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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello and welcome to
the Confident Musicianing
Podcast.
My name is Eleanor and I am aBritish American oboist studying
at the Royal Conservatoire ofScotland literally my dream
school and it took me a long wayto get there.
I applied and auditioned for 12schools in three different
countries.
It was a lot of hard work but,oh my gosh, so worth it.
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I want you to have theconfidence to work hard in
achieving your goals, so comewith me as we go on this journey
together.
So sit down, pull up a chair,take a seat or, if you're on the
go, welcome to the ConfidentMusicianing Podcast.
Hello, hello, hello, andwelcome back to another episode
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of the Confident MusicianingPodcast.
I am so glad that you are here.
We're going to have some funtoday.
It's going to be good.
Today we are going to betalking basically, about
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something really exciting.
I did my very first orchestracourse, and what I mean by that
is like it was a week-longsummer intense course, as it
like as being in an orchestra.
And so what when I, when I saythat, know I've done youth
orchestra things before.
I've been in youth orchestras,but they weren't like week-long
intensives.
I've never done that formatbefore and it was interesting
and it was such a fun experienceand I want to share with you my
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takeaways, because, whether youhave done so many of these and
you're just interested to seewhat maybe I think about them,
or you're thinking about doingyour first one.
Let's just dive right into whatmy takeaways are, but before we
do that, there's like a littlelife update, part of the episode
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, and basically what that is isI just share something with you,
something small sometimes it'snot that small about something
I've either been working on orI've done, or something exciting
.
And today it's an interestingone because I've been posting a
lot on Instagram.
For over three years now I havebeen posting on Instagram and I
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love sharing my journey as anoboist with you guys on
Instagram, and it's actuallyreally funny because people ask
me all the time why did youstart doing Instagram?
Why did you decide to startposting videos about obo?
And it's a really funny storyas to why I started.
I started at the beginningbecause I wanted to create a
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portfolio, a portfolio foruniversities and conservatories
that I was applying to to kindof see my playing, because I was
nervous that, like I would doan audition and afterwards I'd
be like, oh, I wish I had doneit like this or like that.
And so my strategy was Icreated an Instagram and I
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created it was like a portfolio.
It was just like playing videosand things like that.
I think there were some othervideos, but like it was playing,
and I put that in my likepersonal statements, in my, at
least for the UK, myapplications, and I don't the UK
my, my applications and I don'tknow if they saw it.
I don't know if they looked atit, but for me that was kind of
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like oh, I want to show themmore of you know what I practice
and and other things that I'vebeen playing and things like
that.
And so for me, um, that wasthat was a portfolio I did.
And then, after I got into theprograms I got into and I
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decided I actually startedgetting messages from some of
you guys saying things like ohmy gosh, you know your videos
are really helpful to me or Ifind them really fascinating or
interesting.
And I thought, thought, okay, Ineed to continue to do this on
Instagram for the reason ofsharing these things.
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And I realized after that I waslike it's interesting, because
during my applications forconservatoires, there were
things that I felt very lonelyin, very kind of isolated.
I think that that was just kindof me.
Um, I think especially becauseI was transitioning from the
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American style of overplaying tothe European at that point not
yet, but I was thinking about itand I was nervous that it
wouldn't work.
And I was scouring the internetand I couldn't find anything.
And I was like, oh gosh,wouldn't work.
And I was scouring the internetand I couldn't find anything
and I was like, oh gosh, youknow, I wish there was someone
on the internet who could tellme if this will work or not.
Um, and obviously therecouldn't be anyone who would
definitely tell me, but, likesomeone who has experienced this
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before, and so I decided, afterI got into the school that I
got into, I decided, um, I wasgoing to be that person.
So that's why I have beendocumenting my Oboe journey on
Instagram.
Now, the life update thing.
You might be wondering why I'mtelling you this is because I'm
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starting to do it more on TikTok.
Now I kind of didn't do TikTokfor the majority of the time.
I only got it in this year,like earlier this year, and I am
really starting to kind of postmore on there as well, and so
if you want to join me onInstagram and join me on TikTok,
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those things will be linked inthe description in the show
notes.
I really hope to see you therebecause I'm very excited about
the things that I am sharingover there.
Yeah, all right, let's get backto the course.
Let's get back to this.
The thing that you know is thetitle of the episode my very
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first orchestra course.
This course was so much fun, soit was in Edinburgh.
I commuted every single day.
It was, I think, eight or ninedays.
It was eight days.
It was eight days.
Um, I commuted every single dayand I have not really commuted
that much continuously before,so that was something that was
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really exciting.
Um, and, yeah, it was.
We played Holst's Planets andthen we had some other
supplementary pieces to go withit, and it was every single day.
The rehearsals were like fromfive or sorry, from seven hours
to nine hours long, and we justdid these, these pieces and
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these pieces, and we hadsectionals, and then we had
rehearsals together and then wehad, you know, other other
things and it was so intense.
It was so intense and so muchfun, and afterwards I was so
tired, just so extremely tired,and it's been about a week-ish
since I've done that a littlemore and I am excited to tell
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you about the takeaways.
So let's dive right into thetakeaways.
The first takeaway was that itwas so intense and so worth it.
And this is interesting becausemy mindset changed throughout
the course.
The first two days of the courseI was really overwhelmed by the
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intensity.
I had never really donesomething like that as much and
I was really nervous about doingevery single day at this
intensity.
I was nervous and I think Ikind of started to psych myself
out.
I let the overwhelm kind oftake over me and for those first
two days I enjoyed them, but Iwas also extremely anxious and
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extremely nervous and I yeah, Iwas just kind of worried about
it.
And it's interesting because Itook those two days and then the
third day there was actually astorm and the trains, all the
trains, got cancelled and Icouldn't actually get to
Edinburgh and so they, I like,couldn't go that day and like
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that was that was fine, likethere were other people who
couldn't go.
It was kind of like a thingthat like part of the orchestra
was not able to other people whocouldn't go.
It was kind of like a thingthat like part Of the orchestra
was not able to be there thatday and I was one of those
people.
And having that extra day tokind of just sit and think about
this situation and kind of havesome breathing space, I felt
quite claustrophobic in this, inthis schedule.
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Having breathing space reallyhelped me realize.
In this schedule, havingbreathing space really helped me
realize.
Number one it's not that long,it'll be okay, it's just a week
and it's an intense week, butit's a week.
And number two this is anamazing opportunity.
Like it's an amazingopportunity to be able to play
this.
We're playing host planets, allof the planets, and I was like
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I want to give this my all, likeI, I really want to give this
my all and yes, I'll be tired,but that is just the byproduct
of having a really good time inorchestra.
And so then when I got back umthe next day, I just gave it my
all and the thing about it,because then you're like, okay,
well, how did you not burn out?
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Or feel burnt out?
I think at the end of it, Idefinitely felt like I didn't
want to play the oboe for a dayor two.
But I made sure I had a balance.
I had a balance of doing thingswhere I'm like really focused
in orchestra.
Then when I got home I reallyrested, I rested, I did things,
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I enjoyed.
I didn't think about the music,I didn't think about that, so I
could create kind of thatbalance.
On the train I knitted, I madea thing like I just would knit
and knit and knit.
That really helped my brainjust kind of chill and that was
a really good balance to havebetween the you know, really
important go time and the reallyimportant rest time.
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The second thing is theimportance of playing in an
orchestra setting.
It's interesting because I didyouth orchestra for three years
in the US and that was an everyweek thing.
It was like three hours everysingle week and so it wasn't
like a week-long course, right.
And it's interesting because Idid that.
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And then I came over to the UK,I started my degree and during
my first year I did orchestraprojects, like I played in an
opera and I did wind orchestraand things like that.
But I wasn't in like fullorchestra.
I didn't get put in that forfirst year for first year, and
so because of that.
Like I don't think I realizedit was like, oh yeah, no, I'm
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doing projects and whatnot.
But then when I got into thisorchestra course, it just
reminded me of just how much Ilove playing in a full orchestra
and just how important it is toget practice playing in a full
orchestra, and so I think it'sso important if you have not
joined, like a youth orchestraor something like that, like I
invite you to do that, justaudition, just join.
You know, it depends, some ofthem you audition, some of them
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you don't.
But, like you know, if you, ifyou need to audition, just
audition and and and just havefun with it, because it's such a
good learning opportunity, um,to be able to be in that setting
in an orchestra, and it's somuch fun.
It really really is and it justit felt kind of nostalgic as
well, like I felt really coolbecause that orchestra I was in
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in the States was such a cool,amazing place to be, an amazing
orchestra and and it justreminded me of that and that
made me really happy as well.
So the third thing is beingresourceful and focusing on the
joy.
I think I kind of smushed twothings in this third one.
So let's break it down.
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So, for instance, this week Ihad a specific challenge for me
and that was that I had to playthe cor anglais, the English
horn, and there are two stylesof like keys on on oboes and cor
anglais, and the style that I'mused to is called the
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conservatoire style and that isa key style.
They're, like you know,different kind of fingerings for
whatever the notes are.
But then there's a differentstyle that's very common in the
UK, called the thumb plate style, which I am not as familiar
with, and the core anglais thatthey have me play was a thumb
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plate core anglais.
And so basically some of thenotes were different, like how
you, how you play the notes, howyou you know what fingers you
put down to play the notes.
They were different.
And so at the beginning of theweek I was kind of like, ah, you
know, I was stressed out and Iwas like working through it and
I was making a lot of mistakes.
But by the end of the week, youknow, I decided at that point I
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had decided to be resourcefuland flexible.
I was like, okay, this issomething I've never well, I
have kind of played thumb play alittle bit before, but it was
like this is a big deal, this isreally important.
I'm not really sure how to dothis, but I'm going to give it
my all and I'm going to beresourceful and I'm going to
learn from it so that later inmy oboe career, if anyone's like
, hey, you know you need to dothis, or let's say, I don't know
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, my oboe needs repairing and Ihave something I need to do and
the only oboe that I'm able toget a hold of is a thumb play
oboe, having this experiencemight be really helpful for that
.
So for me, I saw it as a reallyimportant learning opportunity
and by the end of the week, Iwas doing it, and I was doing it
without thinking and I was soproud of myself and it was so
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cool, and so I think that thatis a really important thing and
I'm really proud of myself forthat.
But being resourceful, you know, if you have an issue, if you
have an issue, if you have aproblem, I invite you to be like
how can I creatively solve this, rather than, oh my gosh,
there's another issue.
Do you know what I mean?
And then, with the focusing onthe joy at the end of the week I
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was playing two concerts in achurch.
I I was playing Holst's Planets.
It was amazing and it wasactually part of the Edinburgh
Fringe, so that was quite asurreal experience and it just
reminded me the importance ofjoy in playing.
It is so important to focus onthe joy and the feeling of the
music.
It's so important and I had somuch fun, right, yeah, oh, it
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All right, let's do a recap.
So the first thing it was sointense, but so worth it.
And once I changed my mindsetfrom oh my gosh, this is so
intense to this is intense, butI'm ready for it, and I I
changed my mindset from oh mygosh, this is so intense to this
is intense, but I'm ready forit and I'm gonna balance out
working hard to resting hard.
It was so much better.
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The second thing is theimportance of playing in an
orchestra setting.
This experience reminded me ofhow important playing in an
orchestra setting is and Iinvite you to do that, to play
in an orchestra setting and tojoin that youth orchestra or
audition for that ensemble orwhatever it is, because it is is
so, so, so good to get thatexperience.
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And the last thing is beingresourceful and focusing on the
joy.
I had a problem, right, I hadone type of experience in terms
of playing one type of coranglais and they had a different
cor anglais and I really neededto figure that out and work
through it and I decided I'mgoing to do it and it's going to
be a learning opportunity.
And by the time it was theconcert oh my gosh, it was so
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much fun.
All right, that is about it forthis episode.
Thank you so much for hangingout with me.
I am so, so, so grateful.
Again, all the links to do withthis episode will be in the
show notes, from the link toInstagram, to my TikTok, to the
Notable Practice Journal as well.
Yeah, I hope you enjoyed thisepisode and if you did, please
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do like and subscribe, followall of the things and share it
with all of your musical friends, and I will see you in the next
episode.
All right, take care bye.