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December 5, 2022 41 mins

With a diverse career from full-stack dev to design system product owner working for large and small organisations and spell as a freelancer, Dan has straddled the worlds of design and development for most of his working life. Design systems have been a way of bringing these experiences together along with running teams, communication and collaboration.

In this episode we talk about what a Design System is and how it adds value to a website - not just during the build but as the site grows and scales over time. I ask Dan about who should own and lead on the design system and we talk about some of the challenges around building and implementing a design system.

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Other links from this episode include:

  • Dan Mall - Design Systems Coach 
  • Jhey Tompkins, Web Developer at Google 
  • Converge - The Design Systems Conference 
  • W3C Design Tokens Community Group 
  • Figma 
  • Figma Design Tokens Plugin 
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