November 25, 2025 • 36 mins
Once upon a time, a Church of Christ minister could be effective with some education in Bible and training in preaching.
But is that enough in the "digital world" of the 21st century?
Dr. Todd Brenneman and Tommie Lee Washington, professors at Faulkner University, make the case that it's past time for Church of Christ ministers to add excellence in media and technology to their ministry repertoire.
In this episode, we talk about how the "digital citizens" of the 21st century expect to encounter and interact with ideas...including the gospel. Among the things that come up in this discussion:
- Designing church materials using tools like Canva
- Reaching more people through new media and streaming platforms
- Using cutting edge animation software to produce teaching content
- Producing lessons and sermons using AI
The New Testament is full of examples of ancient Christian teachers using the innovations of their time to communicate the gospel. So is it so far-fetched to imagine that Christian teachers today will do the same?
But is there any point at which using technological innovation to preach and teach the gospel is going too far? What are the dangers?
Link to the Faulkner University Bachelor of Biblical Studies with a digital ministry track
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BT Irwin (00:03):
Familian friends, neighbors, and most of all,
strangers, welcome to theChristian Chronicle Podcast.
We're bringing you the storiesshaping Church of Christ
congregations and members aroundthe world.
I'm BT or Way.
May what you are about to hearbless you and honor God.
Technology sure is changingthings at church, is it not?
One of the hardest things forme to remember when I preach is
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that most congregations now livestream.
I'm the kind of preacher whodoesn't stand behind a pulpit or
stand still even for a minute.
I tend to walk out into theaudience and back and forth
across the front of the room,which doesn't work when a
congregation has one fixedcamera in the middle aisle.
I feel sorry for the folkswatching at home who never see
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me except for when I cross themiddle aisle like a bear caught
on a trail camp.
Yesterday I was at a churchleadership training event when
the facilitator admitted thather entire presentation and
slide deck was created byChatGPT.
And I was amazed when severalof the people in the room, all
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of the ministers or ministryleaders, nodded with enthusiasm
and said that they too useChatGPT all the time to help
them craft their lessons andsermons.
And of course, we here at theChristian Chronicle are on
TikTok, where we've noticed ashort and entertaining video can
generate hundreds of thousandsof views, as some of our TikToks
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have done.
Yet we get frustrated becauseall of those thousands of views
don't turn into sustainedengagement with our other media
and stories or substantialinteraction with our Church of
Christ audience around theworld.
These are just three examplesof how what we might call the
digital age is changing how theChurch of Christ and its members
connect with the world aroundthem.
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In the age of live streaming,chat GPT, and TikTok, among
countless other communicationtechnologies, how does the
church carry out its mission andkeep practicing the essentials?
That's a question that FaulknerUniversity in Montgomery,
Alabama is trying to answer.
More important, it's anopportunity for which it is
trying to prepare Christianministers in the 21st century.
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New technologies are scary, asthey've always been for as long
as human beings have inventedthem, but they also present the
church with powerful new ways tobe the church and to preach the
gospel of Jesus Christ to allthe world.
This fall, 2025, FalklandUniversity launched its new
Bachelor of Biblical Studiesdegree with a track in digital
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ministry.
It's one of the first Bibledegree programs in the country
that not only trains ministerson biblical literacy and
practical ministry, but also incommunication and digital arts
and technologies.
Here with us today to tell usmore is Dr.
Todd Brenneman, assistantprofessor of Christian history
at the VP Black College ofBiblical Studies and the Kearley
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Graduate School of Theology atFaulkner University.
He's the author or contributorto several books, including
Homespun Gospel, The Triumph ofSentimentality in American
Evangelicalism from OxfordUniversity Press.
And I'll tell you right now, Ijust put that on my reading
list.
We also have Tommy LeeWashington, assistant professor
of digital media, who developedand heads up the digital media
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degree program at FaulknerUniversity.
He is a two-time Emmy winner,and you have seen his work if
you have ever watched ESPN inthe last 30 years.
Tommy Lee Washington pioneeredthe motion graphics that have
become an essential part ofalmost every ESPN broadcast.
So, Todd, Tommy, thank you fordoing some real life digital
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ministry with us today.
Thanks for being here.
Thank you.
Tommie Lee Washington (03:39):
Good to be here.
BT Irwin (03:40):
Okay, so we have to start here, or nothing else in
this conversation will makesense.
What is digital ministry?
Dr. Todd Brenneman (03:49):
The way I think about it is that it is any
type of ministry that involvesthe use of technologies to
expand the message toparticularly online platforms.
And that can be something assimple as doing a live stream on
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Facebook to a podcast like whatwe're doing, to you know,
something like what you see withthe Bible project or something
like that, where you know it'sit's creating content that is
meant to uh be digestedsometimes in very short forms.
So it covers a wide variety ofways, but it's basically the
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idea of you know expanding thatinto an an online predominantly
online type of uh atmosphere.
Tommie Lee Washington (04:41):
And I would I would agree with that as
well, but expand upon that alittle bit because when we look
at things in marketing, forinstance, just say a church's
bulletin.
There's an example where thiscongregation that I'm attending
right now, as we you know movedjust moved here to Montgomery
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about over a year ago now, theirbulletin just to be bluntless,
but just horribly designed.
And so I you know went to theelders and said, Hey, is there
anybody that knows Canva in thein the congregation?
Or you know, and we gottogether with some folks and we
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redesigned the bulletin.
And so printed media, t-shirtsfor VBS, you know, a lot of
other things, we we bring thatinto the whole digital media
space because they're nowthey're created and designed
digitally, right?
They're they're created on acomputer.
And so the program not onlydeals with you know video and
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and and you know, podcasting andaudio and that type of media,
but it's also dealing with youknow some physical things and
and you know, still printprinted media and things of that
nature.
BT Irwin (06:04):
Glad you brought up those examples because how many
of us have thought of a churchbulletin or t-shirts as an
innovation, and yet at one timethey were pretty innovative.
And I was thinking as you weretalking about how in the middle
of the 20th century, radio andTV programs were very popular uh
among the Church of Christcrowd.
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And so we have a long historyof using these innovations in
our ministries.
And so when we hear digitalministry, that might sound
intimidating, but we have a lotof practice at this going back
many years.
Yeah.
So on Faulkner University'swebsite, you say that your
Bachelor of Biblical Studiesdegree in digital ministry
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provides, quote, innovativeministry education for the
digital age, and quote, we justused the word innovation a few
minutes ago to talk about thingslike bulletins and and radio.
What kinds of innovations doy'all have in mind to foresee uh
in the future for us?
Tommie Lee Washington (07:02):
The church has started using
PowerPoint years ago, right?
During for whether it's for asermon or you know, for the
songs, you know.
And at one point you wereconsidered liberal if you use
the PowerPoint, right?
Um so I just did a a talk atFaulkner not too long ago about
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this topic, digital ministry.
And I showed an example of howI could have, for my title
slide, put up just some blacktext over a white background
that said, you know, ministry,the title was ministry and
digital media.
And I could have done that, andI did, and I showed them what
it would look like, but then Ishowed them another slide that
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where I went on to a free imagesite like Pixabay, and I looked
for like um wets of people, andI really didn't find what I was
looking for.
They were kind of thesilhouettes, and the people were
kind of too spread out.
So I went on to Chat GPT and Isaid, Hey, give me a silhouette
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of various types of people, butthen subtract the word ministry
out of the silhouette.
And it gave me exactly what Iwanted.
Oh wow, and so then I justremoved the bottom part, I added
an ampersand, and some textnicely designed underneath that
image that said digital media,and I had my title slide.
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I also threw a backgroundbehind it of a neighborhood, and
so I had the people, I had theyou know, the the neighborhood,
and I had the title in ministryand digital media, and it was a
lot more clever, it was thedesign was a lot more
interesting and engaging, right?
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And and so I you know, to startwith that slide, now I've got
everybody engaged, they'rethey're they're wanting to hear
more because just simply becauseof the design of the title
slide.
So that's just kind of anexample of uh what can be done.
Dr. Todd Brenneman (09:13):
Yeah, and kind of piggybacking on what
Tommy's talking about.
When you look at typicalministry education, there is a
lot of emphasis, and quiterightly, a lot of emphasis, even
in Faulkner.
We emphasize a lot aboutknowing the text, knowing how to
study the text, knowing how tointerpret the text, present
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lessons, those kind of things.
But you know, as we're thinkingabout this current digital
world that we're in, as we thinkabout trying to reach an
audience that is you knowdigital natives.
We have a I have a colleaguehere in the College of Biblical
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Studies, and I'm gonna modify alittle bit what he said, but he
said he says something along thelines of the devil is out there
broadcasting in 4K ultra highdef, you know, digital, you
know, that's his presentation,and the church is often
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broadcasting in black and white.
Yeah, wow.
And that I think is somethingthat we we really need to take
notice of.
That there are so many toolsout there that are some of which
are very easy, very inexpensiveto use, that would help us
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better engage the uh theaudience, you know, especially
thinking, I mean thinking withinthe church, better connecting
with them, but then outside thechurch, those that the the those
that are the lost.
Yeah.
Um, and if we're not preparingour ministers to to do some of
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those kind of things, then thenI think we're we're not we're
not preparing them effectively.
Tommy mentioned AI.
AI is going to transform allsorts of occupations, and
ministry is going to be one ofthem.
And if we don't start thinkingabout how do we train ministers
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to ethically use AI, to use AIin ways that support their
engagement with the text, andthe fact that a lot of people
are going to start using AI toask religious questions too.
And how do we help ministers,how do we help the church begin
to think through some of thosechallenges?
BT Irwin (11:46):
There are very few colleges or universities right
now that have a degree indigital ministry.
Faulkner is one of the onlyfew.
So, what was it that madeFaulkner decide, yeah, we're
going to make this investment?
It's worth it.
We really need to do this,we're going to go for it.
Dr. Todd Brenneman (12:02):
I think for us, in you know, in the College
of Biblical Studies, we have acouple of alumni at some pretty
good size-sized congregationswho are serving as I mean, their
title might be slightlydifferent here and there, but
like media outreach ministers,where they have kind of stepped
into this space where they arethey're in charge of the
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website, they're in charge ofthe social media, they're in
charge of you know, sometimesthe the AV in the auditorium.
And so they really reached outto us and said, you know, look,
we had to kind of stumblethrough this.
We have gotten master's degreesfrom Liberty or Regent or you
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know, some of these otheruniversities outside the
churches of Christ, and wereally want to help bring this
type of education to ourstudents because we see such a
need for it because of whatwe've been in.
We already have the Biblefaculty that can teach the
ministry courses.
(13:07):
Let's do kind of aninterdisciplinary degree where
you're getting digital media,you're getting a class from
business on digital marketing.
As much as I hate to talk aboutmarketing the church, it is
something we really need tothink about.
And then, of course, your Bibleclasses.
And so we had several thingscome together at the same time
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that said, let's let's do this,because it's it's not going to
be a huge investment where wehave to hire new faculty and we
have we have to you knowcompletely create new courses.
A lot of things were werefalling into place.
BT Irwin (13:46):
You said I hate to talk about marketing the church
or something like that.
You remember?
And I reckon that's kind ofkind of where some of the
squeamishness may come from frompeople who are listening to all
this.
They're like, are we talkingabout marketing the church
through the world's methods andthe world's means?
And so you you I you kind ofwere squeamish yourself when you
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were talking that back then.
Would you would you unpack thatfor us a little bit?
Talk us about that reticenceabout marketing the church, but
why you feel like you kind ofneed to go there anyway.
Dr. Todd Brenneman (14:19):
That website is marketing the church.
You are trying to present tothe outside, this is who we are,
this is what we believe, youknow, this is why you will draw
closer to Jesus if you worshipwith us.
And so, you know, on the onehand, that reticence of
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marketing is such a commercialterm, and and often when the
church and commerce intertwine,it is usually bad for the
church.
But on the other hand, peopleare looking at us, people are
looking at the church in in awide variety of ways, and so we
have to think about things likeimage, things like advertising,
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things like you know, what whatkind of message are we
communicating to outsiders tosay this is why you know that
you should connect with thisgroup of of believers.
And so that that's on one side,it's it's that language of
marketing that disturbs me.
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But on the other side, whatwe're really talking about is
essentially that.
You know, we're we're marketingthe gospel, not in the sense of
of commerce, right?
Not in the sense of economics,but in the sense of we're trying
to attract people to Jesus.
And I think of you know, Paulthroughout Acts, he he did that.
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And depending on the audiencehe was with, he approached it
differently.
You know, with with Jewishaudiences, he was quoting from
Moses, he was quoting from theprophets.
When he is with the Gentiles,he's talking about you know,
seeing the the good things thatcome in life as coming from God.
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When he's on the Areopagus, youknow, he's using philosophy,
he's using their poets, all inan attempt to say, This is why
this is important, and this iswhy you should listen to me.
And so while we might feeluneasy with that term marketing,
we do have to recognize that ina sense, what we are doing what
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we're doing at our base ismarketing, right?
We're trying to draw people toJesus.
Jesus isn't a product, thechurch isn't a product to be
sold, but we we do need to beappealing to the people around
us.
BT Irwin (16:52):
It's really not a whole lot different from back
before there was such a thing asa website, you know, a church
of Christ would cut the grassand plant flowers and make sure
the building looked nice and waspainted and the parking lot was
clean because we want topresent ourselves uh as inviting
and welcoming to our neighbors.
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We want to look like the kindof place where they want to be.
And so when we talk about awebsite, really in some ways
that's just an extension of whatwe've we've all already done.
One of the things that occursto me, though, is where people
kind of push back and maybe getintimidated, it's the fear of
being left behind.
Like we know how to plantflowers in front of our church
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building, but is this somethingthat a small congregation, like
a website, a really nicewebsite, or some of these things
that y'all have talked about,those things may seem like
they're beyond our reach.
Like we can't possibly do thatbecause we're small or we don't
have the resources.
Is is digital ministry iseffective digital ministry in
the 21st century?
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Is that something anycongregation can do, or do you
have to have a certain size andbudget?
Tommie Lee Washington (18:00):
Certainly something that every
congregation can do.
Canva, which I mentionedearlier, you know, is a great
program.
You know, we're gonna we'regonna teach our students how to
design things with withouttemplates like for them to
actually create it themselves.
But Canva has a great tool, andit's free to churches.
(18:24):
So, you know, as far as ifyou're concerned about budget,
there's there's not really youknow, it's free.
So but they have great toolsfor various printed materials,
whether it's you know, it's youryour uh bulletin or things of
that nature, but yourPowerPoints, you look at Jesus,
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you know, in the New Testament,when he spoke in parables, a lot
of times he would do that inorder to plant an image in the
people's minds.
Now, with all the tools that wehave, to be able to plant an
image in somebody's mind to helpthem remember a teaching or
something of you know, or to toremember a concept, is just a
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great way of using that type ofteaching or imagery and in kind
of the ways that God has youknow set that precedent for us
in the past, and Jesus has aswell.
So we're trying to kind of justtake that to another level and
and use digital media in thatway.
Dr. Todd Brenneman (19:33):
And you think about even doing something
like a live stream on FacebookLive or or YouTube, while you
can certainly get very highquality, very expensive video
and sound equipment, you can doa lot of very high quality type
of work with a lot of cellphones, a lot of smartphones
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these days are of such quality.
So, you know, yes, there aresome you can certainly, you
know, do you know, go to theextreme, you know, top of the
line, those kind of things.
But you can do a lot ofexcellent presentation with with
tools that are eitherrelatively inexpensive or
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already on hand.
BT Irwin (20:20):
So give me some examples.
I I I bet some people arereally curious about if they
let's say they enrolled in thisprogram at Faulkner.
What would they be learning howto do as a part of this degree
program?
Tommie Lee Washington (23:13):
So we're trying to expose them to a
little bit of everything, right,when it comes to digital media.
So, as I mentioned earlier,print design.
So let me just talk about someof the software first, and then
we'll get into the actual thingsthat they'll be creating.
So Adobe Creative Cloud is thesoftware that we're basically
using.
So, with that, you havePhotoshop, which is the digital
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manipulation type courses.
You have Adobe Illustrator,which is vector-based, so that's
scalable.
Then we get into InDesign,which is more of a corporate
publication software.
So it's more for layout, page,several page layout, if you're
doing a flyer, a bulletin,things of that nature.
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And then we get into someanimation, which is you know
what my love and what I've doneat ESPN for over 30 years, where
we get into Adobe AfterEffects, and then you know,
we're gonna get into some of thestuff that the younger people
like a little bit more, which isgaming, right?
I'm actually working with KyleButt and Apologetics Press to
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you know possibly createsomething where it's more of
like a game, but you're alsolearning the Bible.
And so there's just it's justGod keeps you know giving us
some ideas on how we can usethis to grow the church, edify
the church, evangelize.
And so that's just uh you knowa little sampling of uh what
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we're thinking uh of what we'rewe're doing as far as offering
uh with this program.
BT Irwin (24:49):
And Tommy, these are you just rattled off a lot of
stuff that maybe the averageperson has never heard of.
I've worked with some of thatstuff before.
We're talking about Biblemajors learning all of these
things, right?
That's correct.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
That's a great well.
Tommie Lee Washington (25:04):
I mean, so the Bible majors will be
learning some of the basicstuff.
You know, I was like the 3Danimation and stuff like that.
That's a little bit more thedigital media majors.
BT Irwin (25:15):
Well, I want to ask y'all where you think all this
is headed, and you can't predictthe future, of course, but the
way that we do church andpresent the gospel has changed
radically over the generations.
Y'all have your finger more onthe pulse of what is changing.
You we've already brought upAI, we're talking about
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animation, which is notsomething I expected to talk
about.
When you look at where thingsare headed in the middle of the,
as we head to the middle of the21st century, what
characteristics or trends do yousee emerging in the generations
that are coming that indicatewhere the church and its
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ministries are gonna need to goover the next 20 or 30 years?
And this could be real specificstuff like animation and
podcasts and AI, or where do youthink the world of technology
is gonna lead the church and howwe respond to that world?
Dr. Todd Brenneman (26:13):
I I think that there needs to be greater
attention to how we can usedigital media, digital avenues
to you know continue connectionswith within the church that you
look at acts, right?
And they were they were dailytogether.
(26:33):
I I don't I don't know thatwe're going to be going back to
a time where where that'slikely, but are there digital
tools we can use that would helpkeep us connected beyond those
those Sundays and those maybeWednesdays, you know, that that
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would allow us to encourage eachother daily.
But I but I also think that onthe other hand, kind of going
back the other way, we we needto be thinking about how do we
foster that connection.
We are going in so manydifferent directions that it is
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easy to disconnect from eachother.
So how do we how do we fosterthat connection?
And how do we as odd as thissounds, in a podcast about
digital ministry, how do we howdo we encourage people to pull
back at times to do the deepmeditating on scripture, the the
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deep relationship work that weshould have as as fellow
Christians, right?
And so to not fall into thetrap of you know, I I got this
three-minute podcast or I gotthis three-minute video, and I I
got enough Bible for this week.
You know, that that's a dangeron the other side.
So trying to find that balanceis going to be very, very
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important.
AI has a lot of good thingsabout it, but AI is also very
dangerous, especially the moreconversational it becomes.
AI will tailor its message onreligious topics based on what
it has learned about the personit's conversing with.
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As much as it sounds strangethat elders need to know about
AI, elders need to know aboutAI.
Tommie Lee Washington (28:33):
Wow.
Dr. Todd Brenneman (28:34):
Because it's affecting the the congregations
that they're shepherding.
Tommie Lee Washington (28:37):
Short form snippets, you know, the
shorts that you see on Facebookor on your YouTube feed and and
various other social media,those, you know, two to five
second, you know, ten secondlittle video clips is a great
way to share just littlesnippets of truth.
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And so, you know, I I kind oflike that.
I think that's going to besomething that becomes more
powerful for the church to use,but also the reach, you know,
there's the ability to reachmillions of people with the
gospel, with the truth.
You know, we can't be afraid ofa technology that is actually
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working in in such a positiveway, and we just gotta learn
about it and and and use it in agood way.
BT Irwin (29:31):
You've laid out a lot of amazing benefits of emerging
technologies and how the churchcan innovate to you know
proclaim the gospel in the worldand reach people at the same
time.
How do we as the church put upsome guardrails that will not
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allow technology to take over?
It's easy to get addicted toit, and yet the church is still
a community that gathers aroundthe Lord's table and communes
together in relationship, andthat's where the magic happens.
And uh, it's still supposed tobe a space where people are
maturing in Christ, we're movingon from the milk to the meat.
How as leaders, I we're allthree leaders here in the
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church, and people listening tothis are leaders.
How as leaders do we usetechnology for what it's meant
for, take advantage of theseinnovations and yet not let it
take over and replace what isessential about the church and
its mission in the world?
Dr. Todd Brenneman (30:33):
Too often elders get involved in things
that probably deacons should betaken care of, and and they
don't think about what theshepherding aspect is, right?
And so as an eldership, ifyou're if you're appointing
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someone to be in charge of thebuilding that's going to make
decisions about paint colors andcarpet, you know, let that
person handle that.
You've you've entrusted thatperson for that and focus on
shepherding and feeding theflock.
And so I think shepherds needto in this contemporary time,
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they need to find a way to helpeducate the flock on, and and a
lot of this is an exampling,developing relationships, true
relationships, right?
I I think you're absolutelyright.
There's is technology is givingus an illusion of connection,
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and so it requires people makingdecisions and thinking about
here's how technology can helpus right engage both each other
and you know the the lost.
But there are other things thattechnology can't uh do or can't
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do as well.
One of the struggles the atleast in some of the
congregations I've been a partof, and I I think that's
probably true elsewhere, is wewe struggle with uh developing
disciples, yeah, and we strugglewith uh maturing.
And and I think that if weunderstood discipleship better
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and and engaging people andhelping people understand what
they're becoming a part of, thatthey're becoming a part of a
community that is to love eachother.
Well, how do you I mean, inOrder to love other people, you
have to know them.
And and technology, socialmedia, gives us a veneer of
knowing people.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah.
Dr. Todd Brenneman (32:48):
Right?
Because I've seen all thepictures you post.
Right.
So I know where you've been andwhat you've been doing, but I
don't really know you.
If that's my only interactionwith you.
BT Irwin (32:57):
What excites you the most for the future of the
Church of Christ as we move intofurther into this digital age?
Dr. Todd Brenneman (33:03):
And now there's a lot of other work,
right, that needs to be donethat isn't technology driven,
but the fact that we can touchthe lives of people in a wide
variety of settings and take thegospel to them, even from
places like Montgomery, Alabama.
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And we can impact people acrossthe United States, across the
world for Jesus.
I think that's just an excitingopportunity that we have that
the churches, even really,really small churches, can have
such an outsized impact.
Maybe even on some peoplethey'll never they'll never know
(33:46):
about and they'll never meetthe side of heaven.
Yes.
Tommie Lee Washington (33:50):
Yeah, I would echo everything Todd just
said.
Um, but I think I'm probablymost excited about the fact that
going forward, the church's umdigital media graphics, however
they're using, it's just gonnalook so much better.
It's gonna be at a professionallevel, um, and it'll be
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Technology sure is changingthings at church, is it not?
One of the hardest things forme to remember when I preach is
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that most congregations now livestream.
I'm the kind of preacher whodoesn't stand behind a pulpit or
stand still even for a minute.
I tend to walk out into theaudience and back and forth
across the front of the room,which doesn't work when a
congregation has one fixedcamera in the middle aisle.
I feel sorry for the folkswatching at home who never see
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me except for when I cross themiddle aisle like a bear caught
on a trail camp.
Yesterday I was at a churchleadership training event when
the facilitator admitted thather entire presentation and
slide deck was created byChatGPT.
And I was amazed when severalof the people in the room, all
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of the ministers or ministryleaders, nodded with enthusiasm
and said that they too useChatGPT all the time to help
them craft their lessons andsermons.
And of course, we here at theChristian Chronicle are on
TikTok, where we've noticed ashort and entertaining video can
generate hundreds of thousandsof views, as some of our TikToks
(01:29):
have done.
Yet we get frustrated becauseall of those thousands of views
don't turn into sustainedengagement with our other media
and stories or substantialinteraction with our Church of
Christ audience around theworld.
These are just three examplesof how what we might call the
digital age is changing how theChurch of Christ and its members
connect with the world aroundthem.
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In the age of live streaming,chat GPT, and TikTok, among
countless other communicationtechnologies, how does the
church carry out its mission andkeep practicing the essentials?
That's a question that FaulknerUniversity in Montgomery,
Alabama is trying to answer.
More important, it's anopportunity for which it is
trying to prepare Christianministers in the 21st century.
(02:11):
New technologies are scary, asthey've always been for as long
as human beings have inventedthem, but they also present the
church with powerful new ways tobe the church and to preach the
gospel of Jesus Christ to allthe world.
This fall, 2025, FalklandUniversity launched its new
Bachelor of Biblical Studiesdegree with a track in digital
(02:31):
ministry.
It's one of the first Bibledegree programs in the country
that not only trains ministerson biblical literacy and
practical ministry, but also incommunication and digital arts
and technologies.
Here with us today to tell usmore is Dr.
Todd Brenneman, assistantprofessor of Christian history
at the VP Black College ofBiblical Studies and the Kearley
(02:53):
Graduate School of Theology atFaulkner University.
He's the author or contributorto several books, including
Homespun Gospel, The Triumph ofSentimentality in American
Evangelicalism from OxfordUniversity Press.
And I'll tell you right now, Ijust put that on my reading
list.
We also have Tommy LeeWashington, assistant professor
of digital media, who developedand heads up the digital media
(03:14):
degree program at FaulknerUniversity.
He is a two-time Emmy winner,and you have seen his work if
you have ever watched ESPN inthe last 30 years.
Tommy Lee Washington pioneeredthe motion graphics that have
become an essential part ofalmost every ESPN broadcast.
So, Todd, Tommy, thank you fordoing some real life digital
(03:35):
ministry with us today.
Thanks for being here.
Thank you.
Tommie Lee Washington (03:39):
Good to be here.
BT Irwin (03:40):
Okay, so we have to start here, or nothing else in
this conversation will makesense.
What is digital ministry?
Dr. Todd Brenneman (03:49):
The way I think about it is that it is any
type of ministry that involvesthe use of technologies to
expand the message toparticularly online platforms.
And that can be something assimple as doing a live stream on
(04:10):
Facebook to a podcast like whatwe're doing, to you know,
something like what you see withthe Bible project or something
like that, where you know it'sit's creating content that is
meant to uh be digestedsometimes in very short forms.
So it covers a wide variety ofways, but it's basically the
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idea of you know expanding thatinto an an online predominantly
online type of uh atmosphere.
Tommie Lee Washington (04:41):
And I would I would agree with that as
well, but expand upon that alittle bit because when we look
at things in marketing, forinstance, just say a church's
bulletin.
There's an example where thiscongregation that I'm attending
right now, as we you know movedjust moved here to Montgomery
(05:03):
about over a year ago now, theirbulletin just to be bluntless,
but just horribly designed.
And so I you know went to theelders and said, Hey, is there
anybody that knows Canva in thein the congregation?
Or you know, and we gottogether with some folks and we
(05:25):
redesigned the bulletin.
And so printed media, t-shirtsfor VBS, you know, a lot of
other things, we we bring thatinto the whole digital media
space because they're nowthey're created and designed
digitally, right?
They're they're created on acomputer.
And so the program not onlydeals with you know video and
(05:51):
and and you know, podcasting andaudio and that type of media,
but it's also dealing with youknow some physical things and
and you know, still printprinted media and things of that
nature.
BT Irwin (06:04):
Glad you brought up those examples because how many
of us have thought of a churchbulletin or t-shirts as an
innovation, and yet at one timethey were pretty innovative.
And I was thinking as you weretalking about how in the middle
of the 20th century, radio andTV programs were very popular uh
among the Church of Christcrowd.
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And so we have a long historyof using these innovations in
our ministries.
And so when we hear digitalministry, that might sound
intimidating, but we have a lotof practice at this going back
many years.
Yeah.
So on Faulkner University'swebsite, you say that your
Bachelor of Biblical Studiesdegree in digital ministry
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provides, quote, innovativeministry education for the
digital age, and quote, we justused the word innovation a few
minutes ago to talk about thingslike bulletins and and radio.
What kinds of innovations doy'all have in mind to foresee uh
in the future for us?
Tommie Lee Washington (07:02):
The church has started using
PowerPoint years ago, right?
During for whether it's for asermon or you know, for the
songs, you know.
And at one point you wereconsidered liberal if you use
the PowerPoint, right?
Um so I just did a a talk atFaulkner not too long ago about
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this topic, digital ministry.
And I showed an example of howI could have, for my title
slide, put up just some blacktext over a white background
that said, you know, ministry,the title was ministry and
digital media.
And I could have done that, andI did, and I showed them what
it would look like, but then Ishowed them another slide that
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where I went on to a free imagesite like Pixabay, and I looked
for like um wets of people, andI really didn't find what I was
looking for.
They were kind of thesilhouettes, and the people were
kind of too spread out.
So I went on to Chat GPT and Isaid, Hey, give me a silhouette
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of various types of people, butthen subtract the word ministry
out of the silhouette.
And it gave me exactly what Iwanted.
Oh wow, and so then I justremoved the bottom part, I added
an ampersand, and some textnicely designed underneath that
image that said digital media,and I had my title slide.
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I also threw a backgroundbehind it of a neighborhood, and
so I had the people, I had theyou know, the the neighborhood,
and I had the title in ministryand digital media, and it was a
lot more clever, it was thedesign was a lot more
interesting and engaging, right?
(08:55):
And and so I you know, to startwith that slide, now I've got
everybody engaged, they'rethey're they're wanting to hear
more because just simply becauseof the design of the title
slide.
So that's just kind of anexample of uh what can be done.
Dr. Todd Brenneman (09:13):
Yeah, and kind of piggybacking on what
Tommy's talking about.
When you look at typicalministry education, there is a
lot of emphasis, and quiterightly, a lot of emphasis, even
in Faulkner.
We emphasize a lot aboutknowing the text, knowing how to
study the text, knowing how tointerpret the text, present
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lessons, those kind of things.
But you know, as we're thinkingabout this current digital
world that we're in, as we thinkabout trying to reach an
audience that is you knowdigital natives.
We have a I have a colleaguehere in the College of Biblical
(09:57):
Studies, and I'm gonna modify alittle bit what he said, but he
said he says something along thelines of the devil is out there
broadcasting in 4K ultra highdef, you know, digital, you
know, that's his presentation,and the church is often
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broadcasting in black and white.
Yeah, wow.
And that I think is somethingthat we we really need to take
notice of.
That there are so many toolsout there that are some of which
are very easy, very inexpensiveto use, that would help us
(10:38):
better engage the uh theaudience, you know, especially
thinking, I mean thinking withinthe church, better connecting
with them, but then outside thechurch, those that the the those
that are the lost.
Yeah.
Um, and if we're not preparingour ministers to to do some of
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those kind of things, then thenI think we're we're not we're
not preparing them effectively.
Tommy mentioned AI.
AI is going to transform allsorts of occupations, and
ministry is going to be one ofthem.
And if we don't start thinkingabout how do we train ministers
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to ethically use AI, to use AIin ways that support their
engagement with the text, andthe fact that a lot of people
are going to start using AI toask religious questions too.
And how do we help ministers,how do we help the church begin
to think through some of thosechallenges?
BT Irwin (11:46):
There are very few colleges or universities right
now that have a degree indigital ministry.
Faulkner is one of the onlyfew.
So, what was it that madeFaulkner decide, yeah, we're
going to make this investment?
It's worth it.
We really need to do this,we're going to go for it.
Dr. Todd Brenneman (12:02):
I think for us, in you know, in the College
of Biblical Studies, we have acouple of alumni at some pretty
good size-sized congregationswho are serving as I mean, their
title might be slightlydifferent here and there, but
like media outreach ministers,where they have kind of stepped
into this space where they arethey're in charge of the
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website, they're in charge ofthe social media, they're in
charge of you know, sometimesthe the AV in the auditorium.
And so they really reached outto us and said, you know, look,
we had to kind of stumblethrough this.
We have gotten master's degreesfrom Liberty or Regent or you
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know, some of these otheruniversities outside the
churches of Christ, and wereally want to help bring this
type of education to ourstudents because we see such a
need for it because of whatwe've been in.
We already have the Biblefaculty that can teach the
ministry courses.
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Let's do kind of aninterdisciplinary degree where
you're getting digital media,you're getting a class from
business on digital marketing.
As much as I hate to talk aboutmarketing the church, it is
something we really need tothink about.
And then, of course, your Bibleclasses.
And so we had several thingscome together at the same time
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that said, let's let's do this,because it's it's not going to
be a huge investment where wehave to hire new faculty and we
have we have to you knowcompletely create new courses.
A lot of things were werefalling into place.
BT Irwin (13:46):
You said I hate to talk about marketing the church
or something like that.
You remember?
And I reckon that's kind ofkind of where some of the
squeamishness may come from frompeople who are listening to all
this.
They're like, are we talkingabout marketing the church
through the world's methods andthe world's means?
And so you you I you kind ofwere squeamish yourself when you
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were talking that back then.
Would you would you unpack thatfor us a little bit?
Talk us about that reticenceabout marketing the church, but
why you feel like you kind ofneed to go there anyway.
Dr. Todd Brenneman (14:19):
That website is marketing the church.
You are trying to present tothe outside, this is who we are,
this is what we believe, youknow, this is why you will draw
closer to Jesus if you worshipwith us.
And so, you know, on the onehand, that reticence of
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marketing is such a commercialterm, and and often when the
church and commerce intertwine,it is usually bad for the
church.
But on the other hand, peopleare looking at us, people are
looking at the church in in awide variety of ways, and so we
have to think about things likeimage, things like advertising,
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things like you know, what whatkind of message are we
communicating to outsiders tosay this is why you know that
you should connect with thisgroup of of believers.
And so that that's on one side,it's it's that language of
marketing that disturbs me.
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But on the other side, whatwe're really talking about is
essentially that.
You know, we're we're marketingthe gospel, not in the sense of
of commerce, right?
Not in the sense of economics,but in the sense of we're trying
to attract people to Jesus.
And I think of you know, Paulthroughout Acts, he he did that.
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And depending on the audiencehe was with, he approached it
differently.
You know, with with Jewishaudiences, he was quoting from
Moses, he was quoting from theprophets.
When he is with the Gentiles,he's talking about you know,
seeing the the good things thatcome in life as coming from God.
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When he's on the Areopagus, youknow, he's using philosophy,
he's using their poets, all inan attempt to say, This is why
this is important, and this iswhy you should listen to me.
And so while we might feeluneasy with that term marketing,
we do have to recognize that ina sense, what we are doing what
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we're doing at our base ismarketing, right?
We're trying to draw people toJesus.
Jesus isn't a product, thechurch isn't a product to be
sold, but we we do need to beappealing to the people around
us.
BT Irwin (16:52):
It's really not a whole lot different from back
before there was such a thing asa website, you know, a church
of Christ would cut the grassand plant flowers and make sure
the building looked nice and waspainted and the parking lot was
clean because we want topresent ourselves uh as inviting
and welcoming to our neighbors.
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We want to look like the kindof place where they want to be.
And so when we talk about awebsite, really in some ways
that's just an extension of whatwe've we've all already done.
One of the things that occursto me, though, is where people
kind of push back and maybe getintimidated, it's the fear of
being left behind.
Like we know how to plantflowers in front of our church
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building, but is this somethingthat a small congregation, like
a website, a really nicewebsite, or some of these things
that y'all have talked about,those things may seem like
they're beyond our reach.
Like we can't possibly do thatbecause we're small or we don't
have the resources.
Is is digital ministry iseffective digital ministry in
the 21st century?
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Is that something anycongregation can do, or do you
have to have a certain size andbudget?
Tommie Lee Washington (18:00):
Certainly something that every
congregation can do.
Canva, which I mentionedearlier, you know, is a great
program.
You know, we're gonna we'regonna teach our students how to
design things with withouttemplates like for them to
actually create it themselves.
But Canva has a great tool, andit's free to churches.
(18:24):
So, you know, as far as ifyou're concerned about budget,
there's there's not really youknow, it's free.
So but they have great toolsfor various printed materials,
whether it's you know, it's youryour uh bulletin or things of
that nature, but yourPowerPoints, you look at Jesus,
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you know, in the New Testament,when he spoke in parables, a lot
of times he would do that inorder to plant an image in the
people's minds.
Now, with all the tools that wehave, to be able to plant an
image in somebody's mind to helpthem remember a teaching or
something of you know, or to toremember a concept, is just a
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great way of using that type ofteaching or imagery and in kind
of the ways that God has youknow set that precedent for us
in the past, and Jesus has aswell.
So we're trying to kind of justtake that to another level and
and use digital media in thatway.
Dr. Todd Brenneman (19:33):
And you think about even doing something
like a live stream on FacebookLive or or YouTube, while you
can certainly get very highquality, very expensive video
and sound equipment, you can doa lot of very high quality type
of work with a lot of cellphones, a lot of smartphones
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these days are of such quality.
So, you know, yes, there aresome you can certainly, you
know, do you know, go to theextreme, you know, top of the
line, those kind of things.
But you can do a lot ofexcellent presentation with with
tools that are eitherrelatively inexpensive or
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already on hand.
BT Irwin (20:20):
So give me some examples.
I I I bet some people arereally curious about if they
let's say they enrolled in thisprogram at Faulkner.
What would they be learning howto do as a part of this degree
program?
Tommie Lee Washington (23:13):
So we're trying to expose them to a
little bit of everything, right,when it comes to digital media.
So, as I mentioned earlier,print design.
So let me just talk about someof the software first, and then
we'll get into the actual thingsthat they'll be creating.
So Adobe Creative Cloud is thesoftware that we're basically
using.
So, with that, you havePhotoshop, which is the digital
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manipulation type courses.
You have Adobe Illustrator,which is vector-based, so that's
scalable.
Then we get into InDesign,which is more of a corporate
publication software.
So it's more for layout, page,several page layout, if you're
doing a flyer, a bulletin,things of that nature.
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And then we get into someanimation, which is you know
what my love and what I've doneat ESPN for over 30 years, where
we get into Adobe AfterEffects, and then you know,
we're gonna get into some of thestuff that the younger people
like a little bit more, which isgaming, right?
I'm actually working with KyleButt and Apologetics Press to
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you know possibly createsomething where it's more of
like a game, but you're alsolearning the Bible.
And so there's just it's justGod keeps you know giving us
some ideas on how we can usethis to grow the church, edify
the church, evangelize.
And so that's just uh you knowa little sampling of uh what
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we're thinking uh of what we'rewe're doing as far as offering
uh with this program.
BT Irwin (24:49):
And Tommy, these are you just rattled off a lot of
stuff that maybe the averageperson has never heard of.
I've worked with some of thatstuff before.
We're talking about Biblemajors learning all of these
things, right?
That's correct.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
That's a great well.
Tommie Lee Washington (25:04):
I mean, so the Bible majors will be
learning some of the basicstuff.
You know, I was like the 3Danimation and stuff like that.
That's a little bit more thedigital media majors.
BT Irwin (25:15):
Well, I want to ask y'all where you think all this
is headed, and you can't predictthe future, of course, but the
way that we do church andpresent the gospel has changed
radically over the generations.
Y'all have your finger more onthe pulse of what is changing.
You we've already brought upAI, we're talking about
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animation, which is notsomething I expected to talk
about.
When you look at where thingsare headed in the middle of the,
as we head to the middle of the21st century, what
characteristics or trends do yousee emerging in the generations
that are coming that indicatewhere the church and its
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ministries are gonna need to goover the next 20 or 30 years?
And this could be real specificstuff like animation and
podcasts and AI, or where do youthink the world of technology
is gonna lead the church and howwe respond to that world?
Dr. Todd Brenneman (26:13):
I I think that there needs to be greater
attention to how we can usedigital media, digital avenues
to you know continue connectionswith within the church that you
look at acts, right?
And they were they were dailytogether.
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I I don't I don't know thatwe're going to be going back to
a time where where that'slikely, but are there digital
tools we can use that would helpkeep us connected beyond those
those Sundays and those maybeWednesdays, you know, that that
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would allow us to encourage eachother daily.
But I but I also think that onthe other hand, kind of going
back the other way, we we needto be thinking about how do we
foster that connection.
We are going in so manydifferent directions that it is
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easy to disconnect from eachother.
So how do we how do we fosterthat connection?
And how do we as odd as thissounds, in a podcast about
digital ministry, how do we howdo we encourage people to pull
back at times to do the deepmeditating on scripture, the the
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deep relationship work that weshould have as as fellow
Christians, right?
And so to not fall into thetrap of you know, I I got this
three-minute podcast or I gotthis three-minute video, and I I
got enough Bible for this week.
You know, that that's a dangeron the other side.
So trying to find that balanceis going to be very, very
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important.
AI has a lot of good thingsabout it, but AI is also very
dangerous, especially the moreconversational it becomes.
AI will tailor its message onreligious topics based on what
it has learned about the personit's conversing with.
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As much as it sounds strangethat elders need to know about
AI, elders need to know aboutAI.
Tommie Lee Washington (28:33):
Wow.
Dr. Todd Brenneman (28:34):
Because it's affecting the the congregations
that they're shepherding.
Tommie Lee Washington (28:37):
Short form snippets, you know, the
shorts that you see on Facebookor on your YouTube feed and and
various other social media,those, you know, two to five
second, you know, ten secondlittle video clips is a great
way to share just littlesnippets of truth.
(29:00):
And so, you know, I I kind oflike that.
I think that's going to besomething that becomes more
powerful for the church to use,but also the reach, you know,
there's the ability to reachmillions of people with the
gospel, with the truth.
You know, we can't be afraid ofa technology that is actually
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working in in such a positiveway, and we just gotta learn
about it and and and use it in agood way.
BT Irwin (29:31):
You've laid out a lot of amazing benefits of emerging
technologies and how the churchcan innovate to you know
proclaim the gospel in the worldand reach people at the same
time.
How do we as the church put upsome guardrails that will not
(29:52):
allow technology to take over?
It's easy to get addicted toit, and yet the church is still
a community that gathers aroundthe Lord's table and communes
together in relationship, andthat's where the magic happens.
And uh, it's still supposed tobe a space where people are
maturing in Christ, we're movingon from the milk to the meat.
How as leaders, I we're allthree leaders here in the
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church, and people listening tothis are leaders.
How as leaders do we usetechnology for what it's meant
for, take advantage of theseinnovations and yet not let it
take over and replace what isessential about the church and
its mission in the world?
Dr. Todd Brenneman (30:33):
Too often elders get involved in things
that probably deacons should betaken care of, and and they
don't think about what theshepherding aspect is, right?
And so as an eldership, ifyou're if you're appointing
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someone to be in charge of thebuilding that's going to make
decisions about paint colors andcarpet, you know, let that
person handle that.
You've you've entrusted thatperson for that and focus on
shepherding and feeding theflock.
And so I think shepherds needto in this contemporary time,
(31:13):
they need to find a way to helpeducate the flock on, and and a
lot of this is an exampling,developing relationships, true
relationships, right?
I I think you're absolutelyright.
There's is technology is givingus an illusion of connection,
(31:34):
and so it requires people makingdecisions and thinking about
here's how technology can helpus right engage both each other
and you know the the lost.
But there are other things thattechnology can't uh do or can't
(31:58):
do as well.
One of the struggles the atleast in some of the
congregations I've been a partof, and I I think that's
probably true elsewhere, is wewe struggle with uh developing
disciples, yeah, and we strugglewith uh maturing.
And and I think that if weunderstood discipleship better
(32:27):
and and engaging people andhelping people understand what
they're becoming a part of, thatthey're becoming a part of a
community that is to love eachother.
Well, how do you I mean, inOrder to love other people, you
have to know them.
And and technology, socialmedia, gives us a veneer of
knowing people.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah.
Dr. Todd Brenneman (32:48):
Right?
Because I've seen all thepictures you post.
Right.
So I know where you've been andwhat you've been doing, but I
don't really know you.
If that's my only interactionwith you.
BT Irwin (32:57):
What excites you the most for the future of the
Church of Christ as we move intofurther into this digital age?
Dr. Todd Brenneman (33:03):
And now there's a lot of other work,
right, that needs to be donethat isn't technology driven,
but the fact that we can touchthe lives of people in a wide
variety of settings and take thegospel to them, even from
places like Montgomery, Alabama.
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And we can impact people acrossthe United States, across the
world for Jesus.
I think that's just an excitingopportunity that we have that
the churches, even really,really small churches, can have
such an outsized impact.
Maybe even on some peoplethey'll never they'll never know
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about and they'll never meetthe side of heaven.
Yes.
Tommie Lee Washington (33:50):
Yeah, I would echo everything Todd just
said.
Um, but I think I'm probablymost excited about the fact that
going forward, the church's umdigital media graphics, however
they're using, it's just gonnalook so much better.
It's gonna be at a professionallevel, um, and it'll be
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engaging, it'll be exciting.
BT Irwin (34:17):
We use Pixabay for our music.
The podcast sits on BuzzSprout.
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not write this episode.
And Todd Tommy are not AIs,they're real people.
So thank you all for being withus today.
Tommie Lee Washington (34:33):
Thank you.
Uh BT, thank you so much forhaving us.
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