250211 A Discussion on Alberta Sovereignty with MartyUpNorth

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Well, good evening, everybody.

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It's Kerry from the Whistle Stop Cafe and the Chris & Kerry Show.
It's the name down there.
I can't even tell where I am.
We're waiting for Chris to come along, but I know he usually opens a book.
And you know what?
I wasn't quick enough to grab a book.
But that's okay, because we've got a great show.
We're talking with Marty up north today.

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We're going to be talking about a discussion on Alberta sovereignty.
And it's a discussion that, man, it's been years in the making, as well as there's a
lot of hot topics that are going out there right now in terms of Trudeau programing,
government, things that are happening in our own Alberta legislature and maybe even outside

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of the legislature, and as well as the 51st state and Trump and all that.
So we wanted to get Marty in.
And one of the things, of course, that our viewers know is that I was hosting and still
technically am hosting the Alberta Prosperity Project webinars.

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And we took a bit of a hiatus for a while.
I had a lot of stuff going on in my own life, as well as business and blah, blah, blah.
And I just couldn't commit to doing it for Wednesdays.
And we tried to make it more into a podcast as opposed to doing live.
But I do like the idea of doing something as a live so that we can have the audience

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engage and have discussions with us, especially on topics that are relevant as this.
And one of the things, again, that has been plaguing me, I guess, in terms of this is
we like to offer solutions.
Everything that we seem to talk about is, OK, how do we do this?

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Well, through APP, we have the five pillars of independence that we can get to.
And we want to bring all those things down.
But there's so much going on that there's a lot of times where even myself feel so
overwhelmed that you kind of go, well, what are we going to do?
There's just nothing we can do.

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But there are solutions.
And it's a matter of us all coming together and discussing and influencing, influencing
government and educating ourselves and educating others.
And I think as long as we can go through those steps, I think we're in a much better place.
Otherwise, we're all just moving to Costa Rica because I'm not quite sure what else

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we're doing.
And especially on the last couple of weeks, if anybody is here in Alberta or even in Western
Canada, you know how ungodly cold it has been for the last little while.
But you know what?
We're Canadians.
We would be complaining if it was minus 30 in January and here it is minus 25 in February.

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We complain about things, but we are a hearty bunch and we persevere and we get through
things.
And so that's kind of what we're hoping to come up with and have some solutions.
And maybe by the end of this podcast, Chris will be able to join us and offer his own
idea on some solutions as well.
So with that, I'm going to bring Marty on.

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How are you doing, Marty?
Good.
How are you?
I'm doing quite well.
I'm quite, again, quite overwhelmed with everything that is going on in the world right now.
I heard your introduction while sitting in the back room.
And you know, breaking down complex problems into something that seems more manageable

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is actually something I spent a lifetime doing.
As an engineer, when I started my career, my projects were small.
And as I progressed, some of my projects were big.
I mean, I did billion dollar projects.
And when you have a billion dollar project and you bring a room together, the first thing
you have to do is you have to tell people, first of all, you have to show some confidence

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and say, listen, you know, we will get to the finish line.
We will build this.
You know, trust me, we'll, you know, it might take four years, but four years down the road,
we're going to sit in our backyards.
When this is all said and done, we're going to drink a beer and we're going to look back
on this and we'll have accomplished it.
And then you got to bring the people in a room and break it down into smaller bits and
lay it all out and what are the steps that need to be done and delegate.

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So you know, big, so what, what we're going to talk about tonight is just one of those
things.
I mean, if, you know, um, if it's sovereignty, if it's becoming a new state, if it's becoming
our own nation, whatever it is, it's a, it's a project that can be, uh, that can be accomplished.
And just so our viewers know, we're not going to come up with a hundred percent solution

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tonight.
I never do.
I'm a, I'm what's called a, I'm, I actually could pride myself in being an 80 20 guy.
It's the Pareto rule, which is, you know, you get 80% of the outcome you want from 20%
of the effort.
So focus on that.
And then, you know, what's the expression never let, uh, never let perfection get in
the way of, of, uh, of progress.

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Like don't, you know, yeah, I think that is my biggest problem is I'm more of a perfectionist
and things have to be exactly the same way.
If that was the case, I wouldn't never get anything done because it's always like, Oh,
I just give me a little more time and I'll get this through.
And it's, and you know, especially perfection's that theory.
I mean, I want my dog to be more of a perfectionist.

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You know, I probably want my mechanic to be more of a perfectionist, but, um, and I want,
uh, air travel to be perfection.
Oh yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
But building my deck, you know, if you're going to build me a deck, I mean, you can
be 80%, maybe a little bit more and then we'll fix the rest, you know, as we go along that
kind of thing.

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That's right.
Yeah.
So for, for the people, the handful of people that may not know who you are, uh, and, and
how you've, uh, amassed a following of a hundred plus thousand people on Twitter, maybe just
do a quick 30 seconds if you don't mind.
Um, yeah, so I'm a retired engineer.

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I'm a, I'm an Albertan.
I had 35 years in the oil patch.
Uh, COVID pretty much put that to an end for me.
Like I, I was working on my own.
I had my own company and then because of COVID, I, I couldn't, you know, couldn't meet clients
face to face.
And then I slowly eased myself into retirement and then I needed something to do.

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So I got on Twitter and Twitter just, um, I found a voice on Twitter because I kind
of get to do some of that stuff.
I get to, I get to talk about problems.
I get to explain things that are complex and break it down into actually the old Twitter
used to make me do a really good job at that because in the old Twitter, remember Carrie,
the old Twitter where we had, uh, what were we, we were limited to like 280 characters,

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140, 144 or something like that.
Yeah.
144 at some point, right?
So if you, so if you had to explain something really complex five years ago on Twitter,
you had to like, I'd type it and before you hit the send button, we weren't allowed to
edit.
Anyway, so I got really good at, um, at, uh, at minimizing my words to explain complex

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things.
And so that's, that's what I do on Twitter.
I, and so my name reflects that, you know, I'm, I'm called Marty up North because I'm
an Albertan who spent most of his life working and living up North.
I currently live down South and in the Calgary area.
Unacceptable, uh, is the, um, is, is a tribute to Trudeau calling me unacceptable or fringe

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minority.
Instead of fringe minority, I chose unacceptable and a fact checker is what I do.
I just, I just have fun on Twitter every day, busting narratives.
Yeah.
Yep.
You know, that's my tagline, right?
I mean, I'm proud of that.
It's strong and free.
It's a Alberta strong and free.
I, I, um, I consider myself an Albertan first, then in a Canadian second.

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Yeah.
And Francophone and, and you weren't born here.
And I think we, we had that discussion when we were interviewing you with the APP and
you were, you were born out in Ottawa, I believe.
Uh, yes, I was not in Ottawa, but I was born in Ontario.
I went to, I went to university in Ottawa.
Hate to admit it, but I went to university in Ottawa.
That's right.
Yeah.

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We, uh, talked about, uh, the pub fathers and sons.
Oh man.
Yeah.
You got a good memory.
Yeah.
Wait a minute.
How come you remember that?
So what's your connection to father and son?
Uh, what's that?
You guys, you guys went there to the convoy, right?
Or no, no, actually, you know what?
Uh, I believe that was closed at that point, but, uh, no, my ex, uh, went to law school

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at a UFO and, uh, so we would go, go there.
And then of course we stayed at the Swiss hotel, which, uh, and during the convoy, which,
I mean, it was kind of down the same street.
I mean, it was probably a good mile or two down the street and we never did venture out
that way, but, uh, but it was something that I looked up to see whether it was still operational
and it wasn't at that point.

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Oh, that's too bad.
Yeah.
It was one of those, uh, those, uh, places that you can just forget this.
I mean, I, I must've eaten breakfast at father and sons like a thousand times in my life,
right?
Like almost every day during university, it was a dollar 10 buck 10 buck 10 for two eggs,
uh, two pieces of sausage and, uh, toast.

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And now he'd nail you.
If you, uh, you're allowed one little cup of coffee, if you had an extra coffee or an
orange juice or any substitution, all of a sudden your breakfast was six bucks.
But yeah,
That is funny.
But that was, that was the way things were back then.
And um, you know, things have, things have definitely changed a lot.
There's a, we just, we ended up, uh, I've, I've got a bunch of side stories, but I'm

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not going to bore everybody with them, but just in terms of dealing with all the restaurants
and things that I do, even with my jukeboxes and, uh, video games and, uh, and DJing and,
and all that, it's amazing.
Well, and as well as our own bar, our tap house that was closed.
Um, it was amazing how much, like we used to have wings for 10 cents, five cent wings.

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And then they went to 25 and everybody complained about how expensive they are.
Now they're like almost two bucks a wing, almost anywhere you go.
They were genuinely, I remember being a student in university, like every pub had a different
night for a special, right?
So all you can eat because they wanted to attract the students and we're poor.
Like so yeah, they would have all you can eat chicken wing night, like literally all

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you could eat.
Yeah.
And, but then the beer would be three bucks or four bucks.
So, so they get you on the beer and, uh, yeah, yeah.
Tacos and yeah, I miss those.
So that's it.
I'm going to go off on that.
I'm going to keep going on that tangent for a bit because this is an interesting discussion.
Uh, just how the way things were, right.
The way things were when we were growing up and, uh, things have changed so much.

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The, um, do you really think that if, if I'm going to jump things, uh, right here, if
you really think that the prices of food and drink have been influenced from outside sources
outside our own provincial jurisdiction.
Now it could be through carbon tax.

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It could just be, um, you know, bringing stuff in through the States, blah, blah, blah.
So, is there any way that if we were our own sovereign province or nation, do you think
we could ever get back to those prices again?
No, we're done.
Well, no, we're not done that.

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I mean, you know, a lot of, a lot of the costs that, that a lot of the costs over the years
that have increases is seldom because of, uh, of lack of something, right?
I mean, food's an example.
Food is way more plentiful than when you and I were kids.
Oh yes.
And it should be dirt cheap.
Yeah, it should be dirt cheap.

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Yeah, absolutely.
So it should be dirt cheap, but it's been, it's been artificially inflated because everything
around us is inflated and that all comes back to our governments.
I mean, our government, our currency that we use is no longer backed by gold, right?
So we have this, we have this, this paper currency and, and the paper currency, you know,

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we don't want to get into a million details, but it only works if there's inflation, like
the, like a piece of paper printed by the government has to be worth a little bit less
in the future so that they give you a new piece of paper.
And so, so inflation is a necessary evil.
And yeah, you know, people say one or 2% kind of thing makes the whole system work.

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Sometimes it gets out of control and it gets, because governments do really stupid thing
like we've seen in the last few years.
But anyways, so to your point, no, you know, it's, it's, I don't think it will ever come
back down to those days.
No, and that's a shame too, because of course then the, the argument that a lot of people
have in terms of how they, they hate the current government and is well, then, you know, we

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should just raise the minimum wage.
And as soon as people say that it's like, do you not remember the situation that even
happened in Fort Mac where they did raise the wage for people that were living in Fort
Mac, but they still tried to keep the coffee, the same amount of like a buck or two bucks.
It doesn't work.
It just doesn't work.

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I don't even know why politicians still entertain ideas like that.
I mean, if, you know, as an example, just today, I don't, it might not have gone out
broadly speaking, but I, you know, I registered to receive the newsletters from the liberals.
So I got, I got Christia Freeland's newsletter today.
Maybe it went out to the populace and it was her plan, right?

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And in her plan, if I'm elected leader, I'm going to put a control on food prices.
You can't do that, Christia, like you can't do that because you know, if, if, if the avocados
in Mexico, if that farmer had to spend a buck on water and seeds and fertilizer, and then
he had to spend a buck to send it to us here in the store, I had to put 50 cents on it.
And that avocado ends up being $2 and 50 cents if Christia Freeland says that, that the store

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won't be able to charge us two 20 more than two 25 for that avocado.
You know what?
It's going to happen, right?
The guy in Mexico is not going to send it to us.
You'll send it to some other market.
So or we don't get the avocado or the other option is the federal government subsidizes
it and then go paying for it.
Everybody who doesn't even want avocados.

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Yeah.
You know, I'll be happy if the avocado is 250, I'll say, forget it.
I don't need an avocado that bad.
But yeah, the government will subsidize this.
And even though I don't want one anymore, I'll be, I'll end up paying for it.
So yeah, they actually this, this, this whole week, this whole discussion on not this week,
this past three weeks, these discussions on tariffs and stuff like that.

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For me, there's a, there's one big discourage this concerning point is that Canadians are
ill informed when it comes to economics and how, you know, it's just sad and how easily
they're swayed.
I mean, we're, we're seeing in the polls this week, people, people are saying, Marty, you
can't believe the polls because there's polls that showed that the liberals were closing

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the gap with the conservatives.
I'm sorry, folks, but one poll, I would say maybe, maybe there's just an outlier, but
it's been three or four or five polls nowadays.
And, and then you can see it and we do our own little impromptu polls online and the,
the, the, you know, Trump has scared Eastern Canadians in particular.

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And when they're scared, they're easily enticed to go back to voting liberals.
And so the liberals are temporarily, I mean, you know, once, once, once, once they select
their leader, then that poor leader will have a couple of weeks to sit in parliament and
then, and then hopefully we get our common sense back.
Yeah.
One of the problems I've got with polls anyways is no matter what, what kind of pool it is,

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they're always skewed.
And so here's a perfect example is if you decided to put a poll under your Twitter account,
you're going to get everybody that follows you.
Now it could be, you know, you're skewed right away.
You've got 80% supporters, 20% that are trolls.
They're going to try and influence that poll.
And so we, we found that even through some of the polls that, that were, you know, saying,

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you know, how, how is Danielle Smith doing?
And it depends on where that is.
If it's on CTV and it's, it's headed or it's based out of the East, you can for sure, without
even looking at it, know that that's not going to be a very positive poll in her direction.
But yet if you have something that's here and maybe more independence minded through
a Western standard or somebody, you're going to get a better skew.

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So I'm not even sure how polls and we talked about this before.
Yeah, yeah.
No, no, you never had a poll.
You're right.
I mean, so, so for instance, the latest poll today was one by a polling firm called Lege,
right?
And so Lege did one, it was done on the 9th of February.
And I went and looked at it.
So a couple of things you mentioned, you know, don't quote me exactly, but they, they called

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1500 people and it says right there in the poll that they called like 430 francophones.
While obviously it's already skewed because francophones make up 12% of Canada's population.
So if you've called, if 30% of your respondents in your poll, that's already a little bit.
Yeah.
And then, and then the other thing they did in the poll, which I found really disingenuous
is they, they asked the question like, you know, who would you vote for today?

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You know, liberal or conservative.
Then they asked, uh, who would you vote for if Carney was the prime minister and who would
or the leader and who would you vote for if Freeland, but they didn't offer a question
with Ruby or with Frank or with, uh, Karina Gould.
So right away then, then, then, then they put this thing that says, if, uh, if Carney

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was the leader tomorrow, he has a better chance of winning against Paul.
Yeah.
It's like, yeah, but you didn't even ask, you know, you, you, you didn't.
No.
Yeah.
Or, or they don't even ask you like, you know, what's your voter intention?
You get four choices while it's always liberal, conservative, uh, NDP and green.
So if you're a PPC supporter, then they're not even on the question.

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And so that's, that's not an accurate poll.
Well, by the way, congratulations to Vicky.
Yes.
Oh, yes.
She secured the PPC nomination.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Good for you.
So I'm the PPC candidate for, um, Alberta yellow.
No, I forget what it's actually called, but yellowhead, right?
So is it, uh, is it, it's yellowhead.

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Yeah.
Yeah.
It's just yellow.
So, but, uh, for the, for federal, so yeah, we're going to be driving around all, uh,
all through, um, no, all along the Rockies, actually yellowheads are very nice writing.
It's the one that's, uh, squeezed between the, between the BC border, the Rockies.
And highway 22 and the cowboy trail.

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Exactly.
Yeah.
So you're going to go to beautiful places like Nord egg and Rocky mountain house and,
uh, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
So I know she's, she'll be watching.
So that's good.
Thanks.
Thanks for letting her know that.
And, and it's, it's, you know, I haven't really been involved on that side in terms of federal,
because to me, it still ends up being, how can we make change municipally?

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How can we make change provincially?
But there is definitely a component because no matter what we do, even if we decided to
become our own, uh, our, our own, uh, country right now, there's still amount amount of
time before that takes place.
And it could be easily one or two federal elections before I think that happens.

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Right.
Well, I, I, I made a pretty detailed post on that, uh, last week.
Um, it would take at least 10 to 15 years, maybe even.
Oh yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So we are definitely in this for the long haul.
So I guess, uh, we are professional podcasters now, cause we've got 20 years of, uh, I'm

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doing this.
Uh, Chris just happened to pop in, so I'm going to bring him on and, uh, see what's
going on with his life.
How are you doing there, Chris?
I'm doing well.
And how are you carrying Marty?
Good.
You didn't miss much.
We've been, uh, we've been just reminiscing and, uh, shooting a breeze for a while, holding
off on the big heavy topics.
Yeah.
Okay.

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Sorry.
I was late.
I was, uh, I had my son at a basketball game today.
It went a little later than I anticipated.
So that's totally fine.
You kind of look like you have a bit of a grumpy face.
So anything going on?
Why would you say that?
Ooh, is that a nice dark beer?
Is that a Coca-Cola?
No, that's a wine.
I'm old now.
It's wine.
Oh, okay.

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It's actually a bottle of wine that Dennis, uh, Dennis and Lana Moldry bought me.
I figured I'd try it.
Very nice.
Yeah.
So yeah, we, uh, you know, we, we briefly just talked about some of the things about,
uh, you know, kind of what's very glossed over what's going on in the world right now
in terms of, uh, uh, Trudeau, proroguing government and, uh, Marty's put a couple of things up

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on his, uh, and his, uh, Twitter page and all that, but we haven't actually gone into
anything, uh, specifically.
I don't know if you want to start that or we can cover all of the current events in
like three minutes.
Oh yeah.
There's nothing going on.
So we don't know.
I mean, it's just a normal everyday run of the mail year as far as I can see so far.

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Yeah.
Yeah.
Parliament is pro rogue.
Trudeau is running around in Paris.
Uh, we're on the verge of a trade war.
We got a leadership race.
We got the NDP making weird province promises.
We just appointed a fentanyl czar.
Um, oh yes, that's a great one too.
Like his CV links.

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Amazing.
It's only normal week.
Normal.
Oh, don't, and don't forget the asteroid, you know, of course there's the asteroid throw
that in the next two.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, uh, it's certainly exciting.
And I said this before, there is no shortage to content for any kind of podcasts that anybody
wants to do these days.

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Like it is absolutely nuts and, uh, it's almost impossible to kind of put your finger on one
thing that we should be talking about or working towards.
Um, I default, of course, Marty, you know this, Carrie, you know this to Alberta independence
because you know, all of these paths seem to lead to a referendum on independence, no
matter what we're talking about doing.
So that's, that's what's kind of kept me grounded, so to speak.

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Otherwise my, my, my hair would be falling out faster than Carrie's.
Well, and, and, and to me the, um, yeah, so I, I think we're, you know, we're all on the
same page.
I said that before you joined, I'm, I'm an Albertan first and the Canadian second.
Uh, I'm, I'm definitely on the record as saying that, um, I think confederation after 157

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years is a failed experiment and I don't see a way out of it, uh, with, with the usual,
uh, chit chat of reforming parliament and this and that, like, uh, Senate.
No.
And, and, um, I, and, and to me the events of the last couple of months have actually
solidified that.
I mean, you know, look at, look at the, uh, look at the threat of a, of a trade war with

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the U S wasn't sufficient to bring the country together.
Some politicians tried to make this appeal to overall on team Canada and it didn't work
because we, the, the threat of Trump is not the same across the country and people wanted
to respond to it differently.
So we couldn't, so even when we're supposedly confronted with an existential threat, we

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don't unify and then, and then, and then in that, in that whole process, this whole thing
of, of, uh, team Canada was hilarious because, um, Alberta wasn't on team Canada for a while,
even though everybody was suddenly screaming, Hey, we should have diversified the economy.
We should have built pipelines.
We should have done that.
And then really never said anything like that.

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Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's all news, right?
To everybody.
And Trump backs off temporarily says, okay, I'll give you 30 days before I, uh, and then
I'll reconsider.
So then they go and, and, and interview, for instance, the premier of, of Quebec and say,
okay, you know, a week ago, you're all in favor of pipelines.

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Now how do you feel about pipelines?
Well, as soon as the threat was gone, what did the premier of Quebec say?
Yeah, there's no appetite for pipelines in this country.
And then we're right back to where we were.
So, um, and, and, and to me, the threat of Trump was, had some pot potential negative
consequences, but I, but I, being a glass half full guy, I think it exposed the rest

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of Canada for some of, for, for the hypocrites they are.
And then, and then it made me, um, think that, uh, even sorry, I'm rambling a little bit,
but even today when people say, uh, you know, we were talking about the polls and it looks
like the liberals are, are, um, closing that gap with the conservatives, boy, if the liberal
still an election from us again and go back into power, perfect.

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That just makes my job that much easier.
That's I've said that.
Can you imagine if Trudeau wins, it wins again?
Yeah.
We'll be, we'll be pulling the pin and no one's even going to care.
It's just going to accept it.
It won't be true though.
It'll be Carney.
Oh, it would be like that much worse, right?
Yeah.
Oh, you mentioned, yeah, go ahead.
No, no, I was going to say, uh, Carney is, you know, people, when, when Trudeau first

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got elected, I was worried about Trudeau.
I, you know, I honestly was because, you know, back in 2015, this guy gets elected.
I'm like, oh shit, like he's going to be in power for 20 years.
I honestly thought he would.
Luckily he's a, he's so narcissistic and he screwed it up.
And now, you know, he's in trouble.
I think Carney is worse than Trudeau.
I mean, if Trudeau, if Carney gets in, he's going to steal elections for the next 20 years

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and he ain't going to screw it up the way Trudeau did.
He's going to way, way smarter, more experienced.
Yeah.
So Marty, you mentioned team cap.
And every time I think about this whole, you know, the premier is all coming together and
they're making this plan to fight back against Trump.
First of all, that's the most ridiculous thing ever fight against the U S okay.
Good luck.
But it reminds me of a South park episode and where they're, where they're trying to

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get something done.
So they just sacrifice Kenny to get the thing done.
Alberta is Kenny, you know, like, yay.
We're team Canada.
Let's just throw Alberta to the flames and we'll, we'll win.
No, we're not.
We're just going to, this is the most Canada is a divided nation.
It always has been your, your comment about it being a failed experiment is, is completely

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bang on.
And you know, I, I, at one time I kind of thought like, oh, I'm sad about this.
This is a depressing thing.
It's a, it's just not working.
But the reality is it doesn't have to be depressing.
Okay.
We tried this.
It didn't work.
Maybe we should try something different and accomplish the same goal.
Like the same, the goal was well from, from the West perspective work together.

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We're stronger together.
We don't have barriers for trade and we prosper.
Well, we have the barriers interprovincially.
It's more difficult to trade province to province than it is with the United States.
Yeah.
That's sad.
Yeah.
It's, it's not an equitable relationship.
It doesn't, it doesn't work for anyone other than the central Canada, right.

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Which I, I imagine might've been the goal in the first place, but it's just an opportunity
to do something better really.
Yeah.
And for some people it will be an emotional attachment which will be hard to let go.
And for others, it's just the fear of the unknown.
Right.

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I mean, and that's just, that's human emotion for a lot of people.
I mean, we see that a lot, like, like, you know, as an example, I'm surprised that people
still resist the idea of an Alberta pension plan, even though I could show you like demonstrably.
Oh, that'd be way better off.
And then you go, well, yeah, people are just, it's just emotions at this point.

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They're just, they're just scared or, you know, and it's weird emotions are, yeah.
Like do I, do I love Canada?
Sure.
I love Canada.
And I'll go to, you know, I'll cheer, put on my Canada sweater when I go watch the Olympics.
But then when I go watch the, the, the, the, the, the bond spiel, the, the curling bond

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spiel, there is a team Canada there, but then I'm wearing my team Alberta sweater and I'm
cheering for Alberta.
And I go, yeah, well that would like this, this, this, I'll get over that emotional aspect.
Like if Alberta became its own state, its own country or its own whatever, like I, I
won't mourn Canada.

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I won't bother me for very long.
We'd still have the flames.
We'd still have the oilers guaranteed, right?
Do we have to keep the flames?
What's that?
Do we, I'm asking for a friend.
Do we have to keep the flames?
Is that a thing?
Yeah, we need a battle of Alberta.
We still need to.
Okay.
I'll give you that one.
But you know, you know what the, yeah, you know what the best way to deal with emotions

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is fight them with different emotions.
Here's an idea.
So our friend, Nikki Hurley, thank you, Nikki, for being in the comments.
Every single podcast we do, that's fantastic.
We love you being here.
He mentioned earlier, end equalization, a hundred percent.
I want to end equalization too.
You know, one of the things we could do with half the amount of the equalization money
that we send to Ottawa for which we received zero back, we could, using half of it, we

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could get rid of everybody's transmission distribution charges on their power bill tomorrow.
Boom.
Yeah.
Just like that.
That's an emotional, an emotional reaction to a good policy.
Right?
What?
What do you mean my power bill that we've been complaining about for 15 years has gone
back to reasonable again?
That's what pro that's what independence and sovereignty looks like.

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Huh?
Maybe, maybe I'm not really such a team Canada.
Maybe I believe in prosperity and a future for my children.
Right?
Yeah.
You could, you could lower the retirement age to 63.
We could give everybody a slightly bigger retirement pension.
Yeah.
With the pay Alberta pension plan.
Of course.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You, oh yeah.

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There's a lot.
Boy, don't get me started on, on, on amount of wasted money, not just in Alberta, but
federally and what we could do with wasted money.
It's just, it just, it's just shocking how much we waste money.
Shocking.
So let's, let's have a discussion that says, okay, we've all decided that this is the way
we're going to go.
We're going to become independent or at least have that referendum.

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What steps would be required for us to, to actually bring that together?
And I know we've talked about it through APP, but I'm more thinking about, there are certain
steps that we would need to do as a province before we say, you know what?
There are some of us that like the 50 for state idea.
There's some of us that like to stay within Canada.
There's some of us that like to just say, no, we're pulling the pin and we're leaving

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as a province or maybe we leave as a group of provinces, Saskatchewan, maybe Northern,
Northern BC, et cetera.
So we all decide that, yes, we're going to go ahead and do this referendum.
What happens then?
Well, I'll tackle that.

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Before we do the referendum.
So first of all, the referendum, we, we, you know, I, I grew up in, in Quebec.
Yes.
So, and I lived through one referendum when I was a kid.
And then there was like, weirdly there was another one within 20 years, but I would say
referendums are probably generational once every generation.

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So if we're going to have a referendum, you don't, you don't get to have another one three
years later, four years later.
So you've got to be very well prepared for that first referendum.
I think, I think here in Alberta, before we consider having a referendum, we need to make
sure our, our house is a little bit more in order.
And we need a couple of things.
We need to, to look like we're sovereign before we even, because a referendum is the, it gives

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us permission to negotiate with Canada or whoever to separate, but we need to, we need,
we need to have, we need to not look like we're bluffing.
Right.
So, so, and, and that, that, that goes back to what we often call the Alberta firewall
or the, you know, we need, we need our own tax collection agency.

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People say we already have one because we collect business taxes.
It's not enough, right?
We need, we need to kind of do.
Yeah, we kind of do.
So we need to beef up our tax collection abilities.
We would need to beef up our policing.
Like we have the sheriffs and stuff like that, but we would need something like Ontario or
Quebec has the Ontario OPP or the QPP.
We would need an Alberta provincial police that, which we're close, right?

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Again, we're very close.
And then, you know, beef up our constitution, beef up our, perhaps our Alberta pension plan,
a couple of things, but, but at the bare minimum, we need a tax collection agency and a good
solid police force and a few other things to show that we're serious, that we can act
on our own.
And, and, and by the way, and your viewers know this, right?

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What we're, what we're proposing to do for ourselves.
That's that's what Quebec did, right?
Quebec did that in the sixties.
They prepared themselves for that referendum.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then, and then you do the referendum.
Sorry, Chris, what we are, we are working on some of those things like the Alberta pension
plan.
That is a big one.
That that's absolutely key.
Like you mentioned, Marty tax collection, we already have the, the structure in place.

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We just need to bolster it a little bit.
It's got to be a more robust system.
We need to take control of immigration, which people are screaming about anyway, make sure
that's good, whoever we're bringing into our province is to the benefit and, and, and,
contributing to the overall prosperity of the province.
When you take control of employment insurance, which we overfund by over a billion dollars

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a year.
And I'm missing one, Kerry.
Oh, police.
Yeah.
You already mentioned that Marty and Alberta has began giving their sheriffs more responsibilities
and power so that they're just like RCMP.
So you know what, you're right.
Once we get these things, once we take control of the things that we already have constitutional

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and jurisdiction in, we become, it's an easy transition.
We're already doing the things and we only have to do a couple of little minor, you know,
painful things after.
Yeah.
In the back of our head, we need to be, you know, we need to, you know, we need, we need
something to back up.
Even we might, we'll probably use the Canadian dollar at first, but let's say we choose to
go with an Alberta dollar.
Then you would, then you would realize we need either a mint or something else.

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We'd need to think about our own little militia instead of maybe an army, things like that.
But yeah, so you, you, you, you get that, you start looking like you're acting sovereign.
You got your own strength and then you're in a position to, then you put it to your
people, right?
In a referendum, are you in favor of negotiating with Ottawa as a starting point to be either

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completely separate or some sort of union?
And, and, and, and then you go from there.
And then the number's not that big, right?
What do we, what do, what did we establish?
We need, we need 600,000 signatures.
We need, I think it's 20 to trigger the referendum.
Yeah.
So 600,000.
Yeah.
Well, actually that's not true.
We don't need those signatures to have the referendum.

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Our government can, they can propose a, put a referendum on the table anytime they want.
Oh, they could do it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You like to get it done.
Just, I'm just trying to clarify for the viewers there for us to make it happen.
We need the 600,000 signatures.
And that's what the Alberta votes.
Yes.
And then the Alberta vote to register your intention.
You're right.
If somebody pissed off Danielle Smith enough, you know, kicked her off to Canada.

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She could do it tomorrow.
She could go right tomorrow and say, here's Bill, whatever.
And I'm proposing a referendum.
Hell, she could skip the referendum.
She could almost go right to, instead of the sovereignty act, just go with the real, the
real sovereignty act, you know?
Well, likewise, she could do that with the pension plan as well.
And just because she basically said, she said right at the beginning or right in September

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when they were proposing it, they said, you know what?
We're going to take a step back.
We're going to let, we're going to let the province decide on what was going on.
And the kind of fiddle faddled all the way through that, which is why we're in the situation
where we are.
There's a small group of us through the Alberta First Pension Group that are trying to influence
and basically educate Albertans so that they understand that the pension is the, it's the

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low lying fruit.
It's all, we just need it to get done.
And then if that happens, then hey, taxation should happen right away.
It will be in a better position for employment insurance.
And then of course we can continue on from there.
So I'm going to touch on this comment here.
Yeah, go ahead.
This comment here.
So stop with the referendum BS.

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We need to place a constitutional convention.
Folks, if you want a constitutional convention in this country, the fastest path to do that,
actually, the only path is a referendum on Alberta independence.
That is it.
So the criteria for a constitutional convention in this country are almost unattainable.

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What do you think they mean by that?
They want to fix the constitution.
Oh yeah.
So there are a lot of people that have contacted Chris and myself and probably you have said,
have you seen the Canada, the myth video?
Right.
And it's the one that looks like a PowerPoint presentation talks about the events of 19,
1877, 1908, all the subsequent events.

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I mean, it's brilliant.
It's probably a hundred percent true.
I'm not negating any of that.
Or 90.
Yeah.
But there are certain steps to do that.
And of course, one of the solutions it says is to make sure that the provinces do their
own constitutional convention and or work.
Yeah.
Marty, did you see?

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No, I just want to add one little bit.
I hear those videos all the time and this is what I tell people.
It doesn't matter what the rules were too much time has passed and we live in a country
that is based on common law.
So once something happens and you let it happen and you don't fight it, then it becomes like,

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it doesn't matter what it becomes the law.
Right.
As an example, Trudeau implemented the emergency measures act and we barely fought it and the
courts had a little bit of argument.
It's too late folks.
It's now become precedent.
The next prime minister 10 years from now can say Trudeau did it once.
I'm doing it again.
So that's the same argument with the constitution and this and that.

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People say Quebec didn't sign it.
They didn't freaking sign it, but it's been 30 years.
So now because...
And the Supreme Court ruled on that.
Yeah.
So at this point, it's a done deal.
They're in confederation.
So anyways, what were you going to say, Chris?
I'm sorry.
Well, I'll just in line with what you're saying, Marty, the way I explained it is a country
isn't a thing.
It's not tangible.

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It's something that exists in the minds of those who inhabit.
So we in this country, the majority of people, we decide this is our country.
These are our laws.
These are our rules.
These are our jails.
These are our police with guns.
This is our army.
And that's the way it is.
And if you want to fight that or push back against it, then you're basically, you're
going against the majority of 40 million or 44 million people.

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Right?
Yeah.
So that's...
Yeah.
I agree.
It doesn't matter anymore.
It's another example.
I mean, four weeks ago, Trudeau prorogued parliament and everybody said, well, he can't
do that.
It's like, folks, he just did.
But he did.
Yeah, he did.
So he did.
And unless somebody succeeds this week and going to court and having the court say, you

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can't do that, if the court says you can't do that, then that'll be a precedent.
And if the court says, no, he did what he did, then guess what, folks, there's not a
special rule book somewhere with all the rules of the country.
It's just a bunch of traditions.
Actually, that's the best word.
Most of our country is actually based on traditions.
Tradition.

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Yeah.
Yeah.
So what happened in my opinion, at least from what I've gathered, it was actually Trudeau
senior that closed the loophole on the whole idea that we're not actually confederated.
We're not a federation.
It's not, wasn't done correctly.
I did a podcast where we were watching a video from 1982 and we were watching...

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What was the guys?
What was the guy's name?
Webster.
Webster.
He was interviewing Elmer Knudsen.
Now, Elmer Knudsen, he was the president of West Fed.
And he was saying, we're not actually federated.
And he brought up a lot of the things that were in the Myths of Canada, including that
we didn't really have a constitution because a constitution is by the people on how the
government can interact with the people.

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But our original BNA Act was Britain saying, this is how we're going to interact with you.
It wasn't proper.
Elmer said, we need to do it ourselves.
We need to federate.
We need to do it as a constitution.
And he wanted the West Fed provinces to start it.
But in the meantime, Trudeau brought the constitution home, repatriated it.
And now, I believe that ship has sailed.
So we can flog that dead horse as much as we want, or we can get on the shiny other

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white one right...
I guess it could be black too, because it's got to be...
It's in our backyard.
Yeah.
It's a zebra.
We can get on the shiny zebra that's standing right beside that dead horse and we could
go.
And so that's what we should be focusing on.
Yeah.
Somebody telling me, hey, Marty, you didn't sign the wedding papers on your wedding night
25 years ago.
So technically you and Karen aren't married.

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Okay.
Good luck telling my wife that we're not married.
She's going to say, no, we've been...
That actually happened to me.
I'm not even kidding you.
That's for a different podcast.
Actually, this whole...
Marrying Canada to a relationship or marriage is a very good analogy.

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People like hockey, but in this case, Alberta is an abused spouse who's just been treated
like shit and we need to get the hell out of this relationship.
Yeah.
The great Canadian milk cow.
We've talked about how we were kind of not even lured into this back in 1905.

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We were just basically told as a province to join and back then we were all worried
about what are we going to eat next week?
Freezing to death in the winter?
Almost like now.
And things just happened.
And now we're 122 years later.
We got to figure out...
23 years later.

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You got to figure out...
Most people living here in those days wouldn't have even known it was happening.
No.
Right?
Like you're living in...
Yeah.
You're living in the East River in 1899.
You might get one newspaper a month.
Yeah.
And then suddenly somebody says, hey, we're part of this thing called confederation.
Oh, okay.
Does that change the price I get for my wheat?

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No?
Oh, then I don't care.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They're too busy surviving to bother with these things, right?
We're just kind of roped into it.
I really like the comments.
The comments are great in this podcast site.
So thanks folks.
One thing that I see coming up quite a bit is comments about the different provinces
should join together and do these things.

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And I cannot stress this enough.
There is a legal pathway under our current laws in this country, the current articles
of a confederation that allow a province to secede from confederation.
It's outlined in the Clarity Act.
It says exactly what has to happen, how it happens.

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And basically it says, you know, the referendum on independence, clear question, clear answer
may result in secession from confederation.
Well that also means it may not.
So all these people who are saying we should join with Saskatchewan, 100% agree, Western
Canada would be a great union.
But the first thing that has to happen, at least according to our laws in this confederation,

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each province must be independent first.
You can't have two or three provinces say, we're all seceding under this referendum.
It doesn't work like that.
Provinces are sovereign in their futures.
So we choose our future, they choose their future, and then afterwards we could decide,
do we want to work together?
Same thing with being in a 51st state.

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The United States cannot absorb a non-independent entity.
They cannot do it.
We can only do that if we're independent.
Well they could with the military, but that's a complete different thing.
That just doesn't happen these days.
Yeah, to your point, if Alberta votes, has a positive referendum, and so does Saskatchewan,

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each province then has to negotiate independently the terms of secession because each province
has different debts and different agreements.
There's First Nations, there's national parks, there's infrastructure, there's all sorts
of things.
Yeah, and to your point, joining, after that you're independent, then you make an application

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to the US if you want to join the US.
And then all those things we did to become sovereign, we have to do them again and we
have to adjust them.
We have a constitution, a provincial constitution is inadequate to become a state because the
states have their own model of what a constitution looks like and fundamental rights.
And that's the other thing in the US constitution.

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Any group that join, any state that joins after joins on an equal footing to the other
states that are already there.
So gun laws and things like that, they're automatic.
We would have to adopt a lot of things that the Americans already have.
We couldn't keep some of our old, some of our institutions we couldn't even keep because
the other states that go, no, no, no, no, no, that's not how it works, man.

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You guys are going to have elected judges like the rest of us.
You cannot have appointed judges, things like that.
So that's why I said at the beginning of the show before you got here, Chris, it is, it's
achievable.
We just need to break it down in pieces.
But I would say, you know, as a step one being sovereign or appearing sovereign within Canada,

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that's achievable in the next five, six years, 100% with the right premier who wants to make
that happen.
You know, and I have an idea, Marty, once you're done, I want to fill you.
Yeah.
I mean, it does look like Quebec that can happen quickly, a referendum and leaving Canada
and as a step one being an independent, that's probably 15, 20 years.
And then joining the U.S. you join next as a territory and then perhaps as a state.

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I don't think that's going to be in my lifetime, but I could be wrong.
And likewise, we could do all the laws that the states have.
If we've already gone and done that process so that we're our own republic or independent,
then all we would say is, yeah, we like this stuff that the U.S. have done.

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Let's bring that into our own constitution.
And then so what's the point of joining the U.S. at that point?
That's well, there is.
I'm there.
I'm there with you.
I mean, I'd rather.
Well, there's a couple of advantages to joining the U.S. right.
You get the you get a giant military.
50 other partners who come and help you and then you perhaps get the American dollar.

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But then you are.
Is Alberta as as a state closer to Washington than it is to Ottawa?
Not physical distance, but in terms of attention it gets, I dare say we believe in the Senate,
only in the Senate.
Right.
Yeah.
That's the saving grace with the United States is that each each state has two senators.
So a lot of things, you know, they're made or made or broken in the Senate.

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But what?
What if I told you we could actually accelerate this process?
We can make this happen quicker.
I mean, we don't we don't have a government right now that seems to have much of an appetite
for making big waves.
I mean, they're making some small waves, but, you know, the Alberta Pinch Plan, it's a big
wave taking control of immigration, all those five things that those are big waves.
We can do that and we can do it a lot quicker.
What if what if we had 30 or I don't know, let's say 65.

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Alberta first, Alberta, sovereign Alberta minded individuals who believed in fixing
the things that we've identified are wrong in the last few years, specifically like the
covid judicial review.
We need that for sure.
We need to take control of all of our sovereign jurisdiction of the Constitution.
What if we had 65 people that agree to that and we put them as nominees for every position,

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MLA position in this province?
And we sent 50 or 60 good men and good women to the legislature that had those things in
mind.
Now, all of a sudden, say, Daniel Smith is still the premier or somebody else.
It doesn't matter.
Now, all of a sudden, you have a very large group of people who are pushing along with

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CA boards, along with the provincial board of the party, pushing in the same direction.
And inevitably, those things would happen.
If you propose that to me about three, four years ago, I would have been more on I would
have been right there with you.
The events of the last three years, there's I'm still digesting the events of the last

(50:04):
three years, which is because what I would have said to you back then is, first of all,
I would have said, well, how about we just make sure we take control of the party and
change the party from within rather than start a new party?
I would have said that.
But now, in hindsight, I'm like changing parties from within is almost impossible.
So, so, yeah, you've got to do what you're doing.

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You got to change a party.
But then I'm still worried about the 65 individuals have to be led by a premier at some point.
And the premier has to be on board because the darn premiers and prime ministers in this
freaking country have so much power that even when even when their whole party seems to
be behind them, they still go and do their own thing.

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You know what I'm saying?
We haven't seen that yet.
We haven't seen a whole party behind them.
Like right now, I can write that seven or eight that would that are just rotten apples
in the bucket.
Yes, we did take over a lot of different things.
Right with with party and maybe many few MLAs were replaced.
But the reality is we left a lot of rotten apples in the bucket.

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And you know what happens when you leave one rotten apple in the box?
It spreads.
We just you don't we left the 11 in the bucket.
So we need to get Yes.
Yes.
Exactly.
No, no, I see where you know, I you know, we could fine tune this.
But fundamentally, I agree.
Fundamentally, I agree.
You need to put 65 people in place, including a premier, somebody with a lot.

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I mean, doing the changes we are suggesting, it's just it's just political will.
Right.
Look at Trump.
Yeah.
I mean, look at what Trump did.
Right.
The guy comes in the power and signs what?
90 executive orders, man.
And he's going to be wrong on some of them.
But who cares?
He's got political will and then he'll fix it.
And that's what we're missing in Alberta in particular is political will.

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We haven't had this.
We haven't had political will.
You guys were here during King Ralph.
Right.
I mean, Ralph had political will like an and and the will to do it and the will to put
up with the shit that comes with doing it.
Because it's it's it's it's it's nonstop.
Right.
He he was attacked.
He was attacked, attacked, attacked, attacked.
Yeah.

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But he was not necessarily well liked at the time.
There were there were lots of groups that didn't like him.
But then when you look back on it, it's like, oh, King Ralph.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, no.
At the time, the people were chastising him.
They were saying that he that everything he was going to do was going to destroy the province.
And I'm sure he was getting hate mail and, you know, not eight hate emails.

(52:35):
Back in those days, he sent the premier letter with a stamp.
But no, I'd love to see that.
I think we're we're getting close to that.
We're we're you know, if if the profit.
Well, let me backtrack a little bit.
There is still one obstacle.
I mean, the 65 people are there and you still need to put the 65 that the 65 people need

(52:57):
to win.
The danger that we keep seeing is even if we have 65 only, you know, whatever 40, 45
end up in the legislature, the other side, the NDP, for whatever reason, keep succeeding
in electing people in this province.
And I'm and I don't know.
That's another problem we're going to have to solve.

(53:17):
You know how we solve that?
We somehow get you as the doge czar.
That's how we do that.
I'm not even kidding you.
Imagine if you went in and you started looking at the finances of this province and how much
money moves or unions, who gets paid, how the union bosses are weaponizing unions against
government like the.

(53:39):
No, no, no, no.
You're option.
You've said it correctly.
The way we solve it is the way we solve it is we bring government back to a manageable
size.
I mean, part of the like we shine a light on it.
Yeah.
The people are voting NDP are fundamentally people who work for the government.
So you so you you shine a light on it.
You eliminate the waste.
You shrink the government, which takes a lot of the votes away.

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And you do one other thing, too, is which Saskatchewan did is you you decentralize the
government away from one place.
Right now, it's all in Edmonton.
There's too much in Edmonton.
So you shrink it and then you move it out.
You put you put the energy ministry in Fort McMurray.
You put the agriculture ministry in in that Grand Prairie.
You put tourism in Camorra and you move you move people around.

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So there's never that huge concentration.
You know, the Edmonton Strathcona should never exist.
Like there should never be a place that is so socialist that it will always vote socialist.
That's that's how you do.
Yeah.
But that and that you do a brute force or you do it secretly or I like that what you
said you you shine light on it, man.

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Like, well, you know, nobody nobody's arguing with what what Elon and the government's doing
in the US.
Right.
Nobody's arguing.
I'm sure arguing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But the average the average American, if you say, are you really happy about sending 20
million dollars to Iraq for for a gay Sesame Street show?

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No.
You're like, you know, I said the same thing today.
If you our governments are so big that they become an entity in and of themselves and
they just spend money because they're big and because they have money.
And if Canadians knew just how bad like we've been actually doge has had an impact on Canada.
We've been exposing it all week long.

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Right.
There's oh, yeah.
People are calling for.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Canada needs those.
Hey, yeah, absolutely.
And that said, yeah, if we if we if we if we shine a light on that kind of stuff, I
mean, we would get those NDP voters.
There are some legitimately good people who vote NDP because they believe NDP is the only
way to get better health care, better education, better social services.

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They must vote NDP.
But if you show those voters the truth about what they're actually doing and how they're
voting for the opposite of what they want when they allow that type of stuff to happen,
they would change their vote in a heartbeat.
Those are the ones that we can win.
The other one is just going to curl up in their basement and cry.
Yeah.
And actually, you bring up a nice point.

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Like last week, there was a poll in Alberta.
There hadn't been a poll in Alberta since July of last year.
So I think it was the NDP who commissioned a poll.
There was a poll, and I was surprised that the poll still showed the number one concern
of Albertans to be health care.
So solve that problem.
Like if the you know, I've always said like to Danielle, like if you solve health care,
then you take away that that that lever from the the NDP.

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They won't be able to say, well, we want better health care.
Give them the damn better health care.
And then and then they won't.
Yeah.
Then they can't complain.
Well, I think she's trying to do that.
It seems to be a lot of a lot of that's a mess.
I'll say Alberta health is a mess.
Well, even this week, I couldn't figure out I couldn't get to the bottom of what happened
last week.
Like I don't I it does look sass.

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Right.
When you when it when you fire the whole board a second time in in two years.
Oh, like what's going on?
I thought that was weird, too, until I realized that kind of is aligned with the timeline
in breaking up the AHS and the different departments.
I didn't understand it at first.
And then I realized, OK, well, we're kind of at that time now where we don't really

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need that board.
And now we're supposed to be divesting the services into different groups with different
leadership and different boards.
I think it was more than that.
But again, I've I've been getting letters from the NDP for a week straight about how
Daniel Smith needs to resign.
She's got to step aside.
She's so corrupt.
I'm like.
Why?
Where?
What's what is the thing that she did?

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And nobody can tell me.
Maybe there is something.
And I'd like to know.
I have seen it.
It's so complex, though.
It's so complex that Nancy probably can't put it into one email.
Oh, man.
Nancy can't look straight ahead.
Yeah, no, I'm with you.
I like what's.
Yeah.
What's bad about firing the whole board?
Like the worst thing, the worst thing I can say about firing the whole board.

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This is the worst thing I could say is that while you hired them and you fired them, so
therefore the worst thing I could say is you made a bad choice.
You know, you you had bad judgment in hiring them in the first place.
I I you know, that's a criticism that I could that I could lay on her.
But beyond that, I don't know what the criticism is that you fired a whole.
I have a major criticism.

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Major criticism for Daniel Smith.
Her communications team sucks ass.
They're terrible.
They are so terrible.
I mean, I've watching the NDP completely walk all over our government and our party for
forever.
And I rarely hear a peep out of them.
I rarely hear anything challenging.
And I just I hear this going on around me and I just it boggles my mind.

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It's one of her.
It's one of her blind spots.
She surrounds herself with friends and you know, and you can't do that.
Like you got to you got to have somebody who can who can truly be there to to to spot to
call out when you're being blind to something you can't surround in politics.
I guess it's so easy to be to surround yourself with yes, men, you know, I worked in industry

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and I worked like I I I liked a team I did not I like a team of people who will tell
me Marty, you're full of shit.
Like that's perfect.
Right.
Like if I'm in a meeting and I'm getting gung ho and I'm all pumped up and then I turn and
I mention his name, I won't give his last name, but I used to have a guy named Gord
on my team and then I look at Gordon and I see the body language.

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I'm like, OK, sorry.
I'm believing my own bullshit.
Why did I miss Gord?
And then Gordon say, well, you forgot this, this and this.
I'm like, OK, thank you.
Yes.
Thank you.
You know, like surrounding yourself with yes, men, when you're trying to advance projects
and and solutions, that doesn't work, man.
That's bad.
And obviously the advisors that she has are not doing their job.

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No, they really are.
Yes, men.
They're not.
Some are.
Some are.
But and she's got better advisors and Kenny Kenny Kenny surrounded himself with like,
you know, his old buddies from Ontario.
They didn't even know what was going on.
But yeah, we're not going to pick on Danielle too much for the you know, it's been noticeable.
I backed off on her a little bit lately and she's got some popularity and I like what

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she's doing.
And you know, if she's team Alberta and she's, you know, the enemy of my enemies is my friend
or whatever the else.
So if she's not entirely popular with Trudeau and the other premieres, then that makes her
think that's a good thing.
I'm told I'll support her that way.
Absolutely.
But make no mistakes.
I have my ulterior motives to which is I'm I'm I'm driving towards an independent Alberta.

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Like so here's another question about the independent Alberta.
So of course, we all know that 20, 20, 30 and what things are going to happen and then
and or at least that's the timeline 20, 20, 50.
Here we're already talking about things that are going to take place, you know, five, 10

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years down the road.
So my question would be, are we running out of time on any of these solutions?
No.
You're talking the big like 20, 30.
We are going to have Trump did us a favor there, man.
Trump is the defunding.
I agree.
I think he did.

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He did.
He's castrating.
That's what he did.
They're begging now.
They're begging for funding.
Absolutely.
And look at what happened again two weeks ago.
Trump attended the World Economic Forum by conference, right?
He didn't go in person and that's right.
And he gave a speech and in his speech he was black and white like I'm securing my bird

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border.
I'm becoming I'm kickstarting my economy.
I'm drilling.
I'm imposing tariffs on everybody else.
I'm taking care of crime.
I'm putting America first.
And rather than lambaste him and try to crucify him, everybody suddenly started asking him
questions like when can you make this happen?

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Can you send us the LNG?
How do we make sure we stay on board with you guys and maintain our preferred client
status?
And then you realize that the people at the World Economic Forum, they jump ship right
away.
And some of them, it's the flavor of the month.
They're like, okay, we're going to do net zero.
It's the popular thing.

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And some of them deep down, it's fashionable.
And deep down they realized this didn't work.
And they're like, we need a way out.
Trump comes along.
He's giving them all a way out.
Like instantly you're going to have half the guys go, oh, thank God I can finally drop
the bullshit, right?
Like I don't need to do DEI.
I don't need to do net zero.
That's all.
Even Christian had said that in one of the press conferences that they were saying, yeah,

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we never really did believe in the carbon tax.
It's like, really?
And yet you were the finance minister.
Yeah, I was only doing what I was being told.
I was being a team player.
Like, okay, well, that's great.
Yeah, look at that.
That's what we want to elect.
Yeah, yeah.
Five banks already announced they're dropping all their net zero stuff and how many come,

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you know, the University of Alberta dropped DEI.
Everybody's like, you know, some guys are ready until the end.
That means a Jagmeet Singh.
I was at a health conference about a month ago and that was DEI was a topic.
And sure enough, right at the very end, everybody was actually, they didn't even call it DEI.
They called it EDI.
I think just to kind of get around the whole, what it actually was.

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And you could tell that people were like, no, we're done with this.
So I think it's going through the...
Yeah, there's little pockets of resistance here and there, but it'll...
Yeah, I'm actually quite surprised that Carney's still hanging on to his variations on the
carbon tax, but he's the world economic forum and he's going to have to be the cheerleader

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until the very end.
Yeah.
Well, if you have globalist ambitions and you're really not interested in Canada, then,
I mean, why would you change your ways?
Just keep going.
But one thing that really surprised me about the after conversation at the WUF, like after
Trump did a speech, there were some conversations that I watched where they were actually saying

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things like, oh, you know, where did we go wrong?
We need to change our plan a little bit, you know, talking as if like, oh, where did we
lose the faith of the people, blah, blah, blah.
Well, maybe when you tried to tell them that being a human was a fricking scourge on the
planet and we all need to die in order to save the world, right?
Maybe that's where you went wrong.

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So it was...
I think those were Trudeau's exact words about two weeks ago, actually.
Somebody literally asked him about that.
Like, don't you think people have bigger worries than climate?
Like don't you think putting food on their plate is a bigger worry?
I remember that.
Trudeau literally said, well, it might be, but it's no, it's not.

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It's my job to make sure they understand that the climate is the bigger worry.
It's like, yeah, you're out of it.
You're out of it.
So, yeah, I mean, look at the funny stuff this week.
Like Jagmeet, was it yesterday or today that Jagmeet said we should impose a hundred percent
tariff on Teslas, like on electric vehicles?

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I'm like, dude, like you've already passed a law that says we're not allowed to, like
you've already passed a law that says we're not allowed internal combustion engines after
2035.
Yeah.
But now you won't let us buy Teslas.
They already put a hundred percent tariff on Chinese made EVs.
Now he wants to put a hundred percent tariff on what are we supposed to do?

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And when they talk like that, that's when you realize they don't know what they're talking
about.
They have no idea.
And the municipalities just imposed bylaws that fuel stations in the greater Vancouver
area have to have charging stations.
So hey guys, go out and spend $150,000, $250,000, $500,000 with the weird municipal permitting

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in Vancouver so that you can charge these cars.
Oh, by the way, we're not going to have any more come into the country.
So smart.
Yeah.
No, yeah.
Look at, look at Christy Freeland today.
She said, if I'm elected, I will fix the price of food.
I will eliminate GST on first time home buyers, which by the way, there are no first time

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home buyers lately.
Like anybody buying a house is somebody who currently has one and who's swapping because
young guys, young kids are not buying homes.
What else did she say?
I'm going to reduce, I'm going to reduce the middle tax bracket from 22 to 21 and a half,
which will save like $250.
Like you guys are out of ideas.
They're complete.

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It's like, really?
How about you give us a $5,000 tax break?
Like how about you literally like, you know, reduce the tax brackets, every one of them
by 2%.
And you know, when they, when they do this 22 to 21 and a half percent, you think, okay,
well we'll save that.
Do you, do you know coming from a corporate sort of situation, how many forms have to
be reprinted?

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How much learning has to be redone in order for this to work?
Kerry, the GST break that they gave us that Christmas, right?
It went from the middle of the month, like it went from the middle of December and it
ends next week in the middle of February.
So if you're a business who runs on the calendar day or calendar month, yeah, you're screwed

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in the middle of it.
I know, I know, I know.
I know.
Yeah.
Welcome to the bar.
I wonder if it was intentional.
Are they that inept?
They can't be.
Can they be?
Well, they did the same thing during SERB.
Remember SERB?
When, when, when they did SERB, whatever it was, three, four years ago, I remember because
I still working in those days and I was doing payroll and, and, and SERB periods were like

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in these two week periods that didn't even coincide with a typical month end or pay period.
And then at the end of the year, when we issued T4s to staff, we had to give box 40, which
was their earnings for the year.
But then we had to say how much they had earned in there was a box 40.A, B, C and D, because

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we had to declare earnings during the SERB periods so that the government could then
cross reference whether somebody had received SERB and earnings at the same time.
The year end T4s at that in 2022 were a freaking nightmare.
Nightmare.
Yeah.
Where, so when it's that complicated, you feel like telling your employees, okay, you

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guys all keep working.
I'm going to give you all $2,000.
Don't anybody apply for SERB and I'm giving you your T4 with one fucking slip.
Done.
It'd be, it'd be easier.
Yeah.
But the businesses did that with the GST, right?
Because they knew, like the GST break over Christmas, if Walmart sold the little Legos

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for kids age seven and under, they had no GST.
But if an adult like me bought his Lego combine, which was rated 18 and over, that wasn't considered
a toy.
So there was GST on that.
And so now I'm at the counter and I'm looking at my bill and I didn't do it, but people
are complaining going, oh, come on.

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The stores just gave up and said, you know what?
No GST on everything.
We'll figure it out later.
Like, oh, that's just crazy.
By the way, this is crazy, right?
Like I get this for Christmas from my boys.
Like Legos are so different than when I was a kid.
I went to the Lego place in the, in West End Mall.

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I haven't, I haven't set foot in West Edmonton Mall in 25 years, my friend.
I, well, if you ever get to go to a Lego store, yeah, it's pretty cool.
There's one in West End.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
At my niece, they had the Harry Potter castle and it was like 800 pieces and took four days
to put it together or whatever it is.
And it's so detailed.

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And it's like, yeah, there's no way we did that.
When we were growing up, we were biting the bricks off because they were sticking too
hard.
I have three sons, right?
So I always gave Legos to the sons at Christmas.
And then, you know, as a dad, you end up building some of the Legos for them.
But now, now it's weird that Christmas, one of my boys gave me that combine.
I'm like, that's cool.
I got Legos for Christmas.

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Wow.
Yeah.
Fascinating.
You know, the whole, the whole idea of a, about sovereignty, I mean, as we've gone through,
there's a, there's a lot of complexity to it.
And like you said right at the beginning, Marty, that you can't look at it from this
big giant way of looking at it because it is just so overwhelming and we have to divide

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up the chunks.
And I think that's kind of what we need to educate people on as to what sort of chunks
there are and how people can get involved in those certain chunks.
And of course, some of the comments have been coming up about not only federal and provincial
government, but municipal as well.
And I think no matter what, we, we have to get involved and there's no sense in us sitting
back anymore and hoping that someone else is going to do it because no one else is going

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to do it.
If it's not you then...
Have you seen, what was that movie with aliens and the dude that flies his fighter jet into
the anus of the spaceship?
You mean like a Star Wars kind of thing?
No, it was like a, oh, not men and not Will Smith.
Yeah, it was Will Smith was in that one.
It was Men in Black.

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The crop, the crop dusting drunk pilot was flies the F-16 into the spaceship and blows
it up.
Oh, Independence Day.
Independence Day.
How can I forget that?
Well, when we're American, I'll remember it.
Can I say that out loud?
Anyway, this is how I think of what you're talking about, Kerry.
We got all of these little things going on.
We got municipal governments doing weird things, which by the way, municipal governments folks

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are a figment of the provincial government's imagination.
They don't actually exist.
We legislate them into existence.
So that's a municipal government.
They're doing all these things.
The provincial government's doing some things we don't like.
There's outside organizations, non-governmental organizations that are influencing our politics,

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shaping our future.
We don't elect them.
They're not accountable to us or anything.
That's a bad thing.
The federal government does all this crazy stuff and they're having elections and leadership
and blah, blah, blah.
But at the heart of the matter is our province.
And as soon as you realize that we have the ability to deal with all of those things in

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one fell swoop, the fighter jet up the anus of the spaceship to blow it up is the referendum
on Alberta independence, because that gives us all of the leverage we need to do all of
those things.
And if at that point we can't fix them, it gives us the moral and the ethical, legal

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justification to declare independence and fix them for good.
So we can deal with municipal stuff as much as we want.
We can deal with the federal government, try and elect the leader of the liberal party,
which would be fun to do as a conservative.
But at the end of the day, there's only one thing.
There's only one thing that's going to solve these problems.

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And that is Alberta standing up for itself as a sovereign nation, charting their own
course.
Yeah, yeah.
No, and the way we were starting the show is we were talking about trying to find solutions
instead of just bitching about the problems.

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And one of the things we talk about is it's a complex problem that needs to be broken
down.
There is one, there is one chat.
There is a couple of big challenges though.
People get there eventually, but there's a couple of big challenges.
Not everybody has the same vision.
And there are people who have a different vision, who have a lot of power that are working

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against us.
So that's like when I was doing projects, if my boss said, this is what we're doing.
And then he gave me the team, pretty much everybody on the team was moving.
The challenge was big, but at least we're all moving in the same direction here.
I spent a shit ton of time last summer going to NDP town halls because I wanted to go in

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and bust their narratives, right?
Especially the ones where they're bad mouthing the APP, the Alberta Pension Plan.
And when I was in those town halls, I went, oh my God, like the NDP MLAs are literally
lying to people and telling them like a bullshit story that's against what we're trying to
do.
We have to fight some of that disinformation.

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Anyways, I don't want to get into that.
We're winning the battle.
We're winning the battle.
What we're doing is we're breaking it down into pieces.
We're shining light on that corruption, on that wastefulness.
We're giving good examples.
Luckily, once in a while, we have an ally like Trump next door who shines the light
on how it's done.

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And we'll get there.
I mean, we'll get there.
We'll get there.
And this is, I guess, where I will chime in and say, you know, folks, if you want to
go that direction, the only group that has maintained this position from their inception
is the Alberta Prosperity Project.
And what, Marty, what you're describing, it's you're saying it's necessary that we have

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a massive amount of education and we get this, we shine the light on these problems and we
educate people as to what the solutions are.
That's what the APP is all about, and that's what they were created to do.
That's what they are doing.
So if you want to tip the scales a bit, help them out.
Volunteer, donate, get a membership, do whatever you can to help them educate Albertans as

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to the necessity of this referendum and how we fix these things.
And not only that, but Kerry has spent like the last what, year and a half, Kerry, doing
webinars for APP on behalf of the APP explaining to people some of these other problems that
we're trying to deal with and other things they can do while we're pursuing the greater
goal.

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Right.
So I would encourage you all to check it out.
Yeah, no, and yeah, APP has done great work and so have a few other groups.
Right.
And like, I'm not specifically affiliated with any group.
I lend my voice to a lot of groups because they all have the same kind of goal.
One thing I'm still working on in the coming year and years is to bring some of the other,

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like to try and create that bigger tent where we come.
And we saw it, right?
We saw it at the AGM.
I mean, you know, I am Albertan and take back Alberta, well, not take back Alberta, but
APP and others are coming together.
And yeah, yeah, we have to, we have to, because that, unfortunately, that is one of the problems.

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It's not a problem of the right, but it is a problem of the right, right leaning individuals
are by definition independent.
Yes.
And they're by definition independent, self-sufficient, proud.
And so bringing us together under a common cause is, is, is always a problem just because

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of that.
It's a, it's a good problem to have, but it's, it is a problem.
We're independent, you know, so we get, we get along until that.
The pesky 5% difference kind of causes us to burn everything down around us.
Yeah.
Historically, that's what's happened.
Boy, when we got a really, really good common enemy, boy, did we ever come together then,
right?

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I mean, that's, but I, but I don't want to create a false crisis just for that purpose,
but we were getting close.
We have a crisis on our hand that could perhaps bring, bring us all together finally once
and for all, you know, that the crisis is the,
if the liberal steal an election.
I mean, if they, if the liberals get reelected to me, they will have stolen an election and

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that's, that's existential.
That's a crisis that we will have to deal with.
Like, and in a sense, there's a sick little part of me that kind of hopes they do, you
know, go ahead and steal an election, kick the hornet's nest and see what happens.
Well, it certainly gets people to pay attention, doesn't it?
Yeah.
And then for sure the independence movement would go through the roof.

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There would be no question about that.
Well, look when Trudeau won his second term, right?
Weksit just exploded and the numbers grew exponentially in weeks, you know, and there,
I thought, holy crap, this is actually happening.
But like usual, it just kind of, well, and behind the scenes as a, as a website manager,
you did notice an uptick in the last couple of weeks, like of people signing up for the

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news.
I was going to say that APP has, has had like 2000 signups, at least within the last week,
we just had a meeting last yesterday.
Wow.
It feels like two days through or three days ago.
And no, it was just yesterday and we were going through some of the numbers and there's
not only a lot of people that are signing up, but a lot of people are asking how to

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get involved.
So that's amazing.
And that's what we need, right?
Well, the UCP AGM in November was another example of that.
I mean, it's, it was, it doesn't matter what, you know, if you were completely for or against
it, the fact is eight, almost 7,000 people from a party came to an event in Red Deer.

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Like that's big, you know, boy, they organizers next year's AGM, we're going to have to pick
a bit.
Where are they holding it?
It's in Edmonton and they originally wanted to have it at Rogers, but that was too expensive.
And they, they weren't sure whether or not they'd get, I think the break even is like
15,000 people there, whatever it was cost wise.
So it's that somebody in the comments will know where it is, but it's like at the, as

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a convention center or something there, that's a, that easily holds like 7,000 people.
So that's the idea.
And I think they've actually announced the, where the, where it's going to be.
Although again, if all of a sudden there was a surge and they had 10,000 people be the
same thing as what happened at Red Deer.
It was going to be at one venue and then they had the casino, I think.
And then they ended up changing it to Western or park, which again is probably like twice

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that size.
So yeah.
Yeah.
And then, and you know, and we said Albertans or right leaning people are generally independent
and are hard to, to whatever muster together.
And then Albertans by tradition, we're not very political.
Like it's, it's my experience.
I mean, I've traveled across the country and like politics in Quebec is a blood sport.

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Like Quebec, like, you know, the, you see it manifests itself in like every political
party in Quebec, for instance, has a youth branch that's very active.
So you'll have the liberals and the young liberals and the conservatives and the young
conservatives and people, people take a very different approach to politics.
Whereas Albertans, we tend to be the make hay when the sun shines kind of people.

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And we've, we're seldom political, which is why we were so easily abused for years.
And, and that's changing, but that's another, but that's a real problem.
We don't have a youth branch of any of our parties.
Like we got to get the youth in this province involved.
Yeah, for sure.
But I was going to say, I think in the last four or five years, I think there's a lot
of people that are going to be involved and they're going to stay involved.

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Yes.
Right.
We were so passive.
Like I, I certainly wasn't involved in politics prior to even 2019.
Like even, even at that point, it was kind of like, Oh, I'm looking at doing something.
But when my business was shut down and it affected us, affected Chris, obviously affected
you, Marty.
That's when things went.
Yeah.
We need to, uh, to do some, yeah, I'm active in three constituency associations, uh, in

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Calgary air two in Calgary and my own here in, uh, Eric Cochrane and the Eric Cochrane
HGM this year was in January.
I'm like a miserable cold day, sir.
Similar to today.
Like it was like minus 25.
I thought, Oh God, nobody's going to show up.
This is going to be a flop.
And I showed up as like, Whoa, there's a hundred people.
So we had, uh, you know, it was good.

(01:22:19):
We had, we had people volunteer for all the roles, president treasurer, all the roles.
We had the directors.
We had a good chat and it was encouraging.
And then, and then of course I go to the, the Calgary law heat in, uh, in, in Calgary
is extremely busy.
And then I go to Acadia and a few others.
So yeah, there are people are, um, people are waking up that, um, you know, it's actually

(01:22:44):
the it's better than voting, like getting in, like you said, it is choosing influencing
from the inside, choosing the candidates that then become the MLAs.
That's where you, uh, that's where you win the battles.
Yeah, absolutely.
And you know what we've found out it's kind of fun too.
Like the, the UCPA GM, it's a blast.

(01:23:06):
Like it's an absolute riot.
There's so many awesome people there.
Like even some people you disagree with, you get to chat with and the food is great, but
it's not as great as the whistle stop cafe.
Um, but it's, it's good, right?
So it's, it's not just a boring, dry political thing.
I mean, some parts of it is like policy and governance stuff is really like, wow, but
it's important, but the stuff around it is great.

(01:23:28):
It's a great time.
I saw Morgan swung by your, uh, your restaurant the other day.
Oh yeah.
We had lunch together.
Yeah.
I need to, I need to make a trip that way.
I have no, I, I just don't travel anymore.
I just don't have it.
Well, I'm up there all the time.
You can catch a ride with me.
So that's easy.

(01:23:49):
Maybe we'll do that.
So we'd love to have you there, Marty, for sure.
Yeah.
I'm trying to convince my wife.
We need to go on a trip somewhere, but, uh, she likes to stay at home right on.
Hey guys, how long are we going?
I'm just, uh, we're going to wrap up right now.
Really?
I was just going to say, so any last words before we sign off here?

(01:24:10):
Well, there's lots of questions, but I think we got most of them just in the nature of
the conversation.
Okay, let's meet again in a month from now when, uh, after the liberals have elected
their new leader.
I mean, even Nikki said that too.
Uh, if the plan to elect a liberal Ruby in the leadership election actually occurs, then
what, as opposed to Carney or, uh, Freeland.

(01:24:33):
I asked the question today.
Like I think they're going to disqualify her.
They're going to find an excuse to disqualify her shortly.
They're going to get down to the two.
Yeah.
She's so popular.
Uh, but then on the flip side, they don't want to disqualify her because I think she
is, she's, she's beyond splitting the vote.
She might actually win.
Like, uh, she's got a powerhouse machine of raising money is what she's doing.

(01:24:56):
So no, it's going to be, uh, I mean, my closing word is, uh, it's, it's, uh, I didn't have
any of this on my bingo card.
Like when I, when I, when I was doing my, uh, when I was doing my 20, 25 predictions
there at the end of January, of December, okay.
I missed completely.
I was way off.
Yeah.
I was going to be an asteroid and that was it.

(01:25:16):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, um, and then we got a couple of interesting, uh, I hope it works out the way most people
expect it to.
I hope in my opinion, what should happen right now is, um, is the leave liberals do your
stupid little leadership thing.
Uh, parliament resumes, uh, face an immediate, uh, non-confidence vote, get punted out, send

(01:25:39):
us to the elections before, uh, before may long weekend.
And then don't retaliate, uh, with anything against Trump right now, let him do his thing.
I think a lot of it will backfire on him as much as anything else.
Plead a little bit, say, give us a play, you know, give us the courtesy of letting our

(01:26:00):
new government get settled in and then let's play, uh, then, then, then let's play dirty
all you want.
And then, uh, and then hopefully we end 2025 with, uh, with a plan to rebuild.
I don't think the country is beyond repair.
Uh, quite simply, I just want the country back to the way it was in 2014.

(01:26:20):
I'll settle for that as a starting point.
Like you know, I'd have to go back in time to see exactly where we were in 2014.
Was that a document?
Yeah.
1904 would be great, but okay.
Maybe, maybe 2012, 2011 get put me back there and then, uh, with the crystal ball and then,
uh, then we're, then we're good.
Yeah.

(01:26:40):
No, I agree.
I agree.
So I'll say, I hope people are motivated to be involved and use your voice wherever you
can, get educated as best you can know what you're talking about.
Uh, watch the webinars, listen to the podcast so you can speak to people because there's
another way this could go very opposite of what Marty said.
It could also go, um, Jagmeet Singh decides to prop up the liberal government who installs

(01:27:04):
Carney as the, uh, leader.
He becomes the prime minister and they don't have an election because of the threat of
Canada losing or being annexed by the United States.
That is a very, that's a, it could happen, right?
So it could go either way and really it's going to depend on what people do.
Yeah.
Jagmeet is still the kingmaker.

(01:27:25):
You're absolutely right there.
Um, he can, he can prop up.
Yeah.
It's a perfect excuse for him.
He can say, well, I, I, I tore up my agreement with Trudeau, but this is a new guy, so I'm
going to give this new guy a chance and then he could, um, um, yeah, he could prop them
up until the October 25th.

(01:27:46):
I think, I think pushing, finding an excuse for not having an election in October would
be a stretch.
I've even, even a tariff war will have petered out by then hopefully, but, uh, yeah, yeah,
you're right.
There is a, there's definitely an ugly side.
There's definitely a, and I, and they've cheated so much to get this far.
I wouldn't put it beyond them, right?

(01:28:07):
Exactly.
I wouldn't put it beyond them.
Anything can happen within the next couple of months because even look back a couple
of months ago, we didn't even think we would be having this conversation.
So no, I wouldn't.
Yeah, no, I, I, I, yeah, no.
And the events of the last five years, none of us, you know, if you told me five years
ago, what was going, you know, where we, where we were going, oh man, like talk about missing

(01:28:30):
the boat.
Yeah, I missed that one.
Yeah.
That's, yeah.
Well, again, thank you, Marty, for coming on.
Um, always, always a pleasure.
And, uh, Marty's out at almost every event that I seem to be at.
So, uh, I mean, I haven't shared a beer or two.
I like lending my voice that way.
I'm like I said, I'm not, yes, I am.

(01:28:50):
I am a right leaning individual.
I do officially belong to the UCP, uh, party, uh, provincially.
I don't belong to any federal party at this point, um, because all my membership's expired.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, uh, and, and I, I prefer that way to be, for me, that works to be sort of, um,

(01:29:14):
uh, to just lend my voice and to help people is what I love doing that.
That's the part I like doing, like helping people understand the, the, the Canada pension
plan, the APP, how do we become a nation?
How do we, how do the constitutions work?
Where's the spending?
I love doing that.
I'm on the natural analytical side of Marty, uh, that likes to, to, to help people.

(01:29:36):
Um, and, and that's why I think that's one of the reasons I have a nice following on
Twitter.
People know that behind the scenes, like you can send me questions, man.
Like I get, I get emails and questions and I, and I spend days answering them because
I like answering questions.
You are a fact checker.
Yeah.
Ouch.
Oh, wow.
And I don't get a dime from the CVC or the Trudeau.

(01:30:00):
Yeah.
Uh, exactly.
That's right too.
Okay.
Right on.
All right.
Marty, that you're, you're doing a fantastic job with what you're doing.
And, uh, I, I don't think you're just going to be answering questions on Twitter.
I see some pretty big things in your future and I would fully support it.
Cool.
Awesome.
All right, guys.

(01:30:20):
All right.
Well, then we'll say goodbye to Marty.
Chris, uh, stick on with me, I think just for a minute or so.
Okay.
All right.
All right.
Thanks, Marty.
Take care of me.
There you go.
That was awesome.
I guess off.
What's that?
I always get the guests off.
You just pick them right off.
Well, it's just easier that way.
I suppose I could kick you off.
Yeah.
Just leave $5 on my nightstand.

(01:30:40):
Yeah, exactly.
Yep.
So, but, uh, no, I, you know, it's, it's always great to have Marty.
And, uh, like I said, I, I've seen him at so many, uh, events, almost every, every event
that I've been to it probably in the last three months, he's been there or he has been

(01:31:02):
at some point and, uh, we've just missed each other.
So it's, it's, it's, it's, and I don't see him very often, but I also, uh, I wasn't on
the original APP webinar when you interviewed him the first time either.
No, that's right.
I'm just sad.
And, uh, we, we briefly talked about that and, uh, and, and the other thing too is that
if people don't really know Marty is not a podcaster.

(01:31:25):
He is a, uh, he's almost like a journalist.
He does stuff on, on X and on Twitter.
He does have a YouTube channel, uh, that he really just does a bunch of hiking stuff.
He's more like, uh, I'll dare say survivor men, but more it's more, he's just like, uh,
going out and hiking and well, he knows every trail everywhere in this province.

(01:31:45):
I think that's been everywhere.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He has been everywhere.
So that's, that's awesome.
And, uh, as a, as a, as a great resource in terms of, uh, politics and, and again, it's,
it's stuff that he's just noticed over his 25 plus year career as an engineer.
And actually that was one thing we didn't even get into is that he was, his group was

(01:32:06):
actually one of those that, um, had to come up with the energy East pipeline and figure
out the hurdles.
And in the end, if you, and we'll have to have them back when, uh, when, and if we decide
to have some sort of an energy East pipeline, because, uh, according to him, it's just not
possible.
There's so many, so many hurdles to deal with so many.

(01:32:29):
The ship has sailed.
Yeah.
The land and the farm and you know, it's, it's like anything.
It's like trying to build the infrastructure of a city right now.
And that built that city is already built.
It's like, well, what do you do?
You got to tear stuff away and people are not happy when that happens.
So well, I mean, yeah, I mean, we
tear it down.

(01:32:49):
We're in the situation because we let the government run rampant.
Really?
That's, that's what happened.
And now we're going to fix it.
And Marty says he doesn't think it's going to be right away.
It could be years.
I think we could probably get it done quicker, but, um, the truth is it's taken us decades
to get where we are and it might take us decades to get back out.

(01:33:11):
Yeah.
I was hoping it'd be done by like January 1st of next year.
That would be nice.
It could be.
It could be.
I mean, I, when Trump, when Trump ran for president of the United States, the first
time I read this, it was this was my reaction.
Ha ha ha.
He's going to win.
And everyone laughed at me.

(01:33:32):
And you know, I just kind of said, well, whatever it's, it's going to happen.
And it happened.
And people were like, oh my goodness, it happened.
Then he, then he, he, he won again.
And it seems like he, he says things and he doesn't say things unless he can make them
happen.
You know, nothing is off the table for me right now.

(01:33:55):
It actually kind of works out better the way it did.
And hear me out on this one.
He won, goes to, uh, uh, Trump goes to DC.
Is that a movie?
But Trump, Trump goes to DC.
He goes there.
He doesn't really know what's going on.
He aligns himself with a bunch of people that, you know, people are, uh, uh, advisors and
he goes, yeah, that's, that's going to work for me.

(01:34:15):
And then finds out maybe not.
That's not going to work.
Then he loses.
And then we have, uh, the, the Democrats in for four years.
And then all this, the problems show up and we go, this is not going to happen.
We have to get Trump back again.
He's Trump's had those four years where he's been out of government to say, okay, so what

(01:34:37):
should we have fixed?
What should we have done?
And now he will be able to do it.
But if he, if he won back to back, those issues may not have come to light.
And then have you read his book?
No, it was the art of the deal.
I've not, I listened to the audio book cause I don't have time to read books anymore.
And I learned something very important about Donald Trump.
Donald Trump does not lose.

(01:35:00):
He learns and then he comes back and he wins.
So his losses are an opportunity to learn how to win and then he wins.
So I think that if anything, I think it actually worked out better as my, as painful as it
has been over the last number of years, I think, uh, things are definitely looking up
over the next couple of years.

(01:35:20):
So I agree.
Speaking of looking up, uh, thank you very much Marty for bringing your, uh, audience
here to watch this Chris and Carrie show folks.
If you're tuning in from Marty's X, I would ask that if you like what Carrie and I are
doing, please, um, like share, follow, do all those things, whatever.
What doesn't he do on X?
Do you like click tick an X box?

(01:35:41):
I don't know.
You know what I mean?
Repost.
Yeah.
Repost.
Repost whatever quote, say Chris looks fat from the one side.
If you have to, I don't care.
I'm used to those things.
But my point is if you like this, please follow what we're doing because we do this all the
time.
We have all sorts of guests who have very relevant things to say about what's going
on.
Um, now coming up right away, we have Dr. Uh, uh, David speaker will be on tomorrow.

(01:36:08):
David's speak.
Dr. Speaker was one of the contributors to the Davidson report, uh, known as the Alberta
COVID report that the, the, some people are screeching and howling about, uh, he's going
to share his knowledge about that.
Um, where I'm, I'm going to book Robbie Picard from oil and gas world.
I haven't booked him yet, but it's going to happen.

(01:36:29):
Uh, and we'll have Gary Davidson on again.
Dr. Davidson will be on again, hopefully in a in-person setting to talk about the COVID
report and why we need a judicial review and these types of things.
So we have, we bring on some really good guests from time to time and, uh, some up and comers
that now are, uh, they're, they're doing great things and we love following what they're

(01:36:50):
doing.
So please join us on our journey as the, uh, with the Chris and Carrie show.
Uh, I don't think you'll be disappointed.
But if you are disappointed, well, we'll give your money back.
Well, and likewise, if you do have ideas for guests or, or even topics, by all means, reach
out to us, go to the Chris Carrie show.com, uh, send us an email, uh, lots of information

(01:37:11):
on there.
Uh, and there's, uh, I think there's even some links to, uh, Alberta prosperity project
in the Alberta first pension group, which, uh, of course we're heavily, uh, involved
with and it's great to have that support.
So if it comes from the Chris Carrie show, uh, fan base, then that's, that's amazing.
Thank you so much for even, for even being here.
We've had, uh, uh, at least 3000 people watching today.

(01:37:34):
So you know, that's, that's awesome.
Those are the numbers that, uh, we were kind of used to, and then things have dropped off
for the last little bit.
Uh, but Chris has definitely taken the bull by the horns and said, you know what, we're
going to keep doing, uh, a few podcasts a week now.
And uh, and I'm all for that as well.
And it's, it's, it's sometimes it's difficult for us to do time.

(01:37:56):
And then we can't do a shadow Davis every night at seven o'clock or whatever it is.
But when we do, we will definitely try and let people know, uh, a day ahead of at least
a day if possible.
Yes.
So, and that's, that's what we got.
Stone, you are a word Smith.
I love the things you say.

(01:38:17):
This is just fantastic.
Oh, stone Lee says, gives me comfort to see you and Carrie are on this like shit on a
blanket grasshopper.
Thank you very much.
That's true.
That is true.
I don't mean to do that.
Not sure where that would come from.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Anyways, anything else, Carrie?
No, that's it for me right now.
You guys have a, actually, you know what?

(01:38:38):
I, do you mind if I end off with one quick little thing?
I'm going to, whatever you end off with is never quick, but I mean, go ahead.
I know.
I'm going to try not to tear up, but a couple of weeks ago I was on a podcast and I got
some bad news about a buddy of mine in the past way.
And that buddy of mine was a really close friend and he happened to be in Vegas and

(01:38:59):
where people may recognize it is he was the guy that put together when we were in the,
in the convoy.
Um, he, I, I reached out to him cause he's a hell of a musician, hell of a studio, uh,
producer and I gave him an idea to do a convoy video or a convoy music, I should say, and,

(01:39:23):
uh, sent him some lyrics, sent him some voiceover stuff and he came up with redoing all the
music.
And so with that, I'm, I want to leave you guys with that video and, uh, that's from
a buddy, my good buddy, Ryan.
And um, I just need to cue this up because I'm not even sure where it is off the top

(01:39:44):
of my head.
And I know everyone's seen it, but that it's a great video.
It's a great video.
Well, the video part is kind of what I put together, but the, uh, the audio is definitely
what he ended up doing.
So, uh, listen carefully and, uh, if you had a voice changer, you'd be able to hear me
in the lyrics.
And that was a funny thing because when I was in Ottawa, I didn't really want to have

(01:40:06):
my voice on the video, but now that we're back, it's kind of like, I wish I could have
gone back and even said to Ryan, Hey, can you put my voice back?
It doesn't matter.
It's one of those, those things.
So we're going to wrap up with that convoy video.
And if you want to stick around just for a video after that, I did a video of a song
with, uh, with Ryan as well.

(01:40:26):
It's called radio and, uh, and, uh, you may recognize somebody that's in that video as
well.
So with that, I'm going to say good night, everybody.
Thanks.
Okay.
Thank you.
Okay.
or.

(01:40:59):
We got ourselves a great big Canadian Comma Boy.
It was all that we heard January 23rd on the highway side by side.

(01:41:20):
As we stand together like one big family and we ain't got nothing to hide.
We're heading for Trudeau on a mission to freedom about a mile from his parliament town.
I said big daddy this is mama bear and I'm about to put my hand down.
Cause we got ourselves a Canadian Comma Boy.
Rockin' through the night.
We got ourselves a Canadian Comma Boy.

(01:41:42):
Ain't she a bit of a sly one.
Come join our Canadian Comma Boy.
Ain't nothing getting in our way.
Come on, join our Canadian Comma Boy.
You will know something good to say.
Canadian Comma Boy.

(01:42:06):
By the time we rode into Ottawa we thousands of trucks and all.
And they know Goldblatt gonna stop us and we line up ball to ball.
Yeah them supporters are thick as bugs on a bumper and we got crowds to cheer.
They callin' on trucks this is where we're stuck and we're about to fight for freedom right here.
Cause we got ourselves a Canadian Comma Boy.

(01:42:27):
Rockin' through the night.
We got ourselves a Canadian Comma Boy.
Ain't she a bit of a sly one.
Come join our Canadian Comma Boy.
Come on, join our Canadian Comma Boy.
You will know something good to say.
Canadian Comma Boy.
Oh yeah you wanna give me a send down on that big daddy?
Oh perfect big daddy.

(01:42:49):
You're real close.
Yeah Trudeau was hiding in this den.
Where's he safe big daddy?
Guess you better come a little closer then.
Well we rode up into Ottawa like a rocket slid on rails.
And we stuck together like Trudeau's sheep and we'll leave them there to wail.
By the time everyone gets to Ottawa Trudeau might be on a trip so far.
He'll be hiding like a cowlily son of a bitch.

(01:43:11):
And so will all of his guards.
There'll be armored cars and tanks and jeeps and rigs of every size.
But the parliament building may be empty but choppers will fill the skies.
Now we'll all line up and fight for our rights with all our screaming trucks.
And with all of our supporters we ain't giving up.
We ain't giving up.
Yeah big daddy to mama bear.

(01:43:33):
Yeah 10-4 mama bear.
Listen you wanna give a big shout out to Trudeau?
Yeah tell him we're all tied.
Just like Donama and he's gonna need all the help he can get.
Well he didn't respond cause he's probably gone on a vacation hiding this time.
But he's gotta return or he's gonna get burned cause he's run out of time.
I sent this message to Trudeau and we ain't going home.

(01:43:55):
So you better come back you son of a bitch and give us back our freedom.
Cause they got us like an idiot convoy rocking through the night.
We got us like an idiot convoy.
Can't see a beautiful sign.
Come on John, I can make you a convoy.
Come on John, I can make you a convoy.
You would know something good and safe.

(01:44:17):
Convoy.
I'm 10-4 everyone what's your 20?
21.
You know what to do with all of that for sure.
Well mercy sakes good buddies.
Way back in that year.
So let's keep Trudeau in his sheep and lie.
For we will all prevail.
We'll rip this man day one way or another.

(01:44:40):
And watch this damn ship sail.
Hell yeah.
Hell yeah.
Hell yeah.

(01:45:16):
Last five years old on daddy's land.
Stepping out the window.
That big old world and that rusty fort.
It's listening.
The battery going.
Nowadays seems seem to change.
Bashing cars and aeroplanes.
And people change.

(01:45:37):
One thing seems to change.
The world is changing.
And people change.
One thing seems to change.
And every time I want to go back.
To my yesterdays.
I turn that stage it off.

(01:45:59):
And it takes me away.
To that place I fell in love.
The place I found my soul.
On those contours.
The rock you wrote.
The place I always know.
No matter what may change.
Or injury or rage.

(01:46:21):
I always have a place to come back.
Oh.
In that Rio.
We grew up slow on those dusty roads.

(01:46:43):
And chevro parks and fishing holes.
And that time.
We watched for thousand stars.
Couldn't wait to wake up.
And listen to our favorite songs.
We sing along.
And every day.
Oh son I'm alone.

(01:47:07):
To my yesterdays.
On those contours.
The rock you wrote.

(01:47:28):
Or injury or rage.
Oh.
In that Rio.

(01:48:11):
To my yesterdays.
I say it takes me away.

(01:48:32):
On those contours.
The rock you wrote.
Or injury or rage.
Oh.
In that Rio.

(01:49:04):
In that Rio.

(01:49:34):
In that Rio.

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