Behind 20+ years of Formula Drift & Being a Marketable Driver w/ Jarod DeAnda | Circle of Drift #149 - The Circle of Drift

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FD would not be around if D1 committed further to working
with Ryan and Jim, but thankfully they did, otherwise
FD wouldn't be around. Welcome back to the Circle of
Drift podcast presented by SIM HQ, where we interview some of
the most interesting personalities within the
industry. My name is Dawson and today we
are at Grid Life here at Gingerman for Midwest Fest and

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we've got. Jerry Deanda So analogously,
it's like, cool, you want to either chastise or criticize me
for saying something incorrect? When was the last time you had a
perfect run? Oh yeah.
I would like a driver as a technical announcer.
Not taking anything away from Jacob, but I'd love to have
Chris Forsberg in the booth. That's a good job.
I'll fight you, fight you. Look at I find out three times.

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Access to entry and drifting is 3 years to be in the best series
in the world. You could build a car, go into
pro am, get your license, go into pro spec and then the third
year you could be in pro. All of that and along with so
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And without further ado, yeah. I've been wanting this year

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forever. I've been in the field with
whatever they throw at me, brushit off, pick myself up, moving
on a little better. Hey, yeah.
Ain't no errors, baby. It's a new error.
Well, we are here with a new face of the podcast, Jared
Deanda. I'm sure most of you guys know
the voice of FD and all sorts ofevents at this point now, right?
Yeah, man, been announcing for 22 years.

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So now they are our 2025 season is their 22nd season of Formula
Drift. So that all equates to me
announcing for 21 plus years. So yeah, yeah.
How do you feel? You feel old or young or you're
like, oh. I mean, I'm pretty young, I'm
just getting into the sport technically.
We do a good job man. First and foremost, thanks for
doing this. Thanks for having me on Circle

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of Drift. You know when it started, I
think it caught a lot of Flack. Your Co host seemed like a nice
guy. Maybe there's some polarizing
things being said that maybe triggered us about certain
things. You know when I say us meaning
like those that are in drifting.But just because you make noise,
just because you're the loudest doesn't mean you're most
important, right? And just because there's

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silence, don't confuse kindness for weakness and don't confuse
quietness for not caring, you know what I'm saying?
So there's, there's a responsibility and an
opportunity and a level of respect that I think just
because you don't make a lot of noise doesn't mean you're not
listening. So when when I see things that

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you know, I mean that, you know,either bothered by either me
personally or a lot of my friends or something I'm
invested into emotionally or monetarily that affects my
paycheck, I take no, that's, that's me personally totally.
Get it? So, but you know, circle drift
as your your brand, your podcasthas progressed.
I enjoy it because it's it is just that it's perspective and

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you as an enthusiast, either a veteran or a day one, all of
those things need to exist. And that's that's even my
responsibility as far as edutainment, you know, my my
responsibility and and whatever Co host, whatever series I'm
doing, if it is formula drift X Games, Nitro cross hosting

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content, my responsibility is toentertain, educate.
So edutainment, So you know, taking all that in consideration
is, you know, we have responsibility.
Absolutely, yeah. At what point in your career
doing this did you learn that? Like did you actually grasp the
concept of it? Yeah, I, I would say fairly
early on, because once you have a microphone or, you know,

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because here we are, we're influencers or content creators
or people can create, they have their own platform, their own
canvas, right? When I have somebody else's, you
know, keep my name out your mouth.
When I have somebody else's namein my mouth, need to give their
respect. It deserves car sponsors
perspective, the team kind of the unsung heroes.

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You know, I you know, I've over the years, you get correction as
one does if somebody says something incorrect.
The best of the best, if it's anannouncer presenter or, you
know, if it's golf, if it's, youknow, you know, it could be
curling, could be darts, could be anything, dude.
I mean, you know, could be cornhole.
You know, you have, you have, you have, there's professional

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cornhole players, right? So I say all that because I
learned it because like I said, I have people's names in my
mouth. There's an opportunity and a, a
level of respect that I need to give those driver sponsors,
people and ancillary things. I as far as timeline of learning
it fairly early on, you know, I,I, I never wanted to be an
announcer, but 2004 is when, youknow, we kicked this thing off

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at Rd. Atlanta and here we are 2025.
So it's, it's pretty crazy, but you know, you'd get auto
corrected and you know, people say like, oh, you did this, you
did that. I said, man, 100 point perfect
run. How many of those do you see?
Absolutely right. So analogously, it's like, cool,
you want to either chastise or criticize me for saying
something incorrect. When was the last time you had a

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perfect run? Oh yeah.
That's very true, you know, and I like I personally, I've always
appreciated your perspective because like I'm sure most
general people don't understand is you get majority of the Flack
that comes through FD just because you are the voice of it,
right. So and like you said, that
actually happened through the podcast, which again, I want to

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apologize for. Oh, I don't think.
I never mean for that stuff. I don't think you ever said
anything to offend to me. It's just collectively, when you
have an opinion, you have to back it up, right?
So if you have an opinion, you have to give it some sort of
backbone and give IT support to support that said thing.
If it's just, you know, I don't like that guy.
Why? Well, I don't know, I just don't
like him. That's even fair.

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But stand your ground, you know,you see like, you know, I golf a
lot. Obviously, if you follow my
Instagram, I golf a lot and these these dudes invited these
what it is, you know, shit talkers to go play golf.
And this one dude backed it up and he played well and he and he
backed up. Yeah, I just don't like you guys
like whatever, but owned it wasn't like, oh, nice to meet
you. Like don't be a troll because at

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the end of the day, too, like doesn't matter what you do.
You have trolls, dude, and you have people that my buddy shout
to Rob Jennings. You know, I, I educate him on
he's, you know, he's in education into recruiting
educators, all the stuff. So he's not in this Automotive
World and he's been out to grid life a few times and he's been a
formula drift and he says you have haters.

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I said, Oh yeah, of course, don't we?
All right, you have people. And he has something that that I
always think is funny. Haters are fans in denial, you
know, because at the end of the day, if if they're talking about
you, it means you're doing something and they might not
like it. And that's, you know, my 11 year
old son, he has a, a bully, but that bully come to find out, you

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know, has had home issues, has, has, you know, CPS, the, the,
the parents aren't there. That kid just needs a hug.
That's all he needs. So, you know, let's, let's
emulsify that. And now you're a grown kid who's
20 years old, 30 years old, 4050, sixty years old, you're
still a kid because all you really need is a hug.

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You just need a hug. You need somebody to love or you
hate him cuz you and him cuz maybe I'm doing something or a
driver is doing something in particular.
Think about it. And we're all guilty of that.
It's like, man, you're like, buthe's living a damn good life.
I might not like the way he's doing it, but he's doing it
unapologetically. You know, make mistakes and
chalk it up as education. Absolutely.

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Do you ever think like that those scenarios dictate what you
have to say on the live streams and stuff?
Or do you ever even Does that even cross your mind when you're
speaking? Great question.
Fortunately, Ryan Sage, let's let's let's me cook, you know,
over the last 2021 plus years and now Jacob, you know, he's a
great addition to the former drift family.
You know, he lived in the media trenches, Canadian, you know,

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worked with different people anddrivers and programs more like
the media tech technology side, which is great.
You know, over the last couple years here, here's Jacob doing
his thing over 21 plus years. I, I, I wouldn't say I get
corrected that much by my boss who signs my checks, Ryan Sage
and Jim Lau, which obviously hisrole has shifted.

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He's still a Co founder, of course.
No, I, I really get creative control because I think Ryan
sees where I'm at as far as my role in Formula Drift.
Ryan would call it color. I'd I'd say I'm host announcer.
So I'm the big high and wide know enough about the sport.
I would like a driver as a technical announcer.
Not taking anything away from Jacob, but I'd love to have

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Chris Forsberg in the booth. Chris and I like, you know, if
Chris hung up his helmet, ran A-Team, maybe he wasn't driving.
What about Chris and the booth? Why do you think that would gain
a better? Perspective it's he's driving,
you know, he's a driver, he knows car setup like I don't
know, technical car setup. I mean, even I can't like Kevin
being technical director Kevin Wells, who, you know,

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facilitates rule book and, you know, basically execution of
said rule book. Kevin isn't a great speaker.
You know, I mean, Kevin's corneris great, but that's just kind
of very voyeur. I think Forsberg would be great
in the booth. Or again, said driver could be
Reese Milne could be Tanner Faust.
Obviously I, you know, I announced Pike speak with Tanner
Faust. He's great.

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Yeah. So to answer the original
question, I don't feel correctedby Ryan.
He lets he lets me cook. I I obviously know the
responsibility of activations and sponsorships and giving the
drivers the respect they deserve.
And it's it, it is tough becauseeven if even the judges, you
know, they, they get so chastised and I support them.

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And it's really hard to elaborate on something that is
that at the core of drifting. It's an emotional thing.
It's an experience. So you have Drift Appalachia,
which Bryant Eggert and Rhys Maron are behind.
You know, they, they, they do that event.
And Matt Field didn't even know that I talked to Brian Eggert.
Yeah, Brian Eggert most recentlyat at Orlando and he was saying

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that Matt didn't Matt didn't have any idea he was doing
Appalachia. There goes Greg Busalcora works.
So yeah, I mean, again, you can give me a microphone.
I'll talk to wall. But I I think I think with what
you're trying to do here is educate people get get into the
core of it. You do a good job of, you know,
touching on the emotions of, of drivers and where they're at and

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where they aspire to be. Because if you look at some of
the drivers, if it's pro am pro spec pro, they either right, I
mean, they're either comfortableor they're bummed or they have
bigger aspirations. Those are the three options,
right? Like as far as the driver.
So they're either where they're at and they want to go further
or the where they're at and they're bummed or, or you know,

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and, and, and you know, they, they, they, they're doing shitty
or they, you know, you know whatI'm saying?
Like, I think you cut into that emotion of the drivers and, and
different personalities in drifting world.
So good job. Thank you.
Well, I try to I try to just share the story more for like
there's not much of A place for drivers to really tell who they

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are other than being that character for the show that they
have to be NFD, right? So this also allows for them to
maybe they're not a big enough driver, except Caleb, maybe
they're not a big driver or anything like that, but they
come on, they tell their story. Maybe one day they become the
next James Dean or something andpeople have something to go back
on from his past and you never know.

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It's it's something that I thinkjust adds a different level to
it that not just announcing sidecan do because you're so focused
on other stuff and. Yeah, it's it's giving, it's
giving somebody that platform. That's what I always talk about,
perspective and platforms. FD is a platform for, I mean, if
if you really look at drifting as a whole, Formula Drift as a

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platform for you to emulsify whatever career you want, you
have 8 rounds, 8 opportunities to get on the podium.
But you can ask a lot of the drivers, and I've said it to a
lot of them is basically you winbefore you show up.
The trophy, the carbon, the metal, that is purely like icing
on the cake. Icing on the cake dude, because

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ravenous von Gettin junior fans,James Dean.
You know I I tell this to Nate like I've seen Nate grow up
before my eyes. You know XDC back in the day,
then FD and then bouncing arounddoing this doing that now he's a
father like I officiate his wedding.
You know, and I and again, I've officiated a lot of these dudes
wedding, but seeing people grow up is amazing, but you got to
win before you show up because those fans will be ravenous for

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you because they like your brand, they like your style.
It it's skateboarding, it's it'sit's music.
You know, like they invest. Oh, dude, I I've been listening
to Nate Hamilton since dude his his ATC days.
Think about it, right? Oh, dude, I remember I remember
when Vaughn drove and asked chassis before he drove a
Mustang. You know what I mean?
Like dude, you don't even know Vaughn.

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I know before he's on Ford you. Know oh.
Yeah, right. So that's that's that's why I
say that again, just do. You find that it's important to
build a relationship with all these drivers since you are the
announcer. Yeah, I mean, I have degree and
full transparency, I have degrees of relationships with
each driver. They can't.
My buddy Keith Sarlos and I havea podcast called You're the
Beast. And the reason we say you're the

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beast is because every, everybody's like, dude, you're
the best, dude, you're the best,dude, you're the best, you're
the best if everybody I call theJimmy Fallon effect.
So if you ever watch Jimmy Fallon, he always does it.
He just goes and again, you're the, I love Jimmy Fallon does a
great job. He's not the best because he
says you're the best. We love you're the best.
Says it to everybody that walks through the door.

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So if everybody's the best, nobody's the best.
So you're you're, you're the beast.
So that's what we say to each other, you're the beast.
That's pretty cool. That's our podcast.
You're the beast. So when I say the relationship
thing, as far as degrees of relationships, obviously Chris
Forsberg is one of my best friends.
I I've grown up with him, You know, like I'm older.
I'm the, I'm the senior out of all these guys, except of

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course, Reese Sam, but they're, you know, we're still friends
and all that stuff. We don't hang out all the time,
but see him. Yeah, it's cool.
Relationships, engaging with people.
Life is about relationships, degrees of relationships.
OK, you have, you have strangersthat know your name, right?
You, you have acquaintances, youhave friends, you have good

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friends, you have great friends,you have best friends, you have
family, you have best friends that are practically family,
right? No bloodshed.
But so the degrees of relationships should be
celebrated, should be acknowledged.
You don't need to know everything about everybody.
And as long as they want to surrender that too, because
sometimes they don't. How much of that humanitarianism
do you put into that? It's really up to them what they
want to kind of surrender to theworld.

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And you can kind of tell that, you know, if you watch a stick
and ball sport and you'll see some that are a little more
emotional or more public. If it's Steph Curry with
basketball, if it's somebody like Otani who gets outed of
gambling, who's one of the best baseball players ever.
You know, I mean, I I just say that because there's degrees of
relationships and degrees of friendship, But you know, it's

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it's just like I I always joke. I'm like, yeah, I got two kids,
you know, they're I love them both.
Obviously I have one that's favorite.
I'm not going to tell you which one, but I but but you know, the
FD and the, and the, and the paddock and the and the grid.
They're they're all friends, youknow, But how how we how we
harbor those relationship is up to me and them, you know, and,

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and as far as follow through andannouncing, it's up to them to
really kind of like channel that.
Do I go around the paddock asking state of the union?
No. Am I, am I all seeing?
Yeah, you know, I I see it. The the better the relationship,
the more it affects like the wayyou speak of them on the live
stream. So do you find that, do you find

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that most drivers that don't tryto include themselves in that
stuff and make those relationships tend to fall short
in the long run? I don't think so.
I think it's, it's part of theirbrand, it's part of their being,
you know, some some are there toare, are there to focus, fixate,
win. Some are there to build a brand,

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right. So those that either channel
that energy and want to really perpetuate their stoke and their
brand is totally up to them. Those that don't do it, I don't
think it, I don't think it tarnishes or degradates their
their brand or anything like that.
No, And and again, I'm an I'm open door.
You know, we have a discord now this year that's like, Hey, any

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info you got, you know, and I'm a grandpa.
I'm like Jacob, show me how to do this thing.
And he's like, he's like, nobody's even using it.
And I was like, OK, cool. Just just making sure.
So, you know, and that, and that's the whole thing with FD
is Formula Drift and drifting asa whole.
But Formula Drift is the premierinternational drifting
sanctioning body. Love what Drift Masters is
doing, but the driving pool, thecar builds, the tracks are

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really diverse. I love what Drift Masters is
doing. I think we're a great
compliment. I think we're a good one to
European America. You know, FT Japan has their
feel and their vibe, you know, going over there.
But yeah, I, I think, I think that everybody's got their
opportunity, man. And it's totally up to them on
how they manage it. Three things that I've noticed

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since upgrading to a full SIM magic setup.
For one, I would have never guessed how many adjustments are
actually on this frame and I canreally set it up to be almost
identical to my real car. And I would have never guessed
the amount of adjustments that you can make to all the pedals
and even the handbrake on these things.
Although I actually have a weirdquick release in your car, but

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if you have a normal NRG or anything like that, you can take
it out of your drift car and putit directly on to the alpha
mini. On top of that, when your motor
blows like mine did, you can always try and you know, catch
up on lost seat time. As well.

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I you don't have to. I've seen people like, well,
like, no, for real though. Like for Frederick Osmoe went a
few years ago. He shows up in a trailer, he's
got a canopy for his car to go under.
That's it. Like it was just nothing and he
was still doing everything that every major program was doing at
the same time other than sellingall the merch and da da da da.

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But he was killing it on track So and that influenced his
career and now I assume he's doing merch and stuff at this
point. Yeah, he's doing good.
And again, everybody has their different degrees where I was
getting out with the different sanctioning bodies, everybody
has a different brand. But also the access to entry and
drifting is 3 years to be in thebest series in the world, right?
So if you think about it, in three years, if you build a car,

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you bang it out and pro, I'm notsaying it's realistic, but you
can in three years, you could build a car, go into pro AM, get
your license, go into pro spec. And then the third year you
could be in pro if you're that good, right?
And you look at somebody like, you know, here's here's Hero
Manoa, 15 years old, last year, 14 years old, youngest ever to
podium now youngest ever to win an event.

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You know, Amanda Sorensen now here's Cam Sorensen got his
license up in Colorado and now he's in pro spec.
See where that goes. But literally in three years, no
other motorsport, no other sport.
Can you do that? So the the probability of of I
don't want to say hate, but judgement or or just eyeballs on

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that impressions. It's like, dude, whatever or
dude, just congratulate, you know, like just don't hate
congratulate man, You know, likeI just.
We, we, we have such a, you know, here we are Midwest,
beautiful weather, great people,good energy, concerts, vibes.
Drifting is just, it's such a, I'm so proud of where drifting's

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AT. And then on top of that, what
Formula Drift has created for, you know, many personalities,
you know, we it it talking to, you know, Jim Farley, who's
president of Ford, a couple years ago, I, you know, went out
to Detroit and debuted the the GTD at Detroit Auto Show
alongside all the Ford Mustangs from, you know, Drag Race to to

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to the dark horse to Lamar, right.
Anyways, when talking to Farley,drifting wasn't a side dish.
He was like, yeah, we're going back to the car, we're going to
Lamar, we're going drifting. This is one-on-one.
There's like a group of five of us, but I'm talking to him,
we're doing this, we're doing that, we're drifting.
We're doing it wasn't like, Oh yeah, we're going drifting.
It's like, no, we're going drifting like we're he obviously
already was. But I'm saying drifting isn't an

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afterthought. It's not.
It's on the tip of everybody's tongues because the amount of
impressions, the captive audience, the demographic, the
likeability, the accessibility, the marketing, the the appeal,
just all of it's there. If you look at it from, I mean,
if I had a a cell phone company,if I had a non endemic
automotive company, this is sucha captive good audience like we

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should have cell phone companies, we should have.
And young, young audience. That's what I'm saying.
Young, susceptible, good, eager,tech savvy, all those things.
So again, I just top of mind is always like cell phone
companies. Everybody's got a damn computer
in their pocket. What service provider, what app?
What this and you just got to tell them in the right way and
and people and kids read right through that bullshit.

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You know, if it's good, bad or indifferent, you know, they'll
chop it up. That's a great focus group come
to Formula Drift. So I'm really proud of where
drifting's at, really. Proud.
How do you think all of that will attribute to the future of
drifting and where it's progressing to since it is so
rapid? Yeah, respectively speaking, you
know, 2025 years, you know, drifting's really been around
20. Yeah, 25.

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Because you figure, you know, FD22-D1 a little prior to that,
you know, drift heaven, you know, obviously you know, doing
some toge shit and some some of that equated to drifting.
I think the progression is as Toyota and Ford most notably
have embraced drifting. You know, Nissan a little bit
with Forsberg. I think that the used car market

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is, is a good place. I, I think, I think we're at a
good manageable amount of roundswith FD because it gives
everybody time to do ancillary stuff.
Goodwood Festival of Speed, GridLife, Hyperfest, all these
unique events that at the end ofthe day, they're FD drivers, You
know, and, and I remember many moons ago, I'll just say it,

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Vaughn, Vaughn many moons ago was like, dude, I could do six
of these events a year, eight ofthese events a year and I'm
good. And it was three really kind of
blowing up Vaughn. And and I was like, yeah, but
then you're just like a stunt driver.
You're not like a Formula Drift driver.
Now Vaughn's A2 time champ, the Carol Shelley of our generation,

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helping move the nail for Ford, developing cars in conjunction
with technology aesthetics. With Lindsay, you know, all the
all these components. Here's a pro drifter who hung up
his IT hat doing good and riskedit all.
And now he's one of the most recognizable, you know,
Drifters, if not Motorsports personalities in the world, you

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know, And, and that's thank you to drifting.
Do you think without formula drift it may have not been able
to expand to that to the scale he's at now?
It would have been somebody elseif it wasn't for FD and also and
and also referencing where formula drift is that that
wouldn't have happened if D1 didn't screw FD.
You know, D because formula drift was founded by Ryan Sage

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and Jim Lau. Previously they had a company
called Slipstream media. Slipstream media help help.
Thank you, Matt, love you too. And I would you know, and and
they and they they reached out to D1.
So let's do an event in the states or I think was it Sun
whatever the people who did option video and D1, all that
stuff, they were like, let's do it.
Let's do an event in the states.They did one 2003 Irwindale and

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it was in conjunction with D1 Japan and Slipstream Global, and
that was Ryan Sage and Jim Lau. Well, they're like, cool.
They did the one. They're like, let's talk about
doing a whole series. They said, Nah, we're good.
And like, totally like pulled the carpet from underneath.
And I'm paraphrasing this, but basically they, they they pulled
the rug from underneath them. And if that didn't happen
formally, Drift wouldn't exist. So what here?

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Yeah, like, that's shit. Yeah.
DFD would not be around if D1 committed further to working
with Ryan and Jim and their team, but thankfully they did
otherwise FD wouldn't be around.So that's why I say if Formula
Drift wasn't around, would Vaughn and other drivers have
the escalation? It would have been another

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sanction body. I'm not saying now FD is the
unit of measure for sure. You know, you get all the Irish
boys, you get all the, you know,international drivers, you know,
I mean the list goes on and on. It's it's the most aspirational
and the premier international different section bug.
That's it. So yeah, yeah, yeah.
You didn't know that. No I didn't.
I didn't know that was like the how it all connected and

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completely started FD. Yeah, and and again, like I, I
might be butchering the story. So again.
Yeah, actually has more details and all.
Or, or like, again, don't know how, how ill or good or bad or
like clean and severed it was, but I know the, the, the
scenario is they did a joint venture.
They did not continue on after 2003, that one off event.

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Therefore Ryan Sage and Jim Lau founder in Formula Drift and
they and they concurrently did that under the Slipstream global
name concurrently doing stuff with Mazda.
That's why Mazda early on was a sponsor.
Circuit City early on was a sponsor because Mazda and
Circuit City were in conjunction.
So it was great. You know, and like even me, like
I was working at Mcguire's the first year, I didn't get paid
anything. We were 4 rounds.

(26:09):
But I, I, I brought Mcguire's into the fold and you know, all
all those kind of things, but here we are.
That's got to be incredible to see from day like almost day one
or I guess literally day one to,to now, man.
I mean, they've just seen the progression you have carried.
You've been a part of carrying the vast majority of the sport

(26:30):
of drifting. It's I'm a cog in a machine,
man, and the machine is the machine is healthy and you have
your weak points, but at the same time people pick up the
slack in other ways, man. I'm just a cog in the machine.
So I'm I'm I'm proud, I'm very thankful, I'm very grateful.
And you know, to it's, it's not about me, It's about we and you
know, and I might, I might come off as, you know, one.

(26:54):
I'm physically big. So if everybody like comes up,
gosh damn, you're bigger than I thought.
Yep, I'm big, hence the name Deanderthal.
You know, I'm I'm a. Big dude, I had to adjust the
camera angle. Go wide, wide and big.
But. But admittedly, I thank you.
And I just play my role and I try to do the best job I know.
I would say you shoot for perfect, you settle for good.

(27:16):
And that's a good way to play. Yeah.
And because you're gonna even ifyou paint the most beautiful
piece of art, you're still nevergonna.
It's hard to put that clear codeon it.
You know what I mean? Like it's hard because, you
know, you can always refine. It's like, it's like a project
car. It's like a project house.
Like I don't have a project car,but our house is kind of our
project. We have a mid century modern
house and always trying to work on that.

(27:38):
You know, my, my body is not a Wonderland.
It's a garbage pile. So my body has a passport, you
know, constantly working on that.
So yeah, man. But yeah, I mean, I know, I know
the role I play and I might not be everybody's favorite, but
shoot. John Madden, you know, he had a
video game series named after him.
He's a polarizing character. He never played, but he coached.
He, I don't know, Did Madden play?

(27:59):
I think Madden did play. Anyways, yeah, I don't know.
Play my role, man. That's awesome, dude.
Yeah, well, I want to speak for a lot of the the silent viewers,
I'm sure of FD, because you get a lot of the hate.
Side but I don't though I don't get a lot of hate.
No, no, I'm not saying that, butjust the.
The live stream is it's a lot ofpeople just complaining about
nonsense and you don't get a lotof the people that actually

(28:22):
appreciate. And I just want to say thank you
for what you do, not just in FD but in the sport.
Thank you taking a lot of pointers from you myself.
Thank you on the way to speak, how to interview people, so on
and so forth. So.
That's why I appreciate that. And I think, you know, rising
tide lifts all ships. So I'm talking about friendships
and that's that's what's important to me, man.
Like I would not be here if it wasn't for, you know, here

(28:43):
physically right now. Chris Stewart and good Life, you
know, Jubay, this whole machine and obviously Formula, Jeff,
Ryan Sage and Jim Lau, you know,work with Snap On tools.
I work with Hot Wheels. You know, I've worked with
Harley-Davidson, you know, I didthe voice over Need for Speed
Pro Street. You know, so I had a dude
earlier, like dude, I grew up listening to you.
You know, Ryan Cooper's been killing it all day.

(29:05):
So like whenever I say that like, did you play Need for
Speed Pro Street? I did.
I wasn't a big video game kid growing up.
I didn't like video games that much.
That's cool, so are you BMX played a little bit?
Yeah, I did like BMX more than. The plugs gave it away the
earplug. Damn it.
No I wanted plug so bad. They're a dating.

(29:25):
Dude, yeah, I'm sure it's. Just like tattoos.
Yeah, yeah, I wanted them. And yeah, when you take them
out, looks like cat butt holes, so I love that.
Like Right Cal. If you don't go any bigger than
this, they normally shrink up pretty small to where it's not
really just a hole, but yeah. Whatever I remember Brandon Boyd
from Incubus had I'm like, thoseare cool.

(29:45):
I'm like and then I have ear. I got earrings, but yeah, now I
just tattooed we're. I think I'll get one later from,
from what's his name's Lady. Yeah.
Ross. Yeah, yeah.
We were just. Talking about that, let's go,
let's go get our artwork's crazyin circle drift or something.
I'll do it. I'm not talking, I'll do it.

(30:06):
But yeah, that's good. Well, Speaking of drivers, my
last question on that stuff for you, who has impressed you the
most over say this year or you feel deserves some credit?
Obviously Castro most recently atip my tongue just actually
producing, you know, almost getting a podium in Atlanta,
getting the podium finally heroes a no brainer just cuz

(30:27):
he's so young. Love Amanda and and and what
she's doing. You know, but also I got to give
it up for Chris Forsberg like just banging away.
It's it's, you know, he's a day Warner.
I like it's really hard, man, but Ben Hobson, like I love him
and it's just a scenario. It's the marriage of car and
human coming together. And you know, I'm I I love

(30:48):
marketing. That's that's, you know, if I
was, I call airplane conversations.
If I, you know, I fly a lot. So I get upgraded, right, and,
and I'll get upgraded. I'm sitting up there and I'll
sit next to somebody. First of all, I always think
they're older than me and then I'm usually older than them and
then they're like, they're like,oh, what do you do?
Where you going? You know, airplane combos and

(31:10):
and I go if I want to make it short conversation, like I don't
want to talk. I like, oh, I'm in sales.
Oh, where I'm like automotive, if you know, because at the end
of the day, I'm selling a good time, I'm selling experience,
I'm educating, I'm selling formula drift or I'm selling
grid life or whatever. And then when I go deeper into
OK, drifting Motorsports. So at the end of the day, I'm,
I'm, I'm selling. I like marketing and I like

(31:32):
selling people and I like selling the story.
And, you know, just I'm actions speak louder than words.
I just put an exclamation point on it.
That's that's that's where I'm at.
Oh yeah, I like that. It's, it's really cool, man.
So again, something, something like with what you're doing and
how you're doing it, It's, it's,there's another saying I have
this, it's kind of my motto for 2025.

(31:54):
Again, I golf a lot and I'm a member at a Country Club.
Your hat has to be forward, yourshirt has to be tucked in, it
has to be collared. No denim, you know, no cargo
pants, you know all that. But you can have your own stage,
you can have your own swag, you can have your own vibe, right?
Because there's a lot of alt golf brands if it's Malden or
students or metal wood or quiet golf, right?

(32:15):
So anyways, kind of going off subject here, but the reason is
you can be respectfully disruptive.
Know the sandbox, know the wood,you know, you're a kid playing
with, you know, pails and dump trucks.
Play within those confines. Build your castle, knock it
down, rebuild it, do that shit. Respectfully disruptive and yeah

(32:35):
so now they're kind of motto andI think that you know that's
where FD or drifting is know theboundaries know that we got to
play by the rules but know that know the know those I just can
picture as a kid that sandbox that kind of wood little
smoothed out seen some things I'm seeing those like little
sand bees you. Play with find some random,

(32:56):
everyone some. Random a tooth, you find a tooth
in there, you know what I mean? Like some kid had it common, you
know, Bam, shut up, Tony, you know what I'm saying?
But you know, be respectfully disruptive.
So as you can tell, I kind of dance around the question and I
get back to it. I think everybody, man, and it
sounds super cliche, but anybodyputting in work blood sweat

(33:18):
gears and beers, man, like whatever you put into it, it,
it, I see it, you know, and likeI said, might not have to just
the best relationship with everybody, but I have a
relationship with with everybodyand it and it and it goes both
way. It's revolving door.
You know, it's, I'm, I'm here and I'm, I'm, I'm able and

(33:39):
willing to be a cog in your machine, you know, meaning that
like I can, you know, where, where it's like, I just want to
help everybody, man, you know, including my son, Like my son's.
But my 18 year old son, he's going to school for journalism,
media, you know, and he just gotoff a Disney College internship.
He's at 18. He's got, you know, Rockstar on
his resume because he did some events with them.

(34:00):
He did an event for Hot Wheels Icouldn't make in Atlanta.
Yeah, man. He's trying to aspire to kind of
do what you're doing. Yeah, and and forge his own
ground. You know, I don't think it's
nepotism by any means. It's just a fast pass.
And like, Larry Chan and I talk about that all the time.
Like the access, the access to entry.
I mean, you know, I'm going backto Goodwood again.
I'm excited. That's, you know, like erasable

(34:23):
pen right now and I love that event.
It's probably the number one event in the world.
Dude, Goodwood Festival speed. It's incredible.
Well, I just finally got my passport.
Congratulations. I'm about ready to get out of
the country and go see some stuff.
Come to Mad Mike Summer bash dude.
December 1st weekend of December.
Dude, that event's amazing. Let me know.
I'll try book a ticket. It's there, It's happening.

(34:44):
I don't know what to tell you. I'll tell you where that where
to be. I'll be there.
And yeah, my yeah. So yeah, going over there, but
yeah, yeah, man. That's awesome.
Yeah. Well I gotta ask, what would
your advice be for me and the podcast and what I have going on
moving forward? I kind of have a package spiel
for anybody that you know is is aspiring in either automotive or

(35:09):
just has a brand. It could be, it could be golf,
it could be cars, it could be art or music.
And, and my ethos over the last,I'd say 10 years is be honest
with your lover, your friend, your enemies, because you never
have to think about what you said.
You can be inebriated out of your gourd.
You can be sober as a kite, whatever.
Be honest with yourself and withwhoever you hang out with.

(35:29):
Be humble. You're part of the equation.
Anybody thinks they're self-madeis getting high on their own
supply. You need, you know, your
girlfriend to run audio. You need your homies to help
support you like smash, swipe that button, whatever you got to
do, right? So be honest, be humble.
You're part of the equation. The cog on the machine under
promise over deliver. You say you're going to do
something, go a little further, you know, like for me, it's
like, OK, I'm hosting the Baja 1000 with my crew, carry sticks,

(35:52):
carry things. Do that, you know, part, part of
the team, right? Again, another cog on machine
under promise, over deliver. That's something I learned
working at Enterprise. Rent a I had to shave every day,
you know. Selling cars selling.
I learned that. Yeah, there you go.
And you learn a lot about yourself and how to sell, how to
engage, how to interact, what not to do.

(36:14):
I tell my, I tell my oldest son all the time.
You'll learn more from a bad boss than you will do a good
boss. You'll learn more from a bad
boss than you will a good boss because you learn what not to
do, you know? And no offense, anybody puts
their kid on a leash. If you have your kid on a leash,
man, should you have kids? You don't.
Don't put your kid on a leash, that's fucking weird.
I don't know, I'm sorry, sorry. I have any of my friends have
their kids on a leash right now.I followed their list.

(36:34):
That's just my perspective. Be honest.
Be humble, under promise, over deliver.
And do you, Dawson because you do Dawson better than anybody
else. That's awesome in the world.
You know, circle Jedge. If there's only one Jared in the
world, do me because I do me better than anybody else in the
world. So it's all, all the
permeations, all the DNA and allthe fingerprints you've had on
you over the years equates to where you are now and the

(36:56):
opportunity to have this conversation and get education
or mistakes that that helps yourproduct grow.
Don't water the weeds. But at the same time, the most
fruitful produce and the most beautiful flowers grow from
shit, AKA fertilizer. So sometimes you need a little
shit to make things look good and they it smell better, tastes
better and all that. Because fertilizer, even though

(37:17):
it's shit, helps, it helps you out.
Dude you're crazy man, I love it.
You've always got a saying for everything, it seems.
Now, thank you. I mean, it's, it's, it's not,
yeah, it's I'm just, I'm, I'm very humble to, to, to be where
I'm at and provide for my familyand, and provide for others.
And, you know, I'm, I'm always for hire.

(37:38):
So don't worry kids parties about mitzvahs, quisanatas.
You know, I'm half Mexican. Like I'm like a Taco Bell.
I'm Mexican. Though I do love me some Tea
Bell. Taco Bell.
Hit me up. Let's go.
Oh. My God.
Hey, we need that in drifting. Let's do it.
Yeah, dude, my boy works in and out.
I don't know why we've got an inand out.
I bought everybody in and out for our 20th anniversary a
couple years ago. Shit.

(37:59):
But yeah, But yeah, man, I mean,I, I think you do a good job And
I, you know, I would just say, even though I have that package
spiel specifically to you is be honest.
There's no dumb question your, your speak, speak.
And that's my question to you iswho do you want to listen to
your podcast? Because you have to think about

(38:20):
who is your demographic? What is your ROI?
What is your CTA? What's your return on
investment? What's your call to action?
What's your follow through? What's the click bait?
Because you know, early on, it'slike, again, I'm not slamming
your other Co host. He, he was good.
He had an opinion. He was opinionated at that and
not saying that you're not. I would just say that if you're
going to create a polarization in any scenario, you have to

(38:43):
back it up. And if you're going to create
click bait, follow through because if you don't, I'm not
going to make that call anymore,dog.
Meaning I'm not going to watch that video.
You're you're, you're giving me,you know, soft pudding, brother,
Like that ain't cutting it. You know what I mean?
You if if you're going to, if you say you're going to serve me
steak and you give me a hamburger, bro, I'm not coming

(39:03):
back to the table. You know what I'm saying?
So because if you don't follow through and you don't need all
bangers, because if you're always up here, you'll never
like the darkness makes the colors that much more vivid.
And meaning that's both, both, both like emotionally, you know,
mental health awareness, all that shit.
Obviously I don't say shit, but it's like we all have lows, but

(39:26):
the lows make the highs that much more vibrant.
So like I said, they can't all be bangers.
They can't all, you know, OK, great.
You fucking interview Elon or Trump or fucking suck or Joe
Rogan or fucking you know, standwith comedian like whatever
whoever is on your pedestal. Talk to the average Joe like
fucking Craig here. Hey Craig, how we doing bro?

(39:48):
Close. Chris, Chris, damn it.
Great, that was. Just a random person, right?
But he's got a story. What's dude's story?
He's got a Titleist, you know, like homeboy here, OK, He's got
New Balance. Socks are here.
He's got Oakley's on bleached hair.
So athlete and these dudes, yeah, I'm just looking at their
face. I'm seeing what's going on here.
These guys, they all had a they all had a Bleach fest last

(40:10):
night, OK, got Zed's dead shirt on.
So they came for the music and the cards because he's got a,
he's got a Chelsea shirt on. Homeboy's more of a music cat.
He kind of splits the difference.
He's got OK, CJ fan, he's ATJ fan.
So there we go. And and you know, those kids
have a story. Why are they in the cars?
Why are they here? Why is grid life the perfect one
demographically speaking? Or, you know, geographically

(40:32):
speaking, where are they coming from?
How far they drive? What's their story?
Where are they at? What, what, who, who do they not
know about? Who, who?
How can you open that can and belike, well, I've never seen that
because you'll never know at all.
You'll never know it all. You go, you go to a car show,
you'll never know it all, dawg. You won't.
And you see that random obscure car, All you got to do is ask

(40:52):
the owner. Guess who knows more about that
car than anybody? That owner.
Hey, excuse me, Sir, Tell him about your car.
Boom. And that's a beautiful can of
worms. And you just collect all the
worms. Get all the worms going, baby.
You'll never know it all. It's that, it's that Harry
Potter library. You see all the like, paint,
that AI picture, that library that's really ornate.

(41:13):
It's got the ladders that slide,you know, towers of books.
You'll never read all those books.
Hell no. Well, you can grab, you can grab
a homie or somebody. Oh, do you know, hey, do you
know this? You know that all you got to do
is ask. Well, seriously, thank you for
your perspective. It's it's.
Like I don't know if I gave you any information other than just.
No, you gave great advice. You gave good perspective on

(41:35):
FDI. Want somebody like, I mean, I
don't have like a scathing something like hot tub.
I don't know, like I'm always like I'm always like, what?
What are what are people going to ask?
Because again. I don't.
I don't want to be that guy. I want you to be that.
Guy, it's not my place. To I want you to be that is that
is your place. That is your place.
What's a what's a what's a banging hot tub like?

(41:55):
Why do you always give Chris? What is the last call in FD that
you did not agree with? Gosh, there was one most
recently. Honestly, I don't think it
should have gone to the third one more time in Atlanta.
I think. I think Osmo should have won
against James D in that second battle.
Oh. Yeah, and like.

(42:17):
And that was the split, split, split.
That was where we thought we hadthe winner.
But Reece did that one more time.
So it was like, you know, Vernonwent, Vernon was James, Brian
was Freddie, and Reece went one more time.
And I don't think it should havegone one more time.
I thought Frederick won on that second battle and it went to the
third or the third battle, the second one more time and James

(42:38):
Dean eventually won. Do you think there will ever be
anything to normalize the judgement?
I don't want that human emotion taken out of it.
I think, I think, I think we canhave more assistance as far as
tech and tools and they're getting there, but I don't think
it'll be 100%. It's solely just that I I think

(43:01):
it needs to have the human element to it.
I would. Agree, but like why?
Yeah, Why? Just just because that's the
spirit of it, you know, why do why?
Why? I mean, at the end of the day,
baseball has been around 100 years and the strike zone, we
could see all the technology. Humps don't need to be there.
That's fair. You know, like.

(43:22):
Skateboarding. It's all based off of number
generate or. Number generate, but you still
have emotions to it on the the the pop, the pop and the and the
stomping of you know, that that amplitude or that execution.
The way Nyjah skates versus Jamie Foy, like I love Jamie
Foy. He's a big dude, he's dense and

(43:43):
he just stomps it, you know, versus what's what's the
Japanese dude that kills it on Nike?
Like he's just I'll, you know, but then you look at Bucky
Lasset compared to Bob back in the day, like Bucky's my
homeboy, you know, look at. The shot at the end, he's into
racing and stuff. Is Bucky here?
I think he is he he was, he was in real life stuff.
He was in Atlanta. He was at South Carolina too.

(44:04):
I think he's doing a full Grid Life series.
But I think this weekend is the big show.
The big, I think it's a big Subishow.
I saw Subi mods this year and I,Yeah.
So anyways, all that being said is, yeah, I, I, I, I don't think
technology, I don't think we're beholden to that.
I think it could compliment human judging and the criteria
and the emotion of it, but I don't think it'll be

(44:26):
independently tech. Why haven't y'all incorporated
the race trends or whatever thatthat device is that goes on top
of the car? There's Homeboy in Australia
that's developing a pretty good one, tip to tail.
I can't remember the name of it.It does a good job and I think
it's just still still in the gym.

(44:47):
I think they're still working onit.
It's not 100%. Oh, OK, so I I don't.
Think what ways though like. Just it was like it would go off
and it would like glitch and it would because basically put in
the what I saw in Australia, keep it read.
It was like sending the parameters of vehicle get the
center. You know, an S13 is this, you

(45:09):
know, a Laurel is that you know,So as far as the pure database
being inputted and then take into consideration clips and
zones and all that, it's it's a lot.
It's a lot. And again, this is a passion
project, you know what I mean? Because then, OK, you build it,
then you got to sell it. How much does it cost?

(45:30):
How many people can invest into that?
How many people can afford it? So.
That's what I I don't think a lot of people that are watching
and seeing that and complaining about the judgement and FD and
drift masters, they're like, whycan't they?
Why don't they just incorporate it in FD?
Just do it. It's it's it's they say it's
fucking great and it's the exactand like there's a lot more

(45:50):
variables. I'm sure that one device costs.
I honestly I don't even want to know.
It's expensive beyond me and howmuch?
How much is man hours? Yeah, true.
Yeah, yeah. And then getting it perfectly
centered every time. That's got to suck.
Yeah, I, I think, I think tech will be a compliment still to I,
I don't, I don't want human judging to be taken out of taken

(46:12):
out of drifting. Yeah, I, I don't, I don't.
And you know, I did, I did Red Bull drift shifters, which was
the the fun event with Mad Mike.We did 2IN New Zealand and then
one eventually Liverpool before COVID and that was, did you see
those, the, yeah, the pinball type ones, that technology, you
know, it was good. It wasn't flawless.

(46:33):
There were some glitches to that, but it was fun.
It was cool. It's it's in the spirit of
drifting for sure. Is it competitive drifting?
It can be probably refined. I think of some of the obstacles
and the and the technology wherewe're at in 2025 compared to,
you know, 20/20/2019, 2018, I think it was.

(46:54):
We did Liverpool. That was the last one ever.
And, you know, there's rumors ofMike hopefully getting Red Bull
drift shifters back or drift shifters in general.
That'd be great. But there's technology being
used and it's still not completely, you know,
hermetically sealed, you know, it's still a little bit of leaks
here and there. Yeah.
So yeah. Well, on the topic of drug

(47:16):
judging driving, is there anyonein the field of FD still that
you think probably doesn't deserve to still be in FD?
I think if you're fighting everytime, I can't name names that's.
Just yeah, I'm not asking you specifically.
I think, I think that if you're comparing, comparing it to like

(47:38):
Monster Jam, if you go to a Monster Jam show, when was the
last time you went to a Monster Jam like?
Monster trucks. OK, I've never been there.
You should go. I've always wanted to.
I just never worked. And and seeing other sports is
healthy not not only you know, for me, it's like announcing
presentation, run of show shoot,they have 1/2 time because they
just want you to go spend $20 ona shaved ice and a mug you will

(47:58):
never your kid will never use again.
Speaking of experience, but but.Tell me how I know all.
That exactly right. So but Monster Jam has a field
of drivers. Everybody's in.
I think I think we just need to lock in at 32 for pro 32 for pro
spec and and you're in the show.There's no qualifying.

(48:21):
I think it's seating pending on that.
That way it it, you know, I likethe seating bracket format like
the new format that we do as opposed to qualifying.
How so? Real quick.
Because it's the essence of it. And I think, you know, you got
to it as far as the show goes, it's what drifting is.

(48:42):
And it and it and we've evolved into, you know, from dial
judging to five judges, to have a media to former drivers, to
organizers. I think, I think we're in a good
place right now. But drivers that shouldn't
compete shouldn't be fighting for their life every round.
Yeah. Anybody that should be in the

(49:03):
show. I I unfortunately, I just think
I I don't again, not naming names.
There's nobody like I think it'slike got to go now.
It's and that's what I love about drifting too, is like a
dark horse could come out of nowhere and just really firing
all cylinder. Why is Castro in Orlando?
Why is Castro do so well in Orlando?
Why is you know, Orlando look good on Castro.

(49:24):
I don't know, you know, but here's, you know, Jack Shanahan
never driven a bank, you know, never driven in Atlanta.
You know, he had a flub in Atlanta.
But he's got a good attitude. And that's why I say you got to
win before you show up. So not only are you fighting for
that championship or fighting for a win, OK, cool.
You get a championship, then what you think you're the door

(49:45):
is going to be broken down. You still got to do work, you
know what I mean? Like when Daigo won the
championship, there wasn't a lotof noise.
It was like, OK, he won, then what, you know, and then like,
you know, banged away and then left and now he's back and you
know, Daigo and his formula, he's like, I want to drive a
loud V8, you know, but Jerry Yang's the Nissan guy.

(50:07):
So it's like all right, buildingthe VK craziness.
I don't know, like, you know, so, but I love Daigo.
He's a very obviously talented driver.
But for him, where he's at, I feel like might be a little news
for him, you know, because he likes loud.
I would agree with that. It's it's been.
Again, not knocking the car, notknocking down.
I think that that marriage rightthere.

(50:29):
I think we need to get him a loud ass wonky weird car.
So that's kind of where I, my head is at.
So I see a lot of people that complain, again, not going to
name any names, but there's somedrivers in FD that people
complain about saying they shouldn't be in anymore Da, da,
da, da. When I think, and again, not
trying to like point a specific person out, but there are some

(50:51):
very unique cars in drifting or FD that are not very good drift
cars specifically that I think that I think hinders a lot of
drivers. OK, so.
Well, I think I'm going to step on your hair real quick.
Sorry. No, I'm going, I'm purposely
going to stop you there because I think when it becomes, I don't

(51:12):
want to say a liability. But when you go against a car
and you're like, I don't know ifthe car is going to do what if
you if, if you're, if I'm a competitor and I go against
another car where I'm like, I don't know what to expect.
You have a spotter, you have allthe tools, you have all the
assets, you have all the investment, emotionally,
monetarily, all the respect and you go against car, you're like,

(51:34):
I don't know how this car is going to react going in here.
And I've watched your spotter has given you all the
information and you're like, let's see, that's, that might
be, that might be the time to belike, hey, dude, I got, I got to
pull your card. That, that would be the only
consideration. Again, I, I don't, I don't think
there's anybody there because again, you asked about the
relationship. So 1-2 punching that.

(51:56):
I would say that there are drivers that love it and have
the motion and, and they could have their day.
They can have their moment when it comes together.
And also they're winning before they show up.
They might have support that that is follow through off the
course or you know, off the track as opposed to, you know,
being on track. You know, they have ancillary

(52:17):
things that really helps, you know, encapsulate their whole
program. It's not just about FD, it's
that's a component. That might be a 35.
Percent of the whole. Program.
So yeah, do you think it's just them being being buried in a
brand deal or anything like thatto where they can't get out of
that car or? I mean, that's on them because
at the end of the day, the phone's not going to ring if

(52:38):
you, if you, if you tarnish thatand if you have a, a good
sponsor and good support and you're getting paid and you
don't have that ROI. Just back to my pillars of what
I believe in, of honesty, humility, under promise, over
deliver and doing you, if you, if you sell snake oil, nobody's
going to come back to that table.
If you're like I said, if you'reselling steak and you serve me a

(53:00):
hamburger, I mean, nobody's going to order off your menu
again, you know what I'm saying?Like that's true.
Yeah. And and and that's, that's
purely on them. And, and, you know, when I
announce it's, I try to be positive with, with every
scenario. And sometimes you just got to be
like, not the prettiest, you know?

(53:21):
And like, that was about Mad Mike and that angle I called it
and da da da. And like, do you know what I'm
talking about when I say not theprettiest?
That was Mad Mike's entry in Atlanta.
And I said not the prettiest. And then you roll the tape back
and he had dope angle. So I always say not the
prettiest because it was it likeat first glance didn't look the
prettiest. And Mike's a great friend of
mine. Like I've known him for shit 15
years. And and I looked back, I was

(53:43):
like, OK, it's cool. It wasn't hideous, but wasn't
the prettiest. But like, I get there.
Like, this isn't like when people repost it like years
later. Like this announcer's dumb.
I'm like, I know, right? Fuck that guy.
Yeah, that guy sucks like a tool.
I love when people talk shit like I was flying the other day
and this kid, like I was like, dude, I had the worst.

(54:04):
My son and I flying home from Orlando.
It was so bad. I just, I vented because
admittedly a lot of these companies like a U-Haul truck
blew up on me five years ago andI was like an hour from nowhere
and I was like, and I tagged them and U-Haul said we got you.
They took care of it, right? So I've, I'm a 1.5 million flyer
with American Airlines and I backup American Airlines.

(54:24):
I take my sunglasses off when I board a plane and say, Hey, how
are you? Talk to flights?
How are you? Oh, are you a Dallas based
cruise, chicago-based crew? Where you been?
Because I fly a lot, right? And I could be sitting in the
back and all that stuff, but I, I tagged American Airlines like
this has been really bad. Not like many different levels.
Disrespectful, not listening. Got this got that anyways, and

(54:45):
this goes like Boo Hoo like justcommented.
I was like, I know poor me, but you don't know how much I fly.
You don't know how inconvenient that is.
Like, you know, like it's when you, when you fly and get used
to something or if that's your commuting, which is, I mean, I'm
at 60,000 miles flying this yearalready.
Here we are in June, you know, but but that's my commuting and

(55:07):
that's my travel. That's my.
Life. My 11 year old's right there.
Well, yeah, but like, I mean, they're here and enjoying it,
but like soon as you travel, I mean, I'm, I'm starting to feel
it as well. I'm gone every weekend and like,
how do you balance? It I I would just say, you know,
communication, communication Zenith, you know, my wife and I
happily married for 23 years, like 23 years.

(55:31):
My wife works in the industry. When I met her, I wasn't, you
know, we met 99 so but we met atSEMA show.
So she she's she works automotive industry.
And then like I said, just communication level of like,
hey, where are you? What's going on?
I'm not doing good. I'm kind of low.
I'm this like, you know, and again, I'm surrounded by all my
friends, but sometimes I'm all alone.
So it's it's it's meeting peoplewhere they're at and people

(55:53):
meeting me where I'm at and alsochecking on a mate, dude, like,
hey, how are you? Yeah.
And again, showing my kids an example sometimes what not to
do, you know, what not to do. You know, like admittedly, I
haven't said this publicly a lot, but I'm on the non
Alcoholics. I'm on the NA.
So if you see, if you've seen a beer in my hand as of January 1,
2025, it's been an NA. No way.

(56:17):
So I have I Yeah. And it's not, I'm not sober.
Like I'll have sips, you know, I'll have a drink here and
there. I flew to Australia, New
Zealand, went on a golfing trip,all Nas.
Had a sip of bourbon, had a sip of beer.
Yeah, you know, had. A glass of wine, My, you know,
celebration with my wife or something.
But if you see me with a beer, this is this is NA.
So I'm looking for an NA beer sponsor.

(56:37):
That's what I want, honestly, because everybody knows me as
Beer Wolf, so you know. I've seen Heineken sponsor a few
creators. Yeah, I don't know, Heineken's
are the worst Nas out there, so I don't want that one there.
You cut that out. I just grenaded that one.
But no, there's there's a company called Rational that's
really good. Best day, you know, athletics

(56:58):
decent. There's some bomb ones.
Out there so. Yeah, Bureau.
Yeah. I'm gonna get linked up with Tom
Holland. He has one.
Tom Holland has one called Bureau, the actor Spiderman.
It's called Bureau, like 0. And he has some bomb ones, so
yeah. And he golfs a lot.
So Tom Holland holler at me. Hey you tag him in the comments
for. Tag, tag Tom Holland.

(57:18):
Let's get a Bureau thing going. I'll smoke you.
I'll smoke you at golf because he's a good golfer.
Far win you got. A sponsor?
Yeah, that's it. Tom Holland, I challenge you to
a do all. Yeah, let's do it.
We'll vlog the whole thing. That's fair.
We'll vlog it. It's all good.
That's awesome. But yeah, as far as travelling
and management, it's it's just education and and and

(57:38):
communication and yeah, me not drinking, I'm getting up early.
When I saw you at Hyperfest, like I was coming from Wisconsin
and doing Snap On work, went andgolfed, Flew out of Chicago at
6:00 AM to land at Raleigh Durham at 8.
Went and golfed. Went to Virginia Hyper Fest
Friday, Saturday, flew out Sunday, 6:00 AM out of Raleigh
Durham, flew home. Was home.

(58:00):
Sunday afternoon, drove up to Los Alibos golfing buddy,
caddied for my buddy three days,came home, went to another
event. Yeah, man, but you know all here
want to say hi. You can come in.
Yeah, yeah. Say what?
Hurry, right? Just say hi real quick.
Run Forge. Everybody sees T-bone anyways,
so right there you go. But.

(58:21):
It's the man. Yeah, T-bone and my oldest son,
Parker, he's cruising around. Yeah, it's awesome.
But yeah, just, you know, when I'm home, be intentional and he
can come watch me golf. That's it.
Right, come bug you. I'm just here to bug you.
Yeah, that's awesome. And T-bone, T-bone's got a SIM,
We got a, we got to get a computer for it.
But. He's Oh yeah, dude, that's SIM.

(58:42):
That Sim's changed in the game, man.
Obviously, Manoa, like you were mentioning, dude, it's
incredible to see some of the drivers that are being produced
out of us. Yeah.
And like me myself with SIM HQ, I just got a full SIM magic set
up finally. And dude, that's a real car.
It's a real car with no G force,right?

(59:02):
Straight up. Yeah.
It's like, I don't know, I couldbrag about that all day, but.
And that's what you're doing. Again, SIM HQ supports you.
That's dope. Yeah.
Like for the drivers that you'reseeing coming up, how like is it
affecting the field as far as skill level?
Yeah, like rapidly. Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, it's it's it's another tool in the toolbox, man.

(59:24):
You know, Manoa going he's he's practicing E town right now.
You know what I mean? 15 years old.
You know, I didn't even want to tell you what I was doing when I
was 15 years old, you know what I mean?
Like and this kids at the at thegym, metaphorically, he's in the
car gym dude, he's. It's so cool to see all of his
family driving. Dude, they're all in a room just
driving online together. What stand up comedian was it

(59:46):
where he's like, I think it was Cheeto Santino, Andrew Santino.
He talks about the one Danish girl like how dare you, How dare
you, you know that girl talk about and he just talked.
He's like, how dare you? Like you haven't paid a parking
ticket, you don't pay taxes. How dare you like I'm joking
because here was 15 years old and he and he and he can afford

(01:00:08):
that meaning like he has the time.
He doesn't have a lot of. A lot of life experience, but if
you could do that. Dude, still I.
Want I want that for everybody, if that's for you or for my kids
or whatever. If you can afford doing that, do
that, brother. And and and, you know, I always
think about I think there was a book like The X Factor, right?
And it was something about like,you know, the talent that could

(01:00:33):
have been right, Like basically,LeBron James was in this and did
this and did that, right. Justin Bieber was singing on the
church steps in in Canada, in his hometown.
And Scooter Braun walks by, finds him, calls Usher, gets
Justin Bieber on the thing. Elvis, you know, Elvis Presley,
the right time, the right this, that The Beatles coming into

(01:00:54):
America, the the just success, right?
This the book, the secret. It's like success and, and, and
solving that problem, right? That's that's success.
Success is the solution, the problem fixing.
That's that's the secret, right?Like opportunity fixing that
doing that boom, like it could be a voice, it could be driving.

(01:01:14):
So I think that hero has the perfect opportunity.
He's he was 14 years old, now 15.
He has, you know, he's being homeschooled.
He has the access to cars. He has like I was talking to
homeboy at Radium and he's like,oh, so he's riding your
coattails. I said, no, I'm not riding my
coattails. He's absolutely utilizing all
his resources. You know, why wouldn't you?

(01:01:34):
That's not nepotism if you're inpolitics.
Yeah, my dad. My dad.
Do you know who my dad is? You don't need to tell me that.
Just just don't keep my name outyour mouth.
I wouldn't want Parker or Tyson be like, you know who my dad is?
No, don't do that. Just be like, hey, I'm Tyson
Deanda. I'm, I'm, you know, if if
there's a problem, many could drop my name.
Hey, I'm, you know, I'm Jared, Deanda's son.

(01:01:55):
Don't just be like, do you know who my daddy is?
You're like, yeah, he's a Dick. Get out of here.
You know, I'd rather Yeah, I love that dude.
Straight up utilize your resources, whatever resources
you have. And again, there's no My nephew
had a quote for me and and he's always he's 28 and he's always
out of thirst for knowledge. And he and he said something to

(01:02:17):
me that I thought really resident, I thought was cool.
Go for the no, Go for the no. Keep asking till you get the no
keep pass until you get the no, there's no dumb Ant, there's no
dumb question. And just be like, hey, you know,
I was thinking like, you know, circle drift, you guys need more
exposure or something like that.Like that's not a bad idea, you
know, or hey, can I help you do this?
Or until you say no, like no, we're good.
OK, cool. Got it.

(01:02:39):
I fight with that myself. Go for the no.
That's that voice in the back ofyour head.
It fights you. And I'd like, I get it.
It's it's. But but again, keep going for
circle. Just because you don't, you
know, just because you're quiet doesn't mean you're not
listening, you know, and, and just because you make the most
noise doesn't mean you're right,you know?
And, and that's come from me. I'm big, dumb, loud, hairy

(01:02:59):
tattoo. Scary to some but I fought twice
in my life dude. Is there anything for Formula
Drift? I guess that's coming up in the
next year that we can look forward to or anything changing.
Yeah, heard of some rumors of some changes.
Yeah, I think it's pretty much open knowledge that obviously

(01:03:19):
one we're going back to Long Beach, which I'm excited about.
It's unfortunate that Irwindale's not around, but it
is what it is. I always like, all right, glass,
half glass, half full. Parking's a shit show there, so
I'm glad that's going away. Long Beach is built for this.
We're good, so we bookend it. Round one, round eight, you know
it's going to be great. Two pieces of Long Beach bread.

(01:03:41):
I'd love to keep Atlanta. What's that?
I'd love to keep Atlanta. Atlanta's I sure.
Hope that never goes away. One, you can't tear it down.
Two, it could go BK. But you know, I think, I think
they're in a good place. I, I don't know money wise or
anything like that, but obviously, you know, Petite
Lamont is going there. You know, they have two wheel
racing. They have a lot.

(01:04:02):
And then I love Seattle. I love Evergreen.
Monroe, WA. You should come to that one.
That's probably, I would say Atlanta's number one.
Seattle's probably #2 really. Yeah.
Just because it's a so it's just, it's just a good a little
bit of granola. The fans know enough.
The track is really, really difficult.
Big bank, like the the viscosityof the track is just it just

(01:04:26):
eats up the tires. Really got to bring your
Leatherman there like big. And then it gets technical
towards the end. Good battles.
I don't love Saint Louis, you know, just it's pretty
straightforward. I'd like to see a bank at
Jersey. I think that E town should add a
bank on the back. Like do us a short little.
That would be 6, which would addsome diversity.

(01:04:51):
Yeah. As far as what tracks we keep or
drop, that's TBD. I'm a hired consultant, so, you
know, I don't. I don't.
I don't. I don't put my opinion.
I don't. Yeah, I don't put my opinion
totally out there. Yeah.
But you know, I, I give respect where respect is due.
Yeah, as they say, you don't shit where you eat, so I don't
shit where you eat. But I'm super thankful for Ryan

(01:05:12):
Sage, Jim Lau for giving me the opportunity again 22 years ago.
And onward and upward. And like I said, I just want
everybody to congratulate, not hate and have fun man.
Absolutely check on your mates, have fun and yeah, have a good
time. Send it as a kid so.
There you go. Well, I really appreciate you

(01:05:33):
making the time, man. Is there anything that you
wanted to still share on your behalf or anyone you want to
shout out, anything like that? Yeah, thank you to Formula
Drift, thank you to Snap On Tools, thank you to Hot Wheels,
anybody who employs me, and thatcould be anybody and everybody.
But also thank you to you for Circle Adrift, for having your
voice and having me on. And of course, thank you to my
lovely wife and my kids for supporting me.

(01:05:55):
And yeah, you know, I'm not making content outside of just
at Jared Deondo on Instagram. And let's, you know, let's have
some fun. Absolutely, Brad.
Thanks man. Appreciate it.
Thank you. Thank you, dude.
Thank you. Awesome.
I'm sure we'll catch up again sometime.
Soon man. Again, I know it's been a long
time coming. Let me know if we should do like
an actual full length sit down studio episode.
I'm down something like. That I'm down, you come to my

(01:06:16):
crib, you come out to Long Beach, come out and jump in the
pool. We did.
Like I know Jacob with Outer Zone did one at my house with
Larry Chen. I popped in shirtless, so you
never know. Sweet.
Yeah, Well, cool dude. Well, I'll let you enjoy the
rest of your day. And I know we've been chatting
for a while now. It's probably over an hour.
For sure. It's all good, really.
Oh easy, easy. I went like 45 minutes with from

(01:06:40):
Adam from the one of the Co founders here at Good Life Adam.
It's so easy. It felt like 15 minutes.
Bebe yeah, he's good. He's great.
And again, there's people like that that exist, that don't make
a lot of noise, that move the needle in a great way.
And again, Chris Stewart, like, he's like, dude, just come hang
out. Like I'm not even announcing
about working. I'm not shooting videos.
I'm like, let me know. He's like, I know it's hard, but

(01:07:02):
just hang out. I was like, OK, oh, I'm.
Well, I'm glad I got to fill some of your shoe time, you
know, That's great, dude. It's all good.
Dude. Well, hell yeah, I'm taking.
My fucking job nobody's taking. You're not taking my fucking
job. We're good here.
We're good here. I'll fight you.
I'll fight you. Look at I fought now three
times. I'm just kidding.
Yeah, that's that's another one.Everybody's talking shit.

(01:07:24):
Just come see. I'm just kidding.
All right, dude, really appreciate it brother.
Let's catch up again sometime. Yes, please.
Thank you.

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