November 20, 2025 • 38 mins
In this episode, legendary spiritual teacher Diana Cooper joins me to explore her transformative book, The 36 Spiritual Laws That Govern All Life. Together, we unpack how these universal principles offer a blueprint for conscious living — providing practical insight into prosperity, happiness, and spiritual alignment.
Each law — from the Law of Attraction to the Law of Reflection — is a reminder that every thought, action, and intention carries energy and meaning.
These teachings invite us to step out of resistance and into alignment — to see how life is always working with us, not against us.
On the pod:
- How these laws are grouped (Basic Laws of Life; Laws of Creation; Higher Awareness; Higher Frequency) to guide different dimensions of our being.
- The law of attraction - how it really works.
- The law of karma - how we are living in a time when we have the opportunity to absolve our karma.
- How aligning with these spiritual laws can lead to more purpose, balance, and even enlightenment.
Whether you’re new to spiritual principles or deeply familiar with them, this conversation offers clear, actionable wisdom. It’s not just metaphysical theory — it’s a guide to living more fully, intentionally, and aligned with your highest self.
About: Diana has been working with the angelic realms, the angels, dragons and unicorns, since an angel appeared to her. Her mission until 2016 was to connect 7 million people to their angels.
Then, after a near death experience and life review, her life was extended and she was given a new blueprint and life mission. Her new life mission is to take 5 million people into 6D and 7D ascension.
She has written over 30 books that are translated into 28 languages and produced many card decks.
Links: https://dianacooper.com
https://www.instagram.com/dianacooperangels/
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Hello, Anne. Welcome.
I'm Tatiana, and you're listening to the Conscious 0
podcast, A space for exploring the wisdom that awakens the
soul. In today's episode, we'll
explore Diana Cooper's The 36 Spiritual Laws That Govern All
Life, a beautiful framework for understanding the spiritual
architecture behind our experiences.
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Each law, from the Law of Attraction to the Law of
Reflection, is a reminder that every action, thought, and
intention carries energy and meaning.
These teachings invite us to step out of resistance and into
alignment to see how life is always working with us, not
against us. So if you've been feeling called
to deepen your connection to universal wisdom, this
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conversation will help you rediscover the sacred balance
between human experience and divine design.
So join me as we explore how these 36 spiritual laws can help
us find more clarity, peace, andflow, and learn what it really
means to live in harmony with the universal energy that
connects us all. If you've enjoyed this episode,
please write a review, follow the Conscious Diva podcast on
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Instagram and YouTube and share it with friends.
And thank you so much for listening.
Thank you so much for being back.
It's really great to see you andto talk to you again about your
latest book. Yeah.
The 36 spiritual laws that govern all life.
And this is this is the 4th edition.
Is that right? That book was actually first
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written 25 years ago and it's those Evergreen ones because the
spiritual laws are immutable andthey they control our lives.
They show us how we can live on Earth, which is why it's so
exciting and so, so simple, because everything is designed
to help you move forward. Otherwise, you just think it's
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like playing a game without knowing the rules on Earth
sometimes. And yet.
And the rules are explained. You understand what's going on
and why you've created things and how you can change it and
make your life acceptable. Yeah, yeah, it's like a right.
It's like a manual. And so so I, I received in a
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tradition, sent me the book. I only got it the other day and
I, you know, was immediately reading, reading through it and
because I thought we were havingour interview this morning, not
next month. So I was like, I've got to
quickly speed read this book. But you know what was really
great about that? There were so many reminders.
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So I'm getting divorced and it'svery easy, you know, when when
you're going through something that's emotional to get stuck in
your head, get stuck in your ways about the other person.
And when I was reading and I think it was the laws of
reflection, I was going to that and I sat back and I just
suddenly went, Oh my God. OK, I'm I'm totally the way he's
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responding is reflecting the wayI'm feeling, even though I'm not
even saying it aloud to him because my whole approach I
actually left decided to I was the one who made the decision
and my decision was always, but I want to come at this from a
higher place. I want to remain friends with
you. We can move forward from a place
of compassion and love and from grace.
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But of course, over the the lastyear, you know, you, it's so
hard to stay. I found it so hard to stay in
that in that place. And it's easy to default to our
humanness and go you suck or you're a shit or whatever.
But it's. Very interesting 1 and I think
one of the harder laws to understand.
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Because. You look in a mirror and you see
a reflection and you know in life you don't try and change
what's in the mirror. You change yourself and then the
the reflection changes and it's all very well.
But when you see a bit of yourself that you don't like,
then you don't want to change that.
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It's so much easier to blame theother person.
But as you've discovered, the moment you accept, it's
reflecting something back to youabout your attitude.
And you raised another interesting point, which is
people pick up our thoughts. Don't just pick up what we're
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saying. We send them the whole energy
package and they pick up the lotand then we of course deny it.
Oh no, of course I wasn't doing that.
The reflection tells us that we were.
Well, it was so interesting because I literally like last
night, sat with it and went, I'mgoing to just, I'm going to just
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try this out. Like, why not?
I'm going to just change my attitude right now.
And I sat and I dropped into a meditation and I really thought
about deeply in my heart, took alot of breaths, just really
calmed my nervous system and satin this place of gratitude,
firstly and blessings and also just sat with, OK, he's not a
bad person. And I really need to be letting
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the these thought forms and attitudes go.
And I'm going to shift that right now.
And instead I'm going to send you love.
I'm going to send him love because I, you're not a bad
person and you know, you're the father of my children.
So there's love there. I have love for you.
I'm going to send you love and made this all work out for the
highest good of our family. And then I, and then later I
went to bed and just thought, hell, hell, that whole thing
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also denying your practices, which we'll talk about after,
which was so great. And then this morning, because
he was stalling on some things, stalling on, you know, the, the
moving forward on the divorce stuff.
And he said, Oh my God, I'm like, I really felt like you had
you were, you know, something had changed.
And I said, I just want to let you know I'm really sorry for
being for projecting and being so negative towards you.
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I really am. I don't mean to be.
And last night I sat and I really held space fast and for
you and sent you love. And he said, I really felt it
and I'm ready to move forward and I'm really ready to let like
to step into this. And I was just like, Oh my God.
So I just wanted to tell you that.
So thank you for this wonderful reminder because everyone,
anyone who's listening doesn't think this is real.
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Like it is real and, and there'sso many great things.
I. Hear it all the time.
Miracles happen constantly. As soon as we understand what
we're doing shift something, theuniverse changes.
This book has written is broken down into the four different
sections right? You've got basic laws of life,
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law of creation, laws of higher awareness, and laws of higher
frequency. So why is it broken down?
The way I was looking at it, it's almost like you're building
on each thing. So you're starting, you're
easing in, and then you're expanding to the law of oneness
at the very end. So can you just explain these
different these inner states well?
Basically for simplicity and that's why I wrote it, just to
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make people understand life so that they could change it.
And and the very basics is that we are like children and the
universe loves us in the same way as we love our children
unconditionally. We don't always like them, we
don't always like what they do, but we love them and we want the
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best for them. And as soon as they change their
attitude to us, we give them what they want, which I think is
just so extraordinary. The moment you change your
attitude to something just as you found with your husband,
then everything changes. And so it's as within, so
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without. Whatever we believe, at an inner
level, the universe rearranges itself to accommodate that
belief. And that's just so amazing to me
that if something isn't happening that I want or I think
I want, I have to look at what am I sending out there?
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What am I believing? Change that.
Send out something different andit changes.
Yes, it. Makes life into a miraculous
space. And I think the other very ASIC
law is the law of request. Ask.
If you ask, then the moment you ask for something, you're ready
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to receive it. As long as you're not groveling
or being silly about it. But when you're genuinely ready
to ask for something, then you're ready to have it in your
life and the universe brings it forward for you.
It's so simple though. As you probably know, I work a
lot with the angelic realms and the basis is ask.
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Ask your angels and they will come up with it.
They will help you. But if you don't ask, there they
are. We've got free will.
They cannot help you, waiting tohelp you.
There's always army of beings waiting to help you.
But if you don't ask, you're notgoing to get.
Yeah. And you know what's what the how
you're presenting, this is you, you've given these really simple
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breakdowns, really easy analogies that you can wrap your
head around because there's thisis not the first time that the
spiritual laws have been communicated in in a book.
And you know, they've been written about, but often they're
written about in such a way thatyou're like, wait, what do I
need to do? And I mean, for example, you in
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the law of intention, you have that beautiful image of the
Archer and like using the bow and arrow.
And really what such lays the point with focus?
Just what is it that you want tofocus on?
What the where's your intention going?
What are you aiming for? And so that was such a great
metaphor and image of, yes, thatmakes total sense of getting
cleared, I think to help people,to help readers become clear on
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how to utilize these spiritual laws in the best way for them.
So I just thought every single one that you wrote about, you
had such good examples and really simple imagery that
people can connect to that you know?
I think that's a really important one that you've
mentioned though, because if youfocus on something without doubt
or deviation, you've got that goal in mind.
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You have to get there. As long as it's for the highest
good. Now I always add that always say
if it's for the highest good or under grace, because that
ensures you do what's right. And if you're really aiming for
something and it's not for the highest good and you have said
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for the highest good, only then you stop and think, OK, I've got
something wrong. Not the universe has got
something wrong. What is it?
And you can change at that point.
So everything but everything follows A strict principle and
and is understandable as long asyou take responsibility for
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yourself and look at what's going on.
Am I projecting something? Because the law of attraction is
exact. You are a magnet.
Every person is in your life because you've drawn them in,
you've attracted them to your vibration.
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You know this. And then you think, why is that
person in my life? What have I got to learn?
Why have I attracted that personin or that situation so often?
And then you can look at it, unravel it, and attract in what
you really want by sending out adifferent energy.
Yeah. And I think there's truth also
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with the law of gratitude because that's something that we
can that often can the simple practice of saying thanks,
giving thanks can be misused andas a tool for spiritual
bypassing, which I think is can be confusing for some people.
Ben, I think that's because they're not being genuine about
it. And you've got this really
beautiful breakdown. Just explain really the
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intention of of the law of gratitude.
I think the best way of describing it is if you've got a
child and they want something and you give it to them and they
beam with genuine delight and thanks, you love them so much,
you want to give them more. I'm sure you've experienced
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that. And if they say, oh, thanks, you
don't feel appreciated and the universe is the same.
The universe is like a parent. If you say, oh, thank you, thank
you for the garden, thank you for the money that's coming in,
there's no feeling in it. There's no energy in it.
And it doesn't really count as gratitude.
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It's just something that you're saying.
Yeah, no, that for sure. And it's really different.
It's like and that comes with the law of projection.
What are you, what are you putting out there and what's
getting mirrored back to? Can you just explain this point
a little bit? Well, we all project bits of
ourselves that we don't like onto somebody else and then we
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don't like that person and we all do it.
And then but we can stop and say, OK, what am I projecting?
What belief have I got that I'm putting on to them?
And then when we look at it and we claim it for ourselves and we
can say, oh, OK, I'll change that.
And it makes it so much easier. I think for some people it's
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quite hard because it's been there.
Well, their way of defending themselves all their lives is to
put their stuff on to somebody else.
They're the baddie. And if you think anybody is a
baddie, then that's a bit of youin there.
And of course people hate that because they like to be all
noble and pure and good. No one likes to hear the truth,
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do they? Say that you that that person
may be bad, but you don't then feel that oh, I hate that
person. You just recognize what they are
without the response internally.But if you've got that response
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internally, that's what tells you that you're projecting. 100%
and it's like if you go into your local cafe or shop and the
person's always rude to you, maybe you've been rude to them
and they're just reflecting it back.
You're projecting that onto them.
You know, that's that's something I would always say to
to my center being nothing. You need to look at why they're
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being rude to you. Maybe you're being rude to them.
They're not rude to me. They always ask me how I am and
how's my day. So I was wondering next.
You wrote this 25 years ago. Did you?
Did your? Angels communicate all of the
lawsuit or was it 1 by 1 you were you were receiving this and
learning about them? I honestly can't remember, it
was a long. Time ago.
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I I suspect I was just, yeah, just receiving it from my angels
and guides and writing it as it came through to me.
And how now we're in a time where I feel like the I mean,
they're always necessary, but we're really living in times
when where we, I think everybodycan really use this manual and
it's, you know, the keys to achieving prosperity, happiness
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and well-being. But it's so much more than that.
It is so much more. It's really a manual for living
life it in the highest. Do you find yourself ever like
having that human struggle and then going, no, I'm I and then
giving yourself a check? Oh yeah, absolutely.
And every single thing I'm responsible for.
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If my life isn't exactly what I want, then I need to look inside
myself and send out something different, make a decision about
my life. And there's even the law of
prayer. I love the law of prayer.
There's so many ways of praying which aren't actually prayer
like, you know, there's the the victim.
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Oh, goats, grovelling and whining.
Oh God, please give me this. But they're a victim.
And the energy of the universe knows that if they give you what
you ask for, you're just going to go around and lose it and
just ask for more next day. And that's the greedy person who
wants more. Come on, give me more.
Give me more. And what else is there?
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There's this is bargainer. Oh, God, if you give me this,
I'll do that. Have we ever done that?
The manipulator. Yeah, the bargainer.
I'll do that. And and then there's the one
that's shooting a line and saying, OK, I'll do this with no
intention of actually following through.
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And then there's the person thatis really clear and firm and
says, OK, this is what I want. This is how I see my next step.
This is what I've done towards it.
This is what I'd like you to do.Universe, please give me the
help I need. Wow.
That's when the universe or God or whatever you want to call it
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becomes a Co creator with you and you get all the support that
you need. So how you ask is really
important and of course asking with an open heart, asking from
a genuine space. These all receive responses from
the universe. So if you're praying and you're
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not getting the response that you need, then think about the
energy that you're putting into it.
Yes, and which law was that? Because I think you were talking
about your birthright, right, Like what is your birthright
like in tuning into the energy of knowing this?
It's my birthright to do to do this or to have that and being
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and, and and accepting that so that you can really step into
your, you know, whatever it is you're supposed to be doing.
That really also struck with me.I was really like, that's really
such a good way of, of setting an intention or love the Archer
analogy too, but I just thought that's such a good way to write
to journal on and say I my birthright is this like I
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deserve that. Like it just felt, it felt
really empowering actually to write that as a mission
statement. If you believe you deserve it,
then you do and you'll get it. It's this belief, you know,
we've been brought through thousands of years of we're
miserable sinners and we don't deserve and actually we don't.
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We're amazing divine beings and we do deserve, but we've just
got to get that into our into our consciousness.
And and this is I love the law of resistance because you see it
so often. If you see a mother shouting to
her child who's in a trance state, running along the road
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skipping, don't fall over. What does the child do?
Fall over because she's receiveda message directly into her
unconscious to fall over. Because the human mind and the
universe do not accept negatives.
So it cuts out the negative. So it's saying always be
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positive. If you're making affirmations,
people say my affirmations don'twork.
They're complete rubbish. Well, actually they, they do
work if you use them correctly, if you make sure your words are
positive, that no negatives whatsoever.
People, I hear it all the time, people saying, Oh, I'm always
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saying I don't want that job. And then of course they're
saying to the universe, I want that job and they get it.
And they said, but I said I didn't want it.
They're just using negative laws.
And that does not work. So how can people use the laws
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then? Like is there a, do you
recommend starting your day withsome of the affirmations in here
or just doing a check in periodically with yourself in
the day? What?
What do you tell people? And I would say always, always
make sure everything that you say is positive.
What's your thoughts? What's your words?
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And of course, as our frequency rises, then it our thoughts
become more and more powerful and they come back to you
straight away. So be very careful what you
think. I think it's a wonderful thing
to go outside and just say, wow,thank you for another amazing
day. Today is fabulous.
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Miracles are happening, wonderful things are happening.
I'm meeting beautiful people andjust affirming what you do want
to happen in that day. It's such a powerful way to
start your day off if you want to be to get a new job today.
Thank you for my success in my job.
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And you're telling the universe it's powerful, it's positive,
and it starts your day off. And what if somebody's really in
a headspace where they're just terribly depressed and, and may
not believe because they've justhad time and time again, you
know, just terrible things happening to them?
And they come upon this book, asyou know, it's given to them
all. They're like, OK, there's
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something in this. Where could they begin?
At the beginning, that's why it's written in that order,
because it explains how the world is a game and there are
rules, and that when you follow those rules or following rules
sounds like something compulsory, but actually it's
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these are how it works. And if you understand how it
works, then you can turn that round and you can make your life
joyful, successful, abundant, positive, full of friends,
happy. Everything is possible.
And when we follow the simple rules, we just make it happen
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because the universe rearranges itself to accommodate what we
tell it. We are so powerful without
realizing it. And the person who's been
depressed and everything's gone wrong is using exactly what's in
the book against themselves, andcan therefore change it.
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I admit, I think that's really lovely advice because they're
and you do, you do spell that out, you do go through this and
it does take a lot of inner workand want to commit to oneself to
be able to shift our awareness. And, and then once you start
seeing those, those little giftsfrom the universe, you begin to
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believe and see and go, OK, thisis real.
I'm I can do this, I can do this.
And they're baby steps. You know, sometimes you're given
a bigger, you know, something else to make you, to show you,
yes, this is it, You know, believe everything that's in
here in life, in life is truly magical.
It's not, you know, I always say, I've said to my kids, I've
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got a 21 year old son as well. Like life is really magical.
It's. Fully filled with.
Magic. You've just got to believe and
feel into it, but it's sometimeshard to to convince people of
that who don't, who who aren't on that frequency.
I know, but I love it. It says in the book somewhere
that miracles are signs that you're on your right pathway.
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And so great, lovely, happy, lucky things happen.
Then you're on your pathway. Yeah.
OK. So that that's the law of
miracles. Yeah.
Just just talk about that one for a SEC.
And so a miracle takes place when your energy transcends
everything else and you're in exactly the right space to bring
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you something beyond the ordinary.
A miracle is a natural phenomenon.
It's just strange because we don't expect it.
But actually, the minute we ask or we raise our frequency and
let light flow through us, then send healing to somebody under
grace. If they receive it, it, it's a
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healing miracle, but it's not. It follows spiritual law.
Yeah, but also miracles can be really tiny things.
They don't have to be these monumental.
It's not like you, you, you someone shows up at your house
with $100,000. It's it's like, but you,
somebody might show up with yourat your house with some
chocolate for you. And you've been thinking about,
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Oh my gosh, I need to go. You know, it could be some
something so small. You know, you come in, you get
into your car, and then just there's this thing that you
hadn't you'd lost six months agoand suddenly there it is, right?
And I think it's the reframing of what a miracle might be as
well. I think we all think it's
something like a genie is going to appear out of a bottle and
grant us a wish. Absolutely.
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Everything is energy and you create that energy around you.
You change that energy and you Draw Something else in.
And if it's at a much higher frequency, you're going to term
it a miracle because you hadn't expected it.
Maybe outside the time and spacethat we normally normally have
it, it's just energy and action.The lower frequency and
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vibration, it comes right for the law of miracles and this is
really important to explain to people because our frequency and
vibration, it really does like attracts like.
It really is, yeah. So maybe just give an example
of, you know, a bad day for somebody and if you're if
you're, you know how that could be a lower frequency and things
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may not be great, go your way that day.
It was your story right at the beginning.
You were sending low frequency energy to your husband.
The minute you sat down, took responsibility and sent them a
him a loving energy, he changed.And that's exactly the same
thing to create a small miracle or a big miracle.
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Now Christmas is coming. It's a time when people dread
seeing all those that they choseas their comic soul mates in
life and you know, the family and they press our buttons
because we chose them because they would.
And so it's a time to look at those people and say, OK, hey,
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what am I doing? What am I sending them that is
causing them to respond in that way to me changing it?
And what I like to do is to lookinto their heart and instead of
seeing all the hurt and they read the way they're responding
because they're disillusioned with life and they don't love
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themselves and all of that. Look through all those bricks
and boulders in their heart and look at their beautiful, golden,
loving heart in the middle. And when you start seeing that,
that person changes because we have enough power very often to
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trigger that to come alive. And then they start seeing
themselves differently because you've seen it for them.
We can really, really help others to change.
Yeah, that's really beautiful. And now you mentioned karma and
so how the law of karma, what was nice in that chapter, you
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also mentioned that we're livingat this unique time where as
humans we have an ability to to relinquish in a sense our karma.
Just explain that a little bit. Well, basically every single
thing you do is written down andand recorded and so that you
have a comeback. You don't get away with anybody.
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Somebody doesn't steal somethingfrom you and get away with it.
You've got a choice. You can either get really angry
and upset about it, in which case you're taking that on and
making it worse, or you can let it go and forgive them.
Or somebody's hurt you, you can forgive them.
The minute you forgive them, then that sets you free.
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This is what people don't realize.
I'm not letting go of my anger towards that person because they
hurt me and I want them to know it and be punished.
OK well you'll both be punished then.
But the minute you say. OK.
I let it go, I set them free, then they're set free and you're
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set free. And you know, what I hadn't
heard about Karma was that it was Hells in the Akashic Records
so that you write about in that chapter.
And I didn't I've actually neverbeen even from friends of mine
that that work with it. OK, Akashic Records as a as a
healing modality. And so can you just expand on
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that a little bit? And the angels that are, are I
guess we can work with in our own practice.
Yes. Well, basically everything is
stored in a record and you can go into the record, but it is
changing. The frequency has risen so much
that the karmic records are now closing.
The Lords of Karma have been disbanded and instead of going
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into the karmic laws, we can either go into the Halls of
Amenity where everything is stored that's 5th dimensional
and above and start to look at that and clear it.
Or if it's something that we need to repay or somebody else
needs to repay goes into their own soul records and clear it
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from there. And.
Nobody ever gets away with anything and it's what we
believe that creates things. I I don't actually listen to
anything very often, But I was in the car and I put on the
radio and somebody was going on about somebody had stolen her
phone. And she was in London, somewhere
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like that, in a crowded city. And she chased him and she
screamed and she yelled. And everybody around just stood
and stared at her. And nobody helped.
And then she went into a McDonald's or something and ran
in screaming, help me, help me. And I said to my guide, well,
OK, So what happens now? And he said, OK, first of all,
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she believed that was her beliefthat she couldn't get help, that
people wouldn't help her. If she believed people would
help her, of course they would all step forward and helped her.
But that was her belief, so theydidn't help her.
She sent that out in her energy fields.
She repelled them with her energy.
And then each one of those went home and thought about it and
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learnt something from it. I said, well, what happened to
the guy that's now that's stolenher phone?
He said, oh, that is dealt with by his soul.
He will have to learn that lesson.
Repay Karma is all about learning the lesson in some form
or other because it's happened to you what you've done to
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someone else. And so his soul will now deal
with that. No, no one really ever thinks
about all the repercussions of our actions in a day, right?
How we're going to move, move forward in the world.
So that again is why this is such AI think can be really used
as a guidebook to just explain how we want to show up not just
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for others in our day, but for ourselves and all of our loved
ones because you really, it really truly is a ripple effect.
Right, like you. You just, you show up in one way
and you have a smile on your face and you greet somebody and
it might make them feel good. Then they might go out and help
somebody cross the road and thatperson felt good and then you
know, something else happened and just it, it just good things
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happen. But if you're grumpy and you go
out and you're just nasty and mean, you might have a car
accident, may not be a serious one, but you might, you know,
somebody might kill your car because you made a bad face with
them. They've watched you go back to
the parking lot. It's so easy to blame yourself
and blame somebody else and say,oh, they must have done
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something bad for that to happen.
There is also something else involved and that is your soul.
You might have had something happen to you that's not nice,
but it might be because your soul chose that for a higher
purpose, might have been to testyou might have been to help
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other people. I mean, so many people right now
are having a lot of health challenges, some of which is to
do with clearing energy for the collective.
And that's an offering from their soul.
And so there are We can't ever judge anybody else, ever.
Yeah, yeah, You know, actually Isaid that to my kids, like, OK,
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someone was having a bad day that you interacted with at
school. You don't know what's happening
in their life. Like we never know what's
happening in that person's life.So you to be free of judgement
is a practice, but it's a reallyimportant practice because then
at least you can hold space for that person instead of thinking
they're just a bitch or horribleand they're lucky.
You just don't know what they'regoing through, you know, where
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is their mental health in that moment?
Where are they, you know? Yes, yeah.
You've got so many amazing practices on your website and
ways to tune into angels and, and unicorns and all different
beings. Are there any that you recommend
that can support these laws you just mentioned with the karmic
records going into a certain temple?
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That's an activation, I think I'm pretty sure on your website,
isn't it? You can go in not the Lords of
of karma, but you've definitely got different other Lords you
can go and. Visit There are lots and lots
and lots about the laws, about the Masters.
There are many Masters who have been to Earth who knows know our
struggles and who can step forward to help us if we ask.
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Then there are many, many angelic beings who are there to
help us, and all we have to do is ask.
If you need more courage and strength, ask Archangel Michael.
Everybody knows him and he is such a help.
And he will help to protect yourenergies and look after you.
Even simple things like being scared of going to the dentist,
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ask him to help you. And people have said to me, my
fear disappeared and I was able to relax.
You know, very simple things like that.
There's Raphael for healing. And of course, the great Angel
Mary, She's a great healer with compassion.
So there are lots of angels. And of course, I've written many
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books about angels and how they can help you.
From Angel inspiration to New Light on angels to many others.
And on the ascension path. There is so much that we can do,
but the whole basis of it is this.
And that's the basis of life. If you can understand that,
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everything is a bit of icing on the cake.
Do you get people coming to you who've read your, who have read
this book over the years and, and shared stories with you and
said, I've applied this. I mean, I know you've got people
in here, you've got stories, buthave you had, I'd love to know,
do you have more, you know, recent ones where they've come
and said, Oh my gosh, I did thisand now my life has radically
changed. Well, yes, I have stories all
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the time, but I tell you this much, if somebody comes to me
and said I've got one of your books on my bedside and it's my
Bible, I mean, I've written 34 books.
I know it's this one. Yeah, I've got to agree with
that because I just said that story in the beginning, and that
was only one, you know one. Well, there were a couple things
I sat down and journaled on right after that, but that was a
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really powerful 1. And I just thought, I'm going to
use this as a test. Like, why not?
What harm can it do? I'm only sending love and I'm
clearing the space. So it's either going to, he's
either going to receive it and I'm going to have a good outcome
or not. It's going to stay the same, you
know, and, and it was a good outcome.
Everyone should get this and start off the new year, 2026.
(36:45):
Don't even wait till the new year.
Just do it now. Apply the spiritual laws and
change your life. Seriously, there's.
So much written about manifestation but all the
basics, sorry all the basics arein here.
And you know, like look at your 36.
That kind of looks like an arm in a sense, doesn't it?
And so it's really interesting how you mention Om quite a few
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times in the book. You've got the law of meditation
in there, but also as when you're doing sending out a
blessing for your intention justto chant Om, which I, I love
because that's a mantra that I work with all the time.
But it's really beautiful. And this actually has a, you
know, a there is a sort of don'tknow if it's just the three, but
there is a sort of a the way thethe font is in the gold here
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almost looks like an Om, reminiscent of an Om.
See that? So what is it about on then?
Talk about that, just for a moment.
Well, it's a vibration, but it'sa very high frequency vibration
and it comes through the heart. And so you're sending out pure
open heart energy when you on and that then changes the
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vibration around you and that means you attract different
things to you. So is there anything else you
would like to share here that you think is really important
for for listeners to know? You can understand life, you can
change things in your life, you can change your relationships,
you can change your financial status.
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And you can do it easily, effortlessly, and with grace
when you understand how. I think it's really a very easy,
very easy read, very easy to understand and and to apply as
well. So thank you for this gift.
Thank you. Revised copy and thank you for
today. Thank you for talking to me.
Hello, Anne. Welcome.
I'm Tatiana, and you're listening to the Conscious 0
podcast, A space for exploring the wisdom that awakens the
soul. In today's episode, we'll
explore Diana Cooper's The 36 Spiritual Laws That Govern All
Life, a beautiful framework for understanding the spiritual
architecture behind our experiences.
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Each law, from the Law of Attraction to the Law of
Reflection, is a reminder that every action, thought, and
intention carries energy and meaning.
These teachings invite us to step out of resistance and into
alignment to see how life is always working with us, not
against us. So if you've been feeling called
to deepen your connection to universal wisdom, this
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conversation will help you rediscover the sacred balance
between human experience and divine design.
So join me as we explore how these 36 spiritual laws can help
us find more clarity, peace, andflow, and learn what it really
means to live in harmony with the universal energy that
connects us all. If you've enjoyed this episode,
please write a review, follow the Conscious Diva podcast on
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Instagram and YouTube and share it with friends.
And thank you so much for listening.
Thank you so much for being back.
It's really great to see you andto talk to you again about your
latest book. Yeah.
The 36 spiritual laws that govern all life.
And this is this is the 4th edition.
Is that right? That book was actually first
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written 25 years ago and it's those Evergreen ones because the
spiritual laws are immutable andthey they control our lives.
They show us how we can live on Earth, which is why it's so
exciting and so, so simple, because everything is designed
to help you move forward. Otherwise, you just think it's
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like playing a game without knowing the rules on Earth
sometimes. And yet.
And the rules are explained. You understand what's going on
and why you've created things and how you can change it and
make your life acceptable. Yeah, yeah, it's like a right.
It's like a manual. And so so I, I received in a
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tradition, sent me the book. I only got it the other day and
I, you know, was immediately reading, reading through it and
because I thought we were havingour interview this morning, not
next month. So I was like, I've got to
quickly speed read this book. But you know what was really
great about that? There were so many reminders.
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So I'm getting divorced and it'svery easy, you know, when when
you're going through something that's emotional to get stuck in
your head, get stuck in your ways about the other person.
And when I was reading and I think it was the laws of
reflection, I was going to that and I sat back and I just
suddenly went, Oh my God. OK, I'm I'm totally the way he's
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responding is reflecting the wayI'm feeling, even though I'm not
even saying it aloud to him because my whole approach I
actually left decided to I was the one who made the decision
and my decision was always, but I want to come at this from a
higher place. I want to remain friends with
you. We can move forward from a place
of compassion and love and from grace.
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But of course, over the the lastyear, you know, you, it's so
hard to stay. I found it so hard to stay in
that in that place. And it's easy to default to our
humanness and go you suck or you're a shit or whatever.
But it's. Very interesting 1 and I think
one of the harder laws to understand.
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Because. You look in a mirror and you see
a reflection and you know in life you don't try and change
what's in the mirror. You change yourself and then the
the reflection changes and it's all very well.
But when you see a bit of yourself that you don't like,
then you don't want to change that.
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It's so much easier to blame theother person.
But as you've discovered, the moment you accept, it's
reflecting something back to youabout your attitude.
And you raised another interesting point, which is
people pick up our thoughts. Don't just pick up what we're
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saying. We send them the whole energy
package and they pick up the lotand then we of course deny it.
Oh no, of course I wasn't doing that.
The reflection tells us that we were.
Well, it was so interesting because I literally like last
night, sat with it and went, I'mgoing to just, I'm going to just
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try this out. Like, why not?
I'm going to just change my attitude right now.
And I sat and I dropped into a meditation and I really thought
about deeply in my heart, took alot of breaths, just really
calmed my nervous system and satin this place of gratitude,
firstly and blessings and also just sat with, OK, he's not a
bad person. And I really need to be letting
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the these thought forms and attitudes go.
And I'm going to shift that right now.
And instead I'm going to send you love.
I'm going to send him love because I, you're not a bad
person and you know, you're the father of my children.
So there's love there. I have love for you.
I'm going to send you love and made this all work out for the
highest good of our family. And then I, and then later I
went to bed and just thought, hell, hell, that whole thing
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also denying your practices, which we'll talk about after,
which was so great. And then this morning, because
he was stalling on some things, stalling on, you know, the, the
moving forward on the divorce stuff.
And he said, Oh my God, I'm like, I really felt like you had
you were, you know, something had changed.
And I said, I just want to let you know I'm really sorry for
being for projecting and being so negative towards you.
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I really am. I don't mean to be.
And last night I sat and I really held space fast and for
you and sent you love. And he said, I really felt it
and I'm ready to move forward and I'm really ready to let like
to step into this. And I was just like, Oh my God.
So I just wanted to tell you that.
So thank you for this wonderful reminder because everyone,
anyone who's listening doesn't think this is real.
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Like it is real and, and there'sso many great things.
I. Hear it all the time.
Miracles happen constantly. As soon as we understand what
we're doing shift something, theuniverse changes.
This book has written is broken down into the four different
sections right? You've got basic laws of life,
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law of creation, laws of higher awareness, and laws of higher
frequency. So why is it broken down?
The way I was looking at it, it's almost like you're building
on each thing. So you're starting, you're
easing in, and then you're expanding to the law of oneness
at the very end. So can you just explain these
different these inner states well?
Basically for simplicity and that's why I wrote it, just to
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make people understand life so that they could change it.
And and the very basics is that we are like children and the
universe loves us in the same way as we love our children
unconditionally. We don't always like them, we
don't always like what they do, but we love them and we want the
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best for them. And as soon as they change their
attitude to us, we give them what they want, which I think is
just so extraordinary. The moment you change your
attitude to something just as you found with your husband,
then everything changes. And so it's as within, so
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without. Whatever we believe, at an inner
level, the universe rearranges itself to accommodate that
belief. And that's just so amazing to me
that if something isn't happening that I want or I think
I want, I have to look at what am I sending out there?
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What am I believing? Change that.
Send out something different andit changes.
Yes, it. Makes life into a miraculous
space. And I think the other very ASIC
law is the law of request. Ask.
If you ask, then the moment you ask for something, you're ready
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to receive it. As long as you're not groveling
or being silly about it. But when you're genuinely ready
to ask for something, then you're ready to have it in your
life and the universe brings it forward for you.
It's so simple though. As you probably know, I work a
lot with the angelic realms and the basis is ask.
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Ask your angels and they will come up with it.
They will help you. But if you don't ask, there they
are. We've got free will.
They cannot help you, waiting tohelp you.
There's always army of beings waiting to help you.
But if you don't ask, you're notgoing to get.
Yeah. And you know what's what the how
you're presenting, this is you, you've given these really simple
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breakdowns, really easy analogies that you can wrap your
head around because there's thisis not the first time that the
spiritual laws have been communicated in in a book.
And you know, they've been written about, but often they're
written about in such a way thatyou're like, wait, what do I
need to do? And I mean, for example, you in
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the law of intention, you have that beautiful image of the
Archer and like using the bow and arrow.
And really what such lays the point with focus?
Just what is it that you want tofocus on?
What the where's your intention going?
What are you aiming for? And so that was such a great
metaphor and image of, yes, thatmakes total sense of getting
cleared, I think to help people,to help readers become clear on
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how to utilize these spiritual laws in the best way for them.
So I just thought every single one that you wrote about, you
had such good examples and really simple imagery that
people can connect to that you know?
I think that's a really important one that you've
mentioned though, because if youfocus on something without doubt
or deviation, you've got that goal in mind.
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You have to get there. As long as it's for the highest
good. Now I always add that always say
if it's for the highest good or under grace, because that
ensures you do what's right. And if you're really aiming for
something and it's not for the highest good and you have said
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for the highest good, only then you stop and think, OK, I've got
something wrong. Not the universe has got
something wrong. What is it?
And you can change at that point.
So everything but everything follows A strict principle and
and is understandable as long asyou take responsibility for
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yourself and look at what's going on.
Am I projecting something? Because the law of attraction is
exact. You are a magnet.
Every person is in your life because you've drawn them in,
you've attracted them to your vibration.
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You know this. And then you think, why is that
person in my life? What have I got to learn?
Why have I attracted that personin or that situation so often?
And then you can look at it, unravel it, and attract in what
you really want by sending out adifferent energy.
Yeah. And I think there's truth also
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with the law of gratitude because that's something that we
can that often can the simple practice of saying thanks,
giving thanks can be misused andas a tool for spiritual
bypassing, which I think is can be confusing for some people.
Ben, I think that's because they're not being genuine about
it. And you've got this really
beautiful breakdown. Just explain really the
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intention of of the law of gratitude.
I think the best way of describing it is if you've got a
child and they want something and you give it to them and they
beam with genuine delight and thanks, you love them so much,
you want to give them more. I'm sure you've experienced
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that. And if they say, oh, thanks, you
don't feel appreciated and the universe is the same.
The universe is like a parent. If you say, oh, thank you, thank
you for the garden, thank you for the money that's coming in,
there's no feeling in it. There's no energy in it.
And it doesn't really count as gratitude.
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It's just something that you're saying.
Yeah, no, that for sure. And it's really different.
It's like and that comes with the law of projection.
What are you, what are you putting out there and what's
getting mirrored back to? Can you just explain this point
a little bit? Well, we all project bits of
ourselves that we don't like onto somebody else and then we
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don't like that person and we all do it.
And then but we can stop and say, OK, what am I projecting?
What belief have I got that I'm putting on to them?
And then when we look at it and we claim it for ourselves and we
can say, oh, OK, I'll change that.
And it makes it so much easier. I think for some people it's
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quite hard because it's been there.
Well, their way of defending themselves all their lives is to
put their stuff on to somebody else.
They're the baddie. And if you think anybody is a
baddie, then that's a bit of youin there.
And of course people hate that because they like to be all
noble and pure and good. No one likes to hear the truth,
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do they? Say that you that that person
may be bad, but you don't then feel that oh, I hate that
person. You just recognize what they are
without the response internally.But if you've got that response
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internally, that's what tells you that you're projecting. 100%
and it's like if you go into your local cafe or shop and the
person's always rude to you, maybe you've been rude to them
and they're just reflecting it back.
You're projecting that onto them.
You know, that's that's something I would always say to
to my center being nothing. You need to look at why they're
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being rude to you. Maybe you're being rude to them.
They're not rude to me. They always ask me how I am and
how's my day. So I was wondering next.
You wrote this 25 years ago. Did you?
Did your? Angels communicate all of the
lawsuit or was it 1 by 1 you were you were receiving this and
learning about them? I honestly can't remember, it
was a long. Time ago.
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I I suspect I was just, yeah, just receiving it from my angels
and guides and writing it as it came through to me.
And how now we're in a time where I feel like the I mean,
they're always necessary, but we're really living in times
when where we, I think everybodycan really use this manual and
it's, you know, the keys to achieving prosperity, happiness
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and well-being. But it's so much more than that.
It is so much more. It's really a manual for living
life it in the highest. Do you find yourself ever like
having that human struggle and then going, no, I'm I and then
giving yourself a check? Oh yeah, absolutely.
And every single thing I'm responsible for.
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If my life isn't exactly what I want, then I need to look inside
myself and send out something different, make a decision about
my life. And there's even the law of
prayer. I love the law of prayer.
There's so many ways of praying which aren't actually prayer
like, you know, there's the the victim.
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Oh, goats, grovelling and whining.
Oh God, please give me this. But they're a victim.
And the energy of the universe knows that if they give you what
you ask for, you're just going to go around and lose it and
just ask for more next day. And that's the greedy person who
wants more. Come on, give me more.
Give me more. And what else is there?
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There's this is bargainer. Oh, God, if you give me this,
I'll do that. Have we ever done that?
The manipulator. Yeah, the bargainer.
I'll do that. And and then there's the one
that's shooting a line and saying, OK, I'll do this with no
intention of actually following through.
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And then there's the person thatis really clear and firm and
says, OK, this is what I want. This is how I see my next step.
This is what I've done towards it.
This is what I'd like you to do.Universe, please give me the
help I need. Wow.
That's when the universe or God or whatever you want to call it
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becomes a Co creator with you and you get all the support that
you need. So how you ask is really
important and of course asking with an open heart, asking from
a genuine space. These all receive responses from
the universe. So if you're praying and you're
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not getting the response that you need, then think about the
energy that you're putting into it.
Yes, and which law was that? Because I think you were talking
about your birthright, right, Like what is your birthright
like in tuning into the energy of knowing this?
It's my birthright to do to do this or to have that and being
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and, and and accepting that so that you can really step into
your, you know, whatever it is you're supposed to be doing.
That really also struck with me.I was really like, that's really
such a good way of, of setting an intention or love the Archer
analogy too, but I just thought that's such a good way to write
to journal on and say I my birthright is this like I
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deserve that. Like it just felt, it felt
really empowering actually to write that as a mission
statement. If you believe you deserve it,
then you do and you'll get it. It's this belief, you know,
we've been brought through thousands of years of we're
miserable sinners and we don't deserve and actually we don't.
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We're amazing divine beings and we do deserve, but we've just
got to get that into our into our consciousness.
And and this is I love the law of resistance because you see it
so often. If you see a mother shouting to
her child who's in a trance state, running along the road
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skipping, don't fall over. What does the child do?
Fall over because she's receiveda message directly into her
unconscious to fall over. Because the human mind and the
universe do not accept negatives.
So it cuts out the negative. So it's saying always be
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positive. If you're making affirmations,
people say my affirmations don'twork.
They're complete rubbish. Well, actually they, they do
work if you use them correctly, if you make sure your words are
positive, that no negatives whatsoever.
People, I hear it all the time, people saying, Oh, I'm always
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saying I don't want that job. And then of course they're
saying to the universe, I want that job and they get it.
And they said, but I said I didn't want it.
They're just using negative laws.
And that does not work. So how can people use the laws
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then? Like is there a, do you
recommend starting your day withsome of the affirmations in here
or just doing a check in periodically with yourself in
the day? What?
What do you tell people? And I would say always, always
make sure everything that you say is positive.
What's your thoughts? What's your words?
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And of course, as our frequency rises, then it our thoughts
become more and more powerful and they come back to you
straight away. So be very careful what you
think. I think it's a wonderful thing
to go outside and just say, wow,thank you for another amazing
day. Today is fabulous.
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Miracles are happening, wonderful things are happening.
I'm meeting beautiful people andjust affirming what you do want
to happen in that day. It's such a powerful way to
start your day off if you want to be to get a new job today.
Thank you for my success in my job.
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And you're telling the universe it's powerful, it's positive,
and it starts your day off. And what if somebody's really in
a headspace where they're just terribly depressed and, and may
not believe because they've justhad time and time again, you
know, just terrible things happening to them?
And they come upon this book, asyou know, it's given to them
all. They're like, OK, there's
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something in this. Where could they begin?
At the beginning, that's why it's written in that order,
because it explains how the world is a game and there are
rules, and that when you follow those rules or following rules
sounds like something compulsory, but actually it's
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these are how it works. And if you understand how it
works, then you can turn that round and you can make your life
joyful, successful, abundant, positive, full of friends,
happy. Everything is possible.
And when we follow the simple rules, we just make it happen
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because the universe rearranges itself to accommodate what we
tell it. We are so powerful without
realizing it. And the person who's been
depressed and everything's gone wrong is using exactly what's in
the book against themselves, andcan therefore change it.
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I admit, I think that's really lovely advice because they're
and you do, you do spell that out, you do go through this and
it does take a lot of inner workand want to commit to oneself to
be able to shift our awareness. And, and then once you start
seeing those, those little giftsfrom the universe, you begin to
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believe and see and go, OK, thisis real.
I'm I can do this, I can do this.
And they're baby steps. You know, sometimes you're given
a bigger, you know, something else to make you, to show you,
yes, this is it, You know, believe everything that's in
here in life, in life is truly magical.
It's not, you know, I always say, I've said to my kids, I've
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got a 21 year old son as well. Like life is really magical.
It's. Fully filled with.
Magic. You've just got to believe and
feel into it, but it's sometimeshard to to convince people of
that who don't, who who aren't on that frequency.
I know, but I love it. It says in the book somewhere
that miracles are signs that you're on your right pathway.
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And so great, lovely, happy, lucky things happen.
Then you're on your pathway. Yeah.
OK. So that that's the law of
miracles. Yeah.
Just just talk about that one for a SEC.
And so a miracle takes place when your energy transcends
everything else and you're in exactly the right space to bring
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you something beyond the ordinary.
A miracle is a natural phenomenon.
It's just strange because we don't expect it.
But actually, the minute we ask or we raise our frequency and
let light flow through us, then send healing to somebody under
grace. If they receive it, it, it's a
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healing miracle, but it's not. It follows spiritual law.
Yeah, but also miracles can be really tiny things.
They don't have to be these monumental.
It's not like you, you, you someone shows up at your house
with $100,000. It's it's like, but you,
somebody might show up with yourat your house with some
chocolate for you. And you've been thinking about,
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Oh my gosh, I need to go. You know, it could be some
something so small. You know, you come in, you get
into your car, and then just there's this thing that you
hadn't you'd lost six months agoand suddenly there it is, right?
And I think it's the reframing of what a miracle might be as
well. I think we all think it's
something like a genie is going to appear out of a bottle and
grant us a wish. Absolutely.
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Everything is energy and you create that energy around you.
You change that energy and you Draw Something else in.
And if it's at a much higher frequency, you're going to term
it a miracle because you hadn't expected it.
Maybe outside the time and spacethat we normally normally have
it, it's just energy and action.The lower frequency and
(25:38):
vibration, it comes right for the law of miracles and this is
really important to explain to people because our frequency and
vibration, it really does like attracts like.
It really is, yeah. So maybe just give an example
of, you know, a bad day for somebody and if you're if
you're, you know how that could be a lower frequency and things
(25:59):
may not be great, go your way that day.
It was your story right at the beginning.
You were sending low frequency energy to your husband.
The minute you sat down, took responsibility and sent them a
him a loving energy, he changed.And that's exactly the same
thing to create a small miracle or a big miracle.
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Now Christmas is coming. It's a time when people dread
seeing all those that they choseas their comic soul mates in
life and you know, the family and they press our buttons
because we chose them because they would.
And so it's a time to look at those people and say, OK, hey,
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what am I doing? What am I sending them that is
causing them to respond in that way to me changing it?
And what I like to do is to lookinto their heart and instead of
seeing all the hurt and they read the way they're responding
because they're disillusioned with life and they don't love
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themselves and all of that. Look through all those bricks
and boulders in their heart and look at their beautiful, golden,
loving heart in the middle. And when you start seeing that,
that person changes because we have enough power very often to
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trigger that to come alive. And then they start seeing
themselves differently because you've seen it for them.
We can really, really help others to change.
Yeah, that's really beautiful. And now you mentioned karma and
so how the law of karma, what was nice in that chapter, you
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also mentioned that we're livingat this unique time where as
humans we have an ability to to relinquish in a sense our karma.
Just explain that a little bit. Well, basically every single
thing you do is written down andand recorded and so that you
have a comeback. You don't get away with anybody.
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Somebody doesn't steal somethingfrom you and get away with it.
You've got a choice. You can either get really angry
and upset about it, in which case you're taking that on and
making it worse, or you can let it go and forgive them.
Or somebody's hurt you, you can forgive them.
The minute you forgive them, then that sets you free.
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This is what people don't realize.
I'm not letting go of my anger towards that person because they
hurt me and I want them to know it and be punished.
OK well you'll both be punished then.
But the minute you say. OK.
I let it go, I set them free, then they're set free and you're
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set free. And you know, what I hadn't
heard about Karma was that it was Hells in the Akashic Records
so that you write about in that chapter.
And I didn't I've actually neverbeen even from friends of mine
that that work with it. OK, Akashic Records as a as a
healing modality. And so can you just expand on
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that a little bit? And the angels that are, are I
guess we can work with in our own practice.
Yes. Well, basically everything is
stored in a record and you can go into the record, but it is
changing. The frequency has risen so much
that the karmic records are now closing.
The Lords of Karma have been disbanded and instead of going
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into the karmic laws, we can either go into the Halls of
Amenity where everything is stored that's 5th dimensional
and above and start to look at that and clear it.
Or if it's something that we need to repay or somebody else
needs to repay goes into their own soul records and clear it
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from there. And.
Nobody ever gets away with anything and it's what we
believe that creates things. I I don't actually listen to
anything very often, But I was in the car and I put on the
radio and somebody was going on about somebody had stolen her
phone. And she was in London, somewhere
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like that, in a crowded city. And she chased him and she
screamed and she yelled. And everybody around just stood
and stared at her. And nobody helped.
And then she went into a McDonald's or something and ran
in screaming, help me, help me. And I said to my guide, well,
OK, So what happens now? And he said, OK, first of all,
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she believed that was her beliefthat she couldn't get help, that
people wouldn't help her. If she believed people would
help her, of course they would all step forward and helped her.
But that was her belief, so theydidn't help her.
She sent that out in her energy fields.
She repelled them with her energy.
And then each one of those went home and thought about it and
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learnt something from it. I said, well, what happened to
the guy that's now that's stolenher phone?
He said, oh, that is dealt with by his soul.
He will have to learn that lesson.
Repay Karma is all about learning the lesson in some form
or other because it's happened to you what you've done to
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someone else. And so his soul will now deal
with that. No, no one really ever thinks
about all the repercussions of our actions in a day, right?
How we're going to move, move forward in the world.
So that again is why this is such AI think can be really used
as a guidebook to just explain how we want to show up not just
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for others in our day, but for ourselves and all of our loved
ones because you really, it really truly is a ripple effect.
Right, like you. You just, you show up in one way
and you have a smile on your face and you greet somebody and
it might make them feel good. Then they might go out and help
somebody cross the road and thatperson felt good and then you
know, something else happened and just it, it just good things
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happen. But if you're grumpy and you go
out and you're just nasty and mean, you might have a car
accident, may not be a serious one, but you might, you know,
somebody might kill your car because you made a bad face with
them. They've watched you go back to
the parking lot. It's so easy to blame yourself
and blame somebody else and say,oh, they must have done
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something bad for that to happen.
There is also something else involved and that is your soul.
You might have had something happen to you that's not nice,
but it might be because your soul chose that for a higher
purpose, might have been to testyou might have been to help
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other people. I mean, so many people right now
are having a lot of health challenges, some of which is to
do with clearing energy for the collective.
And that's an offering from their soul.
And so there are We can't ever judge anybody else, ever.
Yeah, yeah, You know, actually Isaid that to my kids, like, OK,
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someone was having a bad day that you interacted with at
school. You don't know what's happening
in their life. Like we never know what's
happening in that person's life.So you to be free of judgement
is a practice, but it's a reallyimportant practice because then
at least you can hold space for that person instead of thinking
they're just a bitch or horribleand they're lucky.
You just don't know what they'regoing through, you know, where
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is their mental health in that moment?
Where are they, you know? Yes, yeah.
You've got so many amazing practices on your website and
ways to tune into angels and, and unicorns and all different
beings. Are there any that you recommend
that can support these laws you just mentioned with the karmic
records going into a certain temple?
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That's an activation, I think I'm pretty sure on your website,
isn't it? You can go in not the Lords of
of karma, but you've definitely got different other Lords you
can go and. Visit There are lots and lots
and lots about the laws, about the Masters.
There are many Masters who have been to Earth who knows know our
struggles and who can step forward to help us if we ask.
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Then there are many, many angelic beings who are there to
help us, and all we have to do is ask.
If you need more courage and strength, ask Archangel Michael.
Everybody knows him and he is such a help.
And he will help to protect yourenergies and look after you.
Even simple things like being scared of going to the dentist,
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ask him to help you. And people have said to me, my
fear disappeared and I was able to relax.
You know, very simple things like that.
There's Raphael for healing. And of course, the great Angel
Mary, She's a great healer with compassion.
So there are lots of angels. And of course, I've written many
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books about angels and how they can help you.
From Angel inspiration to New Light on angels to many others.
And on the ascension path. There is so much that we can do,
but the whole basis of it is this.
And that's the basis of life. If you can understand that,
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everything is a bit of icing on the cake.
Do you get people coming to you who've read your, who have read
this book over the years and, and shared stories with you and
said, I've applied this. I mean, I know you've got people
in here, you've got stories, buthave you had, I'd love to know,
do you have more, you know, recent ones where they've come
and said, Oh my gosh, I did thisand now my life has radically
changed. Well, yes, I have stories all
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the time, but I tell you this much, if somebody comes to me
and said I've got one of your books on my bedside and it's my
Bible, I mean, I've written 34 books.
I know it's this one. Yeah, I've got to agree with
that because I just said that story in the beginning, and that
was only one, you know one. Well, there were a couple things
I sat down and journaled on right after that, but that was a
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really powerful 1. And I just thought, I'm going to
use this as a test. Like, why not?
What harm can it do? I'm only sending love and I'm
clearing the space. So it's either going to, he's
either going to receive it and I'm going to have a good outcome
or not. It's going to stay the same, you
know, and, and it was a good outcome.
Everyone should get this and start off the new year, 2026.
(36:45):
Don't even wait till the new year.
Just do it now. Apply the spiritual laws and
change your life. Seriously, there's.
So much written about manifestation but all the
basics, sorry all the basics arein here.
And you know, like look at your 36.
That kind of looks like an arm in a sense, doesn't it?
And so it's really interesting how you mention Om quite a few
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times in the book. You've got the law of meditation
in there, but also as when you're doing sending out a
blessing for your intention justto chant Om, which I, I love
because that's a mantra that I work with all the time.
But it's really beautiful. And this actually has a, you
know, a there is a sort of don'tknow if it's just the three, but
there is a sort of a the way thethe font is in the gold here
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almost looks like an Om, reminiscent of an Om.
See that? So what is it about on then?
Talk about that, just for a moment.
Well, it's a vibration, but it'sa very high frequency vibration
and it comes through the heart. And so you're sending out pure
open heart energy when you on and that then changes the
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vibration around you and that means you attract different
things to you. So is there anything else you
would like to share here that you think is really important
for for listeners to know? You can understand life, you can
change things in your life, you can change your relationships,
you can change your financial status.
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And you can do it easily, effortlessly, and with grace
when you understand how. I think it's really a very easy,
very easy read, very easy to understand and and to apply as
well. So thank you for this gift.
Thank you. Revised copy and thank you for
today. Thank you for talking to me.
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