September 25, 2025 • 14 mins
In part two of our three part Q&A series, we turn to two of the biggest questions our listeners ask: what does it mean to be a man? And what do we mean when we say queer men?
Tim shares how his definition of manhood has evolved from fear and rigidity to a more expansive, skillful, and authentic engagement with life. Together, we explore how gender expectations shape our experience, how queerness challenges cultural norms, and how men's work can offer a place to wrestle with these questions in community.
Eric asks what it means to belong in a men's circle and how queer men bring unique gifts like fluidity between energies, expanded empathy, and a broader sense of masculinity to these spaces. Along the way, we remind ourselves that ideas of manhood are not fixed: they change across cultures, across history, and across our own lifetimes.
Short, sharp, and from lived experience, this episode unpacks the evolving conversation about what it means to be a man and why queer perspectives matter in men's work.
Chapter Markers
0:00 – Welcome & Episode Framing
Eric introduces part two of the Q&A series, focusing on what it means to be a man and what we mean by queer men.
1:10 – Defining Manhood
Tim reflects on how his understanding of being a man has evolved through men's work, healing, and lived experience.
4:25 – Who Belongs in Men's Circles?
Expanding inclusion: identity, nonbinary men, and working with the masculine aspects of self.
7:05 – What Does Queer Mean?
Tim shares why he embraces the word queer and how queer men experience masculinity differently than straight men.
10:20 – Unique Gifts of Queer Men in Men's Work
Queer men’s fluidity between energies, empathy, and expanded perspectives on relationships and masculinity.
12:50 – Manhood Through Time & Culture
Tim and Eric reflect on how cultural ideals of men shift over history and why authenticity matters more than rigidity.
14:00 – Closing & Invitation
Eric invites listeners to continue the conversation and join practices at myembodiment.com.
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Eric Bomyea (00:05):
Welcome back to our three part Q and A series. In
this episode, we're going toask, what does it mean to be a
man? And what do we mean when wesay queer men? Tim, are you
ready to go all in?
Timothy Bish (00:16):
I'm ready. Let's go.
Eric Bomyea (00:18):
How do you define what it means to be a man, and
how has that changed for youover time?
Timothy Bish (00:23):
It's interesting because it's such a simple
question. And I suspect if weasked every man we could find,
we would get a slightlydifferent answer. But now having
been in the men's work space andin healing spaces and yoga
spaces and shamanic spaces, Ithink being a man is an
(00:49):
unapologetic lived engagement inmy life as the person I am
fully, which is interestingbecause I feel like that
definition would be true for allhumans. We just have to
recognize that to be a man orperceived as a man and to be a
woman or perceived as a woman,there are there are external
(01:12):
factors that sort of influenceus. And so can I be a man?
Can I can I embody this physicalvessel and allow myself to
experience all the things thatI'm capable of and that and that
are natural to me? And can I doit skillfully? I think the
(01:36):
question is really a humanquestion, and then we and then
we start to recognize thepressures or expectations that
are placed on people that areperceived to be or identify as
men versus those that areperceived to be or identified as
women. Understood. So if someoneis questioning about, like,
(01:58):
should I
Eric Bomyea (01:59):
be listening to your podcast, or should I be
coming to your circles? Like,how would I know if I identify
as a man?
Timothy Bish (02:05):
Yeah. I mean, they they have to tell us. Right? I
so the the when I first got intomen's work, the rule was always
the only criteria to be in amen's group is to be a man. And
I have changed that for, youknow, the queer community that
I've been mainly serving and tosay, well, the only criteria to
be in a men's group is to be oridentify as a man in whole or in
(02:28):
part and have an interest inworking on that part.
So for example, I have manynonbinary friends. You are
welcome in the men's groups thatwe have if you wanna work on
that male or masculine aspect ofyou. That to me feels like if
that's a thing you want toexplore and work on and it and
(02:51):
it's a part of you, then you arewelcome in my space. Now I don't
know that that's I I can't speakfor all men's spaces. That's
true for my space.
If you wanna work on that partof you, then come. I have, I
think, a pretty robust femininepart of me too, but I do not
think that I am qualified yet toto lead that space if if there
(03:16):
was a group that wanted to dothe same thing for the feminine.
Right? I would go to someoneelse's group if that if I wanted
to do that. Does that makesense?
It does.
Eric Bomyea (03:25):
Yeah. So we're expanding the definition, right,
that this is beyond sex andgender.
Timothy Bish (03:32):
I don't believe and listen. I I lived in New
York City for twenty five years.I've lived in Provincetown for
three and a half years. Ifsomeone says they're a man, then
then they're a man. And if andif they wanna work on that part
of themselves in this way, thenthey are absolutely welcome to
do that.
The the it's it's a little bityou know, it's it's kinda crazy.
I don't wanna get into, like, aa conversation about trans
(03:54):
people, but this idea of, like,well, I never think someone's
less of a woman when they have ahysterectomy. Do you know what I
mean? Like, it's like that feelthat feels that feels arbitrary
to me. You're like, so so Idon't care.
I don't care about anythingexcept is there a part of you
that is a man that wants to workon that?
Eric Bomyea (04:15):
That is very it's very open, very welcoming, and
very accepting. So I thinkthat's really beautiful. And so
we reference queerness insteadin in your definition there. And
so I'm curious now what do youthink about the word queer, and
what is a queer man?
Timothy Bish (04:33):
Well, I love the word queer, and I know some
people don't love the wordqueer, but I like it because I
think it is really open. And Ilike to refer to myself as a
queer person because I wantevery other person in our
LGBTQIA two s plus community toknow that they are safe with me.
(04:54):
I think that queer people andqueer men or gay men have a
different or typically have adifferent relationship with the
cultural idea of masculinity,and therefore, they they go
through a slightly differentprocess. So I remember when I
first entered into men'sworkspaces, which was deeply
populated by straight white men.And I remember thinking, oh,
(05:19):
there seems to be this thisshift where the the question is
for many of these men, am I manenough?
But I have found with queerpeople, the question is a little
bit more like, we still have amI man enough? If you if you
identify as man, am I manenough? But also, am I a man? Or
(05:39):
is this aspect of me, does thatdisqualify me somehow? And that
and that comes from a lot of,like, messaging.
I certainly heard it.Questioning like, oh, if if you
like this or if you're good atthis or if you want to do this,
well, then that that makes you awoman because only women should
want to do that. And and so Ithink that process means that
(06:01):
we've had to kind of wrestlewith it differently.
Eric Bomyea (06:03):
So is it fair to say that a queer man is anyone
that deviates from the societalnorm of what a man is?
Timothy Bish (06:13):
Yeah. I've I'm feeling nervous about, like,
locking myself down into adefinition, but I think I think
yes. Because I think queernessdoesn't necessarily have to do
with any particular sexualdesire necessarily. So, yeah, I
think I think yeah. I'm gonnaI'm gonna go with that for now.
It's a it's a deviation fromthis sort of that that sort of
very binary idea of, you know,men and women, and it should be
(06:36):
this and should be this. Like,there's a blue column and a pink
column like that. And I thinkqueerness is like, oh, I don't
I'm not quite that. I'm I'm likea fuchsia. Yeah.
I'm like, you know you know, oh,I'm
Eric Bomyea (06:48):
a fuchsia. I'm an indigo. Oh. Yeah.
Timothy Bish (06:51):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Think You get what I'm saying,
right?
Eric Bomyea (06:54):
I do. I do. And I think that there's a lot of
nuance there, so I think it'sjust helpful to give a little
bit
Timothy Bish (06:59):
of context there.
Eric Bomyea (07:02):
And it's an evolving conversation. So I
mean, this is something that wecould revisit. That's why I
started the question of like,and how has that changed over
time? Because it may be ourlearned lived experience and
awareness and understanding ofit now, and that could be very
different in a year, two years,five Well,
Timothy Bish (07:21):
I mean, it's changed over time for me because
when I the reason I went intomen's work in the first place
was because, you know, it waspandemic, but it was because,
oh, I feel unsafe around men,and I wanted to start to work
with that. Is it serving me tocontinually feel unsafe around
straight men? So that's why Iwent into that program. And in
(07:45):
so doing, I have createdunbelievable connections with a
lot of great men who were notshowing up in the same way that
some of the men who gave mevery, very clear reason to be
afraid of them, these men wereshowing up differently. And then
it then I thought, oh, there's alot of value here and a lot of
(08:06):
value in a relationship withanother man that is without
agenda.
So we say in men's work all thetime or my teacher says in men's
work, Amir Kalligi says all thetime, you know, this man across
from you that wants nothing fromyou. I've added to that a little
bit. And the way I say it islike, this man wants nothing
from you but your fullness.Meaning, like, I don't I don't I
(08:27):
don't need money from you. Idon't need you.
I don't need you. I don't Idon't desire you. I don't need
anything. I just want all I wantfrom you or for you is that you
are your fullest self, and I'mwanting that for me too. And
that's really beautiful.
And I have felt supported andbuttressed in ways that I would
never wanna give up. It'srestored my faith in straight
(08:53):
men, but more than that inhumanity. And I think it
required me doing some workaround my fear, my justifiable
fear. There was nothing wrongabout my fear because you gave
me reason to be afraid. But Ithought, how long do I wanna be
afraid?
Is this fear serving me? And sothat's why I stepped into it.
Eric Bomyea (09:13):
And in those spaces, what have you found
that, queer men have to offerthat may be unique in men's work
spaces?
Timothy Bish (09:19):
So in men's work thank you for that question. In
men's work spaces, we often talkabout masculine feminine, this
sort of polarity of, like,energy. I like to think of it as
yin and yang, sun and moon,alpha, omega, like, all these
sort of, you know, things. And Ithink that queer men, for any
number of reasons, tend to bemore adept at ebbing and flowing
(09:45):
between these energies. So Ithink that you know?
And and David Data talks aboutthis in his book, Way of the
Superior Man, where, you know,large majority of men are going
to be masculine identifiedbeings and the larger, you know,
percentage of women. And thenthere's, like, these neutrally
energized people. So, anyway,all that is to say, I can't tell
(10:05):
you how many times I've been ina men's workspace, and this guy
is talking about a conflict thathe's having with his girlfriend.
And he's so confused about it. Idon't understand why she is
doing this or not doing this orwhatever the thing was.
And, you know, all the otherguys are, like, nodding. And I
remember being, like, the queerperson there, and I'm like, I I
think I totally understand whyshe's doing that. And I was and
(10:29):
and part of it feeling like, Ithink maybe I'm tapping into my
ability to to feel her herexperience in a way that you
can't. And I do remember onetime, I actually had this sort
of funny story where I reflectedthat back, and I had the whole
Zoom room sort of just stare atme. They were like, I feel like
they stared at me in the sameway they would stare at their
(10:50):
girlfriend or wife to be like, Idon't I don't even I can't
compute.
I'm like, she's not respondingto the circumstance. She's
responding to a pattern. She'supset about the pattern. She
doesn't care about the socks orthe dishes. She's upset about
the pattern that thatrepresents.
And they were like, you know,that so, like, I think there's I
(11:11):
think there's opportunity andand, camaraderie there. You
know, I think it takes a littlebit of time. But the ability for
queer men, I think we just arenaturally more capable or, like,
culturally more allowed to tofeel and experience those parts
of ourselves. Is there anythingelse on this topic of
Eric Bomyea (11:33):
being a man or masculinity a rare man that you
would like to say?
Timothy Bish (11:38):
I would just like to say that, you know, these
cultural ideas of what it meansto be a man, right now, we still
sort of live in this idea of,like, the strong man, the
Marlboro man. You know? But ifwe look back through history,
what it meant to be a man andthe idea of the ideal man has
evolved. You know, our foundingfathers wore wigs and high heel
(12:01):
shoes. I just wanna invitepeople into when you are looking
for your most authenticexpression, be mindful when you
feel really attached to a momentin time.
You know, pink and blue that Ithink I referenced earlier, they
were swapped at one time. Someof this stuff is arbitrary.
Right? And so when in men'swork, we're looking for
(12:24):
authenticity. We're looking for,you know, authentic expression
and truth and honesty.
And these things that we livethrough, like, they may feel
like they're true for our wholelifetime. They might be true for
our whole lifetime. That doesn'tmean that they're true. They'll
always be true or they've alwaysbeen true. And once we start to
think about that, you're like,oh, okay.
(12:45):
Well, some people that I revereand think of very strong men,
George Washington crossing theDelaware in the depth of winter,
like, feels intense. Right?Like, he might have been wearing
a wig and high heels. And westart to broaden our idea of I
mean, I don't know. He was on aboat.
Maybe he wasn't wearing heels. Idon't know. But, you know, like
but, like, when you start torecognize, like, lots of these
(13:06):
things change. Why so if you'rebeing really rigid, maybe
question the rigidity.
Eric Bomyea (13:11):
Yeah. Yeah. It's a it's a good opportunity to say
it's not so black and white.
Timothy Bish (13:17):
I do not know what shoes he was wearing on that
boat. I don't know. Nor do Iknow his head. I knew he had,
like, a triangular hat.
Eric Bomyea (13:23):
In the painting. Right? That is then that's the
thing. It's a it's a moment intime. It's capturing a moment in
time through somebody else'sperspective.
We're not we were not there. So
Timothy Bish (13:32):
We were not there. But the whole point being that
our founding fathers presentedin a very different way than the
men we think of today. And so,oh, maybe the idea of what it
means to be a man or a woman ora human or a father or a son or
a lover or well, you know,whatever is an ongoing sort of
slowly evolving thing. And whenwe have that awareness, oh, then
(13:55):
maybe I don't have to be sostuck or hold other people to
the same sort of stuckness.
Eric Bomyea (13:59):
And so if you are listening and you're wanting to
explore some of this rigidnessthat you've experienced in your
life or you're wanting toexplore other topics, head on
over to myembodiment.com. Wehave weekly journal prompts. We
have forums where we can discussthese things in spaces that we
can hold each other and hold ourexperiences and witness each
other. So check it out and we'llsee you on the next one.
Welcome back to our three part Q and A series. In
this episode, we're going toask, what does it mean to be a
man? And what do we mean when wesay queer men? Tim, are you
ready to go all in?
Timothy Bish (00:16):
I'm ready. Let's go.
Eric Bomyea (00:18):
How do you define what it means to be a man, and
how has that changed for youover time?
Timothy Bish (00:23):
It's interesting because it's such a simple
question. And I suspect if weasked every man we could find,
we would get a slightlydifferent answer. But now having
been in the men's work space andin healing spaces and yoga
spaces and shamanic spaces, Ithink being a man is an
(00:49):
unapologetic lived engagement inmy life as the person I am
fully, which is interestingbecause I feel like that
definition would be true for allhumans. We just have to
recognize that to be a man orperceived as a man and to be a
woman or perceived as a woman,there are there are external
(01:12):
factors that sort of influenceus. And so can I be a man?
Can I can I embody this physicalvessel and allow myself to
experience all the things thatI'm capable of and that and that
are natural to me? And can I doit skillfully? I think the
(01:36):
question is really a humanquestion, and then we and then
we start to recognize thepressures or expectations that
are placed on people that areperceived to be or identify as
men versus those that areperceived to be or identified as
women. Understood. So if someoneis questioning about, like,
(01:58):
should I
Eric Bomyea (01:59):
be listening to your podcast, or should I be
coming to your circles? Like,how would I know if I identify
as a man?
Timothy Bish (02:05):
Yeah. I mean, they they have to tell us. Right? I
so the the when I first got intomen's work, the rule was always
the only criteria to be in amen's group is to be a man. And
I have changed that for, youknow, the queer community that
I've been mainly serving and tosay, well, the only criteria to
be in a men's group is to be oridentify as a man in whole or in
(02:28):
part and have an interest inworking on that part.
So for example, I have manynonbinary friends. You are
welcome in the men's groups thatwe have if you wanna work on
that male or masculine aspect ofyou. That to me feels like if
that's a thing you want toexplore and work on and it and
(02:51):
it's a part of you, then you arewelcome in my space. Now I don't
know that that's I I can't speakfor all men's spaces. That's
true for my space.
If you wanna work on that partof you, then come. I have, I
think, a pretty robust femininepart of me too, but I do not
think that I am qualified yet toto lead that space if if there
(03:16):
was a group that wanted to dothe same thing for the feminine.
Right? I would go to someoneelse's group if that if I wanted
to do that. Does that makesense?
It does.
Eric Bomyea (03:25):
Yeah. So we're expanding the definition, right,
that this is beyond sex andgender.
Timothy Bish (03:32):
I don't believe and listen. I I lived in New
York City for twenty five years.I've lived in Provincetown for
three and a half years. Ifsomeone says they're a man, then
then they're a man. And if andif they wanna work on that part
of themselves in this way, thenthey are absolutely welcome to
do that.
The the it's it's a little bityou know, it's it's kinda crazy.
I don't wanna get into, like, aa conversation about trans
(03:54):
people, but this idea of, like,well, I never think someone's
less of a woman when they have ahysterectomy. Do you know what I
mean? Like, it's like that feelthat feels that feels arbitrary
to me. You're like, so so Idon't care.
I don't care about anythingexcept is there a part of you
that is a man that wants to workon that?
Eric Bomyea (04:15):
That is very it's very open, very welcoming, and
very accepting. So I thinkthat's really beautiful. And so
we reference queerness insteadin in your definition there. And
so I'm curious now what do youthink about the word queer, and
what is a queer man?
Timothy Bish (04:33):
Well, I love the word queer, and I know some
people don't love the wordqueer, but I like it because I
think it is really open. And Ilike to refer to myself as a
queer person because I wantevery other person in our
LGBTQIA two s plus community toknow that they are safe with me.
(04:54):
I think that queer people andqueer men or gay men have a
different or typically have adifferent relationship with the
cultural idea of masculinity,and therefore, they they go
through a slightly differentprocess. So I remember when I
first entered into men'sworkspaces, which was deeply
populated by straight white men.And I remember thinking, oh,
(05:19):
there seems to be this thisshift where the the question is
for many of these men, am I manenough?
But I have found with queerpeople, the question is a little
bit more like, we still have amI man enough? If you if you
identify as man, am I manenough? But also, am I a man? Or
(05:39):
is this aspect of me, does thatdisqualify me somehow? And that
and that comes from a lot of,like, messaging.
I certainly heard it.Questioning like, oh, if if you
like this or if you're good atthis or if you want to do this,
well, then that that makes you awoman because only women should
want to do that. And and so Ithink that process means that
(06:01):
we've had to kind of wrestlewith it differently.
Eric Bomyea (06:03):
So is it fair to say that a queer man is anyone
that deviates from the societalnorm of what a man is?
Timothy Bish (06:13):
Yeah. I've I'm feeling nervous about, like,
locking myself down into adefinition, but I think I think
yes. Because I think queernessdoesn't necessarily have to do
with any particular sexualdesire necessarily. So, yeah, I
think I think yeah. I'm gonnaI'm gonna go with that for now.
It's a it's a deviation fromthis sort of that that sort of
very binary idea of, you know,men and women, and it should be
(06:36):
this and should be this. Like,there's a blue column and a pink
column like that. And I thinkqueerness is like, oh, I don't
I'm not quite that. I'm I'm likea fuchsia. Yeah.
I'm like, you know you know, oh,I'm
Eric Bomyea (06:48):
a fuchsia. I'm an indigo. Oh. Yeah.
Timothy Bish (06:51):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Think You get what I'm saying,
right?
Eric Bomyea (06:54):
I do. I do. And I think that there's a lot of
nuance there, so I think it'sjust helpful to give a little
bit
Timothy Bish (06:59):
of context there.
Eric Bomyea (07:02):
And it's an evolving conversation. So I
mean, this is something that wecould revisit. That's why I
started the question of like,and how has that changed over
time? Because it may be ourlearned lived experience and
awareness and understanding ofit now, and that could be very
different in a year, two years,five Well,
Timothy Bish (07:21):
I mean, it's changed over time for me because
when I the reason I went intomen's work in the first place
was because, you know, it waspandemic, but it was because,
oh, I feel unsafe around men,and I wanted to start to work
with that. Is it serving me tocontinually feel unsafe around
straight men? So that's why Iwent into that program. And in
(07:45):
so doing, I have createdunbelievable connections with a
lot of great men who were notshowing up in the same way that
some of the men who gave mevery, very clear reason to be
afraid of them, these men wereshowing up differently. And then
it then I thought, oh, there's alot of value here and a lot of
(08:06):
value in a relationship withanother man that is without
agenda.
So we say in men's work all thetime or my teacher says in men's
work, Amir Kalligi says all thetime, you know, this man across
from you that wants nothing fromyou. I've added to that a little
bit. And the way I say it islike, this man wants nothing
from you but your fullness.Meaning, like, I don't I don't I
(08:27):
don't need money from you. Idon't need you.
I don't need you. I don't Idon't desire you. I don't need
anything. I just want all I wantfrom you or for you is that you
are your fullest self, and I'mwanting that for me too. And
that's really beautiful.
And I have felt supported andbuttressed in ways that I would
never wanna give up. It'srestored my faith in straight
(08:53):
men, but more than that inhumanity. And I think it
required me doing some workaround my fear, my justifiable
fear. There was nothing wrongabout my fear because you gave
me reason to be afraid. But Ithought, how long do I wanna be
afraid?
Is this fear serving me? And sothat's why I stepped into it.
Eric Bomyea (09:13):
And in those spaces, what have you found
that, queer men have to offerthat may be unique in men's work
spaces?
Timothy Bish (09:19):
So in men's work thank you for that question. In
men's work spaces, we often talkabout masculine feminine, this
sort of polarity of, like,energy. I like to think of it as
yin and yang, sun and moon,alpha, omega, like, all these
sort of, you know, things. And Ithink that queer men, for any
number of reasons, tend to bemore adept at ebbing and flowing
(09:45):
between these energies. So Ithink that you know?
And and David Data talks aboutthis in his book, Way of the
Superior Man, where, you know,large majority of men are going
to be masculine identifiedbeings and the larger, you know,
percentage of women. And thenthere's, like, these neutrally
energized people. So, anyway,all that is to say, I can't tell
(10:05):
you how many times I've been ina men's workspace, and this guy
is talking about a conflict thathe's having with his girlfriend.
And he's so confused about it. Idon't understand why she is
doing this or not doing this orwhatever the thing was.
And, you know, all the otherguys are, like, nodding. And I
remember being, like, the queerperson there, and I'm like, I I
think I totally understand whyshe's doing that. And I was and
(10:29):
and part of it feeling like, Ithink maybe I'm tapping into my
ability to to feel her herexperience in a way that you
can't. And I do remember onetime, I actually had this sort
of funny story where I reflectedthat back, and I had the whole
Zoom room sort of just stare atme. They were like, I feel like
they stared at me in the sameway they would stare at their
(10:50):
girlfriend or wife to be like, Idon't I don't even I can't
compute.
I'm like, she's not respondingto the circumstance. She's
responding to a pattern. She'supset about the pattern. She
doesn't care about the socks orthe dishes. She's upset about
the pattern that thatrepresents.
And they were like, you know,that so, like, I think there's I
(11:11):
think there's opportunity andand, camaraderie there. You
know, I think it takes a littlebit of time. But the ability for
queer men, I think we just arenaturally more capable or, like,
culturally more allowed to tofeel and experience those parts
of ourselves. Is there anythingelse on this topic of
Eric Bomyea (11:33):
being a man or masculinity a rare man that you
would like to say?
Timothy Bish (11:38):
I would just like to say that, you know, these
cultural ideas of what it meansto be a man, right now, we still
sort of live in this idea of,like, the strong man, the
Marlboro man. You know? But ifwe look back through history,
what it meant to be a man andthe idea of the ideal man has
evolved. You know, our foundingfathers wore wigs and high heel
(12:01):
shoes. I just wanna invitepeople into when you are looking
for your most authenticexpression, be mindful when you
feel really attached to a momentin time.
You know, pink and blue that Ithink I referenced earlier, they
were swapped at one time. Someof this stuff is arbitrary.
Right? And so when in men'swork, we're looking for
(12:24):
authenticity. We're looking for,you know, authentic expression
and truth and honesty.
And these things that we livethrough, like, they may feel
like they're true for our wholelifetime. They might be true for
our whole lifetime. That doesn'tmean that they're true. They'll
always be true or they've alwaysbeen true. And once we start to
think about that, you're like,oh, okay.
(12:45):
Well, some people that I revereand think of very strong men,
George Washington crossing theDelaware in the depth of winter,
like, feels intense. Right?Like, he might have been wearing
a wig and high heels. And westart to broaden our idea of I
mean, I don't know. He was on aboat.
Maybe he wasn't wearing heels. Idon't know. But, you know, like
but, like, when you start torecognize, like, lots of these
(13:06):
things change. Why so if you'rebeing really rigid, maybe
question the rigidity.
Eric Bomyea (13:11):
Yeah. Yeah. It's a it's a good opportunity to say
it's not so black and white.
Timothy Bish (13:17):
I do not know what shoes he was wearing on that
boat. I don't know. Nor do Iknow his head. I knew he had,
like, a triangular hat.
Eric Bomyea (13:23):
In the painting. Right? That is then that's the
thing. It's a it's a moment intime. It's capturing a moment in
time through somebody else'sperspective.
We're not we were not there. So
Timothy Bish (13:32):
We were not there. But the whole point being that
our founding fathers presentedin a very different way than the
men we think of today. And so,oh, maybe the idea of what it
means to be a man or a woman ora human or a father or a son or
a lover or well, you know,whatever is an ongoing sort of
slowly evolving thing. And whenwe have that awareness, oh, then
(13:55):
maybe I don't have to be sostuck or hold other people to
the same sort of stuckness.
Eric Bomyea (13:59):
And so if you are listening and you're wanting to
explore some of this rigidnessthat you've experienced in your
life or you're wanting toexplore other topics, head on
over to myembodiment.com. Wehave weekly journal prompts. We
have forums where we can discussthese things in spaces that we
can hold each other and hold ourexperiences and witness each
other. So check it out and we'llsee you on the next one.
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