August 11, 2025 • 50 mins
What's the connection between joy and opportunity, and why do we complicate both? This question forms the heart of our illuminating conversation with wellness advocate Jean Goldman, who shares her journey from successful advertising executive to health transformation specialist.
"It's not what you gather in life, but what you scatter that tells what kind of life you've lived," Jean reveals, setting the tone for a discussion that challenges conventional thinking about success and fulfillment. After witnessing a standing-room-only funeral for someone her age, Jean experienced a profound shift in how she measures impact—moving from accumulation to contribution.
The conversation delves into why we often stand in our own way when opportunity knocks. Fear emerges as a primary culprit—fear of failure, judgment, or the unknown—causing us to overthink and retreat to comfortable familiarity rather than embrace possibility. Jean shares practical wisdom about setting reasonable expectations that challenge without overwhelming, helping listeners recognize how unrealistic goals can sabotage both joy and opportunity.
Health forms an unexpected cornerstone of the discussion as Jean connects physical wellbeing directly to our capacity for joy and opportunity. "You get one body to do all the things you want in life," she emphasizes, drawing from her personal experience of losing her father at a young age. This sparked her passion for preventative health and led to her current mission helping others optimize their wellbeing naturally through LifeVantage.
Perhaps most powerful is Jean's approach to finding joy through gratitude and presence. She describes how listing things she's grateful for each morning and evening physically shifts her energy, creating space for opportunity and joy even during challenging times. In our hyperconnected world, she advocates occasionally putting down our phones to fully experience life's moments—finding that true joy often emerges when we're fully present rather than documenting everything.
Join us for this heartfelt exploration of how simplifying our approach to joy and opportunity can transform our lives, one mindful moment at a time. As Jean reminds us, "If you're not growing, you're dying"—and growth happens when we embrace both joy and opportunity with open arms.
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
Sometimes I wish we could go back to a time when
things weren't so complicated.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome to the Complexity of Toilet Paper, the
podcast that dives into theeveryday moments where we
overthink, hesitate or just getstuck.
I'm overthinking, I'm over.
I'm overthinking, let's hear itfor the toilet paper Through
honest conversations, unexpectedinsights and a whole lot of
(00:28):
humor.
Your hosts, Phyllis Martin,Mark Pollack and Al Emmerich,
are here to help you roll withit and make your life a little
less complicated.
One conversation at a time,that's right, dude.
The beauty of this is itssimplicity.
Speaking of which, it's time toenter the stall, Put the lid
down or not, depending Getcomfortable and roll with it.
(00:53):
Oh worry not, dear friend, it'sreally quite simple.
This is the complexity oftoilet paper.
The trio is here.
Phyllis says she wants tochange her name to Cookies McGee
.
Why?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Cookies, McGee it is.
I love cookies.
I think McGee goes with it.
Crispy, sweet chewy.
That's bringing me joy now.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Hey, here we go.
Hey, ladies and gentlemen, boysand girls, cats and dogs,
welcome to the Complexity ofToilet Paper with Mark Pollack,
Al Emrick and Cookies McGee.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
And Cookies McGee.
I think it works really well,but you know what you realize is
.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
You can't say it without a smile.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
No, you can't.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Right.
So if your name is CookiesMcGee, I mean, how could you be
a sad person?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
How could you ever be upset with me if you had to
look at me and know that my nameis Cookies McGee Right.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Hey, if you know of anybody named Cookies McGee in
the world, you need to messageus and let us know.
We want proof.
We don't need to say like, ohyeah, that used to be the
shortstop in my Little Leaguegame.
No, it's like, if you reallyknow somebody named Cookies
McGee, let's have them on theshow so that Phyllis can meet
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her hero.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I'm going to fly to wherever Cookies McGee is and
we're going to have a great timeand we're going to record from
there.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
If you ever wanted a snippet into understanding why
the hell we named this show theComplexity of Toilet Paper, that
was it.
Right there, that was it.
Hi, I am Al Emmerich, I'm MarkPollack and I'm Phyllis Martin.
So, before I introduce who ourguest is, I really want to share
(02:47):
with folks and get your takestoo when we all thought about
the topics for our shows because, again, the star of the show is
complexity and simplicity.
And what we're really doingjust in case you are joining us
for the first time is we look atdifferent aspects of life, you
(03:10):
know joy, happiness, pain,sorrow, finances, faith,
conflict.
I mean, really the only thingwe leave off the table is
politics, shocker and we explorehow different people in their
lives and their experiences havefound complexity and simplicity
(03:30):
within those things, whatstands in the way, and it's very
organic.
And I chose the topic of joy,and when we all agreed upon that
, we all smiled.
But the guest today is alsogoing to talk about opportunity,
and I think those two fittogether, obviously.
So, in my mind, if I had to sumup my value, equation, word,
(03:55):
why and impact for joy of whywe're exploring, that is the
word is confusion, word isconfusion.
Um, I think that a lot ofpeople get confused about what
joy looks like for them versuswhat the world tells them joy is
supposed to be, and I thinkthat's the same thing for
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opportunity.
Um, what is opportunity?
Uh, it depends on you know.
Opportunities is a lot ofdifferent things.
When you walk into a Starbucksor Panera or a coffee shop
anywhere and you meet somebody,that's opportunity.
But what is really opportunity?
And then do we overthink thingsor stand in our own way to to
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achieve opportunities, whetherit's a career, job, a job or
just friendships, or leapinginto a podcast, a job or just
friendships or leaping into apodcast?
And if you don't leap into theopportunity, then maybe you're
limiting your access to joy.
That's the way I see it,connected.
How about?
How about you guys?
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
I think joy is, for me,something that, regardless of
what's happening in the worldyou're, you're able to process
it and and it's a, it's a wellinside of you and the more
joyful and thankful that you are, I think then those bring in
(05:15):
those opportunities right,because you find joyful people
finding opportunity and growingin different ways.
So I'm excited about unpackingthis with our guest today and
talking through how she's takenthis well of joy to go and find
those opportunities and havethem attracted to her.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yes, thank you so much.
So I've been thinking aboutthis and for me it seems that
for some, joy gets overlooked,it's not even on the radar, it's
not something that peoplenecessarily think about, and or
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my own experience for many yearswas that I was not perhaps
entitled to joy, that if I feltthat supreme joy, that thing
that opened my heart, that justsent me fluttering around, that
beauty, then something bad wasgoing to happen to me as if the
lack of joy was an insurancepolicy to something else, safety
, insurance policy to somethingelse.
(06:29):
Safety, I don't know.
I don't know.
So, the more over the course ofmy life, that I've been able to
get to joy, and that can be inthe simplest things running Mark
the 5K the other day in therain, because I love walking in
the rain and running in the rainwas really joy-filled for me,
and I think that that joy iswhat I think.
Joy can open possibility andopportunity For me.
(06:52):
It has shifted my lens.
It shifts my lens in a veryparticular way.
So, like you, I'm ready to getinto it and get started.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Running in the rain brings me joy.
That is about as simple as itgets, and get started.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Running in the rain brings me joy.
That is about as simple as itgets.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I did get a cold after, but okay, that's all
right.
Well, that's just the simpletruth.
Okay, no more waiting for thestall door to open.
We are going to invite ourguest now, jean Goldman.
She is not only a friend of mine, who I've known since the early
90s when we were in radiotogether.
We've worked together over theyears, but she is one of those
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really truly dynamic changeagent people who lives her life
just with passion joy, which iswhat we're going to talk about
and has really made the most ofthe opportunities the other
thing we're going to be talkingabout.
But right now, what you canfind her doing is really helping
people find the passion intheir health and their life, and
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she's kind of like thispersonal GPS to wellness, and
she'll talk about that.
But where she began and where Ifirst saw her joy and learned
about opportunity and theconnections with people and
business and putting it alltogether, was back when we
started in radio together andshe had launched her own
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advertising agency in 2001, grewit into a multimillion dollar
business, but deep down she hadthis oh man, there's got to be
more out there, had this oh man,there's got to be more out
there and then in 2015, shediscovered this non-traditional
kind of business model thataligned with her mission to make
this bigger impact, and she'sgoing to talk about that.
But what she does is helppeople rewrite their stories,
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activate their lives, becomemore of who they were meant to
be.
Kind of one life-changingdecision at a time, and I
thought, wow, that would begreat, because we kind of talk
about how you can findsimplicity, one conversation at
a time.
So let's do it.
Let's bring Gene Goldman intothe stall.
On the complexity of toiletpaper, gene Goldman has entered
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the stall.
Gene, in 35 years we've knowneach other.
Did you ever think I would say,hey, gene Goldman has entered
the stall?
That's a little frightening yes.
It is and I want to make it.
I want to state it for therecord you and I have never been
in a bathroom stall together.
Correct, that is correct.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Correct, absolutely correct.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Mark and Phyllis look on skeptically.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
I'm glad you've cleared that up for us.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
I actually have photo evidence that Al and I were in
a bathroom stall together.
We do.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
We do.
Hey, we need to drop that photoin the show notes we do, we do.
Yes, let's do that, becausethat's the only reason people
would listen to this show is tosee you and I in a bathroom
stall together.
Um, I want to quote somethinghere, gene goldman it's not what
you gather in life, but whatyou scatter that tells what kind
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of life you've lived yes thatis your statement.
What does that mean to you?
Because that is, that's prettysimple, but yet I'm sure there's
a lot of complexity behind it.
But what does that mean to you?
It's not what you gather inlife, but what you scatter that
(10:20):
tells what kind of life you'velived that tells what kind of
life you've lived.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Well, I think it is simplistic but it's true,
because I think we spend a lotof time in our earlier careers
gathering stuff and that makesus, gives us status or it gives
us whatever you know.
But we feel like the more youhave, the more successful you
are.
But the reality of it is is,the more you give and the more
people, the more lives you touchis what really makes you
successful, in my opinion, andso it's not what I gather, it's
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not all the all I can grab.
It's more about what I canscatter, how I can impact
another life, how I can be afriend to somebody, how I can be
a better life partner to myhusband, how I can be a better
example for my kids, and I thinkit's really.
I attended a funeral years agowhen I was 46, and this really
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hit home at that time because Iwas 46 and the person who passed
away was 46.
And it was standing room onlyin this church.
In fact, I was outsidelistening on the speakers.
There was that many people andit really kind of touched my
heart that that many peopleshowed up to his funeral and
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that he made that much of animpact in people's lives and
that they wanted to attend that,and that really was, at the end
of the day.
No one's ever going to say,well, because you work so hard
for me, or you did this or youdo that, it's really because of
her or because of him.
They changed something in mylife.
That's what matters to me.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
So, jean, I'm just going to ask you directly give
us a little background aboutyour life today and what joy
looks like in your life today.
Because your work withLifeVantage, you're giving
health to people and you talk alot in your posts when you're
speaking to people, to the folksthat work with you, to your
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friends, about your joy.
What does joy look like and howdo you define that for yourself
today?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I think, for me, joy is enjoying what you do.
No, I've hated to use the wordtwice, but I really think it's
what brings you, what makes youhappy.
I feel like my life hasn'talways been what I consider
rainbows and unicorns, but Icertainly try to.
Always I feel like when you getwhat you focus on, and so
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there's some oh, I'm going to doit again there's crap in our
life and um, and I just thinkthat we could stay there or we
can actually say, okay, what'sgood in my life, what can I do?
How can I change the energy inmy body to be grateful for what
I have?
Because we all have wonderfulthings in our lives, In spite of
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the fact that we feel likewe're probably at our lowest low
sometimes.
And so that's how I find joy,even in the day-to-day is that I
focus on gratitude.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I list things I'm grateful for every morning when
I wake up, and I do it when I goto bed, and I just do my best
not always successful, but I domy best to stay with an attitude
of gratitude.
That's really how.
There's always something Idon't know if that answered the
question but create barriers tojoy, and again, subconsciously
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or sometimes consciously.
And what have you seenthroughout the course of your
professional life in terms ofthose barriers and how, from
your perspective, have you seenpeople work through them to find
their way to joy andopportunity?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I think you have to have a good circle of people and
if you don't, then you knowmaybe a spirituality about you,
that actually something that you, someone you can talk to.
I think that's important.
But I find that people getstuck in their own head and they
get stuck where they are.
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They think you know.
I mean, I think we've all beenthere, including myself.
I've been there.
Oh, woe is me.
Why did this happen to me?
You know, and we get stuckthere.
And you know I had a trainingone time years ago, back gosh,
late 80s, where they said youknow, when you're in a rut, it's
a shallow grave.
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And so it's like when you'rethere you're like, okay, I have
options.
But I like to be that friendthat can share options.
I like to be that friend whocan listen to people and say you
know, tell me about what you'vetried, tell me about you know
what's going on.
Let's try to collaborate andfigure out a way to get you out
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of this rut that you're in soyou can at least start making
steps in a positive direction.
But I think people really justget in their head.
I think they get, you know,they feel like they're the only
ones and they play that you knowcomparison game.
Or you know social media isprobably the worst about it.
You know they play thatcomparison game.
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They can't stay in their ownlane.
They don't know None of us knowwhat everybody's life is like.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Yeah, what do they say?
Comparison is the thief of joy.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yes, it is Exactly and it is.
And we and I, I've been guiltyof it.
You know, oh, she's, she'sdoing so much better than I am,
or whatever.
You know, we all go there andit's really it's kind of like
you just have to stay in yourlane and know that your journey
is your journey and everybody'sjourney is different.
(16:14):
And just because my journeymight right now be at a good
spot doesn't mean it's alwaysbeen there, and I think that we
just have to remind ourselves to.
If you want to wallow in it,wallow in it, but the world
stops for nobody.
You got to get back on and yougot to find a way to get out of
that rut and find a way to be,you know, be grateful again.
(16:36):
And I don't know, I kind of goin circles when I talk about
that, because it's hard toexplain that, but I really just
try to be a good, you know, forme.
I think people get stuck intheir head and for me I like to,
if you don't have a circle, ormaybe I can help in a way.
I mean, I've had conversationswith a lot of people recently
where they're just stuck andit's like you know, well, let's
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figure out a way to get out.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
You know, jean, it's one of those things where it's a
self-fulfilling prophecy a lotof times, right.
So you're depressed and it'stough to see the light.
And then you spend some timeand you see, listening to the
show, who are eithersituationally depressed,
clinically depressed, maybe justsad, and they don't have that
circle of people Would you sharewith us?
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Maybe, if you were to givesomeone a piece of advice you
didn't know, something that theycould take away, what would you
tell that person who maybedoesn't have anybody to go to?
Let's say you were their friend.
What would you tell them wouldbe the first step in helping see
that joy, that light.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Wow.
Well, I don't know if I can gohere or not, but I have a strong
faith and so I think that'swhere I would go first.
I think every person is amiracle.
I think every person has theirown unique gifts.
We're not all alike, and Ithink that I would probably say
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to them that I would encouragethem on all the things that they
bring to other people's lives.
We all are so unique and I liketo.
I write it every morning I am achild of God and I'm fearfully
and wonderfully made because Ido get stuck there, I do get you
know where.
You know it's like okay,because I'm hard on myself and
so I pick.
I'm always wanting to improve.
So for me, I've been there,I've been in that doldrum, I've
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had a lot of, I've had sometragedy in my life, and I would
just tell them I would be theirfriend and I would just say
listen.
And I would just tell them Iwould be their friend and I
would just say listen.
You know God loves you.
You are fearfully andwonderfully made, you are
perfect just the way you are,and we just have to find a way
to climb out together becauseyou were always in this spot and
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you don't have to be here.
You just don't have to stayhere.
So let's work together and letme help you.
I mean, I could tell you things.
It's hard because everyone'ssituation is different, but I
think that every person is agift to us.
We just have to be aware of andbe that person that reminds
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people what a gift they are.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
When you were in radio.
I'm sorry, it's hard.
No, don't be sorry, I meanthere's no sorries.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
There's no sorries.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Mark just went for the jugular of joy right away.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I'm going for the joy .
I'm getting depressed.
Yeah, Every person's different,though I mean you just.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, every person's different though.
I mean you just yeah.
So I want to zoom back out withyou for a minute to to
opportunity and enjoy.
Right in your career in radioyou were an account executive
and eventually management andall that.
But at the end of the day,there, as well as with your
advertising agency, you weredealing with people whose
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businesses they were relying onyou to help them promote.
So that to them was they werewallowing joyfully at first in
opportunity like radio was anopportunity for them to grow
their business that would leadthem to joy, business that would
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lead them to joy.
Today you work with a lot ofother individuals who are
following their dreams, justlike you do, to help other
people to make money and to makea living through health.
But you also see people standin their way and when we were
preparing for the show, wetalked a little bit about people
getting in their own head.
You just mentioned it.
Why do people overthink thingsLike?
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What are the things that you'veseen specifically that people
overthink?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I think people overthink, including myself,
that, you know.
Fear it's fear.
Fear of what people will think,fear of can I do it?
Fear what if I fail?
Fear people.
You know what will people say?
It's just all of those thingsthat we start doubting ourself.
We start losing our confidenceand our ability to go after the
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opportunity because we'recomfortable.
We're comfortable and we arecomfortable because we know
where we are.
We know, okay, yeah, I make acertain amount of money and I'm
comfortable, I'm good.
But we always have these dreamssomewhere else that we really
wish we could do them and Ithink we just doubt them.
I think we just don't believethat it's possible.
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Because I hear sometimes on myend but I think I've said it to
someone else too you know, well,I'm not like you, I don't have
your circle, I don't know thesepeople, I don't, you know, and
we just give ourselves all theseexcuses.
It is storming here.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
We hear that I thought you were just adding
that for dramatic effect.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
quite honestly, Since , while the flesh was not
available, I wanted to bring youthe storm.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
I was just thinking.
God heard your quote and Mark'squestion and was like oh, I
agree, yes, he is fearfully andwonderfully.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
So, yeah, I think we just doubt ourselves.
I think we get again what yousaid.
You get stuck and you're like,well, I don't think I can do it
and I'm not like you, and westart that comparison game again
, and or someone somewhere alongthe line has told us we can't.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
What about the business decisions?
Though you know you're you'remaking a buy, you know your
clients are making a buyingdecision, don't you think also
that there's so much informationout there I mean, there's more
now than there was back in theday when we were in radio?
You have way.
You know you didn't have theinternet like you have now
Google.
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Way, way back then you didn'thave artificial intelligence.
So when, on people's ways tomaking a decision, whether it's
a buying decision or a criticaldecision about their business,
what was standing in their waybesides fear?
And how did you simplify thingsfor people, if indeed you felt
you did?
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Well, I don't know about the fear that they felt,
other than they didn't want togive up their money because the
fear wouldn't work.
And I would just tell them Ican't control that.
All I can do is spend yourmoney like it's my money, which
I hope gave them some beliefthat I just wasn't in it for the
long haul.
But I think it's also buildinga relationship.
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But I think there is no way wecan predict how it's going to
come out, the outcome.
We can't do that.
Even when they spend a lot ofmoney, I can't predict whether
someone's going to buy.
There's so many other elementsinto it.
I mean Al, you know, I meanthere's that record, it was the
spot.
Does the spot convincing enough?
Does it get somebody to takeaction?
You know?
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Does it on a car dealership?
Does it rain all weekend andthey don't sell any cars?
You know there's just so it'smanaging expectations for one
and just knowing that, you knowthe alternative is, if your name
isn't out there, no one's goingto come.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
You know, jean, that's an interesting thing that
you mentioned.
As far as managing expectations, I think from a business
perspective we use that quite abit when we talk with leadership
or we talk with clients or wetalk with whomever it's managing
expectations.
But in a personal life, I don'tfind that we manage our own
expectations, like what can weaccomplish in a year, what can
we accomplish in five years,what can we accomplish in a
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lifetime?
And we set these unreasonableexpectations on ourselves and
likely on others, trying to getjoy from someone else when it's
something that you've got tobring to the table first.
And so I'm curious from yourperspective and the things that
that you've had to overcome andlikely what our listeners are
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trying to overcome in their ownworld, how, how do you set those
expectations, those realisticexpectations, so you can
continue to have joy andopportunity come into your life?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Well, I was always.
That's one thing I was good at.
I like to plan my goals andthen I reverse, engineer them
into what's possible.
And so, for instance, if I said, like when I was in sales, if I
said I was going to make 10calls or see 10 people a day,
have I ever done that before?
I don't know.
So you kind of like, well, ifI've not done that before, then
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can I do that every day?
Because chances are, if I try toset a lofty goal like something
like that, I mean because youknow you get stuck in someone's
office for two hours, you're notseeing 10 people in a day.
And so if I've never done thatbefore, is that a reasonable
expectation on myself?
Because I'm pretty sure ifthat's my goal, to do that every
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day of the week and do 50 callsa week, I'm going to fail the
first week if I've never done itbefore.
So I think it's important thatwe set goals, that you know,
when I do my best and I do mybest with my team, to say, okay,
what's reasonable and then gohigher, cause you know there's
that saying.
You know, shoot for the starsand you'll, you know, or shoot
for the moon, hit the star,whatever that is that one.
(26:34):
Anyway, I think and that's true,I think you can have very good
goals, but they have to be.
You'll stop working if you keepmissing, and so you have to.
You know you'll just stop doingit.
Then you'll never get your goal.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Yeah, I think that's a great point because a lot of
people you know they like, we'lltake the gym, for example
They'll set this goal that I'mgoing to go every day for two
hours and they've never been intheir life, and then, you know,
they're great the first week,maybe even the second week, and
then they miss a day and they'relike, yeah, you know, forget it
, I wasn't going to besuccessful at it, and it steals
that joy, rather than setting arealistic expectation and saying
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I could go two times this weekand meet that goal and celebrate
and get some joy from that andand and build upon that.
So no, I appreciate that, thankyou.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
You know, there's a there's like an underarching
question that I have, or ormaybe statement or premise, and
it's some combination, um ofmark and gene, what you've been
talking about, but it it seemsto me that part of the equation,
if we're talking aboutachieving joy, you know, and how
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to simplify our lives, to dothat would be some understanding
or knowing of what brings youjoy.
And I'm wondering how often, orfrom your experience, people
take a minute to.
Sometimes you just don't knowuntil you're absent it or until
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you're in a particular situation.
So there's that.
And then there is this togglebetween expectation and joy for
me.
And I can remember a time myhusband, tim, and I had just
bought this house.
I didn't love the house.
I was all famished about whatam I doing in this world?
(28:33):
How did I get here?
And I sat outside two daysafter we bought the house and
said, oh, this is your life,which was game changing for me,
because then it was a reset, youknow.
And then I had a choice Can Iaccept it and find the things in
it that bring me joy, or Idon't even know what.
(28:55):
The other thing is that?
So I think my like partstatement, part question is this
even identification of knowingwhat brings one joy of?
Speaker 2 (29:03):
knowing what brings one joy.
I think we all.
I think that's a great questionand I'm not sure I have the
right answer, but I think thatfor me, I usually ask people and
in doing that this is how I getthrough it myself is asking
myself you know, what do I want?
(29:24):
You know, I did an exerciseyears ago.
Someone literally said you knowwhat do you want?
And I'd say this I'm like, well, what do you want?
And you had to keep kind ofdigging and digging.
It's kind of like the you knowwhat's your why, whatever, and
then why?
Why is that your why?
And you keep digging until youpeel all the layers of the onion
back and you really do figureout you know what you want, and
I think there's a lot of people.
(29:45):
I think people have troublefinding what they really want.
I think they get into thisroutine and this you know cycle
and they settle because theythink that's as good as it's
going to get and they stopdreaming and they stop thinking
about what they really want.
And so I do think that, youknow, I think it becomes a
(30:07):
problem and I do think somepeople do lose sight of what
brings them joy.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Jean, before we shift into our speed round here, I
want to ask you one morequestion and bring it more
current in the standpoint of thework you're currently doing
with LifeVantage, and realquickly, just tell folks.
You know what is LifeVantage sowe understand you know this
business that you're in.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
So LifeVantage is a nutraceutical company, publicly
traded, and they have productsthat help people heal their body
inside and out.
Naturally, I am a big healthand wellness person.
I sadly watched my father die atthe age of 12, which is one of
(30:54):
the tragedies.
I say I lived my life and thatwas probably where I really came
like.
That's where I came up withthat, saying the world doesn't
stop for any of us because wehave to get back on.
But I watched that and I reallybecame like why, at the age of
46, would I lose someone soyoung?
And you just start to realizethat you know we got to take, we
(31:16):
get one body, we get one bodyand it's all we get and we have.
We go back to the joy and thedreams and the goals and all the
things you want to do in life.
You have one body to do it allin and we screw it up.
And I really just want to teachpeople how to get back on track
, to get healthier, to healtheir body from the inside out
(31:39):
and to live a longer andhealthier life so they can do
the things they want to do andthey can feel good enough to do
them.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Thank you for sharing that with us, jean.
No, the irony is that not onlydo all of us understand and feel
that, we've actually allrealized through our own journey
together that all of us haveexperienced loss at an early age
of a parent.
So well then, let's bring thisfull circle.
Health is anything but simple,and yet it in fact.
(32:12):
Most if you say health, theythink of health care, and that's
what gets complex.
But when I listen to you and Iread some of the things you
share with people, you make itpretty simple, and even the way
you just communicated health ispretty simple.
You got one body do the thingsto take care of it, and so I
(32:34):
would really be curious why,from a health perspective, do
you think that we struggle andmake life so much more
complicated?
Because health is directlyrelated to joy and opportunity.
Yes, yes, boy, that he speaksExclamation point.
(32:56):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Yeah, point Wow.
Well, I think we've become asociety of less is more in a
variety of ways, and I want todo less to achieve, you know,
health.
Or I want to, I don't, I don'twant to work hard for it, I just
want to take a pill forsomething, or I want to, you
(33:18):
know.
Just, you know I get reallyfrustrated with that because
it's not that easy.
I mean, you're never going totake, and probably it will make
some people mad, but you'renever.
The healthcare industry is notstacked in your favor, it is
stacked against you and they'renever going to create something
(33:38):
that's going to get you better,it's just going to put a bandaid
on it.
But we have the ability to healour body and you can take a
pill for something and neverchange your habits and guess
what?
You're never going to getbetter.
Or you can make an effort totake some positive steps in a
different direction to heal yourbody, and whether that's
(33:59):
through my products or it'sthrough just starting to walk
again or starting to make betterchoices in the food aisle of
the, you know, eat lessprocessed foods, all of those
things, you know, those aresteps that people can take to
just get themselves healthierBecause you know.
Then they say well, you know,eating that kind of good food is
expensive.
I'm like well, healthcare isexpensive, you know it's not.
(34:23):
I would rather be preventativeand never have to go through
that, and not then I would be tohave to go through that and
I've seen it.
I've seen it.
I've seen people go through itand I don't want to do that as
long as I can.
I mean, I'll be 64 next monthand I'm on zero medications and
(34:44):
I like to think I'm you know,according to my blood work, I'm
healthy and I want to stay thatway for as long as I can and
that's the goal that I wanteverybody to have.
Can I tell you that you're evergoing to get off medications?
No, but I can tell you that ifyou do all those, you know as
many right things as possible,great things can happen and you
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can live longer and you can playwith your grandchildren or you
can go on the trips and you canenjoy your life.
And you know, that's what it'sall about.
I don't want to be bogged downin a recliner, not being able to
move for the rest of my life infront of the TV.
That's just not what I want todo.
That may be good for somepeople, it's just not good for
me.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Sounds to me like what you're saying is we got to
really see the big picture.
That's really thesimplification right.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yeah, I just think that usually people I think the
last five or six years, becauseI've been with this company for
10 years and the last probablyfive years or so I think people
are becoming more and more awareof their health.
I think they're becoming moreand more aware of our food isn't
really food.
I think they're becoming moreaware of making better choices
(35:51):
and education is the key, andthat's really what I do and I
want to help people just makebetter choices and or at least
expose them to options so theycan live longer and have more
joy and more opportunity and allthe above, because it beats the
alternative.
(36:11):
Hell yeah, hell yeah, all right, preach, preach.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I mean, we got thunder and lightning going on.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
I know I'm going.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Speaking of thunder and lightning, it's time to step
into the stall, because this,ladies and gentlemen, is what we
call the rollout.
No.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Is it the rollout or the rollup?
I think it's the rollup.
It is the rollup.
I think.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
This, ladies and gentlemen, is called.
That's right, because we rollout at the end when we're done
with the show, right?
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Do you want me to get your notes for you?
Speaker 4 (36:51):
No, let's not overcomplicate it.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Yeah, let's just do it have.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
I overcomplicated it.
You of all people, no, so let'sjust do it.
Have I overcomplicated you?
Speaker 1 (37:00):
of all people?
No, okay.
So, jean, this is the speedround where we ask you
life-changing questions.
Are you ready?
Here we go.
Yes, when it comes to toiletpaper, over or under.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Over why.
Why not?
Because it's easier to find thejob, because it's easier to
pull over than it is to find itunder you kind of play with the
toilet?
Speaker 1 (37:29):
I don't know it just looks better, it looks better.
Okay, design All right, marksoft or hard?
Whoa Mark on toilet, whoa MarkOn toilet paper?
Mark, good Lord, mark.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
We don't know each other that well.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
I mean you just took this show.
I mean it's all right, wealready have it Edit, edit, edit
.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
Yeah, let's.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Wait, where's the razor?
Can you?
Speaker 1 (38:01):
you splice, I am not editing that part out oh great
hey okay, quick, quick sidebar.
Uh, can we?
Can we make sure we bring thefreaking questions with us?
I have them here somewhere allright, so, phil, I have one yeah
, you go mark is in timeout now.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Wet or dry.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Wet wipe or dry toilet paper.
So wet dry or wet dry.
You said dry.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
My choice is a wet wipe or dry toilet paper.
Yeah yeah, dry toilet paper.
This is really personal Okay.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
This is good stuff.
All right, one ply or two ply.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
That's what it was.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
One ply or two ply I don't what it was, one-ply or
two-ply, I don't know.
Two, I don't know.
Do they do that?
Speaker 1 (38:45):
anymore.
Yeah, I went to the dollarstore the other day and all they
sold was one-ply.
I was like who uses one-ply.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Oh, I definitely would like a little thicker than
one-ply.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Yes, yes, but one ply is cost effective In a pinch
you need it?
Speaker 2 (39:00):
No, it's not.
Yeah, but it's probablyindustrial strength, right?
No, you have to use so muchmore.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Do they make more than one or two ply?
I mean, I've never heard of athree ply.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
I guess, if I think they start, they make it quilted
.
They make them quilted, so it'snot really two ply, but it's
just a thicker.
Yeah See, they milk themquilted, so it's not really
two-ply, but it's just a thicker.
Yeah See, phyllis knows whatI'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Have you guys shopped for toilet paper.
We think about.
Let me just tell you, your lifeis going to change because
you're going to go into the damntoilet and you're going to
start thinking about things.
So here's the last question.
So here's the last question.
(39:49):
Um, what is, or has been, yourfavorite potty time activity?
Some people play on their phone, some people read, some people
whatever what's your?
No, you're shaking your head.
What?
Speaker 2 (39:59):
she just goes, I go to the bathroom.
So I, I, I have two boys.
Well they're, they're men now,but I, I grew up in a household
of men.
It is not a library, it is abathroom.
I don't know how their legsdon't go to sleep.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
I just if most of them do, they do.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Okay, yeah, it is, it is, it is.
Yeah, fortunately we have manybathrooms in our house, so when
they were younger I had options.
But believe me, it is.
It is a place to go to thebathroom and go, you're done all
right, I don't linger I don'tlinger.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
That should be.
Can hey make a note?
Let's do a t-shirt like with?
It has a toilet on it mark andit says I don't linger we could
have the cranberries as abackground song I was just
thinking.
There's a song linger, lingeroh god, I was thinking of
something else.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Anyway, oh, I don't want to go there.
No, it's time to flush it istime to flush.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
All right, we're going to close with one last
thing.
Thank you for being sotransparent, for bringing
yourself Some things that I kindof heard, we heard you know and
really being present.
Be reasonable when it comes toexpectations.
Also, find and define whatactually brings you joy, but be
(41:30):
willing to dig deep, correct?
Am I saying that, correct, jean?
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yeah, I think you well, you have to make an effort
to find joy sometimes, I mean,but not always.
I think you know you can have amultiple amount of days, of
great days in a row, whereyou're constantly you know
things are all going great andyou're always finding joy
because you know the sun isshining and life is good.
I think it's a question ofmaybe when it's not remind
(41:55):
yourself that how many days youhad prior or how many good days
you've had and this day willpass.
This too shall pass, and Ithink you just have to focus on
the good, Even when.
If you did an exercise where youwere just in the bloss and you
stopped to say what am Igrateful for?
(42:15):
What's something I could begrateful for?
Anything, I mean, just pick it.
And if you start doing that,you will literally feel the
energy shift in your body.
It is an amazing.
And if you can cut, if you canstack one on top of the other,
on top of the other, and thenmaybe just get, think of three
things, but your energy willshift and you'll realize at
least I hope so that you knowthis is something, but it's not
(42:38):
forever, it's just something now, and that you just move.
You can get past it becauseyou've done it before and you
can do it again.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
And also find the joy in the small moments.
It's sometimes the in-betweens,that is.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Yeah, you got to be present too.
I think we get stuck on ourphone, we get stuck multitasking
, we get stuck doing all thisstuff and if you're just, you
know, put the phone down.
Believe me, I do a lot of mybusiness on social media.
I have to remind myself to dropmy phone and just say I'm
present in the moment.
I've actually, I think you'veeven said I was like I didn't
take any pictures.
I couldn't believe it, becauseI've always taken pictures.
(43:15):
I'm like I didn't take anypictures.
I was totally present in themoment and I loved it.
And I think we do have to reallytake some time and, you know,
fill our own souls with what weneed so we can find more in
others.
Because that's I don't know.
I could get poetic, you know.
As a child I absolutely lovedverses and sayings, so I could
(43:37):
go on forever on all the onesI've done.
But I've done a lot of personaldevelopment and become, you
know, someone who wants tocontinue to grow, because, um,
you, you, you, if you're notgrowing, you're dying.
So I want to grow and I want tolearn, because I think we could
always be better versions ofourself every day.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Wow that, mark.
I think you have somecompetition for the mic drop.
More information is availablein the show notes regarding Jean
and her awesome life, thoughtsand career and how to get in
touch with her.
We'll be right back in thestall.
Hey there, we sure do.
Hope you're enjoying the showand if you are, please tell your
(44:20):
friends like it, share it, putit all over the place, because
we're not just doing a podcasthere, we're trying to start a
movement.
Okay, that was probably a badpun intended, by the way, but
seriously, the complexity oftoilet paper is about creating
conversations in places wherethings just don't need to be
that complicated.
It's about finding thesimplicity in life and if we
(44:43):
work together, you know what wethink we can actually achieve it
.
So follow us on Facebook, sharethe show, give us your comments
and come back and join us inthe stall.
You know we just spent somewonderful time talking with Gene
and I feel like we opened upanother pathway to really
(45:04):
understanding what are we reallydealing with with this issue of
joy.
Is it that people aren'tfinding joy?
Is it?
Phyllis?
I mean, I know you had somereal good thoughts on this yeah,
I think.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
I think we all want joy, no matter who you are.
Joy we.
We're on a search, a quest forjoy, and one of the reasons we
do this show is because we knowwe've talked to enough people,
we share our own stories, thatwe overcomplicate things that
don't need to be overcomplicated, and so it's why we're doing
(45:38):
the show.
What is it that stands in ourway of finding joy, and what
does the path to simplicity looklike?
And that is a struggle from dayto day sometimes, and it just
depends on everybody's going todo it in a different way and
find their own path and havetheir own issues, if you will,
(46:01):
when it comes to finding andbeing in the space of joy.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
That's what I loved about what you said, mark, when
you recapped what Gene hadtalked about, which was, you
know, really making this list.
Going through the action ofthis is what brings me joy, so
you can actually have kind of atarget right.
Speaker 4 (46:22):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's the simplest way to do
it right Is make a list what,what, how do you define joy in
your world and what brings youjoy, and then make a list of
what brings you joy and thensearch out those, those things.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Yes and identify when you're not feeling joy, what's
standing in my way of that?
Because sometimes it's assimple as reminding yourself I
have to have faith and whateverthat faith is in yourself and
God and a higher power.
Sometimes it's stopping andtaking a breath.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
And one could conversely ask themselves what
steals my joy, which issometimes for me more
identifiable than what brings mejoy.
Speaker 4 (47:04):
And she brought up something that is actually very
complex, which is comparison,and we compare our lives to
everybody else, whether it'sthrough social media, whether
it's in a neighborhood that youlive in, whether it's a car that
you drive, whatever the casemay be, you're you're, you're
comparing yourself, and and thatcomplexity can be eliminated,
um, through taking a look at aat a at a look at the positive
(47:28):
things that are happening inyour life not someone else's
life, in your life and notletting comparison steal that
joy.
Speaker 3 (47:35):
She started.
Jean started to talk about, um,energy and joy, and I think
about that more, and I thinkabout it both ways.
But what stood out to me was Iknow when something is stealing
my energy.
I am very aware of that, I canfeel it.
There are physical symptoms.
You all probably know it justfrom hanging out, from us
(47:59):
hanging out together.
There are things that stealenergy.
So I think there is this togglebetween energy giving and
energy stealing, if you will, aswe're talking about joy and so
much of this as I'm processingout this conversation that we
just had with her is aroundsimple old awareness.
(48:19):
We're moving so fast, doing amillion things.
Just simple awareness.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Life is hard, life is complex and this show is not
here to solve the problems.
It's here to just oftentimesset out reminders and we I think
the three of us have to bealways cognizant of the fact
that we are guides, becausewe're going to see the same
version, a different version ofthe same.
(48:47):
Answers show up a lot, andthat's okay because we have to
remind ourselves as much as wewant to remind and share the
folks that are joining us.
Speaker 4 (48:56):
I would say that growth happens when the light
shines on it, and our goal hereis to shine a light, and what
you do with that is up to youright and up to each of us, and
so my hope with the show is thatwe have guests like Jean who
(49:17):
share these methods ofsimplicity to put that light on
it and let it grow into our ownlives.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
Well said, how does he always end up being the king
of the stall?
Speaker 3 (49:31):
He holds it in, he is beautiful Until the very end,
until he can't hold it inanymore, and then he just drops
it.
Speaker 4 (49:40):
Wow, you're too kind.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
You didn't drop Phil anymore.
And then he just drops it.
Wow, you didn't drop phil, phil, you just.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
It's my first potty humor joke I think you know,
while we are audio only, thereare moments when I think that
you should really see um what,what's?
Speaker 4 (49:56):
that go.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Come on, let it go, phil, I want to see.
I'm taking a picture right now.
Drop it in the toilet.
You know deep down everybody.
What you don't know is this isPhil's secret plot to just have
her own joy filled because we'rehere for her.
(50:20):
Okay, okay, yes.
And with that we are going toput the seat down, flush, close
the door and see you the nexttime.
On the complexity of toiletpaper.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
Did you say toilet paper?
Everything complicated.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
One big, big mess.
I'm overthinking.
I'm over, I'm overthinking.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
This is the complexity of toilet paper.
Sometimes I wish we could go back to a time when
things weren't so complicated.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome to the Complexity of Toilet Paper, the
podcast that dives into theeveryday moments where we
overthink, hesitate or just getstuck.
I'm overthinking, I'm over.
I'm overthinking, let's hear itfor the toilet paper Through
honest conversations, unexpectedinsights and a whole lot of
(00:28):
humor.
Your hosts, Phyllis Martin,Mark Pollack and Al Emmerich,
are here to help you roll withit and make your life a little
less complicated.
One conversation at a time,that's right, dude.
The beauty of this is itssimplicity.
Speaking of which, it's time toenter the stall, Put the lid
down or not, depending Getcomfortable and roll with it.
(00:53):
Oh worry not, dear friend, it'sreally quite simple.
This is the complexity oftoilet paper.
The trio is here.
Phyllis says she wants tochange her name to Cookies McGee
.
Why?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Cookies, McGee it is.
I love cookies.
I think McGee goes with it.
Crispy, sweet chewy.
That's bringing me joy now.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Hey, here we go.
Hey, ladies and gentlemen, boysand girls, cats and dogs,
welcome to the Complexity ofToilet Paper with Mark Pollack,
Al Emrick and Cookies McGee.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
And Cookies McGee.
I think it works really well,but you know what you realize is
.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
You can't say it without a smile.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
No, you can't.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Right.
So if your name is CookiesMcGee, I mean, how could you be
a sad person?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
How could you ever be upset with me if you had to
look at me and know that my nameis Cookies McGee Right.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Hey, if you know of anybody named Cookies McGee in
the world, you need to messageus and let us know.
We want proof.
We don't need to say like, ohyeah, that used to be the
shortstop in my Little Leaguegame.
No, it's like, if you reallyknow somebody named Cookies
McGee, let's have them on theshow so that Phyllis can meet
(02:17):
her hero.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I'm going to fly to wherever Cookies McGee is and
we're going to have a great timeand we're going to record from
there.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
If you ever wanted a snippet into understanding why
the hell we named this show theComplexity of Toilet Paper, that
was it.
Right there, that was it.
Hi, I am Al Emmerich, I'm MarkPollack and I'm Phyllis Martin.
So, before I introduce who ourguest is, I really want to share
(02:47):
with folks and get your takestoo when we all thought about
the topics for our shows because, again, the star of the show is
complexity and simplicity.
And what we're really doingjust in case you are joining us
for the first time is we look atdifferent aspects of life, you
(03:10):
know joy, happiness, pain,sorrow, finances, faith,
conflict.
I mean, really the only thingwe leave off the table is
politics, shocker and we explorehow different people in their
lives and their experiences havefound complexity and simplicity
(03:30):
within those things, whatstands in the way, and it's very
organic.
And I chose the topic of joy,and when we all agreed upon that
, we all smiled.
But the guest today is alsogoing to talk about opportunity,
and I think those two fittogether, obviously.
So, in my mind, if I had to sumup my value, equation, word,
(03:55):
why and impact for joy of whywe're exploring, that is the
word is confusion, word isconfusion.
Um, I think that a lot ofpeople get confused about what
joy looks like for them versuswhat the world tells them joy is
supposed to be, and I thinkthat's the same thing for
(04:15):
opportunity.
Um, what is opportunity?
Uh, it depends on you know.
Opportunities is a lot ofdifferent things.
When you walk into a Starbucksor Panera or a coffee shop
anywhere and you meet somebody,that's opportunity.
But what is really opportunity?
And then do we overthink thingsor stand in our own way to to
(04:37):
achieve opportunities, whetherit's a career, job, a job or
just friendships, or leapinginto a podcast, a job or just
friendships or leaping into apodcast?
And if you don't leap into theopportunity, then maybe you're
limiting your access to joy.
That's the way I see it,connected.
How about?
How about you guys?
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
I think joy is, for me,something that, regardless of
what's happening in the worldyou're, you're able to process
it and and it's a, it's a wellinside of you and the more
joyful and thankful that you are, I think then those bring in
(05:15):
those opportunities right,because you find joyful people
finding opportunity and growingin different ways.
So I'm excited about unpackingthis with our guest today and
talking through how she's takenthis well of joy to go and find
those opportunities and havethem attracted to her.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yes, thank you so much.
So I've been thinking aboutthis and for me it seems that
for some, joy gets overlooked,it's not even on the radar, it's
not something that peoplenecessarily think about, and or
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my own experience for many yearswas that I was not perhaps
entitled to joy, that if I feltthat supreme joy, that thing
that opened my heart, that justsent me fluttering around, that
beauty, then something bad wasgoing to happen to me as if the
lack of joy was an insurancepolicy to something else, safety
, insurance policy to somethingelse.
(06:29):
Safety, I don't know.
I don't know.
So, the more over the course ofmy life, that I've been able to
get to joy, and that can be inthe simplest things running Mark
the 5K the other day in therain, because I love walking in
the rain and running in the rainwas really joy-filled for me,
and I think that that joy iswhat I think.
Joy can open possibility andopportunity For me.
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It has shifted my lens.
It shifts my lens in a veryparticular way.
So, like you, I'm ready to getinto it and get started.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Running in the rain brings me joy.
That is about as simple as itgets, and get started.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Running in the rain brings me joy.
That is about as simple as itgets.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I did get a cold after, but okay, that's all
right.
Well, that's just the simpletruth.
Okay, no more waiting for thestall door to open.
We are going to invite ourguest now, jean Goldman.
She is not only a friend of mine, who I've known since the early
90s when we were in radiotogether.
We've worked together over theyears, but she is one of those
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really truly dynamic changeagent people who lives her life
just with passion joy, which iswhat we're going to talk about
and has really made the most ofthe opportunities the other
thing we're going to be talkingabout.
But right now, what you canfind her doing is really helping
people find the passion intheir health and their life, and
(07:53):
she's kind of like thispersonal GPS to wellness, and
she'll talk about that.
But where she began and where Ifirst saw her joy and learned
about opportunity and theconnections with people and
business and putting it alltogether, was back when we
started in radio together andshe had launched her own
(08:13):
advertising agency in 2001, grewit into a multimillion dollar
business, but deep down she hadthis oh man, there's got to be
more out there, had this oh man,there's got to be more out
there and then in 2015, shediscovered this non-traditional
kind of business model thataligned with her mission to make
this bigger impact, and she'sgoing to talk about that.
But what she does is helppeople rewrite their stories,
(08:37):
activate their lives, becomemore of who they were meant to
be.
Kind of one life-changingdecision at a time, and I
thought, wow, that would begreat, because we kind of talk
about how you can findsimplicity, one conversation at
a time.
So let's do it.
Let's bring Gene Goldman intothe stall.
On the complexity of toiletpaper, gene Goldman has entered
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the stall.
Gene, in 35 years we've knowneach other.
Did you ever think I would say,hey, gene Goldman has entered
the stall?
That's a little frightening yes.
It is and I want to make it.
I want to state it for therecord you and I have never been
in a bathroom stall together.
Correct, that is correct.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Correct, absolutely correct.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Mark and Phyllis look on skeptically.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
I'm glad you've cleared that up for us.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
I actually have photo evidence that Al and I were in
a bathroom stall together.
We do.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
We do.
Hey, we need to drop that photoin the show notes we do, we do.
Yes, let's do that, becausethat's the only reason people
would listen to this show is tosee you and I in a bathroom
stall together.
Um, I want to quote somethinghere, gene goldman it's not what
you gather in life, but whatyou scatter that tells what kind
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of life you've lived yes thatis your statement.
What does that mean to you?
Because that is, that's prettysimple, but yet I'm sure there's
a lot of complexity behind it.
But what does that mean to you?
It's not what you gather inlife, but what you scatter that
(10:20):
tells what kind of life you'velived that tells what kind of
life you've lived.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Well, I think it is simplistic but it's true,
because I think we spend a lotof time in our earlier careers
gathering stuff and that makesus, gives us status or it gives
us whatever you know.
But we feel like the more youhave, the more successful you
are.
But the reality of it is is,the more you give and the more
people, the more lives you touchis what really makes you
successful, in my opinion, andso it's not what I gather, it's
(10:54):
not all the all I can grab.
It's more about what I canscatter, how I can impact
another life, how I can be afriend to somebody, how I can be
a better life partner to myhusband, how I can be a better
example for my kids, and I thinkit's really.
I attended a funeral years agowhen I was 46, and this really
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hit home at that time because Iwas 46 and the person who passed
away was 46.
And it was standing room onlyin this church.
In fact, I was outsidelistening on the speakers.
There was that many people andit really kind of touched my
heart that that many peopleshowed up to his funeral and
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that he made that much of animpact in people's lives and
that they wanted to attend that,and that really was, at the end
of the day.
No one's ever going to say,well, because you work so hard
for me, or you did this or youdo that, it's really because of
her or because of him.
They changed something in mylife.
That's what matters to me.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
So, jean, I'm just going to ask you directly give
us a little background aboutyour life today and what joy
looks like in your life today.
Because your work withLifeVantage, you're giving
health to people and you talk alot in your posts when you're
speaking to people, to the folksthat work with you, to your
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friends, about your joy.
What does joy look like and howdo you define that for yourself
today?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I think, for me, joy is enjoying what you do.
No, I've hated to use the wordtwice, but I really think it's
what brings you, what makes youhappy.
I feel like my life hasn'talways been what I consider
rainbows and unicorns, but Icertainly try to.
Always I feel like when you getwhat you focus on, and so
(12:52):
there's some oh, I'm going to doit again there's crap in our
life and um, and I just thinkthat we could stay there or we
can actually say, okay, what'sgood in my life, what can I do?
How can I change the energy inmy body to be grateful for what
I have?
Because we all have wonderfulthings in our lives, In spite of
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the fact that we feel likewe're probably at our lowest low
sometimes.
And so that's how I find joy,even in the day-to-day is that I
focus on gratitude.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I list things I'm grateful for every morning when
I wake up, and I do it when I goto bed, and I just do my best
not always successful, but I domy best to stay with an attitude
of gratitude.
That's really how.
There's always something Idon't know if that answered the
question but create barriers tojoy, and again, subconsciously
(14:04):
or sometimes consciously.
And what have you seenthroughout the course of your
professional life in terms ofthose barriers and how, from
your perspective, have you seenpeople work through them to find
their way to joy andopportunity?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I think you have to have a good circle of people and
if you don't, then you knowmaybe a spirituality about you,
that actually something that you, someone you can talk to.
I think that's important.
But I find that people getstuck in their own head and they
get stuck where they are.
(14:45):
They think you know.
I mean, I think we've all beenthere, including myself.
I've been there.
Oh, woe is me.
Why did this happen to me?
You know, and we get stuckthere.
And you know I had a trainingone time years ago, back gosh,
late 80s, where they said youknow, when you're in a rut, it's
a shallow grave.
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And so it's like when you'rethere you're like, okay, I have
options.
But I like to be that friendthat can share options.
I like to be that friend whocan listen to people and say you
know, tell me about what you'vetried, tell me about you know
what's going on.
Let's try to collaborate andfigure out a way to get you out
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of this rut that you're in soyou can at least start making
steps in a positive direction.
But I think people really justget in their head.
I think they get, you know,they feel like they're the only
ones and they play that you knowcomparison game.
Or you know social media isprobably the worst about it.
You know they play thatcomparison game.
(15:46):
They can't stay in their ownlane.
They don't know None of us knowwhat everybody's life is like.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Yeah, what do they say?
Comparison is the thief of joy.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yes, it is Exactly and it is.
And we and I, I've been guiltyof it.
You know, oh, she's, she'sdoing so much better than I am,
or whatever.
You know, we all go there andit's really it's kind of like
you just have to stay in yourlane and know that your journey
is your journey and everybody'sjourney is different.
(16:14):
And just because my journeymight right now be at a good
spot doesn't mean it's alwaysbeen there, and I think that we
just have to remind ourselves to.
If you want to wallow in it,wallow in it, but the world
stops for nobody.
You got to get back on and yougot to find a way to get out of
that rut and find a way to be,you know, be grateful again.
(16:36):
And I don't know, I kind of goin circles when I talk about
that, because it's hard toexplain that, but I really just
try to be a good, you know, forme.
I think people get stuck intheir head and for me I like to,
if you don't have a circle, ormaybe I can help in a way.
I mean, I've had conversationswith a lot of people recently
where they're just stuck andit's like you know, well, let's
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figure out a way to get out.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
You know, jean, it's one of those things where it's a
self-fulfilling prophecy a lotof times, right.
So you're depressed and it'stough to see the light.
And then you spend some timeand you see, listening to the
show, who are eithersituationally depressed,
clinically depressed, maybe justsad, and they don't have that
circle of people Would you sharewith us?
(17:40):
Maybe, if you were to givesomeone a piece of advice you
didn't know, something that theycould take away, what would you
tell that person who maybedoesn't have anybody to go to?
Let's say you were their friend.
What would you tell them wouldbe the first step in helping see
that joy, that light.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Wow.
Well, I don't know if I can gohere or not, but I have a strong
faith and so I think that'swhere I would go first.
I think every person is amiracle.
I think every person has theirown unique gifts.
We're not all alike, and Ithink that I would probably say
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to them that I would encouragethem on all the things that they
bring to other people's lives.
We all are so unique and I liketo.
I write it every morning I am achild of God and I'm fearfully
and wonderfully made because Ido get stuck there, I do get you
know where.
You know it's like okay,because I'm hard on myself and
so I pick.
I'm always wanting to improve.
So for me, I've been there,I've been in that doldrum, I've
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had a lot of, I've had sometragedy in my life, and I would
just tell them I would be theirfriend and I would just say
listen.
And I would just tell them Iwould be their friend and I
would just say listen.
You know God loves you.
You are fearfully andwonderfully made, you are
perfect just the way you are,and we just have to find a way
to climb out together becauseyou were always in this spot and
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you don't have to be here.
You just don't have to stayhere.
So let's work together and letme help you.
I mean, I could tell you things.
It's hard because everyone'ssituation is different, but I
think that every person is agift to us.
We just have to be aware of andbe that person that reminds
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people what a gift they are.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
When you were in radio.
I'm sorry, it's hard.
No, don't be sorry, I meanthere's no sorries.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
There's no sorries.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Mark just went for the jugular of joy right away.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I'm going for the joy .
I'm getting depressed.
Yeah, Every person's different,though I mean you just.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, every person's different though.
I mean you just yeah.
So I want to zoom back out withyou for a minute to to
opportunity and enjoy.
Right in your career in radioyou were an account executive
and eventually management andall that.
But at the end of the day,there, as well as with your
advertising agency, you weredealing with people whose
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businesses they were relying onyou to help them promote.
So that to them was they werewallowing joyfully at first in
opportunity like radio was anopportunity for them to grow
their business that would leadthem to joy, business that would
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lead them to joy.
Today you work with a lot ofother individuals who are
following their dreams, justlike you do, to help other
people to make money and to makea living through health.
But you also see people standin their way and when we were
preparing for the show, wetalked a little bit about people
getting in their own head.
You just mentioned it.
Why do people overthink thingsLike?
(21:08):
What are the things that you'veseen specifically that people
overthink?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I think people overthink, including myself,
that, you know.
Fear it's fear.
Fear of what people will think,fear of can I do it?
Fear what if I fail?
Fear people.
You know what will people say?
It's just all of those thingsthat we start doubting ourself.
We start losing our confidenceand our ability to go after the
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opportunity because we'recomfortable.
We're comfortable and we arecomfortable because we know
where we are.
We know, okay, yeah, I make acertain amount of money and I'm
comfortable, I'm good.
But we always have these dreamssomewhere else that we really
wish we could do them and Ithink we just doubt them.
I think we just don't believethat it's possible.
(22:00):
Because I hear sometimes on myend but I think I've said it to
someone else too you know, well,I'm not like you, I don't have
your circle, I don't know thesepeople, I don't, you know, and
we just give ourselves all theseexcuses.
It is storming here.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
We hear that I thought you were just adding
that for dramatic effect.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
quite honestly, Since , while the flesh was not
available, I wanted to bring youthe storm.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
I was just thinking.
God heard your quote and Mark'squestion and was like oh, I
agree, yes, he is fearfully andwonderfully.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
So, yeah, I think we just doubt ourselves.
I think we get again what yousaid.
You get stuck and you're like,well, I don't think I can do it
and I'm not like you, and westart that comparison game again
, and or someone somewhere alongthe line has told us we can't.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
What about the business decisions?
Though you know you're you'remaking a buy, you know your
clients are making a buyingdecision, don't you think also
that there's so much informationout there I mean, there's more
now than there was back in theday when we were in radio?
You have way.
You know you didn't have theinternet like you have now
Google.
(23:10):
Way, way back then you didn'thave artificial intelligence.
So when, on people's ways tomaking a decision, whether it's
a buying decision or a criticaldecision about their business,
what was standing in their waybesides fear?
And how did you simplify thingsfor people, if indeed you felt
you did?
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Well, I don't know about the fear that they felt,
other than they didn't want togive up their money because the
fear wouldn't work.
And I would just tell them Ican't control that.
All I can do is spend yourmoney like it's my money, which
I hope gave them some beliefthat I just wasn't in it for the
long haul.
But I think it's also buildinga relationship.
(23:52):
But I think there is no way wecan predict how it's going to
come out, the outcome.
We can't do that.
Even when they spend a lot ofmoney, I can't predict whether
someone's going to buy.
There's so many other elementsinto it.
I mean Al, you know, I meanthere's that record, it was the
spot.
Does the spot convincing enough?
Does it get somebody to takeaction?
You know?
(24:12):
Does it on a car dealership?
Does it rain all weekend andthey don't sell any cars?
You know there's just so it'smanaging expectations for one
and just knowing that, you knowthe alternative is, if your name
isn't out there, no one's goingto come.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
You know, jean, that's an interesting thing that
you mentioned.
As far as managing expectations, I think from a business
perspective we use that quite abit when we talk with leadership
or we talk with clients or wetalk with whomever it's managing
expectations.
But in a personal life, I don'tfind that we manage our own
expectations, like what can weaccomplish in a year, what can
we accomplish in five years,what can we accomplish in a
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lifetime?
And we set these unreasonableexpectations on ourselves and
likely on others, trying to getjoy from someone else when it's
something that you've got tobring to the table first.
And so I'm curious from yourperspective and the things that
that you've had to overcome andlikely what our listeners are
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trying to overcome in their ownworld, how, how do you set those
expectations, those realisticexpectations, so you can
continue to have joy andopportunity come into your life?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Well, I was always.
That's one thing I was good at.
I like to plan my goals andthen I reverse, engineer them
into what's possible.
And so, for instance, if I said, like when I was in sales, if I
said I was going to make 10calls or see 10 people a day,
have I ever done that before?
I don't know.
So you kind of like, well, ifI've not done that before, then
(25:50):
can I do that every day?
Because chances are, if I try toset a lofty goal like something
like that, I mean because youknow you get stuck in someone's
office for two hours, you're notseeing 10 people in a day.
And so if I've never done thatbefore, is that a reasonable
expectation on myself?
Because I'm pretty sure ifthat's my goal, to do that every
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day of the week and do 50 callsa week, I'm going to fail the
first week if I've never done itbefore.
So I think it's important thatwe set goals, that you know,
when I do my best and I do mybest with my team, to say, okay,
what's reasonable and then gohigher, cause you know there's
that saying.
You know, shoot for the starsand you'll, you know, or shoot
for the moon, hit the star,whatever that is that one.
(26:34):
Anyway, I think and that's true,I think you can have very good
goals, but they have to be.
You'll stop working if you keepmissing, and so you have to.
You know you'll just stop doingit.
Then you'll never get your goal.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Yeah, I think that's a great point because a lot of
people you know they like, we'lltake the gym, for example
They'll set this goal that I'mgoing to go every day for two
hours and they've never been intheir life, and then, you know,
they're great the first week,maybe even the second week, and
then they miss a day and they'relike, yeah, you know, forget it
, I wasn't going to besuccessful at it, and it steals
that joy, rather than setting arealistic expectation and saying
(27:13):
I could go two times this weekand meet that goal and celebrate
and get some joy from that andand and build upon that.
So no, I appreciate that, thankyou.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
You know, there's a there's like an underarching
question that I have, or ormaybe statement or premise, and
it's some combination, um ofmark and gene, what you've been
talking about, but it it seemsto me that part of the equation,
if we're talking aboutachieving joy, you know, and how
(27:49):
to simplify our lives, to dothat would be some understanding
or knowing of what brings youjoy.
And I'm wondering how often, orfrom your experience, people
take a minute to.
Sometimes you just don't knowuntil you're absent it or until
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you're in a particular situation.
So there's that.
And then there is this togglebetween expectation and joy for
me.
And I can remember a time myhusband, tim, and I had just
bought this house.
I didn't love the house.
I was all famished about whatam I doing in this world?
(28:33):
How did I get here?
And I sat outside two daysafter we bought the house and
said, oh, this is your life,which was game changing for me,
because then it was a reset, youknow.
And then I had a choice Can Iaccept it and find the things in
it that bring me joy, or Idon't even know what.
(28:55):
The other thing is that?
So I think my like partstatement, part question is this
even identification of knowingwhat brings one joy of?
Speaker 2 (29:03):
knowing what brings one joy.
I think we all.
I think that's a great questionand I'm not sure I have the
right answer, but I think thatfor me, I usually ask people and
in doing that this is how I getthrough it myself is asking
myself you know, what do I want?
(29:24):
You know, I did an exerciseyears ago.
Someone literally said you knowwhat do you want?
And I'd say this I'm like, well, what do you want?
And you had to keep kind ofdigging and digging.
It's kind of like the you knowwhat's your why, whatever, and
then why?
Why is that your why?
And you keep digging until youpeel all the layers of the onion
back and you really do figureout you know what you want, and
I think there's a lot of people.
(29:45):
I think people have troublefinding what they really want.
I think they get into thisroutine and this you know cycle
and they settle because theythink that's as good as it's
going to get and they stopdreaming and they stop thinking
about what they really want.
And so I do think that, youknow, I think it becomes a
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problem and I do think somepeople do lose sight of what
brings them joy.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Jean, before we shift into our speed round here, I
want to ask you one morequestion and bring it more
current in the standpoint of thework you're currently doing
with LifeVantage, and realquickly, just tell folks.
You know what is LifeVantage sowe understand you know this
business that you're in.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
So LifeVantage is a nutraceutical company, publicly
traded, and they have productsthat help people heal their body
inside and out.
Naturally, I am a big healthand wellness person.
I sadly watched my father die atthe age of 12, which is one of
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the tragedies.
I say I lived my life and thatwas probably where I really came
like.
That's where I came up withthat, saying the world doesn't
stop for any of us because wehave to get back on.
But I watched that and I reallybecame like why, at the age of
46, would I lose someone soyoung?
And you just start to realizethat you know we got to take, we
(31:16):
get one body, we get one bodyand it's all we get and we have.
We go back to the joy and thedreams and the goals and all the
things you want to do in life.
You have one body to do it allin and we screw it up.
And I really just want to teachpeople how to get back on track
, to get healthier, to healtheir body from the inside out
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and to live a longer andhealthier life so they can do
the things they want to do andthey can feel good enough to do
them.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Thank you for sharing that with us, jean.
No, the irony is that not onlydo all of us understand and feel
that, we've actually allrealized through our own journey
together that all of us haveexperienced loss at an early age
of a parent.
So well then, let's bring thisfull circle.
Health is anything but simple,and yet it in fact.
(32:12):
Most if you say health, theythink of health care, and that's
what gets complex.
But when I listen to you and Iread some of the things you
share with people, you make itpretty simple, and even the way
you just communicated health ispretty simple.
You got one body do the thingsto take care of it, and so I
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would really be curious why,from a health perspective, do
you think that we struggle andmake life so much more
complicated?
Because health is directlyrelated to joy and opportunity.
Yes, yes, boy, that he speaksExclamation point.
(32:56):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Yeah, point Wow.
Well, I think we've become asociety of less is more in a
variety of ways, and I want todo less to achieve, you know,
health.
Or I want to, I don't, I don'twant to work hard for it, I just
want to take a pill forsomething, or I want to, you
(33:18):
know.
Just, you know I get reallyfrustrated with that because
it's not that easy.
I mean, you're never going totake, and probably it will make
some people mad, but you'renever.
The healthcare industry is notstacked in your favor, it is
stacked against you and they'renever going to create something
(33:38):
that's going to get you better,it's just going to put a bandaid
on it.
But we have the ability to healour body and you can take a
pill for something and neverchange your habits and guess
what?
You're never going to getbetter.
Or you can make an effort totake some positive steps in a
different direction to heal yourbody, and whether that's
(33:59):
through my products or it'sthrough just starting to walk
again or starting to make betterchoices in the food aisle of
the, you know, eat lessprocessed foods, all of those
things, you know, those aresteps that people can take to
just get themselves healthierBecause you know.
Then they say well, you know,eating that kind of good food is
expensive.
I'm like well, healthcare isexpensive, you know it's not.
(34:23):
I would rather be preventativeand never have to go through
that, and not then I would be tohave to go through that and
I've seen it.
I've seen it.
I've seen people go through itand I don't want to do that as
long as I can.
I mean, I'll be 64 next monthand I'm on zero medications and
(34:44):
I like to think I'm you know,according to my blood work, I'm
healthy and I want to stay thatway for as long as I can and
that's the goal that I wanteverybody to have.
Can I tell you that you're evergoing to get off medications?
No, but I can tell you that ifyou do all those, you know as
many right things as possible,great things can happen and you
(35:04):
can live longer and you can playwith your grandchildren or you
can go on the trips and you canenjoy your life.
And you know, that's what it'sall about.
I don't want to be bogged downin a recliner, not being able to
move for the rest of my life infront of the TV.
That's just not what I want todo.
That may be good for somepeople, it's just not good for
me.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Sounds to me like what you're saying is we got to
really see the big picture.
That's really thesimplification right.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yeah, I just think that usually people I think the
last five or six years, becauseI've been with this company for
10 years and the last probablyfive years or so I think people
are becoming more and more awareof their health.
I think they're becoming moreand more aware of our food isn't
really food.
I think they're becoming moreaware of making better choices
(35:51):
and education is the key, andthat's really what I do and I
want to help people just makebetter choices and or at least
expose them to options so theycan live longer and have more
joy and more opportunity and allthe above, because it beats the
alternative.
(36:11):
Hell yeah, hell yeah, all right, preach, preach.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I mean, we got thunder and lightning going on.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
I know I'm going.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Speaking of thunder and lightning, it's time to step
into the stall, because this,ladies and gentlemen, is what we
call the rollout.
No.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Is it the rollout or the rollup?
I think it's the rollup.
It is the rollup.
I think.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
This, ladies and gentlemen, is called.
That's right, because we rollout at the end when we're done
with the show, right?
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Do you want me to get your notes for you?
Speaker 4 (36:51):
No, let's not overcomplicate it.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Yeah, let's just do it have.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
I overcomplicated it.
You of all people, no, so let'sjust do it.
Have I overcomplicated you?
Speaker 1 (37:00):
of all people?
No, okay.
So, jean, this is the speedround where we ask you
life-changing questions.
Are you ready?
Here we go.
Yes, when it comes to toiletpaper, over or under.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Over why.
Why not?
Because it's easier to find thejob, because it's easier to
pull over than it is to find itunder you kind of play with the
toilet?
Speaker 1 (37:29):
I don't know it just looks better, it looks better.
Okay, design All right, marksoft or hard?
Whoa Mark on toilet, whoa MarkOn toilet paper?
Mark, good Lord, mark.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
We don't know each other that well.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
I mean you just took this show.
I mean it's all right, wealready have it Edit, edit, edit
.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
Yeah, let's.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Wait, where's the razor?
Can you?
Speaker 1 (38:01):
you splice, I am not editing that part out oh great
hey okay, quick, quick sidebar.
Uh, can we?
Can we make sure we bring thefreaking questions with us?
I have them here somewhere allright, so, phil, I have one yeah
, you go mark is in timeout now.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Wet or dry.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Wet wipe or dry toilet paper.
So wet dry or wet dry.
You said dry.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
My choice is a wet wipe or dry toilet paper.
Yeah yeah, dry toilet paper.
This is really personal Okay.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
This is good stuff.
All right, one ply or two ply.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
That's what it was.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
One ply or two ply I don't what it was, one-ply or
two-ply, I don't know.
Two, I don't know.
Do they do that?
Speaker 1 (38:45):
anymore.
Yeah, I went to the dollarstore the other day and all they
sold was one-ply.
I was like who uses one-ply.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Oh, I definitely would like a little thicker than
one-ply.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Yes, yes, but one ply is cost effective In a pinch
you need it?
Speaker 2 (39:00):
No, it's not.
Yeah, but it's probablyindustrial strength, right?
No, you have to use so muchmore.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Do they make more than one or two ply?
I mean, I've never heard of athree ply.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
I guess, if I think they start, they make it quilted
.
They make them quilted, so it'snot really two ply, but it's
just a thicker.
Yeah See, they milk themquilted, so it's not really
two-ply, but it's just a thicker.
Yeah See, phyllis knows whatI'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Have you guys shopped for toilet paper.
We think about.
Let me just tell you, your lifeis going to change because
you're going to go into the damntoilet and you're going to
start thinking about things.
So here's the last question.
So here's the last question.
(39:49):
Um, what is, or has been, yourfavorite potty time activity?
Some people play on their phone, some people read, some people
whatever what's your?
No, you're shaking your head.
What?
Speaker 2 (39:59):
she just goes, I go to the bathroom.
So I, I, I have two boys.
Well they're, they're men now,but I, I grew up in a household
of men.
It is not a library, it is abathroom.
I don't know how their legsdon't go to sleep.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
I just if most of them do, they do.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Okay, yeah, it is, it is, it is.
Yeah, fortunately we have manybathrooms in our house, so when
they were younger I had options.
But believe me, it is.
It is a place to go to thebathroom and go, you're done all
right, I don't linger I don'tlinger.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
That should be.
Can hey make a note?
Let's do a t-shirt like with?
It has a toilet on it mark andit says I don't linger we could
have the cranberries as abackground song I was just
thinking.
There's a song linger, lingeroh god, I was thinking of
something else.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Anyway, oh, I don't want to go there.
No, it's time to flush it istime to flush.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
All right, we're going to close with one last
thing.
Thank you for being sotransparent, for bringing
yourself Some things that I kindof heard, we heard you know and
really being present.
Be reasonable when it comes toexpectations.
Also, find and define whatactually brings you joy, but be
(41:30):
willing to dig deep, correct?
Am I saying that, correct, jean?
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yeah, I think you well, you have to make an effort
to find joy sometimes, I mean,but not always.
I think you know you can have amultiple amount of days, of
great days in a row, whereyou're constantly you know
things are all going great andyou're always finding joy
because you know the sun isshining and life is good.
I think it's a question ofmaybe when it's not remind
(41:55):
yourself that how many days youhad prior or how many good days
you've had and this day willpass.
This too shall pass, and Ithink you just have to focus on
the good, Even when.
If you did an exercise where youwere just in the bloss and you
stopped to say what am Igrateful for?
(42:15):
What's something I could begrateful for?
Anything, I mean, just pick it.
And if you start doing that,you will literally feel the
energy shift in your body.
It is an amazing.
And if you can cut, if you canstack one on top of the other,
on top of the other, and thenmaybe just get, think of three
things, but your energy willshift and you'll realize at
least I hope so that you knowthis is something, but it's not
(42:38):
forever, it's just something now, and that you just move.
You can get past it becauseyou've done it before and you
can do it again.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
And also find the joy in the small moments.
It's sometimes the in-betweens,that is.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Yeah, you got to be present too.
I think we get stuck on ourphone, we get stuck multitasking
, we get stuck doing all thisstuff and if you're just, you
know, put the phone down.
Believe me, I do a lot of mybusiness on social media.
I have to remind myself to dropmy phone and just say I'm
present in the moment.
I've actually, I think you'veeven said I was like I didn't
take any pictures.
I couldn't believe it, becauseI've always taken pictures.
(43:15):
I'm like I didn't take anypictures.
I was totally present in themoment and I loved it.
And I think we do have to reallytake some time and, you know,
fill our own souls with what weneed so we can find more in
others.
Because that's I don't know.
I could get poetic, you know.
As a child I absolutely lovedverses and sayings, so I could
(43:37):
go on forever on all the onesI've done.
But I've done a lot of personaldevelopment and become, you
know, someone who wants tocontinue to grow, because, um,
you, you, you, if you're notgrowing, you're dying.
So I want to grow and I want tolearn, because I think we could
always be better versions ofourself every day.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Wow that, mark.
I think you have somecompetition for the mic drop.
More information is availablein the show notes regarding Jean
and her awesome life, thoughtsand career and how to get in
touch with her.
We'll be right back in thestall.
Hey there, we sure do.
Hope you're enjoying the showand if you are, please tell your
(44:20):
friends like it, share it, putit all over the place, because
we're not just doing a podcasthere, we're trying to start a
movement.
Okay, that was probably a badpun intended, by the way, but
seriously, the complexity oftoilet paper is about creating
conversations in places wherethings just don't need to be
that complicated.
It's about finding thesimplicity in life and if we
(44:43):
work together, you know what wethink we can actually achieve it
.
So follow us on Facebook, sharethe show, give us your comments
and come back and join us inthe stall.
You know we just spent somewonderful time talking with Gene
and I feel like we opened upanother pathway to really
(45:04):
understanding what are we reallydealing with with this issue of
joy.
Is it that people aren'tfinding joy?
Is it?
Phyllis?
I mean, I know you had somereal good thoughts on this yeah,
I think.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
I think we all want joy, no matter who you are.
Joy we.
We're on a search, a quest forjoy, and one of the reasons we
do this show is because we knowwe've talked to enough people,
we share our own stories, thatwe overcomplicate things that
don't need to be overcomplicated, and so it's why we're doing
(45:38):
the show.
What is it that stands in ourway of finding joy, and what
does the path to simplicity looklike?
And that is a struggle from dayto day sometimes, and it just
depends on everybody's going todo it in a different way and
find their own path and havetheir own issues, if you will,
(46:01):
when it comes to finding andbeing in the space of joy.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
That's what I loved about what you said, mark, when
you recapped what Gene hadtalked about, which was, you
know, really making this list.
Going through the action ofthis is what brings me joy, so
you can actually have kind of atarget right.
Speaker 4 (46:22):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's the simplest way to do
it right Is make a list what,what, how do you define joy in
your world and what brings youjoy, and then make a list of
what brings you joy and thensearch out those, those things.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Yes and identify when you're not feeling joy, what's
standing in my way of that?
Because sometimes it's assimple as reminding yourself I
have to have faith and whateverthat faith is in yourself and
God and a higher power.
Sometimes it's stopping andtaking a breath.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
And one could conversely ask themselves what
steals my joy, which issometimes for me more
identifiable than what brings mejoy.
Speaker 4 (47:04):
And she brought up something that is actually very
complex, which is comparison,and we compare our lives to
everybody else, whether it'sthrough social media, whether
it's in a neighborhood that youlive in, whether it's a car that
you drive, whatever the casemay be, you're you're, you're
comparing yourself, and and thatcomplexity can be eliminated,
um, through taking a look at aat a at a look at the positive
(47:28):
things that are happening inyour life not someone else's
life, in your life and notletting comparison steal that
joy.
Speaker 3 (47:35):
She started.
Jean started to talk about, um,energy and joy, and I think
about that more, and I thinkabout it both ways.
But what stood out to me was Iknow when something is stealing
my energy.
I am very aware of that, I canfeel it.
There are physical symptoms.
You all probably know it justfrom hanging out, from us
(47:59):
hanging out together.
There are things that stealenergy.
So I think there is this togglebetween energy giving and
energy stealing, if you will, aswe're talking about joy and so
much of this as I'm processingout this conversation that we
just had with her is aroundsimple old awareness.
(48:19):
We're moving so fast, doing amillion things.
Just simple awareness.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Life is hard, life is complex and this show is not
here to solve the problems.
It's here to just oftentimesset out reminders and we I think
the three of us have to bealways cognizant of the fact
that we are guides, becausewe're going to see the same
version, a different version ofthe same.
(48:47):
Answers show up a lot, andthat's okay because we have to
remind ourselves as much as wewant to remind and share the
folks that are joining us.
Speaker 4 (48:56):
I would say that growth happens when the light
shines on it, and our goal hereis to shine a light, and what
you do with that is up to youright and up to each of us, and
so my hope with the show is thatwe have guests like Jean who
(49:17):
share these methods ofsimplicity to put that light on
it and let it grow into our ownlives.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
Well said, how does he always end up being the king
of the stall?
Speaker 3 (49:31):
He holds it in, he is beautiful Until the very end,
until he can't hold it inanymore, and then he just drops
it.
Speaker 4 (49:40):
Wow, you're too kind.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
You didn't drop Phil anymore.
And then he just drops it.
Wow, you didn't drop phil, phil, you just.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
It's my first potty humor joke I think you know,
while we are audio only, thereare moments when I think that
you should really see um what,what's?
Speaker 4 (49:56):
that go.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Come on, let it go, phil, I want to see.
I'm taking a picture right now.
Drop it in the toilet.
You know deep down everybody.
What you don't know is this isPhil's secret plot to just have
her own joy filled because we'rehere for her.
(50:20):
Okay, okay, yes.
And with that we are going toput the seat down, flush, close
the door and see you the nexttime.
On the complexity of toiletpaper.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
Did you say toilet paper?
Everything complicated.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
One big, big mess.
I'm overthinking.
I'm over, I'm overthinking.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
This is the complexity of toilet paper.
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