July 8, 2025 • 66 mins
In this expansive episode, sound healer and former corporate scientist, Ruslana Remennikova, joins me to discuss her incredible new book, "Activating Our 12-Stranded DNA."
This episode is loaded with info about our 12-stranded DND – the concept that suggests humans possess a potential for a much more complex DNA structure with 12 strands.
A truly fascinating topic. Some of the concepts include how:
- How to transform our DNA from the standard double helix into its 12-stranded, dodecahedral form.
- How this form encompasses sound frequency, water consciousness, generational trauma, and the transformative ability to unlock profound spiritual potential, heightened consciousness, and psychic abilities.
An absolutely incredible episode! Listen or watch now.
About: Ruslana Remennikova is a former research scientist for the Fortune 100 – ranked company Thermo Fisher Scientific where she worked with vaccine sciences. In a 2016 leap of faith for a more meaningful life, she left the world of corporate science to open a sound medicine practice later while writing her first book. She is the founder of Songbird Science, a research and education enrichment provider exploring frequency and consciousness. Born in Ukraine, she currently resides in central Virginia.
https://ruslanaremennikova.com
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(00:07):
Hello. And welcome to the Contestiba
podcast. I'm Tatiana.
In this episode, sound healer and former corporate scientist
Ruslana Romanikova joins me to discuss her incredible new book,
Activating Our 12 Stranded DNA. This is a lengthy episode loaded
with info about our 12 stranded DNA, the concept that suggests
(00:27):
humans possess a potential for amuch more complex DNA structure
with 12 strands. I'm excited to delve into this
truly fascinating topic. Some of the concepts include how
to transform our DNA from the standard double Helix into its
12 stranded dodectahedral form and how this form encompasses
sound frequency, water consciousness, generational
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trauma, and the transformative ability to unlock profound
spiritual potential, heightened consciousness, and psychic
abilities. An absolutely incredible
episode. Listen or watch now wherever you
get your podcasts. And if you like this episode,
please write a review and followme on Instagram and YouTube at
the Conscious Diva. Thank you so much for listening.
(01:14):
I'm so honored to be here. Thank you for having me.
Yeah, you're. Welcome.
And it's really exciting. I'm just going to hold it up.
Activating our 12 stranded DNA secrets of Dodectohedral DNA for
completing our human evolution. Thank.
Isn't that a beautiful cover created by inner traditions?
It is. It's awesome.
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And so this this is not a light read.
This is not a you can't just sitback and read it when you're
half asleep. Maybe like going to go to bed
and kind of think you can read achapter or so, but there's no
way you need to be wide awake. So actually, I'm going to just
begin with explain what? What is this 12 stranded DNA?
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We're mostly familiar with the double Helix, right?
That's the most common theory. Thank you for asking.
Thanks for the opportunity to share about it.
So you're right, we are so conditioned to remember to kind
of understand what the double Helix is for almost, it's been
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72 years that this has been introduced to us.
Yet we live in such an exciting time where organically people
are starting to talk about a more complex DNA molecule.
And it's funny, when I wrote this book, I completely
surrendered to this idea of whatdoes 12 strands of DNA even
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mean? So I kind of threw myself out
there without any resources of, you know, without researching
what is 12 stranded DNA online, you know, but I wanted to kind
of investigate the tapestry of all of the information that we
have already available at our hands.
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But look at DNA, the DNA molecule that is, is so much
more elegant and sophisticated. I came in with an intuition that
the DNA molecule that we that makes us, you know, that that's
the month, the, the, the hallmark of life.
What could it be like beyond a double Helix?
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That was the first question thatI personally embodied in this
process of of writing this book.And I have a scientific
background. I graduated from Virginia
Commonwealth University, which is in Richmond, VA with two
bachelors, one in biology and one in chemistry.
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I was 3 credits away from triplemajoring in forensic science.
And then I landed a job at pharmaceutical product
development where I worked as a bench analyst in the
immunochemistry department. And then I was very curious.
I've always wanted to branch out, learn from different
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departments. So I worked in vaccine sciences
and then I also worked in cell based assays as well.
Cumulatively, I worked for this company, which is now Thermo
Fisher Scientific for nearly a decade, and I had the
opportunity to work in a vaccinelab at the time.
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So with the background in microbiology and with also
genetic substances, I felt that I was I could do so much more
with my curiosity and intuition.I had more drive to not only
just research with the clients requests and kind of what I was
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asked to do in a corporate setting.
I wanted to go further. And to be quite frank, I, I
would not want to be my own bossbecause I know how I, I just
generally like to push beyond the status quo of what we
already know. So when I was, and, and it came
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twice, actually, it came twice where I felt so suffocated by
the system because I wanted to continue looking more at the
spiritual and physical and energetic vortex of what DNA is.
And I couldn't do that in a, in a pharmaceutical lab.
So I made the leap I made, I made the leap to to write this
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book because through the writing, through the
researching, this seed that activated within me about how
complex our DNA is and how we are so much more, we've got so
much more potential than a double strand.
It came to me in my writing. It, it, it was just so
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phenomenal the process of writing and understanding and
seeing, yes, the affirmation andthe confirmation of, of what I
was originally being guided to, which is the 12th stranded DA,
but also be beyond that. It, it, it's, it's, it's sort of
the visionary blueprint of the future.
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And as I was segueing into this originally, it's really exciting
to see how, you know, there's a collective sort of inherent
understanding that our DNA is somuch more than what was
presented to us in textbooks decades ago.
And a lot, you know, a lot of people now are coming together
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and saying how can we activate our toll stranded DNA?
And that's exciting. All of that's exciting.
It also sort of speaks to the time that we're in and the fact
that as a collective, we are hungry, we are seeking, we're
thirsty, we're seeking for more depth and understanding of how
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we can unlock our potential. There's so much in your book
that I was like, Oh my gosh, I've really got to like narrow
it down to focus on, on very specific aspects.
Let's let's stick to the DNA first because that's obviously
the title of your book, Activating It.
Why would somebody want to activate their DNA?
What is the benefit in this? So from a more high level
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overview of humanity, we are sort of in this birthing era, we
are contracting, we something isaspiring, something is wanting
to emerge and we see it through different aspects of technology.
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We see it in kind of self identity theologies.
We see it through how we are sort of shifting in our
perspective about Earth overall and the way that we constellate
with life in general. And so I believe that we are in
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this divine timeline where the frequency of the planet is is
rising. There's a lot of effort into
self development in the last 30 to 40 years.
There's a lot of effort into more intentional practices of
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sustainability with with how we're taking being good stewards
of the planet. We are in this timeline where we
are starting to realize that there is actually more to being
human. We are constantly sort of
chasing after this rabbit of what is the next way of being
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human, what's the next level of being human?
And so I believe simply, it's sort of just a simple answer
that everything is happening by divine timing.
We are all rebirthing, redefining what life is.
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And so the hallmark of life hereon this planet is within us
with, with, with and how we feelcreation and, and how we've sort
of interface with it. It's all in our what we call
DNA. So then.
Just explain the difference thenwith I'm sure a lot of people
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are familiar with what the double Helix image of DNA, the
strands of DNA looks like. So what?
What then? And and if they're not, if you
wouldn't mind, just please explaining that and then compare
it to the 12 strands. Yeah.
So with the the double Helix, the typical archetype is there
is 2 twin helices that are spiraling around each other,
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one's A5 prime and one's a threeprime and they go into anti
parallel directions. DNA is also capable of having a
palindromic resonance, meaning that it's capable of sort of
having capabilities of being read forwards and backwards
there. There's actually a really
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significant opportunity in how we can sort of extrapolate
patterns in DNA as we extrapolate patterns in our life
as well. That's what I mean by more of a
palindromic resonance structure.I'm not saying DNA is
palindromic. I believe that it's more of a
structure. I just wanted it to make to
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clarify that. So that's sort of the overall
kind of scope of, of the twin helices DNA.
The, the, the, the DNA molecule is also shelled by water as
well. That's significant in how the
DNA double Helix was discovered in the 50s.
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Rosalind Franklin was studying in the in King's College with
Maurice Wilkins When she came into the lab, he was already
sort of creating this pioneeringwork with the DNA molecule.
She was very bright, very sharp.One of her strengths was her
ability to capture the best crystallography diffraction
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photos in the world. Photograph 51 is is what made
her, you know, the, the queen, the the diva in her ability and
how she was able to show the structure of DNA from an aerial
cross section point of view. Rosalind Franklin actually in
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her in her crystallographic calculations was able to show
that water surrounds DNA becauseit is able to be titrated.
Titration is a chemistry term which means that the ability of
of determining A concentration and and also how that
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concentration of a known analyteor substance, whatever you want
to call it, it can be dye, it can be oil, it could be
anything. How that concentration of that
substance changes as you reduce the solvents concentration
around it. So that's what titration means.
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Thank you. Of course, And so one would.
So in order to understand that the water molecule is what
surrounds the DNA molecule, but with the water, water surrounds
the DNA molecule. Water has to be the element
that's being titrated. So that's how she was able to
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give that legacy to the world. And, you know, there's more to
the story. You know, James Watson, Francis
Crick. And you share that in your book,
you, you do, you don't talk go into the water aspect.
But you you share that there's other people that were involved
in the discovery of DNA. Absolutely.
So segwaying into the dodecahedral model, which is the
12 stranded concept is I knew that the DNA molecule isn't
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static. It isn't a fixed molecule as the
double Helix kind of inherently presents itself.
And more and more studies recently, recently have been
showing this, that the DNA molecule is actually malleable.
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It's, it's, it's, it's flexible,it's able to change shapes.
It's a shapeshifter, one-on-one with water, right?
Because it's, it's a one-on-one,one to one relationship.
So as I'm researching, I'm getting more and more excited
about learning how DNA, you know, the DNA molecule.
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There's been a number of studiesthat have showed that the DNA
molecule actually exists in morestrands there.
There's it's been found to have three and four strands in a
healthy normal human cell. What are the findings around
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that? Like are these scientists who
are discovering this 4 strands? Are they saying, wow, this
individual has these different capabilities or or abilities or
are they just keeping it to themselves?
Yeah, that's a great question. As far as the functionality
behind the phenotype of the genotype, that hasn't been fully
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elaborated on, but what scientists are really thriving
from is the fact that they are learning that DNA exists as a
multi stranded molecule and theyare ready to further investigate
beyond that. So with the dodecahedral model,
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it has pentagons. It's a pentagonal shape.
I actually have my box of shapesof platonic solids.
Yes. Oh, you're an Angel.
Literally. I don't even have those.
Thank you. I can hold them up and we can
have a look and then I'll take it out.
I'll take it out-of-the-box so we can hold it up and you can
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talk about it. Let's talk about in this set.
They relate to the five elements.
Yes, yes, I that's what I wantedto go over it together.
Yes, that's there. It is.
The dodecahedron. Yeah.
OK, this dodecahedron, like why is it?
Why is it such a powerful shape?And how then do we get 12
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strands of DNA from this multi shape?
OK. So let's talk a little bit now
about segwaying from the double Helix, which is a very
significant beginning of what weunderstand as DNA molecule and
it still is. But let's kind of expand our
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horizons. Let's let's sort of imagine the
DNA molecule as something that'smuch more elaborate.
OK, So thousands of years ago a young man named Plato gave us so
many legacies, but one that is really significant for me in
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this book are the five Platonic solids.
OK, so he gave the tetrahedron, the cube, the octahedron, the
dodecahedron, and the ecosahedron.
Those are the five those. So that's the tetrahedron.
OK, I'm going to hold them up, so here we go. 6 edges, four
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faces and four vertices looks. Like a pyramid.
Looks like a pyramid, and it's supposed to symbolize fire.
Yes. OK, Now one thing I want to say
is that modern science now is acknowledging that the structure
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of blood plasma has a tetrahedral geometry.
Wow. Yes, it's so exciting.
Isn't it? So I guess you know, that's the
phrase. My blood is boiling.
Feel the heat in your blood. There's truth to that.
Yeah. They're literally feeling that.
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That fire in their body. It's happening.
We're starting to align with thelanguage that is somewhat
comical, but actually quite wiseto the inherent wisdom that
already comes with us. OK, so the next one is the cube,
which has symbolizes Earth, 12 edges, six faces and eight
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vertices. The cube, and there is a golden
ratio, which I discuss further in my book that I don't want to
deviate from that also exists ina cube.
I know that some mathematicians might have some controversy with
this, but I explain exactly whatI mean in the book.
I want to mention something really exciting about the
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octahedron, which is the elementof air. 12 edges, eight faces,
six vertices. OK.
It's a difficult shape to describe.
It's almost like 2 pyramids touching each other.
Yes, OK. For all of you listeners, I'm
going to throw a golden nugget, OK?
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Each Platonic solid and it and and and in general the geometric
patterns or or solids that we are aware of, OK.
They each have a symmetry group.Coincidentally, the number for
the octahedron symmetry group is, which symbolizes air on this
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planet is 432. 432 is a harmonious frequency that we as
humans associate to. I'd like to kind of talk a
little bit about that later if it, if you happen to talk about
it, let's. Come back to that because
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obviously frequency and sound isa critical aspect of your book.
So, and that that frequency thathurts when it's listened to is
has, you know, amazing effects on the human body.
Yes. So again, this is wisdom that
Plato was inspired by 2000 yearsago.
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OK, let's just remember that there, there is wisdom in each
of these solids that give a story of of creation, because
that's what geometry is. It helps us understand divine
creation. Then there's the dodecahedron.
OK, yes, there we go. The dodecahedron symbolizes
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ether. Plato said that it symbolized
the universe. The universe.
Can we just take a second here? Whoa.
OK, so 30 edges, 12 faces, 20 vertices.
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I'm sharing these numbers because it will make sense when
we talk about the ecosahedron. Tatiana is holding the
ecosahedron on the left side. The ecosahedron symbolizes
water. Now remember, OK, I'm going to
hold them up while you're holding them.
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I'm going to repeat this again. The dodecahedron contains 30
edges. The ecosahedron contains 30
edges. The dodecahedron contains 12
faces. The ecosahedron contains 20
faces. Right?
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For the vertices, you flip them.So the dodecahedron contains 20
vertices, the ecosahedron contains 12.
OK, there are, there's a lot of symmetry in these two shapes.
We also know, thanks to more emerging research, that the
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dodak ahedron and the ecosahedron are actually what
what is called a dual coupling. And what that means is that they
can interchangeably shift withinone another.
They can become one and separateof the other instantaneously.
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So let's remember the relationship now between DNA,
the DNA molecule, and the water molecule.
They are one to one. The water walk molecule shells
the DNA molecule. There's so much science there
that we're still unaware of, andhow the properties of water are
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enriching DNA and vice versa. But there is such a synchronous
alignment there between what Plato has showed us and the
reality of how the DNA molecule and the water molecule dance
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with each other. So I just thank you for showing
those models because I think it really helps people see how they
can mirror each other and how they support each other as well.
I think it's really fascinating because sacred geometry is the
basis of all life. You know, we have the flower of
life. And as you even you do
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demonstrate in a book. And so let's just talk about
water then, because I'm I'm not the expert here.
Share with your findings with sound.
You play the harp and and the the photography and there's
there's already been a lot of studies on on water and how how
beautiful the shifts and positive and negative effects on
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water. There was a moment in my life
when I was writing this book when I realized that I have to
deconstruct everything that I understand about water.
I have to remove any, any stories that tell me what water
is from, from my academic side. And I wanted to spiritually open
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up to water. And, and the person that
inspired me, the first person that inspired me was Veda
Austin. Veda Austin is now, you know, an
emerging water scientist. She's been in this field for I
think 8-9 years now from New Zealand, Australia.
And I heard her on a on a podcast and at the time, I
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didn't realize how my path wouldstart aligning with water
research and my interactions with water using sound.
But when I started writing this book, I realized that it's
happening now that my relationship with water is
actually changing because I'm changing, you know, and, and,
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and every person who experiencesany kind of change in
perspective or, you know, some kind of advancement, actually,
water has a lot to do with it. Water is that mysterious life
force that lives in every singleone of us.
And we're starting to understandmore about what that mystery is,
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but there's still a lot of life and mystery.
So listening to Beta Austin, I started to also become very
interested in Doctor Masaru, theJapanese water scientist, with
his studies showing how sound can can influence the shapes of
water. Of course he had a microscope
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and I have an iPhone. So with with water you don't.
You can use either. Quickly, just talk about the
example you use in your book, because that was really awesome.
It's like anyone, anybody with adigital phone can just do that
at home just to prove to themselves or to do the
experiment. You know, like you said, you
don't need a microscope. What opened my eyes to this is I
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did a one-on-one with a beta Austin when I started my
journey. I wanted to see how does this
work? And so I'm, I'm, I'm referencing
her because she's the one that introduced me to this.
And as soon as we started our session together, she said, let
me do a reading. What does water want to say?
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Not about you. What does water want to say?
So then off the bat, she's acknowledging water as its own
being, as its own intelligence. So I thought, OK, what a way to
start a workshop together. So she puts water into a little
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Petri glass, glass Petri dish. You can get it off Amazon, you
know, 10-12 dollars, whatever. And she freezes it.
She says my time is 555 or aboutthat time, meaning that she puts
it in her freezer and then she takes it out at that time.
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And then when she did, she says you always take a towel for the
condensation. And then she she shows it to us
and it's this very coherent image of a flower.
It was a Lotus flower opening up.
I got. Photos in your book and you
totally can tell that it's a Lotus flower.
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Right, right. So water, she just did a
reading. She didn't ask water anything.
She said just show us what you want.
So right off the bat, I thought,OK, she had me, right?
She's still does. And after one session, I
thought, OK, now it's my time. I want to change my conscious
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relationship with water. I want to acknowledge that water
is its own being. And so that's what I did in my
own space. I felt so silly, but I didn't
care anymore. I had a little Petri dish of
water. I started a conversation with it
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and I introduced myself to it. My name is Ruslana.
I've got my cat back here. Her name is Biju.
She's white, she's poofy. She's really sweet.
This is what I did today. I would love if we can become
friends. You know, I just really pushed
those boundaries of my own discomfort, of my own skepticism
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because I come, again from a scientific background.
And here I am, a woman talking to water.
I love it. Yeah.
So I realized in that session with water that I'm not, you
know, I, my times will be different from Vedas or anyone
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else. And I encourage everyone in the
audience to recognize that too. And I just found that perfect
medium. I think it was like 6 close to 6
minutes for me. And in the very beginning it's,
you know, you, you warm up to a person, you warm up to
something. You, you start to learn its
patterns, its shapes. It's there.
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There's got to, there has to be a recognition medium between two
people where you start to feel the field right.
So in that first session, I thought, OK, you know, I was so
confident. Yes, this is it.
I, I believe. I believe that we have something
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and we did. Even though it wasn't
understandable to me at the at that time, I still felt that
water is opening up to me because I've opened up to it.
So moving forward, I started to everyday talk with water.
I started to experiment using different techniques.
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For instance, I would put water on top of an image and see how
it would memorize the structure of that image because water has
shown memory in in experiments. The perfect example is Jean
Bonaviste, who is one of the founders of homeopathy, where he
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studied how when you add a any sort of biological substance and
you titrate it, right, you you reduce that concentration all
the way down to the last spinning molecule, right?
Water remembers how that movement is in the water.
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It will still operate in the waythat it remembers and recognizes
that molecule to the last molecule.
So I would do just do intelligence questions where
there was no visual prop to testits memory.
I would just simply ask it questions.
I would ask what you know what what lives underwater.
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And at the time I had a mermaid pendant necklace.
And in the book I have an image of what seems to be an image of
a, a, a, a person that looks like a mermaid.
It has a, a fin attached to it. And that was one way I talked
with water. Another way is I would, I would
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sleep with water. So I when I used to, I had like,
I would have a nightmare. I would see if water would
detect it and how it would show that.
So what I show, what I realized in my interfacing with it is
that water appeared very stressed.
It had a lot of jagged lines versus having more like star
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shapes or geometric patterns that actually are that look like
the Platonic solids, interestingly.
So there was just a different range of different approaches I
would take to start facilitatingan open relationship with water.
The more open that I became withwater, the more clear the
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patterns are. There's no background noise,
there's no kind of random shapesanymore.
It just becomes a clear image. It almost becomes a form of
divination in a sense, doesn't it?
Yeah. So I decided, OK, I wanted to
somehow apply my idea about the dodecahedron just universally
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connected to the DNA concept, right?
So I thought why don't I sonify the dodecahedron on a 36 string
harp and it was sonified using 7frequencies of the dodecahedron.
What I mean by that is in the book I elaborate on the specific
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structure of the dodecahedron and I deconstructed what those
angles are and converted them into frequency.
So I used seven of those angles,right, the geometric angles, and
just plotted them on the harp and.
That's the section where I was like, I can't be reading this in
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bed. I need a fresh brain to track to
track what what she's talking about here.
Yeah, yeah. It, it, it was so mind blowing
because when I started to play, I was so excited.
I felt that water would possibly, I, I felt that water
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would present what is what is water's interpretation of the
sound. I'm more interested in that.
I'm more interested of what the wisdom that water wants to
present. What?
Is so deeply healing. Like I, I actually have a copper
bathtub and copper, as you know,is, is supremely conductive,
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right? And so you can imagine when it's
filled with water and you set anintention for like getting in,
like often I'll stand, I'll run a little bit and I'll stand in
it. And I will literally set an
intention and thank the water, thank it for, and the healing
properties And literally look atthe look at it coming out of the
tap, but also look at the bottomof the top as it's filling up
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with water. And then I'm laying in in the
bath. It's like this supremely healing
experience. I've always loved bathing anyway
taking a bath but but in a copper bathtub it's like
amplified to like another level.There was a fascinating study
done in I think India where water was infused by mantra
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certain period of time and they wanted to see how this infused
water with intention would respond in treating the waters
the the underground water that had a contamination.
We hope that this kind of water actually helps, you know,
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decontaminate, but actually it has so much energy in life that
it actually enlivens the bacteria.
It's so they saw an increase in the concentration of the
bacteria in the water is using the mantra and used water.
For me, it makes total sense because when I'm in the bath and
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I'm using chanting mantra, I'm really being very intense,
intentional with the kind of mantra that I'm using.
I'm making sure it's not to a, adeity that might be more active
because that's not, that's not the moment that I want, I want
to be in an environment that's more soothing.
And so I do also know the mantrafor the for water.
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And so I will, I'll chant for the Devi of water, Jala Devi.
And so it's actually quite a soothing, beautiful up levelling
experience of gratitude because it's like I'm acknowledging the
presence of the of the deity within the water.
There's so much excitement, I think where scientists are
finally wanting to go into the rogue areas of understanding
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what life is about. And water is, is one of those
fields. I mean, we know, thanks to
Doctor Gerald Pollack and other supporting scientists and
contributors, that water exists beyond three phases.
Water actually has four phases. So it's now accepted that water
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has four phases. You know, we're slowly building
our momentum into deliberately living a more expansive light.
It's, it's, it's part of the birthing cycle that we're in.
It's, it's truly exciting. What a what a time to live.
I think so. It is, it is amazing and that
things are being acknowledged ina way that they're being
normalized. You know, we can have these
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conversations and we're not, we're not thought of as crazy
people. Yeah.
Like, yeah, water. I actually blessed my water
every morning and with my hands over my glass and before I
consume it for the last 20 years, I actually stopped having
water that was cold with ice in it, understanding that it it
alters the form and it's not good internally for my body.
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And this is such a myth in the West, particularly in the United
States, where everybody, especially in the summertime,
really needs to have water with ice in it and iced everything,
iced coffee, iced teas, like allthese ice beverages.
And it's like, Oh my gosh, like.Yes, yes.
It's not actually good in that in that form for the internal
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organs. But and when I read that section
of your book, we were talking tothe water and I messaged you
this and told you I said hi, hi,good morning.
I said, I introduce myself. I'm like, my name is Tatiana.
Thank you so much for like holding my body and expanding my
DNA and really up leveling everyorgan, every cell or the
arteries, my blood, everything in my body.
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And then I said, I'm so grateful.
And then I always as a part of my my blessing, my water.
Thank in the tradition that thatI practice in the Nuggets who
are The Who are the wisdom keepers of of the waterways.
So I I said that aloud. I did feel really silly too, but
then I was like, do you know what, it's amazing.
This is always wonderful benefits and like, why not say
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thanks? You know, why not acknowledge
what it does for us? There are some really
fascinating and and intricate images of water.
I think it's probably close to like on the other side of the
world. I forgot which continent or body
of water exactly, but easily searchable online.
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The bodies of water that have snow around they, they are
creating patterns, frozen patterns in the water that
there's it's not a a a blank sheet of ice.
It's actually very beautiful power of life looking patterns.
There's no way that a human being went out there and carved
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this into the water. No, it's actually communication
of the water. It's it's life that's budding
from the water. And it's exciting that humans
are starting to capture those moments where they become
evidence now. And you can even buy, you know,
glass water bottles with the flower of life image on it and
it amplifies and, and changes the, the structure of the water
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so that it's cleaner and, and more whole for, for the drinker
of the water. And you mentioned your book
Doctor Emoto, who really was a pioneer in the studies of water
with the photography of how whenyou're putting positive energy
into the water, speaking just kind, kind words and then
photographing it, how that shifted and did create this
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flower of life like pattern. Yeah, Doctor Emoto, I I think
that he, he's one of the scientists that thankfully
showed us this, this hidden quality about water.
I mean, when you look at his images, there's, there's so many
stories that you can tell. No one needs to even tell you
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narrate it. The water is narrating it for
you in response. To the vibration that it's
receiving, and it's not just sound, I believe it's also in
tension. When the water was stimulated by
Mozart, it was creating these beautiful snowflake imagery
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with, you know, hard metal, rock'n'roll, disorganization,
chaos, right? He had hundreds of these
visuals. There's so much there.
Water is becoming the emphasis. And just the other day I
realized that thanks to water, there's more.
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There's more emphasis on form, form and DNA because of water.
Water is the shapeshifter, wateris the diva.
I think that in the future, as science progresses, we are going
to become more interested not only in the shape of DNA, but
actually the emphasis will be more on water.
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That's more forward thinking. How then can you relate that
again to the 12 stranded DNA that resides within us?
If we're consuming water and blessing it and setting an
intention, what then is that doing for our DNA?
Or this is that a is that a method that we can apply to
awaken the 12 stranded DNA within?
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Us so everything that we have within us it's it's there it's
it's we are born in in this divine capability, right.
I also think that we are just not in a technology age where
we're able to fully understand and unravel 12 strands of DNA
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just yet. But again, everything begins on
a spiritual level. Spiritual spirituality
concretizes into the 3D World. So it's really important that if
we do decide we want to activateour 12 stranded DNA, right?
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It's it's first of all, it's a matter of choice and free will.
Second of all is we are so much more vast and talented and there
are so many levels of being human that we are unraveling
about ourselves, whether that means communicating with angels
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or frequency beyond our scientific understanding, right?
More, more sort of parapsychology, anomalous
experiences, that's still beyondus.
But what's more important is howwe are feeling about ourselves,
the love that we are advancing on how how can we how can we
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expand our understanding about human love?
That to me in my if I die tomorrow, right?
That is my overall overarching goal is to further my own
understanding of what love is because love is the
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consciousness that is bridging everything that we are capable
of experiencing in this life. And you know, love is the least
technical term on this planet, but it is the gateway into
evolution and one that is becoming a scary forgotten
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memory, which is why I'm urgently and also with so much
care, sharing that love really is the answer here.
We can do all of these practices, which are great ways
to attune the body right, to kind of create a physiological
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shift, because that's some a lotof the times, I mean, everyday
we have blockages. We have to overcome something,
right? And, and, and we have a lot of
ways in doing that. At the end of the day, I want to
share one last thing with you because I'm just so excited
about this in my book. You probably have noticed that I
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go into Gematria a lot, yes? Well, I, I did want to ask you
about gematria. So yeah, if you could definitely
explain firstly what is gematria, what is this practice
and how we how was it related tonumbers?
Yes, OK, so gematria is the ancient study of the
alphanumeric system behind a letter which creates a word,
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which creates ideas, right. And part of the scientist, the
spiritual scientist in me is when you start to see the
patterns that or the shared values, numbers that the words
have. So this was something that was
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given to us. Again, it goes back to
Pythagorean days. I studied Pythagorean gematria
with a very capable mentor, Pythagorean mentor who has
proven Pythagorean theorem in 520 ways.
He's now the current world record, a world Guinness record
holder and his name is Elithirios Argopoulos and he is
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in Greece. He lives in Greece and he is a
diamond, sort of a hidden diamond.
And he, he has really opened my eyes to how we can start sort of
bringing in concepts together mathematically just by decoding
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these, these constructions of, of language, because language is
a vibration, words are vibration, words are numbers.
This is different from numerology, just to explain.
How it's different to numerology?
So I'm going to stick specifically with the fact that
it's a more of a Pythagorean approach to studying numbers,
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right? So we take the symmetry behind,
we actually take data, for example, your name Tatiana,
right? And we convert it.
I use the Greek language becausethat's what I, that's what I
learned. And I extrapolate a number from
it. You have your own number.
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You also have your own number when you're activated.
You have your own number when you are aligned with living your
mission. So it's the Pythagorean
approach. It's wisdom that was passed
down, but very carefully. And a lot of people, I think one
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day we'll learn more about it. But a lot of people it's, it's
unknown. It's it's like a diamond in the
rough, you know, and. It's different numerology how
because that also you can a namecan be a breakdown to a number.
I've kind of just personally notreally associated or resonated
with it because there's a lot ofambiguity.
There's a lot of kind of subjective experiences with a
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person's own relationship with numerology.
And I think that's also part of the sacred part of living with
numbers is a number that associates with you, is
affirming when you see it and itand it can also transmit
differently in the energetic configuration that it's in, in
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the moment because moment in time exists, but they also
don't. So with numerology, I just
haven't really spent a lot of time in understanding what
numerology is because I've been more magnetized towards the
Pythagorean approach because it there's sort of a congruency
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with how I'm interfacing with the solids as well the geometric
solids. So it all kind of funneled and
streamlined with the dodecahedron approach as well.
But I'm not against numerology. I just simply don't have much
experience in this kind of multifaceted tradition I've sort
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of kept under the umbrella of something that's a lot more
mathematically proven and verified.
There's definitely a frequency and a vibration that is emitted
from the. They're like codes in a sense.
Yeah, they're like mathematical codes and different to like
light codes. But there's, there's some kind
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of a transmission that takes place when you're breaking down
these various words and then giving and, and then revealing
the number right within that because that that feels, as you
said, it feels very sacred. And so when you're doing, when
you started working with, did you start to see more Angel
numbers as a result? I'm just curious.
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Yeah, I, I'm so excited about this because when I started to
work with Eleftherios, there wassort of kind of a natural
unlocking that happened with me where it's the same thing with
water. When you become more open to its
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life, to what it wants to revealto you, it happens.
It it can happen. So when I started working with a
Leftherios, I started seeing more relevance and information
that was being transmitted through numbers.
Like, for example, I really wanted to share with you, when
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you take the word consciousness Sindhisi in Greek, it's eight,
85885. Well, coincidentally A
meaningful coincidence when you take the word love agape, right?
It's also the number 885. I think that's kind of cool.
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That's actually really amazing because like so when I work with
my clients, I always say we're working from the highest place.
The messaging that comes throughfor you is from literally
consciousness. It's come, it's coming from the
highest source and it's coming through to expand us to expand
the it's coming so that we can shift, have an awareness or
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become aware of something that then needs to be moved through
the body in order to invite in that loving awareness, that
expanded loving consciousness. And I see it.
I see the way it comes through. Like I literally see it as like
this amazing light and how it's connected to the entire
universe. It's, it's amazing.
So now I was just curious if if you started seeing more or Angel
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numbers in general and were theykind of just coming in like
patterns or like how was that appearing to you?
And, and even the orbs that we've been sharing exchanging
with each other recently. I mean, my like last week, some
of those orbs were just really so incredible, like so expansive
and just for every day or every other day, they were coming to
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me. And sometimes I can actually see
them with the naked eye and not in quite as fine detail, but I
know that that that presence is there and it's so magical and so
filled with love. It can feel the shift, the
energy change in the room and the light quality changes as
well. It's not like, oh, the sun is
rising or setting and it's super.
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There's like a distinct shift inthe in the energy and the and
the light quality. Absolutely.
I want to say that I felt more depth when I started
experiencing numbers. I mean, it's one thing when
we're in school and we have an arithmetic problem, but then we
see it in life and there is a transmission from it.
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One analogous example I can giveis, you know, when people do
breath work, for instance, I think that, you know, it's
common for people to kind of tryto achieve a light headed state,
right? Well, in this experience, it's
less light headed, it's more deep headed.
So you start to feel more connected.
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You start to feel more at one with the universal and also the
elements that make it so diverse.
It's cosmic. It's cosmic, Yes, exactly.
Yes. So.
And that's what's the prana like, the life force.
Exactly. Yes, there, there was a
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significant alignment. When I realized, I brought it to
his attention that if you Add all of the letters in the
Hellenic or the Greek alphanumeric system, you get
4990, five, 4995, right. Well, I was kind of inspired to
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Add all of the Sulphagio frequencies together.
Guess what? The value is 4995.
Just quickly explain what that what the sulphagio frequencies
are. Yeah.
So the Sulphagio frequencies, the history goes back to the
11th century when the Benedictine monk presented music
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that was sacred, it was dimensional, It was sort of
enlightening at the time. There was actually six of them.
There wasn't the modernized or the added three that we have
now, Yes. The 9 octave on the piano I'm
sure thinking of a piano key like pianos, right?
Right. Right through the there's a.
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Story behind that? I don't know if you know this
story. I think I have an idea of how.
It was deliberately They were deliberately added.
One of the original 6 was removed and these other three
were added with another one so that the healing properties were
completely taken, taken out, edited.
It doesn't mean that you one can't listen to music today,
classically played on the piano or whatever and hear and receive
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something from it. But the original sufficient
code, which was incredibly healing and uplifting and
designed to affect us and alter our DNA in a really positive way
and expand consciousness and awareness.
And that that was deliberately altered as a, a whole theory
around that, that that was shared with me when when I used
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to work at, I was a producer at Gaia for several years, Gaia TV.
And so there was someone had haswritten a lot, a lot about it
and a book about it. And you know, that said a lot of
stuff to me about it. It's like, OK, I believe you.
It's just so interesting to me how there's so much history.
Insult Fazio, right? Then there's also science that
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is accepting that, you know, several frequencies actually do
show physiological changes in the body, such as 528 DNA
healing. That's becoming more widespread,
right? What's interesting to me is that
I think that the Sulfagio frequencies will go down in
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history. I, I do think that they're a
significant stepping stone. I, I think that they were the
base, the foundation of how we want to understand sound as a
healing modality, as a way that can significantly alter our
awareness, our consciousness, and also how we feel and our and
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our and our body. I think moving forward there's
more coming in how we can extrapolate frequencies, sound
frequencies actually, that are more cosmic connecting them to
to Earth. Well, that's the music of the
spheres, right? I mean, we have this concept of
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the music of the spheres, which also comes from ancient, the
ancient Greeks, and this understanding that every planet
vibrates at its own frequency. Absolutely.
And I was really inspired by this.
These two concepts, language vibration and language from
gematria, which you can take anyalphabet and and create a
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gematria system. By the way, it's not just Greek
or Hebrew or for the Phoenician language and also the frequency
of sound, there is a correlation.
I wanted to explore this, the concept of cosmic music because
the dodecahedron is universal and the symbol of ether.
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So you know, I created a separate frequency set of 10
frequencies that are inspired. It's a dodecahedral set of a
frequencies that are cosmic. They they sound literally
galactic. You've released that now, right?
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What is the instrument that makes it your harp?
Or are you also including other instruments?
So right now they're digital. I'm using just a digital
modality to kind of construct because it's, it's, it's very
new. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's
kind of in its emergence stage. But moving forward, I would like
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to incorporate the harp as I have done with other music.
Now, we've talked a lot about different concepts here some
people may know about. Some people may be like, what
the heck? So how can we bring it all back
down to expanding and activatingour DNA?
First of all, it's really important that we not so much
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focus as DNA as the final outcome, as the destination, but
more of our experiential momentswhere we start to feel shifts in
our relationship with our surroundings and with ourselves.
You know, those shifts don't have to be limit kind of limited
to what, you know, psychology orparapsychology shares about, you
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know, PK or telepathy or precognition, clairvoyancy.
Those are all really exciting new dimensions and new
frontiers. But I, I really believe that the
shifts that we're going to feel are, are going to be more
electromagnetic shifts. They're going to be more vibrant
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from within. That technology right now
probably doesn't have the means to fully understand because 12
strand construct is too sophisticated at this point.
But we can start to see differences in our
electromagnetic field that can be measured.
I just met a wonderful scientistsetting at the Ryan Research
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Center where he's studying bio energy healing and he is
studying the healing emissions that people have using a photo
multiplier tube. He's actually measuring the
wavelength that people are emitting.
Not not the aura, that's something else, but the actual
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energy that is being. Person of the healer or the
individual that they're working on?
Of the actual healer Wow, because energy he actually,
there are people that can literally heal with their
electromagnetic field. That's that's real.
And for a while I was skeptical.Again, I'm being very open
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'cause I'm, I have a scientific background in this and I was
sort of even resistant in my ownbelief system, you know, But
it's very real. People are healers and we, we
all have that capability. The most important person that
we are helping as our, you know,ourselves is, is the way that we
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are showing up in the world. So to go back to your question,
the DNA activating is going to happen.
It's going to it's going to naturally take place when we
decide that we want to be more open with our relationship with
the with the life that already exists that are probably silly
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to us. Water for one right sound in
general. I I talk in my book, there's a
lot of different chapters on different concepts because you
can't limit DNA in into just onelinear field.
I wanted to talk about differentnotes because there's
opportunities that science is, is, is there's the gaps in, in
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in kind of our modern science ofhow we are relating to DNA and
also intimidated by it at the same time.
But actually we're an instrument.
Light and sound come in so many different forms.
And I think that the more we arewilling to gravitate to
experience the different forms of it, the more we are naturally
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activated and want to expand will naturally expand our
abilities. And this is something that I
believe is can happen naturally,right?
You've just given some examples of ways that we can attune
ourselves through sounds, frequencies and other practices
when we've gone through when we're experiencing this shift.
I think how you notice that is in how is in what you intake,
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what you then choose to view andlisten to and participate in.
There's a big shift there. So for example, if it's sound,
you are becoming more attuned towanting to hear sounds that are
of the healing vibration versus something being more hardcore
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that you might have liked 10 or 15 years ago.
But now you can't even listen tothat stuff anymore because it's
just too much for the nervous system.
It's like I can't take it right.So I think that's an example.
That's what's happened to me anyway.
I think that's an example of a way we can we can feel within
ourselves that we're expanding. Absolutely.
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Thank you for bringing that up. I, I wanted to share that this
is you're, you're right on point.
We will naturally shift, so willour living Organism with the
environment that we choose or desire to be in, meaning that we
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will regulate according to the atmosphere or the conditions
that we choose to surround ourselves in.
I met Ed Edwards over the last weekend.
I didn't know that I was meetingEd Edwards.
Ed Edwards is an He is a high performing energetic being and
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he has been, science has proven that his brain operates on a
very high frequency and they call him alien brain.
Well, I didn't know that I was sitting next to Ed Edwards at
this conference and I just turn around cuz we're doing
introductions, right? And I just turn around and he
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didn't even say anything, but myheartbeat just escalated up.
I'm not detached. I am part of the one field that
you're part of as well. We're all part of the same
field. But I what I'm trying to say is
I am not. I acknowledge that that's not
necessarily my own physiologicalresponse that I was feeling,
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even though that's what I was sort of manifesting.
So here he is saying I met Edwards.
My heart, my heart is just goingfast right?
And I years ago this I wouldn't have been so sensitive to other
people's surroundings. I'm just here.
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So he explains what's going on, who he is.
And then he he talks about his energy and sort of how he is
able to transmit electrical impulses.
He able to light up light bulbs with just by holding them.
So then it was my turn to speak and I said, skip over me,
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please. I need to ground find a way to
regulate. Now, funny enough, John Cruth
was behind me. He's the director at Rhine
Research Center. He heard me and he said, I'm
going to help you with that. So he so together we hope to get
to a more, you know, grounded breathing level.
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But just I wanted to share that because I want to say that we
all have, we all share a field and we all can emit energy to
each other and feel that energy,whether it's high, whether it's
low, whether you know someone's intentionally trying to heal
even remotely, it's, it's all possible.
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So there's so many faces, opportunities, gateways of how
to apply oneself into this kind of experiential form of life
where one can start to feel moreas an active participant, more
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as a vessel, an instrument, but also more of a conscious
participant of evolution. But great, great way to end.
Thank you, really really love that.
Thank you so much, Tatiana. It's so lovely to talk with you
and connect with you and I. I feel like we've already been
connected. Definitely.
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We could sure have.
Hello. And welcome to the Contestiba
podcast. I'm Tatiana.
In this episode, sound healer and former corporate scientist
Ruslana Romanikova joins me to discuss her incredible new book,
Activating Our 12 Stranded DNA. This is a lengthy episode loaded
with info about our 12 stranded DNA, the concept that suggests
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humans possess a potential for amuch more complex DNA structure
with 12 strands. I'm excited to delve into this
truly fascinating topic. Some of the concepts include how
to transform our DNA from the standard double Helix into its
12 stranded dodectahedral form and how this form encompasses
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I'm so honored to be here. Thank you for having me.
Yeah, you're. Welcome.
And it's really exciting. I'm just going to hold it up.
Activating our 12 stranded DNA secrets of Dodectohedral DNA for
completing our human evolution. Thank.
Isn't that a beautiful cover created by inner traditions?
It is. It's awesome.
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And so this this is not a light read.
This is not a you can't just sitback and read it when you're
half asleep. Maybe like going to go to bed
and kind of think you can read achapter or so, but there's no
way you need to be wide awake. So actually, I'm going to just
begin with explain what? What is this 12 stranded DNA?
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We're mostly familiar with the double Helix, right?
That's the most common theory. Thank you for asking.
Thanks for the opportunity to share about it.
So you're right, we are so conditioned to remember to kind
of understand what the double Helix is for almost, it's been
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72 years that this has been introduced to us.
Yet we live in such an exciting time where organically people
are starting to talk about a more complex DNA molecule.
And it's funny, when I wrote this book, I completely
surrendered to this idea of whatdoes 12 strands of DNA even
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mean? So I kind of threw myself out
there without any resources of, you know, without researching
what is 12 stranded DNA online, you know, but I wanted to kind
of investigate the tapestry of all of the information that we
have already available at our hands.
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But look at DNA, the DNA molecule that is, is so much
more elegant and sophisticated. I came in with an intuition that
the DNA molecule that we that makes us, you know, that that's
the month, the, the, the hallmark of life.
What could it be like beyond a double Helix?
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That was the first question thatI personally embodied in this
process of of writing this book.And I have a scientific
background. I graduated from Virginia
Commonwealth University, which is in Richmond, VA with two
bachelors, one in biology and one in chemistry.
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I was 3 credits away from triplemajoring in forensic science.
And then I landed a job at pharmaceutical product
development where I worked as a bench analyst in the
immunochemistry department. And then I was very curious.
I've always wanted to branch out, learn from different
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departments. So I worked in vaccine sciences
and then I also worked in cell based assays as well.
Cumulatively, I worked for this company, which is now Thermo
Fisher Scientific for nearly a decade, and I had the
opportunity to work in a vaccinelab at the time.
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So with the background in microbiology and with also
genetic substances, I felt that I was I could do so much more
with my curiosity and intuition.I had more drive to not only
just research with the clients requests and kind of what I was
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asked to do in a corporate setting.
I wanted to go further. And to be quite frank, I, I
would not want to be my own bossbecause I know how I, I just
generally like to push beyond the status quo of what we
already know. So when I was, and, and it came
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twice, actually, it came twice where I felt so suffocated by
the system because I wanted to continue looking more at the
spiritual and physical and energetic vortex of what DNA is.
And I couldn't do that in a, in a pharmaceutical lab.
So I made the leap I made, I made the leap to to write this
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book because through the writing, through the
researching, this seed that activated within me about how
complex our DNA is and how we are so much more, we've got so
much more potential than a double strand.
It came to me in my writing. It, it, it was just so
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phenomenal the process of writing and understanding and
seeing, yes, the affirmation andthe confirmation of, of what I
was originally being guided to, which is the 12th stranded DA,
but also be beyond that. It, it, it's, it's, it's sort of
the visionary blueprint of the future.
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And as I was segueing into this originally, it's really exciting
to see how, you know, there's a collective sort of inherent
understanding that our DNA is somuch more than what was
presented to us in textbooks decades ago.
And a lot, you know, a lot of people now are coming together
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and saying how can we activate our toll stranded DNA?
And that's exciting. All of that's exciting.
It also sort of speaks to the time that we're in and the fact
that as a collective, we are hungry, we are seeking, we're
thirsty, we're seeking for more depth and understanding of how
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we can unlock our potential. There's so much in your book
that I was like, Oh my gosh, I've really got to like narrow
it down to focus on, on very specific aspects.
Let's let's stick to the DNA first because that's obviously
the title of your book, Activating It.
Why would somebody want to activate their DNA?
What is the benefit in this? So from a more high level
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overview of humanity, we are sort of in this birthing era, we
are contracting, we something isaspiring, something is wanting
to emerge and we see it through different aspects of technology.
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We see it in kind of self identity theologies.
We see it through how we are sort of shifting in our
perspective about Earth overall and the way that we constellate
with life in general. And so I believe that we are in
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this divine timeline where the frequency of the planet is is
rising. There's a lot of effort into
self development in the last 30 to 40 years.
There's a lot of effort into more intentional practices of
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sustainability with with how we're taking being good stewards
of the planet. We are in this timeline where we
are starting to realize that there is actually more to being
human. We are constantly sort of
chasing after this rabbit of what is the next way of being
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human, what's the next level of being human?
And so I believe simply, it's sort of just a simple answer
that everything is happening by divine timing.
We are all rebirthing, redefining what life is.
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And so the hallmark of life hereon this planet is within us
with, with, with and how we feelcreation and, and how we've sort
of interface with it. It's all in our what we call
DNA. So then.
Just explain the difference thenwith I'm sure a lot of people
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are familiar with what the double Helix image of DNA, the
strands of DNA looks like. So what?
What then? And and if they're not, if you
wouldn't mind, just please explaining that and then compare
it to the 12 strands. Yeah.
So with the the double Helix, the typical archetype is there
is 2 twin helices that are spiraling around each other,
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one's A5 prime and one's a threeprime and they go into anti
parallel directions. DNA is also capable of having a
palindromic resonance, meaning that it's capable of sort of
having capabilities of being read forwards and backwards
there. There's actually a really
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significant opportunity in how we can sort of extrapolate
patterns in DNA as we extrapolate patterns in our life
as well. That's what I mean by more of a
palindromic resonance structure.I'm not saying DNA is
palindromic. I believe that it's more of a
structure. I just wanted it to make to
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clarify that. So that's sort of the overall
kind of scope of, of the twin helices DNA.
The, the, the, the DNA molecule is also shelled by water as
well. That's significant in how the
DNA double Helix was discovered in the 50s.
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Rosalind Franklin was studying in the in King's College with
Maurice Wilkins When she came into the lab, he was already
sort of creating this pioneeringwork with the DNA molecule.
She was very bright, very sharp.One of her strengths was her
ability to capture the best crystallography diffraction
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photos in the world. Photograph 51 is is what made
her, you know, the, the queen, the the diva in her ability and
how she was able to show the structure of DNA from an aerial
cross section point of view. Rosalind Franklin actually in
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her in her crystallographic calculations was able to show
that water surrounds DNA becauseit is able to be titrated.
Titration is a chemistry term which means that the ability of
of determining A concentration and and also how that
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concentration of a known analyteor substance, whatever you want
to call it, it can be dye, it can be oil, it could be
anything. How that concentration of that
substance changes as you reduce the solvents concentration
around it. So that's what titration means.
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Thank you. Of course, And so one would.
So in order to understand that the water molecule is what
surrounds the DNA molecule, but with the water, water surrounds
the DNA molecule. Water has to be the element
that's being titrated. So that's how she was able to
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give that legacy to the world. And, you know, there's more to
the story. You know, James Watson, Francis
Crick. And you share that in your book,
you, you do, you don't talk go into the water aspect.
But you you share that there's other people that were involved
in the discovery of DNA. Absolutely.
So segwaying into the dodecahedral model, which is the
12 stranded concept is I knew that the DNA molecule isn't
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static. It isn't a fixed molecule as the
double Helix kind of inherently presents itself.
And more and more studies recently, recently have been
showing this, that the DNA molecule is actually malleable.
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It's, it's, it's, it's flexible,it's able to change shapes.
It's a shapeshifter, one-on-one with water, right?
Because it's, it's a one-on-one,one to one relationship.
So as I'm researching, I'm getting more and more excited
about learning how DNA, you know, the DNA molecule.
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There's been a number of studiesthat have showed that the DNA
molecule actually exists in morestrands there.
There's it's been found to have three and four strands in a
healthy normal human cell. What are the findings around
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that? Like are these scientists who
are discovering this 4 strands? Are they saying, wow, this
individual has these different capabilities or or abilities or
are they just keeping it to themselves?
Yeah, that's a great question. As far as the functionality
behind the phenotype of the genotype, that hasn't been fully
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elaborated on, but what scientists are really thriving
from is the fact that they are learning that DNA exists as a
multi stranded molecule and theyare ready to further investigate
beyond that. So with the dodecahedral model,
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it has pentagons. It's a pentagonal shape.
I actually have my box of shapesof platonic solids.
Yes. Oh, you're an Angel.
Literally. I don't even have those.
Thank you. I can hold them up and we can
have a look and then I'll take it out.
I'll take it out-of-the-box so we can hold it up and you can
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talk about it. Let's talk about in this set.
They relate to the five elements.
Yes, yes, I that's what I wantedto go over it together.
Yes, that's there. It is.
The dodecahedron. Yeah.
OK, this dodecahedron, like why is it?
Why is it such a powerful shape?And how then do we get 12
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strands of DNA from this multi shape?
OK. So let's talk a little bit now
about segwaying from the double Helix, which is a very
significant beginning of what weunderstand as DNA molecule and
it still is. But let's kind of expand our
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horizons. Let's let's sort of imagine the
DNA molecule as something that'smuch more elaborate.
OK, So thousands of years ago a young man named Plato gave us so
many legacies, but one that is really significant for me in
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this book are the five Platonic solids.
OK, so he gave the tetrahedron, the cube, the octahedron, the
dodecahedron, and the ecosahedron.
Those are the five those. So that's the tetrahedron.
OK, I'm going to hold them up, so here we go. 6 edges, four
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faces and four vertices looks. Like a pyramid.
Looks like a pyramid, and it's supposed to symbolize fire.
Yes. OK, Now one thing I want to say
is that modern science now is acknowledging that the structure
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of blood plasma has a tetrahedral geometry.
Wow. Yes, it's so exciting.
Isn't it? So I guess you know, that's the
phrase. My blood is boiling.
Feel the heat in your blood. There's truth to that.
Yeah. They're literally feeling that.
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That fire in their body. It's happening.
We're starting to align with thelanguage that is somewhat
comical, but actually quite wiseto the inherent wisdom that
already comes with us. OK, so the next one is the cube,
which has symbolizes Earth, 12 edges, six faces and eight
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vertices. The cube, and there is a golden
ratio, which I discuss further in my book that I don't want to
deviate from that also exists ina cube.
I know that some mathematicians might have some controversy with
this, but I explain exactly whatI mean in the book.
I want to mention something really exciting about the
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octahedron, which is the elementof air. 12 edges, eight faces,
six vertices. OK.
It's a difficult shape to describe.
It's almost like 2 pyramids touching each other.
Yes, OK. For all of you listeners, I'm
going to throw a golden nugget, OK?
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Each Platonic solid and it and and and in general the geometric
patterns or or solids that we are aware of, OK.
They each have a symmetry group.Coincidentally, the number for
the octahedron symmetry group is, which symbolizes air on this
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planet is 432. 432 is a harmonious frequency that we as
humans associate to. I'd like to kind of talk a
little bit about that later if it, if you happen to talk about
it, let's. Come back to that because
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obviously frequency and sound isa critical aspect of your book.
So, and that that frequency thathurts when it's listened to is
has, you know, amazing effects on the human body.
Yes. So again, this is wisdom that
Plato was inspired by 2000 yearsago.
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OK, let's just remember that there, there is wisdom in each
of these solids that give a story of of creation, because
that's what geometry is. It helps us understand divine
creation. Then there's the dodecahedron.
OK, yes, there we go. The dodecahedron symbolizes
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ether. Plato said that it symbolized
the universe. The universe.
Can we just take a second here? Whoa.
OK, so 30 edges, 12 faces, 20 vertices.
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I'm sharing these numbers because it will make sense when
we talk about the ecosahedron. Tatiana is holding the
ecosahedron on the left side. The ecosahedron symbolizes
water. Now remember, OK, I'm going to
hold them up while you're holding them.
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I'm going to repeat this again. The dodecahedron contains 30
edges. The ecosahedron contains 30
edges. The dodecahedron contains 12
faces. The ecosahedron contains 20
faces. Right?
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For the vertices, you flip them.So the dodecahedron contains 20
vertices, the ecosahedron contains 12.
OK, there are, there's a lot of symmetry in these two shapes.
We also know, thanks to more emerging research, that the
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dodak ahedron and the ecosahedron are actually what
what is called a dual coupling. And what that means is that they
can interchangeably shift withinone another.
They can become one and separateof the other instantaneously.
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So let's remember the relationship now between DNA,
the DNA molecule, and the water molecule.
They are one to one. The water walk molecule shells
the DNA molecule. There's so much science there
that we're still unaware of, andhow the properties of water are
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enriching DNA and vice versa. But there is such a synchronous
alignment there between what Plato has showed us and the
reality of how the DNA molecule and the water molecule dance
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with each other. So I just thank you for showing
those models because I think it really helps people see how they
can mirror each other and how they support each other as well.
I think it's really fascinating because sacred geometry is the
basis of all life. You know, we have the flower of
life. And as you even you do
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demonstrate in a book. And so let's just talk about
water then, because I'm I'm not the expert here.
Share with your findings with sound.
You play the harp and and the the photography and there's
there's already been a lot of studies on on water and how how
beautiful the shifts and positive and negative effects on
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water. There was a moment in my life
when I was writing this book when I realized that I have to
deconstruct everything that I understand about water.
I have to remove any, any stories that tell me what water
is from, from my academic side. And I wanted to spiritually open
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up to water. And, and the person that
inspired me, the first person that inspired me was Veda
Austin. Veda Austin is now, you know, an
emerging water scientist. She's been in this field for I
think 8-9 years now from New Zealand, Australia.
And I heard her on a on a podcast and at the time, I
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didn't realize how my path wouldstart aligning with water
research and my interactions with water using sound.
But when I started writing this book, I realized that it's
happening now that my relationship with water is
actually changing because I'm changing, you know, and, and,
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and every person who experiencesany kind of change in
perspective or, you know, some kind of advancement, actually,
water has a lot to do with it. Water is that mysterious life
force that lives in every singleone of us.
And we're starting to understandmore about what that mystery is,
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but there's still a lot of life and mystery.
So listening to Beta Austin, I started to also become very
interested in Doctor Masaru, theJapanese water scientist, with
his studies showing how sound can can influence the shapes of
water. Of course he had a microscope
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and I have an iPhone. So with with water you don't.
You can use either. Quickly, just talk about the
example you use in your book, because that was really awesome.
It's like anyone, anybody with adigital phone can just do that
at home just to prove to themselves or to do the
experiment. You know, like you said, you
don't need a microscope. What opened my eyes to this is I
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did a one-on-one with a beta Austin when I started my
journey. I wanted to see how does this
work? And so I'm, I'm, I'm referencing
her because she's the one that introduced me to this.
And as soon as we started our session together, she said, let
me do a reading. What does water want to say?
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Not about you. What does water want to say?
So then off the bat, she's acknowledging water as its own
being, as its own intelligence. So I thought, OK, what a way to
start a workshop together. So she puts water into a little
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Petri glass, glass Petri dish. You can get it off Amazon, you
know, 10-12 dollars, whatever. And she freezes it.
She says my time is 555 or aboutthat time, meaning that she puts
it in her freezer and then she takes it out at that time.
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And then when she did, she says you always take a towel for the
condensation. And then she she shows it to us
and it's this very coherent image of a flower.
It was a Lotus flower opening up.
I got. Photos in your book and you
totally can tell that it's a Lotus flower.
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Right, right. So water, she just did a
reading. She didn't ask water anything.
She said just show us what you want.
So right off the bat, I thought,OK, she had me, right?
She's still does. And after one session, I
thought, OK, now it's my time. I want to change my conscious
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relationship with water. I want to acknowledge that water
is its own being. And so that's what I did in my
own space. I felt so silly, but I didn't
care anymore. I had a little Petri dish of
water. I started a conversation with it
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and I introduced myself to it. My name is Ruslana.
I've got my cat back here. Her name is Biju.
She's white, she's poofy. She's really sweet.
This is what I did today. I would love if we can become
friends. You know, I just really pushed
those boundaries of my own discomfort, of my own skepticism
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because I come, again from a scientific background.
And here I am, a woman talking to water.
I love it. Yeah.
So I realized in that session with water that I'm not, you
know, I, my times will be different from Vedas or anyone
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else. And I encourage everyone in the
audience to recognize that too. And I just found that perfect
medium. I think it was like 6 close to 6
minutes for me. And in the very beginning it's,
you know, you, you warm up to a person, you warm up to
something. You, you start to learn its
patterns, its shapes. It's there.
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There's got to, there has to be a recognition medium between two
people where you start to feel the field right.
So in that first session, I thought, OK, you know, I was so
confident. Yes, this is it.
I, I believe. I believe that we have something
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and we did. Even though it wasn't
understandable to me at the at that time, I still felt that
water is opening up to me because I've opened up to it.
So moving forward, I started to everyday talk with water.
I started to experiment using different techniques.
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For instance, I would put water on top of an image and see how
it would memorize the structure of that image because water has
shown memory in in experiments. The perfect example is Jean
Bonaviste, who is one of the founders of homeopathy, where he
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studied how when you add a any sort of biological substance and
you titrate it, right, you you reduce that concentration all
the way down to the last spinning molecule, right?
Water remembers how that movement is in the water.
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It will still operate in the waythat it remembers and recognizes
that molecule to the last molecule.
So I would do just do intelligence questions where
there was no visual prop to testits memory.
I would just simply ask it questions.
I would ask what you know what what lives underwater.
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And at the time I had a mermaid pendant necklace.
And in the book I have an image of what seems to be an image of
a, a, a, a person that looks like a mermaid.
It has a, a fin attached to it. And that was one way I talked
with water. Another way is I would, I would
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sleep with water. So I when I used to, I had like,
I would have a nightmare. I would see if water would
detect it and how it would show that.
So what I show, what I realized in my interfacing with it is
that water appeared very stressed.
It had a lot of jagged lines versus having more like star
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shapes or geometric patterns that actually are that look like
the Platonic solids, interestingly.
So there was just a different range of different approaches I
would take to start facilitatingan open relationship with water.
The more open that I became withwater, the more clear the
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patterns are. There's no background noise,
there's no kind of random shapesanymore.
It just becomes a clear image. It almost becomes a form of
divination in a sense, doesn't it?
Yeah. So I decided, OK, I wanted to
somehow apply my idea about the dodecahedron just universally
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connected to the DNA concept, right?
So I thought why don't I sonify the dodecahedron on a 36 string
harp and it was sonified using 7frequencies of the dodecahedron.
What I mean by that is in the book I elaborate on the specific
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structure of the dodecahedron and I deconstructed what those
angles are and converted them into frequency.
So I used seven of those angles,right, the geometric angles, and
just plotted them on the harp and.
That's the section where I was like, I can't be reading this in
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bed. I need a fresh brain to track to
track what what she's talking about here.
Yeah, yeah. It, it, it was so mind blowing
because when I started to play, I was so excited.
I felt that water would possibly, I, I felt that water
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would present what is what is water's interpretation of the
sound. I'm more interested in that.
I'm more interested of what the wisdom that water wants to
present. What?
Is so deeply healing. Like I, I actually have a copper
bathtub and copper, as you know,is, is supremely conductive,
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right? And so you can imagine when it's
filled with water and you set anintention for like getting in,
like often I'll stand, I'll run a little bit and I'll stand in
it. And I will literally set an
intention and thank the water, thank it for, and the healing
properties And literally look atthe look at it coming out of the
tap, but also look at the bottomof the top as it's filling up
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with water. And then I'm laying in in the
bath. It's like this supremely healing
experience. I've always loved bathing anyway
taking a bath but but in a copper bathtub it's like
amplified to like another level.There was a fascinating study
done in I think India where water was infused by mantra
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certain period of time and they wanted to see how this infused
water with intention would respond in treating the waters
the the underground water that had a contamination.
We hope that this kind of water actually helps, you know,
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decontaminate, but actually it has so much energy in life that
it actually enlivens the bacteria.
It's so they saw an increase in the concentration of the
bacteria in the water is using the mantra and used water.
For me, it makes total sense because when I'm in the bath and
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I'm using chanting mantra, I'm really being very intense,
intentional with the kind of mantra that I'm using.
I'm making sure it's not to a, adeity that might be more active
because that's not, that's not the moment that I want, I want
to be in an environment that's more soothing.
And so I do also know the mantrafor the for water.
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And so I will, I'll chant for the Devi of water, Jala Devi.
And so it's actually quite a soothing, beautiful up levelling
experience of gratitude because it's like I'm acknowledging the
presence of the of the deity within the water.
There's so much excitement, I think where scientists are
finally wanting to go into the rogue areas of understanding
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what life is about. And water is, is one of those
fields. I mean, we know, thanks to
Doctor Gerald Pollack and other supporting scientists and
contributors, that water exists beyond three phases.
Water actually has four phases. So it's now accepted that water
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has four phases. You know, we're slowly building
our momentum into deliberately living a more expansive light.
It's, it's, it's part of the birthing cycle that we're in.
It's, it's truly exciting. What a what a time to live.
I think so. It is, it is amazing and that
things are being acknowledged ina way that they're being
normalized. You know, we can have these
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conversations and we're not, we're not thought of as crazy
people. Yeah.
Like, yeah, water. I actually blessed my water
every morning and with my hands over my glass and before I
consume it for the last 20 years, I actually stopped having
water that was cold with ice in it, understanding that it it
alters the form and it's not good internally for my body.
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And this is such a myth in the West, particularly in the United
States, where everybody, especially in the summertime,
really needs to have water with ice in it and iced everything,
iced coffee, iced teas, like allthese ice beverages.
And it's like, Oh my gosh, like.Yes, yes.
It's not actually good in that in that form for the internal
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organs. But and when I read that section
of your book, we were talking tothe water and I messaged you
this and told you I said hi, hi,good morning.
I said, I introduce myself. I'm like, my name is Tatiana.
Thank you so much for like holding my body and expanding my
DNA and really up leveling everyorgan, every cell or the
arteries, my blood, everything in my body.
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And then I said, I'm so grateful.
And then I always as a part of my my blessing, my water.
Thank in the tradition that thatI practice in the Nuggets who
are The Who are the wisdom keepers of of the waterways.
So I I said that aloud. I did feel really silly too, but
then I was like, do you know what, it's amazing.
This is always wonderful benefits and like, why not say
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thanks? You know, why not acknowledge
what it does for us? There are some really
fascinating and and intricate images of water.
I think it's probably close to like on the other side of the
world. I forgot which continent or body
of water exactly, but easily searchable online.
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The bodies of water that have snow around they, they are
creating patterns, frozen patterns in the water that
there's it's not a a a blank sheet of ice.
It's actually very beautiful power of life looking patterns.
There's no way that a human being went out there and carved
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this into the water. No, it's actually communication
of the water. It's it's life that's budding
from the water. And it's exciting that humans
are starting to capture those moments where they become
evidence now. And you can even buy, you know,
glass water bottles with the flower of life image on it and
it amplifies and, and changes the, the structure of the water
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so that it's cleaner and, and more whole for, for the drinker
of the water. And you mentioned your book
Doctor Emoto, who really was a pioneer in the studies of water
with the photography of how whenyou're putting positive energy
into the water, speaking just kind, kind words and then
photographing it, how that shifted and did create this
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flower of life like pattern. Yeah, Doctor Emoto, I I think
that he, he's one of the scientists that thankfully
showed us this, this hidden quality about water.
I mean, when you look at his images, there's, there's so many
stories that you can tell. No one needs to even tell you
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narrate it. The water is narrating it for
you in response. To the vibration that it's
receiving, and it's not just sound, I believe it's also in
tension. When the water was stimulated by
Mozart, it was creating these beautiful snowflake imagery
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with, you know, hard metal, rock'n'roll, disorganization,
chaos, right? He had hundreds of these
visuals. There's so much there.
Water is becoming the emphasis. And just the other day I
realized that thanks to water, there's more.
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There's more emphasis on form, form and DNA because of water.
Water is the shapeshifter, wateris the diva.
I think that in the future, as science progresses, we are going
to become more interested not only in the shape of DNA, but
actually the emphasis will be more on water.
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That's more forward thinking. How then can you relate that
again to the 12 stranded DNA that resides within us?
If we're consuming water and blessing it and setting an
intention, what then is that doing for our DNA?
Or this is that a is that a method that we can apply to
awaken the 12 stranded DNA within?
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Us so everything that we have within us it's it's there it's
it's we are born in in this divine capability, right.
I also think that we are just not in a technology age where
we're able to fully understand and unravel 12 strands of DNA
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just yet. But again, everything begins on
a spiritual level. Spiritual spirituality
concretizes into the 3D World. So it's really important that if
we do decide we want to activateour 12 stranded DNA, right?
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It's it's first of all, it's a matter of choice and free will.
Second of all is we are so much more vast and talented and there
are so many levels of being human that we are unraveling
about ourselves, whether that means communicating with angels
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or frequency beyond our scientific understanding, right?
More, more sort of parapsychology, anomalous
experiences, that's still beyondus.
But what's more important is howwe are feeling about ourselves,
the love that we are advancing on how how can we how can we
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expand our understanding about human love?
That to me in my if I die tomorrow, right?
That is my overall overarching goal is to further my own
understanding of what love is because love is the
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consciousness that is bridging everything that we are capable
of experiencing in this life. And you know, love is the least
technical term on this planet, but it is the gateway into
evolution and one that is becoming a scary forgotten
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memory, which is why I'm urgently and also with so much
care, sharing that love really is the answer here.
We can do all of these practices, which are great ways
to attune the body right, to kind of create a physiological
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shift, because that's some a lotof the times, I mean, everyday
we have blockages. We have to overcome something,
right? And, and, and we have a lot of
ways in doing that. At the end of the day, I want to
share one last thing with you because I'm just so excited
about this in my book. You probably have noticed that I
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go into Gematria a lot, yes? Well, I, I did want to ask you
about gematria. So yeah, if you could definitely
explain firstly what is gematria, what is this practice
and how we how was it related tonumbers?
Yes, OK, so gematria is the ancient study of the
alphanumeric system behind a letter which creates a word,
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which creates ideas, right. And part of the scientist, the
spiritual scientist in me is when you start to see the
patterns that or the shared values, numbers that the words
have. So this was something that was
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given to us. Again, it goes back to
Pythagorean days. I studied Pythagorean gematria
with a very capable mentor, Pythagorean mentor who has
proven Pythagorean theorem in 520 ways.
He's now the current world record, a world Guinness record
holder and his name is Elithirios Argopoulos and he is
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in Greece. He lives in Greece and he is a
diamond, sort of a hidden diamond.
And he, he has really opened my eyes to how we can start sort of
bringing in concepts together mathematically just by decoding
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these, these constructions of, of language, because language is
a vibration, words are vibration, words are numbers.
This is different from numerology, just to explain.
How it's different to numerology?
So I'm going to stick specifically with the fact that
it's a more of a Pythagorean approach to studying numbers,
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right? So we take the symmetry behind,
we actually take data, for example, your name Tatiana,
right? And we convert it.
I use the Greek language becausethat's what I, that's what I
learned. And I extrapolate a number from
it. You have your own number.
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You also have your own number when you're activated.
You have your own number when you are aligned with living your
mission. So it's the Pythagorean
approach. It's wisdom that was passed
down, but very carefully. And a lot of people, I think one
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day we'll learn more about it. But a lot of people it's, it's
unknown. It's it's like a diamond in the
rough, you know, and. It's different numerology how
because that also you can a namecan be a breakdown to a number.
I've kind of just personally notreally associated or resonated
with it because there's a lot ofambiguity.
There's a lot of kind of subjective experiences with a
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person's own relationship with numerology.
And I think that's also part of the sacred part of living with
numbers is a number that associates with you, is
affirming when you see it and itand it can also transmit
differently in the energetic configuration that it's in, in
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the moment because moment in time exists, but they also
don't. So with numerology, I just
haven't really spent a lot of time in understanding what
numerology is because I've been more magnetized towards the
Pythagorean approach because it there's sort of a congruency
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with how I'm interfacing with the solids as well the geometric
solids. So it all kind of funneled and
streamlined with the dodecahedron approach as well.
But I'm not against numerology. I just simply don't have much
experience in this kind of multifaceted tradition I've sort
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of kept under the umbrella of something that's a lot more
mathematically proven and verified.
There's definitely a frequency and a vibration that is emitted
from the. They're like codes in a sense.
Yeah, they're like mathematical codes and different to like
light codes. But there's, there's some kind
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of a transmission that takes place when you're breaking down
these various words and then giving and, and then revealing
the number right within that because that that feels, as you
said, it feels very sacred. And so when you're doing, when
you started working with, did you start to see more Angel
numbers as a result? I'm just curious.
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Yeah, I, I'm so excited about this because when I started to
work with Eleftherios, there wassort of kind of a natural
unlocking that happened with me where it's the same thing with
water. When you become more open to its
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life, to what it wants to revealto you, it happens.
It it can happen. So when I started working with a
Leftherios, I started seeing more relevance and information
that was being transmitted through numbers.
Like, for example, I really wanted to share with you, when
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you take the word consciousness Sindhisi in Greek, it's eight,
85885. Well, coincidentally A
meaningful coincidence when you take the word love agape, right?
It's also the number 885. I think that's kind of cool.
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That's actually really amazing because like so when I work with
my clients, I always say we're working from the highest place.
The messaging that comes throughfor you is from literally
consciousness. It's come, it's coming from the
highest source and it's coming through to expand us to expand
the it's coming so that we can shift, have an awareness or
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become aware of something that then needs to be moved through
the body in order to invite in that loving awareness, that
expanded loving consciousness. And I see it.
I see the way it comes through. Like I literally see it as like
this amazing light and how it's connected to the entire
universe. It's, it's amazing.
So now I was just curious if if you started seeing more or Angel
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numbers in general and were theykind of just coming in like
patterns or like how was that appearing to you?
And, and even the orbs that we've been sharing exchanging
with each other recently. I mean, my like last week, some
of those orbs were just really so incredible, like so expansive
and just for every day or every other day, they were coming to
(51:36):
me. And sometimes I can actually see
them with the naked eye and not in quite as fine detail, but I
know that that that presence is there and it's so magical and so
filled with love. It can feel the shift, the
energy change in the room and the light quality changes as
well. It's not like, oh, the sun is
rising or setting and it's super.
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There's like a distinct shift inthe in the energy and the and
the light quality. Absolutely.
I want to say that I felt more depth when I started
experiencing numbers. I mean, it's one thing when
we're in school and we have an arithmetic problem, but then we
see it in life and there is a transmission from it.
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One analogous example I can giveis, you know, when people do
breath work, for instance, I think that, you know, it's
common for people to kind of tryto achieve a light headed state,
right? Well, in this experience, it's
less light headed, it's more deep headed.
So you start to feel more connected.
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You start to feel more at one with the universal and also the
elements that make it so diverse.
It's cosmic. It's cosmic, Yes, exactly.
Yes. So.
And that's what's the prana like, the life force.
Exactly. Yes, there, there was a
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significant alignment. When I realized, I brought it to
his attention that if you Add all of the letters in the
Hellenic or the Greek alphanumeric system, you get
4990, five, 4995, right. Well, I was kind of inspired to
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Add all of the Sulphagio frequencies together.
Guess what? The value is 4995.
Just quickly explain what that what the sulphagio frequencies
are. Yeah.
So the Sulphagio frequencies, the history goes back to the
11th century when the Benedictine monk presented music
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that was sacred, it was dimensional, It was sort of
enlightening at the time. There was actually six of them.
There wasn't the modernized or the added three that we have
now, Yes. The 9 octave on the piano I'm
sure thinking of a piano key like pianos, right?
Right. Right through the there's a.
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Story behind that? I don't know if you know this
story. I think I have an idea of how.
It was deliberately They were deliberately added.
One of the original 6 was removed and these other three
were added with another one so that the healing properties were
completely taken, taken out, edited.
It doesn't mean that you one can't listen to music today,
classically played on the piano or whatever and hear and receive
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something from it. But the original sufficient
code, which was incredibly healing and uplifting and
designed to affect us and alter our DNA in a really positive way
and expand consciousness and awareness.
And that that was deliberately altered as a, a whole theory
around that, that that was shared with me when when I used
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to work at, I was a producer at Gaia for several years, Gaia TV.
And so there was someone had haswritten a lot, a lot about it
and a book about it. And you know, that said a lot of
stuff to me about it. It's like, OK, I believe you.
It's just so interesting to me how there's so much history.
Insult Fazio, right? Then there's also science that
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is accepting that, you know, several frequencies actually do
show physiological changes in the body, such as 528 DNA
healing. That's becoming more widespread,
right? What's interesting to me is that
I think that the Sulfagio frequencies will go down in
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history. I, I do think that they're a
significant stepping stone. I, I think that they were the
base, the foundation of how we want to understand sound as a
healing modality, as a way that can significantly alter our
awareness, our consciousness, and also how we feel and our and
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our and our body. I think moving forward there's
more coming in how we can extrapolate frequencies, sound
frequencies actually, that are more cosmic connecting them to
to Earth. Well, that's the music of the
spheres, right? I mean, we have this concept of
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the music of the spheres, which also comes from ancient, the
ancient Greeks, and this understanding that every planet
vibrates at its own frequency. Absolutely.
And I was really inspired by this.
These two concepts, language vibration and language from
gematria, which you can take anyalphabet and and create a
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gematria system. By the way, it's not just Greek
or Hebrew or for the Phoenician language and also the frequency
of sound, there is a correlation.
I wanted to explore this, the concept of cosmic music because
the dodecahedron is universal and the symbol of ether.
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So you know, I created a separate frequency set of 10
frequencies that are inspired. It's a dodecahedral set of a
frequencies that are cosmic. They they sound literally
galactic. You've released that now, right?
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What is the instrument that makes it your harp?
Or are you also including other instruments?
So right now they're digital. I'm using just a digital
modality to kind of construct because it's, it's, it's very
new. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's
kind of in its emergence stage. But moving forward, I would like
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to incorporate the harp as I have done with other music.
Now, we've talked a lot about different concepts here some
people may know about. Some people may be like, what
the heck? So how can we bring it all back
down to expanding and activatingour DNA?
First of all, it's really important that we not so much
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focus as DNA as the final outcome, as the destination, but
more of our experiential momentswhere we start to feel shifts in
our relationship with our surroundings and with ourselves.
You know, those shifts don't have to be limit kind of limited
to what, you know, psychology orparapsychology shares about, you
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know, PK or telepathy or precognition, clairvoyancy.
Those are all really exciting new dimensions and new
frontiers. But I, I really believe that the
shifts that we're going to feel are, are going to be more
electromagnetic shifts. They're going to be more vibrant
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from within. That technology right now
probably doesn't have the means to fully understand because 12
strand construct is too sophisticated at this point.
But we can start to see differences in our
electromagnetic field that can be measured.
I just met a wonderful scientistsetting at the Ryan Research
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Center where he's studying bio energy healing and he is
studying the healing emissions that people have using a photo
multiplier tube. He's actually measuring the
wavelength that people are emitting.
Not not the aura, that's something else, but the actual
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energy that is being. Person of the healer or the
individual that they're working on?
Of the actual healer Wow, because energy he actually,
there are people that can literally heal with their
electromagnetic field. That's that's real.
And for a while I was skeptical.Again, I'm being very open
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'cause I'm, I have a scientific background in this and I was
sort of even resistant in my ownbelief system, you know, But
it's very real. People are healers and we, we
all have that capability. The most important person that
we are helping as our, you know,ourselves is, is the way that we
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are showing up in the world. So to go back to your question,
the DNA activating is going to happen.
It's going to it's going to naturally take place when we
decide that we want to be more open with our relationship with
the with the life that already exists that are probably silly
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to us. Water for one right sound in
general. I I talk in my book, there's a
lot of different chapters on different concepts because you
can't limit DNA in into just onelinear field.
I wanted to talk about differentnotes because there's
opportunities that science is, is, is there's the gaps in, in
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in kind of our modern science ofhow we are relating to DNA and
also intimidated by it at the same time.
But actually we're an instrument.
Light and sound come in so many different forms.
And I think that the more we arewilling to gravitate to
experience the different forms of it, the more we are naturally
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activated and want to expand will naturally expand our
abilities. And this is something that I
believe is can happen naturally,right?
You've just given some examples of ways that we can attune
ourselves through sounds, frequencies and other practices
when we've gone through when we're experiencing this shift.
I think how you notice that is in how is in what you intake,
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what you then choose to view andlisten to and participate in.
There's a big shift there. So for example, if it's sound,
you are becoming more attuned towanting to hear sounds that are
of the healing vibration versus something being more hardcore
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that you might have liked 10 or 15 years ago.
But now you can't even listen tothat stuff anymore because it's
just too much for the nervous system.
It's like I can't take it right.So I think that's an example.
That's what's happened to me anyway.
I think that's an example of a way we can we can feel within
ourselves that we're expanding. Absolutely.
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Thank you for bringing that up. I, I wanted to share that this
is you're, you're right on point.
We will naturally shift, so willour living Organism with the
environment that we choose or desire to be in, meaning that we
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will regulate according to the atmosphere or the conditions
that we choose to surround ourselves in.
I met Ed Edwards over the last weekend.
I didn't know that I was meetingEd Edwards.
Ed Edwards is an He is a high performing energetic being and
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he has been, science has proven that his brain operates on a
very high frequency and they call him alien brain.
Well, I didn't know that I was sitting next to Ed Edwards at
this conference and I just turn around cuz we're doing
introductions, right? And I just turn around and he
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didn't even say anything, but myheartbeat just escalated up.
I'm not detached. I am part of the one field that
you're part of as well. We're all part of the same
field. But I what I'm trying to say is
I am not. I acknowledge that that's not
necessarily my own physiologicalresponse that I was feeling,
(01:04:16):
even though that's what I was sort of manifesting.
So here he is saying I met Edwards.
My heart, my heart is just goingfast right?
And I years ago this I wouldn't have been so sensitive to other
people's surroundings. I'm just here.
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So he explains what's going on, who he is.
And then he he talks about his energy and sort of how he is
able to transmit electrical impulses.
He able to light up light bulbs with just by holding them.
So then it was my turn to speak and I said, skip over me,
(01:05:01):
please. I need to ground find a way to
regulate. Now, funny enough, John Cruth
was behind me. He's the director at Rhine
Research Center. He heard me and he said, I'm
going to help you with that. So he so together we hope to get
to a more, you know, grounded breathing level.
(01:05:24):
But just I wanted to share that because I want to say that we
all have, we all share a field and we all can emit energy to
each other and feel that energy,whether it's high, whether it's
low, whether you know someone's intentionally trying to heal
even remotely, it's, it's all possible.
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So there's so many faces, opportunities, gateways of how
to apply oneself into this kind of experiential form of life
where one can start to feel moreas an active participant, more
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as a vessel, an instrument, but also more of a conscious
participant of evolution. But great, great way to end.
Thank you, really really love that.
Thank you so much, Tatiana. It's so lovely to talk with you
and connect with you and I. I feel like we've already been
connected. Definitely.
(01:06:26):
We could sure have.
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