The Hidden Occult Roots of Feminism

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This is the Collective Resistance Podcast with your hosts, Leo and Fabiola.
Music.
We will be discussing why we find ourselves resisting the narratives of the
Common Collective, as well as why the Common Collective resists new information.

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Fabiola hey leo how are you doing i'm good well i'm good too feeling a little,
well you've been we're gonna pull this off i don't know this is another one
of those late night ones maybe we'll scrap it if it if it doesn't go good i
feel better about this one you do better yeah yeah i mean we got you using ai

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with this one to help you formula you know
to to coalesce well in the end i didn't really use the ai to collect my thoughts really,
but it wasn't it was helpful to to kind of see it a different a different in
a different layout you were able to kind of just quickly get some information
thrown up there i mean i felt like the ai was just putting a lot of fluff and

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it wasn't really getting to the juicy stuff of the the content.
No, I think that's fair. I mean, it does a lot of repetition and yeah, yeah.
It depends on, like you said, the inputs that you put in versus what you're getting out.
And I think if you hadn't already come to a lot of that information,

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maybe it would have been more helpful, but you'd already read the books that
we're going to talk about today.
So you kind of had a good mental picture of what you wanted to do.
So much research that went into this episode and my brain is already fried and
we haven't even started, but we are talking about...
Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, I think let's just... You should. You should keep the suspense.

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Well, I was just going to say, I mean, you know, in the theme of continuing
to just blow up the world, you know what I mean?
As far as the belief structures that, you know, we thought we had,
you know. Yeah, I mean, let's just go back to, you know, something that happened
this week, you know, the debate.
You know, there's Kamala versus Trump, the oppressor, white men.

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The patriarch. The patriarch versus the, well, she says she is of color, right?
She is. She's Indian, and I think her dad's Jamaican.
Doesn't she identify as a black woman?
She's done both. She identified as an Indian, I think, when she was running
for office in California, and now she's playing up the African-American.

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Actually, I guess she's not even African-American. She's Jamaican-American.
Oh, okay. Jamaican-American. Yeah, yeah. Well, I guess there were a lot of Africans
that went to Jamaica, right, to work the sugar canes. I guess, yeah.
Historically speaking. So I can see that.
But, you know, just looking at this, this is really what the episode is kind

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of about, you know, is the patriarchy versus feminism.
And I had a pretty feministic and socialist upbringing, I want to say, in South America.
I grew up with my family watching soap operas. And the soap operas,

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if you've never seen a Mexican soap opera, you know, Brazilian soap operas are fairly the same.
Right. I want to say the theme is always, okay, there is this poor woman that
has been abused in some areas, you know.
And then she meets the patriarch and the patriarchal guy, and he's usually rich. Womanizer.

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A lot of the times the bad guy is the womanizer that will then forbid the woman
to go to work, earn her own money, will beat her up, will neglect the kids.
There was also a lot of gender stuff or, you know, LGBTQ already infused in there.

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I mean, I'm going to say this, Brazil was ahead of its time.
When it comes to all the things that are happening here right now.
I mean, that was like from a young age, me watching soap operas,
and there was the conflict of, you know, the gay boy that was struggling to
get his family and his community to accept him.

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There was transgenderism with a lady called Roberta Close.
She's been part of, you know, the daily shows. I think at one point she even had a show herself.
And back then it's interesting she used to just kind of identify as she was born with two genitals,
but my mom that's more like androgynous yeah but my

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mom just recently told me that wasn't true it was kind of like a cover-up story
where she was born a male and she wanted to be a female and so anyways this
is new here but it wasn't new there i don't even think so what i found out through
my research looking at the roots of feminism and that's what this episode's
about out is that all this stuff that's coming to forefront here,

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like even the issue of abortion, of choice,
transgenderism, vegetarianism, you know, veganism, all these things were being
talked about since like the French Revolution,
you know, and then the 1800s came, the Industrial Revolution came,
and this is just like recycled, you know, old playbook, you know,

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just the same thing over and over again, being recycled.
But recently I had a friend reach out to me and she's like, you need to look
into this, you know, and this book called Occult Feminism by Rachel Wilson,
and we'll link that in the descriptions of this video.
Looked into this book. It's really interesting. It talks about the occult roots of feminism.

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And then she told me about another book called And a Woman by,
I think, Carrie Grass is her name.
So both of those books, I went through. Leo kind of went through a lot of it with me also.
And they had some really...
Like sketch stuff about the feminist movement and how it came to be and what

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the platform really was.
Yeah. Well, I mean, and I think that probably the biggest thing for me was that,
you know, I learned, I can't remember, you know, precisely what I learned in school.
I mean, I remember suffrage and I remember all of that stuff.
But I can tell you that I did not learn any of the things we learned in those books.
You know, I mean, in fact, I had no idea what a

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cult occult even was back then
that i didn't even learn what a cult was until you know we
were after we were married yeah you know no no talk about and and it and it
really seems like that was a huge part of this and we talked about what was
the the one thing it's not spiritism is it it's the spiritualism you know and
i was like that seemed like a big driving force and they didn't even and bring that up in school.

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And it's like... That would sound too woo-woo, you know, too.
I mean, nobody talks about this history, even the history of the women in feminism,
which we're going to look at some of them being connected to the occult at all.
And, you know, for people that are not religious, which for the longest time we weren't religious,
I mean, at least would merit second look,

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you know, of the things these women were doing to actually get their guidance
and get the women's rights, you know, the documentation.
It was all through the occult and channeling and seances and tarot and all.
I mean. And we know a lot of people don't have issue with that, per se.

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You know, a lot of people do that today. No, you don't. You can't.
It's okay to not have issue with that because for the longest time,
I didn't have any issue with that.
But when you think about history being shaped,
you know, the times in society being shaped by something that was rooted in
the occult, that sounds weird.

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It sounds pretty wild. Yeah. Right? Well, I mean, and then if it was,
if that was an important piece, meaning it is a strong backbone of it,
then why weren't we teaching it? Yeah.
Why were we not telling people, okay, these women who came up and paved the road around this,
they were deep believers in spiritualism and the occult, and they used these

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practices to come to these ideas and forward their philosophies on these subjects.
And so the fact that it wasn't even a footnote is really interesting.
It's like, okay, yes, it was, but we didn't want to say anything,
because honestly— It sounds kooky.
It sounds kooky. It sounds spooky and I would say it would completely.

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Like undermine the whole ideology behind it.
If you knew that the ways that these women came up with all their philosophies
and ideologies was through the occult and a lot of it through,
you know, new age, like Helena Blavatsky was a big, a big personality in that

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field with Matilda Jocelyn Gage, also another,
the two of them, they were friends, but at the same time they competed too.
It's very interesting, the dynamic with this women.
But I wanted to kick off this episode and start talking about the first book that I went through.
That's Rachel Wilson's book. It's called Occult Feminism, and it explores the

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hidden and often controversial controversies between the feminist movement and the occult practices.
And, you know, the roots in theosophy. Theosophies, we talked about it in a few episodes.
One of the episodes was the first one we came out about, you know,
having a change of heart when it comes to Christianity.

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And talked about how Helena Blavatsky brought Eastern mysticism to the United
States and introduced the idea of channeling.
I mean, a lot of these concepts, yoga, meditation, all these ideas that we believe
were pretty benign and we even talked about in the last episode,

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really have very sketchy foundations.
So this book not only explores the occult, new agey, new thought ideas and how they came about.
It also talks about how it ties it with the feminism and the industrial revolution.
Shouldn't. Why did we have Rockefellers, for example, funding this operation?

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Yeah, if this was so against the patriarchy, then why was the patriarchy funding it?
Yeah, I mean, it wasn't just the Rockefellers. What are other...
War Burtons, the Rothschilds, you know, the...
Why did they jump on board to support this feminist women's to basically,
Basically, their motto was to smash the patriarchy.

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I mean, those are all patriarchal societies funding this movement.
Doesn't that sound pretty interesting? So I thought that was definitely weird and sketchy.
She also talks about the suffrage movement, the witches of Salem.
How the suffragettes were basically looking at all their information in tarot and seances.

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So I wanted to start off with just a video just to give you guys a summary of
Rachel's thinking and the foundations of the movement so you can get a better
idea of how she put this book together.
All right, so I'm going to play this first video. Let me share my screen.
They always move the share around let's see here okay that would be right here.

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All right i'm gonna go ahead and play until really recently the reason for that
is that feminism comes out of like a goddess worship mindset that there's a
divine feminine that women's sexual power women's power to both create and destroy
is you know something that should be
worshipped as like a god, like goddesses.

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So I cover in the book many of these goddesses over the years from all different
parts of the world, from all different traditions,
and how even the modern feminists of like the 20th and 21st century use those
goddesses as like their icons.
So Lilith, a lot of the like really radical feminists online love Lilith.

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They'll have her in their profile picture.
There's something called witch talk. It's like a very popular hashtag with something
like a billion views on it, talking about how witchcraft is great because it's empowering.
You know, you worship your divine feminine elements within you.
So this is actually where it comes from. And the reason I wrote the book,

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the reason that I wrote this and who I was really writing it to primarily is
Christian women, Christians altogether,
but especially modern modern Christian women, because in the West,
in the modern times, I feel like a lot of women,
think they can be feminist and Christian at the same time and that those things are compatible.
And I detail in the book how this

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comes out of like social gospel and egalitarianism and things like that,
these big political movements in the 18th and 19th centuries and how the Protestants
being kind of the radical revolutionaries in the religious world at the time
really adopted feminism.
They adopted a lot of enlightenment ideas and how they pushed that to the forefront.

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So that's where feminism comes from. And really what I'm trying to get across
is how it's not compatible with Christianity, which is a patriarchal religion.
And that's not a bad thing. So we should talk a little bit about the history
of why people believe that feminism, you wanted to know about the first, second and third waves.
And most people will say, well, first wave feminism was good because women were

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really oppressed. They were enslaved.
Life was horrible for them. you know, that men could lead first-wave feminism to liberate women.
Now, this is probably the most controversial part of this that I talk about,
which is that first-wave feminism was not only not good, it was perhaps the

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worst. It was perhaps the worst.
It really opened Pandora's box. Yeah.
There's a really fantastic PhD thesis, which is now a huge book you can buy
on Amazon, on by a Swedish professor.
He is a Luciferian himself, but he wrote his whole PhD thesis on how the suffragettes

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and the 1900s feminists, all the ones that we all know,
like Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Susan B.
Anthony, Matilda Joslyn Gage, Emmeline Pankhurst, these giants of early feminism,
they openly said that Lucifer was their liberator.
They openly denied believing in the Gospels or the church, Elizabeth Cady Stanton

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and 37 other feminists wrote something called the Woman's Bible.
Most people have no idea about this. Most Americans do not know this existed.
You can still buy it on Amazon right now as well.
And in the forward, yeah, in the forward to the book, Stanton,
who was supposed to be a Christian, she was supposed to be like an influential

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Christian at the time. Same with Susan B. Anthony.
It was hard to find anybody in America who didn't identify as a Christian,
but a lot of them were Unitarians or they were other various types of like really radical Protestants.
She and these other women rewrote the Bible from the perspective of the oppressed woman.
And they took out any reference to patriarchy. They took out and they wrote

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kind of like an apologetic with each chapter explaining why they don't think
that Eve was responsible for the fall.
Why they don't believe that the Mosaic Code was given to man by God.
They think men made that up. They think most of the Bible was made up by men
to oppress and control women. And so they go through the whole Bible.
And rewrite it, and then give this apologetic for why it's wrong.

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And she says right in the foreword, I don't really believe that Christianity is a true religion.
I believe in something of a more, I'm paraphrasing here, but she believed in
more of a perennialist thing, and she talks about the Mahatmas and things like this.
But this woman's Bible was so popular, it was first published, I think, in 1895.
It was so popular, it had three runs in the late 1800s, and it was really widely

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distributed, very popular, and super influential.
So when we look at Protestantism now, and female bishops, female priests,
female preachers, all this feminism that's crept into American Protestantism,
this book itself is really, really responsible for that.
It's probably the number one factor in getting all of that really accepted.

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But these women said Lucifer was the good guy. He was the one bringing women
knowledge, trying to liberate them from the oppressive bad God of the Old Testament.
So we have some Gnostic stuff coming in here too.
But this was always built in. And most of the early suffragists were spirit
mediums, fortune tellers, tarot card readers.

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They claimed to be automatic writers.
They said that spirits were coming to them and giving them these pro-suffrage messages.
Now, there's two ways you could look at that. If you're somebody who's not Christian
and you're not a believer, you would look at that and say, well,
they were either crazy or they were con artists, right?
Neither of those looks very good for feminism. But if you're Christian,

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you might look at that and say, well, those are demons.
They're getting demonic messaging. If they're trying to contact spirits,
if they're trying to have seances, there's an old saying in the feminist world
that there was hardly a suffragette who did not sit around the seance table.
Yeah. So first I want to say, sorry about that. Oh, no, you're good.

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You're good. So she was talking about many of the influential women,
how they were getting basically all their information from the seance table. Right.
And she talked about spiritualism. So just to give you some context that I found in the book. So Susan B.
Anthony, which most people know, you know, huge figure in the feminist movement,

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and Elizabeth Stanton, they had connections to spiritualism.
So in this movement was kind of like an activism, like this feminists were doing
activism that was influenced.
Well, they chose spiritualism because they put women in leadership roles and

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sought equality for all.
But when we're talking about equality, which doesn't sound like a bad thing,
but they don't mean equality like what we would think equality means.
The big question around that is that they were seeking equality as if they were like men.
How can we make women more like men?

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And I think that's the whole movement. And you see that more clearly as we go through the episode.
How that was really, you know, the wrong question to start this movement with.
Because, you know, biologically speaking, we're not the same.
And if we're talking about creation, we were not created for the same purposes.

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That's why there's differences.
I love this phrase from Dave Ramsey to this day.
I repeat that if the two of us were the same, one of us would be unnecessary. necessary.
Well, it's interesting to me because you had mentioned it just before because,
you know, we were prepping and I was like, okay, I didn't really think about
that because you're thinking, okay, we just want to give women the same opportunities.

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But what seems like we're most interested in is giving women the opportunities that men excel at.
And we're not looking, well, what are the things that women excel at and how
do we accentuate those things, right?
How do we We make those either have more focus or hold more importance within society.

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Let's now make women focus more around the things that men are primarily going after.
I know you're going to mention it at some point, but you talked about that when
this first was kind of pushed out on the public, the women public, there was pushback.
Oh, there's definitely a pushback, but there was something that what we were

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discussing about the episode you said, you know, about veganism and vegetarianism
where you have, you know, the food industry.
A lot of food. Well, you have, what I was mentioning is like,
you've got the people who are vegan because of the health benefits, okay?
They think that there are some key health benefits that they want to take advantage

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of. They're not so much interested in saving animals.
But that's not what you were saying. No, no, no. But wait, wait,
I'm making my point. I'm just giving the distinction.
So there's the feminists. So there's those people. And then there's the people
who do it because, you know, they think, oh, I can't. It's not that I don't like meat.
It's that I don't want to hurt animals. But I mean, a large portion are doing

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it because they think this is what's the better thing to eat.
However, at the same time, they're focusing on foods that taste like meat.
They're trying to get plant-based foods to taste like meat. Impossible burgers,
Kofurky on Thanksgiving.
So it's like you're trying to lie to yourself, you know, that I don't want meat,
but I'm trying to make everything taste like meat.

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Yeah, so that is kind of what, you know, the women were doing.
They wanted to be more like men because they felt men held the power and men
could have property at the time.
You know, they would travel around while the women stay home with the children.
And they really, if you look at, you know, gender studies, and I remember taking

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a few anthropology classes in college, and that was the message, basically.
Why are we focusing so much on the differences instead of the similarities?
Because we're more similar than we're different. And that was kind of the message
there in my college years. But anyway, out of Susan B.

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Anthony and Elizabeth Stanton and their group, it came out something called
the Declaration of a Sentiment, which is a very...
Important document in feminism history. And it was basically a document that
was inspired in the Declaration of Independence, right? Because the women were
not part of the Declaration of Independence.
So it was kind of like the Women's Declaration of Independence.

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So it's called the Declaration of Sentiments.
And the ideas that are in the Declaration
of Sentiments were actually all channeled by spirits, you know?
And as Rachel was saying in the part of the the interview that there was a lot
of the Lucifer in the women's Bible when they rewrote the Bible from a women's

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perspective was really the liberator.
So what a lot of times when I talk about the Bible with my aunts,
you know, my mom, my friends, that story of Genesis always comes up.
Well, you know, like Eve, she's the one to take blame for the fall because she
ate the fruit and then she gave to Adam.

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But then what did Adam do? Okay, so first of all, she was left alone in the garden.
So the serpent's like, okay, let me go talk to the woman.
And then, you know, the story goes, she took a bite of the forbidden fruit from
the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
And then she went and took it to Adam. And she didn't force Adam to take,

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you know, to take the fruit.
I mean, Adam said he went ahead and ate the fruit.
And then when God asked him about it, he said, oh, the woman he gave me gave it to me, you know?
So it's kind of like a... I thought it was good. Yeah.
But it's kind of like a distorted story. So they try since the beginning,

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you know, with the founder of the movement, which we'll talk about her as well.
It's kind of like, okay, Okay, so they inverted the story and said,
well, Lucifer was actually trying to help us and liberate us.
So that's why they used the channeling, tarot, all kinds of,

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goddess worship, which is the next thing that we're going to talk about.
So the movement basically encouraged women through and empowered them through
these traditions. And I can very much relate to that because I used to be into all of that stuff.
Goddess worship. I really felt like tarot reading. I was pretty good at it, actually.

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And now I know it was just, you
know, some demon kind of giving me some information, which is not great.
But it felt like, you know, we as women, I mean, we support life, right?
But there's also a whole movement of...
I mean, the pro-choice movement, right? So you have the pro-life and pro-choice

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movement, and it's very much part of this root of what happened in Genesis,
where now women have this power of not only create life,
but also destroy it in the womb, which is, it's kind of sad,
really, because that's honestly what it is. But you were going to say something, Leo, sorry.
No, I mean, I lost train of thought there, but I do think that it's interesting,

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because I think we always come back to some building blocks.
And I think that if one thing we've established, you know, we had it even when
we weren't that religious, was that we understood who Lucifer was.
Oh, yeah, that's true. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, but we didn't know in this context.
But as looking back, you know, hindsight is 20-20 and looking at the kids' education, all this.

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Well, but what I'm saying is that we had an understanding of who Lucifer was
in our lives, even though we weren't super religious, but we had no idea a lot
of these things were so rooted in him.
Do you know what I mean? Whether we're talking about the type of education that
we've invested in, whether we're talking about the tarot, all this stuff,

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you know, we knew there were some hooks, but we didn't know that,
you know, these were really foundational
underpinnings to kind of this underworld you know
and so so what if i felt like
those were tools yeah you know so i
would base all my life decisions based
just like this women did of course i'm just one person you know they they i

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mean they influenced our society as it is today based on these tools and and
i look back and think i mean how in the world is nobody Why is nobody else using
this? Why do they think this is so wrong?
I understand it now, the dangers of it, right? Because it is a counterfeit.
And we can see in society in so many areas how detrimental.

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This information, this source has been to the movement in society.
Well, and I think that we have a bit of, I mean, I've really felt this over
the last like six months, we have a bit of a leg up because we have invested
so much time in this other stuff,
you know, whether it's tarot, whether it's crystals, whatever it may be,
and the background of them.

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Now, when we come to this from this new lens, this new heart,
right, within Christ, that it's like, oh, holy crap.
You know what I mean? I understand the depth of that, and I understand everything that is hooked into it.
And where a person who's maybe been a Christian their whole life and been fairly
devout—not that you have to come from where we came from, but I mean,

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they've just read, you know, maybe really high-level stuff about it,
and it says, hey, stay away from it, right?
You know what I mean? But they don't really understand.
They You know, like we've talked about John of God, what happened to us there,
you know, I mean, very, very crazy things that could have gone very, very, yeah, very badly.

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And we seem like we skated through those. It was by the grace of God, honestly.
So we'll do that in another episode. But let's talk about the goddesses.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. What are you talking about there?
They are basically extremely influential in this movement.
We're just talking to a friend not that long ago about, he might be listening
to this podcast, by the way, about an experience that he had with someone that he loves very much in an.

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Environment where the women were doing God worship.
And basically, it kind of very quickly, after one of those sessions,
it completely undermined their relationship.
Yeah, yeah. You know, and that is pretty, that's pretty, it's pretty interesting
how quickly it can happen.

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But anyways let's talk about the the first one
that influenced the movement but in an inverted way it's
eve when eve is not a goddess as
far as she's not a goddess right we just have one god in the story of creation
but this movement has made her a goddess in a way where she was partnering with

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lucifer and she was liberated she was liberated because now she had the knowledge of good and evil.
And through Christianity, the story we know is that actually what happened is
that they were cast out of the garden and we're all now separated from God.

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God is still part of this world, but we're separated, not like the times of the garden.
So Eve is one of them. The The other one is Persephone, and she's associated with the underworld.
So all these goddesses you will see, they have very common themes amongst them, amongst.

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Did I say that right? Amongst them. Yeah. So Persephone is associated with the underworld, right?
She was kidnapped by Hades, the story goes, the mythological story goes.
And she is known by being involved with the cycle of life and the cycle of death.

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So associated with Hades.
Then we have Artemis.
She's the goddess of the hunt, wilderness, and childbirth.
And she represents feminine power and independence, which is a lot of what the
movement sells, you know?
It's empowering women and giving them independence so they don't have to depend.

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It's really an illusion.
They don't have to depend on the patriarchy to survive in this world and be
happy. Another goddess is, how do you say that?
I'm not exactly sure. Hekate? Hekate? Yeah.
I don't know. But we'll show a picture of her in a minute here.
So she's associated with magic, witchcraft, and she's a guide through darkness

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and the underworld, just kind of like Persephone there.
We have Lilith, which she's very popular right now in Hollywood with all the
single ladies out there.
I keep thinking of Beyonce on that.
And Lilith actually means the night monster. And in Jewish folklore, she was known as a demon.

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And in some myths, she was considered Adam's first wife, but she didn't want
to be subservient to Adam, so she took off and Eve took over.
So that's some of the myths that are out there in the pagan world.
Isis is another one known as the great magician. Isis.
Also having power over life and death, so kind of like Persephone.

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There's Asherah, and she's linked to worship of Baal, which is another prominent
deity in the Canaanite religion.
And Baal is also associated with demonology, right?
If you guys ever heard of Beelzebub, is that how you say that? Beelzebub.
Beelzebub. Beelzebub is the Portuguese version of the word, And he was the lord

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of the flies, apparently.
Then we have, you know, Kali, which most people heard of it, the Hindu goddess.
She is the goddess of destruction.
And she is really scary. So she's depicted as stabbing on some guy,
okay, with a big, weird, bloody knife.

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Apparently she killed him. And she has this necklace of all these men's heads
around her. And she has her tongue sticking out.
And she's like Michael Jordan.
And so the last one is Luna, you know, which is the Roman goddess.
And she's associated also like Persephone and Hecate as, you know,

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the goddess of death and mortality.
And she embodies ambiguity, instability and madness. Yes.
So that is our circle of goddesses.
A lot of fun stuff. I mean, I'm not sure I would want to be in the same room with all of them.

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You know, and the funny thing is that I've been part of circles of goddess worship.
And, you know, it was more, the idea was more like we were celebrating the divinity in, what is it?
How do you say that? There's divine feminine. Sorry, it's totally escaped my head.

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Divine feminine. So divinity within me, right? The God in me.
But I had no idea that in these circles, that's what we were calling in, you know, destruction.
Demons, darkness, and death, you know? So it's very much opposite on what it's self, kind of like yoga.

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Like we're talking about yoga in the last episode. Should we show those pictures?
Yeah, let's show some pictures. I mean, these pictures. I mean,
if you're not buying it, from what I'm saying, I mean, just look at those crazy pictures.
I mean. Okay, so this is. This is Kali. Kali. She's got her necklace of men heads.
Yes. I see her knife. How do you even call that? That has a name.

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It does have a specific name. And I used to know what it was,
the little crescent moon on the long blade.
Yeah. I mean, it's terrifying. See, like, she's like in hell.
There's like all these tormentous souls behind i mean yeah she's definitely
not a california pizza kitchen i know that but no and if you scroll down a little bit we'll see oh that's,

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and you can see the theme is with eve you know in the garden with certain serpent.
And a lot of the Hindu gods having the serpent around them with,
you know, people equate serpent with wisdom.
And you can see she's got the man's head there. Yeah, she's stepping on a man's head right over there.

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And then we got Lilith. And Lilith, I mean, she's... Lilith looks like a gozer from Ghostbusters.
Yeah, pretty creepy.
And it just dawned on me when we were talking about Lilith. I remember there
was the big Lilith Fair, which was the concert series every year.
Sarah McLachlan used to put on. And I think that was pretty,
I never went, obviously it was, it was supposed to be predominantly for women,

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but it was obviously rooted very heavily in feminism.
And I never knew, I was like, well, who's Lilith? You know, is that her daughter? Yeah.
So then, you know, when you hear about Lilith, if you do a Google search,
you see all this wonderful things about this goddess, because the negative aspects of it,
it's hard to find even when you do a search

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it's it's crazy that's all the
pics you had yeah so those those three
were the most scary but again common theme
throughout the book and these goddesses and there was also another book that
i looked into called the end of women by carrie grass and it talks about modern

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feminism and how it's led to the erosion of women's identities and values You know,
and she basically advocates for the return to the traditional roles and values
of women and what we were created to be.
And, you know, how the family, how raising the children, but how supporting

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the community, nurturing the community was such a beautiful role that women
did not want to give up. Like women did not want to be.
Actually, did you guys know I learned through this that women actually when
the whole suffrage movement was happening, they only 4% of women at that time

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actually wanted to vote.
Like most women actually wanted to keep that body of them like impartial, apolitical.
So they would actually, because there would be no bias, their interest would
always be the family and the community.
And so now we have everything mixed up. So when it came time to vote,

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if women were going to have a right to vote.
The leaders of the suffrage movement, the suffragists, actually found a way
to stop women from actually voting on their own right to vote.
I mean, it was that... Okay, I remember we talked about that,

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but the reason they did that was because...
Well, they were getting funded by all the rich men, basically.
The patriarchy was funding that. and there were groups fighting against it.
Well, and that's an important point. Maybe we should talk about that a little
bit is why were these rich men funding this?

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We're gonna get to that. Okay, okay, I wanna make sure.
Just a moment, we're gonna touch into that. But in this book,
Carrie was also making the connections between the occult and the feminist movement.
But what she did that was really cool, She went back to actually tell the story
of the lives of these women that started this movement.

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And you can see so much brokenness. So these were broken women, okay?
Broken women that had gone through trauma with fathers, with broken families,
ended up having children out of wedlock at the time.
They felt vulnerable. They felt unprotected at the society at the time just

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because of their upbringing.
And so they all come together and they discover the occult and they feel this
empowerment because now they can talk to the spirits, you know,
and now they are viewed as goddesses.
And that's, that's, those were the people that actually started this, this whole thing.
Yeah. I mean, that book was, when we listened to that on the road trip we went

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on, I was just blown away.
I was like, man, so much wild, just, you know, talking like Kardashian level
drama, you know what I mean? Even worse than that, you know, right?
Because you had like these crazy diseases that children were dying of and,
and, and And these women wanted to be mothers to their children,

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but yet the cause was kind of forcing them to be more distant with their kids.
Yeah, they wanted to do it all, you know.
So they had a lot of them, their husbands, and the husbands would go out to work.
They would travel, and they would be unfaithful, let's say.
You know, the free love cause, the hookup culture of the time,

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you know, the men could do that. They could go out. They could work.
They could own property.
They could sleep around and nobody would say anything while they were home taking care of the kids.
But they made that look like negative, like oppressive, right?
Where you don't, you can't just do whatever you want with your life.
Like you have no choice but have children and take care of your family.

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So they made it look like that.
They made the history look like that. Like women were being oppressed when women
were pretty happy where they were taking care of their families and their community
and nurturing, you know.
So as the kids grew older, they would nurture their parents.
Their mothers and their fathers, or they would help in their church or they

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would help in their community.
And that's really what women wanted to do at that time. And it wasn't viewed as something negative.
Well, and to the point, you were just saying men would go out and do this bad behavior.
And instead of, okay, let's get together.
Well, but we're not saying every man. We're just saying the men at a point in history. Right, right.

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But I mean, it was something that they were making probably a big issue because
they were, especially with this group of people, because these were influential
people, right? And they were seeing this.
But rather than say, hey, you know. I would even dare to say,
and I think I said that a little bit in the beginning,
where these women then, let's say they had a gift for writing and they had a

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gift for connecting and they wanted to be more educated, right?
And they felt like they couldn't be. They would start...
Writing and their writings would start getting noticed.
And then these powerful men will come in and start endorsing those ideas.
And in a minute, you're going to know why that was.

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But one of the, actually the primary feminist in history, when the history of
the feminist movement started, her name was Mary Wollstonecraft, and she was a writer.
So she would advocate for women's education and rights.
She died during childbirth. I think it was her second child.

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Her story is actually pretty sad. So she had a father that had gone to war and
he ended up coming back from war. He was an alcoholic.
He abused her mother. Her mother, she felt was very, her mother really didn't
give her the love and attention that she felt she deserved it.
She deserved because the attention

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She went off to her older brother and she just like all her life,
she just aspired to have her mother look at her and value her because she felt
like she was actually the only defendant of her mother.
So when her father would come home drunk trying to go beat her up,

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she would stand at their bedroom door trying to keep her father from going in
and beating up her mother. And she would get beat up herself,
you know, because of that.
And so, but to the death, the story goes that the mother still didn't recognize
her efforts, even though she took care of her mother and did all of the things
she could for her mother to finally see value in her.

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She didn't get that. So that's kind of what fueled the beginning of the movement.
And so she felt like if women were able to get out and get educated at the time,
they wouldn't be constrained by,
you know, the rules of, you know, just being stuck at home and being a mother
and taking care of children, not being able to do anything else with their lives.

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That was her perspective.
And then she had a daughter named Mary Godwin Shelley.
She was actually adopted by Mary's second husband.
So Mary, Mary Walsowcraft, had a child, Mary, out of wedlock, I believe.
It was either that or the husband died. I can't remember exactly.

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But it could have been an out of wedlock situation.
And so then she wanted to escape the French Revolution because the things that
she was writing and doing were very frowned upon at the time.
So she married this man, which I can't remember his name now. Is that Percy?

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No, that was her daughter that then married Percy. So her daughter...
It's noted for her connection to Romanticism, which is basically free love for no judgment.
That was like these people back in the day, that was their goal.
They wanted to be able to sleep with whoever they wanted and not be tied by

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family or children or religion or any of that.
They just were, they were rebels at the time. And they are all,
and she was also influenced by atheism.
So she went ahead and married Percy Shelley.
And her family background influenced her literally.
I mean, she's the person that wrote Frankenstein, the story of it.

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Yeah, yeah. I remember when I heard the name, I was like, is that the person?
And I think she was only 18.
Yeah, she was pretty young, yeah. When she wrote that. So, you know,
very bright, very bright women.
But they had this very strong interest for the occult, you know.
And then you had, as we talked about, Susan B. Anthony and Katie Stanton.

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And we're going to play a quick. So they were actually fighting, again, for equality.
But when we talk about equality, we're not trying to exacerbate the qualities
of women and the qualities of men.
And be on equal footing based on how we were designed and created with our gifts
from the creator. They want equality because they want to be like men.

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And so this next clip here is with the Candace Owen.
And it talks, it basically is her talking to a feminist about what equality really means.
Kind of schooling the feminist lady. All right.
Yeah. So first I want to say I understand your sentiment because when I was
your age, I thought the same thing, that feminism is just about equality.

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One of the brilliant things that the left does is they repackage words.
It's clearly not feminism anymore.
It's designed to actually rip apart women and men, to make women paranoid about
men all the time. And every industry is controlled by a man.
And to make being on your own, I want to do all by myself, aspirational, right?
It's about all my single ladies who needs a man. understand um

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just because you're using the word feminism it doesn't mean
that it is feminism right and as best evidence by the
fact that they just keep using it when obviously we are
on equal footing with men and unless you can tell me what you're not allowed
to do as a woman in society that men are allowed to do right that would be like
a systemic problem that we would need to fix and so also i want to just remind
you that i said earlier that you don't know true history And when you wake up

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to the evils of feminism,
and I had just brought up the influx of immigrants that came from Russia after
they shot the Tsar in 1881.
These people were demonic. They were fixated on breaking up the family.
Look up a woman named Emma Goldman. She's a true psychopath,
and she's the one that inspired Margaret Sanger. They liked death, right?

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They were creating a cult of death and destruction everywhere all across the world.
And just to be clear, the earliest iteration of a feminist that you're talking
about that you deem to be heroic would be Margaret Sanger as a first wave feminist. And she hated me.
So please, I just don't, I think you should be very understanding and awake
when you step to a person of color and say, these people did amazing things for you.

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Because like I said, almost 80 million black American children have been murdered
because of that woman. So I feel nothing towards those feminists.
And when I look around and I see women who are now crying on TikTok, they don't understand.
They did everything they were supposed to do. And I actually empathize and sympathize with them.
And then suddenly they're in the world and they're making $25,000 dollars a
year and they can't do bad all by themselves, single ladies.

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And actually their bodies start coming online and their biology starts coming
online and they actually want to get married and have children.
And they're realizing that they've stepped into a design that they were promised
was going to be, as you hear, it's just going to be great.
It's all going to be amazing. And it actually isn't that amazing.
I don't know why. What are we even fighting anymore? Men holding doors?
That's the new feminist cause.

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Like, no, equality means don't hold the door. No, I like when men pay for my
meals. Love my husband pays for my meals when me recording.
I like having the door held for me. In a perfect world, our society was so much
better when women were involved every single day with their children before
we handed them over to the Department of Education.
And so I do not see feminism as having accomplished anything in our society.

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I actually think it was a nightmare that is being repackaged in our textbooks.
So I would implore you to just do a little more research and start with Emma Goldman.
Yeah, so that's one of the ladies that I didn't look into, and I will put a
link on the episode notes so you can go look her up.
Or if you're curious of who this, I'm sure she's a really interesting lady.

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Candice does not mince words, let me tell you. She doesn't.
But anyways, you know, she was talking about what we were sold and what we're getting.
And it's, as we go farther into the episode, you understand that the fruits
of the movement are actually not great, not great fruits.
Well, and I think that's the most interesting thing about this is,

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you know, you've got this cake that's baked, right, which is the feminist movement that we have now.
And if you don't go back and say, okay, well, what were the ingredients in that cake?
You know, what baked it the way that it is so that we can kind of figure out,
well, what are the challenges that came out of that, you know,

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that maybe weren't some not so great aspects of it?
And when you go back and you look at, you know, who these people were,
their histories, what they were into, you know, you would never pick these people
to be the, you know, the spokespeople for women's rights. You would not do that.
And so and some people would say, well, it doesn't matter. You know,

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these these ideas are still were still needed.
Who cares who who brought them to the forefront? front.
You say, well, that's the interesting thing is that I think that if we've learned
anything in our journey, it's that it's not about the complete parity of one another.
It's the accentuating and allowing each other to play into our roles.

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And that's where we have extreme success.
Because then what happens is, is when you are allowed to play in your role to
the fullest of your ability, then your partner gives you.
What you need to be successful. It's both ways.
And, and those are different things, which maybe we'll do another episode about in the future.

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But, but, but that's the interesting piece. But we are framed that the,
the conversation should be that men should, or women should want to be men,
you know, because we're certainly not, I mean, I guess maybe we are starting to sell it the other way.
Now we're trying to tell, you know, men to not be men, You know what I mean?
But for the longest time, at least... It's like the full circle inversion.

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Exactly, exactly. We've done the women now. Now let's make all the men want to be women.
But, you know, this movement, the early movement, wasn't without their challenges and scandals.
So we were just talking about, you know, the fight of the women that wanted,
the feminist women that wanted women to be able to vote.

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And then you had the group of women with figures like Lib Tilton,
which I think that was a movie with Cate Blanchett, where she plays Lib Tilton,
which I'm sure I never watched it.
I'm sure it was twisted somewhere to make her look stupid. But anyways,

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they were fighting, you know, Liv trying to keep women where they wanted to be.
Most of them wanted to be home taking care of the family.
They wanted to be there to take care of their families.
And then you have the Susan B.
Anthony and Elizabeth Stanton trying to, you know, tell women how bad they had

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and how oppressed they were by men. So there are lots of, you know,
they use the media at the time, you know, which is periodicals and newspapers.
And Elizabeth would fund a lot of stuff that Susan was writing,
you know, because she had a lot of money and she was born into money to do that.

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And completely, again, with that background of occultic practice and goddess worship and all that.
And then we have, I think, which was most heartbreaking part of this whole thing
for me, it was feminism and the relationship with communism.

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And I think that's what Candace was alluding to with Emma Goldman maybe over
there. But basically, there is a huge connection between feminism and communism.
So the idea that the state has taken over traditional family rules.
So we'll break up the family. We'll tell the women, men are bad.

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We want to be like them, but they're bad.
And then let's break up the family because the man just want to oppress us, right?
Just want to tell us what to do. and we just keep, you know,
having babies and whatever the story may be.
But so if the state, which, you know, communism wants to,

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you know, go ahead and take over the children so they can educate them and get
them to fall in line so they can continue the control system, right?
So there was this shift that was basically encouraging women to work outside
the home. And that was also influenced by the Industrial Revolution.
We're going to have a clip here that's going to explain that a little more,

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where these huge patriarchal investors. The Rockefellers of the time.
Yeah, were like, man, that sounds amazing. It was around the same time they
had the meeting at Jackal Island.
And then at the Federal Reserve. Federal Reserve and all that.
So it's all connected with women actually getting out of the home,

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giving their kids to compulsory public education.
And you will see later. I mean, you can see what mess we're in right now,
but she will draw the parallels here, Rachel, in this next clip.
You want me to pull that up? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So maybe set the stage for this clip here. What are you?
So you want to get out of here? Yeah, that's why I didn't want to go full screen.

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Well, the first... Because it... You want to share...
Uh right there wave was
all of that it was not better it was completely pushed through shoved through
by really wealthy financiers golden age industrialists who had just passed the

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income tax they had just created the federal reserve system and they had just
created compulsory public public education.
So why did they want feminism? Why would they, you know, fund this?
Why would they bail suffragettes out of jail?
Why would they pay for, you know, the meeting headquarters and the pamphlets and the newspapers?
Why would they essentially pay most of the politicians to get suffrage passed

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when women didn't want it? What like you're thinking, why would they do this?
Well, for a few reasons, if you just passed the first income tax,
which they were having trouble getting people to even pay.
It's a great idea to get women convinced that the home is oppressive and you're
a slave if you're working for your family and your husband,

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but you're liberated if you're working for one of their corporations and paying
the income tax on your wages there, right?
It gives them a big flood of new cheap labor that they desperately needed at
a time when, you know, they're building factories all across the country.
The railroads had just been built built a couple of decades earlier,
and they need to expand the economy.
They need this big pool of cheap labor, and they couldn't get enough immigrants back then.

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You didn't have just endless streams of immigrants coming across the border.
So they wanted women in the workforce.
Well, if the women are all working and the men are all working,
where do you put the children all day?
You send them to the compulsory public education system where the state eight
can indoctrinate them and teach them and give them whatever worldview values

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and ideas that they want.
Brilliant. And then on top of that, you've got a debt-based economy now because
we just, you know, passed the Federal Reserve Act.
And if both parents are working and it drives down the wages and inflation goes up, we need home loans.
We need car loans. You know, it became this little revolution of feminism completely

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changed the world in ways that people don't even realize and can't even and fathom.
It's probably the single biggest revolution of all time.
I would even put it ahead of the Industrial Revolution.
The Industrial Revolution enabled it because that's the reason feminism never
became the dominant thing prior to this, but it was industrialization that allowed,

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women to think they don't need men, right?
I can go out and make my own money now. I just turn on the switch and the lights come on.
I get in my car and I turn the key and it drives me to work on roads that are
built by men and a car that was designed and built by a man.
So it just created the conditions that made it possible to really separate the

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family and separate women from their family and make them, you know,
beholden to corporations and government rather than their own husbands,
fathers, and their church.
Stop sharing. Yeah.
So, yeah, I mean, there you have it. This is really, it was driven specifically for control.

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For profit, I mean, if you destroy the nuclear family, it's easier to, you know, control.
Now you have children that are basically raising themselves or the state is raising them.
You have more broken human beings, you know, just trying to survive.
Now the price of everything shoots up and then... Wages were driven down because

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there's so many more people in the workforce. Yeah.
And then, you know, and then women are, you know, they just traded a slave master, apparently.
So if their husbands were the first slave master, now the corporations are the
follow up master, you know, that's taking,
you know, having them work for free because you're, I mean, working,

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you know, part of your part of your salary just goes to the federal government.
And we know the whore and the things they do with our money,
with our work, basically.
But I just wanted to mention a couple more women that were very impactful in
this movement later in the, I want to say, 50s and 60s.

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One of them was Betty Friedan and the other one was Kate Millett.
So they were advocating there. So it was like a level up, you know,
advocating really for radical changes in society norms regarding sexuality in the family.
Now the women help, these women help the movement shifts more towards a more

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destructive form of feminism.
It prioritizes individual choice over collective well-being.
So we're talking about the hookup, the free love in the 60s,
hookup culture, women can sleep around, just I guess men slept around.

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And Kate Milledge, I mean, she was mentally disturbed, okay, this lady.
She had mental problems. I mean, her life ended up really set alone, mental institutions.
It just wasn't, her life was just really sad. But her idea of equality,
I mean, think about that for how absurd that sounds.

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So because men get to go to the battlefield at wars,
she felt like women's battlefields were at their womb, where they could murder just like men murder,
except that now we're moving to, which I know is very controversial,

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But the choice of basically kill this unique DNA that is in you,
that could be a result of the free love, right?
Of people having, you know, having free love, free sex, women's liberation.
We got, you know, advancements on that thanks to Planned Parenthood and birth

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control pill and all these different contraceptive tools we have out there.
You can go ahead and go have your free love and not worry about.
And if you do get pregnant, you have the choice to go to a clinic and have an abortion.
But that was the idea behind it, okay, that the battlefield is now in the womb.

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And that's how we can be like men.
That's how we can control life and death is basically in the womb.
And that is just really sad. So let's go ahead and play the next clip.
What is this clip? This is actually Cary Grass talking about transgenderism
and the patriarchy that the feminist movement fights so much against. Okay.

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So obviously you address the patriarchy in the book. Your subtitle is How Smashing
the Patriarchy Has Destroyed Us.
Right. Now, most women, when they hear that term patriarchy,
their mind sort of goes to the suppression of women.
So how did getting rid or attempting to smash the patriarchy,

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how do you argue that that actually is a harm to women? Yeah.
Yeah. Again, this is another hard thing. I've heard so many people define patriarchy
in very, very different terms.
I mean, there's a whole side story that goes with that. But I think that the
reality is, is that what we've done is belittle men.
And we have made men, you know, the goal, one of the stated goals,

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especially in the 70s of feminism, was to get rid of gender altogether. together.
And a highly effective way of destroying the family and the authority of a father
in the home was really by destroying the fabric of society.
So Kate Millett was a big proponent of this. We need to promote homosexuality,
prostitution, promiscuity, all these things that we're not,
you know, key issues back in the 60s. And now, of course, they're very mainstream.

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But along with that has come the silencing of men through feminism.
So again, we see this power play.
But men have a natural set of gifts that are different than men.
And I think that that's what's really happened when you set half of a population
against the other half of the population.
Again, this is where marks come in because men are the, you know,

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by default, they're male, they are the oppressors, and by default,
females are the oppressed.
I mean, that's just the terms that they've been working with.
Most of us are sort of getting in the ether and sort of have an expectation that's how it works.
By default, you know, they've done nothing wrong objectively,
but they are just wrong because they're men.

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So that's, I think, the fundamental crux is when you set, when you pit,
you know, the sexes against each other,
What's really going to happen is, again, further breaking of the family,
further control over society because broken people are much harder control than intact families are.
So there's a whole underpinning of, you know, communist ideology,

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woke ideology, critical theory that's running through this that I think a lot
of us, you know, we're not familiar with.
It feels very foreign. And, you know, we've also been told that,
you know, masculinity is toxic.
So it's hard to sort of parse these things out. And I try to make a lot of that
clear in the book to just help women realize like, now they're, this is intentional.

(01:06:12):
And this battle of the sexes has not helped us because, you know,
it's creating all these women who, and maybe this is one of the saddest things
is just the women that I meet who have really followed through on the feminist ideology.
And they, you know, they get to their 40s, 50s, 60s, and they think,
well, I have a lot of money and I have a good career, but I'm lonely.

(01:06:32):
I, you know, my parents have died. I don't have children.
You know, there's this deep desire to love and be loved. And,
you know, it's too late for them to have children.
And what do we do at this point when we've realized, like, maybe this wasn't
what I really wanted. Maybe this was not the path I wanted.
So those, I think, are the really sad stories is, you know, obviously God has

(01:06:54):
a plan for their lives, but it's just harder
to figure that out when you get to a point where you've sort of been painted
into a corner by an ideology that you didn't realize
was going to leave you in this situation all
right yeah you
might wanna it's okay it's not sharing i'll reset it so yeah that there you

(01:07:15):
have it where you know the patriarchy fear sold the idea that they're evil that
they oppress women And that dynamic is also very overplayed, you know,
in wars or if the critical race theory right now, the white men,
I mean, how many times in corporations now we get...

(01:07:38):
We got pushed that idea that, yeah, you're racist. You just don't know it.
Well, yeah. You just label that and you don't know it.
Well, she makes the point like in Marxism, you know, just the men are the oppressors,
the women are the oppressed.
And, you know, it's the same thing with racism, right?
White people, you can say that, oh, I've been less racist before.

(01:08:03):
Maybe I've been more racist before, But you can never not be racist.
You're white. You're racist.
It's the same construct. Right. But then there's that thing where it's OK to,
for example, make fun of the white men, but not OK to,
you know, say derogatory things about a woman like a Latino woman like me can't,

(01:08:27):
you know, and that actually you could use that against white men if you wanted to.
Like women can do that in this society, you know, and usually.
Especially in the corporate setting, you will get the benefit of the doubt.
And that's really sad that we got into this point.

(01:08:47):
I mean, but as she was saying, too, you know, the unhappiness in society,
women, and I know I've been fed that, you know, that the women that,
you know, just climb the corporate ladder.
And there's no way that our kids are not going to, the more we try,
like the more we try, like I personally, I have a corporate job.

(01:09:11):
And I've been blessed that I get to work from home. This is something I really
wanted to be at least a little, feel a little closer to my children.
But again, my time is owned by my boss, right?
And if I have to go take care of my children, take them to an appointment,
it's always like, oh yeah, no big deal. You can do it.
But in the back of your mind, you always feel like...

(01:09:34):
You feel guilty, you know? Or you have to work overtime or you have to,
you know, do all those things to, I mean, again, you can choose differently, right?
But it's just like you grow up, like, and you are systematically educated to be independent, okay?

(01:09:54):
So when you are put into a situation, you're home with your kids,
as I was blessed to be home with my kids for seven years,
that I'd say a lot of that
time I actually felt less than
I chose to be to feel less than my my friends that were still working in the
corporate world and their kids were going to public public schools and and they

(01:10:18):
didn't mind and they were worried about their retirement you know when you retire
you gotta have money in your 401k and all that and and I was like well I'm not
gonna have that because i'm not working and i'm thinking okay once well
but the crazy thing was you know what you were doing
like the most important thing you've ever done and that which was you
you ran the sunrise program at home for our son and it is so sad that i had

(01:10:44):
a mindset where i felt less than for being a mother because that's that's social
engineering right there you You know, like that's the soap operas I grew up with.
There's the, you know, my mom, my aunts that would not, I mean,
you give them an apron as a gift and they're offended.

(01:11:05):
They would not wear that apron. Isn't that crazy?
Like you're just trying to not get your clothes dirty when you're cooking and they are offended.
Well, but seriously, you know, what you did, you know, because that was something
that I, myself, and again, I think a lot of it has to do with being a man,

(01:11:25):
but I was not good at that stuff.
You were just so fantastic. Exactly. I was designed.
Yeah. And so I just would like try to plug in, you know, like ride your coattails
and just hang on for dear life, you know.
And what you were doing was so much more important than any bullshit I was doing at the office.
Yeah. And you were doing this for the next generation that's going to inherit the planet, right?

(01:11:49):
I mean, you were running this therapy program that brought a child out of autism.
We're seeing autism rampant, and men and women are not home for those kids to
help them. They're pawning them off on therapy workers.
And we're all, I mean, let's just agree that we're all doing.
We're all doing the best we can. The best that we can.
But I mean, that's what you were doing, and you were still feeling kind of.

(01:12:14):
Because I was not educated or brought up to be a mother. Let's just be honest.
I was brought up to be in the corporate world, especially coming from a third world country.
That is the goal.
Of, you know, especially as a woman, you know, I work in tech,

(01:12:35):
you know, and that was another thing, like, you gotta go, you gotta work in
tech, you know, you gotta be with the men, you gotta be like them,
you know, and you, you gotta tell your husband what to do, you wear the pants,
don't let him step all over you, that was the messaging,
my entire life.
Okay, like, it is so, and that's why I'm so passionate about this,

(01:12:56):
because Because it's just so infuriating.
It's so infuriating how you were just sold this picture of Wonder Woman.
Like you can do everything, you know, and everybody's happy.
And you saved the day in the end.
That was like my goal in life, to save the day.
Well, and we could just see now so much more of how this partnership works.

(01:13:22):
And it is not a, again, people value, it seems like they value the stuff that the men get to do.
And it's really a reprioritization of what's going on.
So, I mean, that is a fantastic example with what you did with our son.
That changed the trajectory of our family. It wasn't anything I was doing at work.

(01:13:46):
It wasn't... I mean, you were supporting us. Well, no, no, I get it,
but I'm just... You need money to do all those therapies, by the way.
But I'm saying, I would have done that anyway, had he, you know,
dealt with autism or not, you know, but you were doing this, you made that choice.
Yeah, because we have the nurturing...

(01:14:06):
Nature like we will fight to
the death for these children yeah
yeah we just will and it's funny because what did they call uh moms what was
it uh warrior mom warrior moms were it would you i'm pretty sure there were
no warrior dads i don't remember anybody ever going oh yeah he's a warrior dad
no there's warrior moms and warrior moms that's right so you know so that is

(01:14:30):
the real battle right there,
you know, being there for your kids.
And I have no younger friends, you know, they're like, I don't know.
I'm not working. I'm just with the kids at home. Like that is such enjoy that
and do it to the best of your ability. Such a blessing.
But anyways, that's, that's true empowerment for me.
Now I understand that, but it is sad that true empowerment for women today,

(01:14:55):
day, it is the pro-choice versus pro-life discussion.
And as I said, we just saw this in the debate this past week where Kamala is
so proud to stand for the platform of pro-choice for women's choice.
I mean, it's like there's no consequence, society, right?

(01:15:16):
There's no consequence for wanting to be whatever you want to be,
even though that's not what you're created to be.
And then now there is the empowerment to create and destroy,
destroy life, have the choice to do that.
And so I wanted to just talk about the fruits of this movement so far,

(01:15:40):
what we have seen as quality of life for women.
And basically, are we happier now than before?
In the 70s, in the 60s, in the 50s, the 40s, the turn of the century.
Because really, that's what we're fighting for. We're fighting for equality
so we can have better quality of life and we can be happier.

(01:16:04):
You know, it's like a very self-serving. And this is what comes from the occult
and the whole goddess worship and divine feminine worship.
It's all like self-serving. So now you serve yourself, there's no time to serve
the children, the community.
Like the concept of servitude, you know, your husband, you know,

(01:16:28):
serving your husband, helping your husband, being the helping hands with the
gifts that you were given. There's none of that.
There's just like you want to be something else. It's always like something else.
The grass is greener somewhere else. So I wanted to play this one more clip.
We're almost there. We're in the home stretch.

(01:16:51):
And that is basically, you know, some statistics about are we are we happier?
Year okay so do you think
that men and women are the same i don't think they're the same i
don't okay like again i think physically there are differences
okay just physically though like you don't think that men
have certain strengths and women have certain strengths and they each have like different

(01:17:13):
divinely appointed roles in existence well i mean i'm an atheist personally
okay well sorry i just forgot to say this is a debate at the whatever podcast
with a feminist Ernest and Rachel Wilson. Okay.
Well, not, okay, do you think that they have appointed roles in society in order

(01:17:35):
for society to be mostly successful? I think that's how it's come to be.
So, can I ask you another question? Do you think that women are happier today
or do you think that they were happier before all of this stuff?
I think because it's proven that women are way less happier today.
Okay. OK, but is that just the stats we're looking at now as in like those are

(01:17:56):
the stats we're taking? That's just ignorance is bliss.
Yeah, because I mean, for example, like people like to make the argument that,
you know, we're seeing a rise in autism.
OK, is it the fact that there is a rise in autism or did we just not take into
account the fact that, you know, we didn't know what it was before?
Well, so I think people know what happiness was. I can actually explain this
because it's like my area of specialty.

(01:18:17):
There's surveys that were done, like very large scale surveys that were done
in the 70s. and then again in the 90s, and then again in the early 2000s. Mm-hmm. So.
The first one that came out was called The Paradox of Female Happiness,
where when they surveyed women all over the West and asked them what their satisfaction
levels were, a ton of different metrics were used.

(01:18:39):
In the 70s, pretty good, pretty happy, not a lot wrong.
By the time we get to the 90s and they repeat the survey, women are declining
in happiness in the places that they have the most freedom, the most egalitarian society.
So the places where women have the most equality are the places where we see
them not only reporting that they have higher levels of self-unhappiness,

(01:19:02):
but also we see a rise in alcoholism, fetal alcohol syndrome, depression,
anxiety, prescription drug use.
Every metric they look at, women are reporting that they are less happy.
Now, there's a lot of reasons we could talk about why that might be.
But I think people don't understand that when women are trying to be equal,
it makes life pretty impossible.

(01:19:24):
You end up thinking you can have it all, do it all, be it all.
Your expectations are wildly high.
And you expect that you're going to be able to have a husband and a family and
a career and do whatever you want, but also have a man who's going to take care of stuff.
And these things all contradict each other. These things do not like mesh together well.
On top of that, women are more emotionally volatile.

(01:19:47):
We have a hormonal cycle every month that, you know, fluctuates.
We have pre-menopause. We have postpartum.
You know, we have a lot of ups and downs. Okay. And why does that make us more emotional?
Because I'm genuinely asking literal hormone. Well, hold on. I know. I know.
But I mean, for example, let's look at like history

(01:20:08):
here so much war has been caused by
men well i have something for this
actually yeah so i mean they they looked at monarchs
for example kings kings and queens and they actually found that queens were
just as or even more likely to wage war than kings oh i'm not disagreeing i
think there's some real messed up women in history too truly no but they they

(01:20:31):
did like an analysis here I'm not just saying there were some queens.
They just comparing all of these. I don't know if it was if it was the the English
monarchs, the British monarchs. I don't recall exactly the specific details
of this analysis they did, but they did find that queens were more likely to wage war than kings.

(01:20:52):
Yeah. So there you have it.
So there's the feminist still trying, you know, she brought up autism.
I mean, there's, oh, we just maybe didn't know what autism was back then. I mean.
It's funny that she should mention that. We're just talking about it.
So we've gone from one in 10,000 people to, in California, it's like one in 22, you know.

(01:21:17):
So, I mean, we've gotten that good at seeing that. And back then,
we just were not smart enough.
We just weren't smart to figure it out. How our kids completely disconnected
and stopped talking and couldn't function.
I mean, you know, so very interesting.
But, you know, going back to
the fruits, she was talking about statistics where women are not happier.

(01:21:38):
And there's a lot more divorce now. You know, people just get divorced.
Weren't you saying we were camping and we were at the beach and you overheard
a group of women talking? Yeah.
Very interesting conversation. I was about 10, 12 feet from three women.
They're probably about our age, maybe just a tad older, maybe 50.

(01:21:59):
And they were, I didn't catch the front end of the conversation,
but I think what was going on was that they wanted her to go on some trip.
And she was like, well, you know, I'm doing this with my husband,
you know, she was like, I can't get
get rid of him yet she goes but but she says but that is the plan so

(01:22:21):
i've got i gotta do it by the other two we're already
oh yeah the other two were like we're like chatting like we've already gotten
rid of our husbands you know and we're gonna get on board with a program and
i get you don't know anyone's lived experience maybe but it's just interesting
it's just intriguing it's just interesting you you you uh you heard that but
but you know raising raising children with.

(01:22:44):
A counterpart is hard enough. So I can't imagine when you add,
you know, you add another complexity and then now you have two different households
and, you know, you have, everybody's hurting at the end of the day from these decisions.
And I'm not saying that, you know, men and women don't have reasons to split up and separate.

(01:23:06):
What I'm saying is that now it's just so prevalent. I mean, there's more divorced
people than there are married people.
So that is concerning. So you can see the Marxist and the communism plan is
working really, really well.
And here we're thinking that we're liberated and we have choice when we're just
unhappy, depressed and alone, which is really sad.

(01:23:29):
But just to summarize, you know, so we know now the feminist movement is rooted
in Satanism and occult practices.
The movement itself, historically speaking, was aimed to dismantle patriarchal
structures, but at the same time, it was funded by the most powerful patriarchy
structures that exist in the world.

(01:23:51):
And instead of, you know, making women happier, it just marginalized them and
their unique attributes and virtues,
making the male They will experience what we are shooting for, which is just weird.
And there he goes, the inversion again. And so the impact of these occult influences

(01:24:15):
on women's stability, security, and purpose has left us more vulnerable because
it destroyed the family.
It tricked us into abandoning our God-given identity. So in the ideology often works.
Well, that it's rooted in victimization,
resentment, rejection of the traditional roles of men and women.

(01:24:40):
They have contributed to the breakdown of the family unit, as we said, right?
If we don't have the family unit, we're more vulnerable, as I said earlier.
Increasing societal discord, decline in well-being.
I mean, all these really, all these really sad, I don't feel,
I mean, does any of this sound empowering?

(01:25:03):
They don't sound empowering.
So we talk a lot about the problem here, but I just wanted to discuss with Leo real quickly.
I mean, Leo, what do you think? Do you have any ideas on solutions on this problem?
I think first, you know, it's important to know that you have a problem, right?

(01:25:25):
Before you start fixing things, you got to understand there's a big problem
here in the dynamics between men and women, right?
We have been pinned against each other here. We're not working together.
Well, I think, again, I'm always looking at, you know, what is the messaging
that we're getting out in the world, right?

(01:25:46):
Because I think if you and I have learned anything, the messaging that is the
most loud and in your face is typically the one that's not in your best interest.
Right. I mean, we've learned that over and over and over again.
And I think even a lot of people who might be big feminists,
you know, but they're awake.
They're like, yeah, yeah, all the stuff that is being pushed on me is all bullshit.

(01:26:12):
It's like, okay, well, what about feminism? It is being jammed down throats, you know?
And again, I'm not saying that everything was hunky-dory and that there weren't
places we could improve.
But, you know, one thing you and I were talking about was, you know,
we are constantly given these examples of what was going on,

(01:26:32):
you know, in like the 50s and 60s, or maybe not the 60s, but 40s, 50s.
60s also. Well, predominantly, I think the 60s, you know, the Mad Men culture,
right? Yes, you guys see Mad Men?
I was infuriated when I watched that show. But I mean, but there's a lot of
mimics of bad men, you know, that it was just these men run amok, you know what I mean?

(01:26:55):
And so the question is, is that really what was going on?
You know what I mean? I mean, obviously there was some of that,
but I mean, what was the bulk of what it was to be a man?
Was it to, you know, mistreat your wife and to be this cheating,
you know, really ruthless type of just, you know, interested in self-entertainment

(01:27:19):
and, you know. Free love.
Free love. You know, I mean, is that really what was going on or is that this...
Picture that's being painted of the bulk of men.
And I think that's the question.
And I don't necessarily have the answer. And I'm sure that there are women that

(01:27:39):
have had experiences with men in that time.
We even know some who maybe have had some less than optimal experiences.
And then they hopped on the feminism train, thinking, okay, I got to get out
of here. this is not working for me.
And so they hopped on the train and maybe they found themselves now way down the road.

(01:28:01):
It's like, okay, well, I didn't want to go here either. Yeah.
You know? So maybe it's not about rejecting having more empowerment,
but it's saying, hey, define that empowerment, you know, and don't rule out
the things that we used to really hold as sacred,
you know, which is being a mother and being a wife, you know.

(01:28:24):
I mean, honestly, it comes down to the natural order, the natural law of things,
you know, like we, like a book has a writer,
a house has a builder, how everything that exists was created,
You know, there is a creator to this existence.

(01:28:45):
And I think that us denying and getting farther and farther,
farther away from our creator and getting into these occult practices where
we are now the creators, we're the gods,
we're the divine has really screw us up.
Because if we think about, I mean, we can't create everything seven days. We just can't.

(01:29:10):
We just can't. So if there is a designer, the designer would know more about the creation process.
Than the created thing itself, right? So, and there is scripture that defines
the roles and what we were created for.
And I think that it is so important to at least take a look at that.

(01:29:36):
What does that look like?
Yeah, study it and really look at it with an open heart.
You know, don't look at it through the lens of society because society's fallen.
And they want you to believe a certain thing.
Yeah, they want to control you. They want you to work for them and then live miserable lives.
I mean, if you can see most of these, the women, all of the women we talked

(01:30:00):
about, they had some reverence to Lucifer, right? The bad guy.
Hopefully. And so why is it so crazy to think that the creator would know better
and that we can't? I mean, look at our world, okay? Like, it is falling.

(01:30:21):
I mean, we can be grateful for what we have.
We got a pretty good life, you know? Like, can't really complain.
And at the same time, as Rachel was saying, the egalitarian societies is where
you have the most unhappy women.
So what does that say? I think it says that we're putting stock on the wrong

(01:30:41):
things, on the wrong ideas, the wrong ideologies.
Maybe a lot. The wrong deities. Maybe a lot of women are finding out that being
a man is not all it's cracked up to be.
You know what? Like, I wouldn't want to go to war being the battlefield.
I wouldn't want to do that. I wouldn't want to go work in an oil rig or having

(01:31:04):
to jump off helicopters to save people down and drowning in the ocean.
I wouldn't want to do any of that. I wouldn't want to go up to cell towers to
fix cell towers or power lines, get out in the winter.
I wouldn't want to do that or maintain roads and all this.
I would much rather be with my children at home in the cozy home by the fire.

(01:31:28):
I think that's just me. But anyways, just to finish up the conversation here,
I just have one more cliff.
It's really quick, and I just found it kind of profound.
And it's basically a feminist asking a Christian guy, his name is Charlie Kirk,
some questions about being pro-choice and about women's rights.

(01:31:50):
All right, let's check it out. I just want to ask you what you as a male,
just like with guests who are male, think you have the right to speak up and
tell a woman what to do with their body?
Are men allowed to have opinions on moral topics?
Yeah, you are, of course, allowed to have obedience, but it's a really controversial

(01:32:12):
opinion to tell a woman what to do with their body.
You are a man, and it's not your field of view.
So if it's not your DNA, why is it your choice?
Because it's my body. It happens to be temporarily in your body, but is it your being?
Yeah, I think so. It is? Didn't the woman make a choice to have sex,
and then she should carry the responsibility that comes with it?

(01:32:33):
I think there are two people who should carry the responsibility.
Okay, wait, hold on. So then shouldn't a man be able to say,
you can't have an abortion without my consent? I thought you said it was just a woman's issue.
Yeah. So just to say, and this video wasn't, of course, to diminish women.
It's just that when you get into, again, the history of the feminist movement

(01:32:57):
and you get into this argument of choice and empowerment, the foundation is so weak.
I mean, what it's rooted and based on is so just so ugly and satanic,
as we said, that, I mean, you just can't argue.
I mean, it is life is life.

(01:33:18):
You know, life in the womb is life.
I mean, from the moment of conception, I mean, biology says here you have a
unique DNA that it's growing.
It has to be alive to be growing. It can grow if it is not alive.
So it is a life in the womb. And for women to believe this is a pro-life,

(01:33:41):
pro-choice situation here, I mean, you are having the choice.
I know there is the issues of rape and incest and family abuse, all that.
But this is like less than 1% of the situations that we're talking about.
And for us to think it's no big deal that we have the choice,

(01:34:03):
I think we need to revisit that and think a little more about what are we fighting for here?
Because statistically, we're not happier after an experience like this. We just are not.
I mean, I know some friends that have gone through this, you know, and...
Deeply, deeply regret it. Deeply regret it.

(01:34:25):
I'm not saying that's everybody, but still, you know, an episode,
topic for another episode at another time, but I just wanted to put it out there
that basically the argument doesn't stand because the foundation of the House of Cards is super shaky.
Well, and really, I think what I want to leave people with is both these books,

(01:34:46):
like we focused in on today, and we'll link to those, were just really interesting reads.
They're both available via audio book as well, which we listen to both of them audio book.
One of them has the world's worst reader that does it. He's not good,
but the other one is very good.
But they're both very listenable.

(01:35:07):
They're very enlightening. Yeah. I mean, the stuff that they brought up, I was like, wow.
I mean, I would want to know that this was going on in the background,
regardless of my opinions of feminism.
Because I mean, Again, I just don't see how you can eat that cake fully without
understanding everything that's going into it.

(01:35:28):
So I think that's just an important point to make. All right.
Well, I think that's it for today. So we'll go ahead and...
I always do that. It's a little too loud. And I know on the video,
they can't even hear it because it doesn't go that way. So what do you want
to leave everybody with? Hey, everybody.
Thanks for listening today. And our tagline now is, it's easier to be fooled

(01:35:50):
than admit that you've been fooled. All right. Talk to you later.

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