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When you think of a classroom, what comes to mind? The chalky scent of blackboards, or perhaps the hum of a projector? Now, imagine a place where education fuels not just the mind, but the very spirit of community itself. Cary Goulston joins us to unravel the threads of traditional teaching, weaving a vibrant tapestry of study technology and moral education. His experiences, from Boston's urban strife to the global stage, reveal an urgent call for an educational metamorphosis – one that promises to diminish youth crime and spark joy in learning.
Embark on a journey through the heart of societal transformation with tales from the Life Improvement Center to a diplomatic dance with a Sudanese leader. This episode captures the essence of leadership's impact on future generations, dissecting the paradox of abundant resources against persistent societal plagues. Through Cary's lens, we view a world where education is not just a system, but a living, breathing organism that thrives on unity and effective communication. It's an exploration of how to harness the collective power of communities to craft a world less riven by conflict and more bound by cooperation.
Wrap up your listening experience with a candid reflection on the art of conversation and self-improvement. Discover how the simple act of honing your communication skills can revolutionize your personal and professional worlds. We share our own transformative journeys, emphasizing the need for continuous growth and the potent influence of nurturing our relationships. This isn't just about talking the talk; it's an invitation to walk the walk towards a life rich in connection and understanding, underscored by the unwavering belief that mastering the art of communication is essential to our collective prosperity.
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Ryan Kimball (00:00):
In this episode we are honored to welcome Cary
Goulston, a titan in the fieldof education and a beacon of
hope for communities around theworld.
Cary is not just an educator.
He's a visionary whose work hastranscended boundaries and
transformed lives.
Cary is the president of theGlobal Pioneers Inc, an
organization at the forefront ofeducational reform and
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humanitarian efforts.
His journey is nothing short ofinspiring, taking him from the
classrooms of Boston to theremote regions of Nigeria and
Brazil, impacting lives in everycorner of the globe.
But what truly sets Cary apartis his revolutionary work with
study technology and The Way toHappiness.
These aren't just programs.
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They're catalysts for change,tools that have empowered
countless individuals with theskills and moral compass
necessary to navigate andimprove the complex world we
live in.
So buckle up as we explore thelife and the mission of a man
who's not just shaping educationbut is helping to reshape our
future.
Let's get started.
If you won't mind telling me alittle bit, Cary, about the
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common sense approach to helpingyoung adults and your
experience with that andguidance on that.
Cary Goulston (01:13):
Okay, I think I've been around enough to know,
from Boston to Nigeria, fromBrazil to Bangladesh, from the
poorest to the richest.
I think I've been around quitea long time and trying to reach
people and help people for somany decades.
I think I have a really goodestimation and a good judgment
and opinion about the state ofaffairs.
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I've observed from correctionalfacilities to high schools,
from elementary school toworking with teachers.
I've worked at every singlelevel, from being a consultant
and training thousands ofexecutives and colleagues to
helping workers.
I've worked at every level ofsociety and more than once.
And so, that being said, not asto be braggadocious, but more
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like from a point ofpracticality I think there's a
really important subject, so I'mreally glad you're interested,
I'm really glad that you'retaping this and I'm glad that
you're asking me, because Idon't think we have enough
interest in the world to makechanges.
So, you have insanity,irrationality and status quo all
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tied into education.
It kind of makes things alittle difficult.
They're going to make sure thateducation is backward or
ineffective and swear by it.
But I'll tell you how we knoweducation is so brutal and so
behind the times and soineffective.
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I mean, I'm not disregardingall the great engineers and ice
cream makers and car mechanicsand all the wonderful bakers and
things that we have that arereally workable.
That doesn't take away from anyof that whatsoever.
On the larger scope of things,75% of the world lives in
poverty and that is unacceptable.
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That is a product of a horrific, if not horrendous,
international education system.
Three out of four people onplanet Earth may live on $1- 2 a
day.
I can tell you I can go aroundthe world and see it.
250,000 orphans in Haiti andBrazil.
And here's the positive newsabout all this.
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Most of these people,governments and so forth, really
know they're screwed, they knowthey're a mess, they know
they're in trouble, they knowthey need help.
I've worked with so manygovernments.
It warms my heart to know thatthere are people in high places
that do want improved education.
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And we work with those peoplein making inroads where we are
allowed to partner and where weare allowed to bring in new
technology and new educationmethods.
I can cite to you, I can speakto you now blatantly and openly
about how disgusting educationis around the world.
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I can prove it with my eyesclosed.
Anybody can see it if you golook.
I've been to way too manyschools.
But you know, the news andpeople specialized in pointing
out what was wrong with mankind,how evil they are and how
horrible things are, and peoplespecialized in pointing that out
.
We don't need another persondoing that.
What we need, what we need iseffective, practical programs
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that are getting the job doneand in the direction of upgraded
education, improved educationfor one and all.
Now, what's improved education?
The community doing well, youknow - prospering, production
and activities and creativityand bright thinkers and all
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these things that you wouldexpect if you were logical about
the whole thing.
What would you expect of animproved education situation?
Students would love going toschool.
People would be coming homehelping mommy and daddy around
the house.
People wouldn't be stealing orbreaking into schools or robbing
all the time.
People wouldn't be rapinglittle girls or turning to
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prostitution.
The worst of it all is thismassive drug epidemic where last
year in the US there were 13million crimes.
Now I can tell you in lookingat some crime stats, which only
is useful if it results in youbeing able to do a better job.
I'm not talking from some ivorytower, I'm talking from a guy
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who's on the ground working very, very hard to improve education
every single day.
I'm on the ground and I canprove that.
But the point is, in Floridathe FBI would report and anybody
can see this report for yourstate, wherever you live, your
country, for wherever you liveand do a look at it - the crime
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rate.
And I'll tell you specifically: in Florida last year there were (06:04):
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675,000 violent crimes.
Now the FBI defines violentcrimes as murder, rape, burglary
, arson.
They have five of thosefelonies they consider violent
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crimes.
In Florida.
Last year, per the FBI, therewere 675,000 violent crimes
committed in Florida.
Now hold your hat, 75% of thoseare committed by 12 to 19 year
olds.
So, per the FBI, three out ofevery four violent crimes
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committed in this state arecommitted by teenagers.
Now here's the brainstorm onthis.
It wouldn't happen if youngpeople were taught common sense
principles, moral common sense,how we live with each other,
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common sense codes to live by,common sense principles,
starting at seven years old,eight years old, nine years old,
10 years old, leading up tothat point, 12 years old, where
the teenager becomes rebellious,with the teenager is trying to
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fight for their own independence.
They become very susceptible togangs and all these things that
you see that are happening,that are tearing down the
prosperity of any country or anycommunity.
I don't have to say it, we seeit.
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I don't have to say anything.
We already know this ishappening.
We just, we - maybe we don'tknow it's happening, but I think
we get a sense that things are,things are not okay.
So the handling, becauseinformation is only as valuable
as it results in doing somethingabout it.
We can shock each other towhere we're lying, hiding in a
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corner from fear.
But that's the goal of themedia.
You're being shocked intopaying attention.
You're being shocked intotaking drugs.
You know, this is likeextortion.
I don't, I'm not doing that.
I'm giving you the statistics tosay that if we help our young
people at an early age learnabout these common-sense
principles (08:39):
Don't take harmful drugs, treat others how you want
to be treated, honor andrespect your parents, don't do
anything illegal, do not murderand that list of agreements we
have in society that keep us allsafe and productive and happy.
You want your kids to be happyand not end up in jail.
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Or how about kids on drugs?
You think that's not gonna ruintheir life?
They're drinking and drivingand this and that, and smoking
weed and taking - come on! Thelist goes on.
We have to be responsible forthe next generation and if you
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can't even handle your ownfamily, how can you handle your
city or your government?
I mean seriously if we can'teven protect and raise our own
family, you know?
So this is a real, real, vitaltarget around the world to prep
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our kids and to face the worldand not just throw them to the
dogs.
And that is a society that willmake it.
When we're destroying our ownchildren, that is a society
that's over, it's done, it'sgone, it's cut its own throat.
And a society that's misused orabused their children is gone.
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You just look at history.
And then from there, you canstart looking further outward
and work on education pointsthat take it to the next level,
which would be things like howto study more effectively.
And you have other communityprograms and so forth that are
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wonderful and can be easilytaught and anybody, even with a
low IQ, can understand, usingvideos.
There's so much good materialout there.
So if there's so much goodmaterial, why are there such
intense problems?
So this gets down to leadership.
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You have to have good leadership, powerful leadership, strong
leadership and people workingtogether, united with a common
purpose.
You have to have all of usworking together.
You have an organization, youhave an organism.
We have to, as an organism,flow energy throughout the
organism and communicatethroughout the organism and not
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have one part of the body not bein good communication with the
brain, with the foot or the arm,and you're punching yourself,
you know, poking your eyes out.
In society, even at the lowestlevels, we have to unite with
good leadership, people who arenot vested interests, people who
are not benefiting from your -you being stupid or in the dark
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or being on drugs and addictedto drugs and all these things
and that's only a few peoplethat think like that.
It's not everybody, it's just afew and those people do not,
should not be in positions ofpower.
The people in positions ofpower are the people who mean
well for the greater good, andthat is what we're working on
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every single day, bringingpeople together.
We have - I have activitieshappening in many, many
countries.
We're working very hard tobring people together, to bring
leadership together, to providethem with ammunition and tools
and knowledge and skill so thatthey can take more, better
responsibility for those undertheir care.
So that's a little bit aboutwhat we're doing.
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There's a lot more like ourhuman rights program and so
forth, but that's really givesyou a good summary.
Did that answer your question?
Ryan Kimball (12:21):
Yeah, that's awesome, amazing.
I have to ask you.
I heard that you used some ofthe technology of The Way to
Happiness or something, to helpavert a war in Africa that was
pending, or something like that,and I wanted to hear that story
as well, if you don't mind.
Cary Goulston (12:41):
No, I don't mind, I'm pretty much an open book.
That's one of my - that's areal highlight, that situation
that - I had what's called aLife Improvement Center, five
miles from the Pentagon, outsideof Washington and Virginia.
I had a Life Improvement Centerinside of a malls.
Can you imagine that?
I've had two of those.
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I've never seen one before andI haven't seen one since.
But we had all kinds of peoplecoming in there.
Even a senator came in there.
Pentagon people, embassy people, military people, people from
all - many different embassies.
We had all kinds of peoplecoming into our Life Improvement
Center to look at the bookstore, to get more information, to
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try to get help with their lives.
We all need help.
And as proud as you are and youhave degrees on your walls,
doesn't matter, you need help,you need help.
And you know, it's a reallysmart person who knows they
don't know, who knows thatthey're missing some knowledge
somewhere.
It's a really smart person,high IQ person, who knows that
they're missing a few things andthey're looking to fill that
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gap.
And I'll tell you, a lot ofpeople are - they have flaws in
their personality and they knowit and they kind of cover that
up and so forth with drinkingand different ways.
They might be eating - theymight have - I mean, we all have
something.
But it's really the personwho's really tries to do
something about it.
Unfortunately, you don't alwaysget the correct information and
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that could lead a person to nottry anymore.
Oh, I tried.
I'm depressed, beat my wife,hit my kids, whatever they do
and I didn't know where to go,so I just didn't go anywhere.
And that's a sad tale.
But let me get to the point onwhat we're talking about, which
is -So, I had that Life Improvement
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Center and I ended up getting aperson from Sudan came in and he
told me they had been readingThe Way to Happiness and they
saw that chapter, Do Not Murder.
And the person said, Mr.
Cary, Mr.
Cary, my country needs Way toHappiness.
And I said, Why?
He says, We have a war, Mr.
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Cary.
We have a war in our country.
Now, I didn't know anythingabout Sudan.
I've never met anybody fromSudan.
I don't even know where - atthe time, I didn't even know
where it was.
I was pretty ignorant aboutthat country.
And it's about a million squaremiles, i t's a very large
landmass.
And he said, Mr.
Cary, my country has war formany years and we need Way to
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Happiness, and I'm thinking tomyself, rather than just
brushing it off, taking what hesaid to heart, like really
listening and really doingsomething, versus just listening
and saying, nothing I can do -we've all done that.
Really, really, really tried tolisten and really do something
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about what's being talked about.
So this is one of those raremoments where I said the right
thing and I said, if you reallywant to handle this war, bring
me to your leader.
I said, introduce me to themost influential Sudanese man or
person, and I will show themhow we might be able to help.
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And the next thing you know, Iwas in the Sudan embassy.
Ryan Kimball (16:01):
Oh my god.
Cary Goulston (16:03):
With the ambassador to Sudan, wearing my
suit and all prepared.
That was a very, veryinteresting - from the minute I
walked in there - it wasextremely interesting.
And I won't tell you all theinteresting little sub- stories
that were so cool andeye-opening, but I ended up - I
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ended up in the office.
You know, go up a littleelevator - in DC they have these
old, little old building, big,high ceilings, and cupid and,
and handcrafted - both justreally cool - the DC buildings,
the old embassies are justgorgeous.
I was up with the ambassador andhe was just this little man,
five feet two, very frail, kindof quiet man, shook my hand and
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I was - very delicately shookhis hand and I didn't want to
crush him - I have drummershands, I'm a drummer- Rrrrr! And
we sat down and I was tellinghim what Way to Happiness has
accomplished, and how it's acommon sense, non-religious
program used by military andother organizations
internationally, told him alittle bit about Russia and
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Columbia, their stories there,about the effectiveness and the
success of Way to Happiness, andI shared some of those photos
and then - looked at me.
I wasn't expecting this.
This was just a nice friendlyvisit with some coffee and a
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chat in this very ornate,gorgeous, you know, Sudan
embassy, with the ambassador,and I tried to treat it like
you're just another person andnot try to get all overwhelmed
above the power of position,just tried to be myself.
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I think that's a good strategyfor anybody who's just dealing
with leaders and so forth -they're people too, you know.
Don't get caught up in all thefanfare and the pomp and
circumstance.
The ambassador said something tome that was quite- kind of
caught me by surprise.
He said, Mr.
Cary, why is Mr.
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Bush bombing my hospitals?
And I just- you know, I can't,you can't even apologize for
stuff like that.
And I said, there are a fewpeople - and I just took some of
my studies that I had done fromMr.
Hubbard, been studying his workand his technology for many,
many decades and this was amoment where I needed, I needed
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something to explain what Iunderstood about what he's
talking about.
Why would anybody bomb ahospital, much less a country?
And what I understand about it,I explained to him, I said the
actions of a few people do notrepresent the intention of the
many.
That a few people do somethingdoes not mean the whole group is
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that way.
And I said the actions of thatperson does - is not what I
would do.
I am not, I am not political.
I do not represent these peopleand - and factually it's
shameful.
I would come up with othersolutions than bombing hospitals
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.
I could think of 9000 otherthings I could probably do, and
if it took an extra two monthsto sort it out, I think I have
enough patience andcommunication skill and
intelligence to do everythingpossible to solve problems
without killing people.
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But that's just me.
Not everybody thinks like that.
Most people do.
Most people have a conscienceand if they cause a baby to die
or somebody to die, they willreally, really be hurt by that
for a very long time.
They will be stunned, they willhave a conscience and they will
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feel extremely horrible for along time if they caused a death
as such.
That's called your socialpersonality.
We think like that, and I wentover that with the ambassador
and then I explained to him howcertain people do things like
that and try to control peoplefor their own ends.
There are certain people thatdo things like that, but that's
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not me and I showed him our Wayto Happiness helps to bring calm
, helps to bring civilization,helps to bring happiness, and it
works.
And he said, Mr.
Cary, you must come to mycountry and help stop the war,
and bring Way to Happiness, andintroduce it to the government
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and bring it to the people.
And he said, when would youlike to go?
And I said - that's what I didinside.
I didn't do that on the outside.
I was - I was a little bit like, wow, seriously?
- and I said, well, how, aboutin a month?
We set it up and I went on adiplomatic peace mission with
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the support of the Sudangovernment.
It was all hosted by theministry of foreign affairs and
it was very - it was a verypowerful peace mission.
W e were able to do quite a bitin a short amount of time, to
bring the message of The Way toHappiness to bring the materials
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to, to bring the concepts tomind.
Met with leaders from bothsides of the war that was going
on, we got books distributed andwithin three months, they
signed a peace treaty.
I can't say that we wereresponsible for that.
I can never say that, becauseI'm sure a lot has gone into
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that situation but I think itwas a spark.
I think it helped to help goodpeople to get in control of
circumstances.
But whatever you are, whateveryou're - it doesn't matter, as
long as we can agree onprinciples.
And The Way to Happines s isthat agreement that - you know -
we will not murder, we willtreat you as we want to be
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treated.
These are principles that havecarried off 8,000 years.
These are the codes of conductthat we can all agree to,
regardless of race, color, orcreed -intention here isn't to
make you become a believer.
The intention here is how do wework together even though we
have differences?
How do we coexist, not dropbombs on each other and more
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interested in the peoples ofplanet Earth?
That was definitely a turningpoint for me that caused me to
be more responsible for thepeople on this planet.
Ryan Kimball (23:01):
Wow, that's really incredible, Cary.
That's just awesome.
Cary Goulston (23:06):
Thank you.
That's a story little told.
Ryan Kimball (23:10):
Yeah, I bet!
Cary Goulston (23:13):
That story is - I don't know, I get a chance to
tell it - I left out a fewreally beautiful parts, but you
know, I tried to keep it concise.
But that story is filled withmagical moments.
I don't mean to sound like aDisney movie, but it - that,
that whole experience was justeye-opening.
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And you know, something -everybody should experience that
- how to bring improvementsinto an area of the world that's
not doing well, like Israelright now.
There's no need.
We're in the 21st century.
Somebody's creating that warfor their own ends.
All you have to do is createagreement not to do that.
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And that's done through commonsense, it's not done through
bullets.
You can't force people to thinkcertain ways.
I mean they try and continue totry, but you can't blow people
up and blow people into a bettercommunity or a better
communication.
You have to actually engage.
You have to communicate andhave agreement and have
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discussions and you have to worktogether until your
disagreements are worked out.
People are dropping bombs oneach other?
That's some - that is an enemyof both countries at hard at
work.
It's a finance person, it's avested interest, it's a criminal
behind that.
There is a criminal or acriminal organization - that, no
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question - behind that fight.
You see a husband and wifefighting.
You don't see the mother-in-lawfeeding those two false
information about each other,making them fight.
You do not see the hidden thirdparty.
I mean, people can do their ownresearch.
I'm not a big political guy, butsomebody's stoking the fire,
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and you know, if I had a millionor a trillion dollars, I could
walk over there right now andjust put an end to it in two
seconds.
I mean, really anybody withsome kind of energy and clout
could make things better.
So if somebody's making thingsworse, well, why would you do
that?
Some insane reason.
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There is no rational reason forwar, because there's never a
rational outcome for war.
There's no rational - a husbandand wife hitting each other
with pans never has a goodoutcome.
What has a good outcome is yousit at a table and you iron out
your differences and youcontinue to communicate until
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you can finally work out yourdifferences.
And if that takes six months,that's what you're doing.
At least nobody's dying overyour inability to communicate.
Ryan Kimball (25:57):
Yeah, I know - totally agree, totally totally.
Well, let me ask you this,because a lot of the people who
are going to be listening tothis are interested in the
education aspect of the workyou've done.
Cary Goulston (26:09):
A lot of people are going to be listening to
this - that's exciting.
Really, your lowest level ofeducation is, you know, what
people have done to you.
But it's not always the bestmethod of education.
Really, you have insanity carryon through the ages or fixed
ideas or things that are notworkable carried down through
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the ages through this method.
But you need upgrades.
You can't just have an iPhone21 that's worse than an iPhone
one, because that's how wealways do it.
You have to have - they havecomplaints come in and they look
at that and they try to fixthose bugs.
They try to handle those bugsand they work on upgrading it so
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they have a better product.
So that's upgraded phones.
We see that every six months.
We don't see that witheducation.
Education is stuck.
It's a stuck picture on thewall that looks the same year
after year after year.
But I'm sorry, it has some big,big problems.
I mean, you're not a parentbecause you have kids.
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You're a parent because youknow what you're doing and you
know how to handle thosedifficult situations, like what
happens when the kids cry, andyou have a few options there.
How do you handle an unruly,defiant child?
You beat them over the head,you scream at them?
There's different methods.
Where's your tools?
What tools do you have, parents?
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So our first big problem in theUnited States - we had 2
million divorces last year inthe US.
I don't know if you knew aboutthis statistic.
It's really very interesting -50% of all marriages end in
divorce in the US.
That's despicable.
That's a nightmare for children, broken homes.
People don't generally knowthis, but your first government
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is your family.
If you can't even handle yourown family, how are you going to
handle your community?
If we can't handle our ownchildren, how are we going to do
anything outside of that?
Training is required to raisechildren.
It really is.
I'm sorry.
You have to have somecommunication skills.
You have to know what you'redoing.
Training is required.
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Now where do you go for yourparental training?
I mean, really, where do you go?
You read Dr Spock, or what doyou read?
What do you do?
I mean, what do people do toraise their children?
And I guarantee you they justused their - how they were
raised.
Now, my parents beat us everysingle day with the fist and
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with the belts and there was alot of screaming and a lot of
yelling in my house every day.
My mom went crazy.
She got married and had -started having kids, at 16 years
old.
She wasn't prepared and by thetime she was 20, she was
absolutely - had gone bonkers.
She couldn't handle thepressure.
She couldn't handle all thosekids running around and doing
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all those things you're doing.
That's training.
If you're going to cook a meal,you should probably know what
you're doing.
I'm not going to eat your foodif you're not trained.
OK, so that's the same thing.
You don't get a license if youdon't train on driving a car.
Where's your training?
So, we're really missing theball on this one - not training
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parents, so we need a trainingprogram for parents where they
can come in and get some simpletraining that's going to really
help them and see them throughthose difficult, dark times.
Now, what about training onmarriage?
50% of our marriages end indivorce.
You don't think people know howto have a marriage?
They don't.
How do you keep a marriagegoing?
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And all this cheating andthis's and that's.
Training.
We can help people with that.
We can help people with theirmarriage.
It is a beautiful thing - I'vebeen married 23 years.
It's a beautiful thing, if youcan really make that work.
I needed some training and Idid - I did marriage courses.
I did three marriage courses -really, really helpful.
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So that's education at thislowest level and now you build
it up from there - how do youstudy?
Well, a lot of dropouts and alot of people having trouble in
school, committing suicide.
I know there's a lot ofpressure with taking tests and a
lot of pressure and a lot ofpain connected to education.
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Kids going to school with badmarks, can't pay attention,
having trouble, bullying - allthese things going on in school.
Education can be very painful.
We have some tools andinformation and technology - I'm
serious - that was developed byMr.
Hubbard that makes educationquite productive and quite
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successful.
Been educated for a long timeand I can promise you, my
story's rags to riches.
I can promise you we can helpanybody to be able to study more
effectively and moresuccessfully and that is really
big news because a lot of peoplegoing to school, they come out
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of school with a degree andthey're doing something else -
collecting garbage or working ina grocery store, or whatever -
I mean, there's all kinds ofstories, but I'm just saying
that if you can have really goodsuccess as a student, instead
of piling one class on top ofanother, you have six classes
and you're like, overwhelmed andyou're not doing well and
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you're not getting it and - youknow, we have info - we have
tools to figure out - how thestudent can figure out how to
overcome those barriers tolearning and that - we have
training for that.
There's a website,appliedscholastics.
org - appliedscholastics.
org - wonderful.
And, by the way, the freee-book for the children's Way to
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Happiness - I should havementioned it earlier, is
goodchoicesebook.
org.
That's - that Children's CommonSense booklet is an e-book and
if you get it early, your lifewill be professional.
You can start your own company.
You can have a skill, becausereally education is about
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developing skills.
You can do things, not justmemorize, unless you're all
going to go on a game show anddo - win all this money from
Jeopardy or something.
If you're all going to count onyour memory as your skill,
you're not going to have a veryhappy life.
I mean, I'm not saying youwon't, but memory is not what
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we're going for in education.
Passing a test is OK, butreally what we're going for
skill development.
You can do things.
You can type, you can build,you can write.
You want to be a writer, youcan write.
You have that skill development, your communication skill.
You want to be a speaker.
It's all about education,really, and this is really cool.
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Education is about skilldevelopment.
What can you do?
Because what you can do is yourexchange with the world for
valuables.
What you can do is your valueto yourself and your confidence
and your personal pride.
What you can do is what you cangive the world or your
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community in exchange for avaluable.
You want to be an automechanic, you want to be a
dancer - that skill is needed.
You have to be professional atsomething and then - and then
hopefully, that something iswhat your passion is.
Hopefully that something thatyou want to do for your life is
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something that you love and thatyou give and you do
professionally and you getsomething for that work you do.
And it's all about reading withunderstanding, applying what
you read and having the toolsfor study and then developing
your skill so you can becomeprofessional at what you want to
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excel at.
Ryan Kimball (34:09):
Awesome, I love it .
(Thank you.
) Yeah! So, I've got about 10minutes before I've got to run.
Is there anything else you'dlike to cover?
Cary Goulston (34:19):
Is there anything else you want to ask?
How about you?
Do you have any curiositiesabout anything?
I mean, how about somethingthat's near and dear to your
heart that you would love toknow more about?
Let's make this really personalfor you and therefore extremely
important.
Ryan Kimball (34:36):
OK, I really - I'm all about helping people become
more competent, which youtouched on, and I really like
that.
Helping young people - part ofthe reason we're doing the
Competence Institute - becomemore competent, creates a better
tomorrow.
You have such an intimateknowledge of this.
What are the most importantthings that you'd relay about
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creating competence for youngadults?
Cary Goulston (35:01):
Really great questions, really brilliant.
Ok, so competency is covered intwo books.
It's covered in the How to MakeGood Choices book.
There's a whole chapter oncompetency.
Very important to excel, to dowell at something and The Way to
Happines s has a chapter andit's broken down to how can you
be competent?
And let's just keep it very,very simple.
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You have your ability toobserve things and look and make
up your mind, and this is avery important ability to be
able to look and observe and tocome to a conclusion.
Because that's the mostimportant thing you have is your
ability to observe and come toa new understanding of something
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.
Isn't that what learning is allabout?
Is having new understanding andto understand how to do things
better.
This is why learning for me isa lifelong thing.
I learn every week, I studyevery week, but competency goes
above and beyond knowledge.
Competencies is how you areable to execute, use the
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information that you have inyour head.
So you observe and you come toa conclusion, and then you take
that information and you applyit to the real world.
Then you have a newunderstanding that it does
certain things.
If you're learning how to playthe piano or you're learning how
to play drums or singing, youYou observe and then you apply,
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and then you work things out andimprove what you're doing,
doing by enhancing yourknowledge and your ability to
apply.
So you read and apply, read andapply.
Watch -something- something -apply.
Information is great.
Information is not - I wouldsay information is about as
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valuable as you can apply it,but when you apply it, it's
really when things really cometogether.
When you apply that informationyou studied and see it working,
you have now developed aworkable piece of information
that when you do blah - here'smy remote.
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When I press this button, itturns on, every time.
When I press this button, ittakes me to a specific station.
You know, that's like a reallykind of really simpleton example
.
But when you develop yourunderstandings from reading,
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observing, asking questions,doing research, applying what
you've read, applying whatyou've read, applying what
you've read, doing exercises,writing it out on paper, going
to see how it works - go, youknow, you put yourself into the
action and then you'rediscovering what's working and
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you drill it and you practiceand you drill and you practice
and you drill and you practiceand you continue to improve your
technique 'til you becomeprofessional, expert at some
given area.
A great chef will go studyother chefs and see how they do
it and they might incorporatesome of what they do to their
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already existing level ofexpertise, their level of what
they do.
I can make toast and I can makethis and I can make that, but
you know, I see how he's doingthat and that's interesting.
Go to Paris and observe and youknow, you just constantly
working on becoming really,really effective.
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This is what competency is allabout.
You can't just be great at onething if you're living life and
not be great at other things.
So for me, as an example,people are very important to me.
So I've spent a lot of timeunderstanding and applying what
I've learned in the area ofpeople - counseling,
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communication, management,consulting.
You know, I'm not like a stiffperson where I'm like Hi, how
are you?
I'm good.
I'm not afraid of people, butI'm also not gullible.
I've made a lot of mistakes.
I've mistreated people, I'vebeen mistreated, but I've still
learned to become a much, muchbetter person - friend, husband,
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dad, just keep working on allthese parts of my life, bit by
bit.
Done some communicationtraining.
It's really helped tremendously.
Speaker training if you likespeaking, public speaking, then
take a communication course andyou will become a much, much
better speaker, more interesting, and surround yourself with
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really good people.
Surround yourself withprofessional people.
Surround yourself with peoplethat mean well for you and make
you happy and boost you up andsupport you.
Surround yourself with theright people and keep at arms
length those people that makeyou feel bad about yourself.
Keep at arms length thosepeople that really cause you to
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feel sick and miserable and theycriticize you and that kind of
thing.
They're always talking aboutwho died and the bad things that
are going on in their life.
You know, you have to controlyour environment.
You just have to control yourenvironment.
You can't just be everybody'spunching bag and therefore your
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most powerful tool in dealingwith people is your
communication skill.
That will get you so far, nomatter what you're doing.
Everybody does a communicationtraining - everybody - and if
you have kids, you need it.
You have the staff you need it.
You just need it, and I've donelike four communication
training courses.
I'm not - I could do anotherone right now.
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I mean, it's been a few years,but you can see that my
communication isn't all that bad.
When people are talking to me,I really, really can listen
comfortably.
I don't feel the urge to runaway or look down, or my drift -
my attention drifts off andthen they notice I'm not
listening to them and they getupset - is like communication is
really important and there aretools in the world to really
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help you with all these areas oflife so you can be the best
person that you wanna be andhave a very high quality life,
which is what we wish for you.
Ryan Kimball (41:30):
That's awesome.
Thank you, Cary.
This has been an honor, veryenlightening and humbling and
invigorating all at the sametime.
Cary Goulston (41:45):
This is great.
I appreciate your including me.
Ryan Kimball (41:48):
Awesome yeah, thank you.
Cary Goulston (41:49):
All right, thank you, man.
In this episode we are honored to welcome Cary
Goulston, a titan in the fieldof education and a beacon of
hope for communities around theworld.
Cary is not just an educator.
He's a visionary whose work hastranscended boundaries and
transformed lives.
Cary is the president of theGlobal Pioneers Inc, an
organization at the forefront ofeducational reform and
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humanitarian efforts.
His journey is nothing short ofinspiring, taking him from the
classrooms of Boston to theremote regions of Nigeria and
Brazil, impacting lives in everycorner of the globe.
But what truly sets Cary apartis his revolutionary work with
study technology and The Way toHappiness.
These aren't just programs.
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They're catalysts for change,tools that have empowered
countless individuals with theskills and moral compass
necessary to navigate andimprove the complex world we
live in.
So buckle up as we explore thelife and the mission of a man
who's not just shaping educationbut is helping to reshape our
future.
Let's get started.
If you won't mind telling me alittle bit, Cary, about the
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common sense approach to helpingyoung adults and your
experience with that andguidance on that.
Cary Goulston (01:13):
Okay, I think I've been around enough to know,
from Boston to Nigeria, fromBrazil to Bangladesh, from the
poorest to the richest.
I think I've been around quitea long time and trying to reach
people and help people for somany decades.
I think I have a really goodestimation and a good judgment
and opinion about the state ofaffairs.
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I've observed from correctionalfacilities to high schools,
from elementary school toworking with teachers.
I've worked at every singlelevel, from being a consultant
and training thousands ofexecutives and colleagues to
helping workers.
I've worked at every level ofsociety and more than once.
And so, that being said, not asto be braggadocious, but more
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like from a point ofpracticality I think there's a
really important subject, so I'mreally glad you're interested,
I'm really glad that you'retaping this and I'm glad that
you're asking me, because Idon't think we have enough
interest in the world to makechanges.
So, you have insanity,irrationality and status quo all
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tied into education.
It kind of makes things alittle difficult.
They're going to make sure thateducation is backward or
ineffective and swear by it.
But I'll tell you how we knoweducation is so brutal and so
behind the times and soineffective.
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I mean, I'm not disregardingall the great engineers and ice
cream makers and car mechanicsand all the wonderful bakers and
things that we have that arereally workable.
That doesn't take away from anyof that whatsoever.
On the larger scope of things,75% of the world lives in
poverty and that is unacceptable.
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That is a product of a horrific, if not horrendous,
international education system.
Three out of four people onplanet Earth may live on $1- 2 a
day.
I can tell you I can go aroundthe world and see it.
250,000 orphans in Haiti andBrazil.
And here's the positive newsabout all this.
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Most of these people,governments and so forth, really
know they're screwed, they knowthey're a mess, they know
they're in trouble, they knowthey need help.
I've worked with so manygovernments.
It warms my heart to know thatthere are people in high places
that do want improved education.
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And we work with those peoplein making inroads where we are
allowed to partner and where weare allowed to bring in new
technology and new educationmethods.
I can cite to you, I can speakto you now blatantly and openly
about how disgusting educationis around the world.
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I can prove it with my eyesclosed.
Anybody can see it if you golook.
I've been to way too manyschools.
But you know, the news andpeople specialized in pointing
out what was wrong with mankind,how evil they are and how
horrible things are, and peoplespecialized in pointing that out
.
We don't need another persondoing that.
What we need, what we need iseffective, practical programs
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that are getting the job doneand in the direction of upgraded
education, improved educationfor one and all.
Now, what's improved education?
The community doing well, youknow - prospering, production
and activities and creativityand bright thinkers and all
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these things that you wouldexpect if you were logical about
the whole thing.
What would you expect of animproved education situation?
Students would love going toschool.
People would be coming homehelping mommy and daddy around
the house.
People wouldn't be stealing orbreaking into schools or robbing
all the time.
People wouldn't be rapinglittle girls or turning to
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prostitution.
The worst of it all is thismassive drug epidemic where last
year in the US there were 13million crimes.
Now I can tell you in lookingat some crime stats, which only
is useful if it results in youbeing able to do a better job.
I'm not talking from some ivorytower, I'm talking from a guy
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who's on the ground working very, very hard to improve education
every single day.
I'm on the ground and I canprove that.
But the point is, in Floridathe FBI would report and anybody
can see this report for yourstate, wherever you live, your
country, for wherever you liveand do a look at it - the crime
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rate.
And I'll tell you specifically: in Florida last year there were (06:04):
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675,000 violent crimes.
Now the FBI defines violentcrimes as murder, rape, burglary
, arson.
They have five of thosefelonies they consider violent
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crimes.
In Florida.
Last year, per the FBI, therewere 675,000 violent crimes
committed in Florida.
Now hold your hat, 75% of thoseare committed by 12 to 19 year
olds.
So, per the FBI, three out ofevery four violent crimes
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committed in this state arecommitted by teenagers.
Now here's the brainstorm onthis.
It wouldn't happen if youngpeople were taught common sense
principles, moral common sense,how we live with each other,
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common sense codes to live by,common sense principles,
starting at seven years old,eight years old, nine years old,
10 years old, leading up tothat point, 12 years old, where
the teenager becomes rebellious,with the teenager is trying to
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fight for their own independence.
They become very susceptible togangs and all these things that
you see that are happening,that are tearing down the
prosperity of any country or anycommunity.
I don't have to say it, we seeit.
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I don't have to say anything.
We already know this ishappening.
We just, we - maybe we don'tknow it's happening, but I think
we get a sense that things are,things are not okay.
So the handling, becauseinformation is only as valuable
as it results in doing somethingabout it.
We can shock each other towhere we're lying, hiding in a
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corner from fear.
But that's the goal of themedia.
You're being shocked intopaying attention.
You're being shocked intotaking drugs.
You know, this is likeextortion.
I don't, I'm not doing that.
I'm giving you the statistics tosay that if we help our young
people at an early age learnabout these common-sense
principles (08:39):
Don't take harmful drugs, treat others how you want
to be treated, honor andrespect your parents, don't do
anything illegal, do not murderand that list of agreements we
have in society that keep us allsafe and productive and happy.
You want your kids to be happyand not end up in jail.
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Or how about kids on drugs?
You think that's not gonna ruintheir life?
They're drinking and drivingand this and that, and smoking
weed and taking - come on! Thelist goes on.
We have to be responsible forthe next generation and if you
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can't even handle your ownfamily, how can you handle your
city or your government?
I mean seriously if we can'teven protect and raise our own
family, you know?
So this is a real, real, vitaltarget around the world to prep
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our kids and to face the worldand not just throw them to the
dogs.
And that is a society that willmake it.
When we're destroying our ownchildren, that is a society
that's over, it's done, it'sgone, it's cut its own throat.
And a society that's misused orabused their children is gone.
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You just look at history.
And then from there, you canstart looking further outward
and work on education pointsthat take it to the next level,
which would be things like howto study more effectively.
And you have other communityprograms and so forth that are
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wonderful and can be easilytaught and anybody, even with a
low IQ, can understand, usingvideos.
There's so much good materialout there.
So if there's so much goodmaterial, why are there such
intense problems?
So this gets down to leadership.
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You have to have good leadership, powerful leadership, strong
leadership and people workingtogether, united with a common
purpose.
You have to have all of usworking together.
You have an organization, youhave an organism.
We have to, as an organism,flow energy throughout the
organism and communicatethroughout the organism and not
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have one part of the body not bein good communication with the
brain, with the foot or the arm,and you're punching yourself,
you know, poking your eyes out.
In society, even at the lowestlevels, we have to unite with
good leadership, people who arenot vested interests, people who
are not benefiting from your -you being stupid or in the dark
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or being on drugs and addictedto drugs and all these things
and that's only a few peoplethat think like that.
It's not everybody, it's just afew and those people do not,
should not be in positions ofpower.
The people in positions ofpower are the people who mean
well for the greater good, andthat is what we're working on
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every single day, bringingpeople together.
We have - I have activitieshappening in many, many
countries.
We're working very hard tobring people together, to bring
leadership together, to providethem with ammunition and tools
and knowledge and skill so thatthey can take more, better
responsibility for those undertheir care.
So that's a little bit aboutwhat we're doing.
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There's a lot more like ourhuman rights program and so
forth, but that's really givesyou a good summary.
Did that answer your question?
Ryan Kimball (12:21):
Yeah, that's awesome, amazing.
I have to ask you.
I heard that you used some ofthe technology of The Way to
Happiness or something, to helpavert a war in Africa that was
pending, or something like that,and I wanted to hear that story
as well, if you don't mind.
Cary Goulston (12:41):
No, I don't mind, I'm pretty much an open book.
That's one of my - that's areal highlight, that situation
that - I had what's called aLife Improvement Center, five
miles from the Pentagon, outsideof Washington and Virginia.
I had a Life Improvement Centerinside of a malls.
Can you imagine that?
I've had two of those.
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I've never seen one before andI haven't seen one since.
But we had all kinds of peoplecoming in there.
Even a senator came in there.
Pentagon people, embassy people, military people, people from
all - many different embassies.
We had all kinds of peoplecoming into our Life Improvement
Center to look at the bookstore, to get more information, to
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try to get help with their lives.
We all need help.
And as proud as you are and youhave degrees on your walls,
doesn't matter, you need help,you need help.
And you know, it's a reallysmart person who knows they
don't know, who knows thatthey're missing some knowledge
somewhere.
It's a really smart person,high IQ person, who knows that
they're missing a few things andthey're looking to fill that
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gap.
And I'll tell you, a lot ofpeople are - they have flaws in
their personality and they knowit and they kind of cover that
up and so forth with drinkingand different ways.
They might be eating - theymight have - I mean, we all have
something.
But it's really the personwho's really tries to do
something about it.
Unfortunately, you don't alwaysget the correct information and
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that could lead a person to nottry anymore.
Oh, I tried.
I'm depressed, beat my wife,hit my kids, whatever they do
and I didn't know where to go,so I just didn't go anywhere.
And that's a sad tale.
But let me get to the point onwhat we're talking about, which
is -So, I had that Life Improvement
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Center and I ended up getting aperson from Sudan came in and he
told me they had been readingThe Way to Happiness and they
saw that chapter, Do Not Murder.
And the person said, Mr.
Cary, Mr.
Cary, my country needs Way toHappiness.
And I said, Why?
He says, We have a war, Mr.
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Cary.
We have a war in our country.
Now, I didn't know anythingabout Sudan.
I've never met anybody fromSudan.
I don't even know where - atthe time, I didn't even know
where it was.
I was pretty ignorant aboutthat country.
And it's about a million squaremiles, i t's a very large
landmass.
And he said, Mr.
Cary, my country has war formany years and we need Way to
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Happiness, and I'm thinking tomyself, rather than just
brushing it off, taking what hesaid to heart, like really
listening and really doingsomething, versus just listening
and saying, nothing I can do -we've all done that.
Really, really, really tried tolisten and really do something
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about what's being talked about.
So this is one of those raremoments where I said the right
thing and I said, if you reallywant to handle this war, bring
me to your leader.
I said, introduce me to themost influential Sudanese man or
person, and I will show themhow we might be able to help.
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And the next thing you know, Iwas in the Sudan embassy.
Ryan Kimball (16:01):
Oh my god.
Cary Goulston (16:03):
With the ambassador to Sudan, wearing my
suit and all prepared.
That was a very, veryinteresting - from the minute I
walked in there - it wasextremely interesting.
And I won't tell you all theinteresting little sub- stories
that were so cool andeye-opening, but I ended up - I
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ended up in the office.
You know, go up a littleelevator - in DC they have these
old, little old building, big,high ceilings, and cupid and,
and handcrafted - both justreally cool - the DC buildings,
the old embassies are justgorgeous.
I was up with the ambassador andhe was just this little man,
five feet two, very frail, kindof quiet man, shook my hand and
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I was - very delicately shookhis hand and I didn't want to
crush him - I have drummershands, I'm a drummer- Rrrrr! And
we sat down and I was tellinghim what Way to Happiness has
accomplished, and how it's acommon sense, non-religious
program used by military andother organizations
internationally, told him alittle bit about Russia and
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Columbia, their stories there,about the effectiveness and the
success of Way to Happiness, andI shared some of those photos
and then - looked at me.
I wasn't expecting this.
This was just a nice friendlyvisit with some coffee and a
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chat in this very ornate,gorgeous, you know, Sudan
embassy, with the ambassador,and I tried to treat it like
you're just another person andnot try to get all overwhelmed
above the power of position,just tried to be myself.
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I think that's a good strategyfor anybody who's just dealing
with leaders and so forth -they're people too, you know.
Don't get caught up in all thefanfare and the pomp and
circumstance.
The ambassador said something tome that was quite- kind of
caught me by surprise.
He said, Mr.
Cary, why is Mr.
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Bush bombing my hospitals?
And I just- you know, I can't,you can't even apologize for
stuff like that.
And I said, there are a fewpeople - and I just took some of
my studies that I had done fromMr.
Hubbard, been studying his workand his technology for many,
many decades and this was amoment where I needed, I needed
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something to explain what Iunderstood about what he's
talking about.
Why would anybody bomb ahospital, much less a country?
And what I understand about it,I explained to him, I said the
actions of a few people do notrepresent the intention of the
many.
That a few people do somethingdoes not mean the whole group is
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that way.
And I said the actions of thatperson does - is not what I
would do.
I am not, I am not political.
I do not represent these peopleand - and factually it's
shameful.
I would come up with othersolutions than bombing hospitals
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.
I could think of 9000 otherthings I could probably do, and
if it took an extra two monthsto sort it out, I think I have
enough patience andcommunication skill and
intelligence to do everythingpossible to solve problems
without killing people.
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But that's just me.
Not everybody thinks like that.
Most people do.
Most people have a conscienceand if they cause a baby to die
or somebody to die, they willreally, really be hurt by that
for a very long time.
They will be stunned, they willhave a conscience and they will
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feel extremely horrible for along time if they caused a death
as such.
That's called your socialpersonality.
We think like that, and I wentover that with the ambassador
and then I explained to him howcertain people do things like
that and try to control peoplefor their own ends.
There are certain people thatdo things like that, but that's
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not me and I showed him our Wayto Happiness helps to bring calm
, helps to bring civilization,helps to bring happiness, and it
works.
And he said, Mr.
Cary, you must come to mycountry and help stop the war,
and bring Way to Happiness, andintroduce it to the government
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and bring it to the people.
And he said, when would youlike to go?
And I said - that's what I didinside.
I didn't do that on the outside.
I was - I was a little bit like, wow, seriously?
- and I said, well, how, aboutin a month?
We set it up and I went on adiplomatic peace mission with
(21:17):
the support of the Sudangovernment.
It was all hosted by theministry of foreign affairs and
it was very - it was a verypowerful peace mission.
W e were able to do quite a bitin a short amount of time, to
bring the message of The Way toHappiness to bring the materials
(21:40):
to, to bring the concepts tomind.
Met with leaders from bothsides of the war that was going
on, we got books distributed andwithin three months, they
signed a peace treaty.
I can't say that we wereresponsible for that.
I can never say that, becauseI'm sure a lot has gone into
(22:03):
that situation but I think itwas a spark.
I think it helped to help goodpeople to get in control of
circumstances.
But whatever you are, whateveryou're - it doesn't matter, as
long as we can agree onprinciples.
And The Way to Happines s isthat agreement that - you know -
we will not murder, we willtreat you as we want to be
(22:26):
treated.
These are principles that havecarried off 8,000 years.
These are the codes of conductthat we can all agree to,
regardless of race, color, orcreed -intention here isn't to
make you become a believer.
The intention here is how do wework together even though we
have differences?
How do we coexist, not dropbombs on each other and more
(22:49):
interested in the peoples ofplanet Earth?
That was definitely a turningpoint for me that caused me to
be more responsible for thepeople on this planet.
Ryan Kimball (23:01):
Wow, that's really incredible, Cary.
That's just awesome.
Cary Goulston (23:06):
Thank you.
That's a story little told.
Ryan Kimball (23:10):
Yeah, I bet!
Cary Goulston (23:13):
That story is - I don't know, I get a chance to
tell it - I left out a fewreally beautiful parts, but you
know, I tried to keep it concise.
But that story is filled withmagical moments.
I don't mean to sound like aDisney movie, but it - that,
that whole experience was justeye-opening.
(23:33):
And you know, something -everybody should experience that
- how to bring improvementsinto an area of the world that's
not doing well, like Israelright now.
There's no need.
We're in the 21st century.
Somebody's creating that warfor their own ends.
All you have to do is createagreement not to do that.
(23:57):
And that's done through commonsense, it's not done through
bullets.
You can't force people to thinkcertain ways.
I mean they try and continue totry, but you can't blow people
up and blow people into a bettercommunity or a better
communication.
You have to actually engage.
You have to communicate andhave agreement and have
(24:20):
discussions and you have to worktogether until your
disagreements are worked out.
People are dropping bombs oneach other?
That's some - that is an enemyof both countries at hard at
work.
It's a finance person, it's avested interest, it's a criminal
behind that.
There is a criminal or acriminal organization - that, no
(24:42):
question - behind that fight.
You see a husband and wifefighting.
You don't see the mother-in-lawfeeding those two false
information about each other,making them fight.
You do not see the hidden thirdparty.
I mean, people can do their ownresearch.
I'm not a big political guy, butsomebody's stoking the fire,
(25:04):
and you know, if I had a millionor a trillion dollars, I could
walk over there right now andjust put an end to it in two
seconds.
I mean, really anybody withsome kind of energy and clout
could make things better.
So if somebody's making thingsworse, well, why would you do
that?
Some insane reason.
(25:25):
There is no rational reason forwar, because there's never a
rational outcome for war.
There's no rational - a husbandand wife hitting each other
with pans never has a goodoutcome.
What has a good outcome is yousit at a table and you iron out
your differences and youcontinue to communicate until
(25:45):
you can finally work out yourdifferences.
And if that takes six months,that's what you're doing.
At least nobody's dying overyour inability to communicate.
Ryan Kimball (25:57):
Yeah, I know - totally agree, totally totally.
Well, let me ask you this,because a lot of the people who
are going to be listening tothis are interested in the
education aspect of the workyou've done.
Cary Goulston (26:09):
A lot of people are going to be listening to
this - that's exciting.
Really, your lowest level ofeducation is, you know, what
people have done to you.
But it's not always the bestmethod of education.
Really, you have insanity carryon through the ages or fixed
ideas or things that are notworkable carried down through
(26:30):
the ages through this method.
But you need upgrades.
You can't just have an iPhone21 that's worse than an iPhone
one, because that's how wealways do it.
You have to have - they havecomplaints come in and they look
at that and they try to fixthose bugs.
They try to handle those bugsand they work on upgrading it so
(26:51):
they have a better product.
So that's upgraded phones.
We see that every six months.
We don't see that witheducation.
Education is stuck.
It's a stuck picture on thewall that looks the same year
after year after year.
But I'm sorry, it has some big,big problems.
I mean, you're not a parentbecause you have kids.
(27:13):
You're a parent because youknow what you're doing and you
know how to handle thosedifficult situations, like what
happens when the kids cry, andyou have a few options there.
How do you handle an unruly,defiant child?
You beat them over the head,you scream at them?
There's different methods.
Where's your tools?
What tools do you have, parents?
(27:33):
So our first big problem in theUnited States - we had 2
million divorces last year inthe US.
I don't know if you knew aboutthis statistic.
It's really very interesting -50% of all marriages end in
divorce in the US.
That's despicable.
That's a nightmare for children, broken homes.
People don't generally knowthis, but your first government
(27:57):
is your family.
If you can't even handle yourown family, how are you going to
handle your community?
If we can't handle our ownchildren, how are we going to do
anything outside of that?
Training is required to raisechildren.
It really is.
I'm sorry.
You have to have somecommunication skills.
You have to know what you'redoing.
Training is required.
(28:18):
Now where do you go for yourparental training?
I mean, really, where do you go?
You read Dr Spock, or what doyou read?
What do you do?
I mean, what do people do toraise their children?
And I guarantee you they justused their - how they were
raised.
Now, my parents beat us everysingle day with the fist and
(28:39):
with the belts and there was alot of screaming and a lot of
yelling in my house every day.
My mom went crazy.
She got married and had -started having kids, at 16 years
old.
She wasn't prepared and by thetime she was 20, she was
absolutely - had gone bonkers.
She couldn't handle thepressure.
She couldn't handle all thosekids running around and doing
(29:02):
all those things you're doing.
That's training.
If you're going to cook a meal,you should probably know what
you're doing.
I'm not going to eat your foodif you're not trained.
OK, so that's the same thing.
You don't get a license if youdon't train on driving a car.
Where's your training?
So, we're really missing theball on this one - not training
(29:23):
parents, so we need a trainingprogram for parents where they
can come in and get some simpletraining that's going to really
help them and see them throughthose difficult, dark times.
Now, what about training onmarriage?
50% of our marriages end indivorce.
You don't think people know howto have a marriage?
They don't.
How do you keep a marriagegoing?
(29:45):
And all this cheating andthis's and that's.
Training.
We can help people with that.
We can help people with theirmarriage.
It is a beautiful thing - I'vebeen married 23 years.
It's a beautiful thing, if youcan really make that work.
I needed some training and Idid - I did marriage courses.
I did three marriage courses -really, really helpful.
(30:08):
So that's education at thislowest level and now you build
it up from there - how do youstudy?
Well, a lot of dropouts and alot of people having trouble in
school, committing suicide.
I know there's a lot ofpressure with taking tests and a
lot of pressure and a lot ofpain connected to education.
(30:29):
Kids going to school with badmarks, can't pay attention,
having trouble, bullying - allthese things going on in school.
Education can be very painful.
We have some tools andinformation and technology - I'm
serious - that was developed byMr.
Hubbard that makes educationquite productive and quite
(30:50):
successful.
Been educated for a long timeand I can promise you, my
story's rags to riches.
I can promise you we can helpanybody to be able to study more
effectively and moresuccessfully and that is really
big news because a lot of peoplegoing to school, they come out
(31:10):
of school with a degree andthey're doing something else -
collecting garbage or working ina grocery store, or whatever -
I mean, there's all kinds ofstories, but I'm just saying
that if you can have really goodsuccess as a student, instead
of piling one class on top ofanother, you have six classes
and you're like, overwhelmed andyou're not doing well and
(31:31):
you're not getting it and - youknow, we have info - we have
tools to figure out - how thestudent can figure out how to
overcome those barriers tolearning and that - we have
training for that.
There's a website,appliedscholastics.
org - appliedscholastics.
org - wonderful.
And, by the way, the freee-book for the children's Way to
(31:53):
Happiness - I should havementioned it earlier, is
goodchoicesebook.
org.
That's - that Children's CommonSense booklet is an e-book and
if you get it early, your lifewill be professional.
You can start your own company.
You can have a skill, becausereally education is about
(32:14):
developing skills.
You can do things, not justmemorize, unless you're all
going to go on a game show anddo - win all this money from
Jeopardy or something.
If you're all going to count onyour memory as your skill,
you're not going to have a veryhappy life.
I mean, I'm not saying youwon't, but memory is not what
(32:37):
we're going for in education.
Passing a test is OK, butreally what we're going for
skill development.
You can do things.
You can type, you can build,you can write.
You want to be a writer, youcan write.
You have that skill development, your communication skill.
You want to be a speaker.
It's all about education,really, and this is really cool.
(33:00):
Education is about skilldevelopment.
What can you do?
Because what you can do is yourexchange with the world for
valuables.
What you can do is your valueto yourself and your confidence
and your personal pride.
What you can do is what you cangive the world or your
(33:23):
community in exchange for avaluable.
You want to be an automechanic, you want to be a
dancer - that skill is needed.
You have to be professional atsomething and then - and then
hopefully, that something iswhat your passion is.
Hopefully that something thatyou want to do for your life is
(33:45):
something that you love and thatyou give and you do
professionally and you getsomething for that work you do.
And it's all about reading withunderstanding, applying what
you read and having the toolsfor study and then developing
your skill so you can becomeprofessional at what you want to
(34:07):
excel at.
Ryan Kimball (34:09):
Awesome, I love it .
(Thank you.
) Yeah! So, I've got about 10minutes before I've got to run.
Is there anything else you'dlike to cover?
Cary Goulston (34:19):
Is there anything else you want to ask?
How about you?
Do you have any curiositiesabout anything?
I mean, how about somethingthat's near and dear to your
heart that you would love toknow more about?
Let's make this really personalfor you and therefore extremely
important.
Ryan Kimball (34:36):
OK, I really - I'm all about helping people become
more competent, which youtouched on, and I really like
that.
Helping young people - part ofthe reason we're doing the
Competence Institute - becomemore competent, creates a better
tomorrow.
You have such an intimateknowledge of this.
What are the most importantthings that you'd relay about
(34:57):
creating competence for youngadults?
Cary Goulston (35:01):
Really great questions, really brilliant.
Ok, so competency is covered intwo books.
It's covered in the How to MakeGood Choices book.
There's a whole chapter oncompetency.
Very important to excel, to dowell at something and The Way to
Happines s has a chapter andit's broken down to how can you
be competent?
And let's just keep it very,very simple.
(35:24):
You have your ability toobserve things and look and make
up your mind, and this is avery important ability to be
able to look and observe and tocome to a conclusion.
Because that's the mostimportant thing you have is your
ability to observe and come toa new understanding of something
(35:50):
.
Isn't that what learning is allabout?
Is having new understanding andto understand how to do things
better.
This is why learning for me isa lifelong thing.
I learn every week, I studyevery week, but competency goes
above and beyond knowledge.
Competencies is how you areable to execute, use the
(36:16):
information that you have inyour head.
So you observe and you come toa conclusion, and then you take
that information and you applyit to the real world.
Then you have a newunderstanding that it does
certain things.
If you're learning how to playthe piano or you're learning how
to play drums or singing, youYou observe and then you apply,
(36:40):
and then you work things out andimprove what you're doing,
doing by enhancing yourknowledge and your ability to
apply.
So you read and apply, read andapply.
Watch -something- something -apply.
Information is great.
Information is not - I wouldsay information is about as
(37:03):
valuable as you can apply it,but when you apply it, it's
really when things really cometogether.
When you apply that informationyou studied and see it working,
you have now developed aworkable piece of information
that when you do blah - here'smy remote.
(37:23):
When I press this button, itturns on, every time.
When I press this button, ittakes me to a specific station.
You know, that's like a reallykind of really simpleton example
.
But when you develop yourunderstandings from reading,
(37:45):
observing, asking questions,doing research, applying what
you've read, applying whatyou've read, applying what
you've read, doing exercises,writing it out on paper, going
to see how it works - go, youknow, you put yourself into the
action and then you'rediscovering what's working and
(38:07):
you drill it and you practiceand you drill and you practice
and you drill and you practiceand you continue to improve your
technique 'til you becomeprofessional, expert at some
given area.
A great chef will go studyother chefs and see how they do
it and they might incorporatesome of what they do to their
(38:28):
already existing level ofexpertise, their level of what
they do.
I can make toast and I can makethis and I can make that, but
you know, I see how he's doingthat and that's interesting.
Go to Paris and observe and youknow, you just constantly
working on becoming really,really effective.
(38:48):
This is what competency is allabout.
You can't just be great at onething if you're living life and
not be great at other things.
So for me, as an example,people are very important to me.
So I've spent a lot of timeunderstanding and applying what
I've learned in the area ofpeople - counseling,
(39:12):
communication, management,consulting.
You know, I'm not like a stiffperson where I'm like Hi, how
are you?
I'm good.
I'm not afraid of people, butI'm also not gullible.
I've made a lot of mistakes.
I've mistreated people, I'vebeen mistreated, but I've still
learned to become a much, muchbetter person - friend, husband,
(39:32):
dad, just keep working on allthese parts of my life, bit by
bit.
Done some communicationtraining.
It's really helped tremendously.
Speaker training if you likespeaking, public speaking, then
take a communication course andyou will become a much, much
better speaker, more interesting, and surround yourself with
(39:53):
really good people.
Surround yourself withprofessional people.
Surround yourself with peoplethat mean well for you and make
you happy and boost you up andsupport you.
Surround yourself with theright people and keep at arms
length those people that makeyou feel bad about yourself.
Keep at arms length thosepeople that really cause you to
(40:14):
feel sick and miserable and theycriticize you and that kind of
thing.
They're always talking aboutwho died and the bad things that
are going on in their life.
You know, you have to controlyour environment.
You just have to control yourenvironment.
You can't just be everybody'spunching bag and therefore your
(40:35):
most powerful tool in dealingwith people is your
communication skill.
That will get you so far, nomatter what you're doing.
Everybody does a communicationtraining - everybody - and if
you have kids, you need it.
You have the staff you need it.
You just need it, and I've donelike four communication
training courses.
I'm not - I could do anotherone right now.
(40:57):
I mean, it's been a few years,but you can see that my
communication isn't all that bad.
When people are talking to me,I really, really can listen
comfortably.
I don't feel the urge to runaway or look down, or my drift -
my attention drifts off andthen they notice I'm not
listening to them and they getupset - is like communication is
really important and there aretools in the world to really
(41:20):
help you with all these areas oflife so you can be the best
person that you wanna be andhave a very high quality life,
which is what we wish for you.
Ryan Kimball (41:30):
That's awesome.
Thank you, Cary.
This has been an honor, veryenlightening and humbling and
invigorating all at the sametime.
Cary Goulston (41:45):
This is great.
I appreciate your including me.
Ryan Kimball (41:48):
Awesome yeah, thank you.
Cary Goulston (41:49):
All right, thank you, man.
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