July 28, 2025 • 59 mins
Ever feel like entrepreneurship is more complicated than it needs to be? In this illuminating conversation with serial entrepreneur Quinetha Frasier, we dig deep into why entrepreneurs often make their journeys harder than necessary—and how to simplify the path to success.
Quinetha, described by Phyllis as "lightning and joy and truth and happiness and candor all in one unique potion," brings twenty years of experience advising CEOs and community leaders on increasing financial investments. As the co-founder of the Southern Equity Collective, a fintech startup veteran, and the mind behind the Global Foundation for Education and Economic Mobility, she offers a refreshingly honest perspective on what it truly takes to build something meaningful.
The discussion reveals a powerful framework for entrepreneurial success: the two-sided coin of faith and fortitude. Faith allows you to see what doesn't yet exist—to envision your creation before it materializes. Fortitude provides the determination to keep going when obstacles inevitably arise. Together, they form the foundation for resilient entrepreneurship in a world that often glamorizes overnight success stories while hiding the messy reality.
Perhaps most valuable is Quinetha distinction between mental activity and actual thinking. While many entrepreneurs spend their mornings ruminating on yesterday's problems or checking emails, she advocates for quiet reflection focused on your destination rather than current challenges. This simple practice—"thinking about where I'm going, not where I am"—helps entrepreneurs reconnect with their vision daily and avoid getting lost in immediate difficulties.
For anyone feeling overwhelmed by the complexity of building a venture, Quinetha offers this liberating truth: "You have everything you need inside of you to be successful for the rest of your life." By sitting in what Phyllis beautifully calls "the pocket of curiosity" rather than attachment to specific outcomes, entrepreneurs can simplify their journey and find more joy in the process.
Ready to transform how you approach your entrepreneurial journey? Join us in the stall now and discover how to make your path a little less complicated—one conversation at a time.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Sometimes I wish we could go back to a time when
things weren't so complicated.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Welcome to the Complexity of Toilet Paper, the
podcast that dives into theeveryday moments where we
overthink, hesitate or just getstuck.
I'm overthinking, I'm over, I'moverthinking.
Let's hear it for the toiletpaper Through honest
conversations, unexpectedinsights and a whole lot of
(00:28):
humor.
Your hosts, phyllis Martin,mark Pollack and Al Emmerich,
are here to help you roll withit and make your life a little
less complicated.
One conversation at a time,that's right, dude.
The beauty of this is itssimplicity.
Speaking of which, it's time toenter the stall, put the lid
down or not, depending getcomfortable and roll with it.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Oh worry not dear friend.
It's really quite simple.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
This is the complexity of toilet paper.
Welcome to the Vested Studiosof the complexity of toilet
paper.
Welcome to the Vested Studiosof the Complexity of Toilet
Paper.
Yes, we are a fineestablishment where people do
various things party-like, butwe come here to have meaningful
conversations.
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Anything said in the stall isopen to anybody's interpretation
.
How do you guys like that?
Speaker 4 (01:26):
I think you should do the whole show in that voice.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I think our listenership may dwindle very,
very quickly.
First of all, anybody from theother side of the pond is going.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
What is that you?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
know, we as Brits and Aussies do American accents
really well, but you guys suckat us.
Hello, my name is.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Al Emmerich.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
I'm Mark Pollack.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
And I'm Phyllis Martin.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yes, you are, I am, we is and we are the trio that
tries to bring the fun,frivolity, seriousness and even
some deep thinking into thepotty in the place we call the
complexity of toilet paper.
If you're a fellow complexifier, thank you for joining us.
(02:12):
If you're just coming here forthe very first time, hey, you
know what this show is?
Fun in its essence.
We are literally going to dopotty humor, we're going to drop
stupid alliterations, do somepotty talk, but at the end of
the day, what we're reallytrying to do is get out of our
own way and figure out how do wemake life a little more simple,
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one conversation at a time, andI want to share that.
You know, in case folks don'tknow, we have hit a pretty big
mile mark.
Actually, we hit it a littlewhile ago, mark right.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Yeah, we crossed over the 500 mark.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
In our first 30 days, so you might be listening to
this a year down the line, buttoday marks a really big
accomplishment, which is 500listens big accomplishment,
which is 500, 500 listens.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
So, in the context of the grand scheme of life, that
is just the fact that we saidwe're going to do it, the fact
that we did it, we launched andwe got out of our own way, and
the fact that that there's beenthese downloads and people have
listened and we've gotten thefeedback we've gotten on
Facebook uh, just, please knowit's, it's a beautiful,
beautiful sense of joy and we'rejust, we're just in the
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beginning, but thank you, uh,thank you, for joining us.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
And so if you are joining us and you enjoy the
programming, please go to ourFacebook page.
Please like it, follow it,share with friends and family.
We our goal is to to impact asmany people as possible with
this programming, so your helpin sharing the word will
definitely help us get to thenext milestones.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
You sounded like an NPR ad.
The essence of this programmingis you know, right, there it is
.
It was a little NPR-y Itpre.
Yes, that's cool, though I mean.
You know how I know whensomething's funny.
(04:13):
By the way, I have just figuredout.
Now I know the key to whensomething is funny.
I need to get me a phyllis doll, yes, that I can carry with me
all the time it's not funny,because when I hear without no,
no, no, no, no, when we don'tget that laugh.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
That is the genuine Phyllis finds it funny laugh.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
So let's do this.
We're going to jump into thestall today and we're going to
unpack the complexity ofentrepreneurship, and the person
that we're bringing into thestall with us is a friend of
yours, phyllis.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Tell us about this wonderful person.
Yes, all with us is a friend ofyours, phyllis.
Tell us about this wonderfulperson.
Yes, so we are bringing intothe stall with us the amazing,
incomparable quinita frazier,who, um I am genuinely grateful
to call my friend, um.
Quinita is, uh, like lightningin a.
She's lightning and joy andtruth and happiness and candor
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all in one unique potion.
If you are lucky enough to havefive minutes with her, your
life will be forever changed.
And she is one of the strongest, most tenacious, gracious,
graceful person I have ever hadthe opportunity to work with and
(05:34):
to know, and she just shelights up the world, she just
makes the world a better place.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Well, man, I just like, can you introduce Mark and
I to anybody I?
Speaker 4 (05:47):
was just thinking.
I wish I could get anintroduction like that.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I'll introduce both of you next time, okay, that
would be.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
That would be awesome .
Well, in addition to being anative of south carolina, uh,
with an incredible history incharleston county, for the past
20 years, qu Quinnitha hasadvised CEOs and high-impact
community leaders who are tryingto increase their financial
investments and communityresources, so she negotiates
these packages.
She's also the co-founder ofthe Southern Equity Collective,
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a change management consultingfirm.
She co-founded a fintechstartup, and what really is
driving her as well is thismission to preserve and promote
the Gullah, geechee and Africanculture in her community and
worldwide by building andsustaining this solidarity and
community connectedness amongblack Americans.
And there's this amazingfoundation that she created and
(06:42):
leads.
It's called the GlobalFoundation for Education and
Economic Mobility.
The domain will be in the shownotes, but, man, you talk about
entrepreneurship.
She graduated from TuskegeeUniversity, she's got an MBA and
I mean, if I listed all thethings right here, we'd have a
seven-hour podcast.
So I think we should justinvite somebody this austere
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into the stall.
You think she'll handle thestall.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Well, Phil, I think she is going to handle the stall
just fine.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Because you know we're going to, we're going to
throw the roll up at her andthose questions are going to
come fast.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I think there's going to be a lot of laughter and, I
bet, a few lessons.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
You know it's always good to have a lesson in the
john, all right?
Well, if you haven't heard itby now, this is the complexity
of toilet paper.
I'm overthinking, I'm over, I'moverthinking.
And there, just like a timewarp, did you feel it?
And there, just like a timewarp, did you feel it, it was
that brush, that sound of atoilet flush, and you realize
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you've been swept into the stall.
Come on, who's with me?
Q, are you with me?
Yes, okay, the entire podcasthas just fallen off the cliff
because Al has been doingmushrooms and apparently, in the
13 seconds between the open ofthe show, the intro and now here
we are, this all fell down.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
We just never know what to expect.
Once we get through the introand into this section, we're
like how's Al going to startthis thing?
And that's where we started.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Well, welcome to the complexity of toilet paper.
Our stalemate today isQuinnitha Frazier, and may we
call you Q.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Is that appropriate?
Yes, that is appropriate.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
All right, and Q, and it is easy.
It is easy, in fact, I think,we just go this way, the whole
way.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Mark, you're M, phyllis p, I'm a right on and if
we do it in a different,different direction, we're map,
so that even makes it ah, wecould also be pam we could be
pam, that's true.
Right there's lots of options.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Amp I like the amp you be too, amped up yeah
Speaker 2 (09:05):
boom and that's the show.
Ladies and gentlemen, we'redone.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Thank you joining us it's been great being with you
all.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Thanks so much no, no , no, stay with us, stay with us
.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
We got a whole program so, quinita frazier, um,
we've, we've already kind ofgiven the world, uh, your
background.
Phyllis gave you thismagnanimous introduction that
was filled with what I know istruth, but seriously, it was
like it was a love fest on onwho you are as a human being.
(09:34):
And, um, I gave some of thebackground of your, your
professional history, but, hey,nothing is better than the
person themselves.
So, so, give us your like 90second, two minute elevator
pitch, when, when, if we werejust running into you in the
stall, in the bathroom, and wesaid, hey, what do you do?
Of course that wouldn't be agood thing to do, I guess, in
(09:54):
the bathroom, but no no, don'task that question?
Speaker 4 (09:59):
No, I guess like no you shouldn't ask what are you
doing, and you shouldn't askwhat do you do?
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Right, and how long have you been there?
Speaker 2 (10:09):
How would you do?
Speaker 4 (10:11):
that Anyway.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
How long?
Okay, all right, we're flushingthat out.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I love the double.
I love the double entendres.
By the way, I love flushingthis thing out.
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean, that'sabout as intellectual as we get
in this place.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
It's all downhill from here.
So Q tell us about you?
What do you do?
What's your elevator pitch?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
I can do a 90 second.
So I'm Quinita.
I was born to help individualsfirst to identify their purpose
or business purpose, but then toget it funded, and I know that
for sure.
Their purpose or businesspurpose.
But then to get it funded and Iknow that for sure.
And the way that I do that andhave spent the last now 20 years
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doing that is by helping peopleto clarify their mission,
clarify their product and thenclarify who they're going to
sell it to or in my worldbecause I've done mostly impact
fundraising how they're going toask other people to support it.
And I've had and it is a part ofmy very awesome opportunity to
help start hundreds of socialenterprises.
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I myself am a serialentrepreneur, so I got to tell
you the way that I've been ableto do this is by myself building
companies, maintaining a way tohelp other, to keep myself
connected to other people whoare also able to bring resources
to the work that I do.
So I'm a military brat.
(11:37):
I have to include that becauseit says a lot about a lot about
my commitment issues, which wecan talk about later.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
That's the other stall, that's the therapy stall
that's right next to it, so wealways supply this for our
guests.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Well, I want them to know that if they ever bump into
me in a stall, don't ask firstof all, but if we do get a
conversation going, they shouldknow that I won't commit to
staying there very long, and Iowe my dad and his military
service to that.
And also I believe that Africanow is a place that I'm also
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drawn to, so part of what I amtotally excited about at this
season of my life is building afuture in another continent.
So go figure, foreignentrepreneurs, you know, just
another small risk.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah, just a micro risk there.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Q so Quinnitha all of us are entrepreneurs in our own
right.
You know, the term entrepreneurgets tossed around a lot and
there's.
So let's just, let's justoperate from the functional side
of entrepreneur, right?
You've got a DNA to start upbusinesses, you know.
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Leverage your, your ideas andactually do something with them,
right?
Speaker 3 (13:01):
You made it sound so fancy, al, all I'm able to do is
convince people to buy thingsfrom me.
I mean, I think, honestly,every entrepreneur has an
ability to tell someone a dreamor a vision and get them excited
about it, and then they followthem to the marketplace.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
That's interesting, that is true.
But you know what?
I would actually nuance it,because selling an idea is
there's selling the idea andthen there's actually selling
the product behind the idea,right?
(13:39):
Technically, that's likePhyllis Mark and I we've birthed
this podcast and the mindset wehave to adopt isn't that we're
selling anything because we'regiving a gift, because if you
believe in something, that'sright.
If you believe in something,you're not delivering a gift.
(13:59):
I mean, so you're not sellinganything, you're delivering a
gift.
You're giving something thathelps people's lives get better,
right?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Yeah, al, wouldn't it be awesome?
And this is just my one opinionon entrepreneurship.
I live by a theory of sixdegrees and I believe any person
that's selling first you'reright the dream first, then you
have to sell the product it'smuch easier if they can maneuver
through a network with ease.
And so I believe that peoplethat are successful in building
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businesses quickly, it's becausethey have a sound network of
relationships in which to funnelthrough.
Even if they are justmarketplace relationships and
even if they're very structuredbecause of you know, whatever
formal entities, it's, it's thepeople that you're connected to
that gets you off, in my opinion.
I've seen quick launch based onthe wealth of, of, net of, of
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relationships.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Yeah, Well, I I'd like to ask you the the a
million dollar question right upfront, which is through the
lens of entrepreneurship howwould you define complexity?
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I would define complexity as the ability to
distinguish between good andgreat, the ability to
distinguish between now or later.
It's the, I would say, thedecision-making in business as
to and I can give an example,but simply put the pass fail.
I call it the pass faildecision or the pass fail
quandary of the entrepreneur.
(15:37):
Because an entrepreneur, eventhe most focused entrepreneur,
even the most trained andexperienced entrepreneur, always
battles with the question ofthis or that, Do I keep this or
do that?
And usually it's at thatcrossroad where an entrepreneur
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grows into something else.
Because entrepreneur, to yourpoint, in my opinion, is like a
baseline definition.
That's like vanilla, it's likea skeleton, it's like a.
You know cause?
An entrepreneur can be a lot of, can morph into a, into
something that's more.
I think that's more static.
As an example, I'm anentrepreneur, but I would say
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that over the years, becauseI've been working in business,
you've been working in business,we've been selling things, I
wouldn't just say I'm anentrepreneur anymore.
I would say I'm more of a.
I'm a people builder, I'm aresource builder, so and that's
something very unique I havefriends that have done very well
, you know, like in sales or carsales.
I have a guy that owns a carand he wouldn't call himself an
(16:40):
entrepreneur anymore because hehasn't built anything in a while
.
He's like I'm just running a.
I'm a business owner now, whichin my opinion is a bit
different from being anentrepreneur, but I think all
streams lead to lead from thepool of entrepreneurship.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
So when you see schools of entrepreneurship or
you hear these conferences aboutentrepreneurship and this is
leading to a second follow-upquestion about how we
overcomplicate things but I'mjust curious based on your
explanation, do you thinkentrepreneurship can be taught?
Speaker 3 (17:23):
I think that entrepreneurship can be taught
in the way of a coaching.
I think that a trueentrepreneur see, I would use me
as an example.
When I was in the fifth grade,I don't know what caused me to
think that I could sell 25 centbags of popcorn at school, but
there was something in me thatdefinitely prodded me with the
idea that I could earn somethingon my own.
(17:44):
I think that's the spirit of anentrepreneur.
Now, the spirit of theentrepreneur, as I said, can
manifest a lot of ways.
I mean, I could have also saidI'm going to go run a Frito-Lay
company or a Frito-Lay plant andfeel like, oh man, I'm kicking
out hundreds of thousands ofunits of popcorn, but no, no, I
think that the entrepreneur hasa spirit of creation and I think
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that that's the beginning ofwhatever that recipe or chemical
balance might be.
You got to have that innovation, that creative streak.
So, to answer your question, Icould teach you how to sell
something, which I've done, I'vebeen taught.
But if you don't have that,build something, do something,
make something, spirit it's, youknow, it'll kind of, it'll melt
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away Eventually you'll, you'lljust, you'll just be a manager
of something.
Cause I argue that there's abig difference between a
business owner and entrepreneur.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Absolutely.
Um.
Well, before I go, phil, I knowthat you had a lightning bolt
hit you, so jump please.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yeah, I had like several and I'm going to try to
get it.
I'm going to try to make itsimple.
There you have it.
So, q, I think you know what Ihear you say is this is
entrepreneurship.
Is this unique combination ofcreativity, drive yeah, problem
solving, yeah.
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Passion, yes.
Building, drive, problemsolving, passion building.
And when I talk with friends ofmine who are entrepreneurs,
oftentimes, especially in thosehard moments, I'm going to say,
like the dark moments, so muchcomes crashing down.
It seems, yeah, it seems likethat happens.
(19:24):
And even through the course ofour relationship which I can't
believe I've known you foralmost six years now.
I know there have been timeswith your businesses that have
been easier, smooth sailing, andthere have been times that have
been harder.
And so I'm wondering, really,for our listeners, during those
hard times, when things do feelvery complicated or very complex
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, what is it that you can shareto help our listeners break from
that, to simplify, to get tothe heart of the matter and keep
moving forward?
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Yeah, Well, I love that, I love that example and I
hope people get this.
There's a two-sided coin, so onone side of the coin there's
something called faith, whichyou know without getting deep,
quote unquote, it's requiredseeing something that isn't
there.
So it's tough.
I'm having a month where I'mdealing with vendors that aren't
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working on time.
I'm dealing with employees thatI can't pay because the vendors
didn't deliver on time.
So on one side I got to havefaith that this is going to work
out, because if you don't, youpanic and you go into a
fear-based leadership mode which, if anybody who's ever been an
entrepreneur knows that, whenyou get into that rank you're
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sort of just reacting and makingknee-jerk reactions.
It's not a good time.
So you got to have that F, thatfaith on one side of the coin.
Now, on the other side of thecoin is a little friend called
fortitude.
Now, I like people to lookwords up, because that word is
pretty heavy when you look it up.
But fortitude means keep goinganyway.
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So there's a wall, but you lookat it and say this must be an
illusion, because I got to gothrough this wall in order to
talk to my team on Friday,knowing that we haven't hit our
sales goal for this quarter, butwe got to get started for the
next quarter.
So fortitude is what says onthe other side of the coin keep
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going anyway.
Okay, I didn't hit my goals fortwo quarters, which I've done in
banking, which is not very goodbecause you get shamed at sales
meetings.
I could give up.
I could say, eh, this may notbe for me.
I could even say a lot ofentrepreneurs deal with this.
Maybe I should go back.
That is the monkey on your backat all times.
Maybe I should go back and getsomething more stable.
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That's the opposite offortitude.
Fortitude in the inverse isgiving up.
So that's why you need the twoFs.
You need one side of the coin,fortitude.
The other side, faith, faith,faith.
So down times, hard times, takethe coin Both sides, both sides
, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Does this apply to both social entrepreneurship in
your mind as well as thetraditional business
entrepreneurship, because youare both?
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yes, and I think that most traditional business
owners, who are profit motiveonly, shareholders focused only,
they forget that they're doingthe two sides Because see when
you are not really heldaccountable.
So the social let me just quickdistinction social enterprise
we just have, we have an earnedincome model like everybody else
, except there's also acharitable or a impact portion
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of results.
You know like, hey, I'm talkingto shareholders, but I'm also
talking to people who care aboutimpact.
Is somebody's life changed,behavior changed, and so forth.
The traditional entrepreneur,that's not a social entrepreneur
, it's profit, it's bottom lines, it's shareholder Are we
getting paid?
But in both instances,especially the traditional
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entrepreneur, they are usingthat fortitude.
They just typically are solvingproblems in a more financially
focused manner.
Right, it's more of like hey,man, I got to have faith, or I
got to get this loan, or I gotto get this extension, or you
know.
So people don't kind of flag it.
Those of us in the social spacewere, you know or not, just
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people that just acknowledge thetools to success.
They will say no, honey, it wasfaith that got us through this.
So I think, I think it existsin both places.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Yeah, so one of the things that I hear a lot, when,
when you scroll social orwhatever, is this idea of
manifestation, right?
You scroll social or whatever,is this idea of manifestation
right, like?
And what I feel like you'retouching on Q, which is really
powerful and kind of in linewith what a lot of people are
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talking about, is having thatvision, right?
So, in order to build something, in order to manifest it and
whatever, whatever methodologyyou want to use in order to do
that, you've got to have a clearvision of what that looks like.
And I, I, when you werespeaking, the first thing that
came to mind to me was an artist, michelangelo.
(24:16):
So you take a look at this pieceof marble, right, and there's
nothing.
It's just a beautiful slab ofmarble, but you've got to see
the figure that's in that marbleand then, as you chip away, and
maybe you make some bad chips,and maybe you make some great
ones, and the marble doesn't cutthe way that you need it to you
, still, that's your fortitude.
(24:37):
You still keep moving forward,knowing that you have that
vision of that marble that's inthere.
Yeah, is that kind of whatyou're talking about as you're
going through this?
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Absolutely, and I'm happy that you said seeing
beyond the marble.
So listen to this, this is true.
I'm saying it because I'vetalked to so many founders.
I know it's true the ability tosee something that already
exists.
Now hear me out.
I know this sounds crazy.
When I'm building a house thisyear, I've got to meet with the
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architect.
The architect has got to get mesome blueprints.
Okay, he can either pull mesome blueprints that somebody
has already built a house I mean, hey, just let me kind of stamp
and paste, use the same onethat someone has done.
But even if he uses theblueprint that someone else has,
he's still going to ask so whatcolor inside?
So what type of panel, whattype of floors?
He's still going to ask so whatcolor inside?
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So what type of panel, whattype of floors?
Finishing?
It is required for me to thinkit all the way through to the
final image.
The concept of manifestation isus using our definite ability
because we all have the abilityto see something in our mind
that already exists and thenhaving the fortitude to actually
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, as you said, scrape throughthe marble to see it through.
Now, the thing aboutmanifestation is it's a
day-by-day thing Because, likeyou said if you see the
sculpture the first day, oh man,I see it for sure, I know it
exists somewhere.
But then tomorrow I startcarving and it looks totally
opposite of what I thought aboutmine.
Do I say oh, I must have got itwrong.
(26:11):
It must be this, I must no, no,no, no.
You don't do that.
You don't say this is myversion.
You go nah, it's something else, and then you do it again.
So the concept of manifestation, especially in entrepreneurship
, means every day I wake up Ihave to recall the image and I
don't want to jump too fast.
But one of the ways that Ipersonally do that and I
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encourage my team to do it isthrough scripting.
That means writing an actualmovie script that takes you as
much as you can see into the dayto day manifesting, because
it's not from rock to sculpture.
Everyone knows that Like it'slike man.
I started working on asculpture.
If I wrote a script, yeah, man,I started tapping.
The first thing I saw wasMickey.
You know Michelangelo's likesculpture face.
(26:56):
You know bust?
No, you didn't see that.
You started cracking at it.
It looked a mess, but becauseyou wrote your script, it's like
this is a part of it.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
And isn't that part of the challenge, though?
Q, because we live in a worldof instant gratification, that's
it I always tell the story of.
There's two things.
I think that from a sociologystandpoint, this has been
studied, but there were reallythe linchpins in this velocity
towards instant gratification,in this velocity towards instant
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gratification.
First was the credit card, the,you know, because you could get
what you needed in that moment.
You don't have to wait.
Some people say it was the car,but no, you still had to do
things to get the car.
The credit card, boom, it wasjust handed to you practically
early on.
And and then the second is, is,is is the internet, with Google
and search and the ability tofind things Right.
(27:47):
So we want to go from rock tosculpture without in between,
and so I, and and I appreciateyour dipping into your, your,
your solutions, cause we'regoing to, we're going to, we're
going to do that towards the endof the, the program, and I want
to make sure we get those, andwe're going to drop them in show
notes and blow it up.
And you know, q is going to bebigger than famous, and she
(28:09):
already is, but I, I have aquestion that relates to
complicating things.
You are bringing up these,these nuggets, and you talked
about the things that so oftenstand in our way of fear versus
faith, and fear that preventsfortitude.
(28:30):
Can you just and I know there'sa litany of different things,
but I'm literally walkingthrough this queue my own, I
mean, I'm in this excavation ofAl right now, and so this is
very this is beautiful truth.
You're speaking, yeah, but inyour experience as an
entrepreneur, what are the keythings that entrepreneurs
(28:54):
overthink or make more complexthan than they truly need to be?
That stands in their way?
What are those things in your,your experience?
Speaker 3 (29:06):
yeah, you mentioned fear, and in my opinion, there
are two major things, and thefirst and well, to be honest,
all of them have to do with youreyesight A major distraction,
and I call them distractions.
One of the major distractionsfor an entrepreneur is the right
(29:30):
now, and I think you set it upperfectly, because we're trained
to yeah, we're trained to reactright To what we're, what's
what we're looking at and whatwe're seeing in front of us.
Yeah, today you could have saidoh, hey, man, two weeks from
now, I know I'm going to bewealthy and in a good place.
What does that mean?
Well, in two weeks I'm going toget paid from a big job that I
(29:51):
started last week Wonderful.
Yeah, in two weeks I'm going touse that money to pay off about
four or five bills Fantastic.
But today you're sitting in yourhouse and the bill collector's
calling and there are people youhave to pay.
And then, also, you've not keptyour commitments.
That's the worst part.
I mean, you can't do what yousaid you were going to do as an
entrepreneur, yeah.
(30:11):
So the question becomes now howcan I uncomplicate that
situation that I'm sittinginside of right now?
I mean, that's every day.
For now, that could be aneveryday reality.
That makes yes, the distractionis my inability to remember that
on the day that it doesn'texist.
(30:33):
I'm breaking this down sosimple because I want us to take
it day by day.
So, if this is the day twotowards the two I said in two
weeks.
I know it's coming.
I know it's coming, but it'sday five now.
Oh man, these people keepcalling me man.
My mom doesn't understand why Iquit my job to start this
(30:54):
company.
We've been doing pretty goodfor the last two years.
Why am I continuing in this?
But in two weeks?
You know, the big deal iscoming.
In this case looks like beliefNow, belief in who, belief in
what?
Because I'm doing all I can do.
Yeah, belief in what you saw.
(31:19):
It's quite simple.
What we tend to do, al, iswe're waiting for someone to
save us and rescue us from thefire.
For the whole damn two weekswe're like, oh, somebody's got
to come get me out of this.
Oh, where's this person coming?
Oh man, if my wife understood.
Oh, if my husband?
For two weeks we're trying toput out a house fire.
That's actually an illusion.
So the way that we complicatethings is by not seeing the
(31:43):
image that we gave ourself inthe first place, day by day, and
it's very simple.
It's day by day.
It's.
I woke up today and let me tellyou I still struggle with this
and it's so real.
It's so real the feeling ofinadequacy, the feeling of
helplessness and the definitefeeling of the pressure of
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obligation.
Because once you become anentrepreneur, or even
responsible for someone else'slivelihood right, all of a
sudden it's like I can't fail.
I can't fail, I can't fail.
I got to get this.
This has got to work, this hasgot to work.
Remember that voice.
This has got to work.
What we will talk about lateraround solutions has to do with
(32:30):
us dealing with that image,because we really react, and
this everyone knows, thescientific fact, I mean,
whatever we're thinking about,it drives our body to react.
So when I'm low energy, lowenergy, low energy for two weeks
, I'm depressed because why?
I don't believe what I saw?
I only believe what I'm seeing.
The opposite of manifest,that's the opposite of
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manifestation.
Only believing what you see isthe opposite of manifesting.
To manifest, you must hold on,and that's what the fate side of
the coin is.
You must hold on to theoriginal vision.
You got to pull the blueprintout every day, you know.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
You know, q?
When I hear you say that, thisis just what comes to mind.
And first of all, thank youlike a million thank yous for
everything you just said.
It makes me wonder I'm tryingto figure out the right way to
say.
It makes me wonder if thenarratives that we have told
ourselves culturally over timeare the barrier, because
(33:35):
essentially they're not true.
The reality, there arerealities of entrepreneurship
that perhaps we could not.
What I'm hearing is there's anormalization to it and if we
accepted that as normal thosethings that you have just
described, then the self-doubt,the concern we're not doing
enough, the fear admittedly, itcan be scary at times, but more
(34:01):
so the driver lean into thedriver the energy, the
creativity, the knowing what youknow, the vision that you see
could take the place of theother things.
And that could be normal,because everything else is just
part of it.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
There is a trust system that exists, Okay, From
the individual level.
That trust system begins in me.
I trust in myself to deliverwhat I said.
But then there's a trust systembetween the four of us.
If we went back to that system,Phyllis, we wouldn't be cutting
each other out in fear.
(34:39):
Also, we wouldn't stress eachother out because we would have
faith.
Al doesn't let me.
Al keeps his word.
This is a bad month.
He's tripping because somethingisn't happening, but we will
continue to operate beyond thisebb and flow.
See, the truth is we shouldexpect ups and downs.
(35:01):
A farmer should expect to gethis reward based on a great
harvest.
However, the farmer knows thatI could plant 10 seeds, the
birds could eat eight, but Ionly need two to create two huge
trees of more seeds.
It's the way I'm seeing it.
I should expect that the birdsare going to picket my seeds.
(35:22):
It's natural.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
And and I've you know there's a.
This is not an excuse, but itis a.
It is a condition that occurredand we want to go back to
probably mid 2000s, 2013 ago,about the parallels between
(35:53):
fashion, modeling andentrepreneurship.
Wow, and fashion and modelingput out all the magazines and
the dresses and the looks thatthat women mainly and men were
supposed to become.
Well, the same thing happenedwith entrepreneurship.
You got all these startupfunnel, startup accelerators and
(36:15):
all these different eventsbecame sexy in this college and
this college and that, and itwas the celebration.
And my dear friend, ron Benzivused to run a program called One
Million Cups in Orlando,florida, and he said once the
one unmet need that's not stilltoday being touched is the
(36:40):
falsehood of the sexiness ofentrepreneurship, because what
you just said is literally themirror facing lies that we try
to climb out of, the truths.
We run from the fear that werun toward and then away from
the and all those things, andit's the quote unquote dark side
(37:02):
, but it's also the beautifulside, because that's the only
light that you, if you don't getpast that, then you don't get
to the light.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Amen.
You know, that's why I love mybrother that wrote the lean
startup.
I mean when I say I marriedthat concept because he said hey
, before you build the company,make the toaster.
And before you make the toaster, go ask someone that eats toast
.
Now, that's the work.
That, that's the work ofentrepreneur, that's the nobody
(37:32):
wants to go talk to people whoare not paying you for two
months to test a most viableproduct.
Who wants to do that?
Now I again, I, I, I closelycorrelate entrepreneurship with
the creator, the creation, butwhat we and I'm following you,
brother what we did, though, iswe told everybody in corporate
America after 9-11 that you know, this thing is kind of shaky,
(37:55):
but it's cool.
You could always be anentrepreneur.
You could start up everycompany.
We know, google, all of themstart these startup competitions
.
Hey, you come, bring your goodideas and start something, and
you can be free.
You can just be free to haveyour idea be manifested into a
company, and people will workfor you and you can have an
(38:18):
advisory board, and this will begreat.
But what we didn't stop andtell people out is like, just
like the gold rush, you'd beshooting cornflakes through an.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
IV, just like the gold that you'd be shooting
cornflakes through an IV.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
They didn't talk about that part.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
No, I mean seriously.
They didn't tell you thereality, and that reality is the
loneliness, the road, the wholejourney for the founder is so
much and requires so much morethan just building the product.
It's about building within.
(38:53):
Yep, look, q, we could go sevenhours with you and I want to
make sure that we give thebrilliance of your solutions.
But before we get to thesolutions, we have to step into
the stall.
But it's not just any stall, itis time to roll it up, that's
(39:16):
right.
This is the moment, q, when allthe intellect, mastery, wisdom
of your life that you are nowjust showering upon us, right,
it really comes to the nexus nowof the hard questions, the
things that people truly, Ithink, maybe listen to the show
for.
And so, with that, I ask you toplease peel back any layers of
(39:41):
doubt and fear within yourself,apply the fortitude you need to
answer the following question,mark.
Start us off.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
All right.
So when it comes to toiletpaper, do you like it wet or dry
?
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Dry, Dry, dry dry, dry, dry.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Wow, that may have been the most emphatic answer
ever.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Man there's no room for no doubt.
Yeah, kind of clear on that one.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Kind of clear on that one.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
All right, I will go next, since, since you are
phil's guest, we'll let her uh,go go last here um one ply
single ply or two ply toiletpaper gotta be double, gotta be
two ply.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
It's only worth it if it's two ply.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Now, come on, he wants one ply of anything we
have had lots of discussionsabout this queue and and, and we
believe we need to interviewsomebody from one of the major
or all the major.
Maybe we get them on and we canhave a toilet paper fight, but
let's get them all yeah, what'syour?
Speaker 1 (40:39):
what's your favorite potty pastime?
What do you got going on?
What are you doing there inaddition?
Thanks for clarifying that Ijust didn't want to, I didn't
want to answer, you know, in away that would embarrass her
later, although this couldembarrass her anyway I'm gonna
think I'm embarrassed, I'm gonnathink this through one of the
major like needle points.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
Oh man, I don't read because I'm never there long
enough, because I like to read,like, just really read.
I'm telling you contemplativethinking.
I gotta just break it down.
I'm getting a lot of thinkingdone.
Yeah, because it's quiet itusually.
You know it's very comfortable,even if you have company.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
You can kind of pull away, you know, to the washroom
did you just say pull away, solike that's such a, that's such
a nice way well, that's a greatlead in.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
That's a great lead into my next's a great lead-in
to my next question, and this isprobably the most important out
of all of them.
So visualize you've taken thebrand new roll of toilet paper
out of its plastic wrap andyou've taken the little squishy
thing that holds it to the wallright and you going to put it in
(41:49):
the toilet paper holder.
Is it up or over or under?
How dare you ask me?
Of course it's over.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Yes, does anyone do an under?
They do.
Does anyone keep an under?
Speaker 4 (42:04):
We don't allow them back on the show, don't do it,
they're a one and done.
In fact, we end the show.
There are we don't.
Don't do it, they're a one anddone.
They're a one and done.
In fact, we end the show righthere.
If they say under, we're likethanks for joining.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
We have listeners who are under.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
I know I'm just making a big deal for Q, I know,
oh, sorry my bad.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
How dare I so?
Three, five solutions, waysthat, for those who are
(42:42):
entrepreneurs or thinking aboutbecoming entrepreneurs, ways
that they can simplify their,their work, their thinking.
The way that they can simplifytheir work, their thinking, the
way that they approach the work.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
The number one thing, honest to God, is we need to
stop and think, think.
It sounds like something verysimple, but we've been having
lots of mental activity.
I'm going to say that again.
I think that one of the firstand easiest things that we can
begin doing is thinking, andthinking has to do with three
(43:14):
major things.
Okay, you're starting abusiness.
Of course you need to belogical.
Logic is in thinking.
So I would say you know, ifyou're, if you are an
entrepreneur right now andyou're in a tough place, me, I'm
just being honest.
I am an illogical entrepreneurbecause I lean heavily on the
(43:34):
second thing that you do.
When you think, you reason.
I like to reason.
I'm like, hey, maybe it'll workout this way, but if we do it
this way, then we can do it thisway.
And in my opinion, we don'treason enough in business
anymore.
We kind of just want to usesomething that's been on a shelf
or rely on emotions that we hadin 1985 to determine how we
(43:59):
react to things.
But I'm of the mind that we'rein a new paradigm in business
where we will be required tothink differently.
And I know that sounds verystatus quo when people say think
differently, think outside thebox, do something new.
We honestly are going to haveto do that, like, think
differently the big box.
(44:20):
You know, when we went to Bschool, all of us went to B
school.
When we went to B school, whatwere they teaching us?
How to run a big box company,how to do management for a big
box company, how to, you know,be a good legal person for a big
box company.
That is all, in my opinion, away of thinking that will not
(44:42):
take us into the next 20 years,in my opinion.
In my opinion, thinkingdifferently is number one and we
can unpack that.
But thinking not mental, see,mental activity is fair Trying
to fix it, fix it, fix it, fixit, fix it, fix it.
Stop, fix it, fix it, fix it.
(45:03):
Or, if you're just gettingstarted, people come to me for
money.
So I hear this all the time oh,if I just had some money.
Oh, if I just had some money.
Oh, if I just had some money.
Oh, if I could just get a loan.
Oh, if I could, just ifsomebody would just send me.
I'm always I mean, honestly,this is kind of spiritually deep
but you have everything youneed inside of you to be
(45:24):
successful for the rest of yourlife.
It's here the mental activity ofworrying about financial
instability is an illusion Foran entrepreneur.
It's an illusion Becauseremember, the reason why you're
an entrepreneur in the firstplace is because you're building
something right.
You're building somethingyourself.
(45:45):
So where's the security in that?
See, that's what Phyllis saidin the beginning.
Just break the whole idea thatthere's supposed to be a
comfortable place for us to sitevery day and just go and get a
check and go home and be withyour family by six.
That shiggity is done, and ifyou're an entrepreneur, it was
never real anyway.
Yeah, you can be with yourfamily all day, every day, if
(46:06):
you want to.
If you're thinking about howyou can do that, it's thinking
Whoa, yeah, it's thinking.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
I know that there's people out there that will look
at the words, and Mark andPhyllis and I have spent a lot
of time on this complexityversus thinking and so on and so
forth.
But you said something Thinkingis what's so important, but yet
we all know that overthinkingis paralysis, right.
(46:38):
And so just if you could kindof put this in a wrap for us, if
you would button up, becauseyou said we don't have enough
reason.
And so in your mindset andunderstanding which I am
agreeing with here 100% aboutnot enough reason, what's the
relationship between reason andthinking and overthinking?
Speaker 3 (46:58):
So when you wake up in the morning, tomorrow's
Wednesday, you'll get up.
Let's say, tomorrow's Friday, Ilike a Friday.
You wake up and of course,people have to be paid, and
including you.
Yeah, the first thing that Iwould do first I'm talking about
get up, brush your teeth, washyour face.
Let's walk it in the morning,maybe have your coffee, sit at
(47:23):
the table and be quiet.
Let's sit.
Let's try not turning thetelevision on, not opening and
checking your bank of Americaaccount, which I trust me will
ruin a whole day, um, anddefinitely not quickly going to
emails.
Let's just start something verybasic to thinking, being quiet
so you can't think about whatyou thought about yesterday and
(47:44):
call it thinking.
So when you sit quiet, thefirst thing you want to do is
clean the slate.
Now what I'm saying, al, soundskind of tough, because no one
wants to do what we're sayingright now.
No one wants to get up in themorning and change their morning
routine Because, remember, wetalked about it, we're on
autopilot from 1985.
Get up, think about yesterday,solve the problem, be stressed
(48:09):
out, because the news on it's awhole wrap.
So what I'm suggesting is afterI'm quiet, I have my coffee, I
thought about?
What do I think about?
We started here in the beginning.
I'm thinking about where I'mgoing, not where I am.
See, that's something verybasic to think about the big
picture every day.
We were taught focus on thesmall stuff, focus on the small
(48:32):
stuff, focus on the small stuff.
Then the big thing will appear,but it's the opposite will
appear, but it's the opposite.
You can't reason based on aproblem.
You got to reason based on afact.
And the fact of the matter isyou already know what you're
building.
You've seen it in your mind.
Remember the sculpture?
We were chipping, chipping,chipping.
It's day 25 out of 50.
(48:54):
It doesn't look like what it'sgoing to look at 50,.
But we're sitting and thinking,reasoning how do I get from
this to there?
And then here's themanifestation part Listening,
stopping to listen, listen, yeah, so the manifesting.
And see, I'm getting into theday to day because, guess what,
(49:15):
I'm that person.
I'm that person.
When I get up in the morning, Ihave a decision to make.
I can ruminate on what happenedyesterday because I'm that
person.
I'm that person.
When I get up in the morning, Ihave a decision to make.
I can ruminate on what happenedyesterday, because I'm
disappointed or I don't knowwhat I'm going to do today.
Usually, I don't know what'sgoing to happen today, so I
could spend my morning thinkingabout what I don't know.
Oh, I don't know how this isgoing to work out.
Oh, I don't know how this isgoing to.
Or I could spend my morningthinking about where I'm trying
(49:36):
to go.
Man, when I'm finished buildingthis division, we're going to
sell 800 units of these jewelrypieces.
I don't care what I have to do,even though I'm dead broke
today, I know it.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
Wow, it's just incredible how you've looped
this.
I mean, there's so manyanalogies and visualizations
you've crafted Well.
Uh, quinnitha Frazier has beenour guest Mark.
Any parting uh words for Q.
Speaker 4 (50:04):
Thank you.
What a wonderful, wonderful uhconversation, and I am sure if
someone is thinking aboutstarting a company, in the midst
of starting a company have beenpart of a company or working
for an organization where theytake an entrepreneurial role
within that company what you'veshared is, and will be, and
continue to be, impactful, sothank you.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
Thank you, mark, and you tell them to keep that coin.
Keep that coin, bill.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
I just Q, first of all, thank you, a million thank
yous.
But what I'm walking away witha couple of things that you just
said, or that I said, based onwhat I heard you say, what got
you here won't get you there,right, right, what got you to
where you are today is not goingto get you to where you want to
go, and that's in part of thatthinking, thinking, thinking,
thinking.
(50:52):
I absolutely love that.
We all have exactly what weneed to be successful, but what
I really hear you say over andover again is sitting in the
pocket of curiosity, and perhapsif we shift a little bit to
curiosity, then things do becomemore simple because there's no
(51:12):
attachment to the outcome.
There's an attachment to thequestion which will provide more
information.
So thank you for those giftstoday.
Speaker 4 (51:22):
Now, that's a mic drop moment, right there I did
it.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
Phil, you just named our show and I don't care what
artificial intelligence tells ussitting in the pocket of
curiosity.
This has been a wonderfuljourney.
Quinnitha Frazier, thank you.
We are going to drop.
Quinnitha Frazier, thank you.
We are going to dropQuinnitha's information in the
show notes.
Also, she's got some other tipsfor entrepreneurs.
(51:46):
We'll put that in there too,along with links to her
wonderful domain and website.
Quinnitha Frazier, thank you somuch.
Speaker 3 (51:55):
You're very welcome.
It's been my pleasure and bewell.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
This is the complexity of toilet paper.
We'll trying to start amovement.
Okay, that was probably a badpun Intended, by the way, but
seriously, the complexity oftoilet paper is about creating
conversations in places wherethings just don't need to be
that complicated.
It's about finding thesimplicity in life and if we
work together, you know what wethink we can actually achieve it
(52:36):
.
So follow us on Facebook, sharethe show, give us your comments
and come back and join us inthe stall.
Okay, I know that I probablytotally Mike-hogged because I
had a crush on her brainwaves,so I want to apologize in
(52:58):
advance.
Speaker 4 (52:59):
I think it was the q and al show for it wasn't that
bad, was it?
can I please talk?
No, it was fine.
You know, q had really so muchto share in a small amount of
time and the, the things thatshe was able to provide, the
(53:21):
things that she's been able todo, and then bring that out as
not only the tips of thinkingwhich I, I just really
appreciate the simplicity ofthat piece, that one tip of just
just think, right, um, notoverthink to your point now, uh,
but this through Ask people,talk to people.
(53:42):
I think that was that wasreally powerful I thought of to
while she was going through itand obviously we didn't have the
time is there's a lot of peoplein entrepreneurial type roles
while they might work for XYZcompany, they're asked to be the
executive director of thatcompany, right, and they have to
(54:05):
run it as if it is theircompany, and so I think that
there's a lot of parts andpieces, that is, if you're not
an entrepreneur by title orbecause you started a business,
that your role, um, your rolereally takes on that, that
element.
So, yeah, it was really great.
I was excited to have her onthe show.
Speaker 2 (54:26):
Phil, you dropped something so amazing sitting in
the pocket of curiosity and Iknow I brought it up at the end
there.
But wow, what a visualization.
And isn't that the essence ofentrepreneurship?
Speaker 1 (54:54):
and problem solving, building something off of almost
nothing and on a promise, right, and you're trying really hard
and you're responsible forpeople.
You're responsible for thepeople in your organization.
You're responsible to thepeople that you say that you
want to serve.
And that comes with a heavyload and I'm just learning
(55:15):
myself at this late stage of mycareer that I don't have to have
all of the answers, I just haveto be curious.
I do not have to know how to doeverything or how to solve for
everything, but I do have to becurious enough to know where to
go to ask questions and who toask questions of, and be at
(55:36):
peace with that and let thatmanifest into something.
Speaker 4 (55:40):
It's the be at peace part that's hard animal hospital
(56:01):
when I owned that and we had avision for that thing, and what
we learned nine months in, ayear in, was the vision that we
wrote out was not the visionthat it became uh, but it became
something beautiful.
So, uh, I love that too, thatthat you've got to be okay with
with you see, you see what youwant it to become, but you have
to be okay with what it'sbecoming and I really did.
(56:21):
I really did enjoy that, thatpiece of insight from from Q as
well.
Speaker 2 (56:25):
Well, and that's that's why that faith piece that
she talked about, and the, theidea that you have to have this
fortitude because that change isgoing to occur yeah, that
vision you had when I startedvalue mapping.
Now much of it is the principlethe same, but the way it's used
(56:45):
and the way it's applied hastotally changed over the years.
And if I didn't allow faith tostep in front of that fortitude
and, I'm sorry, with thefortitude to step in front of
that fear, which I haven'talways done, I'd have never
progressed.
But looking at, it from thispodcast too.
Speaker 4 (57:07):
Right.
We came together, we had avision for it, we started
interviewing folks and westopped a few episodes in and we
said you know what?
We've got to find a better,different way.
And so we've gone back andwe've re-interviewed folks,
we've changed our format, um soeven the vision of this modifies
, so um, so it's a neat place tobe.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
I remodeled my bathroom as a result of this
show.
Now it had nothing to I, just II redid the floorboards.
Speaker 4 (57:38):
Thank you, Phyllis.
Phyllis will come and keep itclean.
Speaker 1 (57:41):
I will.
I'm so happy it brings me greatpeace that you're taking care
of your baseboards.
Speaker 2 (57:46):
You will have to go back to the episode.
I think it was Biohazard tolearn all about Phyllis's
floorboards in her bathroom.
It's a beautiful excavation ofpsyche, yeah it really is.
Speaker 1 (58:00):
It's a beautiful excavation of psyche.
Speaker 2 (58:01):
It really is.
It's amazing.
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Either way, this is I hate tocall it, but it's a movement.
Speaker 3 (58:31):
But it is Let it go.
Speaker 2 (58:32):
I can't, no, I'm never going to not let that go.
But no, it is a movement to.
Okay, I guess.
Speaker 1 (58:41):
Glad you're not constipated about it.
Speaker 2 (58:43):
Stuck in my mind.
Anyway, yeah, that was prettygood.
It was good.
We really want to help you findsimplicity in your life, one
conversation at a time.
Thank you for joining us.
This is the complexity oftoilet paper.
Speaker 1 (59:02):
Did you say toilet?
Speaker 3 (59:02):
paper, everything complicated.
One big, big, big mess.
Sometimes I wish we could go back to a time when
things weren't so complicated.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Welcome to the Complexity of Toilet Paper, the
podcast that dives into theeveryday moments where we
overthink, hesitate or just getstuck.
I'm overthinking, I'm over, I'moverthinking.
Let's hear it for the toiletpaper Through honest
conversations, unexpectedinsights and a whole lot of
(00:28):
humor.
Your hosts, phyllis Martin,mark Pollack and Al Emmerich,
are here to help you roll withit and make your life a little
less complicated.
One conversation at a time,that's right, dude.
The beauty of this is itssimplicity.
Speaking of which, it's time toenter the stall, put the lid
down or not, depending getcomfortable and roll with it.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Oh worry not dear friend.
It's really quite simple.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
This is the complexity of toilet paper.
Welcome to the Vested Studiosof the complexity of toilet
paper.
Welcome to the Vested Studiosof the Complexity of Toilet
Paper.
Yes, we are a fineestablishment where people do
various things party-like, butwe come here to have meaningful
conversations.
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Anything said in the stall isopen to anybody's interpretation
.
How do you guys like that?
Speaker 4 (01:26):
I think you should do the whole show in that voice.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I think our listenership may dwindle very,
very quickly.
First of all, anybody from theother side of the pond is going.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
What is that you?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
know, we as Brits and Aussies do American accents
really well, but you guys suckat us.
Hello, my name is.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Al Emmerich.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
I'm Mark Pollack.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
And I'm Phyllis Martin.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yes, you are, I am, we is and we are the trio that
tries to bring the fun,frivolity, seriousness and even
some deep thinking into thepotty in the place we call the
complexity of toilet paper.
If you're a fellow complexifier, thank you for joining us.
(02:12):
If you're just coming here forthe very first time, hey, you
know what this show is?
Fun in its essence.
We are literally going to dopotty humor, we're going to drop
stupid alliterations, do somepotty talk, but at the end of
the day, what we're reallytrying to do is get out of our
own way and figure out how do wemake life a little more simple,
(02:34):
one conversation at a time, andI want to share that.
You know, in case folks don'tknow, we have hit a pretty big
mile mark.
Actually, we hit it a littlewhile ago, mark right.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Yeah, we crossed over the 500 mark.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
In our first 30 days, so you might be listening to
this a year down the line, buttoday marks a really big
accomplishment, which is 500listens big accomplishment,
which is 500, 500 listens.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
So, in the context of the grand scheme of life, that
is just the fact that we saidwe're going to do it, the fact
that we did it, we launched andwe got out of our own way, and
the fact that that there's beenthese downloads and people have
listened and we've gotten thefeedback we've gotten on
Facebook uh, just, please knowit's, it's a beautiful,
beautiful sense of joy and we'rejust, we're just in the
(03:31):
beginning, but thank you, uh,thank you, for joining us.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
And so if you are joining us and you enjoy the
programming, please go to ourFacebook page.
Please like it, follow it,share with friends and family.
We our goal is to to impact asmany people as possible with
this programming, so your helpin sharing the word will
definitely help us get to thenext milestones.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
You sounded like an NPR ad.
The essence of this programmingis you know, right, there it is
.
It was a little NPR-y Itpre.
Yes, that's cool, though I mean.
You know how I know whensomething's funny.
(04:13):
By the way, I have just figuredout.
Now I know the key to whensomething is funny.
I need to get me a phyllis doll, yes, that I can carry with me
all the time it's not funny,because when I hear without no,
no, no, no, no, when we don'tget that laugh.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
That is the genuine Phyllis finds it funny laugh.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
So let's do this.
We're going to jump into thestall today and we're going to
unpack the complexity ofentrepreneurship, and the person
that we're bringing into thestall with us is a friend of
yours, phyllis.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Tell us about this wonderful person.
Yes, all with us is a friend ofyours, phyllis.
Tell us about this wonderfulperson.
Yes, so we are bringing intothe stall with us the amazing,
incomparable quinita frazier,who, um I am genuinely grateful
to call my friend, um.
Quinita is, uh, like lightningin a.
She's lightning and joy andtruth and happiness and candor
(05:12):
all in one unique potion.
If you are lucky enough to havefive minutes with her, your
life will be forever changed.
And she is one of the strongest, most tenacious, gracious,
graceful person I have ever hadthe opportunity to work with and
(05:34):
to know, and she just shelights up the world, she just
makes the world a better place.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Well, man, I just like, can you introduce Mark and
I to anybody I?
Speaker 4 (05:47):
was just thinking.
I wish I could get anintroduction like that.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I'll introduce both of you next time, okay, that
would be.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
That would be awesome .
Well, in addition to being anative of south carolina, uh,
with an incredible history incharleston county, for the past
20 years, qu Quinnitha hasadvised CEOs and high-impact
community leaders who are tryingto increase their financial
investments and communityresources, so she negotiates
these packages.
She's also the co-founder ofthe Southern Equity Collective,
(06:17):
a change management consultingfirm.
She co-founded a fintechstartup, and what really is
driving her as well is thismission to preserve and promote
the Gullah, geechee and Africanculture in her community and
worldwide by building andsustaining this solidarity and
community connectedness amongblack Americans.
And there's this amazingfoundation that she created and
(06:42):
leads.
It's called the GlobalFoundation for Education and
Economic Mobility.
The domain will be in the shownotes, but, man, you talk about
entrepreneurship.
She graduated from TuskegeeUniversity, she's got an MBA and
I mean, if I listed all thethings right here, we'd have a
seven-hour podcast.
So I think we should justinvite somebody this austere
(07:07):
into the stall.
You think she'll handle thestall.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Well, Phil, I think she is going to handle the stall
just fine.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Because you know we're going to, we're going to
throw the roll up at her andthose questions are going to
come fast.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I think there's going to be a lot of laughter and, I
bet, a few lessons.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
You know it's always good to have a lesson in the
john, all right?
Well, if you haven't heard itby now, this is the complexity
of toilet paper.
I'm overthinking, I'm over, I'moverthinking.
And there, just like a timewarp, did you feel it?
And there, just like a timewarp, did you feel it, it was
that brush, that sound of atoilet flush, and you realize
(07:52):
you've been swept into the stall.
Come on, who's with me?
Q, are you with me?
Yes, okay, the entire podcasthas just fallen off the cliff
because Al has been doingmushrooms and apparently, in the
13 seconds between the open ofthe show, the intro and now here
we are, this all fell down.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
We just never know what to expect.
Once we get through the introand into this section, we're
like how's Al going to startthis thing?
And that's where we started.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Well, welcome to the complexity of toilet paper.
Our stalemate today isQuinnitha Frazier, and may we
call you Q.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Is that appropriate?
Yes, that is appropriate.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
All right, and Q, and it is easy.
It is easy, in fact, I think,we just go this way, the whole
way.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Mark, you're M, phyllis p, I'm a right on and if
we do it in a different,different direction, we're map,
so that even makes it ah, wecould also be pam we could be
pam, that's true.
Right there's lots of options.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Amp I like the amp you be too, amped up yeah
Speaker 2 (09:05):
boom and that's the show.
Ladies and gentlemen, we'redone.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Thank you joining us it's been great being with you
all.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Thanks so much no, no , no, stay with us, stay with us
.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
We got a whole program so, quinita frazier, um,
we've, we've already kind ofgiven the world, uh, your
background.
Phyllis gave you thismagnanimous introduction that
was filled with what I know istruth, but seriously, it was
like it was a love fest on onwho you are as a human being.
(09:34):
And, um, I gave some of thebackground of your, your
professional history, but, hey,nothing is better than the
person themselves.
So, so, give us your like 90second, two minute elevator
pitch, when, when, if we werejust running into you in the
stall, in the bathroom, and wesaid, hey, what do you do?
Of course that wouldn't be agood thing to do, I guess, in
(09:54):
the bathroom, but no no, don'task that question?
Speaker 4 (09:59):
No, I guess like no you shouldn't ask what are you
doing, and you shouldn't askwhat do you do?
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Right, and how long have you been there?
Speaker 2 (10:09):
How would you do?
Speaker 4 (10:11):
that Anyway.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
How long?
Okay, all right, we're flushingthat out.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I love the double.
I love the double entendres.
By the way, I love flushingthis thing out.
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean, that'sabout as intellectual as we get
in this place.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
It's all downhill from here.
So Q tell us about you?
What do you do?
What's your elevator pitch?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
I can do a 90 second.
So I'm Quinita.
I was born to help individualsfirst to identify their purpose
or business purpose, but then toget it funded, and I know that
for sure.
Their purpose or businesspurpose.
But then to get it funded and Iknow that for sure.
And the way that I do that andhave spent the last now 20 years
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doing that is by helping peopleto clarify their mission,
clarify their product and thenclarify who they're going to
sell it to or in my worldbecause I've done mostly impact
fundraising how they're going toask other people to support it.
And I've had and it is a part ofmy very awesome opportunity to
help start hundreds of socialenterprises.
(11:16):
I myself am a serialentrepreneur, so I got to tell
you the way that I've been ableto do this is by myself building
companies, maintaining a way tohelp other, to keep myself
connected to other people whoare also able to bring resources
to the work that I do.
So I'm a military brat.
(11:37):
I have to include that becauseit says a lot about a lot about
my commitment issues, which wecan talk about later.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
That's the other stall, that's the therapy stall
that's right next to it, so wealways supply this for our
guests.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Well, I want them to know that if they ever bump into
me in a stall, don't ask firstof all, but if we do get a
conversation going, they shouldknow that I won't commit to
staying there very long, and Iowe my dad and his military
service to that.
And also I believe that Africanow is a place that I'm also
(12:17):
drawn to, so part of what I amtotally excited about at this
season of my life is building afuture in another continent.
So go figure, foreignentrepreneurs, you know, just
another small risk.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah, just a micro risk there.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Q so Quinnitha all of us are entrepreneurs in our own
right.
You know, the term entrepreneurgets tossed around a lot and
there's.
So let's just, let's justoperate from the functional side
of entrepreneur, right?
You've got a DNA to start upbusinesses, you know.
(12:56):
Leverage your, your ideas andactually do something with them,
right?
Speaker 3 (13:01):
You made it sound so fancy, al, all I'm able to do is
convince people to buy thingsfrom me.
I mean, I think, honestly,every entrepreneur has an
ability to tell someone a dreamor a vision and get them excited
about it, and then they followthem to the marketplace.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
That's interesting, that is true.
But you know what?
I would actually nuance it,because selling an idea is
there's selling the idea andthen there's actually selling
the product behind the idea,right?
(13:39):
Technically, that's likePhyllis Mark and I we've birthed
this podcast and the mindset wehave to adopt isn't that we're
selling anything because we'regiving a gift, because if you
believe in something, that'sright.
If you believe in something,you're not delivering a gift.
(13:59):
I mean, so you're not sellinganything, you're delivering a
gift.
You're giving something thathelps people's lives get better,
right?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Yeah, al, wouldn't it be awesome?
And this is just my one opinionon entrepreneurship.
I live by a theory of sixdegrees and I believe any person
that's selling first you'reright the dream first, then you
have to sell the product it'smuch easier if they can maneuver
through a network with ease.
And so I believe that peoplethat are successful in building
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businesses quickly, it's becausethey have a sound network of
relationships in which to funnelthrough.
Even if they are justmarketplace relationships and
even if they're very structuredbecause of you know, whatever
formal entities, it's, it's thepeople that you're connected to
that gets you off, in my opinion.
I've seen quick launch based onthe wealth of, of, net of, of
(14:54):
relationships.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Yeah, Well, I I'd like to ask you the the a
million dollar question right upfront, which is through the
lens of entrepreneurship howwould you define complexity?
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I would define complexity as the ability to
distinguish between good andgreat, the ability to
distinguish between now or later.
It's the, I would say, thedecision-making in business as
to and I can give an example,but simply put the pass fail.
I call it the pass faildecision or the pass fail
quandary of the entrepreneur.
(15:37):
Because an entrepreneur, eventhe most focused entrepreneur,
even the most trained andexperienced entrepreneur, always
battles with the question ofthis or that, Do I keep this or
do that?
And usually it's at thatcrossroad where an entrepreneur
(15:58):
grows into something else.
Because entrepreneur, to yourpoint, in my opinion, is like a
baseline definition.
That's like vanilla, it's likea skeleton, it's like a.
You know cause?
An entrepreneur can be a lot of, can morph into a, into
something that's more.
I think that's more static.
As an example, I'm anentrepreneur, but I would say
(16:19):
that over the years, becauseI've been working in business,
you've been working in business,we've been selling things, I
wouldn't just say I'm anentrepreneur anymore.
I would say I'm more of a.
I'm a people builder, I'm aresource builder, so and that's
something very unique I havefriends that have done very well
, you know, like in sales or carsales.
I have a guy that owns a carand he wouldn't call himself an
(16:40):
entrepreneur anymore because hehasn't built anything in a while
.
He's like I'm just running a.
I'm a business owner now, whichin my opinion is a bit
different from being anentrepreneur, but I think all
streams lead to lead from thepool of entrepreneurship.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
So when you see schools of entrepreneurship or
you hear these conferences aboutentrepreneurship and this is
leading to a second follow-upquestion about how we
overcomplicate things but I'mjust curious based on your
explanation, do you thinkentrepreneurship can be taught?
Speaker 3 (17:23):
I think that entrepreneurship can be taught
in the way of a coaching.
I think that a trueentrepreneur see, I would use me
as an example.
When I was in the fifth grade,I don't know what caused me to
think that I could sell 25 centbags of popcorn at school, but
there was something in me thatdefinitely prodded me with the
idea that I could earn somethingon my own.
(17:44):
I think that's the spirit of anentrepreneur.
Now, the spirit of theentrepreneur, as I said, can
manifest a lot of ways.
I mean, I could have also saidI'm going to go run a Frito-Lay
company or a Frito-Lay plant andfeel like, oh man, I'm kicking
out hundreds of thousands ofunits of popcorn, but no, no, I
think that the entrepreneur hasa spirit of creation and I think
(18:06):
that that's the beginning ofwhatever that recipe or chemical
balance might be.
You got to have that innovation, that creative streak.
So, to answer your question, Icould teach you how to sell
something, which I've done, I'vebeen taught.
But if you don't have that,build something, do something,
make something, spirit it's, youknow, it'll kind of, it'll melt
(18:30):
away Eventually you'll, you'lljust, you'll just be a manager
of something.
Cause I argue that there's abig difference between a
business owner and entrepreneur.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Absolutely.
Um.
Well, before I go, phil, I knowthat you had a lightning bolt
hit you, so jump please.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yeah, I had like several and I'm going to try to
get it.
I'm going to try to make itsimple.
There you have it.
So, q, I think you know what Ihear you say is this is
entrepreneurship.
Is this unique combination ofcreativity, drive yeah, problem
solving, yeah.
(19:04):
Passion, yes.
Building, drive, problemsolving, passion building.
And when I talk with friends ofmine who are entrepreneurs,
oftentimes, especially in thosehard moments, I'm going to say,
like the dark moments, so muchcomes crashing down.
It seems, yeah, it seems likethat happens.
(19:24):
And even through the course ofour relationship which I can't
believe I've known you foralmost six years now.
I know there have been timeswith your businesses that have
been easier, smooth sailing, andthere have been times that have
been harder.
And so I'm wondering, really,for our listeners, during those
hard times, when things do feelvery complicated or very complex
(19:46):
, what is it that you can shareto help our listeners break from
that, to simplify, to get tothe heart of the matter and keep
moving forward?
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Yeah, Well, I love that, I love that example and I
hope people get this.
There's a two-sided coin, so onone side of the coin there's
something called faith, whichyou know without getting deep,
quote unquote, it's requiredseeing something that isn't
there.
So it's tough.
I'm having a month where I'mdealing with vendors that aren't
(20:20):
working on time.
I'm dealing with employees thatI can't pay because the vendors
didn't deliver on time.
So on one side I got to havefaith that this is going to work
out, because if you don't, youpanic and you go into a
fear-based leadership mode which, if anybody who's ever been an
entrepreneur knows that, whenyou get into that rank you're
(20:43):
sort of just reacting and makingknee-jerk reactions.
It's not a good time.
So you got to have that F, thatfaith on one side of the coin.
Now, on the other side of thecoin is a little friend called
fortitude.
Now, I like people to lookwords up, because that word is
pretty heavy when you look it up.
But fortitude means keep goinganyway.
(21:04):
So there's a wall, but you lookat it and say this must be an
illusion, because I got to gothrough this wall in order to
talk to my team on Friday,knowing that we haven't hit our
sales goal for this quarter, butwe got to get started for the
next quarter.
So fortitude is what says onthe other side of the coin keep
(21:24):
going anyway.
Okay, I didn't hit my goals fortwo quarters, which I've done in
banking, which is not very goodbecause you get shamed at sales
meetings.
I could give up.
I could say, eh, this may notbe for me.
I could even say a lot ofentrepreneurs deal with this.
Maybe I should go back.
That is the monkey on your backat all times.
Maybe I should go back and getsomething more stable.
(21:46):
That's the opposite offortitude.
Fortitude in the inverse isgiving up.
So that's why you need the twoFs.
You need one side of the coin,fortitude.
The other side, faith, faith,faith.
So down times, hard times, takethe coin Both sides, both sides
, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Does this apply to both social entrepreneurship in
your mind as well as thetraditional business
entrepreneurship, because youare both?
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yes, and I think that most traditional business
owners, who are profit motiveonly, shareholders focused only,
they forget that they're doingthe two sides Because see when
you are not really heldaccountable.
So the social let me just quickdistinction social enterprise
we just have, we have an earnedincome model like everybody else
, except there's also acharitable or a impact portion
(22:40):
of results.
You know like, hey, I'm talkingto shareholders, but I'm also
talking to people who care aboutimpact.
Is somebody's life changed,behavior changed, and so forth.
The traditional entrepreneur,that's not a social entrepreneur
, it's profit, it's bottom lines, it's shareholder Are we
getting paid?
But in both instances,especially the traditional
(23:03):
entrepreneur, they are usingthat fortitude.
They just typically are solvingproblems in a more financially
focused manner.
Right, it's more of like hey,man, I got to have faith, or I
got to get this loan, or I gotto get this extension, or you
know.
So people don't kind of flag it.
Those of us in the social spacewere, you know or not, just
(23:23):
people that just acknowledge thetools to success.
They will say no, honey, it wasfaith that got us through this.
So I think, I think it existsin both places.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Yeah, so one of the things that I hear a lot, when,
when you scroll social orwhatever, is this idea of
manifestation, right?
You scroll social or whatever,is this idea of manifestation
right, like?
And what I feel like you'retouching on Q, which is really
powerful and kind of in linewith what a lot of people are
(23:54):
talking about, is having thatvision, right?
So, in order to build something, in order to manifest it and
whatever, whatever methodologyyou want to use in order to do
that, you've got to have a clearvision of what that looks like.
And I, I, when you werespeaking, the first thing that
came to mind to me was an artist, michelangelo.
(24:16):
So you take a look at this pieceof marble, right, and there's
nothing.
It's just a beautiful slab ofmarble, but you've got to see
the figure that's in that marbleand then, as you chip away, and
maybe you make some bad chips,and maybe you make some great
ones, and the marble doesn't cutthe way that you need it to you
, still, that's your fortitude.
(24:37):
You still keep moving forward,knowing that you have that
vision of that marble that's inthere.
Yeah, is that kind of whatyou're talking about as you're
going through this?
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Absolutely, and I'm happy that you said seeing
beyond the marble.
So listen to this, this is true.
I'm saying it because I'vetalked to so many founders.
I know it's true the ability tosee something that already
exists.
Now hear me out.
I know this sounds crazy.
When I'm building a house thisyear, I've got to meet with the
(25:09):
architect.
The architect has got to get mesome blueprints.
Okay, he can either pull mesome blueprints that somebody
has already built a house I mean, hey, just let me kind of stamp
and paste, use the same onethat someone has done.
But even if he uses theblueprint that someone else has,
he's still going to ask so whatcolor inside?
So what type of panel, whattype of floors?
He's still going to ask so whatcolor inside?
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So what type of panel, whattype of floors?
Finishing?
It is required for me to thinkit all the way through to the
final image.
The concept of manifestation isus using our definite ability
because we all have the abilityto see something in our mind
that already exists and thenhaving the fortitude to actually
(25:50):
, as you said, scrape throughthe marble to see it through.
Now, the thing aboutmanifestation is it's a
day-by-day thing Because, likeyou said if you see the
sculpture the first day, oh man,I see it for sure, I know it
exists somewhere.
But then tomorrow I startcarving and it looks totally
opposite of what I thought aboutmine.
Do I say oh, I must have got itwrong.
(26:11):
It must be this, I must no, no,no, no.
You don't do that.
You don't say this is myversion.
You go nah, it's something else, and then you do it again.
So the concept of manifestation, especially in entrepreneurship
, means every day I wake up Ihave to recall the image and I
don't want to jump too fast.
But one of the ways that Ipersonally do that and I
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encourage my team to do it isthrough scripting.
That means writing an actualmovie script that takes you as
much as you can see into the dayto day manifesting, because
it's not from rock to sculpture.
Everyone knows that Like it'slike man.
I started working on asculpture.
If I wrote a script, yeah, man,I started tapping.
The first thing I saw wasMickey.
You know Michelangelo's likesculpture face.
(26:56):
You know bust?
No, you didn't see that.
You started cracking at it.
It looked a mess, but becauseyou wrote your script, it's like
this is a part of it.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
And isn't that part of the challenge, though?
Q, because we live in a worldof instant gratification, that's
it I always tell the story of.
There's two things.
I think that from a sociologystandpoint, this has been
studied, but there were reallythe linchpins in this velocity
towards instant gratification,in this velocity towards instant
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gratification.
First was the credit card, the,you know, because you could get
what you needed in that moment.
You don't have to wait.
Some people say it was the car,but no, you still had to do
things to get the car.
The credit card, boom, it wasjust handed to you practically
early on.
And and then the second is, is,is is the internet, with Google
and search and the ability tofind things Right.
(27:47):
So we want to go from rock tosculpture without in between,
and so I, and and I appreciateyour dipping into your, your,
your solutions, cause we'regoing to, we're going to, we're
going to do that towards the endof the, the program, and I want
to make sure we get those, andwe're going to drop them in show
notes and blow it up.
And you know, q is going to bebigger than famous, and she
(28:09):
already is, but I, I have aquestion that relates to
complicating things.
You are bringing up these,these nuggets, and you talked
about the things that so oftenstand in our way of fear versus
faith, and fear that preventsfortitude.
(28:30):
Can you just and I know there'sa litany of different things,
but I'm literally walkingthrough this queue my own, I
mean, I'm in this excavation ofAl right now, and so this is
very this is beautiful truth.
You're speaking, yeah, but inyour experience as an
entrepreneur, what are the keythings that entrepreneurs
(28:54):
overthink or make more complexthan than they truly need to be?
That stands in their way?
What are those things in your,your experience?
Speaker 3 (29:06):
yeah, you mentioned fear, and in my opinion, there
are two major things, and thefirst and well, to be honest,
all of them have to do with youreyesight A major distraction,
and I call them distractions.
One of the major distractionsfor an entrepreneur is the right
(29:30):
now, and I think you set it upperfectly, because we're trained
to yeah, we're trained to reactright To what we're, what's
what we're looking at and whatwe're seeing in front of us.
Yeah, today you could have saidoh, hey, man, two weeks from
now, I know I'm going to bewealthy and in a good place.
What does that mean?
Well, in two weeks I'm going toget paid from a big job that I
(29:51):
started last week Wonderful.
Yeah, in two weeks I'm going touse that money to pay off about
four or five bills Fantastic.
But today you're sitting in yourhouse and the bill collector's
calling and there are people youhave to pay.
And then, also, you've not keptyour commitments.
That's the worst part.
I mean, you can't do what yousaid you were going to do as an
entrepreneur, yeah.
(30:11):
So the question becomes now howcan I uncomplicate that
situation that I'm sittinginside of right now?
I mean, that's every day.
For now, that could be aneveryday reality.
That makes yes, the distractionis my inability to remember that
on the day that it doesn'texist.
(30:33):
I'm breaking this down sosimple because I want us to take
it day by day.
So, if this is the day twotowards the two I said in two
weeks.
I know it's coming.
I know it's coming, but it'sday five now.
Oh man, these people keepcalling me man.
My mom doesn't understand why Iquit my job to start this
(30:54):
company.
We've been doing pretty goodfor the last two years.
Why am I continuing in this?
But in two weeks?
You know, the big deal iscoming.
In this case looks like beliefNow, belief in who, belief in
what?
Because I'm doing all I can do.
Yeah, belief in what you saw.
(31:19):
It's quite simple.
What we tend to do, al, iswe're waiting for someone to
save us and rescue us from thefire.
For the whole damn two weekswe're like, oh, somebody's got
to come get me out of this.
Oh, where's this person coming?
Oh man, if my wife understood.
Oh, if my husband?
For two weeks we're trying toput out a house fire.
That's actually an illusion.
So the way that we complicatethings is by not seeing the
(31:43):
image that we gave ourself inthe first place, day by day, and
it's very simple.
It's day by day.
It's.
I woke up today and let me tellyou I still struggle with this
and it's so real.
It's so real the feeling ofinadequacy, the feeling of
helplessness and the definitefeeling of the pressure of
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obligation.
Because once you become anentrepreneur, or even
responsible for someone else'slivelihood right, all of a
sudden it's like I can't fail.
I can't fail, I can't fail.
I got to get this.
This has got to work, this hasgot to work.
Remember that voice.
This has got to work.
What we will talk about lateraround solutions has to do with
(32:30):
us dealing with that image,because we really react, and
this everyone knows, thescientific fact, I mean,
whatever we're thinking about,it drives our body to react.
So when I'm low energy, lowenergy, low energy for two weeks
, I'm depressed because why?
I don't believe what I saw?
I only believe what I'm seeing.
The opposite of manifest,that's the opposite of
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manifestation.
Only believing what you see isthe opposite of manifesting.
To manifest, you must hold on,and that's what the fate side of
the coin is.
You must hold on to theoriginal vision.
You got to pull the blueprintout every day, you know.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
You know, q?
When I hear you say that, thisis just what comes to mind.
And first of all, thank youlike a million thank yous for
everything you just said.
It makes me wonder I'm tryingto figure out the right way to
say.
It makes me wonder if thenarratives that we have told
ourselves culturally over timeare the barrier, because
(33:35):
essentially they're not true.
The reality, there arerealities of entrepreneurship
that perhaps we could not.
What I'm hearing is there's anormalization to it and if we
accepted that as normal thosethings that you have just
described, then the self-doubt,the concern we're not doing
enough, the fear admittedly, itcan be scary at times, but more
(34:01):
so the driver lean into thedriver the energy, the
creativity, the knowing what youknow, the vision that you see
could take the place of theother things.
And that could be normal,because everything else is just
part of it.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
There is a trust system that exists, Okay, From
the individual level.
That trust system begins in me.
I trust in myself to deliverwhat I said.
But then there's a trust systembetween the four of us.
If we went back to that system,Phyllis, we wouldn't be cutting
each other out in fear.
(34:39):
Also, we wouldn't stress eachother out because we would have
faith.
Al doesn't let me.
Al keeps his word.
This is a bad month.
He's tripping because somethingisn't happening, but we will
continue to operate beyond thisebb and flow.
See, the truth is we shouldexpect ups and downs.
(35:01):
A farmer should expect to gethis reward based on a great
harvest.
However, the farmer knows thatI could plant 10 seeds, the
birds could eat eight, but Ionly need two to create two huge
trees of more seeds.
It's the way I'm seeing it.
I should expect that the birdsare going to picket my seeds.
(35:22):
It's natural.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
And and I've you know there's a.
This is not an excuse, but itis a.
It is a condition that occurredand we want to go back to
probably mid 2000s, 2013 ago,about the parallels between
(35:53):
fashion, modeling andentrepreneurship.
Wow, and fashion and modelingput out all the magazines and
the dresses and the looks thatthat women mainly and men were
supposed to become.
Well, the same thing happenedwith entrepreneurship.
You got all these startupfunnel, startup accelerators and
(36:15):
all these different eventsbecame sexy in this college and
this college and that, and itwas the celebration.
And my dear friend, ron Benzivused to run a program called One
Million Cups in Orlando,florida, and he said once the
one unmet need that's not stilltoday being touched is the
(36:40):
falsehood of the sexiness ofentrepreneurship, because what
you just said is literally themirror facing lies that we try
to climb out of, the truths.
We run from the fear that werun toward and then away from
the and all those things, andit's the quote unquote dark side
(37:02):
, but it's also the beautifulside, because that's the only
light that you, if you don't getpast that, then you don't get
to the light.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Amen.
You know, that's why I love mybrother that wrote the lean
startup.
I mean when I say I marriedthat concept because he said hey
, before you build the company,make the toaster.
And before you make the toaster, go ask someone that eats toast
.
Now, that's the work.
That, that's the work ofentrepreneur, that's the nobody
(37:32):
wants to go talk to people whoare not paying you for two
months to test a most viableproduct.
Who wants to do that?
Now I again, I, I, I closelycorrelate entrepreneurship with
the creator, the creation, butwhat we and I'm following you,
brother what we did, though, iswe told everybody in corporate
America after 9-11 that you know, this thing is kind of shaky,
(37:55):
but it's cool.
You could always be anentrepreneur.
You could start up everycompany.
We know, google, all of themstart these startup competitions
.
Hey, you come, bring your goodideas and start something, and
you can be free.
You can just be free to haveyour idea be manifested into a
company, and people will workfor you and you can have an
(38:18):
advisory board, and this will begreat.
But what we didn't stop andtell people out is like, just
like the gold rush, you'd beshooting cornflakes through an.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
IV, just like the gold that you'd be shooting
cornflakes through an IV.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
They didn't talk about that part.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
No, I mean seriously.
They didn't tell you thereality, and that reality is the
loneliness, the road, the wholejourney for the founder is so
much and requires so much morethan just building the product.
It's about building within.
(38:53):
Yep, look, q, we could go sevenhours with you and I want to
make sure that we give thebrilliance of your solutions.
But before we get to thesolutions, we have to step into
the stall.
But it's not just any stall, itis time to roll it up, that's
(39:16):
right.
This is the moment, q, when allthe intellect, mastery, wisdom
of your life that you are nowjust showering upon us, right,
it really comes to the nexus nowof the hard questions, the
things that people truly, Ithink, maybe listen to the show
for.
And so, with that, I ask you toplease peel back any layers of
(39:41):
doubt and fear within yourself,apply the fortitude you need to
answer the following question,mark.
Start us off.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
All right.
So when it comes to toiletpaper, do you like it wet or dry
?
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Dry, Dry, dry dry, dry, dry.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Wow, that may have been the most emphatic answer
ever.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Man there's no room for no doubt.
Yeah, kind of clear on that one.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Kind of clear on that one.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
All right, I will go next, since, since you are
phil's guest, we'll let her uh,go go last here um one ply
single ply or two ply toiletpaper gotta be double, gotta be
two ply.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
It's only worth it if it's two ply.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Now, come on, he wants one ply of anything we
have had lots of discussionsabout this queue and and, and we
believe we need to interviewsomebody from one of the major
or all the major.
Maybe we get them on and we canhave a toilet paper fight, but
let's get them all yeah, what'syour?
Speaker 1 (40:39):
what's your favorite potty pastime?
What do you got going on?
What are you doing there inaddition?
Thanks for clarifying that Ijust didn't want to, I didn't
want to answer, you know, in away that would embarrass her
later, although this couldembarrass her anyway I'm gonna
think I'm embarrassed, I'm gonnathink this through one of the
major like needle points.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
Oh man, I don't read because I'm never there long
enough, because I like to read,like, just really read.
I'm telling you contemplativethinking.
I gotta just break it down.
I'm getting a lot of thinkingdone.
Yeah, because it's quiet itusually.
You know it's very comfortable,even if you have company.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
You can kind of pull away, you know, to the washroom
did you just say pull away, solike that's such a, that's such
a nice way well, that's a greatlead in.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
That's a great lead into my next's a great lead-in
to my next question, and this isprobably the most important out
of all of them.
So visualize you've taken thebrand new roll of toilet paper
out of its plastic wrap andyou've taken the little squishy
thing that holds it to the wallright and you going to put it in
(41:49):
the toilet paper holder.
Is it up or over or under?
How dare you ask me?
Of course it's over.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Yes, does anyone do an under?
They do.
Does anyone keep an under?
Speaker 4 (42:04):
We don't allow them back on the show, don't do it,
they're a one and done.
In fact, we end the show.
There are we don't.
Don't do it, they're a one anddone.
They're a one and done.
In fact, we end the show righthere.
If they say under, we're likethanks for joining.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
We have listeners who are under.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
I know I'm just making a big deal for Q, I know,
oh, sorry my bad.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
How dare I so?
Three, five solutions, waysthat, for those who are
(42:42):
entrepreneurs or thinking aboutbecoming entrepreneurs, ways
that they can simplify their,their work, their thinking.
The way that they can simplifytheir work, their thinking, the
way that they approach the work.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
The number one thing, honest to God, is we need to
stop and think, think.
It sounds like something verysimple, but we've been having
lots of mental activity.
I'm going to say that again.
I think that one of the firstand easiest things that we can
begin doing is thinking, andthinking has to do with three
(43:14):
major things.
Okay, you're starting abusiness.
Of course you need to belogical.
Logic is in thinking.
So I would say you know, ifyou're, if you are an
entrepreneur right now andyou're in a tough place, me, I'm
just being honest.
I am an illogical entrepreneurbecause I lean heavily on the
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second thing that you do.
When you think, you reason.
I like to reason.
I'm like, hey, maybe it'll workout this way, but if we do it
this way, then we can do it thisway.
And in my opinion, we don'treason enough in business
anymore.
We kind of just want to usesomething that's been on a shelf
or rely on emotions that we hadin 1985 to determine how we
(43:59):
react to things.
But I'm of the mind that we'rein a new paradigm in business
where we will be required tothink differently.
And I know that sounds verystatus quo when people say think
differently, think outside thebox, do something new.
We honestly are going to haveto do that, like, think
differently the big box.
(44:20):
You know, when we went to Bschool, all of us went to B
school.
When we went to B school, whatwere they teaching us?
How to run a big box company,how to do management for a big
box company, how to, you know,be a good legal person for a big
box company.
That is all, in my opinion, away of thinking that will not
(44:42):
take us into the next 20 years,in my opinion.
In my opinion, thinkingdifferently is number one and we
can unpack that.
But thinking not mental, see,mental activity is fair Trying
to fix it, fix it, fix it, fixit, fix it, fix it.
Stop, fix it, fix it, fix it.
(45:03):
Or, if you're just gettingstarted, people come to me for
money.
So I hear this all the time oh,if I just had some money.
Oh, if I just had some money.
Oh, if I just had some money.
Oh, if I could just get a loan.
Oh, if I could, just ifsomebody would just send me.
I'm always I mean, honestly,this is kind of spiritually deep
but you have everything youneed inside of you to be
(45:24):
successful for the rest of yourlife.
It's here the mental activity ofworrying about financial
instability is an illusion Foran entrepreneur.
It's an illusion Becauseremember, the reason why you're
an entrepreneur in the firstplace is because you're building
something right.
You're building somethingyourself.
(45:45):
So where's the security in that?
See, that's what Phyllis saidin the beginning.
Just break the whole idea thatthere's supposed to be a
comfortable place for us to sitevery day and just go and get a
check and go home and be withyour family by six.
That shiggity is done, and ifyou're an entrepreneur, it was
never real anyway.
Yeah, you can be with yourfamily all day, every day, if
(46:06):
you want to.
If you're thinking about howyou can do that, it's thinking
Whoa, yeah, it's thinking.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
I know that there's people out there that will look
at the words, and Mark andPhyllis and I have spent a lot
of time on this complexityversus thinking and so on and so
forth.
But you said something Thinkingis what's so important, but yet
we all know that overthinkingis paralysis, right.
(46:38):
And so just if you could kindof put this in a wrap for us, if
you would button up, becauseyou said we don't have enough
reason.
And so in your mindset andunderstanding which I am
agreeing with here 100% aboutnot enough reason, what's the
relationship between reason andthinking and overthinking?
Speaker 3 (46:58):
So when you wake up in the morning, tomorrow's
Wednesday, you'll get up.
Let's say, tomorrow's Friday, Ilike a Friday.
You wake up and of course,people have to be paid, and
including you.
Yeah, the first thing that Iwould do first I'm talking about
get up, brush your teeth, washyour face.
Let's walk it in the morning,maybe have your coffee, sit at
(47:23):
the table and be quiet.
Let's sit.
Let's try not turning thetelevision on, not opening and
checking your bank of Americaaccount, which I trust me will
ruin a whole day, um, anddefinitely not quickly going to
emails.
Let's just start something verybasic to thinking, being quiet
so you can't think about whatyou thought about yesterday and
(47:44):
call it thinking.
So when you sit quiet, thefirst thing you want to do is
clean the slate.
Now what I'm saying, al, soundskind of tough, because no one
wants to do what we're sayingright now.
No one wants to get up in themorning and change their morning
routine Because, remember, wetalked about it, we're on
autopilot from 1985.
Get up, think about yesterday,solve the problem, be stressed
(48:09):
out, because the news on it's awhole wrap.
So what I'm suggesting is afterI'm quiet, I have my coffee, I
thought about?
What do I think about?
We started here in the beginning.
I'm thinking about where I'mgoing, not where I am.
See, that's something verybasic to think about the big
picture every day.
We were taught focus on thesmall stuff, focus on the small
(48:32):
stuff, focus on the small stuff.
Then the big thing will appear,but it's the opposite will
appear, but it's the opposite.
You can't reason based on aproblem.
You got to reason based on afact.
And the fact of the matter isyou already know what you're
building.
You've seen it in your mind.
Remember the sculpture?
We were chipping, chipping,chipping.
It's day 25 out of 50.
(48:54):
It doesn't look like what it'sgoing to look at 50,.
But we're sitting and thinking,reasoning how do I get from
this to there?
And then here's themanifestation part Listening,
stopping to listen, listen, yeah, so the manifesting.
And see, I'm getting into theday to day because, guess what,
(49:15):
I'm that person.
I'm that person.
When I get up in the morning, Ihave a decision to make.
I can ruminate on what happenedyesterday because I'm that
person.
I'm that person.
When I get up in the morning, Ihave a decision to make.
I can ruminate on what happenedyesterday, because I'm
disappointed or I don't knowwhat I'm going to do today.
Usually, I don't know what'sgoing to happen today, so I
could spend my morning thinkingabout what I don't know.
Oh, I don't know how this isgoing to work out.
Oh, I don't know how this isgoing to.
Or I could spend my morningthinking about where I'm trying
(49:36):
to go.
Man, when I'm finished buildingthis division, we're going to
sell 800 units of these jewelrypieces.
I don't care what I have to do,even though I'm dead broke
today, I know it.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
Wow, it's just incredible how you've looped
this.
I mean, there's so manyanalogies and visualizations
you've crafted Well.
Uh, quinnitha Frazier has beenour guest Mark.
Any parting uh words for Q.
Speaker 4 (50:04):
Thank you.
What a wonderful, wonderful uhconversation, and I am sure if
someone is thinking aboutstarting a company, in the midst
of starting a company have beenpart of a company or working
for an organization where theytake an entrepreneurial role
within that company what you'veshared is, and will be, and
continue to be, impactful, sothank you.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
Thank you, mark, and you tell them to keep that coin.
Keep that coin, bill.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
I just Q, first of all, thank you, a million thank
yous.
But what I'm walking away witha couple of things that you just
said, or that I said, based onwhat I heard you say, what got
you here won't get you there,right, right, what got you to
where you are today is not goingto get you to where you want to
go, and that's in part of thatthinking, thinking, thinking,
thinking.
(50:52):
I absolutely love that.
We all have exactly what weneed to be successful, but what
I really hear you say over andover again is sitting in the
pocket of curiosity, and perhapsif we shift a little bit to
curiosity, then things do becomemore simple because there's no
(51:12):
attachment to the outcome.
There's an attachment to thequestion which will provide more
information.
So thank you for those giftstoday.
Speaker 4 (51:22):
Now, that's a mic drop moment, right there I did
it.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
Phil, you just named our show and I don't care what
artificial intelligence tells ussitting in the pocket of
curiosity.
This has been a wonderfuljourney.
Quinnitha Frazier, thank you.
We are going to drop.
Quinnitha Frazier, thank you.
We are going to dropQuinnitha's information in the
show notes.
Also, she's got some other tipsfor entrepreneurs.
(51:46):
We'll put that in there too,along with links to her
wonderful domain and website.
Quinnitha Frazier, thank you somuch.
Speaker 3 (51:55):
You're very welcome.
It's been my pleasure and bewell.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
This is the complexity of toilet paper.
We'll trying to start amovement.
Okay, that was probably a badpun Intended, by the way, but
seriously, the complexity oftoilet paper is about creating
conversations in places wherethings just don't need to be
that complicated.
It's about finding thesimplicity in life and if we
work together, you know what wethink we can actually achieve it
(52:36):
.
So follow us on Facebook, sharethe show, give us your comments
and come back and join us inthe stall.
Okay, I know that I probablytotally Mike-hogged because I
had a crush on her brainwaves,so I want to apologize in
(52:58):
advance.
Speaker 4 (52:59):
I think it was the q and al show for it wasn't that
bad, was it?
can I please talk?
No, it was fine.
You know, q had really so muchto share in a small amount of
time and the, the things thatshe was able to provide, the
(53:21):
things that she's been able todo, and then bring that out as
not only the tips of thinkingwhich I, I just really
appreciate the simplicity ofthat piece, that one tip of just
just think, right, um, notoverthink to your point now, uh,
but this through Ask people,talk to people.
(53:42):
I think that was that wasreally powerful I thought of to
while she was going through itand obviously we didn't have the
time is there's a lot of peoplein entrepreneurial type roles
while they might work for XYZcompany, they're asked to be the
executive director of thatcompany, right, and they have to
(54:05):
run it as if it is theircompany, and so I think that
there's a lot of parts andpieces, that is, if you're not
an entrepreneur by title orbecause you started a business,
that your role, um, your rolereally takes on that, that
element.
So, yeah, it was really great.
I was excited to have her onthe show.
Speaker 2 (54:26):
Phil, you dropped something so amazing sitting in
the pocket of curiosity and Iknow I brought it up at the end
there.
But wow, what a visualization.
And isn't that the essence ofentrepreneurship?
Speaker 1 (54:54):
and problem solving, building something off of almost
nothing and on a promise, right, and you're trying really hard
and you're responsible forpeople.
You're responsible for thepeople in your organization.
You're responsible to thepeople that you say that you
want to serve.
And that comes with a heavyload and I'm just learning
(55:15):
myself at this late stage of mycareer that I don't have to have
all of the answers, I just haveto be curious.
I do not have to know how to doeverything or how to solve for
everything, but I do have to becurious enough to know where to
go to ask questions and who toask questions of, and be at
(55:36):
peace with that and let thatmanifest into something.
Speaker 4 (55:40):
It's the be at peace part that's hard animal hospital
(56:01):
when I owned that and we had avision for that thing, and what
we learned nine months in, ayear in, was the vision that we
wrote out was not the visionthat it became uh, but it became
something beautiful.
So, uh, I love that too, thatthat you've got to be okay with
with you see, you see what youwant it to become, but you have
to be okay with what it'sbecoming and I really did.
(56:21):
I really did enjoy that, thatpiece of insight from from Q as
well.
Speaker 2 (56:25):
Well, and that's that's why that faith piece that
she talked about, and the, theidea that you have to have this
fortitude because that change isgoing to occur yeah, that
vision you had when I startedvalue mapping.
Now much of it is the principlethe same, but the way it's used
(56:45):
and the way it's applied hastotally changed over the years.
And if I didn't allow faith tostep in front of that fortitude
and, I'm sorry, with thefortitude to step in front of
that fear, which I haven'talways done, I'd have never
progressed.
But looking at, it from thispodcast too.
Speaker 4 (57:07):
Right.
We came together, we had avision for it, we started
interviewing folks and westopped a few episodes in and we
said you know what?
We've got to find a better,different way.
And so we've gone back andwe've re-interviewed folks,
we've changed our format, um soeven the vision of this modifies
, so um, so it's a neat place tobe.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
I remodeled my bathroom as a result of this
show.
Now it had nothing to I, just II redid the floorboards.
Speaker 4 (57:38):
Thank you, Phyllis.
Phyllis will come and keep itclean.
Speaker 1 (57:41):
I will.
I'm so happy it brings me greatpeace that you're taking care
of your baseboards.
Speaker 2 (57:46):
You will have to go back to the episode.
I think it was Biohazard tolearn all about Phyllis's
floorboards in her bathroom.
It's a beautiful excavation ofpsyche, yeah it really is.
Speaker 1 (58:00):
It's a beautiful excavation of psyche.
Speaker 2 (58:01):
It really is.
It's amazing.
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(58:24):
Either way, this is I hate tocall it, but it's a movement.
Speaker 3 (58:31):
But it is Let it go.
Speaker 2 (58:32):
I can't, no, I'm never going to not let that go.
But no, it is a movement to.
Okay, I guess.
Speaker 1 (58:41):
Glad you're not constipated about it.
Speaker 2 (58:43):
Stuck in my mind.
Anyway, yeah, that was prettygood.
It was good.
We really want to help you findsimplicity in your life, one
conversation at a time.
Thank you for joining us.
This is the complexity oftoilet paper.
Speaker 1 (59:02):
Did you say toilet?
Speaker 3 (59:02):
paper, everything complicated.
One big, big, big mess.
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