a, maybe a whiskey or something with
him got COVID.
And I felt exactly the same way.
What you described that, or maybe the next night I was just, I was like a furnace, but
I could not get warm.
And that was it.

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Sore throat for a couple of days, but that was it.
So it's a, yeah.
Yeah.
Like I got mine, honestly, I think on the second day I was there and I was at, at the
convoy for 22 of the 24 days.
And I got mine on, I think on the second day, the third, the third morning I woke up is
when the sweat started.

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Um, but you know what?
Like I, I pushed through it.
Uh, I took care of myself.
I followed, you know, what the conventional thinking was.
I mean, I, at this point I'm trusting Joe Rogan more than I am Fauci or any of these
people.
But you know, I, it was only a matter of time I knew I was going to get this, you know,

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and I wasn't afraid of it.
And this is the important piece is that I knew months after COVID actually started that
there had COVID, there were 5,000 different variants of COVID, right?
And yeah, the first version of it, like that, that hit our shores, it was the most devastating.

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And I knew people that, uh, eventually after six months, I finally met a few people that
did get it.
Um, the first time around it was, it was devastating.
Absolutely.
It was pretty rough.
I think Jessica, my girlfriend, we think that she had it the November prior and it was like,
she was just bedridden.

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And at the time we thought, well, yeah, bad flu, this happens.
We certainly would have never suggested that people destroy their lives or, you know, not
see their family or anything because it would just kind of got through.
I slept in the same bed.
I didn't get sick.
She was sick and that was just life.
Yeah.
And I, you know, I was very nervous about it for the first couple months, uh, because

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of my son, because of my son, truthfully, like I, my, my son is immune compromised.
Uh, he's got various other issues.
So I was very afraid that that first sort of round of it was going to be devastating
for him.
Uh, so I didn't even see my own son.
He lives in a, you know, I didn't live with him at the time.

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So I didn't see him for a couple months until his birthday.
And you know, that was really hard to not be able to see my own son.
And in, in those early days, I do think that, yeah, you know what the first round of COVID
was pretty bad for people.
And I don't think it would have been very good for him.

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So I did what I thought to protect him.
But as time went on, I realized, okay, this thing is mutating.
It is decreasing.
All, all viruses do decrease in their, uh, their lethality and their, uh, I don't know
what the other word, maybe their strengths.

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Um, you know, as time goes on, they, they get more mild.
So as time went on, I realized, okay, it's impossible for, for anyone to escape this.
Um, at some point we are all going to get COVID.
That's just the way life is.
It's which version of it are you going to get?

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And so my son has had COVID, you know, he's had the, I think, Omicron or even something
more, more mild to that.
Um, but here's the thing.
He now has natural immunity to it, right?
So you got to do the, the, the, the risk benefit analysis to this whole thing.
Right.

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And the benefit is if you got Omicron, he was going to be more, yeah.
Virulence, virulence is the word, right?
Thanks, Bonnie.
Yeah.
So, you know, as time goes on, um, it, it, it's better, but you know, I knew the, I knew
the whole narrative was BS from, from day one.
Uh, I, I understand emergency management.

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I understand, uh, operational planning very well.
And what I saw happening was a gross amount of, uh, incompetence.
And the, the one person who really nailed it for me was a great guy in Alberta named

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David Redmond, a retired Lieutenant Colonel, former head of emergency management, Alberta.
So I saw a video with him and it reminded me of a whole bunch of things that I had forgotten
being that I, in Ontario, when I was posted to the army headquarters in Toronto from 2008
to 2010, I went to the morning briefings with the commander and I sat beside the civilian

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retired military, uh, emergency management, Ontario liaison officer.
He was embedded in the army's headquarters.
He was a former air force general.
And um, you know, I, and then I'm like, oh yes, like why is emergency management Ontario
not taking the lead on this because we had done exercises with, with emergency management

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during the G8G20 summit in 2010 in Toronto, when Toronto got ripped apart, emergency management,
Ontario played a pretty critical role in that whole operation.
They, you know, they don't take a lead role in front of law enforcement or the military
or the doctors, but they're a coordinating agency.
And so when I started to look at the government's responses to all of this, I, I was just like,

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this doesn't make any sense.
The things that they're putting in place make no sense.
And you know, really, really frustrating to see people were complying and responding and
I get it.
And here's the other big, big clue to me.
Every day the government was posting on the news.

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So the news was creating this fear porn.
It was always, that's what tipped me off.
Yeah.
It's all these different cases.
It's like case numbers, case numbers.
Oh, Toronto or Ontario has 20 cases today.
Tomorrow it's 25.
And then a week later it's 200.
A week later after that it's 2000.
And it's like, I don't care about case counts.

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Did you, did you count?
Did you terrify the public with the case counts for influenza?
No you didn't.
So a case count was an irrelevant thing, but it was something big and scary that they could
terrorize the public with.
And what mattered to me was hospitalizations.
When I, that's what would have mattered to me because then I would have been able to

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look at the historical data and compare hospitalizations to influenza hospitalizations.
And then kind of, you know, we heard about this R naught factor and all this crap and
all of a sudden we became, you know, uh, Barak Room virologists, right?
We became experts overnight.
So here's the thing.

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I just, I was looking at the media.
I was looking at the fear and I was looking at the messaging of the government and I knew
right away that this was wrong.
It just, all the clues were there.
All the clues were there.
So a good friend of mine, Diego, um, I was in a chat group with a bunch of people that
are like-minded and he kind of gave everybody in the chat group a blast of crap.

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And he was like, you know what, you idiots, you're all running around wearing masks in,
in public places and stuff.
This all ends when you guys decide to take off your masks.
And you know what?
He's right.
He was right.
And that's the moment where I was like, time to find your big boy pants and into pushback

(34:32):
now.
We can't let the Chris Scott's of the world shoulder all of this on, on them, right?
Everybody has a dog in this fight and everybody has a responsibility to object.
If you think that this is wrong, you have a duty to object and to say so.
And it's interesting because Randy Hillier was not my MPP.

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Randy, you know, he's in a different, he was hundreds of kilometers away from me and I
sent him an email and actually a couple of weeks later, Randy called me and Randy never
doesn't even remember the phone call from when I met him in Ottawa and we worked together
during the convoy.
And he said to me, he says, look, you should never in your life.

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Cause I told him, I'm like, listen, I'm a 25 year army guy.
And for the first time in my life, I'm actually afraid of police.
And he said, you should never walk around in a free country being afraid of your own
police.
Cause if you are, you've already lost.
And I'm like, you know what?
You're right.
And I went from being afraid to get noticed and afraid to rock the boat to, all right.

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Now I'm looking for a confrontation with the police.
I'm not saying I want to get in a fight.
Yeah.
I'm not looking for a fight, a physical confrontation, but no, you know what?
I've got kids, they live here and I need to take a stand.
And so I didn't wear the mask.
Now what I didn't do, like I have a black belt in Krav Maga and I've been doing martial

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arts since I was seven years old.
So I wasn't worried about a physical confrontation.
But one thing I didn't, what I did do is I said, look, you can't get into a confrontation
where your body is experiencing all of these physiological effects of fear and try to come
up with talking points to get yourself out of bad situations.

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So I thought, what do I say if I'm confronted in public?
And I basically just told people, and it happened very few times, but I did.
I said, I don't wear a mask for medical reasons.
Thank you.
Because people would try to give me a mask and I'd say, no, I don't wear a mask for
medical reasons.
I never said that I had an exemption, right?

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But the thing is, you don't get to ask me what my medical situation is.
You don't have the legal authority or the right to ask me to disclose my medical information.
So I just went in prepared and I used that line a few times.
Other than that, nobody ever asked me.
But that was it.
I said, I don't wear a mask for medical reasons.

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And my medical reasons were I just think it's stupid and I don't really enjoy hypoxia for
no apparent reason.
So I called Randy, I had a great conversation with Randy.
And from that day forward, my whole demeanor, my mentality changed, but I still got fired
from my teaching job.

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Yeah.
You know what got me out of the mask?
For the first year, I did all the things, right?
And a matter of fact, you go back March 2020, 2020, I guess, I posted something like, hey,
you know what, everyone, you need to be conscious about what you're doing.

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If you go out and you're sick and you are shopping and you pick up a loaf of bread and
put it back and you're sick, well, someone's grandparents pick it up and they get sick
and die.
Now I was concerned.
I've got elderly grandparents.
They're like 200 years old or something.
And I was, this was March, so we were just a few months into it.
So I wore the stupid mask, but I stopped when I realized that I was uncomfortable without

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it.
I get out of my car to go in Walmart and I realized I didn't have my mask on.
I'm like, Holy geez, I'm like, I'm, I didn't feel like I was a, I was, I don't know what
the word is.
I felt little, you know, I wasn't bold.
I didn't have any courage.
And it was because I was relying on this mask.

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This mask gave, it did something to me where it changed the way I was behaving.
And I thought, Holy crap, I'm not, that's not right.
That really, that tipped me off.
And then I started in my cafe.
I always got the Edmonton sun every morning.
And I went back to the cafe.
This may be later on that week.
And I'm looking through the stack, every single one front page COVID, the whole thing was

(39:05):
COVID.
It was down to like, you know, five pages, but it was all COVID, no news, no sports.
I think there was still a sunshine girl in there maybe, but she's probably wearing a
mask.
And then it dawned on me, this is not right.
This is nothing we've ever seen before in our lives.
There aren't sirens all over.
There's not people dropping in the streets, like the videos coming out of China that were

(39:28):
fake.
The hospitals are not over full.
I made the, I made the, I noticed that they were saying the ICUs were 110% full.
And then I realized that ICUs are supposed to be 100% because if they're 90%, they give
beds for something else and if they need them, they move them around.
And so all these things kind of came into line at the same time.

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I took off the mask.
I was a little bit nervous at first, but I just, I did it for the most part.
If I knew I was going into a business where they're really strict about it, I would wear
it out of respect for the business, but that's it.
And it wasn't until November or December of 2020 that I decided I knew 100%, this was

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complete BS.
It's not what they said it was.
People are being hurt.
They're being abused.
I'm not going to participate in it anymore.
And if my government doesn't open us back up, I'm just going to open.
Well it took two more little things from my government before I opened.
And finally I did.
But for that whole, the whole year, I, who am I?

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I'm nobody.
I don't want to make waves.
I don't want to fight the government.
I'm not going to get a ticket or get whatever because of a mask.
But looking back, it was so much more than just that mask.
It was literally changing the way people think and behave.
Oh, it absolutely was.
And I, and I remember, you know, the first few times I went into places like Home Depot

(40:58):
or whatever without a mask, I, you know, pulling into the parking lot, I was nervous and, you
know, I've jumped out of planes.
I've laid on live armed landmines and disarmed them.
Like I've, I've worked with C4.
I've done some dangerous things, you know, but pulling into that parking lot, I was nervous.

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My heart rate was up and I could feel the adrenaline pumping through the body.
But I knew that probably a minute or two after getting in the store, I'll be fine.
And that's what it was.
Each and every time I was nervous, I went in, I said, okay, nobody's bothering me.
This is fine.
And I calmed right down.

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And it was, and I was prepared.
I was prepared, you know, verbally to defend myself.
And I wasn't overly concerned about a physical confrontation, but there were cases I heard
about people going in and got it getting like, you know, somebody in a, wearing a mask, getting
right in your face, screaming at you for not wearing a mask.

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Yeah.
Cause they have this authority, this supremacy they never had before, right?
All of this.
Yeah.
And you know, we saw ridiculous ideas like you could have, it was free rein to go into
Costco or to Home Depot or to Walmart, but we shut down the little mom and pop stores

(42:24):
that could control the number of people in and out of their business, right?
They could limit the number of patrons, but no, we had to shut those people's businesses
down and keep the conglomerates going, you know, and then there was some pushback by
the public and then they came out with, Oh, you know what?
You can't buy kids' toys.
Well, the kids' toys already on the shelf in the store.

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It's the tarps on half the stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right.
But you know, and then it got really stupid when we get into restaurants, it's like, okay,
I can come into the restaurant and I have to wear the mask, but COVID is so brilliant.
It's so brilliant.
It's going to know that I'm seated and eating food.
So it's going to leave me alone, but I get up to go to the washroom.

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It's going to attack me.
Like this is like people, people believe this and this is the hard part.
And I think that's the kids, the kids playing, playing their musical instruments with holes
cut in their mask, you know, if, and that wasn't even the best.
The best was when the government decided that they knew how to keep you safe in your bedroom.

(43:29):
Yes.
And to this day, I still people, I see people driving alone in their cars with masks on.
Yeah.
I do too.
And I think that person uses a glory hole for sure.
Yeah.
I feel like pity on these people because they're living such a terrified life and I can't,

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I just, I can't live that life.
I mean, I just refuse to live in a country that scares me.
You know, when my kids were born, especially my son, he was my first, you know, as a brand
new parent, you make a promise to your kids to make the world better for them.

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I actually took it serious.
You know, it was like my oath to my kid and I can't, I can't leave Ontario.
I can't leave Canada.
I'm not going to.
So I have to stay and fight for Canada.
I don't want it to get bad.
I don't want it to be about, you know, kinetics.

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I don't want to see violence break out in this country.
But you look at the COVID experience that we all were subjected to, you know, it's been
three years almost since the convoy and Justin Trudeau is still in power.
You know, Doug Ford, who bragged, who bragged about being the most restrictive elected official

(44:56):
in North America, got reelected six months after the convoy with even more power, more
seats, a bigger mandate by Ontario voters.
Like the people that he bragged about.
That's wild.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, he's the one who actually sees the money, right?

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The injunction was filed on the horns.
Then the lawsuit came out with Paul Champ and then the Ford government, his attorney
general seized approximately five and a half million dollars in donated money.
The rest was given back to the donors in all this.

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You're talking about the give send go right now.
All the give send go.
Yes.
So go fund me.
I think too.
Yep.
Yep.
It was all returned.
It's funny because this financial fundraiser crowdfunding is the most studied in forensically
audited crowdfunding campaign in Canadian history.

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There was two forensic audit teams, one of them specialized in cryptocurrency that went
through every penny and every coin and presented all this data, you know, as testimony at the
public order emergency commission in front of a full commission, a room full of lawyer
teams and presented in discuss where all the money and all of the money is in order.

(46:30):
Everything.
There's approximately five hundred five point five million dollars that is in escrow right
now that was seized by Doug Ford.
Get this as a crime, a proceeds of crime.
What crime?
That's the question.
Proceeds of crime.
Doug Ford sees it.
Wait a minute.

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It still has it.
You said there's two forensic audit teams went through every penny, every crypto coin,
didn't find anything amiss.
That doesn't make any sense because there's that twat waffle hungry trucker guy says that
everybody stole the money and they're all rich.
Yeah.
How those two things can't both be true at the same time.

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Yeah, it's crazy.
I mean, I saw a video I was running in the Ontario election two years ago against Doug
Ford.
You know, I ran with the Ontario Party, Derek Sloan's the leader.
And I saw a video.
Somebody sent me a video saying that I had stole the money and I was using four million

(47:34):
dollars to fund my Ontario Party campaign so that I could get elected MPP.
And he did.
Well, and here's the question, why would I steal four million dollars to use on a political
campaign that only paid one hundred and seventeen thousand dollars a year with no benefits or
sorry, with no pension?
Why wouldn't I just take the money and go south?

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There's a lot of crazy ideas out there.
There's a lot of crazy ideas.
And you know, it's unfortunate because I'm aware of this crap by this hungry trucker
guy.
It's ridiculous.
I looked at some of the crap he posted.
Chris and Tamara were actually incarcerated at the time that he's accusing them of doing

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these things.
You know, it's ridiculous.
And literally, I sat in the audience and I listened to the guy present all of the information.
You can actually go on the commission.
I think it's around the 17th day of the commission and watch the video of the guy presenting

(48:44):
where all the money went.
It's been out there for two years.
I sat in the room and I listened to this guy present where every coin and penny went.
But Internet fame seekers still speculate and people believe them and it causes them
to act in despicable ways against their fellow human beings.
Yeah.
And even for me, I was really frustrated because a lot of people, some rumors and a very disruptive

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person who had very little to do with making real solid decisions, who was on the board
of directors, I won't say his name, but had accused me and Keith Wilson of sabotaging
the convoy on many different occasions.
And we testified under oath at the commission.

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Exactly everything, what we participated in, it's all a matter of public record.
But here's the problem with Canadians.
They don't dig very deep.
They'll watch something on social media, they'll take it as gospel and they won't question
it.
And it's unfortunate because a lot of people got harmed after the convoy, publicly attacked.

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The things that people have said about me and Chris and Tamara, probably you, all these
people, it's vicious the amount of attacks that we do get on social media.
There's not a week that goes by that I don't get called a traitor or an insurrectionist
saying that I should be in jail for the rest of my life, that I molested women when I was

(50:23):
in the military.
There's a lot of hurt and anger and a lot of vicious people out there and vast majority
of them are probably just bots.
But it's disappointing when you see somebody will put their face in their name and they're
still trying to accuse you of something you had nothing to do with.
And people send me videos all the time, it's like, hey, this guy was saying stuff about

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you today.
I'm like, forget in line.
That's to me, that's called Monday.
I don't care.
I just, I don't care.
This is my policy on social media.
If you don't put your real picture in your real name, then you're not going to put your
reputation on the line and I'm not going to engage with you while you sit there and slander

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me.
I have a bunch of those people.
They come up with some interesting names though, like this guy, I can't remember what his name
is.
It's like last name, Oxlong, first name Mike, I think.
Okay.
Great, fantastic name.
But the most painful thing that someone ever said to me, because I do get a little bit

(51:32):
of that, they commented on one of my pictures I post, I post food pictures from the list
of stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I took a picture of my pies and said that they were pudding pies made from a box.
I just, I actually burst into tears.
Really?
Burst right into tears there.

(51:53):
Yeah.
I make those pies from scratch.
All of the cream pies that I make at the Wausau Cafe, I start with a pound of butter and I
go from there and I make it from scratch.
This person said it was a pudding pie.
I'm actually getting a little choked up right now thinking about it.
So no, you know, the things that people come up with, right?

(52:14):
The things that people come up with.
It's, it's, it's unreal, but you know, it doesn't deter me.
Does it disappoint me?
Do I have bad days sometimes?
I mean, you can ask, you know, people that, well, I guess you can't ask.
But we all go through this thing like, okay, 9 a.m. we get on social media, we see what's

(52:35):
going on in the news and we're ready to fight.
Yep.
By noon, we're ready to deactivate all our social media.
You know, by 3 p.m. it's like, no, I'm going to run in the next campaign and I'm going
to beat these guys, right?
And we all go through the emotional up and down all the time.
You know, for me and Danny Balford, we have a little bit of a different sort of take than

(52:59):
some of the others that we still stay in touch with.
You know, in particular, the lawyers and Chris Barber.
So you know, for us, it's got a different meaning.
It's a different sort of thing.
Like when you're in the military, you sign something called unlimited liability.

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And it's very serious.
It's a contract between you and the government of Canada that you could be ordered in combat
to your certain death and that you agree to that.
Right.
It's on your they own your life.
Yeah.
I mean, you as an officer, if I went into combat, I had the authority to say, Chris,

(53:42):
I need you to go and do this.
And I'm not sure if you're coming back.
I have or even I know you're not coming back.
I know you're not making it and I need you to do this.
Yeah.
Like you've got the legal authority to do that as a commander.
Right.
And you have no legal recourse to refuse a direct order in war and in combat.

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And it's it's terrifying and it's very serious.
And so when you see for me, it was particularly painful, really gut wrenching for me when
I saw what the the police officers did to all of our veterans.

(54:26):
You know, watching those beatings of guys like Chris Dearing and, you know, Jeff Everly
was there, you know, some of the other veterans, what they did was very, very difficult for
me.
And I know it was also very difficult for Danny Balfour, you know, as a as a former
police officer himself comes from a police family.

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You know, he's blue through and through to see his own fellow officers do that to Canadian
citizens.
It's it takes it to a next level, honestly, for us, because we we don't like to see the
public.
I mean, we're charged with protecting the welfare and safety of Canadians, you know,

(55:12):
in war through invasion or whatever it is or the defense of Canada.
So our mentality is to be protectors of Canadian society.
Then you got Danny Balfour, who lived it right on the front lines as a police officer, you
know, and then you see police victimizing and beating their own citizens who are unarmed,

(55:32):
who are surrendering, who are clearly combat veterans wearing a beret and your medals.
There's no mistaking the fact that this is a soldier that you're beating the crap out
of the thing with Chris.
Chris Deering was identified.
He was identified as a wounded veteran.
But a half an hour before the police closed in on those guys.

(55:56):
You know, so so this this kind of stuff is is really difficult to see.
And then when you get the public turning around, these bots are these idiots basically calling
me and Chris Deering and all these people, traitors.
It's like, so how do you have faith in Canadians sometimes for the people that don't know?

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Chris Deering was a he was in Afghanistan, I believe, and he was injured severely in
an explosion from a road roadside improvised explosive device.
He watched a couple of his his friends, like blown to bits.
He was completely messed right up and made it home.

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And he went to the war memorial in Ottawa and he went there to protect it with other
veterans.
And when he was arrested, like they didn't just arrest him like this guy's got major
back injuries and all sorts of things wrong.
I think he has a little bit of mental health issues from it as well.
Just from from the things he went through.

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They were like kicking him and kneeing him in his back and he had his hands zip tied
behind his his back.
And I remember in the video he's saying like, I'm not resisting, I'm not resisting.
And these guys are still just pummeling on him.
And that that should be enough to make any Canadian, any Canadian sick to their stomach.
But that wasn't the case.

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There were some people who cheered those police on for what they were doing.
Yeah, and you know, what's what's hard with this is, you know, people like Chris Deering
and Jeff Beverly, they're the ones who were charged.
They were literally unarmed protesting, exercising the right.
And by the way, people should know justice.

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What was his name?
The first one, McLean, actually said, yeah, you got a legal right to be here throughout
the protest.
He ruled on that on the 7th of February and said, yeah, you have a legal right to be here
to protest.
Just stop honking the horns.
If you honk the horns, it's a violation of the injunction.
So we had a legal right to be there.

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And you know, what's what's frustrating is that all of the powers that the police had
prior to the invocation of the Emergencies Act did not change, nor were they modified.
And people should realize that not one single Canadian was arrested or charged under the

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Emergencies Act.
Not one person.
Everybody was charged under pre-existing criminal code of Canada offenses.
So declaring the state of emergency in the Emergencies Act was completely null and void.
But the one thing it allowed them to do was to seize all of our bank accounts, mine included.

(58:54):
And, you know, they took there was a small group of us that were known publicly.
One police officer sat there and watched all of our names on CTV news, wrote down our names,
wrote a little blurb about us.
That list of 40 or so Canadians was shared around the entire planet to all of the banks,

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China, India, United States, Britain, France.
They were shared all around the world.
Saying, if you have accounts with these people, seize their accounts immediately.
I never had a warrant for my arrest.
I never got charged.
And I've never been convicted.
And they went straight to punitive action by seizing my financial assets.

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In fact, they went so far as they contacted my ex-wife and were going to seize her accounts.
But she they at least asked her, hey, do you have anything to do with this guy?
Because your last name is the same.
Right?
This is what they will do to Canadian citizens.
Everybody knew that I was a Canadian veteran.

(01:00:02):
This is what the government will do.
Like they all say, hey, every year let's do a Remembrance Day ceremony and we're going
to thank our veterans.
But how do you thank your veterans in practical every day?
And I'm not talking about me.
I'm not a combat veteran.
There's a difference between a veteran of the military and a combat veteran of war.
I'm not a war veteran.

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But this is how you treat people that signed their unlimited liability.
That if you have the wrong think or if you dare exercise your rights to protest as a
veteran, that's unacceptable.
We are going to charge you.
We're going to criminally come after you.

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Jeff Everly got criminally arrested and charged.
For what?
He actually protested.
The Emergencies Act gave the police the impression that they had the right to go and assault
Canadians.
But they didn't.
And I'm happy to announce.
And they did.
Yeah.

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And there's a whole bunch of really good lawsuits that are in the works.
Like I'm suing.
I know Jeff is.
I know Eddie Corvell or Cornell, sorry, that everybody's suing, suing the government and
it will be tied up in court for years.
I'm sure.
Yeah.
Well, the this is it's kind of.

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If you look at history, it's almost unbelievable that in the 70s, late 70s, Justin Trudeau's
father did the same thing.
He invoked the Emergencies Act, the War Measures Act at the time to quell an uprising.
And if it's almost like Justin is trying to tick off all the boxes his father did, he

(01:01:56):
just gave Western Canada, specifically Alberta, the Alberta salute by saying that he was going
to try and fight Trump by cutting off oil or energy exports to the United States.
You know, like it's I can't even believe that history is repeating itself so accurately

(01:02:19):
with that's with the same bloodline as happened in the late 70s, early 80s.
Yeah.
And my favorite one of my favorite memes of them is a picture of his father saying the
virus and then the other picture of Justin saying the variant.
You know, like honestly, it's amazing to me that they get.

(01:02:41):
Any support.
It is spooky and it's terrifying when you think and I and I've been, you know, I'm pretty
active on Twitter for some reason.
That's just where I'm comfortable.
And I'm looking at the sentiment of what's going on.
I can't blame Alberta like I can't find any fault with Alberta's arguments.

(01:03:02):
The only thing is the only thing I'll say about Alberta and I and I was kind of teasing
Albertans the other day and I said, look, guys, we're used to it.
Yeah.
It was like, listen, it's it's not everybody in the East that hates you.
It's the government that hates you.
You know, and then their response was, well, you keep electing these people.

(01:03:23):
I'm like, well, yeah, you got a point.
But we also have 16 million people in Ontario and 33 percent of the entire country lives
in southern Ontario.
And more than half of them are employed in government of some sort.
Yes, they're employees of the government.

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And on top of that, there's a lot of immigrants.
I mean, immigrants come to Ontario first, then they branch out to the rest of the country.
And the immigrants that are coming here, sponsored by liberal government programs that are really
stupid, really costly.
These new immigrants have no intuition about the dynamics of society or what Canadians

(01:04:08):
have gone through or what they go through.
They don't understand anything.
They just want to they don't want to rock the boat.
They don't want to vote against the liberals who are funding their way of life and giving
them the head start in their new life in Canada.
So this this is one of the I was joking with some people and I said, well, you know, we
could if you guys don't like it, we could send all the immigrants to Alberta and then

(01:04:30):
you'll have fair representation, you'll have three times the size of your population.
I was joking, right?
But it's true.
I mean, Alberta, if you put Alberta in Quebec together, you still have several million people
less combined than we do in Ontario.
It's true.
I mean, before we're we're well aware.

(01:04:52):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Before the sun rises in Manitoba, the election's over.
You guys, your votes don't matter anymore.
And that's a fact.
And this is a problem.
And I'll tell you why I bring this up, because there's two things.
One I'm working on a social media platform called Toto and I work for an amazing guy,

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true visionary named Jonathan Baha'i.
He lives in between Nova Scotia and New Brunswick.
Amazing guy.
We're building a social media called or I hate to say social media, but there's elements
of that.
But it is a way that we are going to have direct engagement between us, the voters and

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the politicians.
It's an important thing that we work in.
Maggie Braun has been one of our beta testers.
She uses it.
She promotes it.
She's been helping us quite a bit.
The other thing I'm going to say is I am now the interim president of the Ontario Party.
So Derek Sloan is the leader of the party.

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I am now, I recently took over as the president of the party.
Do I believe there's a political solution?
Yes.
But that's up to the voters.
The voters have to get involved.
The voters have to start learning to work together.
They have to educate themselves on the ways of government.
Me?

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I am a guy who wants to talk about reform.
I don't for a minute believe that the voters have any power.
I don't believe in the parliamentary system.
I think it's terrible.
You and I don't get power.
And I mean, anyone wants proof of that.
How come three years after the convoy, Justin Trudeau is still the prime minister of Canada?

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You know, three years after the convoy, why is Doug Ford, Scott Moe, all these other premieres,
why are they still in power?
They all should be in jail.
Right?
Why is it that the RCMP can do, can break the law with impunity?
If you talk about the Coots Four, there was a bunch of RCMP that admitted that they vandalized

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over $100,000 worth of farm equipment.
Were any of them arrested for trespassing, vandalism or any crimes?
No.
But you got four guys that were in jail for a couple of years.
Two of them are in forever or for a long time.
You know, you got Marco, who just got sentenced to four months.

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You know, where is the justice for Canadians?
So in my view, there isn't.
There isn't.
And I'll tell you why.
It's because the monarchy is not ceremonial.
We've been led to believe that we live in a democracy.
We're independent.
We're not.
If we were, we wouldn't have the Crown, the executive branch of government, the RCMP doing

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the things they do with impunity.
That's why they can do that is because we are subjects to a Crown.
We just we can we can decide what laws we want to make.
Then we can send it to the Crown for royal assent and it actually becomes law.
Yeah.
And it's a very this is this whole thing has been very, very eye opening.

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But the benefit to that is now we know we have an issue.
Now we can fix it.
So you know, the idea I want to just talk a little bit about Toto because it is it is
built on blockchain technology.
And what we want to do with this in total, like the Wizard of Oz, right, there's a bunch

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of analogies there that actually make sense.
So if you go to use Toto dot com, sorry, dot CA or common.
Sorry.
Yeah, Toto.
Sorry, I'm just moving some stuff around.
Yeah.
Dot com.
Use Toto dot com.
And what we're building there is a means for you to connect directly with a politician.

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And let's say you have an important thing like, let's say, for example, masks are stupid.
What you would use Toto for would be to create a focus.
Yep, that's it there.
You would create a focus and all of the activity about that specific issue for you would go
inside that focus from that focus.

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Then you can write letters, you can post, you can add links, you can do videos, you
can like, you can join a focus and just be involved in that one particular issue.
We actually use some AI tools to help you write a letter to elected officials in your
writing because when you register, it's based on your postal code.

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So we already know who your provincial municipal representatives are.
We know who they are already.
We've put them in the database.
So if you want to write a letter, we help you write the letter through AI tools.
And here's the thing for a very small fee, because it does, we hired a company.

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We will print off the letter, put it in the mailbox and send it directly to their office.
You don't have to leave your home.
We are going to be transitioning to do more of like, we're going to post this.
When you do a letter, it gets posted to a blockchain and that blockchain is forever.
So it can't be tampered with, it can't be hacked, it can't be modified or fraudulently

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added.
That letter is going to be posted for everybody to see.
We're building out the other side now for representatives, people that are users who
get elected to office to then claim their profile and to say, Hey, I was a user.
I ran for office.
There's Jonathan there.
Great guy.
One of the best bosses I've ever had.

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We're going to have it so that if you write a letter to your elected official, they're
going to see it on Toto and they're going to be able to respond specifically to your
letter and everybody's going to see the letter.
Everybody's going to see your original and going to see their response.
We've got big plans for Toto, big, big plans.

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We're going to be doing polls, surveys, referendums, report cards on the performance of politicians.
So I think it's an important thing to do.
And I think for the first little while, the legacy politicians are going to avoid it like

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the plague.
They don't want something that is going to hold them to account.
They're not going to go on there.
They're going to take new candidates, people that are with my party, the Ontario party,
or people that are running as independents or people, even PPC or anybody who's joining
a new political party that wants to engage with their voters.

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I think they're going to adopt Toto originally.
Once they adopt it and start using it in, they're going to have an advantage.
They're going to have an advantage over their competing people trying to get the same elected
job.
That's important to us.
I've been working on this for seven months now with this team.
I believe in the project.

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It's going to be difficult.
It's not going to be monetized overnight for the company.
But Jonathan's putting a lot into this.
Politicians didn't use Facebook in the beginning.
They didn't use Twitter in the beginning.
Now they're glued to it.
It seems like they make decisions based off of stuff that's trending on Twitter.

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And that's where they campaign.
And that's where they campaign.
We hope to get the same level of civic engagement between them and the voters.
If they ignore Toto or they don't respond to the letters, then they're going to suffer
the consequences when the public has quantifiable evidence to prove to these people that you're

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not doing the job that we sent you to Ottawa or to Edmonton to do.
So it's an important thing.
And I'm hoping even with the Ontario Party candidates that they're going to adopt it
and they're going to want to use it and help themselves with Toto on the campaign.
We didn't build this as a political tool for politicians.

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We didn't build it just for the public.
We built it as a meeting place, as a source of truth to what's really going on.
And we want the politicians to start taking a lead from the public.
The public just needs a place to go where they can interact with these politicians in

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a meaningful, truthful way.
Anything that increases the level of civic engagement is a great idea because that's
quite honestly, that's why we're in the situation we're in right now, is because civic engagement
in this country has been historically completely pathetic.

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Yeah.
Yeah.
And they've always known this.
I mean, they're the ones who control it in the education system.
I met Brian Peckford at the convoy and he's always said he believes that children should
do mandatory civics starting in grade eight and all the way through high school.
I think that's true.

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You know what I, in my wildest dreams, I would love to see Canada become a republic.
I really would.
I've learned enough about the Canadian political system over the last five years more.
I had to learn things about it in my career in the military.
I had to take courses on politics and stuff.

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It's a requirement for their officers to progress through the ranks and understand politics.
Right?
But I've learned a lot more in the last five years than I ever did.
And you know, and then after I ran as a candidate in the last election, every day I'm getting
stronger.
I'm learning more.
I'm understanding more.

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I would love to see political reforms.
I think they're necessary.
I think they're absolutely necessary to the future of Canada.
It's insane that we have this parliamentary system.
It doesn't work for us.
Here's a true thing.
26,000 people in 2015 voted for Justin Trudeau.

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There's now 41 million Canadians in this country.
And we're all being held hostage by 26,000 people who just scratched an X on a piece
of paper.
The two following elections, there was only 22,000 people that voted for Justin Trudeau.

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In his writing.
In his writing.
Yeah.
But because he became the leader, he became the de facto prime minister of Canada.
You'll never see Justin Trudeau's name on a ballot.
Canadians didn't vote for Justin Trudeau to be the prime minister.
That's very, very frustrating.
And on the other side of that coin, if you really like the leader, there's lots of people,

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including in Alberta, that voted for horrible candidates, anti-freedom candidates, because
they wanted Daniel Smith in office.
So we kind of had to plug our noses and tick the box.
Not me.
My MLA, Jennifer Johnson, is fantastic.
Yeah.
And you know what?
There's a great MLA who took over Jason Kennedy's writing.
Eric Bouchard.

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Eric Bouchard.
You know, when I talked to Eric every once in a while, great guy.
I met him at a book signing in Calgary when I was there.
Awesome guy.
You know, he is one of us.
He lost his businesses due to COVID mandates from Jason Kennedy.
And his local businesses said, hey, we want you to run for his spot because he's resigning.

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He did.
And he won.
You know, and he is.
And he's been shaking it up down there, too.
He certainly has.
Yeah.
He's a great guy.
And this is what we want.
Our citizens to do to civically get involved.
But the frustration is true.
It's true.
We use these Dominion voting machines and we know that it's not very dangerous.

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Yeah, I know.
You guys are lucky.
In Ontario, they used them the last election.
You know, these things are all very dangerous to our democracy, right?
Like they talk about this person or that person is a threat to democracy.
No, your voting machines is a threat to democracy.
Go back to paper ballots.
Show your ID.
Justify that you have the right, the legal authority and the right age and everything

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to vote in this country.
You know, like we need massive political reforms and I got to interrupt you there for a sec,
Tom.
I think it is important that we allow people with no ID and maybe not registered voters
to vote.
If they hadn't have done that in the United States, Kamala Harris wouldn't have won any

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of the states.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's insane.
Every state she won had no voter ID or laws.
You know, I, last year, last April, I hosted a great guy, an American and his spouse, his
name is Michael Yon.
He travels all over the world.

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He's been, he's traveled, like he was a former Green Beret in the US Army in the 80s, 90s.
He's a war correspondent.
He's actually a combat correspondent.
He's been down studying the Darien Gap for over, you know, six months back and forth.
He goes to Panama, all these other places.

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We hosted him in our house for a week and I took him to Niagara to actually Fort Erie
and right across the lake you can see, or the Niagara River, you can see the Peace Bridge.
And we found a train bridge that you can literally walk over either direction.
We talked to some locals and they said, yeah, we watch people walk over that bridge all

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day long, going back and forth from Canada, US.
They've all contacted the local authorities on the Canadian side and on the American side.
That border is just an open sieve.
There's, there's no disruption.
Anybody can go back and forth.
It's the same on the lake.
You're just hopping about and just go.
There's nothing that can be done.

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Like the border's wide open, you know, it's, it's a dangerous time for all of us, but
you know, you see our elected officials, instead of addressing the core issues, they're starting
a trade war with the guy.
And you mean border border security and actually continental security if you, if you zoom out

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of it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so when you look at the real situation, yes, the fentanyl comes from Canada.
That's guaranteed.
You know, fentanyl is, is with all the safe injection sites and all the different programs,
you know, let's, let's not treat it as a, as a crime.
Let's treat it as a disease.
And to a certain extent, I do agree with that approach.

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People need help with addiction, but providing them with these lethal medications and then
not stopping China from bringing the fentanyl into Canada.
I mean, we almost have a pipeline.
We have a fentanyl pipeline for Vancouver to.
We do.
We absolutely do.
And it's coming into the United States and they're saying, you guys need to stop the

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fentanyl.
You need to do it.
And, and what are we doing?
We have Doug Ford and Justin Trudeau talking about, you know, booze and Heinz ketchup as
a solution to the, the people that are dying every day from fentanyl poisoning.
Like we have the most out of touch people and you can't look at it and say, no, it's

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incompetence at this point.
You have to look at it and say, it's deliberate.
It's absolutely deliberate.
The intent all along has been just to destroy Canada.
And I look at it as a strategic issue.
It is my firm belief that America are not, their intelligence agencies are not all bad
and they're not all fools.

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They're looking at Canada and saying, you guys are absolutely a national defense problem.
A, you know, we are a national security threat to the United States of America.
I'm not saying that because I want to go to war with America.
I'm saying that because it's just true.
It's just a fact.
In this case, we're kind of the bad guy.

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We stop, we stop defending our sovereignty maybe because we don't actually have it.
We don't, we don't.
In our government, I mean, everybody knows there are at least a minimum of 11 known traders.
Our own CSIS director told us that years ago.
Sam Cooper did an expose and gave the names of at least a couple of those people.

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And what happened?
Nothing.
They're still getting paid.
They're still holding their cabinet positions.
They never stepped down.
They never did anything.
They just went, eh, nothing.
You can't touch me.
So this is the democracy that Canadians have here.
And you know, I say that with all sarcastic intent, of course, we don't have a democracy.

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We have a Marxist communist government.
You know, they are destroying this economy.
They are making it every time you turn around.
I mean, I'm surprised they haven't come up with a fart tax.
You know, like they did.
Yeah.
They have a fart tax.
I'm sure.

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I'm sure they do.
But we're going to let China and everybody else just fart away.
The Canadians, I know you got a lot of trees that could absorb that smell, but we're going
to tax you because we can.
And there's nothing you can do to stop us.
Yeah.
So, you know, I, my frustration with the politics is extremely high, but it's not enough to

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say I'm not, I'm going to disengage.
Like I'm not going to disengage from the political process.
If there's a full on economic collapse, fine.
You know, we have to, we have to plan for that.
We have to anticipate that too.
You know, but there are just so many different layers to this, this conflict that we have.

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We have, we have conflicts between the federal government, the provincial government, and
the municipal governments.
Right?
There's just so much chaos, no so much instability.
And we saw the Amazon is pulling out of Quebec and 1700 people are losing their jobs in Quebec.

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They're not the only industry.
They're the first ones that are going to start pulling out of Canada.
It's the same thing that happened when they, the Quebec government held the referendum
in 1995.
Businesses started pulling their money out of Canada and Americans said, we're not investing
in you guys.
You're too unstable.
We're in economic trouble.

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We are absolutely like, if you, I, I'm one of these geeks who read the, the federal budget
and here's the issue.
Okay.
Every hour of every day, 365, 24 and seven, our government pays back banks $6 million
an hour on interest payments on the loans that they take.

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And don't ask us if we want to pay for that's just the federal government, the provincial
government where I'm in, in Ontario, it's about $3 million an hour.
So as an Ontario resident, I'm responsible for paying back $9 million an hour, 365, 24
and seven on money that I never even asked my government to borrow.

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It's almost like we've been tricked into participating in an illusion as a means to access our wealth
and prosperity and funnel it to people who are not accountable to us.
Yeah.
And, you know, people have to understand the, the dynamic that money interest actually never

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gets printed.
Like people have to understand, like, there's no such thing as a physical copy of interest
payments.
The only thing that gets prints printed is principal money, not interest.
So our deficit or our annual budget federally to pay back were $54.1 billion in interest

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payments.
The third largest spending program for the federal government is paying the banks back.
We pay more to the banks than we do for national defense.
And I think we just actually moved into it.
We pay more back to the banks than we do in healthcare.

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So we got pensions, it was healthcare than the banks before education or national defense.
This is what we're paying back.
Something that doesn't actually exist.
Like interest is only in existence because they said so.
It's not real.
Like it doesn't, it physically, there is no such thing as interest.

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I can't look at a pile of money and say that was printed for interest.
That was printed for principal.
Let me explain it another way because I don't think I'm being clear.
We're going to play a little experiment.
I'm going to get a sticky note and I'm going to write on that sticky note $1.
And we're going to pretend, just pretend there's no other money in the world.

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There's no other money that exists anywhere in the world.
There's only the $1 that exists and I have it.
I have that $1 in the world.
Chris, you come to me and say, Tom, I want to borrow the dollar.
Okay.
And I say, sure.
I'll loan you my dollar at 10% interest.

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To settle the loan with me, how much money do you owe me total?
Right away I would, I guess $1.10.
Right.
Do you see the problem?
What did I say in the very beginning of this whole experiment?
Well, you only had the $1.
Yeah.
Where do you get the dime?
Where do you get the dime?
The dime doesn't exist.
That's interest.

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We are paying $54.1 billion a year on the money that doesn't exist to bankers.
But that's important because we can create money that doesn't exist and give it back
to the bank so they can lend it to us and earn more interest.
But it doesn't exist.
But it sure comes out of our pocket.

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It does.
It does.
This is why every time these politicians talk about getting rid of taxes, it's BS.
They can't get rid of these taxes.
They got to pay back these things or they default.
If they default on loans, then they get their credit rating, their credit score gets impacted
and then the interest rates go up.

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So they can't borrow more money later.
It's a vicious circle.
It's the fractured monetary system and it's a colossal theft.
Who owns the banks?
Well, TD.
Like the five chartered banks.
And then bond traders on Bay Street and Wall Street.
There's all these different banking interests that loan money to us.

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If you keep on climbing up that totem pole, I think you end up with like maybe 20 or 30
people.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's all the families.
It's all the families for sure.
I mean, that's well documented.
You know, originally it does actually go back to the Rothschilds and you can go down that.
But for me, I try to only operate in my circle of control, my circle of interest, and I only

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monitor the circle of interest.
If I can't control it, I hope to influence it.
If I can't influence it, then I might just monitor every once in a while the circle of
interest.
But where I find Canadians, they spend 80% of their time in their circle of interest
and they can't influence that or control it.

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So why do we spend all our time on that?
I try to focus on things that are plausible and probable.
Like is there a good, is there a likelihood that we could accomplish this?
And is there, you know, is it something we can actually do?
So you know, thinking about all these things, I've become an Alberta, an independent Alberta

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advocate big time.
Yes.
Originally, you know, back in the Wexit days and that it was because Alberta pays too much.
Okay, well, is money that doesn't actually exist really a reason to shake things up that
much?
Probably not.
But it's different now.
Like you mentioned some of the things that are going on in Ontario and our parliamentary

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system, it just doesn't work properly.
As a matter of fact, the system that we believe that we were in, this sovereign independent
nation where we have all these freedoms doesn't actually exist at all.
Therefore we have a, if we want to be free and prosperous the way we believe we were,
we have a moral and an ethical obligation to manifest that in our lives.

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So if I look at the situation that Alberta is in right now, and actually tomorrow night,
I'm going to do another podcast where I'm watching a video.
Who was it?
I can't remember the guy's name.
From 1981, and he interviews the Minister of Energy from British Columbia at the time,

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and a fella named Knudsen from, I don't know if he's Alberta, BC, but he was with the West
Fed, the West Federation concept group.
This has been going on for a very, very long time.
And now I realized that we have to do something.

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Alberta has this unique opportunity to do this.
And one of the reasons I want Alberta to stand up and say, no, enough is enough.
If you guys quit, if you guys don't quit F'ing around, we're out and we're taking our prosperity
with us.
It's because when we have that kind of leverage to use against a system that has largely failed,

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I mean, yes, it's got us to this point, but we've seen what can happen if we don't fix
it.
We have that leverage.
Things will start to happen.
Right now, the federal government is pushing Alberta.
They're pushing us pretty hard.
It's like National Energy Program 2.0.
We're facing tariffs.
We're facing a federal implementation of export bans, which would decimate this province,

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probably worse than the NEP did.
We have Donald Trump and the United States eyeing up continental security.
And Alberta is a big part of that, including energy and border security.
And so right now, I think we have an opportunity to fix this.

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If enough people just pay attention and get involved, we can change things.
Yeah.
And honestly, you know, this is, like I said, I focus on my circle of control, circle of
influence.
This is why I started building Toto, like with the team.
Like Jonathan hired me.

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I went 33 months without a job after I got fired.
Nobody would touch me.
And I made a post.
I was frustrated because I got one interview in 33 months and then I didn't get the job.
And then I posted something on Twitter.
Jonathan's wife saw it and said, you interviewed this guy and she gave him crap.
And then next thing you know, I get hired.

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He told me about the vision and I was like, yeah, you know what?
I see it.
I see it.
I think this is a good thing.
And this is what the whole point is, is to give people a tool for civic engagement to
understand what all these issues are and then hold these people accountable.
And we want guys like Eric Bouchard who seek and accept responsibility and want to be held

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accountable to the people that put them in that seat.
These are the kinds of people that we want to have.
We want the tool where we can organize it and consolidate all that info so it's clear
to everybody.
Build a relationship.
And I think my hope is through the influence of Toto is that the public starts telling

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these people how it's going to be.
And if you don't agree, then we're going to vote your ass out in the next election or
we're going to try to get a recall on you because you guys have recall legislation.
We don't.
It's very tricky.
The bar is set so high here.
It's almost like it was just some scraps that were thrown to us to appease us and nobody
really paid attention.

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But I suppose if the entire province got together, we could do it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, you know, I look at the whole thing and I, you know, and the jokes about Canada 51,
you know, and it took me a while to really, I wanted to look at all this, the angles,
right?
And I know it's a very contentious, divisive, emotional topic for a lot of people.

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You got people that are against it.
And from what I'm seeing, they're not looking at objective data.
They're emotional in the response to separating.
Whereas you have other people who are in favor of it.
They're looking at all the objective criteria, the pros and cons of it.
And they're saying, okay, like this might be a good thing.
What I personally, because I don't have a dog in this fight, because I'm unfortunately

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not in Alberta.
I'm in Ontario.
But I would love the decision to finally come down and say, you know what, Alberta doesn't
need the United States.
We don't.
You guys don't need the United States.
We don't.
You don't.
If you stop the transfer payments to the rest of the country, or let's say to Ottawa, if

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you stop those transfer payments to them, you'd save more than enough to fund your own
army and your own air force.
Luckily being landlocked, you won't need a Navy.
And you can finally kick the RCMP out of your province and have your own provincial police
force.
And you would be the most well-managed, energy-rich province, former province, I guess, country

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within North America.
You would be the Saudi Arabia of North America.
Absolutely.
If we only stopped equalization, we would have enough money, the same amount of money,
coincidentally, as the Canadian government spent on military spending in 2019.
Total.

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Yeah.
Yeah.
Like when I was going through my officer training, I remember the budget was $12 billion a year
for the Canadian military.
You know, two years later, we were in a war.
And the conservatives started spending money on their military.
Alberta, or sorry, no, Alberta, sorry, I take that back.

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The liberals started decimating the military again and imposing the DEI and all this woke
ideology.
Continuing the legacy of Trudeau Sr.
Yeah.
And you know what?
It's ridiculous.
I mean, our people, instead of being on the range shooting, they don't have bullets because
we gave them all to Ukraine.
They don't have sniper rifles because we gave them all to Ukraine.

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They don't have tanks because a lot of them got sent to Ukraine.
Are stuck in classes learning about DEI.
And they can go to the men's washroom and get a tampon.
But they don't have enough bullets for our soldiers to go to the range and actually practice
their war fighting skills.

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And this is all under the liberal government.
It's ridiculous.
It's embarrassing.
We can't even put all of our ships at sea.
Our aircraft, we can't even fly all of our aircraft.
We don't even have enough pilot.
In fact, we can't even train our pilots anymore.
We're outsourcing.
That's what I wanted to do.
All I ever wanted to do is be a fighter pilot.
That's it.
Yeah, me too.

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Me too.
And you know what?
We can't even, we don't train our fighter pilots anymore.
We actually outsource that to the US.
We don't train our own pilots anymore.
That's how bad of a state our ships are.
30 years old, our frigates.
A friend of mine, their son just graduated from the Naval Academy.

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He was stationed on a ship in a squamboat.
Hasn't left port since.
It's been just breakdown after breakdown.
Yeah, they can't put our ships to sea.
Now for those people, there's some people out there, oh, why do we need a military?
We're peaceful.
We don't get involved in military operations, whatever.
Well, let me mention this.
Our soldiers, our service people in our military, they don't just go to war.

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When there is something bad happens, a natural disaster, they're there.
When there's anything, they're the protectorate of the province and the state.
That's what they do.
Yep.
But we don't have that.
So, the way there's four brigades across Canada, really, let's say three brigades across Canada.

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So you've got Edmonton, you've got Ontario, you've got Quebec, and they're broken up into
three major brigades.
If there's a domestic emergency in a province, for you guys, it was the Red River floods.
We've had other domestic emergencies.

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That's when the role of the Canadian Armed Forces transitions over to aid to civil power
and domestic emergencies.
It's part of the mandate of the Canadian Armed Forces.
When I was in the reserve still, I deployed to Brockville, Ontario during the major ice

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storm that we had here, where power was out for over a month from the ice storm that was
here.
I went around door to door with a firefighter trying to do wellness checks on people to
make sure that they had stoves or lanterns and food and water and all that stuff.
That is a mandate for the Canadian Armed Forces.
It's funny because during the convoy, a lot of people were very paranoid about the military.

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I said, no, there's no mandate.
There's no mission for the military here.
So I did-
Drill tried though.
He did.
Yeah, they certainly were staff checking to see if they can get the military involved
in the military.
He said, you don't have a mission for us here.
This is all law enforcement stuff.
The Canadian military is very, very paranoid about being seen by the public as doing something

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that stinks of martial law or being in a lead position in front of law enforcement.
They don't like that.
They shy away from that stuff.
That's not what their mandate is.
I knew because I participated in the G8G20 Summit in 2010, I knew that there was no mandate

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for the military to get involved in a protest.
To try to calm people down, I did one of the live streams and I said, look, there's no
mandate here for the Canadian Armed Forces.
They will not be coming.
They will not get involved.
Everybody needs to relax on that issue.
There's no nexus between what we're doing and any justification to have the Canadian

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Armed Forces coming here and getting involved in this.
This is a police operation.
And in fact, it's not even a police operation.
It's a political situation.
They just took it to a whole new level and they invoked the Emergencies Act and got police
involved and they never showed up.
How bad would it have to be before military was deployed against Canadians?

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I mean, it would just...
Yeah, they do train for it.
They do.
I remember doing the training for Op Abacus, which was the Y2K.
That was a situation where the military had spent several months training for a potential

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aid to the civil powers.
Against things like violence and looting.
People are going to do pretty awful things when there's a collapse of society.
And Y2K was a very special case.
But if it is something that violence, there's imminent violence or demonstrated proven violence

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on a grand scale that is beyond the capabilities of law enforcement, then the military through
extraordinary situations, then they could have invoked the Emergencies Act and then
engaged the Canadian military.
But the military pushed back and said, you haven't met the criteria for us to get involved

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in this.
So there are cases...
And the reason they can do that is because our military isn't under the direction of
the prime minister.
They're not under the direction of our government.
The Royal Canadian Military.
It is a weird dynamic.

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Of course, a premier of a province cannot activate a military.
They don't have a military.
It's not like in America where every governor has a National Guard.
Where the governor of the state...
State defense forces.
The governor of the state is the commander in chief of the National Guard.
And then you have the US military.

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Two different chains of command.
We don't have that in Canada.
We have one Canadian forces for our reserves and for our regular force and they all are
federally controlled.
Those are federal employees.
So when a province has an emergency and they request the assistance of the military, the
premier actually has to make a formal request to the prime minister's office and through

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public safety and all that stuff to request help from the military.
They can't go to the military directly and say help us.
It's forbidden.
One of the things...
Here's an example of how Alberta could be so great again or in the future.
Say Alberta was the independent republic of Alberta.

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I imagine there would be some negotiation with current military personnel.
Do you want to stay here and be reassigned under this republic?
Or do you want to leave?
Whatever, right?
Or do I have to negotiate with the federal government to purchase equipment by bases?
Whatever we had to do.
So now we have all this stuff.
I checked last year or during the fires and it seemed to me like there was between four

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and six Hercules aircraft in Alberta at any given time.
Kind of give or take depending on what's going on.
I also sat in my cafe with a guy who developed a firefighting technique.
And it's a product made of canola oil, believe it or not.
It's the most effective fire retardant that they can drop out of airplanes.

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Well, he also developed this thing.
It just loads right into Hercules, right in the back of it.
It mixes on the fly and they can fight forest fires with this.
If Alberta had our own military and we had a president, a commander in chief, and there
was an emergency, they could say, okay, we're going to deploy our Hercules and we're going
to fight these fires.
Right now we send up these little tiny airplanes, helicopters, and they do a fantastic job.

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These people are the pilots are amazing.
But we leave other equipment, massive equipment, expensive equipment with personnel sitting
there unutilized.
And that's, Albertish has a share of the cost of the 13.1 billion or whatever it was for
that.
We could do all those things ourselves.
BC is on fire.

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Hey, we're going to send, we're going to deploy and we're going to go help our neighbors in
BC, right?
Yes.
We can't do that right now.
Yeah.
And, and, you know, you've got one brigade, which is in Edmonton.
That like first brigade, which is your regular force brigade in the headquarters for the
army of the West is in Edmonton.

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And they do have under a domestic emergency, they, they switched to something called, you
know, JTF, a joint task force.
They now basically take off their army hat and they put on their Canadian air force army
Navy hat, their purple hat, we say, and the commander, the task force commander in a domestic

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emergency now commands army, Navy and air force assets for a domestic emergency, like
a flood, an ice storm, that kind of thing.
And then when the emergency is over, he takes off his purple hat and he goes back to just
being the commander of the army assets.
But you've got a huge area to cover because that commander has to actually cover for the

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military, you know, north of Alberta and British Columbia and, you know, in parts into Saskatchewan.
So you have a very small military footprint that has a massive area to be responsible
for.
Now you have a bunch of reserve brigades as well in those areas, but these are part timers.

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These are people with careers that if there's an emergency, have to hope that their employer
is going to let them have time off to go participate and help their fellow Canadians.
We have no mechanisms unless we declare war and we're saying, yeah, you, Chris, you, I
know you're a reservist.
I know that you own a business, but guess what, buddy, you're in the army, we're deploying,

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you're going overseas to war.
We've declared war on somebody.
We don't do that during domestic emergencies.
There's no mechanisms to say, yeah, I know you're a reservist, but you're getting called
up and you have to go fight that fire.
And there's no job security for you either.
There's no protections.
If you go to your employer and say, hey, I'm in the reserves, we're getting called to go

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help out with this fire.
Can I go?
The employers can say, you go on that thing, I'm going to fire you because I need you here.
Your place is here.
Yeah, that's Canada.
That's the mentality in Canada.
I saw people after the ice storm get fired that, you know, they said to their employers,

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I need to go do this.
And they're like, you go to that thing, I'm going to fire you.
So I wonder if they do that with firemen too, because they have other jobs, right?
They get there, your pager goes off and they go.
Yeah, I, yeah, I don't know.
I don't know how it would work.
Like it's, it's just, well, if you're on duty as a, as a volunteer, I, I, I don't know how

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that would work.
I really don't.
It seems like, you know, maybe if, if COVID hadn't come around and no scratch that, if
the government hadn't had the reaction to COVID that they did, and that they hadn't
have done the things that they did, I wouldn't probably know any of this stuff.

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And I probably wouldn't care.
And that's, I think where most Canadians were, and many still are.
They just, nothing affected them yet.
They believe everything is fine and they just, they don't care.
Yeah.
And I, my view was until people have skin in the game, they're not going to lift a finger.
And, and that's what we saw.

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I think everybody that went to Ottawa for the coat, for the convoy did it because they
actually had skin in the game.
Yeah.
And people that supported it, that couldn't make it to Ottawa also had skin in the game.
And those that were against it didn't want to even hear the other side of the story.

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They heard everything they needed to hear on the news.
Exactly.
Exactly.
The news told them what they needed to hear.
And that's the problem, right?
That's the problem.
So, here's something exciting and might be a catalyst for some major change.
Pierre Paulover has said that he's going to defund the CBC.

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What do you think's going to happen if he actually does do that?
And they're forced to have honest reporting and tell the truth, both sides and the people
and the Canadian people actually can see the truth for the first time in 45 years.
I would love nothing more than to see these people defunded, investigated, and if they

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can tie criminal activity to them, I think they should be prosecuted.
Well, there's certainly a lot of slander.
Yes.
A lot of slander.
Yes.
Yes.
I had filed, but I retracted a lawsuit against the National Post for stuff that they said
about me.
But, hey, it became more of a matter of lawfare.

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After the convoy, I was with my ex.
I got home from the convoy.
Things were very difficult getting home.
Things were difficult being home.
We didn't separate because of the convoy, obviously.

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The relationship had problems.
But for a lot of people, financially, it was absolutely devastating.
I had my bank accounts frozen.
I had just recently been fired from my job.
I had just, not even 30 days prior to that, sold the house and moved into an apartment

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300 kilometers away from where we lived, where we were happy.
And then there was an opportunity for me to get involved in the Ontario party, and I was
running in the election.
And two weeks before the election, I went home, and the ex said, in two weeks, you're
moving out, and we're telling our daughter today.

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So now I'm living on my land in a big giant tent for three months, no job, no running
water.
I've got an outdoor tent that I bought at Canadian Tire for camping for an outdoor outhouse,
and I got a bucket with a toilet seat from Home Depot.

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What a lot of people experienced after the convoy was absolutely devastating, and throughout
COVID.
And I consider myself one of the lucky ones.
What people endured and experienced during that whole thing was just absolutely horrific.

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What we saw are veterans getting beaten.
We saw our people being homeless.
You can go to Toronto now and see tents all the way down University Avenue.
There are everywhere.
I've seen the encampments out west.
What we've all gone through, and yet these people have the nerve to sit there and start

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a trade war and to piss and moan about Heinz ketchup in the liquor store.
They're completely disconnected from reality.
The federal workers, this is what really choked me up last year.
The federal workers get this raise.
They were literally in Ottawa protesting, shutting down bridges, protesting at Pearson

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International Airport.
By the way, that is classified as critical infrastructure.
Not one of these people got charged.
Not one of them got arrested.
Not one of them are being prosecuted for doing much worse than what we did during the convoy.
There's no lawfare being exacted on them.
You know what they did?
The government negotiated with them and actually gave them more.

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They actually gave them more money.
They said, yeah, you don't have to come back to work.
You can work from home.
Why do you need more money if you don't have to buy new clothing, you don't have to drive
your car to work, your expenses have gone way down because you never have to leave your
bloody house?
Why do you need more money?

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Why did the year after, the April after the convoy, why did the federal government MPs
give themselves a 20% raise?
20% raise they got in April of 2022.
Everyone's losing their job.
And here's the thing.

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Every level of government in this country broke the law.
Every level of government violated informed consent.
Every employer who forced a mandate actually violated your rights.
The police violated your charter rights with impunity.
And to this day, I've never heard of a law enforcement officer actually being charged

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with assault.
I've never heard a city councilor being charged for anything that they did, which was all
illegal during the COVID mandates.
I never saw one chancellor or president of a school get charged or arrested or held accountable
for firing people like me because I abided by the law and they didn't.

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Where's the accountability in this country?
And you know what?
I just don't see it ever happening.
I think they're going to get away with the greatest crime committed against Canadian
citizens in the history of this country.
I think they're going to get away with it.
Why?
Because there's too many people watching the CBC and CTV and global.

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There's too many people with their heads so far up their asses that they don't care.
You know what the scary part about that is?
Like this guy here, this guy's a teacher.
He thinks this is all about a mask mandate.
Like we just spent almost two hours talking about some pretty serious problems we have

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in our country.
And this tool thinks it's all about mask mandates.
You know, completely unable to see the forest for the trees, not using critical thinking
skills, nothing.
But comes on my podcast and calls us clowns because he thinks we're talking about mask
mandates.

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It's unreal.
And this is like a teacher, right?
Yeah.
And my hope is that that guy doesn't teach law, history or politics.
You know, you wouldn't believe the pushback I get against my fellow professors at the
college I was teaching at.
When I came out and said, I don't understand how you're getting around these 10 different
areas of Canadian law, let alone the Nuremberg codes.

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You know, I don't understand how you think you can do this on legal grounds.
You're literally violating and I laid out all, I put it in the book, all the areas of law.
And I got those, I cited all those areas of Canadian law from a police officer.
You know, and these are things that are fundamental to the protection of Canadian citizens.

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Like here's the thing, and I'll give this one for Wes.
Without exception, without exception, the greatest mass murders in human history have
always been the governments of the people that they killed.
Without exception.

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True story.
These are the greatest mass murders are the governments.
Nobody can break their record.
Nobody can break the Chinese record.
Nobody can break the Russian record.
Nobody can break the Paul Potts of the world.
In Vietnam, in Afghanistan, these were all the governments of the people that they murdered,
without exception.
So why isn't we're running around thinking that the Canadian government could never do

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it to us?
The only people that kill their populations are their governments.
You know, and to say that it's about mass murder, I mean, good God.
You know, we have the Canadian Charter of Rights for one reason, one reason alone, and
it is to protect the Canadian public from the government.

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That is its sole purpose.
But that the government gets to decide when we can use it.
Yep.
And that's the problem.
And you can see interviews with Brian Peckford where he says he has no idea where Section
One came from.
He wrote different sections.
He helped write the different parts of it.
He to this day is like, I have no idea where they came up with Section One.

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So that Knudsen guy that I was mentioning, who wanted to federate the four Western provinces,
he actually says right in this interview, and this goes right along with that.
This video Doug Forrest made about Canada, the illusion or whatever, how Canada doesn't
actually exist.
Yeah.
And he goes into great detail and I actually can't debunk any of it.
There's a couple of things I think he got a little bit wrong speculating, but for the

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most part, it seems accurate.
Anyway, Knudsen, he mentioned, you know, no, I'm not a separatist.
I want to start the Federation.
We don't have a Federation.
We have no constitution.
We are not a country.
We don't have a list of rules for how the government is supposed to treat us.
Therefore we are subjects to the crown.
We're not an independent sovereign nation and I want to fix that.

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And I started thinking, that's interesting.
This was in 1981.
1982, Carolee Trudeau brought the constitution back from Great Britain, repatriated it, and
all of a sudden we have a constitution with rules that the government is how the government
is supposed to engage with the people with that caveat that the government can decide
when the rules have to be followed or not.

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Like the ultimate bait and switch that I've, there is nothing more hoodwinky that you could
do to the people of anywhere, really.
Yeah.
And this is the thing, like we had the British North America Act, you know, that came over
to here.
We were using that forever.
You know, we...
But that wasn't from us.
That was from the British Parliament.

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Yes.
Yeah.
And so, you know, we took this ridiculous political system from the British.
We didn't adopt the American system.
We foolishly adopted this British gong show.
And then, yeah, you're right.
And I asked Brian Peckford personally when I met him, you know, I was actually sitting

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with Brian Peckford when our rights were being taken away under the Emergencies Act.
Like I'm sitting there with the guy who actually helped draft and did sign the Charter of Rights
and Freedoms in this country as our Charter of Rights and Freedoms were being stripped
away by the variant, you know, Justin Trudeau.

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And so the irony of the moment, you know, was not lost on me at all.
But you know, we...
You can't file a charter challenge against Tim Hortons.
The only person you can... the only group that can violate your charter rights is an
agent of the government.

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So police, municipal government, anybody who works for the government is the only one that
can... you can take a charter challenge with.
Other than that...
It specifically says it applies to the government.
Yes.
So, like, I can't file a charter complaint against Tim Hortons.
I just... it's not what that's for.
Your human rights tribunal is what that's for.

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But we do have the Bill of Rights.
And I asked Brian, I'm like, OK, what's the controversy between the bill and the charter?
And he said the bill doesn't go far enough.
It doesn't go after the police.
It doesn't go after the province.
It doesn't go after a municipality.
It only deals with the federal government.
It's not broad enough.

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So that's why they were pushing for this Charter of Rights that would be all-encompassing.
And he said every level of government had one year to go through all of their laws and
make sure that it all came within... into compliance with the Canadian Charter of Rights.
Like...
Section 1 in Section 33 are the two things that screw Canadians on a daily basis.

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This is the loophole that they gave themselves, knowing that someday they would be doing some
really stupid things to the public.
And that was their out.
And now we have a Supreme Court justice who's completely biased, incompetent, and sides
with the government.
You know, we have a guy, Chief Justice Wagner, who when Julie Prenette...

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Julie Payette, no, Julie Payette stepped down as the governor general, or was kind of pushed
out.
Wagner, who's the chief justice of the Supreme Court, took over as the interim acting governor
general of Canada.
But you got a guy who's in charge of the Supreme Court, which is supposed to be a separate

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independent branch of government, who is now just installed as the acting governor general.
And all laws have to go to this guy for royal assent.
And then they got this other rubber-stamper, and then he went back to being the Supreme
Court.
Like, this is what we've got.
This is the state of our government.
And somebody educate me on how Canadians actually have power.

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I see Stone Lee's comment, inalienable and unalienable, or visa-visa.
Do you know what's funny?
In the Canadian, or sorry, in the United States Constitution, the word inalienable does not
actually appear.
It doesn't.
It only actually appears in the first couple paragraphs of the Declaration of Independence,

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when the Americans said, okay, we've had enough of you, they're King George.
And Thomas Jefferson wrote that line, and he spoke about inalienable rights.
It's the only place that it actually appears in their documentation, right?
Maybe in the Federalist Papers, but I don't know.
But there's no mention of inalienable rights in the American Constitution or in the Canadian

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Charter of Rights.
I looked it up.
I couldn't find it.
Yeah, but I do try to use the term inalienable, because I think it's important.
I think people should recognize that and affirm it and actually own it and say, you know what,
as a human being, I've got my own inalienable rights in this country.

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And I instinctively know the difference between right and wrong.
And you, you are violating my inalienable God-given rights, or whatever you believe.
As a human being on this planet, you've got to have some pretty basic rights, especially
if we're going to call ourselves a free and democratic society.
Absolutely.
It's interesting that you mentioned the Declaration of Independence.

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One thing that occurred to me over the last little while that many people don't even think
about Canada never, ever declared independence.
Nope.
We didn't do that.
We, the United States did.
There was a bloody, messy, horrible war.
United States won.

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England was kind of embarrassed.
And when it came time for their next group of colonies to start standing on their own,
rather than put them in a position where we did what the Americans did, instead they said,
here, here's some scraps of grain.
We'll allow you to self-govern.
Yeah.
You can make your own laws.

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And we, we said, oh, yay, we're independent.
We're a country.
And the crown's like, not really, but okay, believe whatever you want.
And here we are.
Yeah.
Here we are.
I mean, we, we look at, we look at the first, uh, section one of the charter, it says, you
know, demonstrably justified, demonstrably, demonstrably justified is very subjective.

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It's like, you might say, oh, I think that's justified.
Well, this guy over here doesn't think it's justified.
In our case, I said, I said, okay, government, if you want me to close my restaurant, demonstrably
justify why you can take away my rights, justify it.
Other people did that.

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They went to court and in court, they said, uh, the government just said, the evidence
that we need to do this is our own chief medical officer of health that says that we need to
do this.
And the court was like, okay, you're the expert.
So it's obviously demonstrably justified.
So the very person we were trying to sue in court, the government and the CMOH were the
ones that were giving evidence to the court saying that they had to do that.

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How fair is that?
Yeah.
And this is the problem in a, in, I've had many discussions with lawyers and other people
on this is they took something called judicial notice.
Judicial notice is where they're like, no, we accept that as fact and we're not going
to examine the evidence.
Like gravity, for instance.
Yeah.
Gravity is a fact.

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I didn't take judicial notice on gravity, but I would think that when you are locking
down your entire country, you as a judge should never, never ever take judicial notice.
The bar should be pretty high for this.
So extremely high that you tell the government you need to, before I decide with you to take

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away the rights of every human being in this country, I want you to walk me through the
evidence.
You cannot take just judicial notice.
I mean, there's a separation of powers in this country for a reason.
The executives, the legislature, the judicial branch, which is the judges, there is a reason
they are supposed to be separate and independent.

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It is to protect us to become unbiased by these assholes.
Sorry for, you know, it's a family show.
That's the correct word.
Yeah.
And they failed miserably, miserable to protect the public by taking judicial notice.
It's a dereliction of duty as far as I'm concerned.
Absolutely.

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But just go ahead.
Just go ahead and try to get a judge in this country fired.
There's the, you can't.
Like the judicial counsel is the only one who can take a judge to task.
And who's the chairman?
Who's the chairman of the judicial counsel?
Chief Justice Wagner.
Interesting.
We tried to get a judge fired.
Rebel News put on a petition called Fire the Judge because in my, in the reasons for his

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decision, justice Adam Germain stated that I, he said, Mr. Scott acted in the same way
as a drunk driver in where his actions could cause considerable harm.
And in this case, Mr. Scott has caused immeasurable and irreparable harm to the people of Alberta.
And even the AHS lawyers were like, we never said that.

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Like this guy was giving evidence in court that I had harmed Albertans.
And that was part of the reason for his really crazy sentence on me.
And it's interesting.
You talk about judicial notice and evidence and all these things.
I actually, when I was fighting for myself, I decided, okay, well, obviously I need to

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get, I need to get some evidence of my own.
So I, Peter McCullough came on my podcast like early, early on.
Roger Hoggetson, Dennis Modri, many other people, Brian Peckford was on there three
times and every one of them were like, yeah, you know what you're doing is right.

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You're within law from, from Brian and the charter stuff and the medical stuff, Peter
McCullough and these other doctors.
Yeah.
None of that mattered.
None.
The only thing that mattered was that Dina Henshaw said there was a virus and someone
was sick.
That's it.
Yeah.
And to me, like as far as I'm concerned, it was almost a deliberate dereliction of duty

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on behalf of a so-called independent judiciary.
They failed catastrophically.
Yeah.
Catastrophically failed.
Richard Wagner.
He, you know, during the convoy, he was making public statements, disparaging the convoy
itself and it's like, Oh yeah, that was him.

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That's right.
That was him.
It's like, listen, man, how do you not read the tea leaves here and understand that eventually
some of these COVID and convoy related cases are going to make their way to the Supreme
Court.
You just now disqualified yourself from sitting on a Supreme Court for any case related to
the freedom convoy.
And the threshold is very low, you know, for a judge to have to recuse themselves.

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This guy just literally made it shoestring level low.
And any first year lawyer I'm sure is going to say, Hey, you can't hear this.
You cannot actually preside over this because you're biased.
And you said so in the media, you're on record disparaging the people that came to Ottawa.
So yeah, I mean, we, I would dare to say that we even have a professional Supreme Court

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justice right now.
And this is, this is the major problem.
So this country is founded on the principle of the pen is mightier than the sword.
We sort out our things over tea and biscuits.
We don't fight.
Yeah.
The courts is where we duke it out.
The courts is where we battle.
Okay.
So I, uh, democracy fund funded my legal battle to the tune of 300,000 or $350,000.

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I could never afford that.
So that in itself makes it so that I don't have an avenue to defend myself against the
government.
If you stand up and you say, no, if you try and use violence against the people, we will
protect the people against the violence you are going to bestow on them.
You end up called a terrorist charged with conspiracy to murder police officers and six

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and a half years in jail.
We have no recourse, no way to defend herself against the government in this country at
all, except for the courts.
And how well has that worked out for us?
No, I know.
I know.
You know, I, this, this stuff was packing.
Um, you know, I met Pat during the, the convoy.

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Um, I knew who Pat King was before we got there and it doesn't matter if you like Pat
King or not.
Yeah.
He's a, he's a controversial guy and yeah, larger than life for larger than life.
Yeah.
I mean, I know people sent me stuff.
He said very unpleasant things about me.
I was disappointed because I've always been very fair and very kind to, to Pat.

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Um, but whatever, you know, like, I don't necessarily care.
What I never liked, it doesn't matter if it's packing.
It matters because it could be you.
It could be me.
It could be anybody listening.
This is the issue with packing.
Packing is the example that if you are larger than life and you speak out and you say stuff

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on social media, they're going to seek 10 years for you to be incarcerated.
Meanwhile, rapists who rape children get three.
You know, what did he do?
He went on and he did some stuff on a live stream and he inspired people to do stuff.
The funny thing is they can't even say that he inspired anybody.

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You know, last week they were reading the victim impact statements.
They couldn't find one victim.
They could attribute to anything that Pat King did.
They said, yeah, the horn honking, the horn honking was bad, but they can't tie the horn
honking directly to Pat King.
They can't find one person out there that said, you know what?

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I watched a Pat King video and so I decided to go honk my horn.
I was motivated by that.
You know, they can't find though.
They can find videos of Pat saying, hey, we need to be good neighbors so we should not
honk our horns.
Yes.
Yes.
And so, you know, it doesn't matter if it's Pat King, Tom Marazzo, Chris Scott.

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What matters is that any single Canadian in this country could be put in that position.
And that's the problem.
You know, the judiciary is out of control.
The police are out of control.
These Crown prosecutors are way out of control.
And by the way, they're lunatics.
These Crown prosecutors, they're appointed by the premier of the province through the

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attorney general.
The attorney general is elected as an MPP or an MLA.
And then the premier of the province says, okay, you've been elected.
You're now my attorney general.
All of the Crown prosecutors across your province answer directly.
Eventually they all roads lead back to the elected attorney general.

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We have a problem in Alberta.
I don't know if it's the same in Ontario.
Pardon my interruption.
Our attorney general and the solicitor general are the same person.
The same person.
The attorney general to protect the government's interests and the solicitor general to protect
the people's interests are the same person.

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That's ridiculous.
And you know what?
Like I was very, very critical of Premier Smith because I felt that she had a duty not
to intervene in the Coots case, not to directly go in, tell the judge, hey, you shall or shall
not.
You don't have the right to do that as a premier.

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But I think that the premier could have looked at their attorney general and said, your department,
your portfolio, your Crown attorneys, the Crown prosecutions across this province are
in disrepute.
You have systemic problems with your department.

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And I'm directing you, and I think she should have done it publicly so that people understood
the nature of this.
She should have gone on there and said, this is not working.
And no, I'm not going to intervene directly in the Coots 4 case, but I'm directing my
attorney general to do an internal investigation and find out why these things are happening

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to Canadian citizens and find out if this is all above board because it stinks to high
heaven to me.
And I think that that would have been the, had I been the premier, that's what I would
have done.
I would have publicly said, I'm directing my attorney general to do a review of everything
that's going on across all these different jurisdictions with the Crown prosecutors

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because I don't like what I'm seeing.
Two things.
Yeah, go ahead.
First one, if I was the premier, and Daniel Smith is arguably much smarter than me.
She's a really intelligent person.
If I was the premier, I would do the same thing.
I would wager a few dollars that she probably has done that.

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And if I was the premier, I wouldn't do it publicly simply because if you gave the impression
that there's something wrong with your Crown prosecutors, the prosecuting service, that
puts in jeopardy every prosecution that those CPS are now have on the books.
So you could end up with a really big problem.

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Now I've, I have ripped her on social media a few times for a few things.
I don't agree with everything for sure.
And I don't, the way the Coot stuff went down, it just, it's disgusting to me.
But I keep in mind that I've heard some of the things she said, and I believe she meant

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them like the unvaccinated or the most discriminated in history that she's seen in her lifetime.
I mean, not in history.
And she knows that the reason people went to Ottawa and did the things they did were
for righteous reasons.
It wasn't a lawless crusade.
So I would bet that she probably has done something like that.

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It's possible, but the end result was there was no change.
And that's for me, that for me is a big issue.
Like we are our premiers and our prime minister don't have the legal authority to grant a
pardon, but a lieutenant general can.
And the governor general can actually it's a clemency of mercy or something.

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It falls under.
See, I looked that up too, because I was going to say, well, why doesn't she just direct
the lieutenant governor to do that?
But what I found out, I don't think they can.
I think it's actually deferred to the parole board of all places.
Now, I have a friend, his name is Rick Strankman.
He was actually pardoned for his crime of selling wheat to the United States in the

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nineties.
And I'm going to ask him about that.
As a matter of fact, I'm supposed to have him on the show, so maybe I should book him
pretty quick here.
But yeah, that is a problem.
How is it that our elected representatives don't have the power to do the will of the
people and grant clemency to somebody if the public is interested in that?
That's not fair at all.

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Because they say, right, like prosecutions are in the public's interest.
And they have to be seen as doing justice.
Justice has to be seen as being done and it has to be in the public's interest.
And I don't think that any of this was in the public interest.
And I think that this mysterious letter, this mysterious envelope in the Coots case is pretty

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disgusting.
I think that there was a lot of backroom stuff that went on that was obviously very shady.
I think the media ban was an egregious overreach on the part of the court.
You can protect undercover officers' names if you want to, but I think those names were
public anyway.

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So I'm just disgusted with the way the problem…
Now, and here's the thing.
Here's the real big truth to it.
Had Jason Kennedy's government used their emergency management, handled that pandemic
properly and he lied to the public and said he wouldn't do a Vax Pass, but then he did,

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had he not implemented those mandates, there would have been no need to manifest a Coots
blockade at all.
Had Ontario done it and the government done it, there would have been no need for the
convoy to go to Ottawa.
There would have been no need for people to be arrested in Windsor on the peace bridge
and out in British Columbia.
This was all started by the government and the people responded and said, no, we've

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had enough.
You guys have overreached and we as a public have said that you've gone too far.
You have done too much damage to us in our lives.
I can't tell you.
I mean, I think you know this, but the number of people in this country that committed suicide
during COVID, you know, it's insane.

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Like the mental health problems we have in this country.
I know many people that were on the verge of killing themselves when they found out
the convoy was coming, they held off.
That convoy saved people's lives.
We were on our way back.
And we hadn't left Ontario.
I can't remember what town we were in, but it was the one where the Petro Canada is on

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the hill.
Anyway, we pulled into this truck stop and we're driving a very visible and recognizable
picker truck, right?
So I look out the window and I see this lady running towards the truck, waving her arms.
And I'm like, uh-oh, what's going on?
So I get out of the truck and I go around to the other side and she runs up to me and

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she hugs me.
And there's tears streaming down her face.
And now Carrie and Jessica have joined me.
And she says something like, oh my God, I can't believe I got to meet you guys.
I was hours away from killing myself.
And I saw your video of what was going on and how people were doing something finally

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and you guys saved my life.
And I'm like, okay, no, I didn't save your life, but thank you for saying that.
But she was adamant and it made me realize that this whole idea that one person can't
make a difference is completely false.

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Like some of us, all we did, we drove a vehicle from our homes to Ottawa and it saved people's
lives.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I met people.
I've met many, many people.
They tell me the stories and I'm sure you've noticed this too.

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You go to an event where there's a lot of people that participated or supported the
convoy in one way or another, but it's always the same thing that happens.
You meet these incredible people that supported the convoy from home.
And in the first minute of the conversation, you are getting introduced to the very, very

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best version of that person.
And then like a light switch, they start to tell you the worst things that happened to
them in their lives during COVID.
And it's like, it's literally heartbreaking.
Like you can't help them.
You can't fix it.
You want to take the pain away, but I've had hundreds of these people tell me these

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stories.
I go to maybe, you know, like last year when I went to the, what do you call it?
The fundraiser that Chris did in Swift current, Chris Barber.
And, you know, people come up to me and they, it was the same thing.
You meet this wonderful human being.
And then the next minute they're crying and they're telling you what they went through

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during those days and how their parents won't talk to them even to this day, or their kids
don't talk to them to this day.
You know, like people are still suffering and what's happening.
We're fighting over ketchup.
We're fighting over ketchup.
Yeah.
Or genders.
Or genders.
Yeah.

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Ketchup and genders.
Ketchup and genders.
That's what, that's what matters, right?
It yeah.
It's frustrating.
It's, it's really, really frustrating to see these, these adolescent jackasses in Ottawa
talk about the things that they talk about.
You know, Jagmeet Singh, I don't know how many times that guy's lied about the convoy.

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Oh man.
He, he's a despicable human being.
But he's the most, he's the most power, he up until recently was the most powerful Canadian
politician in the whole country because 26,000 people voted for Justin Trudeau, but only
one guy keeps him in that office.
Only one guy kept stopping the election.
One guy.

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That's our system.
That's why reforms are needed.
We can't understand how, how, sorry, go ahead.
Well, I'm just going to say we can't keep up with this, this system.
It doesn't work.
I agree.
I don't understand how we can have, do you get the NDP emails by chance?
No, no, thanks.
So I, I signed up as an, as an NDP member, I paid my $10 barf so that I could vote in

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the leadership election that we just had in Alberta.
I wanted to vote for my friend, Gil McGowan.
Gil McGowan's the president of the Alberta Federation of labor.
He's just a fantastic guy that likes to, you know, flip the bird to reporters and talk
about people in the most disparaging ways.
Anyway, I wanted him to be the leader cause he's the easiest to defeat.
It didn't work out that way, but I get their, I get their emails now.

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And it's just one lie after another, one lie after other.
Chris, will you chip in $5 so we can defeat Pierre Polivier and his, he's going to sell
the country to corporations.
He's going to give all your money to corporations.
I'm like, what the are you talking about?
People actually believe these things.

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But then it occurs to me if people want to believe that the conservatives are so bad
and, and the right is so bad, they'll believe it because it fits their reality and it suits
their bias.
Yep.
If we, if we could stop them from lying, like you shouldn't be able to lie in an election

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in a campaign in Alberta, we had ads on the radio saying that Danielle Smith was going
to sell the hospitals to private interests of corporations, sell the hospitals to the
United States.
Danielle Smith is going to steal your pension and you won't have anything outright blatant
lies on the radio.
That's supposed to have some standards and no problem with elections, Alberta.
No, I know.

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I know.
So, one of the things I did last year is I wrote a Canadian declaration of non-confidence
and I did model it after the American declaration of independence.
And in the whole thing, it lists all the grievances.

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Well, that list of grievances is almost doubled since I wrote that first draft and I posted
it on my Twitter.
And then I posted it and I said, hey, what more do you think we should add to this?
And a lot of people pitched in with some really good suggestions on political reforms, you
know, and so every once in a while I reposted or I refer to it because the declaration of

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independence starts off with the justification why they're leaving King George.
And then it lists a whole bunch of solutions, a whole bunch of things that they want to
see now that they're independent.
And so I kind of took the same approach with my declaration of non-confidence.
And like I said, though, that the scandals have just piled up.

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Like the grievances just keep getting more and more.
I can't keep up with all the grievances.
But ultimately, one of the things I want to see is a licensing.
I want to see a licensing of politicians.
Like you have to apply for a license to be a politician.
And if you violate, you know, the ethical standards and all that, you get your license
revoked and I don't care what the party says.

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You're gone.
You're gone.
You know, I had this wild thought that if I could raise enough money, I would sue the
writing association in Papano, Quebec, which is Justin Trudeau's writing association.
I would sue the president in the board of directors or sorry, the CFO in the president

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of Justin Trudeau's writing association.
And I bet you if you were to look on their internal writing governance documents, there
is an ethical standard for the the the member of parliament that gets elected in that writing.
I bet you Justin Trudeau has violated it 10 times, 100 times over.

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Yet they won't hold him account.
They kill still keep him as their their nominee and sorry, as their their MP.
And they should have probably written inside their documentation that they have the right
to remove him as their sitting MP.
It's different than recall, but there are similarities there.
And I'm willing to bet that it's in there.

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I just don't have the financial means to do something like that.
But I actually considered raising money to sue the writing association of Justin Trudeau
for dereliction.
That would be fun.
Yeah, it would be.
But I don't have that kind of money.
No.
You know, if I if I had an unlimited budget, there would be a referendum on Alberta independence

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within two or three years.
Yeah.
And there's people that say, oh, well, how dare you, you traitor, you want to leave
Canada?
No, no, no.
No, I it's not the geographical location or the flag that I have allegiance to.
It's the values that this country should have or I believe that that's what I have allegiance
to and the people here.

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So if you want to fix it, you need leverage.
We need a referendum.
OK, that that helps you.
If you want an independent republic of Alberta, we need a referendum.
That's yeah, you need to do it, too.
So let's work together.
If you want Alberta to become the 51st state, we need a referendum on independence first
because the United States can't court a non sovereign nation.
It has to be a sovereign nation that can make its own decisions.

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We need to be independent.
All of those paths would be fantastic for Alberta.
Yeah, they would fix all of we could potentially fix all of the wrongs that we have right now
if we took any of those paths.
And so that's really where my focus is now.
I want to do everything I can to educate Alberta as to why we need to do this, how it would

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save Canada, probably with that leverage and how we can do it.
And you know, I'm not going to spend too much time on other stuff.
What I just mentioned about.
What the heck are we talking about?
It would have been a great segue into Toto.
We're talking about.
Yeah, well, we are planning to have referendum capability built on the block chain within

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Toto.
But here's the thing.
We're not going to just let users of Toto just say, hey, I want to do a referendum.
We're actually going to put milestones on it, like some controls to say, look, you can't
do a referendum because you want to stop people from shitting on the sidewalk.
OK, like for the beaches or the beaches.

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Right.
But but if if in your riding where you live, because like I said, it's it's geolocated
to your postal code, not your house, but to your postal code, where you're where you're
voting.
If let's say there's 100000 eligible voters in the riding that you live in, if you could
get three and a half percent of every eligible voter in your riding to join your focus, we

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will unlock the capability for you now to use Toto to host a referendum.
But we're not going to let you abuse it.
We're not going to let you waste people's time.
We're not going to let the politicians have to.
You know, it's like pulling the fire alarm.
Right.
Do you waste the fire department's time on something that's not a real issue?

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No, we want a serious back and forth professional engagement between the voters and the public
or the politicians.
But the public has to do the due diligence.
They have to do the work and they have to put in the time and be professional about
it.
They can't just be vicious and abusive to people and expect a positive outcome.

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So what we're saying is if we get a certain threshold, like three and a half percent of
your eligible voters in your riding, if you can get them to join the focus, then we will
open up the capability for you, the citizen, to create a referendum question and ask inside
your riding.
You take that referendum and you give it to the member of parliament that's representing

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you and then you get that guy to fight for you in parliament.
That's how we're trying to lead them.
We're leading the politicians to go and advocate and represent us.
That's what the intent of that is.
But there needs to be some sort of a stick as well though.
Yeah, yes.
Oh, it'll be the report card.
If you don't comply or you don't help us out at the end of the year, everyone's going to

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know how miserably you failed on this important issue that we all cared about.
Everyone's going to know that you didn't act on our behalf.
But here's the thing I wanted to come back and talk about referendums too, because it's
really important.
You said that you talk about Alberta independence or a referendum and people say, oh, that's
treasonous or traitorous.

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You're being a traitor.
How can somebody call you a traitor when you're actually engaging the democratic process of
asking the people what they want?
That's not being a traitor.
That's actually being democratic.
And this is how uneducated people are in Canadian politics.

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I'll give you a great example.
The number of people that said that the MOU during the convoy that James Bodder wrote,
they said, oh, he was trying to overthrow the government.
He sent the MOU to the governor general demanding that she dissolve parliament.
It's like, OK, wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
First off, show me in the criminal code of Canada where it's illegal to send a letter

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registered mail to the governor general of Canada.
These guys believed when they wrote that document that they were actually triggering a real
mechanism within the federal government of Canada to bring about political change.
There was no teeth in it.
There was no threat.
There was no or else.

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They sent a letter registered mail to the governor general asking her to do what was
in her authority to do.
People called them traitors for that.
People accused us of being insurrectionists.
People accused us of trying to overthrow the elected government.
That is categorically false.

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It's egregious and it's embarrassing that people are that stupid, that they actually believe
the mainstream media and said, oh, these guys are trying to overthrow the elected government
with a letter.
With a letter.
There was no threat.
There was no storming of the governor general's residence.
There was no acts of violence.

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The POAC, they testified, the police testified that there was a 90% reduction in crime in
the city of Ottawa during the three weeks we were there.
And nobody was hungry.
Nobody was hungry.
There was five people arrested the entire time for violent crimes in the city of Ottawa.

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Five.
The whole time we were there.
And yet we're being called insurrectionists, terrorists.
This is the, this is, other than political reforms, we seriously need some education
reforms in this country.
The idea of civics, mandatory civics.
Yep.
In grade school, absolutely.

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Yeah.
Like the thing that shapes our country and most of us, at least up until the last few
years, have really no idea how any of it works.
But hey, we certainly got an education now.
And for Stone Lee, yeah, I've watched CPAC and I can barely stomach it.

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Like it's, it is, they are, it is like a daycare.
It's embarrassing.
It's so embarrassing.
It's like, it's almost like they're acting, you know?
Yes.
Like how could they be that ridiculous?
Like completely ridiculous.
And the whole idea that it's supposed to be a parliament, parliament, the place where

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we speak, because we're supposed to speak and get things done with our words.
And they're in there, like some of the opposition will ask a question.
They don't answer it.
They just say, oh, we're going to work for Canadians.
No, you're not.
You're a frigging tool who's ignoring everything that everyone's telling you that we want.

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They never answer the questions.
They never answer.
They won't be accountable.
They just won't.
They refuse to be accountable.
And that's, it's really not from one side or the other.
I mean, you go back and you look when Harper was government and the opposition was asking
him questions.
It's the same thing.
Yeah.

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Yep.
Yep.
Very frustrating.
Very.
You know, and then they bring Nazis in there and celebrate.
Yeah.
And now they're going after Elon Musk.
Like Jagmeet Singh was actually accusing Musk of making the Nazi salute.
And it's funny because Jagmeet's an idiot.
Yeah.
And right after people took a picture, they took a screenshot of him with his arm extended

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out too.
Oh, there's a whole compilation.
I watched on the Infowars clip.
Yeah.
Compilation of Democrats, including, yeah, Osco, Cortez or whatever name is the constantly
it's there's no shortage of it.
And it's never been in the news, but now Musk is in the news.
Yeah.
To his credit, he's just like, you guys actually thought that you're idiots.

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You know, that's that's his response to it.
And I watched that.
I thought, oh no, Elon, why would you do that?
This is going to be awkward.
The media is going to go crazy.
And there's going to be a bunch of idiots who say that it's a Nazi thing.
And sure enough, oh yeah, out of the word work, they came.
Absolutely.
Totally.
But yeah.

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Yeah, well, that was we've been we've been on for almost three hours.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm going to bed soon.
It's 10 to 11 where I am.
Yeah.
It's almost nine o'clock, which is almost my bedtime.
I try I try and get up at five a.m. to get into the restaurant before the morning cook
gets there.
But I haven't been doing it lately.
Yeah.
It's been.

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Yeah.
And never drink liquid after eight p.m.
It'll interrupt your sleep in the middle of the night.
Yeah.
Well, I guess before we sign off, let's let's talk about your book for a second.
Yeah.
Where can people find your book?
I said Amazon.
Is that?
Yeah, it's it's on it's on Amazon.

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Yeah, it's it's available in every sort of way.
Hard hardcover paperback, audio and on an e-reader.
It's all there on Amazon.
Yeah.
I suggest, folks, if you want to if you want to know Tom's story, his perspective on
Freedom Convoy and kind of the backstory to it where he comes from.

(02:41:16):
And if you're like me and you don't have time to pick up a book by the audiobook, but also
buy the book so that it's sitting on your coffee table so that people can ask about
it and you can share.
That's also a much better way to support the work that Tom did to do that.
So why should people buy your book?
You know, I wrote that book as honestly as I possibly could.

(02:41:44):
I set out a couple of objectives in this and I said, look, I'm going to I'm going to pretend
for the book that I've got a GoPro on my head.
And that if the GoPro didn't see it, then it's not going in the book.
So that's kind of how I treated it.
The other thing is, I said, I'm not going to be unkind to anybody that participated

(02:42:07):
in the convoy.
And there are people that did did some really harmful things during the convoy to the convoy
and they've come out publicly many times and attacked me, Chris, Tamara, Danny, everybody,
even yourself, been very vicious towards us.
I don't mention any of them.

(02:42:29):
In one case, I tell the story, but I don't mention the names because it's demoralizing.
It's it's hurtful to people that were there.
They don't want to see the the nastiness, the infighting.
It's not good.
It's not helpful to anybody.
But this is the biggest motivation that I had to write this book is that I viewed this

(02:42:57):
book as as much about leadership in case in the future Canadians have to do another type
of a convoy or another type of protest.
I want them to look at this as lessons learned.
And I want them to walk away from this and say, OK, I see all the mistakes that were

(02:43:19):
made the first time with the Freedom Convoy.
And this book is kind of a blueprint to explain how to do better in the next the next go around.
And I'm trying to convey that message in those lessons learned without directly saying, hey,
next time do this.
What I'm saying is this is what we did.

(02:43:39):
This is what worked.
This is what didn't work.
This is what we should have done from the beginning.
So I'm trying to make this about understanding being in a very, very difficult situation,
what I walked into.
Like I didn't drive across Canada.
I got called on the Sunday after the like so two days after the convoy arrived, two

(02:44:02):
days after you got there, Chris, is when I got there.
I got called by James Potter.
I never heard of the guy.
I show up.
And next thing you know, I'm in the middle of a big fight between a bunch of truckers
and the police, a shouting match.
And everyone's looking to me like, hey, what do we do?
I'm like, I don't even know where I'm sleeping tonight.

(02:44:23):
Right.
So I want people to understand, you know, not about Tom or as a story, but just an average
guy that kind of got thrown into the middle of a tornado.
I want you to take away a story of Canadians and what led all of us there.

(02:44:46):
What made an army, an ex army guy who was a teacher get involved in the first protest
in his entire life?
You know, and meet people like Danny Balford, Chris Scott, Tamara Leach, a trucker named
Chris Barber.
You know, what made all of us be motivated to go and take part in that?
And I hope that the book captures that.

(02:45:07):
You know, I'm proud of the book.
It took me a year and a half to write it.
It wasn't easy.
And I feel like I lived the convoy three times.
I went to the convoy.
I sat in the audience and I was subpoenaed for three and a half, sorry, for seven and
a half weeks during the commission.
And then I wrote the book.

(02:45:28):
So I've done the convoy from start to finish three times.
Geez.
Yeah.
And, and
You did a great job writing the book and it's a, it is a good read.
Yeah, I, I, I'm proud of it.
I wrote it in my voice.
It took me a long time.
You know, I know there's a few spelling mistakes in there.

(02:45:48):
I've been told, but they, I never, I never professed to be a writer.
I'm a storyteller.
So, well, I appreciate that you took the time to do that.
I really appreciate that you stepped up and just took on that leadership role that you
never asked for.

(02:46:09):
No, you just did it out of service, but I'm not surprised that you did because that's
been your life.
Your life has been in service of others.
So also thank you for your service.
No thank you.
And I honestly, I felt like I, I had experience in, in a similar type of thing, not a protest,

(02:46:32):
but in, in operations, you know, lots of equipment, lots of people, food, you know, strategy.
I thought that I was more prepared than the average person without the background I had
in the military to go and help out with that.
I wasn't perfect.
You know, I wasn't perfect.

(02:46:53):
And I, and I talk about the mistakes that I made in the book.
Openly, I think that's important for people to see the warts.
It's not just this shining review of how great Tom Marazzo is.
It's I made some mistakes, you know, I made some big mistakes and I talk about that and
that is for the benefit of somebody going forward in the future.

(02:47:14):
If you got to do this again, then by all means, read the book and learn from, from my experience
and my perspective.
And it's on Amazon and yet the book is called the People's Emergency Act.
And I got that name from a guy, a fellow veteran named Sammy, who was arrested on the Windsor
Bridge in Windsor.

(02:47:35):
And he said to me, he said, you know, if it wasn't for the government, we wouldn't have
had to do this.
The people had to respond to what the government did.
And so in a sense, he said the convoy was the People's Emergency Act.
And I said, that's the title of my book, you know, because it fits.

(02:47:56):
That's what it was.
It's a manifestation of bad behavior on the part of the government.
So yeah.
And it was a lot of fun.
It really was.
That was, I think back to those days, you know, some of the days are bitterly cold.
Ottawa is a cold freaking place, man, like right on the, right on the river, wind whipping

(02:48:18):
all the time and cold, cold, cold.
But I have never experienced anything like that in my entire life.
And I don't, I ever will.
And I think that that sentiment's probably shared by most people who are there.
As a matter of fact, almost everybody that I have a conversation with about that, who
was there, they say the exact same thing.

(02:48:41):
So if you folks, if you, if you didn't, if you weren't able to go, the next best thing
is to read and, and hear the stories from the people that went.
Tom is a, does a great job of telling the story.
Tamara as well, her book, there, there's a, there's a few, there's a bunch of them at
my cafe, by the way, if you want to borrow one, although you can't borrow Tamara's because

(02:49:05):
she signed it and it's for me.
Yeah.
But yeah, take, take the time to, to read this stuff.
It's, it really is better than fiction.
Well, thanks for, thanks for asking me to come on.
You pulled me out of podcast retirement.
Yeah.
And thanks for, thank you for joining me.
I really appreciate it.
It's, it's been a long time coming.
I meant to do it before, but I think the timing was, was just perfect for, for now.

(02:49:31):
So yeah.
Any final words, Tom?
No, I'm good.
I, you know, other than to say, I hope you enjoyed the story.
If you do decide to buy the book, you know, I tried to make it as absolutely accurate
as I could.
I interviewed people to confirm my version of things.
It's as, as true to what I remember as humanly possible.

(02:49:55):
And in the future, you know, use todo.ca or calm.
Sorry, I keep doing that.
I think that's going to be a, it's going to be a game changer.
I'm hoping, you know, use todo.com.
Well, if we can increase civic engagement by any means, it's definitely going to make

(02:50:18):
a difference.
Yeah.
So Lois asks, can we order the book directly from Tom?
No, I can't.
I looked at different options.
But with Amazon, it was actually, I chose Amazon because it was the cheapest for everybody
to purchase.

(02:50:38):
I looked at other platforms that were going to cost a lot more money.
And I thought, no, everybody needs money right now.
That's the cheapest I could get it and get it into your hands.
So it's all, it's only available on Amazon, unfortunately.
I got a copy of the WSIS stuff.
There you go.

(02:50:59):
But you guys should, you guys should buy one anyway.
Okay.
Well, this has been another, another episode of the Chris and Kerry show where we're just
telling you some stories and offering you some insights on what's going on in the world.
This is all my, mostly my opinions and my thoughts.
I think I'm correct.
If you don't think I'm correct, post something in the comments and challenge me on anything

(02:51:20):
I said.
Maybe I'll answer you.
Maybe I won't.
We do have problems.
The problems manifested over the last five years, more than anything else I've ever seen
in my life.
And I'm only 45 years old, but this has been some very significant things.
And it's, it's made me realize that we really do need to fix some things.
It is my opinion and my position that the fastest and most effective way, the most plausible

(02:51:46):
and probable way to fix these problems is by Alberta standing up for itself and setting
an example for the rest of Canada on how they can stand up for themselves as well.
If you want more information about that, please go to albertaprosperityproject.com and check
out what they have to say.
I am a very strong advocate for the APP.
I'm not, I'm not the CEO anymore.

(02:52:07):
I'm not, I don't even really go to any of the ops meetings or anything.
I just firmly believe that that is the path, the only, the only probable path to achieve
the goals that we want to achieve.
So at least go check it out.
And if you agree, buy a membership, set up a recurring monthly donation, because this

(02:52:28):
stuff isn't free.
It just isn't.
I wish there was some major benefactor that could just plop a bunch of money down and
pay for all the IT, all the traveling, all the speaking, all the everything, but it's
not, it's not going to happen.
It's going to be the result of the support of people just like you and just like me.
So if you believe in these things, support it.

(02:52:49):
If you believe in people like Tom doing the things they did, support him, buy his book,
you know, share the information.
And that's really the way that things are going to change.
Or we can just do nothing and hope it never happens again.
And maybe just leave it for our children to deal with.
Right.
Because, you know, whatever, we're not going to do that.
Are we?

(02:53:10):
No.
All right.
Thanks again, Tom.
Thank you folks for sticking with us for three hours.
That's been along this podcast in a while.
I hope you all have a great evening and I will be back tomorrow night watching a interview
from 1981.
And you're not going to want to miss that one because I tell you right now, if I didn't
tell you it was 1981, you'd think it was today.

(02:53:30):
History repeats itself.
There's nothing new under the sun, but at least we know.
Good night everyone.
All right.
Thank you.
Thanks, Tom.

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