Behind Pro drift media, CRAZY Wrecks & Daily Driver Media's 1st Drift Car | Circle of Drift #149 - The Circle of Drift

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Because I was actually debating on getting out of filming and
drifting entirely. Why?
Because I couldn't make anybody COVID hit.
And I was like, what am I going to do here?
Like I need to go get it like a day job and like a day job's not
going to let me go to 8 rounds to format drift.
Welcome back to the Circle Driftpodcast presented by SIM HQ.
My name is Dawson and today we are here at Grid Life here for

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Midwest Fest with Nate from Daily Driver Media.
Find a media guy you like and harass him.
You're like, hey, you're coming to this round with me and we're
going to go do this pro am or something and you're coming to
these rounds. I wanted to go to events, but I
was a poor college kid. I don't have any money, you
know, like, but drivers will take you to an event for free in
exchange for media. For anyone that doesn't know,

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What Car does a media guy buy? One that's already built.
Because I don't have good idea. I don't have time.
I don't. All of that and so much more
here on this episode. So make sure you look below the
video and smash that subscribe button.
And without further ado, let's get into the podcast.
Yeah, I've been wanting this forever.
I've been in the field with whatever they throw at me, brush

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it off, pick myself up. Moving on a little better.
Hey, ain't no errors, baby. Here's a new error.
Well, here we are with a brand new face to the channel.
You. But you guys probably know him.
He does his own podcast himself.Yeah, we'll get in all that, of
course. But yeah, How are we doing, man?
You want to like give a little introduction on yourself.
Well, for those who don't know, I'm my name is Nate Spencer, but

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most people know me as daily driver media.
It's it's funny, like I'll go toan event and you're like, hey,
they're like, hey, your daily driver media.
I'm like, yeah, but they don't actually.
Go. You should tell them no.
I'm like, who's that? Exactly.
But the problem is I'll wear like my DDM hat and they're
like. Oh yeah, yeah.
And then I'm like, they kind of find me out, you know, it's
like, oh, OK, well, you got me now.

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But no, it's been, it's been a long time coming.
I think the company's been around for 9:10-ish years.
You know, it's a little murky when it actually all starts
because, you know, when you start a media business, it's
kind of like, I'm going to go doit for fun and, and see where it
takes me kind of thing. You know, like you go to events
for free. Like originally the reason I
started the business was I wanted to go to events when I

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was a poor college kid. I don't have any money, you
know, like but drivers will takeyou to an event for free in
exchange for media, you know, orlike or like you can get like in
for free basically 2 events. And so that's what I did for the
first probably two 2 1/2 years. I'd hardly saw a dollar for what
I did, but I would get 2 events for free because they would take

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me and like I was bad like dude,I was bad at I was not good at
media my first probably couple years.
Not that I'm amazing now or anything, but like now it's,
it's a little different where like I'm at least seen someone
is like a professional in the media space now that can, you
know, do content for, you know, pretty much anyone now as I do

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like an FD for example now. But yeah, so basically most
people know me from daily drivermedia.
I also work for a link ECU as well doing all their social
media marketing and stuff like that.
So I I do a little bit of everything in terms of like, you
know, the social media side, thevideo editing side, going around
doing interviews and then obviously my own channel where

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we do live streams and live interviews as well and stuff
like that. So I'm basically bouncing all
over the place, but it's it's a lot of fun.
I really. I see you everywhere, dude.
Yeah, you're all. You literally are all over the
place. Yeah, which is cool to see.
You know, the business is like it's evolved over the years and

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you know, it's, it's cool for tosee where it now has become.
You know, originally where I wasjust, you know, on my own
shooting on what's a Sony RX-10.And if no one has ever heard of
this camera, but it had it, it was it was it's an all one body
camera, but it has an attached lens that you can't like take
off. But it was like, I want to say

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it was like 20 mil to like 600 or something stupid.
It was. Did you ever feel like you were
taking someone else's place at the time or did you feel like
that was because I hear media guys complain about it and I
don't personally. Believe it.
But so when you know, you know when I get like gigs and stuff,
is that what kind? Of what you're talking about,
yeah, like at a when at the young start there's and you're

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you're working with like a very small camera.
Obviously it's not doing great work.
Da da da. Well, like when you get started,
you're just like messaging people, sending people stuff out
and it's not like really good oranything, but it's content.
And a lot of guys appreciate that.
And for me, you know, I, when I first started out, I did the
whole message everyone on Instagram or whatever, Facebook

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or whatever before events and stuff and say, Hey, I'm I.
Well, it never worked. A lot of the time I would
actually get more messages afterevents from content I posted on
my channel. They're like, Hey, yo, can I get
this clip or whatever? Like it happened all the time.
It was always one of my most oneof my pet peeves is when drivers
ask me for content after an event And I'm like, brother,

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dude, I would have been, it would have been so much better
if you would have just told me we were the event because then
we'd get B roll. We'd get all kinds of cool
stuff. But like I just got what I got,
you know? And one of the, I don't know if
it's a unique thing about my business or like the really dumb
thing about my business or just I just can't get out of my brain
is we record every run. Why do you feel that's

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important? Because we have footage and
everybody knows we have footage,so if anyone needs a clip, they
message daily driver media. So you just tried to take that
that small problem that you keptrunning into and just solve it.
Yeah, in a way. What gave you the idea?
For me, it was, I was never the best video guy, I don't think,

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But I also felt like I had the work ethic to I I one of the
biggest problems in the media industry is following through.
Like I hear from drivers all thetime.
They like they work with someoneand then they don't follow
through or they just fall flat on like getting clips and stuff.
Explain follow through though like what are.

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They like, they don't. Emails or.
No, they like they pay a media guy for footage and they just
don't get the footage or it's junk or, or the media guys like
screwing off during the event and they don't actually get
anything. Like it's actually a part of a
big problem. Especially like in more the
grassroots area where a lot of these guys, you know, they're
just, they were fine or something.

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I was #1 I'm reliable. So that was the big thing.
And then two, like I recorded somuch content and everything and
like, it takes a lot longer to go through it after the event,
but like for me, I'm OK at it. Like going through the content,
editing basically 18 hours a day.
Like that's just, I'm accustomedto it now basically.

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How much time fully are you spending on a full round of
footage like after the fact? So at at FD, for example, it
probably takes and this is, and this is a huge change for this
year, 'cause I'm, we have a three person team and now I'm
editing all day, I'm on the computer all day during an FD
round. So I don't record any footage
anymore, but like it probably would take me to go through,

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organize everything and get clips out to people probably,
you know, 2-3 days. No shit.
Yeah. But The thing is, is now that I
can do that at the round, I'm almost done with a lot of that
by the end of the round. So like I'm doing it as the
event goes by. But originally, you know, it
took me a day or two to get through a day Eclipse, send
those with the day eclipse out to the drivers, get through the

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2nd day, get those clips out to drivers and stuff like that.
So it would take a little extra time because I would record.
So I, I record so much footage, but it's also worth it because
then like guys will message me afterwards and like, Hey, do you
got clips? I need some for this round or
something. And and that's, that's how I
kind of got my start in FD was just like everyone knew.

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Like I said, I had footage of them and it was decent footage.
Obviously I've upgraded over time and now my I would argue
our driving footage is some of the best in FD just because of
the the way that our system works with our tripod setup and
and. What?
What tripods are you using? So we have the big thing is the

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tripod ad we have like enduro legs or something.
I like them because they fit my carry on.
But the the big thing and the big money item we have are
satcheler heads. I think ours is the activate or
whatever and those things are not cheap, but they are 1000%
worth it because the fluidity plus, you know, like the we, we
use a 7S threes and and FX threes Sony's now for our

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footage, which those are also pretty stable as well, come with
in body stabilization, all that kind of stuff too.
So that in combination with likethe really nice tripod heads
makes our footage really smooth.And then I try to be kind of
picky, but like I work with somevideo guys now.
Like Herbie has been a great guy.
He's worked me now for two years.
He's really pretty smooth on thetripod as well.

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Also working with Rob RV Media as well this year, another
really smooth tripod user. So like what another different
thing is not? It's not necessarily different,
but not a lot of people use tripods.
So that's what I was going to ask is I've I've always just
been so run and gun that I just carry the camera.
I get the shot that I need and that's about.

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It right, but so like for you, you get a section on the run,
you're like, OK, they come by and get this cool section.
Cool. For us, we take a different
approach where we try to get theentire run if we can and having
a tripod makes that 1000 times easier.
And drivers like it because theycan see the entire portion of
the run, whereas like a video guy where they're like stress

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making edits. They only care about that
section, you know, like the section that's like really cool
and close, then they use that intheir edit or whatever.
So for me, I try to do a little bit of both where we get the
whole run, but then I still get that cool section that can use
in an edit. So drivers going to use that
full run if they want to. Like as of right now, like one

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of our packages is basically footage throughout the weekend
where we send drivers a run eachday.
And it's basically a full run sothat they can have something to
post and also dissect themselveswhether they want to like look
at the car and see how it's reacting in different corners,
if any, if. Anybody's played sports in their
life, it's just studying footage.
Like, wait, that's you just do that in sports in general.

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So yeah. Yeah.
And so, and, and that's the thing too, is another unique
thing is we record, the cool thing about FX threes and a 7S
threes is you can record in 4K120 full audio at full speed.
A lot of it's starting to catch on, but I was, we were one of
the first like teams to really just film in just that for a lot

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of it. So I'm also able to slow it down
like 25% any clip. See that's I given that I am
running gun, I'm on crop sensor and it does not do more than 30
frames per second in 4K because I'm on an older camera as well,
right. So that's something that I've
never even been able to play with really on doing the media

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side of things. So.
I like it because, OK, so obviously the downside is you're
shooting at a higher frame rate,you're not getting as much blur
and that and that's true. So like that's like the downside
of our footage is it may not be as cinematic as say someone is
shooting at 24 frames at like 150th or something like that and

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you're going and you see all themotion blur or something like
that. So, but I would argue ours has a
decent amount still with the frame wings, frame rates we
shoot at. But also you're able to slow any
rundown by like I think it's, I think it's like 3 or 4 times or
four. I think it's you can slow down 4
by 4 times or something like that.

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Sure, at 1:20. Yeah, I think it's like.
It should be 4 times. Yeah, 4 times slowed down.
So I like it from an editing perspective.
So I can go, I can, I can post afull speed run, but then I can
slow down a section. Yeah and at any time and I still
have audio, you know, and that'slike the really cool thing about
it is it's makes it such a utilitarian clip.
You, you. How do you say that word

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utilitarian? Yeah, that sounds right.
Yeah, I think. Yeah, but basically I can use
the clip in so many different ways instead of just one.
Hey, it's just real time. That's all you get, you know, or
you shoot. And sometimes I'll do this like
the FX3 does 1080P at 240 frameswith no audio in SNQ mode.

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So we'll do that sometimes because it's just really cool to
see cars go at 240 frames per second and like really slow it
down. But like, you don't.
Honestly, you really don't need that.
If you can slow down by 4 times,that's pretty good.
Well, so anyone that like whether they don't understand
cameras or they're just getting into it, yeah, you mentioned
cinematic, but then you also mentioned slow mode not

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technically being cinematic. So they explain the difference
because I personally don't believe that slow MO is
actually. Right, but if you wanted to
shoot the most cinematic shot inreal speed, yeah without not not
in slow MO you would shoot in a slower frame rate than we shoot
in probably yeah, because you get a a motion more motion blur

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on. The shot.
And. Technically, the cinematic.
Technically, technically it makes it nicer to look at, you
know, more cinematic, you know, with, with content nowadays on
like social media, I don't thinkit's a big difference anymore
with the way content. Personally, like I never shoot
in 2024 frames per second. I hate it.

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I don't know what it is. It looks like the screen's
glitching. I don't know why people like the
cinematic look. Of yeah, it's, it has to do with
the year. You have to shoot in a certain
frame rate for it to look good. And well, yeah, it's it's also
so for me, we shoot in a 30 frame timeline or 30 frames per
second timeline because it lets it opens me up to like a bunch
of different footage. I can get a footage from Gopros.

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I can get footage from other people.
I can get because I get footage from like a bunch of different
places depending on who I'm shooting for.
So if I shoot in a 30 frames, ifI use a 30 frame timeline, then
I can use all the footage and it's not a big deal.
That's what I do, yeah. Yeah.
So it's again, the what you're supposed to be doing is 24 and
like, you know, like that's likethe best, but like.

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It's funny how it's become so different at times of.
Media how it is nowadays like itit do people really see the
difference? I don't think so.
And like, for me, it's a lot of it's speed getting content out
and, you know, making your footage entertaining in
different ways. Like at Daily Dover, we are.

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Known. You're technically taking the if
you boil it down to the context,like you're taking the same
shot, yeah, it's a better shot, but like the same shot as
everyone else, yeah. How do you how do you put your
own flavour into it? So there's a lot of people.
Say the color for. Example like the daily Dover
media like Instagram channel, like I think we were one of the
first people to really start doing this where we would stack.

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So you let's say we post a run, we stack the full speed rod on
top or or wherever we stacked ona reel and then we'll post a
snowmo clip of the run as well, like on the bottom, like all
zoomed in and stuff. So.
We did that with a couple of thethe wrecks that happened in 11.
Oh yeah, For example for. Example like, but we I've been
doing that for a couple years now yeah.

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So but I know there's a lot morepeople doing now.
So I'm pretty sure we were like one of the first people to kind
of do that. But we can do that because of
the type of footage we shoot. And I can now create something
really interesting out of one run, You know, like we can
create an interesting visual where like you can see the full
speed impact of a crash, for example, but then you can also
slow it down and see what actually happens.
And you know, it's not that thisis the right way to film.

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It's just how I've kind of, that's how this is kind of what
I've kind of curated in in my style.
And, and like, I don't know, like there's so many other good
video guys out there that do, you know, the proper way of
shooting and, and, and do a lot of really good stuff and it's
really good. And, you know, more props to

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them. This is just kind of how I've
fit myself into my niche. And, you know, it's been pretty
successful now. I mean, I would, I would say
we're probably outside of Larry's team.
Maybe we cover the most drivers in Formula Drift daily driver
media outside of Larry's team, you know, and I mean, in any,

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any given weekend, if you could include pro spec, we're covering
1525 drivers, 15 to 25 drivers. Just depends on the day.
I mean that doesn't even includelike Linky CU drivers, which is
all a pro spec and like 8 or 9 drivers in pro.
So it's like we're covering mostof this most of the field
anyways now just with based on how I'm working with companies

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and and whatnot. So.
At what point in all of this didit did you realize this is this
can be full time and I can I canreally do this?
I actually did DDM full time to it was the year before COVID.
OK. So I quit my day job at the

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time, which was Lingenfelter because just so many kind of
scheduling conflicts and I wanted to go like all in on FD
and so did that for a year, which is nerve wracking.
You know, owning your own business, it's like, and that's
your only income. I mean, we had a house.
Like it's nerve wracking, right.And you know, like sometimes,

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you know, getting money out of FD or not FD, sorry, getting
money out of drifting people. Is it always the easiest?
You know, every once in a while,you know, stuff happens and
they're like, Oh, I don't have the money or something.
Like it's the unfortunate reality of sometimes working
with, you know, low, like lower income status people.
Like it is what it is, You know,it's like, but I, I, I love

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drifting. So it's like it just comes with
territory. But then COVID hit and took away
basically all my income. And so then Link kind of came
in. That's where Link kind of came
in the picture and was like, Hey, we need help.
Like on our video side. And I've been doing footage for

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Link for like I think a year or two beforehand just as like a,
as like a contract. So then that's when Link came in
and was like, hey, because I wasactually debating on getting out
of filming and drifting entirely.
Why? Because I couldn't make anybody
COVID hit and I was like, what am I going to do here?

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Like I need to go get it like a day job and like a day job is
not going to let me go to 8 rounds of formula drift.

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Music. And the only reason I'm still

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doing footage and, and drifting and, and doing daily driver
media is because link came in and was like, hey, we have this
like position we want to. Do at link where you're going to
be doing like a bunch of video production and stuff like that
and we're cool with you going toformula drift because hey bunch
of our drivers are there a bunchof the guys we work with are

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already there and they're cool with it you know I was like, all
right so I'm I'm I'm back in thegame you know like I'm like so
yeah so the only reason I'm still in the industry and to
begin with is because of link and now.
If you want to disclose how likewhat did something like that pay
given you were so fresh to it, Iguess?

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Well, you know, it's like I, I forget what the like standard is
for like a marketing manager kind of thing, but it was, you
know, like you're looking at like a, a 70.
K Salary. Yeah, like a 70 KA year kind of
salary is like full time kind ofgig is, is generally where those
kind of come out to and you knowthat that's kind of that kind of

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like a a buffer just makes just make eases everything.
So like now I know and like obviously when I go to events,
like my main, my main priority is link and that's just how it
is because that's my priority that because they, you know,
they take care of so much for me, which to be fair, shooting

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for link is really easy. We have so many awesome drivers.
We have so many awesome guys that like to work with us.
Luckily the company I work for is really well respected in the
industry and like I said, doing content for them is pretty easy
like. So what does an event like this
look like? Like what is on your schedule?
We're at grid life right now andI it's a really cool event

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because there's there's driftingand there's Rd. racing and
there's all kinds of different cars out here.
And so we have stuff in all in everything.
I would say it's funny, like youwalk down that first row of
drift cars with like, you know, like the Bobby screw guys and
then you got jump sport guys, you got the, you know, like kept

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calling back and and freaking like a whole bunch of those cars
in that front row. I think 85% of those cars are on
link and it's like that's cool because they're all they're all
guys I can like do content with we need or do something fun or,
or do a video on their car or something.
So like that. That's easy.
But then we also have road race stuff.

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So like, for example, we work with like a couple of the tuners
that are in the Rotary thing, like ASM Andy from ASM, yeah,
he's going to kill me from forgetting his.
Name. Come on.
Got it. Levine, Eric Levine Motorsports,

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like we work with them a lot. So he tunes a bunch of cars out
here running on links and stuff.I mean, like, and it's cool
because we also are involved in like watching a series like
Matan Rosenberg, who won the theGLTC competition last year.
We work with him and so like, he's cool to do content with

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him. You got like Chris Borsma, He's
like one of the fastest, like front wheel drive cars here with
his Civic. Like we, you know, do stuff with
them. So like there's like, and then a
bunch of other Rd. racers as well.
So there's all kinds of different content to get out at
an event like this, whether it's, you know, guys trying out
new chassis is like a new chassis, for example, or a new

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plugin we have is our GT86 plugin.
There's a bunch of GT-80 sixes out here.
FRS is BRCS, you know they're all the same, right?
Shoot for a product that doesn'tisn't visible.
Like, oh, it's easy out here with a because there's so many
things that Link does visually. Yeah.
Whether it's. How do you dictate it?

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Like what do you, what is the what do you prioritize or like?
Well, for me it's like, OK, wellfor anytime using a link or you
want an aftermarket ECU, there'sso many reasons for that.
I mean, whether it's you want safety, so you protect your
engine or you want, you know, tohave some fun with some
Motorsports features like launchcontrol, Rev limiter and anti

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lag, stuff like that. And so like those are really
easy features to show off and talk about and.
I personally have an anti lag and it sounds cool as fuck.
I get it, yeah. So like like stuff like that's
really easy to you know, film for and also just kind of even
the tech support that's actuallykind of an underrated thing

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about link ECU is like their tech support is kind of amazing.
It's 24 hours, six days a week and I don't think any other ECU
company does that or it is even close to that not.
That I know of. And like, we're lucky because
it's out of New Zealand. So you get so like at night you
talk to a guy from New Zealand who speaks perfectly good

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English, you know, And then likeduring the day you'll talk to
someone from America, you know, and like our tech sports, like
really freaking good. And with a, with a product
that's so technologically, I would say it's, I don't know if
it's complicated is the right word, but like technologically
advanced and you're doing so much with a computer ECU.

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And like. Learning like PC Link for
example, and all that kind of stuff, which is editing software
that you use to tune a car and stuff like that.
It's good to have that kind of like second hand, like just like
reassurance that hey, if something seriously goes wrong,
like I can call these guys and they're going to help me.
And it's like having that like you buy other companies you

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like, there's a good chance thatyou're just going to be put on
hold or like, OK, well, yeah, you got to figure it out kind of
thing. And so that's the that's the
really cool thing. And and like the drivers here
really appreciate that. And the tuners really appreciate
that. And so it makes me getting
content from them super easy because a lot of them.
Just like asking them their specific stories on.

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Yeah, you know, like what's what's like, like like we work
with a bunch of FD drivers as well and stuff like that.
And like, I think last after you're on, I was talking to
Dallas Hughes, OK? I was like, Hey, how, how has
linked helped you out this this recently?
And he's like, dude, actually, they were like literally in my
car like yesterday and we were helping me diagnose something

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like we had a pedal sensor go bad or something.
And they helped me figure it out.
And it was like super helpful, you know, and stuff like like
those stories happen all the time.
And in this, like I said, it's easy stuff because the drivers
are super appreciative of how helpful we are.
They know that that a lot of this probably wouldn't happen
with a lot a lot of the other companies.
So like I said, getting content super easy.

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A lot of it's just customer customer testimonials.
I like to highlight the cool builds as well.
Like we got a Bailey bird, brought out a VR6 swapped FRS.
That's pretty cool. That's on a link Fury and
there's there's just a bunch of really unique stuff going on.
You got Jump Sport with their eco boost stuff all running like

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Linky use Linky CU's and stuff like that because of the DI
stuff. So that's kind of unique.
Like there's a whole bunch of like unique things out here that
are also like using Linky CU's and I like highlighting that
kind of stuff personally. But yeah, so and it's a fun
balance because with with Linky CU and then my company, there's

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so many synergies when it comes to what we do that it just makes
a lot of sense, you know? Do you think if it wasn't for a
link, you would have the connections that you have
throughout like say it's driversor other or whatever because
it's kind of it seems like it's put you in those.
Those it helps, yeah. I wouldn't say it.
It wouldn't say it hurts at all.I'm not saying contribute all of

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it to link, but it like. Yeah, like.
Put you in some good places. Before I was on Link, I was
pretty big and formally drifted.At the time.
I wouldn't say like, but it was just like.
It's not enough to like really be comfortable just off a
formula drift in terms of coverage.
So like when I jumped on it, just it helped a ton on that
side of it. But like I knew most everyone by

(28:13):
that point just because I was also shooting for link on the
side anyways. But, but it's definitely brought
me into learning and meeting a lot more road race guys because
at daily driving me, I kind of try to keep it drift specific.
And like we'll get to that when like when we do talk about like

(28:34):
our live streams that we do and,and all that kind of stuff in
our FT coverage, because that's,that's our primary thing with
like daily drive media is like alot of formula drift coverage
and like we try to do some grassroots stuff here and there.
It's just, you know, time is limited.
That's that's the biggest challenge for me.
But when it comes to the road race, road race side Link has

(28:55):
been awesome, like introducing me to all kinds of cool people
doing different things and. See, like for me, I don't even
have any reference to the road racing side other than maybe
Nate and Grant right in the rushstuff.
But so like I would have no input or you know.
Right or no like. With him, other than just going

(29:16):
to say hi, nice to meet you. Yeah, and like, and like I said,
since Link has such a good reputation, it they like me,
they're like, oh, you're the Link Media guy, let's go.
I love your stuff. You know, it's got to feel.
Good. It's like, oh, I haven't even do
anything but but it's just one of those things where Lync has
helped a lot on that side, you know, and it's really cool.

(29:38):
And like I said, you know, people know me from Lync, they
know me from the daily driver media side and it the automotive
community's like awesome. And it's hard to kind of explain
just over the years because I'vebeen doing it so long how how

(29:58):
much like, I enjoy coming to these events because they're all
my friends, you know, like I live, I'm not gonna lie right
now, I live in the middle of nowhere.
And so like all my friends are like elsewhere outside the
country. And so when I come to these
events, not only am I, you know,doing work and, you know,
getting paid for doing this kindof stuff, but I'm also, it's my

(30:20):
time to see my friends too. Yeah, because it's like, it's so
cool to see like just all the relationships over the years
and, and like we go through ups and downs all the times with
drivers and you know, and it's just really cool to like be a
part of that as drivers go through trials and tribulations
and, and even like people we work with and, and then the

(30:43):
triumphs and when they get it right and finally get the car
done or they went around or something or win an event.
And so like, that's kind of likethe best part because then you
get to capture it all. And like, I think people will
value the people start to value that a lot more as they get
older as well. And they like they want to go

(31:04):
back and like look at all their old events or old memories and
stuff. And like the guys that I've been
working with for like 5, like 6 plus years, like that's why they
still working with these becausethey now see how valuable it was
back then and they appreciate having that, you know, and like,

(31:25):
we did it, it may not be as goodquality as what I do now, but
like back then, like they're like, I still covered it, you
know? Yeah.
And it may maybe in 1080P and you know, not as nice as stuff
now, but like, that's another really cool thing.
I'll, I'll have all kinds of conversations with, you know,
guys that I've worked with over the years.

(31:46):
And like, dude, I was watching my video from like five years
ago, watching us hang out, do dumb things.
And it was, it was really cool. You know where they popped up in
their timeline of like, hey, this was five years ago or
something like that. And like, so that's really cool
to always talk to drivers about as.
Well, never expected to grow into a full time thing.
You know, and not, and that's The thing is it's like you

(32:09):
always dream, like, hey, you know, easy start a media
business, you know, like, hey, maybe I'll someday like, you
know, go shoot for some cool people and stuff.
Like I've had so many cool opportunities now to shoot for,
like, you know, the top drivers in formula drift to some really
fast road race guys out here in grid life, for example, and like

(32:31):
to see the the business continually grow.
And even this year, like it's been insane.
I do zero marketing. I message no one now by the way
people message me. It's, it's and it's.
Cool. When did that?
When did that flip? Like what was what do you think
was the the factor that really made that?
Change it was around the time that I jumped on link ECU

(32:55):
probably two or three years ago is where I literally stopped
messaging people because one, I didn't have to because I have
the the the day job of link and I don't I don't need more work.
So that was kind of the nice, the saddle.
He had that cushion. Yeah, I had the cushion right,
but doesn't mean my work got load got less.

(33:18):
That's The thing is it's like they just messaged me anyways.
They're like, hey, we're doing footages here.
I'm like sure, yeah, yeah, I'll get you on the list.
You know, it's like, it's like. Anything.
It probably increased because oh.
Yeah, I've doubled prices and everyone said yes this year.
They're like, Oh yeah, sure, totally.
I'm like. How do you make those tough
decisions on your prices? Like what are what factors are

(33:40):
you going through to determine what cost what?
Well, you know, I have a life outside of filming and editing
and, you know, it's like. You got a kid now?
I got a little one. By the way.
Yeah, thank you. I got a little.
He's 2 1/2 three months now, so I've missed half his life, so
that's great. But you know.
Don't look at it like that. That's crazy.

(34:02):
Yeah, it's like it's that's the sad part, but it makes it
exciting to go home and stuff. But my time, it just gets, you
know, I start to value it more and more every year.
And so like, you got to start, you know, wedding not just
sounds bad, but wedding people out and, you know, making sure

(34:23):
you're putting your time into like the most valuable stuff
that you're doing. But it's this, it's funny
because I did expect to be working less this year because I
upped prices on pretty much everything.
And no, I'm working more. So how how do you compensate
that now now that you've you're the money is.

(34:44):
The cool thing is is now I have a three man team in Formula
Drift. But so.
So how do you make that work? Because it's not as easy as
everyone thinks. You know it's expensive.
It's. Not much expensive but the right
people. How do you find the right
people? So I've gone through a couple
people throughout the years. For probably the last 3-4 years

(35:08):
I've had a two man team, which is which has been awesome.
And that's really where the business started to grow is when
I had a two man team. It was me started out with
Rebecca or Rebecca. I'm trying to remember her
actual handle, but she's awesome.
So she's actually Matt Sopa's wife.

(35:28):
I'm Matt Sopa, who runs great out of Formula Drift.
She's really good. What did you have them handling
at the time? Like what did you have them
handle once you brought them on?It was just Rebecca.
This is the one I. Worked with.
But she she ran the tripod, carried it around full filming,
just like me. She was a killer.

(35:49):
And then she ended up, you know,as you know, people get older
than, you know, they grow up andshe had a kid.
So I was like, OK, so I worked with another, another guy for I
think it was 2 years. He did a really good job.
But you know, he, he's more intolike dance car stuff, you know,
making like more money because, you know, there is limited money

(36:11):
in front of the drift. Let's be honest here.
But two years ago I picked up Herbie, who I was, I still work
with today, Herbie Media. And he's like, it's like he's so
grateful to, you know, be comingout and doing all this stuff.
And it's so hard. Like when we go to Formula

(36:32):
Drift, like we meet all these kinds of different media guys
and stuff. And like, that's always
something in the back of my headis like, OK, who would be cool
to work with? You know, like who who's the guy
that has the work ethic that I do?
And there's not many of them, I'll be honest.
Like it's not, it's not a, it's not a, it's not a, it's not a
fun job. Or like a not necessarily fun.

(36:54):
That's the word, right? Or like it's very not.
It's a passion job. It's.
A passion job and we work insanehours.
We're there before at the track,before everyone.
We're probably there until aftereveryone leaves and then we're
editing well into the night. So it's not a fun job.
It's long hours. You really don't get a lot of
time to hang out with people because we're filming the entire

(37:16):
day. We're filming all the runs.
We cover both pro and pro spec. There is no breaks you.
Miss a lot of the extra stuff that happens.
Right. You don't.
You don't. You don't really even get to eat
half the time. So it's finding those kinds of
people is tough, but Herbie, youknow, fit the bill perfect.
Like I've known him for a long time before I even hired him.
And like we go, we go back a ways and you know, this year was

(37:41):
the year that oh, OK, OK. You know, our our Rob from RV
media was the guy we hired on for this year.
So an add on through three man team.
I had some people that I do a lot of work for in pro.
Now. One guy got moved up to pro
Astomata. He's a guy like I've done
content with for years and then like I'm doing a bunch of other

(38:02):
work for some other drivers as well on pro now.
And like I've slowly picked up more and more.
Just this is how it goes. You know, you, you get around
people realize what you can offer and you just keep growing.
So when you're in FD, you it, itmade financial sense.
And for me, the time really became important to me this year

(38:26):
to get as much work done as I can at FD now.
So I'm not doing it at home. So when I go to FD now, I film
maybe four or five runs or maybeI'll go film like the first part
of top 16 or something. Like I have two other guys now
that run the cameras all day. I'm on the computer almost the
entire day at formerly drift now.

(38:46):
But it helps me get the content done now faster.
Like I can offer now content more quickly to people, which is
another reason I can up my priceand then Ioffer.
But or like that way I have moretime when I do get home to
hopefully spend time with the wife and the kid and and and
and, and you know, where previously I was just working

(39:08):
the entire time, you know, So like that's where it became more
of a valuable to me, especially with hiring the third person is
like my time is really limited. And the fact that we're not
getting smaller as a business, despite, despite my efforts of
literally not doing any marketing, it's been, it's been

(39:32):
really cool to see because you know, guy, the the drivers
support like you know who they respect and who they like
working with. And I've had nothing but support
and like it's crazy. Like I don't, I don't.
Know what's the next step for you then after that like.
Well, like, here's the crazy thing, right?
Well, here's the crazy thing. I can't really talk too much
about it right now, but like I'mhaving an my first opportunity

(39:54):
to go leave the country and actually film for a.
Driver. And it's like it's, it's one of
those opportunities where I was like, I couldn't say no to, but
like I also was like, Dang, how am I fitting this into the
schedule already? But it's like, it's cool to see
that this year it's now taking me like internationally.
And it's one of those things where, like you, like I said,

(40:16):
you dream about this kind of stuff, but now it's like it's a
reality. And like there's possibly
opportunities to do other stuff this year and it's.
Like share who you're going with.
Not yet, but but but very soon there's there's still some
things that got to be ironed outand stuff like that.
But he's a driver I cover in Formula Drift so people can just

(40:39):
isex some of that stuff. But there's a wild card driver
and we'll be doing. Give us a hint.
I know, I know. You just watch, you watch some
videos and you'll you'll figure it out, but.
Oh, so it's like it's technically kind of out there
already. No, not yet.
No, it's not out there at all, but maybe by.

(41:00):
Now, yeah, we'll see, but I'm excited like it's it'll be the
first time I it's going to be draft Masters.
Mondello is where I'm going and it's my first time going to
drift Masters event. Like I'm super pumped to go
well. There's your hint, Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, you'll probably figure it out by the time this comes out.
But but The thing is, is like, it's cool to see where the

(41:24):
company is kind of taking me as well.
And like, I couldn't have done it without Link, for example.
Like they've done so much for me, like, and I feel like I've
done a lot for them personally, but you know, it's like I, I can
never not think of them as well,you know, and they've been so
awesome to me and like they're agreat company to work for, but
then also how much work I've putinto my own company as well.

(41:48):
It's, it's just, it's cool. And, you know, end goal for me
is I send people out and then I stay home and then they give me
footage. I can edit it afterwards or
whatever. But like, obviously that's the
end goal where like, hey, maybe I'm not at every FD round, but I
still got a three person team out there and we're covering
everything. We're still doing the same thing
to do an awesome work. You know, I can, I can teach

(42:10):
Herbie the editing side of like how I operate and how we do
things, or I can teach job to dosome, some B roll stuff that I
like and, and make sure we do like interviews or something.
We hit that. And so like, that's kind of the
end goal is like, so that way maybe I do get to spend a couple
more weekends home than I normally would.
But for now, it's, it's still cool to even see what we're

(42:31):
doing. Like like I said, for the amount
of FT drivers we work with and like this year or like I want to
give huge credit to Herbie as well because we do also do the
FD live stream practices. So I was going to ask about that
because I know you mentioned live streams.
How are you handling that alongside all of this stuff as
well? So Herbie, so generally I like

(42:53):
to have one camera that's shooting the majority of the
run. So it kind of worked out to
where I could just give Herbie aphone and live stream from that
as well. And it just worked out.
It was like, because you don't need anything special to live
stream from a phone. You just put it, you just attach

(43:14):
it to the camera. You see what Herbie sees and
people love that. And now it's it's funny because
everyone in FD now watches it, especially with the drivers and.
Stuff like a practice show, right?
Yeah. So and then we do, we do live
streams afterwards, pre shows wedo after shows that formative,
we do interviews with FD driverslike like we've interviewed like

(43:38):
F, like Matt Field, Odie Bocce'slike Dylan Hughes, like all
these guys have come on and likewe've done the cool thing about
doing live streams is we can interact with the chat.
So like that's a little different side that we do on our
channel is like when like Dylan Hughes is on, people are asking
them questions, you know, and they're trying to find out, you
know, what to do on their EU46 build.

(44:00):
When Matt Fields on, we had a bunch of Corvette guys on asking
about Corvette stuff and then. Like why do you choose?
Is that? Is that the reason you choose to
do it live or was there a? Different reason.
Well, like I yes, in in Fort, inFort in short, there's guys that
do awesome podcasts like you, like, I'm not going to compete
with that. I'm not going to lie.
You know, it's like it's not it's not my wheelhouse.

(44:21):
But if I could do something a little different, you know, do a
live stream and the challenges of live stream is guessing every
once in a while I'll kick someone out.
It is what it is. Like it's, it's just live
streaming. That's just how it is.
There's always issues that happen with the live stream.
But the cool thing is, is like Isaid, it's live.
So you get what you get. Like there's no cutting it.

(44:42):
There was one live stream that Idid cut a little bit out of
afterwards. So you know.
Still out there though for a bit.
Yeah, but it was out there for alittle bit, but it's just like,
it's just like, that's the cool thing.
It's like you, you, you really don't know what you're going to
get. So that's the fun part.
But then also we do interact with the chat as much as we can
and ask questions that the chat asks and they love that.

(45:06):
And like that's the difference element.
So you can hopefully differentiate me from like
everyone else that does stuff like that.
And so that's, and like we try to keep it towards coverage of
formula drift just to kind of give it a direction.
You know, everyone's what we'll talk.
We'll also talk about like driftmasters and stuff, but it's very
drift side focused just from that side of it.

(45:29):
So if you guys want to check it out, it's daily driver media.
We go live every Tuesday at 8 pretty much no matter what.
At least we try to and then. By the way, how do you regulate
audio for, like the guys that are just drivers?
They don't really, you know, have camera audio equipment.
You just wing it. Yeah, I love it.

(45:50):
Yeah, well, like. It's like, it's like we've had
drivers on phone on their phone.Yeah, yeah, just do live from
their phone. I just sent them a link and they
jump in the chat or in the room and then we go live kind of
thing. So like for us, we do not have
the best audio quality usually just because it's that's just
how it is. But it like I said, that's not

(46:10):
our mangle. Our mangle is the live stuff
chat interaction, you know, getting people to talk to, you
know, some of the guys that theylook up to.
So that's like our whole thing is like for us, it's the live
stream. And then like when we go live
during four major practices, forexample, like it's it's from a
phone. It's not 4 KHD practice footage,

(46:32):
but people love it and like people love talking about FD in
the chat. All the FD drivers watch it now.
Like for example, I was doing aninterview with Adam LZ and then
it was Atlanta for link ECU, buthe he was watching Colette's run
from our live stream on his phone.
He's like, wait a minute, how are you doing?
I was like, buddy, I got AI, gota couple other guys.

(46:54):
It's not just me, but but like aguy, even a guy like him is like
watching practice of like Colette.
So he can help give her pointersduring practice because
obviously FD isn't live for likepretty much most of practice.
So. It's so important for the
drivers, It's really cool. So like, just as an example of
like, and then like even in likethe pit area, you'll see like a

(47:17):
lot of the bigger booths will have TV's and they'll running,
they'll be running our live streams with Herbie on it, you
know, talking all this shit and stuff.
And it's a good time. And, but back to Herbie, like he
motivated me. He's like, dude, we could
actually like make this, this thing.
Because for the longest time I kind of gave up on the YouTube
thing just because it's like, it's so hard as you know, to do

(47:39):
to like be successful on YouTube.
It's so much work and like I'm so busy doing other things, So I
was like he pushed me to be like, listen, we can make this
his thing. So like that's the live streams
are popping, right? But now the fact that we now
offer a live stream every Tuesday as well, talking about
FD, talking about the round. We'll have, like I said, guest

(47:59):
drivers on all the time doing things and it's just another way
to cover formula drift that for the fans and stuff like that and
and whatnot. And it's been a really fun
endeavour. And I wouldn't say it's like
super successful or anything. And outside of like, you know,
like in terms of making money, but like, but it's your

(48:19):
marketing. But now we have right.
And now we have a following and a bunch of fans of daily driving
media and it's so cool. You know, like every FT.
Round it's unique to see how media people specifically carve
out a way to market their media without being a brochure pack

(48:39):
yeah and it stands yeah so like and.
And for me, it's like there's only so much money out there in
terms of filming and for companies and drivers.
Like there is not a lot, I'll behonest out there even in AFD.
So if I can, you know, get a couple 100 bucks here for doing
a stream here or there, if I canget it some some stuff from over

(49:03):
here on, like doing some YouTubecontent, like like that's huge
because it makes you know, bringing out Herbie, bringing
out Rob and these guys to these FD rounds and like they're
getting paid like very terribly.For example, he talked to me
like last year. It's like, dude, this is the
most money I've ever made at FD and he's just working for me,

(49:25):
you know, and a couple other guys.
It's like, it's like I'm able tonow give these guys like some
financially viable solutions of coming to FD.
So how important is it for all of these drivers to have a media
person from your perspective as a media?
Oh, well, you have to, that's like a, it's like bare minimum,
you got to have something from FD or like if you're driving FD,

(49:47):
some kind of media like that's, that's a, that's not even like a
question of whether or not you should, you should.
But the cool thing about us is we save drivers money because
you don't have to fly us out. That's why drivers use us,
because we're more affordable than flying out your own media
guy. And we do in my opinion a pretty
damn good job at covering your event for you.

(50:09):
You get 2 angles of every run you do, plus a bunch of B roll
content of you of your pit of the car and stuff like that.
What about the others? Like obviously you can't be at
every single event, so like. I am.
What how do how do you or what'syour suggestion 2 drivers to do
Like what? Go find a media person or you.

(50:30):
Talking like outside of form of drift or?
Yeah, yeah. So just like in general for any
driver like how important is? Find a guy that's reliable and
that you like and do not let himgo anywhere else.
Pay him whatever you need to to get him out.
What do you mean get him out? To whatever event.
You're going to oh, oh, OK, OK. Yeah, find a media guy you like

(50:51):
and you harass him, be like, hey, you're coming to this round
with me and we're going to go dothis pro AM or something and
you're coming to these rounds and like you got to find
generally you want to find someone young like in college or
something that has time to go doout and do this stuff or like,
or you know, like you. Know would you suggest doing
that for free or would you? Suggest so when when you're a

(51:13):
meeting guy starting out, like Iwent to events and they just
brought me. Now, I don't know if everyone,
not everyone's willing to do that, obviously, but that's,
that's, that's a way possibly ifyou can bring a media guy with
you, like that's huge from a media guy's standpoint, you
know, but even like just just finding people that you want to

(51:40):
work with and like hounding themto like come to those rounds or
your events or whatever you're driving, because it is tough.
But once you find someone reliable, like stick with them
because it's, it's hard when you're, you know, bouncing from
media out of meeting guy and like you, sometimes you get

(52:00):
burned. It's just how it is like, and it
goes both ways, by the way, likesometimes we will work for
drivers and then all of a suddenmoney's not there.
It's just like, OK, so, so it goes both ways.
But but especially for me, it's like you find a guy you like,
try your best to keep him around.

(52:21):
I completely agree with that. I'm in the same boat myself.
I only keep one client at the moment and it just says on the
media side of things. So yeah, I I would agree with
that. Now it's, it's a, it's, it's not
AI wouldn't say it's an easy business to be in.
It's definitely not. But.
Boy is it I was like, gorgeous. Yeah, it's not glamorous.

(52:44):
You got to work your tail off. What is the biggest
misconception that most people have getting into media and
camera work? Don't expect, don't expect
success anytime soon, that's fordamn sure.
I didn't make. I didn't, I didn't make money as
a business until about five years in.

(53:05):
Wow. Yeah.
And it wasn't like anything I could live off of.
But like I did big buddy, you know, would.
You consider where you're at nowand where the business is
successful. I mean, yes, to a point, yeah.
I mean it's successful, but likeit's not like I'm just rolling
in it either, you know, like when it when it comes to like I

(53:30):
still need link. It's not like like say, for
example, worst case scenario, like for some reason the world
ends in lengthy stops like beingmy main like job.
Like I probably would have to gofind something else, you know,
like just to like continue what I'm doing and learning it or I'd
have to make serious cuts in what I've been doing, like life

(53:53):
wise, you know? Not all of these companies out
here and just media people are as big as everything seems to
be, so that's why I point that out.
Yeah, it's just like we're all still just working our.
Assets. Oh yeah, dude, it's like even
like even like Larry's team, forexample, Larry, Larry Chen's
team is a great video, guys. They're awesome, dude.

(54:13):
They work all day, all night. Like they work just as hard as
us, like, and they do great worktoo.
And like their life is not glamorous at all.
And they're like, they're like, you know, you, you're like,
you're pinnacle, like textbook media team, but like, it's not
glamorous. I could tell you that.
From well, how different is his team compared to something like

(54:35):
yours? Not too much different at this
point 'cause we're both have a guys.
Does he have we're both have a three man video team?
Both of us. Oh, that's it.
Yeah, so he's only got 3 guys for video.
I got three guys for video. They're pretty much is 4 or
five. I would.
No, no, no. They're just, no.
They're pretty similar to us. They get a little bit better
access just because they're they're part of FD or whatever
in some areas, but but they alsoshoot differently.

(54:58):
They shoot real time, real time,like you can't really slow down
any of their footage. They also don't shoot and log
like we do. So we have a little bit more
dynamic range range in our videocontent versus theirs is very
they shoot and make your standard color.
There's not really much wiggle room in terms of playing with
it, but it works for them and they get content out really

(55:21):
fast. And like they have their own
other niche, so they do a reallygood job as well.
And so like, they're technicallymy main competitor in FD at this
point, but I also love them. They do great.
Work. That's got to be cool to feel
though. It's cool.
And like Larry's guys love me. I love them.
Like they're awesome. They're great friends, Larry and

(55:41):
I've known Larry a good while now and at some point we'll get
him on our live stream as well. He he wants to come on and do do
our stream as well. And he's he's been awesome.
Like he's a guy that I've, you know, I've talked to throughout
the years and like even ran somestuff by and he's been really
helpful. Just kind of just to talk to,
you know, like a guy that's beenthere done that, and it's been

(56:04):
really cool to kind of see that.I mean, there's all kinds of
guys like Lauren in HD, he's been doing content in FD
forever, talked, picked his brain a lot, you know, stuff
like that. And it's, it's been really cool.
And now people ask me about stuff and it's it's it's, it's
now gone the other way where like.
Hey, so like, now you're a mentor.
Yeah, and like I get I I got my own little kids now and my team

(56:28):
and I get a, you know, boss round and also like home built.
And it's like it's it's been really cool.
But again, it did not happen overnight at all.
I can tell you that much That's true.
Like I said, been doing this forlike nearly a decade now and you
know, just for it to kind of become what it's.
Well, given that you've done it for nearly a decade, do you ever
see yourself getting a car and driving?

(56:50):
I do, I got my own car. Like Doug, but often like, do
you think it'll you'll ever havethat type of time?
Eventually, yeah, I mean that's the angle, right?
You know, it'd be cool to have like a daily driver media like
sponsored car out there doing your.
Whole food setup and stuff, yeah.
Yeah, You know, that's the, it'dbe fun, but you know, prior
priorities right now, you know, it's like it's hard.

(57:12):
No argument so. Many there's so many other
things, you know, you got to think about, you know, and why
not like because like I said, I got my own.
I finally got a drift car last year that like consistent, that
like actually is decent. And it's been a lot of fun, you
know, going to events every oncein a while.
And I can like local ones because that's about what I have
time for. But for anyone that doesn't
know, What Car does a media guy?Buy one that's already built

(57:37):
because I don't have good idea. I don't have time to I don't I
don't have time to work on my stuff.
So it. Was already, everything was
ready, yeah. It's already gone.
It's a EcoBoost E40 E Sorry it'san EcoBoost E36.
It was Gem Sports old shop car. Oh, sick.
OK. Yeah.
So is Sean All Good's old car? Yeah, Yeah.

(58:00):
And traded him for that car. And it's been, it's been a lot
of fun. I broke both my axles last time
I made. That's the last event.
But you know, we're working on some things, you know, just make
it more reliable. But like, like that is I bought
a car that was already built forme.
I don't have time to go build myown stuff.
I don't have the knowledge base to do that either.
I can wrench on basic stuff. I can change the oil.

(58:22):
You know, I got to do like you simple things, right?
But like I don't have time to bedoing my engine swaps and and
like welding things together anddoing all that kind of I just I
don't. So I needed something and it
just kind of worked out. I'm doing a fun collaboration
with Link on that car with the new ECE that's coming out, the
Neo like because that's like ADIengine.

(58:44):
That's kind of a new thing for us and whatnot, but.
Was is driving that car the first time you've ever, like,
tried to drift? A vehicle, I've dabbled in other
stuff, but I've just not had a car that's been reliable or or
like I could just go take out and RIP.
So now that I have something I do go out a couple more times.
Like I've I probably have like 5or 6 events now under my belt

(59:08):
but like I do SIM driving too. Like I got a little SIM that I
still drive and when I can. What kind of SIM do you have?
It's it's mostly some magic stuff.
So like I I forget what, it's just like your Amazon seat and.
And. Like set up, but then you know,
I got some some magic pedals andand wheel.

(59:29):
But yeah, nothing crazy. Yeah, it's just simple SIM
magic. Yeah.
And then I just got a whole SIM magic set up myself, so yeah,
yeah. It, it works really good.
I had a buddy set it up for me because I know nothing about I,
as my Herbie would say, I'm the most technologically illiterate
person he's ever met. Like I use a Mac for all my

(59:50):
editing stuff. So when it came to Windows
stuff, I'm like, what's this mean?
Like how do I do anything? What do you mean I have to
update drivers? What are those like?
Like so like I'm. When it comes to technology,
like, I'm pretty, I'm pretty old.
Have you tried any of like budget SIM setups compared to
yours or has it always been on that SIM?

(01:00:13):
No, because if I was going to doa SIM setup, I wanted to do it
right. And I have so many friends that
do SIM work and SIM stuff and like they're like, if you're
going to do it, this is what youget.
And I'm like, OK, I save money and I did it.
Good. That's what that that's just,
that's what I had to do. You know, it's like I'm like I'm
one of those people that if I'm going to do it, I'm going to do

(01:00:35):
it right. I'm going to do it all the way.
Like there's no like half doing anything for me.
So it was the same thing with media.
Like I did the halfway thing andit did it.
Now that I have it, it's incredible how realistic a lot
of the features and stuff of notjust the wheel but the pedals.
I I could go into infinite details on just the pedals.

(01:00:56):
I don't know too much about it, I just know it works tonight and
I have a lot of fun driving withsome friends every once in a
while when I can and I'm not good.
Or anything before driving. So not necess.
I mean, my first time drifting was at Reese Marin's school in
Pennsylvania, so that's where I got the basics.

(01:01:16):
Shout to Reese, he does really good stuff out of his school
Evergreen shoot drift Evergreen I think is what it's called.
And so I, I, I've got the basicsdown, but like I'm not like
consistent right. So then I got the, the SIM set
up over the winter this year andI had a night and day difference

(01:01:41):
from when I was driving the BMW at the end of the year last year
and to this year, beginning of the year this year.
I feel so much more confident now that I did the SIM set up
and it's been really, really cool.
What details in the SIM did you get to like?
Kind of learn I guess. Teacher it's it's, it's timing
is what you learn and get a lot better AT.

(01:02:02):
And that's what I needed to workon was just timing.
When you need to bound throttle,how much throttle should you be
doing and what should you be doing with your hands and wheel
movement and all that kind of stuff?
When should you be pulling the handbrake like all that kind of
stuff. It's just it's all timing and
the SIM is what really helped mebe a lot more confident in my
timing. And it it was a big help the

(01:02:24):
first time I went out. So that's awesome.
It's been really cool. But yeah, see.
I hope to see you out there morein an actual car.
Hopefully we'll get to that point.
Yeah, exactly. It's just, you know, the timing
and all this stuff. I got an event in July.
I'm going to go drive and hopefully, you know, get a bunch
of laps and you know, so hopefully some good footage and
trying to make what I can. I have my free time on my own

(01:02:46):
stuff but no shout out to. All this, by the way, if you're
looking to upgrade your SIM stuff, you can use the Circle of
Drift code on SIM HQ, say 5%. That's not much, but yes, it's.
Don't do it so it can help. It is expensive, but it's worth
it. Yeah.
Grant, I don't have a little great with cheaper.
Stuff but like it works and I'm it's and it like it made a

(01:03:06):
tangible. Majority of it is the bases is
what costs so much. But it but that's the most
important part. I know it's the.
Most important part is the wheelbase.
Yeah, do not just the wheelbase like the actual cockpit itself.
Oh yeah, if you're doing like a semantic one or like a super
nice one, yeah, like mine's, mine's Amazon special, you know,
so that's where I cheaped out. I got real nice pedals.

(01:03:30):
I got nice wheel. But to like it's all mounted to
like a, you know, cheap Amazon deal.
And so it's, but it works. And yeah, I, I really, I really
do enjoy it, but. Good dude.
Yeah, well before I let you go, what would you just boil down
your best piece of advice for anyone looking to do
photography, videography, any type of media work?

(01:03:53):
How do I not kill someone's spirit?
Kill their spirit. I know dude, it's fine.
Run a pod. Don't expect success any like I
said anytime soon, but be consistent work hard.
I know it's a cliche, but I was not the best person when I
started out at media at all by far.
I didn't know what I was doing at all, but I recorded

(01:04:14):
everything I posted a lot. I tried to meet as many people
as I could, tagged them all and stuff reached out to all kinds
of people. Do not feel bad about reaching
out to drivers by the way. It, it is what it is.
It's the industry like people reach out to my drivers all the
time and I don't care. I get it, you know, like do your

(01:04:35):
thing. People send stuff all the time
to the drivers I work with. Cool.
I don't care you. Know Jared, Deanda said like
yesterday, go until you get the no.
Yeah, once you get the no, do you feel at least you got an
answer? Yeah, exactly.
And it's like, and like for me, it's like, you know, you got to
put yourself out there. You got to do it.

(01:04:57):
I try to find something that works for you in posting
content. For me right now it's it's doing
the clips stacked on top of eachother.
That's worked out pretty good for me, getting noticed and
stuff like that. But find something that you like
to do and that and like I said, try to have some fun with it.

(01:05:22):
Get good at trying to do editingwork because that's always a
challenge. There's not a lot of good video
editors out there. That's I think an underserved
market and a market that if you get good at that's, that's
probably where you can make some, some actual money is video
editing. With the way that the motorsport

(01:05:43):
in itself is expanding, that would be the next thing, which
is that's what I tried focusing on more.
It's just. Cost you nothing to sit.
Around and do but everyone wantslike a dedicated media.
Person but it cost you So what alot of drivers do that I work
with they don't send anyone out.They get my footage and send it

(01:06:04):
to an editor yeah, because that's kind of that's the
expensive bit like I charge an arm and a leg for editing but I
would I would argue I'm decent at it but also like that takes
up a lot of time for me other what a lot of drivers do they
get my footage to send it to an editor that they're not sending

(01:06:25):
anywhere because it costs them nothing really to because you're
not sending them anywhere. I guess that's what I'm saying.
Like it costs you nothing as an editor to just edit a video,
apart from like the power it is to power a computer.
You know if someone sending you stuff and.
Then you get to go besides the software.
Right. Yeah, exactly.
But there's free stuff out there.

(01:06:46):
I'm pretty sure Da Vinci's free.Here's a free version of it, or.
Something, no? Well, there is a free version of
Da Vinci. Yeah, I don't know.
I use I. I use yeah.
Cap cut, you know, I use Final Cut.
I I've been using, I've been using Apple products and when I
started, so I kind of went that route.
So now I'm stuck. I can't really use anything
else. Final Cut's great.

(01:07:06):
Though Final Cut is super easy to use, I got a lot of plug
insurance for it now. I got thousands of dollars in
plugins at this point for it, but it's like.
But yeah Final Cut is what I usebut all of them are good.
Adobe. They do the job.
You can, you can get anything done with all of them.
Da Vinci's like I so I would be.I would be.

(01:07:27):
If you want to get good in the media set area, you're good at
editing and it's the most boringpart too.
But dude, good editing will get you way farther than the
filming. It's so true.
And the edit can make the story,but the the videographer is, I
can't remember the saying, but like the videographer can only

(01:07:50):
shoot for what he knows. Story happens in the edit,
something like that. I don't know, I'm no genius and
I'm no big camera guy either. So yeah.
Anyways, that was some good advice.
I appreciate that. Yeah, well, you know, can't get
by all my secrets, not that I have any.
All right, right. Well, cool, man.

(01:08:10):
Well, I'm sure you're about to have to get back to work, so
I'll let you go do that. Enjoy the rest of your time.
Yeah, if you want to check out some live stream stuff, you know
daily driver media is where I'm at and shout out to link ECU
because they do good products aswell.
So. Damn straight do that.
Awesome. Thanks for having on bud of.
Course bro, go enjoy the rest ofyour life.
Awesome. See you.

(01:08:31):
Trust no bitch, can't catch no feelings.
I've been taking long flights from the baby Ibiza hit home
run. I'm a ball like Jeter.
I just want 444 then I leave. I'm a young pop star called a
boy. Justin Bieber got a little
money. If you want a teacher whole life
a movie, you can watch it in theater to the ceiling.
Trust no bitch, can't catch, no feelings.

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