June 3, 2024 • 51 mins
Can artificial intelligence revolutionize the music industry? Brace yourselves as we kick off an electrifying discussion on AI's transformative impact on music production, DJing, and more! We explore how AI is not just a futuristic concept but is already reshaping how music is composed, produced, and even consumed. From AI-generated tracks to personalized playlists on Spotify, we unravel the secrets behind these advancements and speculate on what the future holds for AI's role in entertainment.
We're thrilled to celebrate a milestone as we officially announce the launch of our podcast on YouTube, TikTok, and various social media platforms starting June 1st. Every Monday at 12 PM Eastern Time, you can catch our synchronized weekly releases. Plus, we're spicing things up with contests, giveaways, live interactions, and Q&A sessions featuring influential guests. Our heartfelt thanks go out to our listeners who've been with us since January—we're excited to reward you with some fantastic prizes as our community continues to grow!
Ever wondered how DJs are keeping up with the rapid advancements in AI technology? We dive into the evolving landscape of DJ software, contrasting traditional beat matching with modern waveform analysis. Discover the revolutionary tools like CrateHackers, Lexicon DJ, and DJ Studio, and their impact on a DJ’s workflow. We also discuss AI's incredible capabilities in stem separation, acapella generation, and even voice replication of iconic artists. As we gaze into the future, we ponder AI's potential to seamlessly select tracks based on crowd responses, while acknowledging that the irreplaceable human touch will always be at the heart of DJing.
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Ilia (00:19):
how's it going, everyone?
And thank you for joininganother episode of the clever dj
with ilia and nino howdy doodyguys.
It is episode number 23 number23 and a very, very, very
special episode.
That is because it's alwaysspecial.
We do say it a lot, we do sayit a lot.
(00:39):
But, um, today and I'm gonna bereading a lot because there's a
lot to say but we are veryhappy to bring you the super
special episode today andofficially announce officially
announce that all of thefeatures of our podcast which
were discussed in the past aregoing live today.
(01:00):
Yes, live.
So June 1st is when we're goingto actually start, but this
podcast will be aired june 3rd.
We're just going to condenseeverything and make sure that
everything is going live and bythe end of june, uh, everything
will be back on track in termsof all the features we discussed
.
Uh, so, as you've heard before,um, we mentioned we are on
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YouTube and TikTok.
We also said that we have awebsite with lots of information
on it pertaining to the podcastand DJing in general.
We've been sharing our socialmedia links and advising of
certain new features which areupcoming in our podcast, of
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certain new features which areupcoming in our podcast.
So we're happy to say thattoday is the month that we are
going to actually startreleasing all of that.
It's going to be released in avery condensed manner because we
have to catch up and you know,we know, we said you know, and
(02:07):
you know, we know, we said youknow, check us on our website,
check our youtube videos andevery month, every month, we we
thought it's going to be it, butthis time it's happening.
Everything is ready and youknow, if you want to do
something right, sometimes ittakes some time.
We're proud to announce that ouryoutube channel is now going to
feature all of our fullepisodes, uh, and we also have a
second YouTube channel which umwill have uh, just the shorts,
(02:31):
just the YouTube shorts, theclips, um, and other content, uh
, which is not our full episode.
So if there's any promotionalmaterial, anything else, that uh
fits that channel more, that'swhere it's going to be.
Uh, we're also going to be.
We're also going to featurecontent on TikTok as well as our
social media, which has beendormant up until today.
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All of the episodes which aregoing to air up until the end of
June 2024 will be uploadedbefore the end of the month and
starting July 2024, we are goingto uh sync YouTube and TikTok
with all of our other platforms,uh, which we have been on
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weekly, every Monday Uh, thismeans that every Monday and for
now it's 12 PM, so, everyone,every Monday, 12 PM Eastern time
you're going to have access toour weekly podcast episode on
every platform going forward, sobe at spotify, apple music,
google for now, before they areclosing down and uh migrating to
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youtube music um and iheartradio literally every platform
out there along with youtube um,tiktok.
Everything is going to bereleased around the same time
every week.
Everything will be uploadedsimultaneously and the website,
as well as social media, will bekept up to date on the same day
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for each podcast episode, alongwith additional content between
episodes.
Uh, additionally, uh, we wouldlike to remind you that, aside
from our banter style DJ podcast, we are going to also include
contests as well as giveawaysand live podcast episodes.
Yes, the live stuff is comingas well where you can uh
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interact with us and uh call inor send messages during the
podcast.
Um, we are also going to haveQ&A sessions as well as
interviews with influentialguests in the industry, as well
as industries which arecorrelated to DJing.
Right, it's not only aboutDJing, but everyone we work with
, and it influences us in oneway or another, and that's
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starting up.
In the next few months.
We're still working on it, butthat's coming up very, very soon
.
A lot of this was planned tostart months ago, but we wanted
to make sure that we do itcorrectly, so we delayed it a
little bit and we're happy toannounce it today, as everything
is already in motion.
Lastly, we just want to give ahuge shout out.
(05:03):
You know what I'll do it again.
We want to give a huge shoutout to all of you who stuck with
us ever since the first episodeback in January.
Back in January this year, wereally haven't been doing any
promoting and you all found us,yeah, but we still have
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listeners.
Nino (05:24):
So somehow you guys found us?
Yeah, but we still havelisteners.
Yeah, you all, for somehow youguys found us.
Ilia (05:28):
Yeah, you all found us in one way or another, and um,
we're happy to say that we havehundreds of listeners already,
uh, across the world.
Different platforms um,different styles, different
methods of listening to us aswell.
Just just uh, of listening to usas well.
Just, just, uh, audio, yeah,just audio for now.
(05:49):
We had a few episodes uploaded.
You know, we were testing outyoutube, youtube shorts, tiktok
and we got a bunch of viewsright away.
Um, some likes, some peoplefollowed us, but we've been
taking it down, we've beentrying different things, but, uh
, what I'm trying to say is thatthe community is growing and
this is one of the reasons wecan finally start treating you
with some awesome prizes, likegiveaways and fun contests.
(06:11):
Right, I mean, you guys makethis podcast what it is, because
all of this, all of thisinformation, I mean, yeah,
somebody has to consume it.
Right, and um, we believe thisis the best time to start this
because, while many podcasts andyoutube channels don't start
giveaways until they're likethousands and thousands of
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listeners and viewers, we wouldlike to treat you uh early as a
thank you.
So there's a much higher chanceto win the, the, the prizes,
the giveaways, because there'sfew of you for now, quite a few
already, but still, incomparison to other YouTube
channels and podcasts, there's amuch higher chance to win and
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to just participate in a fun way, considering how early we're
starting this.
Amongst the giveaways, we willhave items as cheap as USB
drives, maybe t-shirts and stufflike that, and small hard
drives all the way to differentkinds of cables and hardware,
headphones, as well as speakersand controllers and many other
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items used in the dj world.
Yeah, dj electronics, anythingdj related yeah, have some
anything that that you guys willappreciate.
Um, so, once again, a big thankyou, uh to every listener and
viewer out there who tunes in uhto our podcast.
Um, it means the world to usand we truly love doing this,
(07:39):
and we can continue doing itThanks to you.
Thank you, um, for today'sepisode.
We are going to discussartificial intelligence.
Oh my God, that's a big one man, finally.
Nino (07:52):
We've been wanting to do this episode for a while now,
but yeah, we've been pausing itand holding it back just because
it's a really big one.
Ilia (08:00):
Yeah.
So it's a topic which we meantto discuss back, uh, on our
first couple of episodes, andit's a huge topic, just like
nino just said, and we neverreally got around to to it.
So we decided, you know what,let's split it into two episodes
, maybe three episodes, yeah,because there's so much to talk
about.
So today we'll just be, we'lljust be a general scratching the
(08:22):
surface, pretty much um on itand um we'll be.
We'll bring you a much morein-depth, uh, a much more
in-depth episode about it in thenear future, as this is a
rapidly evolving topic and everytime we were ready to talk
about it, there was somethingelse that came out, yeah right,
so you know, you wrote so muchhere.
Nino (08:44):
Whatever?
Ilia (08:45):
I feel like I'm in a high school presentation or something
like that, but there's just somuch we want to really bring you
a proper episode.
Nino (08:55):
So in general, like AI has changed the world in general,
right?
So what do you think is thejobs that are affected with AI?
Ilia (09:07):
So just to provide kind of an overview about AI and the
current applications in themusic industry.
So artificial intelligence hasbeen rapidly transforming the
music industry.
It's impacting both musiccreation and the listening
experience, and just a fewtopics would be music production
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If you are part of communitiesonline where you can find music
or upload your own music, youcan find that a lot of music out
there is not really created byhuman beings anymore.
People are using ai modules tocreate it, so it can assist
musicians in composing new music, generating fresh ideas and
just creating entire piecesbased on specific styles or
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genres.
Um, and music recommendationand spotify is part of that too
spotify is very, very big with.
Nino (10:03):
That Helps you curate playlists for the listeners and,
yeah, it just gets in the mindof the listener and just curate
stuff that they've beenlistening to, past songs and
recommendations on new stuffthey might like right, kind of
like how did you know I wasgoing to listen to that right?
Ilia (10:22):
It's incredible.
So streaming services leverageAI algorithms to analyze our
listening habits and recommend,like, personalized music
selections um, something that ishas been done differently in
the past um content restoration.
So that's something that, likeI I even use certain apps right
now for the podcast or as a DJ,and it helps me restore old or
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damaged recordings, isolatevocals, stems.
Nino (10:58):
Like recordings, like old Beatles and stuff.
Right, like old recordings.
It'll actually make it up todate.
Ilia (11:03):
Like remaster it Pretty much, yeah, and stems as part of
it as well.
Uh, enhance the audio quality,like you said.
Um, and just this is the thecoolest and scariest one
personalized experience.
So ai can tailor music to anindividual's mood preferences or
even biometric data.
(11:24):
It's crazy, creating a fullycustomized listening experience
and, um, that's just somethingthat made us wonder what is in
the future for us in terms of AI.
Nino (11:37):
Um well, when the first time I brought it, we brought up
AI and I brought it up to you.
What was your?
What did you think?
So, because you just kind ofstarted DJing too.
Ilia (11:50):
I think you messaged me, you sent me some information
online what was it?
Youtube or something and yousaid oh, it was some article,
like like, we started talkingabout the fact that AI will be
integrated into certain hardwareyou know, software and hardware
where it's going to be able toscan the crowd and their
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heartbeat, heartbeat, the noisethat they're making, the
dopamine levels, the movement,because there'll be cameras and
stuff.
Nino (12:21):
So it's going to analyze people, their body like body,
like temperature and stuff.
So it's gonna analyze people,their, their body like body,
like temperature and stuff likethat.
Ilia (12:26):
So and it's gonna be able to read the crowd in a way that
a human being cannot sure likesure it's also.
It also goes vice versa.
I mean, a human being can dothings that ai can't, but just
give it some time.
Um, and, and you know, was likebuddy, you gotta get on this,
because soon, soon, you're gonnahave a job.
(12:51):
Yeah, it's gonna take over,right you're like, oh, I've
already done this for likearound 20 years.
I'm good, I've had my fun, Ihave a very well established
business.
But like you're just startingout, you you may as well get on
the train and, you know, developyour business before it's too
late.
How did you feel?
A part of me didn't believe youand I still, obviously, and
based on, like, the recent data,you can tell that, um, you know
(13:14):
, it's not, it's not there yetthat accurate that this is even
going to happen.
Um, as we're, as we're alsoadapting to it right in, in ways
that we're working with itinstead of it working against us
.
But in many ways, even thingsthat are not really AI, even
things that are as simple asself-checkout at a supermarket,
(13:35):
that has nothing to do with AIbut it's kind of automated as a
system and that took so manyjobs away from people.
But then look what happenedthey're closing a bunch of them
Because there's theft, there'sthis.
So at the end of the day, youcan't always rely on computers.
So I said, you know what?
There'll be the demographicthat's going to go for that
(13:58):
Pretty much the people who justuse a.
Nino (14:01):
And the thing is with computers you have to think
there's, there's always going tobe, a human controlling the
computer until it's until it'sthe other way around.
Ilia (14:10):
That's scary.
So a few months ago I read, uh,an article.
I'm trying to remember where Iread it.
It was, it was.
Nino (14:17):
It was a pretty like bro, you watch, you watch the
terminator.
Ilia (14:22):
yeah, a lot of stuff is happening that was in the movies
10, 20, 30 years ago, yeah, bro.
But I read an article thatstated I'm trying to remember
where it was, but it was alegitimate source and I believe
if you'll search it online,you'll find it.
You'll probably find a lot morethan just that article now but
it said AI will reachsingularity.
By when did I say that?
(14:42):
Oh man, 20, it was very soon.
It was like 2025 or somethinglike that.
Um, what that's like?
No wait, it wasn't.
It wasn't, it was.
It wasn't that soon.
I need to find it.
I shouldn't be saying stuffwithout without fully
remembering it, but it was a fewyears.
It was like 2026, 2027.
But the thing is, the reasonwhy I don't remember is because
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there was several other articlesthat kept on going closer to
our current year, because nowwith um, even chat, gpt, when I
was at 4-0 or something likethat, the new version and 5 is
going to come out.
Nino (15:14):
So how many?
How many versions are there now?
Ilia (15:16):
chat gpt well, I know that , though I I'm not going to
speak about it in terms ofversions because I don't know in
specifics, but I know four hasbeen out for a while and then
four oh, it's like the update.
And then I believe some samaltman said that it's going to
be so much crazier, which inmany ways it wasn't what what he
said it was going to be.
But they're coming up withanother update.
So all I'm saying is so.
(15:38):
All I'm saying is that ai is avery rapidly evolving industry
and a lot of the news you hearas a fact or a very, I guess,
logical theory can and probablywill change to something
(15:59):
completely different in the nextfew months or a couple of years
.
So I actually ended up findingthe article.
I really hope it is alegitimate source.
It looked like it was to me.
It's on popularmechanicscom.
It was published November 9th2023.
And it says that a scientistsays that the singularity will
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happen by 2031.
The reason why I was thinkingit was earlier is because I
found several other articlesthat are saying it's going to be
actually earlier than that andwas referring to this article
and other articles.
The whole profile of thatscientist is on that article.
(16:40):
I'm going to post it.
We're going to post it, butit's pretty much a singularity
is the moment where ai is nolonger under human control and
is less than a decade away.
Nino (16:50):
So this is pretty much what they're saying that's the
end of the human race, and thenwhen robots will take over.
And that's when you saidterminator.
Exactly so, exactly so.
Actually there's.
There's four versions of chatgpt right now, but there's more
coming out for sure 3.5, 4, 4,turbo or something like that,
and 4.0.
Ilia (17:10):
4.0, yeah, something like that.
Apparently, according to SamAltman, I read an article where
it said that the next chat GPTis going to be just on steroids.
It's going to be insane andsome people were disappointed
with 4.0, but I believe and I'mnot an expert on AI or chat GPT,
but I've been, you know, tryingto keep uh tabs on it I believe
(17:34):
huge changes are coming, ofcourse, very, very soon.
Um, I, uh, I just I read uhabout the few updates since 4.0
and it's just exciting, but atthe same time, it's freaking
scary.
Nino (17:48):
It's very, very exciting for for everybody.
Right, it's, it's, it's, butit's something that we need to
use, right?
So, cause we're developingSomething that you definitely
have to adapt to Adapt to.
Ilia (17:59):
So, uh, just a few uh software pieces of software out
there that use AI models ormodules.
One of them actually does notuse it.
I think that's Lexicon DJ, sowe'll start from that one.
From what I understand, itdoesn't Lexicon DJ itself does
not currently use AI for DJingtasks like beat matching or song
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recommendation.
For DJing tasks like beatmatching or song recommendation,
however, there have beendiscussions about potentially
integrating AI features in thefuture, such as syncing with
AI-powered DJ software.
I actually went on Reddit and Iasked I was actually curious
what somebody could say and theytagged either the developer or
the person in charge.
So, let's see what he says.
I'll update you guys later.
(18:43):
All right, so Lexicon DJ whatis that software?
So Lexicon is asubscription-based service for
mirroring your libraries andediting them across various
platforms.
So Rekordbox, serato, virtualDJ, et cetera.
Right, if you want to putsomething on a USB drive and
(19:03):
bring it with you, instead ofgoing through that whole process
of organizing Serato playlistsand converting them for you to
be able to use it on a CDJ setup.
I don't use CDJs yet, but Iknow that there's a whole
conversion setup version setup.
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So it's really cool because youcan import your music library to
edit your tracks and librarywithin Lexicon DJ and then sync
it back to the desired software.
So once your library is importedinto Lexicon, you can head to
the main track browser where youcan see and listen to all of
your imported tracks insideLexicon DJ and you then have a
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view of the library and a spotto drop the tracks, to listen to
each of them, while setting andremoving cue points or hot cues
and editing the beat grid.
If you right click on the track,there are many things you can
do with it, such as generate cuepoints, discover new tracks,
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find tags and album art, writetext to file and find mixable
tracks.
You can also add extra columnslike key, bpm, energy color
plays, comment, energy colorplays, comment, year and many
more, and organize it by eachcategory.
And when you first import yourmessy library into lexicon dj,
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it has two great features whichwill help you get set up right
right away, and they're calledsmart fixes and genre genre
cleanup.
So there's just so much more tosay uh about this incredible
software.
But we're just so much more tosay uh about this incredible
software, but we're justtouching on it to generally,
just just generally this episode.
Nino (20:50):
It doesn't use AI yet, but in the future probably will.
Ilia (20:53):
Yes and um.
It's amazing, it's a quoteunquote competitor.
Um is is crate hackers.
Now crate hackers um doesleverage ai.
It's not fully an ai software.
It does leverage ai in someaspects of their music discovery
and recommend recommendationfeatures.
(21:15):
Uh, and a breakdown of how theyuse ai.
Is curated playlists.
Um so, like crate hackers,analyzes data on popular songs
and dj preferences to createthose genre specific playlists.
Nino (21:28):
You've used that for picking songs on the fly.
Ilia (21:32):
Yeah, I have my own personal experience with
CreateHackers and the AICreateBuilder.
They have that feature as well.
It uses AI to recommend songsthat would mix well with a track
you provide exactly and that'sthe one that I'm talking to you
about a lot and the songrecommendations.
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When you search for a song,crate hacker suggests similar
tracks that might be a good fitfor your set, which was part of
that exactly same setup.
Um, I personally experiencedlots of bugs and weird crashes
with crate hackers.
I still paid for the whole yearbecause I believe it's an
(22:13):
incredible software.
It's potential right Insane,potential Insane and as a
beginner DJ, especially when itjust started For sure it helps
organize your crates and givesyou ideas for music.
And they have so much more.
Nino (22:32):
They have um curated playlists yeah, for weddings,
for prom and specific what typeof weddings.
I can see that being very, verylike helpful for new djs for
sure.
Yeah, like how?
Ilia (22:39):
how do you think this would have affected you all all
those years ago?
If I started off with that,yeah, I'd probably use create
hackers as well do you think itwould have made you, let's say,
let's say, when you started youhad access to that.
That's, that's.
I think that's a really goodquestion.
It would have.
Would you be as great as youare today, or better?
Nino (22:58):
or worse, it would have gave me no, it would give me
like a more of a um, like a headstart to, to getting to know
like songs but you'd be relyingon something that does
everything for you.
That's the thing.
I wouldn't want to rely onsomething like that, so would
you?
Ilia (23:15):
be better or worse?
You think probably worse.
It's kind of like people whouse a calculator, yeah, and
people who just like were forcedto not use a calculator and
just do everything in their headright, right, like yeah, um,
the way, the way you beat matchby ear, the way you exactly just
uh used like way, way older.
Nino (23:34):
Comparing to like that, it's like almost like looking at
the waveforms and trying tomatch it as opposed to beat
matching by ear.
Ilia (23:41):
It's almost the same thing yeah and um, I have a whole
overview here on on what createhackers is for, and it's just.
It's almost the same thing.
Yeah and um, I have a wholeoverview here on on what create
hackers is for, and it's just,it's incredible.
It's great software, incredible.
And I'm not sure if I have allthose issues with create hackers
because my laptop is older, butI also used it on my six
thousand dollar desktop and itstill had quite a few issues.
And again, it's such a complexsoftware there's there's, maybe
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you just didn't know how to useit properly, maybe so, so, so
it's not an official disclaimer,but I did experience some
issues with it, but I'm stillusing it because it's incredible
.
Some online too, like issues aswell that you were having so,
yes, but you know what you gotto support these resources
nowadays because this is allgoing to help us, yeah, and a
(24:25):
gun and also it can also workagainst us.
But you know, you gotta besmart about how you use it right
.
Nino (24:30):
Yeah, that was a while ago .
It could have improved by then,I'm sure it did?
Ilia (24:34):
I'm sure it did.
Uh, I also spoke to um, thedevelopers of another software
we're gonna uh speak about injust a moment, and they were
saying how they're how they'reworking on improving and what
they're going to do, and theykind of released information
that wasn't online.
I don't know why they took thatrisk.
I'm just out of respect to them.
I'm not going to say certainthings uh here, just in case
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it's not released yet.
But, um, yeah, I'm just readingon all the features of create
hackers and it's incredible.
You know what I'm going to.
I'm just reading on all thefeatures of CreateHackers and
it's incredible.
You know what.
I'm going to share this.
I'm going to share this link soyou guys can actually check it
out, but it's very differentfrom Lexicon DJ.
Do you remember how?
I wasn't sure what thedifferences were.
Yeah, lexicon DJ is more tocreate that playlist, that
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organized playlist which you canmove between software playlist.
That organized playlist whichyou can move between software,
um, and crate hackers, is moreintuitive with finding the next
track you should play, or aplaylist you should uh like kind
of, you know, add to your, toyour uh, to your serato or
record box, uh, crates, andagain, it's not giving you the
(25:43):
tracks, it just gives you the,the names, and it finds it
within your library if you haveit, or it shows you where you
can purchase it.
I mean, yes, how incredible isthat it compares different.
Nino (25:52):
Uh, dj pulls I see yeah, different.
Ilia (25:55):
Different dj records, different versions of the song
right sometimes it itrecommended ridiculous,
ridiculous options like, for Iremember it was uh, I was
playing, uh, beat it by michaeljackson, I don't remember what
was, I think.
Oh, I think you couldn't findanything to recommend, right?
(26:16):
I was just curious what it'sgoing to recommend and there was
zero results.
Okay, some of them were reallyawful results, but keep in, this
is AI and it's still indevelopment.
And I'm not speaking againstCrateHackers.
I'm just kind of letting youknow what my experience was and
hey, if I'm wrong aboutsomething or if things change,
(26:37):
we're definitely going to updateyou.
Still, I'm still using it and Irecommend using it.
We're not endorsed by anyonefrom create hackers, lexicon, dj
or um, the next offer, we'regoing to speak about dj studio,
but we we do want to make yourlife easier and so you got that
one too right.
Dj studio yes, I did and, fulldisclaimer, I returned it, uh,
(27:03):
not because it's bad, no, no,because it was not suiting my
needs.
So if you are and that's justone of many things you can do
with it if you are somebody wholikes to create those cool
youtube videos, uh like hourlong, or half an hour long at
least, uh kind of playlists, andyou're, and you're you like to
edit it nicely in your iMovie orwhatever simple software, this
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is that software on steroids.
It has way more tools where youcan transition the tracks in a
really cool manner, has so manyAI tools in it, but as a
singularity AI where it doesn'tneed your input, it's nowhere
near there.
Nino (27:42):
You still need to tweak it and put your own input.
Ilia (27:45):
I also try to give it the best, to tweak it and put your
own input.
I honestly tried to give it thebest tracks where it would not
require my input.
It still required it because inthe way it was transitioning,
everything it was just messy.
It made no sense.
The timing, the timing, themany things.
So you, as long as you have thetime to actually set it up
correctly, it will do a lot ofcool things for you.
(28:06):
But as, hey, I want to have asoftware does everything for me
so I don't have to practicebefore the gig, cause it's just
you throw all the tracks inthere and does it for you.
It's not there yet, nowherenear there.
A lot of people speak about itonline on how it can do it for
you.
There is a famous DJ whoreviewed, who reviewed that, um,
that software and made me thinkthat that's what it does.
(28:27):
And I was just curious.
Right, it was again many monthsago when I when I was just
really nervous on my first gigsand I thought, hey, I'll use
this as a crutch if anythinggoes wrong or something, so you
never know it might be betternow it's for sure better now I
spoke to them and it wasincredible what they were
working on.
Again, I'm not gonna get getinto details, but uh, uh, it's.
(28:49):
It's just you have to besupportive of um of these
companies, of these developers,because be realistic, this is
extremely new technology.
As a consumer, it's soconfusing.
Imagine, imagine as somebody isactually creating and building
it right.
(29:09):
And yeah, dj Studio uses an AImodule.
It's an AI-powered DJ mixingapp that offers features like
automatic song recommendations,beat matching and seamless
transitions.
Now, that's what it says online, but I wouldn't say it's
seamless.
But yeah, it definitely offersa lot of different features for
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the AI DJ out there, somebodywho wants to use some sort of
software to help them makethings more interesting or just
help them out with this processof learning how to become a DJ.
So everything is pointing to AItaking over not just the DJ
industry, but pretty much anyother industry.
(29:57):
But I think we can learn tolive with it.
Yeah, yeah, I think we can besmart and learn to live with it.
I think we have time.
Smart and learn to live.
Nino (30:05):
Learn to live with it I think we have time before it
takes to take over.
Totally remember um.
Have you seen back to thefuture?
Yes, many, many years ago.
Do you?
Do you remember that?
Um, that time, when the carsare supposed to be flying, it
was supposed to be two to two,2021, I think, or 2022 that was
the year.
I don't remember that year andit's pretty much, and and it's
(30:29):
pretty much, yeah, it's, it'slook at, look at it pull the
simpsons, and they knew what wasgonna happen.
Ilia (30:34):
We're not even close, so we know they're already, uh,
flying cars, like models like ofcars that are flying I not like
you, you know 100 feet in thesky, but it's you know.
It's like there were a fewarticles I already read about
somewhere in Asia they're tryingto, yeah, they have like
(30:55):
prototypes For sure, for sure.
I'm sure they've had prototypesfor a while, right, but yeah,
so I guess the norm is probablygoing to be at least that's
going to take a while still,yeah, and then.
Nino (31:08):
And then it's the airways how, how they're going to
develop like, how the way whereit's going to go?
And then, of course, trafficcontrol.
Traffic control, people.
Things are going to fall down.
What if there's an accident inthe air and then debris falls
down on us?
It's going to kill someone,literally drop on someone's head
right.
Ilia (31:26):
Can you imagine, like all the infrastructure, everything
they'll have to build?
So it's, it's not even atechnology that's so far away,
it's how to deal with it.
It's the roads they'll have tobuild, or, like the, the, the
air space they'll have todesignate.
Nino (31:44):
It's all the rules, all the legislation that that's take
, that will take a long time,yeah, and then the laws around
that too is going to be crazy.
Yeah so, man, yeah so we'regonna.
Um, so we're gonna keep goingwith some with some questions
now yes.
Ilia (32:00):
so what are some potential ?
What are some potentialbenefits of AI for DJs and music
producers?
Well, of course, I want to hearyour point.
Nino (32:10):
The benefits for DJs obviously is stem separation now
.
Now you can actually separateeach part of the song, like the
drums, the bass, melody, melodyand the music.
So it makes it very seamless ifyou're trying to mix songs
(32:31):
right, and that's what eqing wewent.
When we used to dj, eqing wasvery, very big because you want
everything to sound really,really nice.
You don't.
People say that eqing now isdead because of stem separation,
and that's amazing.
That's like what we dreamed ofas DJs that this technology has
(32:52):
taken it to the next level.
Ilia (32:54):
So what about acapellas?
Are they?
Nino (32:57):
still necessary Technically?
No, you can just make them onthe spot now.
Ilia (33:00):
Right, I mean stems are not where they should be still.
Nino (33:05):
Exactly.
It's not really there yet, butit's getting better.
Right, it's, it's.
It's almost there, it's almostthere and it's just gonna get
better and better as as as theyears go by.
Record box get on it, yeah,record, yeah.
Ilia (33:20):
Virtual dj and serato are virtual dj did it first right or
one of the first.
They were one of the first onesto do it, and I think theirs is
actually even better thanserato, am I?
I right?
Nino (33:31):
I think Serato is caught up.
And that's the thing, man,serato.
It took them a while to come,to get into the industry, but
they came out with a bang.
Ilia (33:41):
I really want to get the FLX10, and because it's
Rekordbox, I think it works withSerato too.
But most of the features workwith Rekordbox it does.
It was intended to be used withrecord box, right?
Yeah, because of the stemissues with record box, I'm not.
(34:02):
I'm not getting that controller.
That's the only reason why I'mnot getting it.
And you know what, if anyoneout there disagrees with me,
please let me know why youshould get it anyway.
But it's been a couple yearsnow and there's no end in sight
in terms of the uh um,ridiculousness of all the issues
with the stems.
Nino (34:18):
I think that's the one with the volume control and the
control.
You can control each stem.
Ilia (34:25):
That one has literally the hardware for it.
Yes, and the thing is,rekordbox 7 is out and they did
some incredible things, but theycompletely did not touch on
anything to do with stems.
From what I understand, fromwhat I've seen, um, and I
remember somebody said, somebodysaid on reddit they wish, they
wish, and I'm kind of with themwith that.
It's not a very smart, smartbusiness, uh move.
(34:47):
But uh, he says, uh, he wishesthat there was like a, uh, he
wishes that there was like akind of like an open source, um,
ai or a stem stem module, yeah,that all the companies can
share, yeah, and improve upon.
But that's kind of not very,very viable yeah, it's not
(35:08):
really good business model.
Nino (35:10):
Yeah, for real, for real so for for producers now, um,
it's it.
It just enhances everything too, like the producers can
actually use stems as well tofor acapellas and stuff.
But you can enhance, uh,certain um sounds with with ai
it can.
It can replicate, like artistslike different, like artists
(35:34):
like, just as long as as they'reonline, an artist like speaks,
it can replicate it exactly andthey use it for songs.
Now I'm like they created.
Ilia (35:45):
Who was the?
The artist?
Who, uh, who was the?
It was a dj thing.
Who, yes, yes, who created itwas a dj thing.
Nino (35:58):
Who, yes, yes, who created um a track with eminem on it,
which eminem did not actually?
No, he didn't, but they usedhis voice.
Yeah, that's mind-blowing right, and you can literally use
anybody's voice just as long asyou have access to their voice,
so you kind of like it has to beintegrated into, into a certain
kind of um system.
Ilia (36:14):
A friend of mine actually showed me how to use it.
You can't use everyone's voice.
It has to be kind of loadedinto some sort of api or
something.
But uh, I believe I'm using theright word, but pretty much
everyone's available.
You can manipulate it.
Nino (36:29):
Biggie smalls was on there .
Yeah, man, man, it's crazy howthey can do that man and it
sounds very, very real.
Ilia (36:35):
Some of them are still.
You can tell that's AI.
Nino (36:38):
Yeah, yeah, it's not processed well, sometimes like
who's the founder of Tesla?
Again Elon Musk.
Elon Musk, right?
Sometimes he's doing likeinfomercials and talking I'm
going to make you rich.
I'm like what the heck Is.
(37:00):
Like infomercials and talkingI'm gonna make you rich.
Ilia (37:01):
I'm like what the heck is that really?
Elon musk, you can tell it's anit's ai right, but it's his
voice.
Nino (37:03):
These are bad, bad commercial.
Ilia (37:04):
They're really really bad, so fake right.
But who's gonna?
Nino (37:05):
believe that just the fact that they can recreate their
voice is is mind-blowing, rightvoice video yeah, lips moving,
lips moving and it looks real,it's, it's well.
It's still not there, but it'sgonna get better and better as
as it go along, can you?
Ilia (37:20):
imagine if it's there right now, but the thing is
we're evolving with it, right soit's not like we came from a
certain time and just likedropped through a portal into
this ai 10 years from now.
So we're seeing it evolve likewe're gonna be able to counter
the the things with fear.
Yeah, right now we don't knowthat's the solution to or what.
(37:42):
What kind of measures will beput in place.
Nino (37:44):
But yeah, we have a few questions are kind of touching
on that right, yeah, so when itcomes to producing too, if you
have like, um, like, if you havea like a wedding with old
recordings and stuff, um, ai canbring the recordings back to
life too as well.
I think we touched on thisearlier, but it can.
It can literally bring it likethe clarity and the, the, the,
(38:08):
what is it?
The voice, the tonality back.
The voice, the tonality back.
Ilia (38:14):
I actually have a software that I'm using that cleans the
sound of a recording.
So let's say you're in anauditorium and the professor is
talking Maybe you're a privateinvestigator Isolates, yeah, and
you need to hear someone'svoice.
Yes, now there's an actual PIsoftware out there that's meant
(38:34):
for that.
That's way more in depth, butfor other purposes.
The software I'm using isincredible.
I don't know how it figures outwhich part I actually want to
isolate.
I mean, I guess it makes sensefor it.
Frequency, like certainfrequencies, for sure.
It's incredible how muchcleaner everything is, things
that you could never hear in therecording.
(38:56):
Yes, whispers, yes, and for themost part it does.
It does a pretty good job yeahit's incredible and that's just
a very cheap software right now,um, and it's just incredible,
like, how well it does it.
Yeah, the clean and everycleaning of everything, even
video ai editing.
It knows how to edit your ownvideo for you.
(39:18):
No, yeah, it does.
I never used it, uh, in like alarge capacity yet, like I never
really like edited a full videowith it.
Yeah, but I saw how it worksand tried small videos.
It's absolutely incredible,absolutely incredible.
So, on the other hand, what arethe potential drawbacks or
challenges, um of uh likeassociated with integration of
(39:42):
ai and djing in your opinion?
drawbacks I guess we spoke aboutit already um, but the fact
that people djs might not haveas much work, but I don't think
that's gonna happen no, not fora long time, I think and it's
gonna be the same group that'snot hiring us right now anyway,
(40:02):
because they want to save money,and, oh well, I can just put it
on the spotify playlist orsomething like that yeah
especially with the new uhfeature spotify has now and you
know how it like allows you toseamlessly transition between
tracks.
It has that cool fade in fadeout and music selection.
Nino (40:19):
it can pick the right tracks for you in the right
order, and stuff like that.
Ilia (40:22):
But there's no entertainer , there's no somebody who livens
up the crowd.
Nino (40:27):
That human touch right that computers don't have right
now.
So that's still pretty far, faroff in our opinion.
So how do you see AI shapingthe future of DJing and live
performances?
I think this goes like for liveperformances the music we can
(40:52):
always it's going to help us,like, pick songs on the fly
actually let me.
Ilia (40:57):
Let me ask you that because you're asking yourself a
question then you're answeringyeah, that's fine, all right.
Three, two, one, okay.
So how do you see ai shapingthe future of djing and live
performances?
Nino (41:09):
so music and track selection, mood holograms, uh,
you know the stuff we actuallywere talking about, uh, like
less than half an hour ago yeah,so, so with in terms of music,
it will help you, like pick thecertain songs in a certain order
in in uh mood as well.
So it, depending uh on the feelof the actual room, it'll pick
(41:31):
all that stuff out for you.
It just makes everything somuch seamless and easier and
makes your life as a dj likejust just way better and it just
enhances it.
Ilia (41:41):
It's especially good for beginners because it helps them
literally a lot of the stuff istheoretical, though, right, a
lot of these things that we'retalking about are just hey, this
is what is going to happen.
We don't know how much it'sgoing to cost.
Probably only the only peoplewho will have access to it, who
will have access to it in thebeginning, will be large
(42:03):
corporations or large businesses.
Nino (42:06):
It's not going to be available to the regular
consumer, not yet, and it'sgoing to be very expensive too
when it first comes out.
Exactly so.
Ilia (42:13):
I don't think there's much to worry about.
I think it's actually going toimprove the way clubs work and
everything like that.
I don't think it's going tocompletely take away the job of
a DJ.
I think it's going to actuallyassist the DJ.
That's just what I think assomebody who's been only doing
this for a couple of years.
Nino (42:30):
I think clubs and bars are the first ones who are going to
jump on on ai, especially whenyou start reading crowds and
stuff.
Right, wedding djs, mobile djsit's a different, um, different
animal.
We still have to carry and lugequipment and we still have to
mc and that personal touch,right.
So we're good, we're safe fornow, but with when it comes to
(42:54):
just playing bars and stuff,instead of playing like they can
play a spotify playlist, right,but when it comes to music
selection, like I've I'veactually seen a bar that just
plays music, like with spotify,and people are dancing with, uh,
with the actual music and it'smixing too as well.
(43:14):
Yeah, so it's.
It was, it was cool to actuallywatch it's very basic mixing.
It's still basic, but it chosethe right songs for the, for the
actual yeah.
Ilia (43:24):
So it's incredible, it's cool I think one of the main
things we're gonna see when itcomes to, uh, ai being
integrated on such a level.
Again, a lot of this istheoretical things.
We've probably been talkingabout rumors and assumptions,
speculations, whatever.
Right.
Is this going to be the battleof AI?
Who has the best AI, who hasthe best module, who has the
(43:46):
best software and, you know,hardware, or this club or that
club?
Yes, maybe there's going to besome sort of legislation about,
like, who can use what?
Yeah, right, everything.
Every time there's a big pieceof like technology comes, it
comes out, there's legislationaround it to kind of keep the
standards and and make surethere's no chaos, right, yeah,
(44:07):
yeah, and who do you think isgoing to have access to it?
First, the government, military?
Oh, of course.
Of course, I'm sure they're notgoing to be using it for dj
gigs, but yeah in terms of likehologram, I think.
Nino (44:18):
I think, when it comes to like emceeing and stuff, you
know how sometimes celebritiescan't make it to certain, uh,
parties or events.
They're gonna use a hologram toto get them to host and and do
stuff.
And so do you actually do thisalready?
Yeah, in certain, certainparties and stuff.
Ilia (44:37):
Coachella was, uh was doing holograms.
Yeah, he did yeah for kanye.
Nino (44:42):
I think, yeah, I think they did.
Ilia (44:43):
I was like wow so and and maybe, maybe, maybe it's like
you know, it's from aperspective of somebody who's
just being introduced to AI andmaybe, like the kids in 20 years
(45:05):
from now, will look at what I'msaying right now and say, oh,
he just doesn't get it.
But I don't think I would wantto go and watch a hologram.
Yeah, I don't think I would wantto go and watch a hologram
instead of the actual person Icame to see.
What about meet and greet,right Like, now you can't even
do that.
Are you going to tell me I'mgoing to sit in front of a
hologram and talk to thehologram and kind of like, try
(45:28):
to put my arm around thehologram and take a photo
Exactly Still missing thatelement, anyway, hologram, and
take a photo exactly stillmissing that um element?
Anyway, a lot of it is uhpointless to talk about.
Uh, lots of speculations.
It's just like it's just a funtopic to kind of dissect.
Um, and I guess we again thisis something we also spoke about
uh, but let's, let's delve intoit a bit more.
(45:49):
But can ai completely replacehuman djs or will there always
be a need for human creativityand intuition in music curation
and mixing?
Uh and like, like we said, Ithink there will always be that
need.
There will, at least for thenext couple decades.
Yeah, at least for the nextdecade.
I don't know, maybe in 20 yearsfrom now things will change.
(46:12):
20 years from now things willchange.
Nino (46:13):
It might get really really good Like yeah, you never know,
it's scary to think about that.
It is scary, but I think we'resafe for a couple of decades.
I can still be a DJ, you canstill be.
Ilia (46:25):
I can still be a DJ, I can still enjoy this business as it
was intended to be over thelast, what?
15, 20 years?
Yeah, it's uh.
Could you maybe right now, if Iput you on the spot, could you
remember, uh, something as bigas AI changing since when you
(46:51):
started DJing up until today,off the top of your head?
Maybe later, after the podcast,you'll be like, oh shoot, I
should have said that, but doyou remember anything being that
big?
Nino (47:04):
oh, the internet.
Okay, that's actually prettybig.
The internet back back in theday, yeah, dial-up internet, now
it's just like full-blown 5Gnow.
Yeah, it's just amazing to seethe technology how it evolves.
Ilia (47:24):
Hotspots.
If there's no Wi-Fi, yeah Right.
You literally carry a routerwith you pretty much anywhere
you go.
Nino (47:29):
Yeah, so it's incredible.
It's incredible to see all thisinnovation you go yeah.
Ilia (47:34):
So it's incredible.
It's incredible to see all thisand it's this innovation.
When was the um, uh, the wholetransition from analog to
digital?
When was that?
That was way before your time,probably.
Oh yeah, oh yeah, for sure.
What year was that?
Oh, I can't see, but that wasat least at least no more than
five years before.
Way more five, five years.
Yeah, your, that was not one ofthe first controllers, right?
No?
Nino (47:54):
no, even though it looks ancient, many more than that I
can't say Like early 2000sprobably.
Ilia (48:03):
And I can only imagine that the biggest concerns back
then, when internet became sucha standard in every household
and everything, is that, oh,people are going to be able to
get the songs themselves.
Oh, now, the records don'tmatter, you can get it wherever
you want.
Or with the pirate king backthen, limer yeah, so many other
(48:26):
softwares like that were justlike enabling you to get
everything illegally.
So so I mean, we got over thatpretty well, and while people
are still, you know, doingthings they're not supposed to
be doing, the industry is stillokay, it's still flourishing.
Yeah, ai is going to be reallylike.
It's a huge change.
I don't think there was everanything like this.
Nino (48:47):
No, no Right, but this is the next evolutionary step.
Ilia (48:51):
It's going to be interesting kind of living
through this milestone,technology milestone.
So, wow, this was a really funepisode to plan and record.
Lots of things we discussedhere were they required quite a
bit of research and we justwanted to kind of touch the
(49:15):
surface on some topics becausewe really really wanted to speak
about ai already really reallybad.
Yes, it's been like half a yearand we're like you know what,
let's do some research and thenevery time it changes.
Yeah, but it was fun, I enjoyedit.
Nino (49:28):
We're definitely gonna do like a more in-depth episode and
by that time there'll be morechanges for sure so something we
said which was incorrect, we'regonna, we're gonna correct
ourselves.
Ilia (49:38):
That's part of the reason why we have all these other uh
resources the, the website, youknow, stuff where we can
actually update you guys inbetween episodes.
And yeah, so, once again, weare so happy to officially
announce our uh youtube and uhtiktok channels.
I love that button, I love thatbutton.
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It's been half a year, so I'mhappy.
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But, for real, we're very happyto officially announce our
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Blog posts, social media posts,which will be integrated with
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And this is along all thepodcast features we listed in
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So you know, the interviews,the giveaways, the contests,
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So, yeah, a lot of it wouldn'tbe possible without your support
.
So a couple hundred listeners,that's amazing, and we keep
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(51:28):
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So, yeah, thank you so much.
Thank yeah, thank you so much.
Thank you, thank you, guys.
We'll see you in the next one.
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See you in the next episode.
how's it going, everyone?
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Uh, so, as you've heard before,um, we mentioned we are on
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So we're happy to say thattoday is the month that we are
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for each podcast episode, alongwith additional content between
episodes.
Uh, additionally, uh, we wouldlike to remind you that, aside
from our banter style DJ podcast, we are going to also include
contests as well as giveawaysand live podcast episodes.
Yes, the live stuff is comingas well where you can uh
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interact with us and uh call inor send messages during the
podcast.
Um, we are also going to haveQ&A sessions as well as
interviews with influentialguests in the industry, as well
as industries which arecorrelated to DJing.
Right, it's not only aboutDJing, but everyone we work with
, and it influences us in oneway or another, and that's
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starting up.
In the next few months.
We're still working on it, butthat's coming up very, very soon
.
A lot of this was planned tostart months ago, but we wanted
to make sure that we do itcorrectly, so we delayed it a
little bit and we're happy toannounce it today, as everything
is already in motion.
Lastly, we just want to give ahuge shout out.
(05:03):
You know what I'll do it again.
We want to give a huge shoutout to all of you who stuck with
us ever since the first episodeback in January.
Back in January this year, wereally haven't been doing any
promoting and you all found us,yeah, but we still have
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listeners.
Nino (05:24):
So somehow you guys found us?
Yeah, but we still havelisteners.
Yeah, you all, for somehow youguys found us.
Ilia (05:28):
Yeah, you all found us in one way or another, and um,
we're happy to say that we havehundreds of listeners already,
uh, across the world.
Different platforms um,different styles, different
methods of listening to us aswell.
Just just uh, of listening to usas well.
Just, just, uh, audio, yeah,just audio for now.
(05:49):
We had a few episodes uploaded.
You know, we were testing outyoutube, youtube shorts, tiktok
and we got a bunch of viewsright away.
Um, some likes, some peoplefollowed us, but we've been
taking it down, we've beentrying different things, but, uh
, what I'm trying to say is thatthe community is growing and
this is one of the reasons wecan finally start treating you
with some awesome prizes, likegiveaways and fun contests.
(06:11):
Right, I mean, you guys makethis podcast what it is, because
all of this, all of thisinformation, I mean, yeah,
somebody has to consume it.
Right, and um, we believe thisis the best time to start this
because, while many podcasts andyoutube channels don't start
giveaways until they're likethousands and thousands of
(06:32):
listeners and viewers, we wouldlike to treat you uh early as a
thank you.
So there's a much higher chanceto win the, the, the prizes,
the giveaways, because there'sfew of you for now, quite a few
already, but still, incomparison to other YouTube
channels and podcasts, there's amuch higher chance to win and
(06:54):
to just participate in a fun way, considering how early we're
starting this.
Amongst the giveaways, we willhave items as cheap as USB
drives, maybe t-shirts and stufflike that, and small hard
drives all the way to differentkinds of cables and hardware,
headphones, as well as speakersand controllers and many other
(07:16):
items used in the dj world.
Yeah, dj electronics, anythingdj related yeah, have some
anything that that you guys willappreciate.
Um, so, once again, a big thankyou, uh to every listener and
viewer out there who tunes in uhto our podcast.
Um, it means the world to usand we truly love doing this,
(07:39):
and we can continue doing itThanks to you.
Thank you, um, for today'sepisode.
We are going to discussartificial intelligence.
Oh my God, that's a big one man, finally.
Nino (07:52):
We've been wanting to do this episode for a while now,
but yeah, we've been pausing itand holding it back just because
it's a really big one.
Ilia (08:00):
Yeah.
So it's a topic which we meantto discuss back, uh, on our
first couple of episodes, andit's a huge topic, just like
nino just said, and we neverreally got around to to it.
So we decided, you know what,let's split it into two episodes
, maybe three episodes, yeah,because there's so much to talk
about.
So today we'll just be, we'lljust be a general scratching the
(08:22):
surface, pretty much um on itand um we'll be.
We'll bring you a much morein-depth, uh, a much more
in-depth episode about it in thenear future, as this is a
rapidly evolving topic and everytime we were ready to talk
about it, there was somethingelse that came out, yeah right,
so you know, you wrote so muchhere.
Nino (08:44):
Whatever?
Ilia (08:45):
I feel like I'm in a high school presentation or something
like that, but there's just somuch we want to really bring you
a proper episode.
Nino (08:55):
So in general, like AI has changed the world in general,
right?
So what do you think is thejobs that are affected with AI?
Ilia (09:07):
So just to provide kind of an overview about AI and the
current applications in themusic industry.
So artificial intelligence hasbeen rapidly transforming the
music industry.
It's impacting both musiccreation and the listening
experience, and just a fewtopics would be music production
(09:32):
If you are part of communitiesonline where you can find music
or upload your own music, youcan find that a lot of music out
there is not really created byhuman beings anymore.
People are using ai modules tocreate it, so it can assist
musicians in composing new music, generating fresh ideas and
just creating entire piecesbased on specific styles or
(09:55):
genres.
Um, and music recommendationand spotify is part of that too
spotify is very, very big with.
Nino (10:03):
That Helps you curate playlists for the listeners and,
yeah, it just gets in the mindof the listener and just curate
stuff that they've beenlistening to, past songs and
recommendations on new stuffthey might like right, kind of
like how did you know I wasgoing to listen to that right?
Ilia (10:22):
It's incredible.
So streaming services leverageAI algorithms to analyze our
listening habits and recommend,like, personalized music
selections um, something that ishas been done differently in
the past um content restoration.
So that's something that, likeI I even use certain apps right
now for the podcast or as a DJ,and it helps me restore old or
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damaged recordings, isolatevocals, stems.
Nino (10:58):
Like recordings, like old Beatles and stuff.
Right, like old recordings.
It'll actually make it up todate.
Ilia (11:03):
Like remaster it Pretty much, yeah, and stems as part of
it as well.
Uh, enhance the audio quality,like you said.
Um, and just this is the thecoolest and scariest one
personalized experience.
So ai can tailor music to anindividual's mood preferences or
even biometric data.
(11:24):
It's crazy, creating a fullycustomized listening experience
and, um, that's just somethingthat made us wonder what is in
the future for us in terms of AI.
Nino (11:37):
Um well, when the first time I brought it, we brought up
AI and I brought it up to you.
What was your?
What did you think?
So, because you just kind ofstarted DJing too.
Ilia (11:50):
I think you messaged me, you sent me some information
online what was it?
Youtube or something and yousaid oh, it was some article,
like like, we started talkingabout the fact that AI will be
integrated into certain hardwareyou know, software and hardware
where it's going to be able toscan the crowd and their
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heartbeat, heartbeat, the noisethat they're making, the
dopamine levels, the movement,because there'll be cameras and
stuff.
Nino (12:21):
So it's going to analyze people, their body like body,
like temperature and stuff.
So it's gonna analyze people,their, their body like body,
like temperature and stuff likethat.
Ilia (12:26):
So and it's gonna be able to read the crowd in a way that
a human being cannot sure likesure it's also.
It also goes vice versa.
I mean, a human being can dothings that ai can't, but just
give it some time.
Um, and, and you know, was likebuddy, you gotta get on this,
because soon, soon, you're gonnahave a job.
(12:51):
Yeah, it's gonna take over,right you're like, oh, I've
already done this for likearound 20 years.
I'm good, I've had my fun, Ihave a very well established
business.
But like you're just startingout, you you may as well get on
the train and, you know, developyour business before it's too
late.
How did you feel?
A part of me didn't believe youand I still, obviously, and
based on, like, the recent data,you can tell that, um, you know
(13:14):
, it's not, it's not there yetthat accurate that this is even
going to happen.
Um, as we're, as we're alsoadapting to it right in, in ways
that we're working with itinstead of it working against us
.
But in many ways, even thingsthat are not really AI, even
things that are as simple asself-checkout at a supermarket,
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that has nothing to do with AIbut it's kind of automated as a
system and that took so manyjobs away from people.
But then look what happenedthey're closing a bunch of them
Because there's theft, there'sthis.
So at the end of the day, youcan't always rely on computers.
So I said, you know what?
There'll be the demographicthat's going to go for that
(13:58):
Pretty much the people who justuse a.
Nino (14:01):
And the thing is with computers you have to think
there's, there's always going tobe, a human controlling the
computer until it's until it'sthe other way around.
Ilia (14:10):
That's scary.
So a few months ago I read, uh,an article.
I'm trying to remember where Iread it.
It was, it was.
Nino (14:17):
It was a pretty like bro, you watch, you watch the
terminator.
Ilia (14:22):
yeah, a lot of stuff is happening that was in the movies
10, 20, 30 years ago, yeah, bro.
But I read an article thatstated I'm trying to remember
where it was, but it was alegitimate source and I believe
if you'll search it online,you'll find it.
You'll probably find a lot morethan just that article now but
it said AI will reachsingularity.
By when did I say that?
(14:42):
Oh man, 20, it was very soon.
It was like 2025 or somethinglike that.
Um, what that's like?
No wait, it wasn't.
It wasn't, it was.
It wasn't that soon.
I need to find it.
I shouldn't be saying stuffwithout without fully
remembering it, but it was a fewyears.
It was like 2026, 2027.
But the thing is, the reasonwhy I don't remember is because
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there was several other articlesthat kept on going closer to
our current year, because nowwith um, even chat, gpt, when I
was at 4-0 or something likethat, the new version and 5 is
going to come out.
Nino (15:14):
So how many?
How many versions are there now?
Ilia (15:16):
chat gpt well, I know that , though I I'm not going to
speak about it in terms ofversions because I don't know in
specifics, but I know four hasbeen out for a while and then
four oh, it's like the update.
And then I believe some samaltman said that it's going to
be so much crazier, which inmany ways it wasn't what what he
said it was going to be.
But they're coming up withanother update.
So all I'm saying is so.
(15:38):
All I'm saying is that ai is avery rapidly evolving industry
and a lot of the news you hearas a fact or a very, I guess,
logical theory can and probablywill change to something
(15:59):
completely different in the nextfew months or a couple of years
.
So I actually ended up findingthe article.
I really hope it is alegitimate source.
It looked like it was to me.
It's on popularmechanicscom.
It was published November 9th2023.
And it says that a scientistsays that the singularity will
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happen by 2031.
The reason why I was thinkingit was earlier is because I
found several other articlesthat are saying it's going to be
actually earlier than that andwas referring to this article
and other articles.
The whole profile of thatscientist is on that article.
(16:40):
I'm going to post it.
We're going to post it, butit's pretty much a singularity
is the moment where ai is nolonger under human control and
is less than a decade away.
Nino (16:50):
So this is pretty much what they're saying that's the
end of the human race, and thenwhen robots will take over.
And that's when you saidterminator.
Exactly so, exactly so.
Actually there's.
There's four versions of chatgpt right now, but there's more
coming out for sure 3.5, 4, 4,turbo or something like that,
and 4.0.
Ilia (17:10):
4.0, yeah, something like that.
Apparently, according to SamAltman, I read an article where
it said that the next chat GPTis going to be just on steroids.
It's going to be insane andsome people were disappointed
with 4.0, but I believe and I'mnot an expert on AI or chat GPT,
but I've been, you know, tryingto keep uh tabs on it I believe
(17:34):
huge changes are coming, ofcourse, very, very soon.
Um, I, uh, I just I read uhabout the few updates since 4.0
and it's just exciting, but atthe same time, it's freaking
scary.
Nino (17:48):
It's very, very exciting for for everybody.
Right, it's, it's, it's, butit's something that we need to
use, right?
So, cause we're developingSomething that you definitely
have to adapt to Adapt to.
Ilia (17:59):
So, uh, just a few uh software pieces of software out
there that use AI models ormodules.
One of them actually does notuse it.
I think that's Lexicon DJ, sowe'll start from that one.
From what I understand, itdoesn't Lexicon DJ itself does
not currently use AI for DJingtasks like beat matching or song
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recommendation.
For DJing tasks like beatmatching or song recommendation,
however, there have beendiscussions about potentially
integrating AI features in thefuture, such as syncing with
AI-powered DJ software.
I actually went on Reddit and Iasked I was actually curious
what somebody could say and theytagged either the developer or
the person in charge.
So, let's see what he says.
I'll update you guys later.
(18:43):
All right, so Lexicon DJ whatis that software?
So Lexicon is asubscription-based service for
mirroring your libraries andediting them across various
platforms.
So Rekordbox, serato, virtualDJ, et cetera.
Right, if you want to putsomething on a USB drive and
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bring it with you, instead ofgoing through that whole process
of organizing Serato playlistsand converting them for you to
be able to use it on a CDJ setup.
I don't use CDJs yet, but Iknow that there's a whole
conversion setup version setup.
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So it's really cool because youcan import your music library to
edit your tracks and librarywithin Lexicon DJ and then sync
it back to the desired software.
So once your library is importedinto Lexicon, you can head to
the main track browser where youcan see and listen to all of
your imported tracks insideLexicon DJ and you then have a
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view of the library and a spotto drop the tracks, to listen to
each of them, while setting andremoving cue points or hot cues
and editing the beat grid.
If you right click on the track,there are many things you can
do with it, such as generate cuepoints, discover new tracks,
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find tags and album art, writetext to file and find mixable
tracks.
You can also add extra columnslike key, bpm, energy color
plays, comment, energy colorplays, comment, year and many
more, and organize it by eachcategory.
And when you first import yourmessy library into lexicon dj,
(20:32):
it has two great features whichwill help you get set up right
right away, and they're calledsmart fixes and genre genre
cleanup.
So there's just so much more tosay uh about this incredible
software.
But we're just so much more tosay uh about this incredible
software, but we're justtouching on it to generally,
just just generally this episode.
Nino (20:50):
It doesn't use AI yet, but in the future probably will.
Ilia (20:53):
Yes and um.
It's amazing, it's a quoteunquote competitor.
Um is is crate hackers.
Now crate hackers um doesleverage ai.
It's not fully an ai software.
It does leverage ai in someaspects of their music discovery
and recommend recommendationfeatures.
(21:15):
Uh, and a breakdown of how theyuse ai.
Is curated playlists.
Um so, like crate hackers,analyzes data on popular songs
and dj preferences to createthose genre specific playlists.
Nino (21:28):
You've used that for picking songs on the fly.
Ilia (21:32):
Yeah, I have my own personal experience with
CreateHackers and the AICreateBuilder.
They have that feature as well.
It uses AI to recommend songsthat would mix well with a track
you provide exactly and that'sthe one that I'm talking to you
about a lot and the songrecommendations.
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When you search for a song,crate hacker suggests similar
tracks that might be a good fitfor your set, which was part of
that exactly same setup.
Um, I personally experiencedlots of bugs and weird crashes
with crate hackers.
I still paid for the whole yearbecause I believe it's an
(22:13):
incredible software.
It's potential right Insane,potential Insane and as a
beginner DJ, especially when itjust started For sure it helps
organize your crates and givesyou ideas for music.
And they have so much more.
Nino (22:32):
They have um curated playlists yeah, for weddings,
for prom and specific what typeof weddings.
I can see that being very, verylike helpful for new djs for
sure.
Yeah, like how?
Ilia (22:39):
how do you think this would have affected you all all
those years ago?
If I started off with that,yeah, I'd probably use create
hackers as well do you think itwould have made you, let's say,
let's say, when you started youhad access to that.
That's, that's.
I think that's a really goodquestion.
It would have.
Would you be as great as youare today, or better?
Nino (22:58):
or worse, it would have gave me no, it would give me
like a more of a um, like a headstart to, to getting to know
like songs but you'd be relyingon something that does
everything for you.
That's the thing.
I wouldn't want to rely onsomething like that, so would
you?
Ilia (23:15):
be better or worse?
You think probably worse.
It's kind of like people whouse a calculator, yeah, and
people who just like were forcedto not use a calculator and
just do everything in their headright, right, like yeah, um,
the way, the way you beat matchby ear, the way you exactly just
uh used like way, way older.
Nino (23:34):
Comparing to like that, it's like almost like looking at
the waveforms and trying tomatch it as opposed to beat
matching by ear.
Ilia (23:41):
It's almost the same thing yeah and um, I have a whole
overview here on on what createhackers is for, and it's just.
It's almost the same thing.
Yeah and um, I have a wholeoverview here on on what create
hackers is for, and it's just,it's incredible.
It's great software, incredible.
And I'm not sure if I have allthose issues with create hackers
because my laptop is older, butI also used it on my six
thousand dollar desktop and itstill had quite a few issues.
And again, it's such a complexsoftware there's there's, maybe
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you just didn't know how to useit properly, maybe so, so, so
it's not an official disclaimer,but I did experience some
issues with it, but I'm stillusing it because it's incredible
.
Some online too, like issues aswell that you were having so,
yes, but you know what you gotto support these resources
nowadays because this is allgoing to help us, yeah, and a
(24:25):
gun and also it can also workagainst us.
But you know, you gotta besmart about how you use it right
.
Nino (24:30):
Yeah, that was a while ago .
It could have improved by then,I'm sure it did?
Ilia (24:34):
I'm sure it did.
Uh, I also spoke to um, thedevelopers of another software
we're gonna uh speak about injust a moment, and they were
saying how they're how they'reworking on improving and what
they're going to do, and theykind of released information
that wasn't online.
I don't know why they took thatrisk.
I'm just out of respect to them.
I'm not going to say certainthings uh here, just in case
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it's not released yet.
But, um, yeah, I'm just readingon all the features of create
hackers and it's incredible.
You know what I'm going to.
I'm just reading on all thefeatures of CreateHackers and
it's incredible.
You know what.
I'm going to share this.
I'm going to share this link soyou guys can actually check it
out, but it's very differentfrom Lexicon DJ.
Do you remember how?
I wasn't sure what thedifferences were.
Yeah, lexicon DJ is more tocreate that playlist, that
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organized playlist which you canmove between software playlist.
That organized playlist whichyou can move between software,
um, and crate hackers, is moreintuitive with finding the next
track you should play, or aplaylist you should uh like kind
of, you know, add to your, toyour uh, to your serato or
record box, uh, crates, andagain, it's not giving you the
(25:43):
tracks, it just gives you the,the names, and it finds it
within your library if you haveit, or it shows you where you
can purchase it.
I mean, yes, how incredible isthat it compares different.
Nino (25:52):
Uh, dj pulls I see yeah, different.
Ilia (25:55):
Different dj records, different versions of the song
right sometimes it itrecommended ridiculous,
ridiculous options like, for Iremember it was uh, I was
playing, uh, beat it by michaeljackson, I don't remember what
was, I think.
Oh, I think you couldn't findanything to recommend, right?
(26:16):
I was just curious what it'sgoing to recommend and there was
zero results.
Okay, some of them were reallyawful results, but keep in, this
is AI and it's still indevelopment.
And I'm not speaking againstCrateHackers.
I'm just kind of letting youknow what my experience was and
hey, if I'm wrong aboutsomething or if things change,
(26:37):
we're definitely going to updateyou.
Still, I'm still using it and Irecommend using it.
We're not endorsed by anyonefrom create hackers, lexicon, dj
or um, the next offer, we'regoing to speak about dj studio,
but we we do want to make yourlife easier and so you got that
one too right.
Dj studio yes, I did and, fulldisclaimer, I returned it, uh,
(27:03):
not because it's bad, no, no,because it was not suiting my
needs.
So if you are and that's justone of many things you can do
with it if you are somebody wholikes to create those cool
youtube videos, uh like hourlong, or half an hour long at
least, uh kind of playlists, andyou're, and you're you like to
edit it nicely in your iMovie orwhatever simple software, this
(27:26):
is that software on steroids.
It has way more tools where youcan transition the tracks in a
really cool manner, has so manyAI tools in it, but as a
singularity AI where it doesn'tneed your input, it's nowhere
near there.
Nino (27:42):
You still need to tweak it and put your own input.
Ilia (27:45):
I also try to give it the best, to tweak it and put your
own input.
I honestly tried to give it thebest tracks where it would not
require my input.
It still required it because inthe way it was transitioning,
everything it was just messy.
It made no sense.
The timing, the timing, themany things.
So you, as long as you have thetime to actually set it up
correctly, it will do a lot ofcool things for you.
(28:06):
But as, hey, I want to have asoftware does everything for me
so I don't have to practicebefore the gig, cause it's just
you throw all the tracks inthere and does it for you.
It's not there yet, nowherenear there.
A lot of people speak about itonline on how it can do it for
you.
There is a famous DJ whoreviewed, who reviewed that, um,
that software and made me thinkthat that's what it does.
(28:27):
And I was just curious.
Right, it was again many monthsago when I when I was just
really nervous on my first gigsand I thought, hey, I'll use
this as a crutch if anythinggoes wrong or something, so you
never know it might be betternow it's for sure better now I
spoke to them and it wasincredible what they were
working on.
Again, I'm not gonna get getinto details, but uh, uh, it's.
(28:49):
It's just you have to besupportive of um of these
companies, of these developers,because be realistic, this is
extremely new technology.
As a consumer, it's soconfusing.
Imagine, imagine as somebody isactually creating and building
it right.
(29:09):
And yeah, dj Studio uses an AImodule.
It's an AI-powered DJ mixingapp that offers features like
automatic song recommendations,beat matching and seamless
transitions.
Now, that's what it says online, but I wouldn't say it's
seamless.
But yeah, it definitely offersa lot of different features for
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the AI DJ out there, somebodywho wants to use some sort of
software to help them makethings more interesting or just
help them out with this processof learning how to become a DJ.
So everything is pointing to AItaking over not just the DJ
industry, but pretty much anyother industry.
(29:57):
But I think we can learn tolive with it.
Yeah, yeah, I think we can besmart and learn to live with it.
I think we have time.
Smart and learn to live.
Nino (30:05):
Learn to live with it I think we have time before it
takes to take over.
Totally remember um.
Have you seen back to thefuture?
Yes, many, many years ago.
Do you?
Do you remember that?
Um, that time, when the carsare supposed to be flying, it
was supposed to be two to two,2021, I think, or 2022 that was
the year.
I don't remember that year andit's pretty much, and and it's
(30:29):
pretty much, yeah, it's, it'slook at, look at it pull the
simpsons, and they knew what wasgonna happen.
Ilia (30:34):
We're not even close, so we know they're already, uh,
flying cars, like models like ofcars that are flying I not like
you, you know 100 feet in thesky, but it's you know.
It's like there were a fewarticles I already read about
somewhere in Asia they're tryingto, yeah, they have like
(30:55):
prototypes For sure, for sure.
I'm sure they've had prototypesfor a while, right, but yeah,
so I guess the norm is probablygoing to be at least that's
going to take a while still,yeah, and then.
Nino (31:08):
And then it's the airways how, how they're going to
develop like, how the way whereit's going to go?
And then, of course, trafficcontrol.
Traffic control, people.
Things are going to fall down.
What if there's an accident inthe air and then debris falls
down on us?
It's going to kill someone,literally drop on someone's head
right.
Ilia (31:26):
Can you imagine, like all the infrastructure, everything
they'll have to build?
So it's, it's not even atechnology that's so far away,
it's how to deal with it.
It's the roads they'll have tobuild, or, like the, the, the
air space they'll have todesignate.
Nino (31:44):
It's all the rules, all the legislation that that's take
, that will take a long time,yeah, and then the laws around
that too is going to be crazy.
Yeah so, man, yeah so we'regonna.
Um, so we're gonna keep goingwith some with some questions
now yes.
Ilia (32:00):
so what are some potential ?
What are some potentialbenefits of AI for DJs and music
producers?
Well, of course, I want to hearyour point.
Nino (32:10):
The benefits for DJs obviously is stem separation now
.
Now you can actually separateeach part of the song, like the
drums, the bass, melody, melodyand the music.
So it makes it very seamless ifyou're trying to mix songs
(32:31):
right, and that's what eqing wewent.
When we used to dj, eqing wasvery, very big because you want
everything to sound really,really nice.
You don't.
People say that eqing now isdead because of stem separation,
and that's amazing.
That's like what we dreamed ofas DJs that this technology has
(32:52):
taken it to the next level.
Ilia (32:54):
So what about acapellas?
Are they?
Nino (32:57):
still necessary Technically?
No, you can just make them onthe spot now.
Ilia (33:00):
Right, I mean stems are not where they should be still.
Nino (33:05):
Exactly.
It's not really there yet, butit's getting better.
Right, it's, it's.
It's almost there, it's almostthere and it's just gonna get
better and better as as as theyears go by.
Record box get on it, yeah,record, yeah.
Ilia (33:20):
Virtual dj and serato are virtual dj did it first right or
one of the first.
They were one of the first onesto do it, and I think theirs is
actually even better thanserato, am I?
I right?
Nino (33:31):
I think Serato is caught up.
And that's the thing, man,serato.
It took them a while to come,to get into the industry, but
they came out with a bang.
Ilia (33:41):
I really want to get the FLX10, and because it's
Rekordbox, I think it works withSerato too.
But most of the features workwith Rekordbox it does.
It was intended to be used withrecord box, right?
Yeah, because of the stemissues with record box, I'm not.
(34:02):
I'm not getting that controller.
That's the only reason why I'mnot getting it.
And you know what, if anyoneout there disagrees with me,
please let me know why youshould get it anyway.
But it's been a couple yearsnow and there's no end in sight
in terms of the uh um,ridiculousness of all the issues
with the stems.
Nino (34:18):
I think that's the one with the volume control and the
control.
You can control each stem.
Ilia (34:25):
That one has literally the hardware for it.
Yes, and the thing is,rekordbox 7 is out and they did
some incredible things, but theycompletely did not touch on
anything to do with stems.
From what I understand, fromwhat I've seen, um, and I
remember somebody said, somebodysaid on reddit they wish, they
wish, and I'm kind of with themwith that.
It's not a very smart, smartbusiness, uh move.
(34:47):
But uh, he says, uh, he wishesthat there was like a, uh, he
wishes that there was like akind of like an open source, um,
ai or a stem stem module, yeah,that all the companies can
share, yeah, and improve upon.
But that's kind of not very,very viable yeah, it's not
(35:08):
really good business model.
Nino (35:10):
Yeah, for real, for real so for for producers now, um,
it's it.
It just enhances everything too, like the producers can
actually use stems as well tofor acapellas and stuff.
But you can enhance, uh,certain um sounds with with ai
it can.
It can replicate, like artistslike different, like artists
(35:34):
like, just as long as as they'reonline, an artist like speaks,
it can replicate it exactly andthey use it for songs.
Now I'm like they created.
Ilia (35:45):
Who was the?
The artist?
Who, uh, who was the?
It was a dj thing.
Who, yes, yes, who created itwas a dj thing.
Nino (35:58):
Who, yes, yes, who created um a track with eminem on it,
which eminem did not actually?
No, he didn't, but they usedhis voice.
Yeah, that's mind-blowing right, and you can literally use
anybody's voice just as long asyou have access to their voice,
so you kind of like it has to beintegrated into, into a certain
kind of um system.
Ilia (36:14):
A friend of mine actually showed me how to use it.
You can't use everyone's voice.
It has to be kind of loadedinto some sort of api or
something.
But uh, I believe I'm using theright word, but pretty much
everyone's available.
You can manipulate it.
Nino (36:29):
Biggie smalls was on there .
Yeah, man, man, it's crazy howthey can do that man and it
sounds very, very real.
Ilia (36:35):
Some of them are still.
You can tell that's AI.
Nino (36:38):
Yeah, yeah, it's not processed well, sometimes like
who's the founder of Tesla?
Again Elon Musk.
Elon Musk, right?
Sometimes he's doing likeinfomercials and talking I'm
going to make you rich.
I'm like what the heck Is.
(37:00):
Like infomercials and talkingI'm gonna make you rich.
Ilia (37:01):
I'm like what the heck is that really?
Elon musk, you can tell it's anit's ai right, but it's his
voice.
Nino (37:03):
These are bad, bad commercial.
Ilia (37:04):
They're really really bad, so fake right.
But who's gonna?
Nino (37:05):
believe that just the fact that they can recreate their
voice is is mind-blowing, rightvoice video yeah, lips moving,
lips moving and it looks real,it's, it's well.
It's still not there, but it'sgonna get better and better as
as it go along, can you?
Ilia (37:20):
imagine if it's there right now, but the thing is
we're evolving with it, right soit's not like we came from a
certain time and just likedropped through a portal into
this ai 10 years from now.
So we're seeing it evolve likewe're gonna be able to counter
the the things with fear.
Yeah, right now we don't knowthat's the solution to or what.
(37:42):
What kind of measures will beput in place.
Nino (37:44):
But yeah, we have a few questions are kind of touching
on that right, yeah, so when itcomes to producing too, if you
have like, um, like, if you havea like a wedding with old
recordings and stuff, um, ai canbring the recordings back to
life too as well.
I think we touched on thisearlier, but it can.
It can literally bring it likethe clarity and the, the, the,
(38:08):
what is it?
The voice, the tonality back.
The voice, the tonality back.
Ilia (38:14):
I actually have a software that I'm using that cleans the
sound of a recording.
So let's say you're in anauditorium and the professor is
talking Maybe you're a privateinvestigator Isolates, yeah, and
you need to hear someone'svoice.
Yes, now there's an actual PIsoftware out there that's meant
(38:34):
for that.
That's way more in depth, butfor other purposes.
The software I'm using isincredible.
I don't know how it figures outwhich part I actually want to
isolate.
I mean, I guess it makes sensefor it.
Frequency, like certainfrequencies, for sure.
It's incredible how muchcleaner everything is, things
that you could never hear in therecording.
(38:56):
Yes, whispers, yes, and for themost part it does.
It does a pretty good job yeahit's incredible and that's just
a very cheap software right now,um, and it's just incredible,
like, how well it does it.
Yeah, the clean and everycleaning of everything, even
video ai editing.
It knows how to edit your ownvideo for you.
(39:18):
No, yeah, it does.
I never used it, uh, in like alarge capacity yet, like I never
really like edited a full videowith it.
Yeah, but I saw how it worksand tried small videos.
It's absolutely incredible,absolutely incredible.
So, on the other hand, what arethe potential drawbacks or
challenges, um of uh likeassociated with integration of
(39:42):
ai and djing in your opinion?
drawbacks I guess we spoke aboutit already um, but the fact
that people djs might not haveas much work, but I don't think
that's gonna happen no, not fora long time, I think and it's
gonna be the same group that'snot hiring us right now anyway,
(40:02):
because they want to save money,and, oh well, I can just put it
on the spotify playlist orsomething like that yeah
especially with the new uhfeature spotify has now and you
know how it like allows you toseamlessly transition between
tracks.
It has that cool fade in fadeout and music selection.
Nino (40:19):
it can pick the right tracks for you in the right
order, and stuff like that.
Ilia (40:22):
But there's no entertainer , there's no somebody who livens
up the crowd.
Nino (40:27):
That human touch right that computers don't have right
now.
So that's still pretty far, faroff in our opinion.
So how do you see AI shapingthe future of DJing and live
performances?
I think this goes like for liveperformances the music we can
(40:52):
always it's going to help us,like, pick songs on the fly
actually let me.
Ilia (40:57):
Let me ask you that because you're asking yourself a
question then you're answeringyeah, that's fine, all right.
Three, two, one, okay.
So how do you see ai shapingthe future of djing and live
performances?
Nino (41:09):
so music and track selection, mood holograms, uh,
you know the stuff we actuallywere talking about, uh, like
less than half an hour ago yeah,so, so with in terms of music,
it will help you, like pick thecertain songs in a certain order
in in uh mood as well.
So it, depending uh on the feelof the actual room, it'll pick
(41:31):
all that stuff out for you.
It just makes everything somuch seamless and easier and
makes your life as a dj likejust just way better and it just
enhances it.
Ilia (41:41):
It's especially good for beginners because it helps them
literally a lot of the stuff istheoretical, though, right, a
lot of these things that we'retalking about are just hey, this
is what is going to happen.
We don't know how much it'sgoing to cost.
Probably only the only peoplewho will have access to it, who
will have access to it in thebeginning, will be large
(42:03):
corporations or large businesses.
Nino (42:06):
It's not going to be available to the regular
consumer, not yet, and it'sgoing to be very expensive too
when it first comes out.
Exactly so.
Ilia (42:13):
I don't think there's much to worry about.
I think it's actually going toimprove the way clubs work and
everything like that.
I don't think it's going tocompletely take away the job of
a DJ.
I think it's going to actuallyassist the DJ.
That's just what I think assomebody who's been only doing
this for a couple of years.
Nino (42:30):
I think clubs and bars are the first ones who are going to
jump on on ai, especially whenyou start reading crowds and
stuff.
Right, wedding djs, mobile djsit's a different, um, different
animal.
We still have to carry and lugequipment and we still have to
mc and that personal touch,right.
So we're good, we're safe fornow, but with when it comes to
(42:54):
just playing bars and stuff,instead of playing like they can
play a spotify playlist, right,but when it comes to music
selection, like I've I'veactually seen a bar that just
plays music, like with spotify,and people are dancing with, uh,
with the actual music and it'smixing too as well.
(43:14):
Yeah, so it's.
It was, it was cool to actuallywatch it's very basic mixing.
It's still basic, but it chosethe right songs for the, for the
actual yeah.
Ilia (43:24):
So it's incredible, it's cool I think one of the main
things we're gonna see when itcomes to, uh, ai being
integrated on such a level.
Again, a lot of this istheoretical things.
We've probably been talkingabout rumors and assumptions,
speculations, whatever.
Right.
Is this going to be the battleof AI?
Who has the best AI, who hasthe best module, who has the
(43:46):
best software and, you know,hardware, or this club or that
club?
Yes, maybe there's going to besome sort of legislation about,
like, who can use what?
Yeah, right, everything.
Every time there's a big pieceof like technology comes, it
comes out, there's legislationaround it to kind of keep the
standards and and make surethere's no chaos, right, yeah,
(44:07):
yeah, and who do you think isgoing to have access to it?
First, the government, military?
Oh, of course.
Of course, I'm sure they're notgoing to be using it for dj
gigs, but yeah in terms of likehologram, I think.
Nino (44:18):
I think, when it comes to like emceeing and stuff, you
know how sometimes celebritiescan't make it to certain, uh,
parties or events.
They're gonna use a hologram toto get them to host and and do
stuff.
And so do you actually do thisalready?
Yeah, in certain, certainparties and stuff.
Ilia (44:37):
Coachella was, uh was doing holograms.
Yeah, he did yeah for kanye.
Nino (44:42):
I think, yeah, I think they did.
Ilia (44:43):
I was like wow so and and maybe, maybe, maybe it's like
you know, it's from aperspective of somebody who's
just being introduced to AI andmaybe, like the kids in 20 years
(45:05):
from now, will look at what I'msaying right now and say, oh,
he just doesn't get it.
But I don't think I would wantto go and watch a hologram.
Yeah, I don't think I would wantto go and watch a hologram
instead of the actual person Icame to see.
What about meet and greet,right Like, now you can't even
do that.
Are you going to tell me I'mgoing to sit in front of a
hologram and talk to thehologram and kind of like, try
(45:28):
to put my arm around thehologram and take a photo
Exactly Still missing thatelement, anyway, hologram, and
take a photo exactly stillmissing that um element?
Anyway, a lot of it is uhpointless to talk about.
Uh, lots of speculations.
It's just like it's just a funtopic to kind of dissect.
Um, and I guess we again thisis something we also spoke about
uh, but let's, let's delve intoit a bit more.
(45:49):
But can ai completely replacehuman djs or will there always
be a need for human creativityand intuition in music curation
and mixing?
Uh and like, like we said, Ithink there will always be that
need.
There will, at least for thenext couple decades.
Yeah, at least for the nextdecade.
I don't know, maybe in 20 yearsfrom now things will change.
(46:12):
20 years from now things willchange.
Nino (46:13):
It might get really really good Like yeah, you never know,
it's scary to think about that.
It is scary, but I think we'resafe for a couple of decades.
I can still be a DJ, you canstill be.
Ilia (46:25):
I can still be a DJ, I can still enjoy this business as it
was intended to be over thelast, what?
15, 20 years?
Yeah, it's uh.
Could you maybe right now, if Iput you on the spot, could you
remember, uh, something as bigas AI changing since when you
(46:51):
started DJing up until today,off the top of your head?
Maybe later, after the podcast,you'll be like, oh shoot, I
should have said that, but doyou remember anything being that
big?
Nino (47:04):
oh, the internet.
Okay, that's actually prettybig.
The internet back back in theday, yeah, dial-up internet, now
it's just like full-blown 5Gnow.
Yeah, it's just amazing to seethe technology how it evolves.
Ilia (47:24):
Hotspots.
If there's no Wi-Fi, yeah Right.
You literally carry a routerwith you pretty much anywhere
you go.
Nino (47:29):
Yeah, so it's incredible.
It's incredible to see all thisinnovation you go yeah.
Ilia (47:34):
So it's incredible.
It's incredible to see all thisand it's this innovation.
When was the um, uh, the wholetransition from analog to
digital?
When was that?
That was way before your time,probably.
Oh yeah, oh yeah, for sure.
What year was that?
Oh, I can't see, but that wasat least at least no more than
five years before.
Way more five, five years.
Yeah, your, that was not one ofthe first controllers, right?
No?
Nino (47:54):
no, even though it looks ancient, many more than that I
can't say Like early 2000sprobably.
Ilia (48:03):
And I can only imagine that the biggest concerns back
then, when internet became sucha standard in every household
and everything, is that, oh,people are going to be able to
get the songs themselves.
Oh, now, the records don'tmatter, you can get it wherever
you want.
Or with the pirate king backthen, limer yeah, so many other
(48:26):
softwares like that were justlike enabling you to get
everything illegally.
So so I mean, we got over thatpretty well, and while people
are still, you know, doingthings they're not supposed to
be doing, the industry is stillokay, it's still flourishing.
Yeah, ai is going to be reallylike.
It's a huge change.
I don't think there was everanything like this.
Nino (48:47):
No, no Right, but this is the next evolutionary step.
Ilia (48:51):
It's going to be interesting kind of living
through this milestone,technology milestone.
So, wow, this was a really funepisode to plan and record.
Lots of things we discussedhere were they required quite a
bit of research and we justwanted to kind of touch the
(49:15):
surface on some topics becausewe really really wanted to speak
about ai already really reallybad.
Yes, it's been like half a yearand we're like you know what,
let's do some research and thenevery time it changes.
Yeah, but it was fun, I enjoyedit.
Nino (49:28):
We're definitely gonna do like a more in-depth episode and
by that time there'll be morechanges for sure so something we
said which was incorrect, we'regonna, we're gonna correct
ourselves.
Ilia (49:38):
That's part of the reason why we have all these other uh
resources the, the website, youknow, stuff where we can
actually update you guys inbetween episodes.
And yeah, so, once again, weare so happy to officially
announce our uh youtube and uhtiktok channels.
I love that button, I love thatbutton.
(49:58):
It just you know, I'm just sohappy we can finally do that.
It's been half a year, so I'mhappy.
(50:26):
There we go.
But, for real, we're very happyto officially announce our
YouTube and TikTok channels aswell.
Blog posts, social media posts,which will be integrated with
our podcast to provide you amore dynamic experience, more
interesting approach tofollowing our content and
(50:47):
keeping you in the loop insteadof having to wait for the
episode to kind of find outwhat's going on.
And this is along all thepodcast features we listed in
the beginning of the episodewhich we are now able to release
thanks to your support.
So you know, the interviews,the giveaways, the contests,
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they're all coming very, verysoon.
All of that will be uploaded onour social media and website as
well, and we'll keep remindingyou guys over the audio and
video podcasts.
So, yeah, a lot of it wouldn'tbe possible without your support
.
So a couple hundred listeners,that's amazing, and we keep
growing, so that's.
(51:28):
I'm just very proud of just theprogress of this podcast.
So, yeah, thank you so much.
Thank yeah, thank you so much.
Thank you, thank you, guys.
We'll see you in the next one.
Yes, we're looking forward towhat's coming in our podcast in
the future.
See you in the next episode.
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